@@105Strike105 Ah the system to trick idiots to do free labour. Where people bank points and new members can never catch up, as "priority" loot goes to whoever has the highest. Don't forget the "free" points leaders and officers get. The loot system being individual (before it forced loot option.. Horrible) was a blessing with strangers in pugs and shit guilds. And than they wonder "jeez, why won't anyone join our guild? It is just that they can't roll on anything and we 100 points ahead of them, so we can just "minbid" everything". No Gdkp was trash; it was made to trick gullible fools to "Show up" so the "most dedicated" would get all the loot; it was a system to get enough "goons" to fill the 40-man slot. It is as good as any "membership reward card" system with the same allure to make you feel good for at least getting some "points". Or you could just be a proper guild that can just use "roll", and if someone got loot twice, gentleman agreement that they can be asked to give it to someone that got nothing (Spoiler: this is how you filter out the "rats". If they would pass up loot when they already got some for someone else, that is the guy you want in your main raid group. They respect people and are not being a selfish rat)
@@105Strike105 the concept of GDKPs is so fucking dogshit unless you're either buy gold or actively farm it. If you only raid-log on one toon finding a good soft-res pug in your server is literally superior in every way plus doesn't promote RMT. I'd rather lose my item to unlucky rolls than to some cunt who pay2wins a 20 year old game.
@@105Strike105 GDKP exposes a few things with these toxic casual boomerdad/classic andy redditors type (and they're intrinsically linked). One is that they hardcore seethe about a system that directly incorporate accountability into what you get out of it, and the other is that they still idolized raid gear/loot as the be all end all reward of raiding, which is why they hardcore seethe about the "goldbuying oiler" boogieman buying all of their BIS loots. They miss the "good old days" where they can mooch from the people that put in the work and get fed their trophies off the luck of the draw, and forcing accountabilities and expecting basic performance level is """optimizing the fun out of the game""""". The goldbuying oiler boogieman also is a reflection of their work ethic, they can't envision having gold without buying, because obviously how much they have is the standard for all players (playing the AH is also for sweats).
Guild drama is the most nostalgic part of WoW for me. No matter how much wow changes, I always love to see that there’s still people that rage at this game, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I’m glad you were able to find a new guild asap and I hope that guild is 1000% better and more chill than what you went through.
all video games have these people it is not exclusive to wow, but it is heavy in MMOs as these people are trapped in escapism and addictive behavior. they are almost always enabled by family members and likely abusive towards those enablers. you can tell this by how they handle any conflict at all in the game world. it is exponentially worse in their real life
@Ruintek Nah, it is ESPECIALLY the case for WoW, any game that is the biggest in their genre is going to attract the biggest no life, no skill losers.
It's not so bad. I used to play EVE Online like 10 years ago and it was 100x worse than what's described in this video. The "control freak" mentality was turned up to an 11. They justify it with the fact that PVP losses in EVE are permanent, but there are no stakes high enough in a video game to justify that kind of behavior.
In my guild in 2020 Classic Era, our GM was absolutely hammered during every raid. Our loot system was entirely GM-led, who would decide based on ?? who deserved each piece of loot. The decisions became more unpredictable the more drunk he became. Typically raids ended with him crying hysterically about people's criticisms. At the end of the night it was a race to leave the Discord ASAP so's not to be the last one on channel with him and get ensnared in his gin-drunk hysterical tyrades. It was a wonderful time and I'd do it again.
as someone that only cries when drunk, that guy needed help, unfortunate that he was the gm because that probably made it impossible for anyone to help him for fear of being kicked.
I joined back in légion my formerly top 10-50 guild in the World with the guys from past eras just doing chill heroic raiding. Half the raid was stoned/drunk including me, it was very chill and no drama. Turns out it matters much more who IS doing it, than the action of doing it. Of course this Is a group of former hardcore players that are actually good AT the game.
Hearing you talk about the interpersonal drama and shockingly low levels of social aptitude from middle aged people reminded me of my first major guild experience way back in WotLK. It was a guild called Dark Resurrection on the Trollbane server and the entire officer crew was entirely made up of early 40's to 50's people. I remember one officer would often throw temper tantrums in guild chat that not enough people responded to her and nobody was ever happy to see her log on, and one day began randomly kicking people, including raiders, during one such tantrum. She absolutely hated someone that became a close friend of mine in the guild because she was a straight up better healer than her. In this same guild we also had a 50 year old woman leave her husband to move in with another guild member in his late 20's, and another pair of people in their 40's leave their respective partners to also hook up. One lady was way too willing to discuss fetish stuff openly in the guild chat (often talked about how much she loved being flogged, she was in her 50's btw) The guild leader quit because he got bored of the game and left the guild to his wife, who was even more incompetent than he was. I remember trying to do ToC, and just strafing to avoid the yeti charging and one shotting you was more mechanics than any of the officers were capable of. The close friends I had made in that guild, most of whom I'm still very close with today and who were the only fairly competent raiders all gave notices to the GM's wife that we had decided to move on but would leave our alts and still be willing to help out with the raids if they needed us, but the next day I logged on and another friend still in the guild told me she had logged on that morning and saw our mails and that we had left and had a meltdown on Ventrilo and kicked our alts and anyone she even thought was friends with any of us. Again, this was a lady well into adulthood. But like you said, at least we still have the friends we were able to make back then, and it's always fun to reminisce about these super odd microcosms of mid-life crisis condensed into an MMO!
@@Arkain89 Because observing maladjusted manchildren throwing temper tantrums surprises no one. The social expectation is that women will be more responsible, it's a double standard, get with the program.
my experience with "leveling and PvP" guilds is that the majority of them are just a cult of personality around the officers, they are like a high school lunch room, filled with drama, and cliques. the RL/GM you talk about in this video, every one of these guilds has one, and most of the time they have some kind of substance abuse problem, and think the louder they talk the more right they are
that and they always bring of politics out of nowhere, so cringe like we can't just play the game and talk mechanics without getting pissed at real life
This shit is horrible in Retail. If I don’t join a guild I get harassed in the middle of a M+ or a raid with constant auto invites in the middle of the fucking screen you have to manually exit out of. Shits stupid.
Bro. The detail of dropping the "hey i kinda sperged re: discord" disclaimer and time skip... idk how to quite word this. But it is just a brilliant and "care about my audience" move. I see you.
If this was retail mythic raiding I'd say healer prep is decent to go over damage events, assigning cooldown timings in the spreadsheet, things like that. But this is a level 45 leveling dungeon ffs 💀
@@RansomtheRich They all just give up and say "It's a pre-made". Then give up. Then a few are like FU loser, we're fighting. This is every fkin BG I was in. Then the entire BG you are told what a moron you all are and how pathetic you are, even if you are winning. Then when you tell these pieces of shit to stfu they report you from multiple accounts and then your account is banned. Yea, done. I couldn't fkin run from this game fast enough. It is the definition of Cancer. Such a shame, the game is awesome but the community is such shit.
it really attracts the worst in the playerbase for a number of reasons. were it not for a solid core of friends from SoM/wrath forming my guild i would have quit ages ago
Every guild discord is made expecting to get the same activity as a trending reddit thread. 99.99% of them are just pure silence except for raid signup and a ruleset posted 3 years ago.
When I got 80 in Wrath Classic I wanted to raid, so I whispered the 3rd guild ad in trade chat. Somehow this turned out to be one of the best guilds i've ever randomly joined. Small group of IRL friends mixed with their longtime online buddies and a few randoms like me. They raided twice a week, were chill, and actually prioritized giving gear to members that needed it. I was the only Ret pally so I got beefy within a few weeks. Raids went super smooth as the GM and the officers were absolute pumpers. We went all the way to Ulduar 25 man, cleared it a few times, then the guild just died overnight. Not even upset, it was the best feverdream of a guild ive had since OG Wrath days.
You know. I do this for fun. My main is a warlock, but I have a pally, rogue, and priest alt all in different guilds purely to watch bad players be bad because it’s fun. You’re not wrong tho. The higher skill players are usually silent. Always, leveling, raiding, farming, silent. It’s the bad ones that talk themselves up
I do the same exact thing on Era. I love pugging runs because of the insane and hilarious shit that hppens. The degen runs almost always provide content.
This is just like every guild in my experience ever since release in '04. The vast majority of guilds call themselves 'casual' and the officers/leaders all know each other previously, have a bunch of inside jokes and conversations, don't take anyone else who wants to be a bigger part of the guild seriously and everything is taken as a personal attack no matter how obviously playful or concerning. There is always one or two of the leaders/officers who are proficient at the game and everyone has to ignore the obvious fact that the loudest and most disrespectful in the raid/guild is the worst player there. Sounds pretty par for the course. Wish I had documented some of my experiences, they were a lot of fun and have a lot of crazy dramas and stories to come out of them.
17:30 this is unbelievably common I have watched housewives literally destroy there marriage over online young dudes.....some even underage wow is a bastion for disgruntled housewives/unhappy husbands.
I know that guild, it's Warcraft Inc - WildGrowth. Pyro is an Officier in that guild, and he is an elitist without the parse numbers. I left that guild since that guy was toxic to new guildies. And the GM thing is true too. The gm has a temper. He can be cool with you, but if you mess up a raid mechanic that gm will sht talk you down infront of everyone. He will make you feel stupid. But Pyro makes the guild look bad. Someone needs to tell him to humble himself with new guildies, and work on his parses. I was in the guild before, but left. If you are a legit raider, then don't raid with these guys. Too much politics, and favortism in that guild.
I started doing classic with a leveling guild that wanted to transition to a raiding guild, but I knew it was doomed simply because I was literally the only tank in the guild. Any dungeon that the guild wanted to do as a full guild run, I HAD to be there. I wanted to DPS but I knew in the first few weeks, tanks would be hard to come by and I was promised we would get replacements so I could DPS. We recruit another Warrior and I thought the weight on my shoulders would be over, I would actually be able to take breaks without the guild dying, but no, he promised he would tank but resigned himself for DPS. And even if he did tank, he refused to make a tank set and was also just really really bad. I eventually just burned out because I felt like I had to live in the game to get anything going. I had the classic blunder of being too competent at a role I was just filling for and got stuck. Not to mention, the GM wanted to bring back DKP, make DKP charts for random fill ins, and no matter how many times we protested, he refused to budge from this. And no, he himself didn't want to manage it with no volunteers.
Great video! Was a fun watch from the pov of someone that has similarly been through the experience of joining a leveling guild that scrambled to become a raiding guild once enough people hit max level.
Hahahahaha I was in this guild!! Warcraft Inc on Wild Growth. Did one sunken temple with them and holy shit it was a shit show. Got the hell out of dodge.
I played SOD during Phase 1 as Rogue and got to max level and started raiding BFD. I missed the first two wipes when the raid opened, but I got put into a raid group that had already cleared the raid in the week prior. I'm a previous mythic raider in retail and the mechanics and raid were pretty easy, I had watched videos but was seeing the mechanics for the first time so first kill was to learn for me. But the raid was already on farm status and everyone just came to parse on the fights and get loot. I was one of two "Kicks" (spell interrupts) for the Kelris fight. My raid leader was a priest who could cleanse the Shadowy Chains debuff but wipe after wipe if there was a missed kick for whatever reason he would get really upset during the fight and flip out at me and would pull me into a private channel in discord after the fight to discuss it. He would demand Mind Blasts get kicked but also would rage if shadowy chains was missed. If the boss got moved and I would get sent into Kelris' phase 1 dream realm sleep phase thing, I wouldn't be able to kick chains, but our other interrupt would, but sometimes they would miss it since its a fast cast. Sometimes I was just coming out of the dream phase and had to sprint over and would barely miss it. Either way, raid and fights were easy and we had it farmed. I had to pull up warcraft logs and show him everyone else's mistakes or other issues that caused missed kicks - but it really wasnt a big deal at all, it was an easy fight/raid. He was simply mad that he had to cleanse instead of heal for MUH PARSE. I played a little of phase 2 but didn't even attempt to raid with them, and got burned out when I realized my choice was raid with people like that or do the insanely poorly designed, laggy pvp event in STV. I quit.
God this is so relatable man. It’s not just leveling guilds. It’s a huge portion of WoW guilds across all versions of the game. My friend and I tried to run a casual heroic guild during Dragonflight and we had all these crazy personality types. Managing people’s absolute BS was so hard.
Yea, that's one thing that nobody ever talks about when it comes to WoW, the creepy, thirsty af older/married women who go out of their way to treat WoW like it's E-Harmony.
WoW has always had a lot of ego attached. If it wasn't your gear it was your build, class choice, what mount you have, to how much time you have to play. Every guild experience I had in that game was negative, after a while I stopped joining them in any MMO.
leveling guilds are exclusively useful for expansions with guild bonuses like in cata or mop mass ress, less rep costs, more xp, rep, mount speed and more before you leave for a raiding guild i cant comprehend why anyone would ever join these guilds for any other reason
I stopped playing SOD in phase 3. I joined a knowledgeable, friendly, “helpful” guild. Most officers knew each other. It was fun at first, until bfd raid started. They needed raiders. Well I could never get help leveling when needed. Even when playing a class I didn’t want to but the guild needed one for the raid group. “I’m a team player I’ll do that for you.” Eventually someone came along and took my spot because I couldn’t level fast enough( playing 2-3hrs/day maybe. I could have just left the guild but I was so burnt out trying to keep up with them. I just stopped completely which sucks because it was a ton of fun with all the new content being added.
I joined a mythic raid in remix a couple of weeks ago. Then all of a sudden I am raid leader and the original one left the group. People are asking me for invites ect. It was not untill after the 1st boss that I got some one attention in chat that I knew nothing about leading a raid ect.. they showed me how to hand it off to them and the rest goes smoothly because we are so over powered in remix. I only raided a few times in the last 20 years. I have seen guilds come and go and watch some implode and break up as a marriage fell apart in real life. Years ago I had some people be toxic so I have been uneasy doing raids ect. I do plan to raid in the next expansion because remix has given me some hope lol.
You touched on something I find very disturbing. I think back to my growth and maturation from when I first started playing online games (including WoW) 20+ years ago to now and assume that since the games I play have an older playerbase now, most people will have experienced some level of maturation as well. Yet these communities seem to be just as toxic as they used to be, perhaps even more. Unfathomable to me how that is, unless it’s a perception phenomenon and not actual reality. Either way, still disheartening how awful people in their 30s and older somehow are in an old ass game.
Not sure why but this vid made me a bit nostalgic to go visit and be a voyeur in the degeneracy that is SOD leveling guilds on some alts lol. It’s fun to be an OT and just have a laugh once in awhile.
Oh man, I left my era guild because they have everything on HR and it’s hard to get gear. I asked them to reconsider this because it reduces motivation to guild raid as pugs usually don’t have so many HRs. They ridiculed me in the next raid. I told them I was leaving, thinking I’d be better off pugging. They got angry and kicked me from the discord server
Casual guilds are the worst. I played in almost all top 10 french guilds on retail, only 1 or 2 have actually a toxic athmosphere. On SoD I was casual, all fucking guilds were super toxic while being very bad at the game. That made me quit SoD.
If you think this is bad, you should see this raid scene in Tarisland, these Mofos literally run a single boss battle and it call it a raid, blow up over a single missed mechanic.. It really is worth your time if you find shit like this interesting.
Ugh man- That Discord gave me a damn migraine lmao. Even if it wasn’t Discord the STATE of that server was all I needed to see to know how fucked the guild was lmao
I relate to this entirely, even though I play on EU servers. Also the weird parent in the second guild... except it was a father of kids and me being in my early 20s as a female RL. Made me so uncomfortable the entire time until I yelled at him one day to shut up and play the game and go back to his wife. Add the weirdo incels who'd hate on me and the guild for having a woman in leadership, and the desperate men who thought hitting on me would do something, even though my boyfriend was also on the raid team? Needless to say, after kicking and recruiting more people who'd end up being weird, I said goodbye to the guild, thanked the GM and officers for the good moments and achieving what we did, and quit SoD.
Just out of curiosity, was the people being weird to you happening in dm's or over voice? Just wondering because almost every raiding guild i've been in had women actively raiding, oftentimes also officers and once had a woman raidleader, never noticed anything you're describing
Almost pugged an ST run on my priest with this guild. Dipped since the raid lead was screaming about consumes before the raid even started, when he didn’t even have a single world buff
This is why you avoid the mass invite guilds like the plague. There are casual levelling guilds that are worth joining but they're usually not using the mass invite addons. Mine was a lot of fun but sadly will likely be closing its own doors in the next few days as people's interests move on and we can't maintain the numbers for 20 player raiding. We certainly never had the kinds of problems you've displayed though. It's completely unnecessary to behave the way these people did.
Honestly as a 26 year old thats about to have to work 2 weeks without more than 24 hours between 8 10 hour shifts....I can't imagine letting anyone shout at me or berate me for a shiny item. Period. Like I get people make mistakes, and raids can be pressure cookers. But singling people out and attacking them does NOT make them get better at the game, but dig in their heels and REFUSE to listen. It's always better to pull them to the side, politely discuss the issue and how to best help them clear the hurdle. Treat a person like a person, giving them the chance to grow instead of public shaming for mistakes in a video game. Tell me I'm wrong.
@jimmyrusselluher1225 Nah. Just someone with enough raid experience to know what does and doesn't work. And how I'll let some netboi treat me over a video game. Too many raid guilds out there to be loyal to those that ain't loyal to you.
Lmao nothing is more annoying in retail than doing a M+ or a raid on a guildless alt only to be met with guild auto invite spams in the middle of a boss.
I saw recruit spam for this guild a few weeks ago and instantly clocked them as toxic based only on the name. There’s a zero percent chance a guild called is filled with anything other than overgrown 13 year olds
On tbc classic i took the terrible decision to accept one of those invites, the guild leader was the most toxic and unstable person i've met in the game . One day he was telling how good i played my char, the next day he was flaming me while in raid discord as he though i wasn't hearing, not just gaming but personal stuff Then he asked me for 1000 gold, a month later i got nothing back, asked him months later and he even argued that i did not need the money back since i was not playing so much anymore. Months later i noticed I was removed from battle net friends list by him and i never knew more about him, though i still keep a couple of guys i met there, all of us saw from the beginning the type of person he was. I recognize i was just waiting to see it all burn as no one stayed in the guild for more than a week. So in case you are trapped in a similar situation all you got to do is pay the ransom
I joined a mass invite leveling guild on cata classic purely because of the name and perks. I'm still in it for the name and it's nice to interact with the same folks everyday in guild chat. But one of the main things is keeping up with their attempts to become a real raid guild. Pretty similar to your story, I did one raid with them and quickly realized it wasn't my speed. But it's nice to watch them try to put together a raid team and kill bosses. A lot of the original officers gquit after their first raid attempt for god knows what reason. A boomer prot warrior who was pissed about not making the 'main' raid team stepped up and created a scheduled run that is now the main guild run. It is always perplexing to me that folks don't realize what kind of guild they are joining. If you're getting randomly invited and you see people constantly joining and leaving it's pretty apparent what kind of guild it's going to be. Nevertheless the folks who stuck around are persisting and killing bosses so good on em. I'll keep the name on my character and observe those crazy bastards.
did that absolute madman actually parse ZERO on two encounters? thats actually impressive. i so feel the "pump harder". bro im playing a dps class that has a grand total of zero dps cds, ill just hammer my keys extra hard for more dps now thx
I played wow from around 2008 ~ 2011, late Wrath we'd managed to form our own guild off the back of a guild I'd joined specifically to help get started on raiding and build some connections - we only got started because they imploded out of no-where one morning and every logged in that day to find themselves guild-less. Sent out invites to everyone I knew who'd been chucked and we started doing 10-Man content, we were pretty trash but was some wholesome ass times, still in regular contact with at least a couple of them but we were not ready at all for early Cata raiding and just stone walled every week, zero progress so it all eventually fizzled out. Been a GW2 player since launch in 2012 and never looked back.
Idk about anyone else but in wotlk classic discord and obsession was heavy . I was theory crafting 24/7 and listening to guides at work I was living the game. All those prep channels and teams made sense to me idk. We planned everything out and we’re always talking. I wish I didn’t stop playing we were blasting ulda faster than anyone else and then my dad died . Sometimes you don’t realize how good it is
guild drama as a child always entertained me and now im in my early 20's playing era and its still just as entertaining grown adults like 30+ with kids and wives crying in g chat is hilarious
Just started my own guild on classic era firemaw horde, and these kinds of guilds are exactly the ones I’m being very careful to avoid making, just said ‘no hierarchy, if you got shit with someone else, handle it in dms or fuckin leave’, and boom everyone is nice to each other and we can get along. We plan to raid, but as casually as it gets, because from personal experience with semi-hc raiding and guilds like the one in the video, I can say quite confidently I never wanna go there again
My guild fell apart in season 2 of dragon flight because the guild leader was obsessed with causing drama for no reason. First and last serious raiding guild I’ll ever join.
In my experience it's always the "casual" guilds that act elitist. Usually it's one loudmouth who gets into being an officer and then starts pushing everybody more hardcore, almost always destroying the guild as it pushes away people who don't want to be hardcore.
This makes me so glad I found an actually casual guild to raid with in vanilla classic, sure, some nights you don't fully clear ZG and sometimes a mage or a warlock takes your +healing items but it was a small price to pay for chill dudes and dudettes
Still watching the video, but at 9:40, I think the PvP sign ups are probably just trying to lightly rank up. It's been a long time since I've played SoD I admit (Quit the week before p2 and went back to FFXIV) but one thing I do remember was it has the new Vanilla honor system (can't derank without a DK) and a similar server I play that does a system like that where you can't unrank by decay sees that with some of the uber casual guilds. They just kind of group up with a handful and play BGs. They aren't good nor are they better than a pug, but the social atmosphere and semi-coordination giving an advantage nonetheless makes it more tolerable for players that don't like recreationally doing PvP to begin with and does end up being a pretty decent gear avenue for casuals given how good rank 14 gear is for melee and a lot of classes really when it comes to PvE. SoD could completely change that, I've not really been paying attention to it since I've stopped playing but if the PvP gear is as good as it is in Vanilla comparatively and not just powercrept out of relevance entirely then that's probably what this is. When you remove the decay system and don't require no lifing the game for 3 solid months to get gear that in most cases is relevant into AQ40 and still really good for Naxx prog, a lot of casuals go that route because while stupid when it comes to the game, they perfectly understand how "a couple of hours a week with some friends gets me gear that makes me curbstomp all relevant PvE to me" is a very worthwhile investment. We had a crisis of this in TBC that is funnily hardly ever talked about. When guilds were still taking months to get through tier 4 there were a lot of players who made 5s teams, trashed 10 games then coasted for arena points then just pennied their way to having weapons comparable to weapons they weren't good enough as a guild to get by killing the bosses in order to trivialize said bosses giving them trouble. The term at the time was "Welfare Epics" and it was an ongoing mess of the PvE vs PvP mentalities back when these were becoming less of things everybody indulged and more of "this is a separate endgame entirely" complete with its associated tribalism. PvE players would point at PvP gear and say it was too easy to earn therefore not a real epic item. PvP players in turn would point at every trivial boss by 2007-2008 standards in a tier like Lurker Below Difficulty and Loot Reaver, Supremus, etc and say "Lol this is such an easy fight, how do you think your items take more skill to get than mine?" This ultimately culminated in personal requirements on gear, namely the weapons but then was adjusted to be on every piece of gear except gloves during season 4 because players were just hitting cap, doing bgs for their season 1 set then rushing off into tier 5 while they casually did arenas for higher tier pvp gear. Removing attunements ultimately was the bigger problem at play here and would have stopped it in its tracks... but Blizzard removed attunements when we got season 2, and the honor gear was still garbage blues at the time so nobody would've really seen this problem coming. It was a bunch of bad decisions adding up that kind of forever really drove in the growing divide of PVE and PVP progression and that the days of enjoying both in Vanilla that enchanted a lot of us were swiftly coming to a close. Random tangent within a random tangent, when Blizzard removed attunements, a lot of guilds ended up disbanding across servers. Not because of protest, but because they gaslit themselves into thinking Magtheridon is just overtuned so they skipped tier 4 to go right into tier 5, Lurker was an easy fight, they saw it in videos so surely the rest are easy too... Then tanks get curbstomped because Hydross requires resist gear, guilds struggling with Maulgar having 5 targets are once again struggling coordinating on Fathom Lord where it's now even harder despite also being a pretty simple boss... Oh, and in a brilliant feat of scientific discovery they were the ones to discover months later that it was actually possible to wipe on Void Reaver. So it became a pretty common running gag with diehard PvP only players to mock the guilds that only ever seemed to do the free bosses in tier 5 and mysteriously couldn't enter Black Temple until 2.4 removed its attunement, or to roast people that tried to defend these bosses as being hard because their guild struggles with them. If you play retail, it's the equivalent to the reddit Mythic Raider that only has kills on the first two or three bosses on week 8 but tells everyone about how easy anything below Mythic is. That being said, if you have something that's even more low effort than semi afking BGs like Naxxramas Trash farm then they tend to chase the weapons from there instead because it's much lower investment. Like every casual rogue and warrior would be wielding a servo arm and harbinger of doom (epic offhand dagger) while rocking questing greens level of tomfuckery then that epic 40 str chestpiece.
Honestly while people expect theres lots of elitism / putting people down in "serious" raiding guilds, from my experience of being in server 1st / sweaty parsing guides and more casual guilds, most of the time the "tryhard" guides are more respectful, relaxed and less bitchy. People perform a lot better and are willing to put in more effort when they arent walking on eggshells expecting they will get their heads bitten off for a mistake. Atmosphere goes a long way in raid performance. The problem is usually the best officers / GMs are people who dont even want to do those roles as they dont get a power / ego trip from being in those positions. you can tell the GM in this vid was one with a superiority complex 😬
Honestly if you "cant find" a guild just run as a fill up for guilds. If you play well you usually get invited to the guild if you are something they are missing. Like people said its ass to get raid spots with different classes while i often get guild invites after just one raid. Its just up to how prepared you are, how you perform and how well you fit into the group.
Weirdest guild I was in was ran by a married couple with kids. One of the officers got with the guild leaders wife, I always wondered why the officer was online all hours in the day lol.
Just to clarify, this video isn't talking about Hog Crankers or Sinners Domain, I purposely left the guild name out of the video as much as I could
What did you expect, joining guilds with those names?
@@Edvanhealen😂
I was in hog crankers in WOTLK they are pretty decent players. So I figured it wasn’t about them. 😂
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Once you joined a guild and start raiding or doing anything that drops loot. You realize why there's war in the world
That's why gdkp was best. Gear drops and everyone is like it's all yours bro take it
@@105Strike105 Then we realize why capitalism exists too. WoW, explaining world since 2004
@@105Strike105 Ah the system to trick idiots to do free labour. Where people bank points and new members can never catch up, as "priority" loot goes to whoever has the highest. Don't forget the "free" points leaders and officers get. The loot system being individual (before it forced loot option.. Horrible) was a blessing with strangers in pugs and shit guilds. And than they wonder "jeez, why won't anyone join our guild? It is just that they can't roll on anything and we 100 points ahead of them, so we can just "minbid" everything". No Gdkp was trash; it was made to trick gullible fools to "Show up" so the "most dedicated" would get all the loot; it was a system to get enough "goons" to fill the 40-man slot. It is as good as any "membership reward card" system with the same allure to make you feel good for at least getting some "points".
Or you could just be a proper guild that can just use "roll", and if someone got loot twice, gentleman agreement that they can be asked to give it to someone that got nothing (Spoiler: this is how you filter out the "rats". If they would pass up loot when they already got some for someone else, that is the guy you want in your main raid group. They respect people and are not being a selfish rat)
@@105Strike105 the concept of GDKPs is so fucking dogshit unless you're either buy gold or actively farm it. If you only raid-log on one toon finding a good soft-res pug in your server is literally superior in every way plus doesn't promote RMT. I'd rather lose my item to unlucky rolls than to some cunt who pay2wins a 20 year old game.
@@105Strike105 GDKP exposes a few things with these toxic casual boomerdad/classic andy redditors type (and they're intrinsically linked). One is that they hardcore seethe about a system that directly incorporate accountability into what you get out of it, and the other is that they still idolized raid gear/loot as the be all end all reward of raiding, which is why they hardcore seethe about the "goldbuying oiler" boogieman buying all of their BIS loots. They miss the "good old days" where they can mooch from the people that put in the work and get fed their trophies off the luck of the draw, and forcing accountabilities and expecting basic performance level is """optimizing the fun out of the game""""". The goldbuying oiler boogieman also is a reflection of their work ethic, they can't envision having gold without buying, because obviously how much they have is the standard for all players (playing the AH is also for sweats).
Guild drama is the most nostalgic part of WoW for me. No matter how much wow changes, I always love to see that there’s still people that rage at this game, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
I’m glad you were able to find a new guild asap and I hope that guild is 1000% better and more chill than what you went through.
Yeah I personally love it. It's not like any of the drama matters, they're just people on the world wide web who I'll never meet
Last guild i was in reminded me why I don't do guilds anymore. Tl;dr, the guild leader turned out to be a total creep.
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We bout to sleep good 🤌😴
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@@shabadabadabada5133this dude needs subway surfers in the background to watch shorts.
@@shabadabadabada5133 3 inches is MASSIVELY long.
Madseasonbros rise up
@@shabadabadabada5133 enough to fall asleep to.
Many wow players are the biggest adults losers I have ever come across
dota 2 players too xd imagen playing game half of your life and never improve yourself xD
all video games have these people it is not exclusive to wow, but it is heavy in MMOs as these people are trapped in escapism and addictive behavior. they are almost always enabled by family members and likely abusive towards those enablers. you can tell this by how they handle any conflict at all in the game world. it is exponentially worse in their real life
@Ruintek Nah, it is ESPECIALLY the case for WoW, any game that is the biggest in their genre is going to attract the biggest no life, no skill losers.
Just wait until you find out about second life or FFXIV.
It's not so bad. I used to play EVE Online like 10 years ago and it was 100x worse than what's described in this video. The "control freak" mentality was turned up to an 11. They justify it with the fact that PVP losses in EVE are permanent, but there are no stakes high enough in a video game to justify that kind of behavior.
In my guild in 2020 Classic Era, our GM was absolutely hammered during every raid. Our loot system was entirely GM-led, who would decide based on ?? who deserved each piece of loot. The decisions became more unpredictable the more drunk he became.
Typically raids ended with him crying hysterically about people's criticisms. At the end of the night it was a race to leave the Discord ASAP so's not to be the last one on channel with him and get ensnared in his gin-drunk hysterical tyrades.
It was a wonderful time and I'd do it again.
as someone that only cries when drunk, that guy needed help, unfortunate that he was the gm because that probably made it impossible for anyone to help him for fear of being kicked.
@@eatme123-g8y Valid point. I did encourage him to seek help, which I believe he did in the end (redacted that from the story).
I used to be this type of guy like 4 years ago, hope he's doing better now.
I joined back in légion my formerly top 10-50 guild in the World with the guys from past eras just doing chill heroic raiding. Half the raid was stoned/drunk including me, it was very chill and no drama. Turns out it matters much more who IS doing it, than the action of doing it. Of course this Is a group of former hardcore players that are actually good AT the game.
sounds fun
Hearing you talk about the interpersonal drama and shockingly low levels of social aptitude from middle aged people reminded me of my first major guild experience way back in WotLK. It was a guild called Dark Resurrection on the Trollbane server and the entire officer crew was entirely made up of early 40's to 50's people. I remember one officer would often throw temper tantrums in guild chat that not enough people responded to her and nobody was ever happy to see her log on, and one day began randomly kicking people, including raiders, during one such tantrum. She absolutely hated someone that became a close friend of mine in the guild because she was a straight up better healer than her. In this same guild we also had a 50 year old woman leave her husband to move in with another guild member in his late 20's, and another pair of people in their 40's leave their respective partners to also hook up. One lady was way too willing to discuss fetish stuff openly in the guild chat (often talked about how much she loved being flogged, she was in her 50's btw) The guild leader quit because he got bored of the game and left the guild to his wife, who was even more incompetent than he was. I remember trying to do ToC, and just strafing to avoid the yeti charging and one shotting you was more mechanics than any of the officers were capable of. The close friends I had made in that guild, most of whom I'm still very close with today and who were the only fairly competent raiders all gave notices to the GM's wife that we had decided to move on but would leave our alts and still be willing to help out with the raids if they needed us, but the next day I logged on and another friend still in the guild told me she had logged on that morning and saw our mails and that we had left and had a meltdown on Ventrilo and kicked our alts and anyone she even thought was friends with any of us. Again, this was a lady well into adulthood. But like you said, at least we still have the friends we were able to make back then, and it's always fun to reminisce about these super odd microcosms of mid-life crisis condensed into an MMO!
Holy shit thats absolutely wild, you could make an entire video about that honestly
it's funny that you're talking about women exclusively while i'm positive everyone has a hundred times more stories to tell about manchildren
@@Arkain89 Because observing maladjusted manchildren throwing temper tantrums surprises no one. The social expectation is that women will be more responsible, it's a double standard, get with the program.
@@Arkain89 Women can act like children too. This is their experience they are sharing.
@@johnathan5906 thank you for this useless reaction that i will hang on the fridge
Raiding in a mass invite lvling guild ? Madness I tell you!
my experience with "leveling and PvP" guilds is that the majority of them are just a cult of personality around the officers, they are like a high school lunch room, filled with drama, and cliques.
the RL/GM you talk about in this video, every one of these guilds has one, and most of the time they have some kind of substance abuse problem, and think the louder they talk the more right they are
Reminds me of Donald Trump
Rather have mean tweets than bad economy, inflation, and Biden’s near WW3
that and they always bring of politics out of nowhere, so cringe like we can't just play the game and talk mechanics without getting pissed at real life
@@Haggis-Giggles4692things were better and much cheaper under Obama, does that mean trump messed up the economy?
King Batman Trump has never taken a sip of the naughty water@@Forsaken66666
they need to ban the auto guild invite addon
For reallllllll - I've been invited by the same one prob 50 times on my bank alt. annoying and inconsiderate
This shit is horrible in Retail. If I don’t join a guild I get harassed in the middle of a M+ or a raid with constant auto invites in the middle of the fucking screen you have to manually exit out of. Shits stupid.
@@gregjross852 i mean you could just turn the setting off on your side so you dont get the spam instead of letting it in just to cry about it
In retail there is something in settings where you can turn it off but yeah if you can’t do anything about it, it sucks.
Nah the setting exists in SOD too
Can't wait for the content vampires to show up. Hi Asmon!
pls no
Asmon would boost this mf up from just 27k views
weird take. asmon reviewing something is guaranteed to 10x+ your content
@@billyumbraskey8135 sure it does and what is the quality of that viewership if he goes wow look at this fucking morons video everyone
@@billyumbraskey8135 Oh boy, 10x your content with cringy weirdoes.
Now this is the content I enjoy. I hope you posted this in their discord
It would be hard to find in all those channels. Lol
W FFXIV profile picture
The personality to make officer channels, have them locked, but make them visible...
"Casual elitism" is vey much a toxic profile of player in nostalgia fuelled games
Bro. The detail of dropping the "hey i kinda sperged re: discord" disclaimer and time skip... idk how to quite word this. But it is just a brilliant and "care about my audience" move. I see you.
If this was retail mythic raiding I'd say healer prep is decent to go over damage events, assigning cooldown timings in the spreadsheet, things like that. But this is a level 45 leveling dungeon ffs 💀
Excuse me, where's my big heals button?
😂😂😂😂
as the years go by, often i wonder what the goblins are up to in these hallowed forgotten realms of classic wow, thank you for the update sir
SOD is the most toxic environment I’ve ever been in other than league of legends.
Ever try SOD battlegrounds? Insufferable.
@@SheepSociety yeah it’s literally the worst I hate SOD. And it’s literally only because of the people that play it
@@RansomtheRich They all just give up and say "It's a pre-made". Then give up. Then a few are like FU loser, we're fighting. This is every fkin BG I was in. Then the entire BG you are told what a moron you all are and how pathetic you are, even if you are winning. Then when you tell these pieces of shit to stfu they report you from multiple accounts and then your account is banned. Yea, done. I couldn't fkin run from this game fast enough. It is the definition of Cancer. Such a shame, the game is awesome but the community is such shit.
I've had worse experience in SoD than league, least in league its over after 30-40 minutes.
it really attracts the worst in the playerbase for a number of reasons. were it not for a solid core of friends from SoM/wrath forming my guild i would have quit ages ago
Every guild discord is made expecting to get the same activity as a trending reddit thread.
99.99% of them are just pure silence except for raid signup and a ruleset posted 3 years ago.
Glad my guilds the .01%
This isn't even close to true. Your internet addiction is a joke
When I got 80 in Wrath Classic I wanted to raid, so I whispered the 3rd guild ad in trade chat.
Somehow this turned out to be one of the best guilds i've ever randomly joined. Small group of IRL friends mixed with their longtime online buddies and a few randoms like me. They raided twice a week, were chill, and actually prioritized giving gear to members that needed it. I was the only Ret pally so I got beefy within a few weeks. Raids went super smooth as the GM and the officers were absolute pumpers. We went all the way to Ulduar 25 man, cleared it a few times, then the guild just died overnight.
Not even upset, it was the best feverdream of a guild ive had since OG Wrath days.
You know. I do this for fun. My main is a warlock, but I have a pally, rogue, and priest alt all in different guilds purely to watch bad players be bad because it’s fun.
You’re not wrong tho. The higher skill players are usually silent. Always, leveling, raiding, farming, silent. It’s the bad ones that talk themselves up
I do the same exact thing on Era. I love pugging runs because of the insane and hilarious shit that hppens. The degen runs almost always provide content.
those discords are weird, a million tabs no one posts in.
except their awful food posts
i love the discord section of this specific video so much xD
Im sorry gamer, i only have tiny heals and tiny dps 😢
stop making me laugh
you are now officially banned from leveling guilds!
You blinked wrong and now you are at lost xp/hr or dps.
For this transgression you will find yourself castrated tomorrow morning.
Please keep playing with the guild and get more stories. Holy moly this was so fun to listen to.
Can we get some of the juicy discord clips. Old school skype and vent rage clips are the best.
Yes please. I need to hear this rage
This is just like every guild in my experience ever since release in '04. The vast majority of guilds call themselves 'casual' and the officers/leaders all know each other previously, have a bunch of inside jokes and conversations, don't take anyone else who wants to be a bigger part of the guild seriously and everything is taken as a personal attack no matter how obviously playful or concerning. There is always one or two of the leaders/officers who are proficient at the game and everyone has to ignore the obvious fact that the loudest and most disrespectful in the raid/guild is the worst player there. Sounds pretty par for the course. Wish I had documented some of my experiences, they were a lot of fun and have a lot of crazy dramas and stories to come out of them.
17:30 this is unbelievably common I have watched housewives literally destroy there marriage over online young dudes.....some even underage wow is a bastion for disgruntled housewives/unhappy husbands.
I know that guild, it's Warcraft Inc - WildGrowth. Pyro is an Officier in that guild, and he is an elitist without the parse numbers. I left that guild since that guy was toxic to new guildies. And the GM thing is true too. The gm has a temper. He can be cool with you, but if you mess up a raid mechanic that gm will sht talk you down infront of everyone. He will make you feel stupid. But Pyro makes the guild look bad. Someone needs to tell him to humble himself with new guildies, and work on his parses. I was in the guild before, but left. If you are a legit raider, then don't raid with these guys. Too much politics, and favortism in that guild.
I was invited to the guild and someone named buffwhat was super nice and engaging but then she randomly left and I knew something was up.
If you let those NPCs make you feel stupid for ANY reason that's just on you lmao
LOVE the dynasty warriors edits in there, wow what a throw back, cao caos forces morale is dropping and ZHAO YUUUUUN BROOO THE BOOOOY
Bro spent 2 months around people he disliked. Wowza
I started doing classic with a leveling guild that wanted to transition to a raiding guild, but I knew it was doomed simply because I was literally the only tank in the guild. Any dungeon that the guild wanted to do as a full guild run, I HAD to be there. I wanted to DPS but I knew in the first few weeks, tanks would be hard to come by and I was promised we would get replacements so I could DPS.
We recruit another Warrior and I thought the weight on my shoulders would be over, I would actually be able to take breaks without the guild dying, but no, he promised he would tank but resigned himself for DPS. And even if he did tank, he refused to make a tank set and was also just really really bad.
I eventually just burned out because I felt like I had to live in the game to get anything going. I had the classic blunder of being too competent at a role I was just filling for and got stuck.
Not to mention, the GM wanted to bring back DKP, make DKP charts for random fill ins, and no matter how many times we protested, he refused to budge from this. And no, he himself didn't want to manage it with no volunteers.
does anyone have advice for farming ghost mushrooms ?
yep ofc, please ask me I have methods to share.
Hi can we move PM so we can get to the good stuff?
As someone who has been chewed up and spit out by so many guilds, this video really hit close to the mark. Great vid.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! Was a fun watch from the pov of someone that has similarly been through the experience of joining a leveling guild that scrambled to become a raiding guild once enough people hit max level.
Hahahahaha I was in this guild!! Warcraft Inc on Wild Growth. Did one sunken temple with them and holy shit it was a shit show. Got the hell out of dodge.
I'm an officer in a Raiding guild, I'm kinda just winging it, but everyone is having fun doing dungeons and raids, so it's not all that bad.
As soon as I saw the dreamy sheep I knew it's gonna be a good video ❤
Also funny u use the guard icon as a pointer
i love how you put in the failed attempts at solo farming XD
I played SOD during Phase 1 as Rogue and got to max level and started raiding BFD. I missed the first two wipes when the raid opened, but I got put into a raid group that had already cleared the raid in the week prior. I'm a previous mythic raider in retail and the mechanics and raid were pretty easy, I had watched videos but was seeing the mechanics for the first time so first kill was to learn for me. But the raid was already on farm status and everyone just came to parse on the fights and get loot. I was one of two "Kicks" (spell interrupts) for the Kelris fight. My raid leader was a priest who could cleanse the Shadowy Chains debuff but wipe after wipe if there was a missed kick for whatever reason he would get really upset during the fight and flip out at me and would pull me into a private channel in discord after the fight to discuss it. He would demand Mind Blasts get kicked but also would rage if shadowy chains was missed. If the boss got moved and I would get sent into Kelris' phase 1 dream realm sleep phase thing, I wouldn't be able to kick chains, but our other interrupt would, but sometimes they would miss it since its a fast cast. Sometimes I was just coming out of the dream phase and had to sprint over and would barely miss it. Either way, raid and fights were easy and we had it farmed. I had to pull up warcraft logs and show him everyone else's mistakes or other issues that caused missed kicks - but it really wasnt a big deal at all, it was an easy fight/raid.
He was simply mad that he had to cleanse instead of heal for MUH PARSE. I played a little of phase 2 but didn't even attempt to raid with them, and got burned out when I realized my choice was raid with people like that or do the insanely poorly designed, laggy pvp event in STV. I quit.
God this is so relatable man. It’s not just leveling guilds. It’s a huge portion of WoW guilds across all versions of the game. My friend and I tried to run a casual heroic guild during Dragonflight and we had all these crazy personality types. Managing people’s absolute BS was so hard.
in shadowlands i did pubs and was cool lol sometimes bad xd the worst was mythic+ 20s+ tho for me
@@kurrwa i never really had an issue pugging high level m+, but a lot of pug raids just waste your time.
i experienced this with ya drift.. don here, GREAT video!
Hey, at least their characters have really interesting back stories.
Yea, that's one thing that nobody ever talks about when it comes to WoW, the creepy, thirsty af older/married women who go out of their way to treat WoW like it's E-Harmony.
I have *thankfully* not experienced this particular side of WoW in all my years in the game!
WoW has always had a lot of ego attached. If it wasn't your gear it was your build, class choice, what mount you have, to how much time you have to play. Every guild experience I had in that game was negative, after a while I stopped joining them in any MMO.
Was an officer in a hardcore wow levelling guild and man I can tell you how insane that was 😂
The amount of mass exodus events from a guild that I’ve logged on and experienced in a guild is ridiculous 😂.
I’ve never joined a leveling guild this is very insightful and informative thank you 🙏
I did not expect that JLP cameo lmao amazin!
leveling guilds are exclusively useful for expansions with guild bonuses like in cata or mop
mass ress, less rep costs, more xp, rep, mount speed and more before you leave for a raiding guild
i cant comprehend why anyone would ever join these guilds for any other reason
this was oddly entertaining. you are good at telling stories.
I stopped playing SOD in phase 3. I joined a knowledgeable, friendly, “helpful” guild. Most officers knew each other. It was fun at first, until bfd raid started. They needed raiders. Well I could never get help leveling when needed. Even when playing a class I didn’t want to but the guild needed one for the raid group. “I’m a team player I’ll do that for you.” Eventually someone came along and took my spot because I couldn’t level fast enough( playing 2-3hrs/day maybe. I could have just left the guild but I was so burnt out trying to keep up with them. I just stopped completely which sucks because it was a ton of fun with all the new content being added.
I joined a mythic raid in remix a couple of weeks ago. Then all of a sudden I am raid leader and the original one left the group. People are asking me for invites ect. It was not untill after the 1st boss that I got some one attention in chat that I knew nothing about leading a raid ect.. they showed me how to hand it off to them and the rest goes smoothly because we are so over powered in remix. I only raided a few times in the last 20 years. I have seen guilds come and go and watch some implode and break up as a marriage fell apart in real life. Years ago I had some people be toxic so I have been uneasy doing raids ect. I do plan to raid in the next expansion because remix has given me some hope lol.
the Dynasty Warriors edit warranted a subscribe for sure
You touched on something I find very disturbing. I think back to my growth and maturation from when I first started playing online games (including WoW) 20+ years ago to now and assume that since the games I play have an older playerbase now, most people will have experienced some level of maturation as well. Yet these communities seem to be just as toxic as they used to be, perhaps even more. Unfathomable to me how that is, unless it’s a perception phenomenon and not actual reality. Either way, still disheartening how awful people in their 30s and older somehow are in an old ass game.
That “guild recruitment starter pack” is hilarious because I swear in EVERY MMO I’ve played it’s the case.
The stories we have with our ex guilds could supply an entire YT channel. Brilliant idea
Not sure why but this vid made me a bit nostalgic to go visit and be a voyeur in the degeneracy that is SOD leveling guilds on some alts lol. It’s fun to be an OT and just have a laugh once in awhile.
Oh man, I left my era guild because they have everything on HR and it’s hard to get gear. I asked them to reconsider this because it reduces motivation to guild raid as pugs usually don’t have so many HRs. They ridiculed me in the next raid. I told them I was leaving, thinking I’d be better off pugging.
They got angry and kicked me from the discord server
Casual guilds are the worst. I played in almost all top 10 french guilds on retail, only 1 or 2 have actually a toxic athmosphere. On SoD I was casual, all fucking guilds were super toxic while being very bad at the game. That made me quit SoD.
Not all I created a few casual guilds on Classic and private servers and all went good chill.
I just had an eerily close experience on retail for the past two weeks, great video it helped my sanity
If you think this is bad, you should see this raid scene in Tarisland, these Mofos literally run a single boss battle and it call it a raid, blow up over a single missed mechanic.. It really is worth your time if you find shit like this interesting.
Ugh man- That Discord gave me a damn migraine lmao. Even if it wasn’t Discord the STATE of that server was all I needed to see to know how fucked the guild was lmao
This reminds me of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "Less is more"...
well, ill finish this tomorrow becasue its 5:20 am
deathnote OST
20min video
Austin Power cameo
i like this already
I relate to this entirely, even though I play on EU servers. Also the weird parent in the second guild... except it was a father of kids and me being in my early 20s as a female RL. Made me so uncomfortable the entire time until I yelled at him one day to shut up and play the game and go back to his wife. Add the weirdo incels who'd hate on me and the guild for having a woman in leadership, and the desperate men who thought hitting on me would do something, even though my boyfriend was also on the raid team? Needless to say, after kicking and recruiting more people who'd end up being weird, I said goodbye to the guild, thanked the GM and officers for the good moments and achieving what we did, and quit SoD.
Just out of curiosity, was the people being weird to you happening in dm's or over voice? Just wondering because almost every raiding guild i've been in had women actively raiding, oftentimes also officers and once had a woman raidleader, never noticed anything you're describing
Almost pugged an ST run on my priest with this guild. Dipped since the raid lead was screaming about consumes before the raid even started, when he didn’t even have a single world buff
This is why you avoid the mass invite guilds like the plague. There are casual levelling guilds that are worth joining but they're usually not using the mass invite addons. Mine was a lot of fun but sadly will likely be closing its own doors in the next few days as people's interests move on and we can't maintain the numbers for 20 player raiding. We certainly never had the kinds of problems you've displayed though. It's completely unnecessary to behave the way these people did.
Not even in your guild and I feel your pain, I am not a fan of parsing but I do want people to be prepared and not brain dead.
7:46
priest aggro is so real though. I spent 6 tiers ripping threat with heal bombs, heal threat 1:1, begging for salv
Nothing illustrates the Dunning-Kruger Effect quite like WoW players!
Honestly as a 26 year old thats about to have to work 2 weeks without more than 24 hours between 8 10 hour shifts....I can't imagine letting anyone shout at me or berate me for a shiny item. Period.
Like I get people make mistakes, and raids can be pressure cookers. But singling people out and attacking them does NOT make them get better at the game, but dig in their heels and REFUSE to listen. It's always better to pull them to the side, politely discuss the issue and how to best help them clear the hurdle. Treat a person like a person, giving them the chance to grow instead of public shaming for mistakes in a video game. Tell me I'm wrong.
lol what a wet blanket
@jimmyrusselluher1225 Nah. Just someone with enough raid experience to know what does and doesn't work. And how I'll let some netboi treat me over a video game. Too many raid guilds out there to be loyal to those that ain't loyal to you.
Lmao nothing is more annoying in retail than doing a M+ or a raid on a guildless alt only to be met with guild auto invite spams in the middle of a boss.
I saw recruit spam for this guild a few weeks ago and instantly clocked them as toxic based only on the name. There’s a zero percent chance a guild called is filled with anything other than overgrown 13 year olds
On tbc classic i took the terrible decision to accept one of those invites, the guild leader was the most toxic and unstable person i've met in the game .
One day he was telling how good i played my char, the next day he was flaming me while in raid discord as he though i wasn't hearing, not just gaming but personal stuff
Then he asked me for 1000 gold, a month later i got nothing back, asked him months later and he even argued that i did not need the money back since i was not playing so much anymore.
Months later i noticed I was removed from battle net friends list by him and i never knew more about him, though i still keep a couple of guys i met there, all of us saw from the beginning the type of person he was.
I recognize i was just waiting to see it all burn as no one stayed in the guild for more than a week.
So in case you are trapped in a similar situation all you got to do is pay the ransom
Classic WoW servers are just a retirement home for +35 yr old people who want to relieve the good ol' days in the worst ways possible
Wrong
agree 👍🏿
I joined a mass invite leveling guild on cata classic purely because of the name and perks. I'm still in it for the name and it's nice to interact with the same folks everyday in guild chat. But one of the main things is keeping up with their attempts to become a real raid guild. Pretty similar to your story, I did one raid with them and quickly realized it wasn't my speed. But it's nice to watch them try to put together a raid team and kill bosses. A lot of the original officers gquit after their first raid attempt for god knows what reason. A boomer prot warrior who was pissed about not making the 'main' raid team stepped up and created a scheduled run that is now the main guild run. It is always perplexing to me that folks don't realize what kind of guild they are joining. If you're getting randomly invited and you see people constantly joining and leaving it's pretty apparent what kind of guild it's going to be. Nevertheless the folks who stuck around are persisting and killing bosses so good on em. I'll keep the name on my character and observe those crazy bastards.
This is why I ended up guilding with people I know outside the game. Much more chill.
Loved the JLP “amazin”’s. Truly..amazin
did that absolute madman actually parse ZERO on two encounters? thats actually impressive.
i so feel the "pump harder". bro im playing a dps class that has a grand total of zero dps cds, ill just hammer my keys extra hard for more dps now thx
I played wow from around 2008 ~ 2011, late Wrath we'd managed to form our own guild off the back of a guild I'd joined specifically to help get started on raiding and build some connections - we only got started because they imploded out of no-where one morning and every logged in that day to find themselves guild-less.
Sent out invites to everyone I knew who'd been chucked and we started doing 10-Man content, we were pretty trash but was some wholesome ass times, still in regular contact with at least a couple of them but we were not ready at all for early Cata raiding and just stone walled every week, zero progress so it all eventually fizzled out.
Been a GW2 player since launch in 2012 and never looked back.
Idk about anyone else but in wotlk classic discord and obsession was heavy . I was theory crafting 24/7 and listening to guides at work I was living the game. All those prep channels and teams made sense to me idk. We planned everything out and we’re always talking. I wish I didn’t stop playing we were blasting ulda faster than anyone else and then my dad died . Sometimes you don’t realize how good it is
This was hilarious. Thank you for posting it.
my old guild in black desert reminds me alot of this situation you were in lmfao thank god i didnt do anything large scale with them
guild drama as a child always entertained me
and now im in my early 20's playing era and its still just as entertaining
grown adults like 30+ with kids and wives crying in g chat is hilarious
Just started my own guild on classic era firemaw horde, and these kinds of guilds are exactly the ones I’m being very careful to avoid making, just said ‘no hierarchy, if you got shit with someone else, handle it in dms or fuckin leave’, and boom everyone is nice to each other and we can get along. We plan to raid, but as casually as it gets, because from personal experience with semi-hc raiding and guilds like the one in the video, I can say quite confidently I never wanna go there again
LOL hilarious! I never even considered raiding with a mass-invite guild.
My guild fell apart in season 2 of dragon flight because the guild leader was obsessed with causing drama for no reason. First and last serious raiding guild I’ll ever join.
It's really sad that alot of these players are older. They should know better
In my experience it's always the "casual" guilds that act elitist. Usually it's one loudmouth who gets into being an officer and then starts pushing everybody more hardcore, almost always destroying the guild as it pushes away people who don't want to be hardcore.
This makes me so glad I found an actually casual guild to raid with in vanilla classic, sure, some nights you don't fully clear ZG and sometimes a mage or a warlock takes your +healing items but it was a small price to pay for chill dudes and dudettes
This was a fun watch, definitely laughed. Great job!
Still watching the video, but at 9:40, I think the PvP sign ups are probably just trying to lightly rank up. It's been a long time since I've played SoD I admit (Quit the week before p2 and went back to FFXIV) but one thing I do remember was it has the new Vanilla honor system (can't derank without a DK) and a similar server I play that does a system like that where you can't unrank by decay sees that with some of the uber casual guilds. They just kind of group up with a handful and play BGs. They aren't good nor are they better than a pug, but the social atmosphere and semi-coordination giving an advantage nonetheless makes it more tolerable for players that don't like recreationally doing PvP to begin with and does end up being a pretty decent gear avenue for casuals given how good rank 14 gear is for melee and a lot of classes really when it comes to PvE.
SoD could completely change that, I've not really been paying attention to it since I've stopped playing but if the PvP gear is as good as it is in Vanilla comparatively and not just powercrept out of relevance entirely then that's probably what this is. When you remove the decay system and don't require no lifing the game for 3 solid months to get gear that in most cases is relevant into AQ40 and still really good for Naxx prog, a lot of casuals go that route because while stupid when it comes to the game, they perfectly understand how "a couple of hours a week with some friends gets me gear that makes me curbstomp all relevant PvE to me" is a very worthwhile investment. We had a crisis of this in TBC that is funnily hardly ever talked about. When guilds were still taking months to get through tier 4 there were a lot of players who made 5s teams, trashed 10 games then coasted for arena points then just pennied their way to having weapons comparable to weapons they weren't good enough as a guild to get by killing the bosses in order to trivialize said bosses giving them trouble. The term at the time was "Welfare Epics" and it was an ongoing mess of the PvE vs PvP mentalities back when these were becoming less of things everybody indulged and more of "this is a separate endgame entirely" complete with its associated tribalism. PvE players would point at PvP gear and say it was too easy to earn therefore not a real epic item. PvP players in turn would point at every trivial boss by 2007-2008 standards in a tier like Lurker Below Difficulty and Loot Reaver, Supremus, etc and say "Lol this is such an easy fight, how do you think your items take more skill to get than mine?" This ultimately culminated in personal requirements on gear, namely the weapons but then was adjusted to be on every piece of gear except gloves during season 4 because players were just hitting cap, doing bgs for their season 1 set then rushing off into tier 5 while they casually did arenas for higher tier pvp gear. Removing attunements ultimately was the bigger problem at play here and would have stopped it in its tracks... but Blizzard removed attunements when we got season 2, and the honor gear was still garbage blues at the time so nobody would've really seen this problem coming. It was a bunch of bad decisions adding up that kind of forever really drove in the growing divide of PVE and PVP progression and that the days of enjoying both in Vanilla that enchanted a lot of us were swiftly coming to a close.
Random tangent within a random tangent, when Blizzard removed attunements, a lot of guilds ended up disbanding across servers. Not because of protest, but because they gaslit themselves into thinking Magtheridon is just overtuned so they skipped tier 4 to go right into tier 5, Lurker was an easy fight, they saw it in videos so surely the rest are easy too... Then tanks get curbstomped because Hydross requires resist gear, guilds struggling with Maulgar having 5 targets are once again struggling coordinating on Fathom Lord where it's now even harder despite also being a pretty simple boss... Oh, and in a brilliant feat of scientific discovery they were the ones to discover months later that it was actually possible to wipe on Void Reaver. So it became a pretty common running gag with diehard PvP only players to mock the guilds that only ever seemed to do the free bosses in tier 5 and mysteriously couldn't enter Black Temple until 2.4 removed its attunement, or to roast people that tried to defend these bosses as being hard because their guild struggles with them. If you play retail, it's the equivalent to the reddit Mythic Raider that only has kills on the first two or three bosses on week 8 but tells everyone about how easy anything below Mythic is.
That being said, if you have something that's even more low effort than semi afking BGs like Naxxramas Trash farm then they tend to chase the weapons from there instead because it's much lower investment. Like every casual rogue and warrior would be wielding a servo arm and harbinger of doom (epic offhand dagger) while rocking questing greens level of tomfuckery then that epic 40 str chestpiece.
Honestly while people expect theres lots of elitism / putting people down in "serious" raiding guilds, from my experience of being in server 1st / sweaty parsing guides and more casual guilds, most of the time the "tryhard" guides are more respectful, relaxed and less bitchy. People perform a lot better and are willing to put in more effort when they arent walking on eggshells expecting they will get their heads bitten off for a mistake. Atmosphere goes a long way in raid performance. The problem is usually the best officers / GMs are people who dont even want to do those roles as they dont get a power / ego trip from being in those positions. you can tell the GM in this vid was one with a superiority complex 😬
Honestly if you "cant find" a guild just run as a fill up for guilds.
If you play well you usually get invited to the guild if you are something they are missing.
Like people said its ass to get raid spots with different classes while i often get guild invites after just one raid.
Its just up to how prepared you are, how you perform and how well you fit into the group.
Great video. Reminescent of my experience being a young teen playing wotlk not knowing any better lol
This whole things feels strangely mean spirited
Weirdest guild I was in was ran by a married couple with kids. One of the officers got with the guild leaders wife, I always wondered why the officer was online all hours in the day lol.
Not sure why this video was in my suggestions.
I found it pretty Entertaining tho!
Really encapsulate some of the madness of the guilds out there