@@105Strike105 Ah the system to trick idiots to do free labour. Where people bank points and new members can never catch up, as "priority" loot goes to whoever has the highest. Don't forget the "free" points leaders and officers get. The loot system being individual (before it forced loot option.. Horrible) was a blessing with strangers in pugs and shit guilds. And than they wonder "jeez, why won't anyone join our guild? It is just that they can't roll on anything and we 100 points ahead of them, so we can just "minbid" everything". No Gdkp was trash; it was made to trick gullible fools to "Show up" so the "most dedicated" would get all the loot; it was a system to get enough "goons" to fill the 40-man slot. It is as good as any "membership reward card" system with the same allure to make you feel good for at least getting some "points". Or you could just be a proper guild that can just use "roll", and if someone got loot twice, gentleman agreement that they can be asked to give it to someone that got nothing (Spoiler: this is how you filter out the "rats". If they would pass up loot when they already got some for someone else, that is the guy you want in your main raid group. They respect people and are not being a selfish rat)
@@105Strike105 the concept of GDKPs is so fucking dogshit unless you're either buy gold or actively farm it. If you only raid-log on one toon finding a good soft-res pug in your server is literally superior in every way plus doesn't promote RMT. I'd rather lose my item to unlucky rolls than to some cunt who pay2wins a 20 year old game.
@@105Strike105 GDKP exposes a few things with these toxic casual boomerdad/classic andy redditors type (and they're intrinsically linked). One is that they hardcore seethe about a system that directly incorporate accountability into what you get out of it, and the other is that they still idolized raid gear/loot as the be all end all reward of raiding, which is why they hardcore seethe about the "goldbuying oiler" boogieman buying all of their BIS loots. They miss the "good old days" where they can mooch from the people that put in the work and get fed their trophies off the luck of the draw, and forcing accountabilities and expecting basic performance level is """optimizing the fun out of the game""""". The goldbuying oiler boogieman also is a reflection of their work ethic, they can't envision having gold without buying, because obviously how much they have is the standard for all players (playing the AH is also for sweats).
all video games have these people it is not exclusive to wow, but it is heavy in MMOs as these people are trapped in escapism and addictive behavior. they are almost always enabled by family members and likely abusive towards those enablers. you can tell this by how they handle any conflict at all in the game world. it is exponentially worse in their real life
@Ruintek Nah, it is ESPECIALLY the case for WoW, any game that is the biggest in their genre is going to attract the biggest no life, no skill losers.
It's not so bad. I used to play EVE Online like 10 years ago and it was 100x worse than what's described in this video. The "control freak" mentality was turned up to an 11. They justify it with the fact that PVP losses in EVE are permanent, but there are no stakes high enough in a video game to justify that kind of behavior.
Hearing you talk about the interpersonal drama and shockingly low levels of social aptitude from middle aged people reminded me of my first major guild experience way back in WotLK. It was a guild called Dark Resurrection on the Trollbane server and the entire officer crew was entirely made up of early 40's to 50's people. I remember one officer would often throw temper tantrums in guild chat that not enough people responded to her and nobody was ever happy to see her log on, and one day began randomly kicking people, including raiders, during one such tantrum. She absolutely hated someone that became a close friend of mine in the guild because she was a straight up better healer than her. In this same guild we also had a 50 year old woman leave her husband to move in with another guild member in his late 20's, and another pair of people in their 40's leave their respective partners to also hook up. One lady was way too willing to discuss fetish stuff openly in the guild chat (often talked about how much she loved being flogged, she was in her 50's btw) The guild leader quit because he got bored of the game and left the guild to his wife, who was even more incompetent than he was. I remember trying to do ToC, and just strafing to avoid the yeti charging and one shotting you was more mechanics than any of the officers were capable of. The close friends I had made in that guild, most of whom I'm still very close with today and who were the only fairly competent raiders all gave notices to the GM's wife that we had decided to move on but would leave our alts and still be willing to help out with the raids if they needed us, but the next day I logged on and another friend still in the guild told me she had logged on that morning and saw our mails and that we had left and had a meltdown on Ventrilo and kicked our alts and anyone she even thought was friends with any of us. Again, this was a lady well into adulthood. But like you said, at least we still have the friends we were able to make back then, and it's always fun to reminisce about these super odd microcosms of mid-life crisis condensed into an MMO!
@@Arkain89 Because observing maladjusted manchildren throwing temper tantrums surprises no one. The social expectation is that women will be more responsible, it's a double standard, get with the program.
In my guild in 2020 Classic Era, our GM was absolutely hammered during every raid. Our loot system was entirely GM-led, who would decide based on ?? who deserved each piece of loot. The decisions became more unpredictable the more drunk he became. Typically raids ended with him crying hysterically about people's criticisms. At the end of the night it was a race to leave the Discord ASAP so's not to be the last one on channel with him and get ensnared in his gin-drunk hysterical tyrades. It was a wonderful time and I'd do it again.
as someone that only cries when drunk, that guy needed help, unfortunate that he was the gm because that probably made it impossible for anyone to help him for fear of being kicked.
I joined back in légion my formerly top 10-50 guild in the World with the guys from past eras just doing chill heroic raiding. Half the raid was stoned/drunk including me, it was very chill and no drama. Turns out it matters much more who IS doing it, than the action of doing it. Of course this Is a group of former hardcore players that are actually good AT the game.
my experience with "leveling and PvP" guilds is that the majority of them are just a cult of personality around the officers, they are like a high school lunch room, filled with drama, and cliques. the RL/GM you talk about in this video, every one of these guilds has one, and most of the time they have some kind of substance abuse problem, and think the louder they talk the more right they are
that and they always bring of politics out of nowhere, so cringe like we can't just play the game and talk mechanics without getting pissed at real life
Guild drama is the most nostalgic part of WoW for me. No matter how much wow changes, I always love to see that there’s still people that rage at this game, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I’m glad you were able to find a new guild asap and I hope that guild is 1000% better and more chill than what you went through.
@@RansomtheRich They all just give up and say "It's a pre-made". Then give up. Then a few are like FU loser, we're fighting. This is every fkin BG I was in. Then the entire BG you are told what a moron you all are and how pathetic you are, even if you are winning. Then when you tell these pieces of shit to stfu they report you from multiple accounts and then your account is banned. Yea, done. I couldn't fkin run from this game fast enough. It is the definition of Cancer. Such a shame, the game is awesome but the community is such shit.
it really attracts the worst in the playerbase for a number of reasons. were it not for a solid core of friends from SoM/wrath forming my guild i would have quit ages ago
If this was retail mythic raiding I'd say healer prep is decent to go over damage events, assigning cooldown timings in the spreadsheet, things like that. But this is a level 45 leveling dungeon ffs 💀
Bro. The detail of dropping the "hey i kinda sperged re: discord" disclaimer and time skip... idk how to quite word this. But it is just a brilliant and "care about my audience" move. I see you.
17:30 this is unbelievably common I have watched housewives literally destroy there marriage over online young dudes.....some even underage wow is a bastion for disgruntled housewives/unhappy husbands.
When I got 80 in Wrath Classic I wanted to raid, so I whispered the 3rd guild ad in trade chat. Somehow this turned out to be one of the best guilds i've ever randomly joined. Small group of IRL friends mixed with their longtime online buddies and a few randoms like me. They raided twice a week, were chill, and actually prioritized giving gear to members that needed it. I was the only Ret pally so I got beefy within a few weeks. Raids went super smooth as the GM and the officers were absolute pumpers. We went all the way to Ulduar 25 man, cleared it a few times, then the guild just died overnight. Not even upset, it was the best feverdream of a guild ive had since OG Wrath days.
Hahahahaha I was in this guild!! Warcraft Inc on Wild Growth. Did one sunken temple with them and holy shit it was a shit show. Got the hell out of dodge.
I started doing classic with a leveling guild that wanted to transition to a raiding guild, but I knew it was doomed simply because I was literally the only tank in the guild. Any dungeon that the guild wanted to do as a full guild run, I HAD to be there. I wanted to DPS but I knew in the first few weeks, tanks would be hard to come by and I was promised we would get replacements so I could DPS. We recruit another Warrior and I thought the weight on my shoulders would be over, I would actually be able to take breaks without the guild dying, but no, he promised he would tank but resigned himself for DPS. And even if he did tank, he refused to make a tank set and was also just really really bad. I eventually just burned out because I felt like I had to live in the game to get anything going. I had the classic blunder of being too competent at a role I was just filling for and got stuck. Not to mention, the GM wanted to bring back DKP, make DKP charts for random fill ins, and no matter how many times we protested, he refused to budge from this. And no, he himself didn't want to manage it with no volunteers.
I played SOD during Phase 1 as Rogue and got to max level and started raiding BFD. I missed the first two wipes when the raid opened, but I got put into a raid group that had already cleared the raid in the week prior. I'm a previous mythic raider in retail and the mechanics and raid were pretty easy, I had watched videos but was seeing the mechanics for the first time so first kill was to learn for me. But the raid was already on farm status and everyone just came to parse on the fights and get loot. I was one of two "Kicks" (spell interrupts) for the Kelris fight. My raid leader was a priest who could cleanse the Shadowy Chains debuff but wipe after wipe if there was a missed kick for whatever reason he would get really upset during the fight and flip out at me and would pull me into a private channel in discord after the fight to discuss it. He would demand Mind Blasts get kicked but also would rage if shadowy chains was missed. If the boss got moved and I would get sent into Kelris' phase 1 dream realm sleep phase thing, I wouldn't be able to kick chains, but our other interrupt would, but sometimes they would miss it since its a fast cast. Sometimes I was just coming out of the dream phase and had to sprint over and would barely miss it. Either way, raid and fights were easy and we had it farmed. I had to pull up warcraft logs and show him everyone else's mistakes or other issues that caused missed kicks - but it really wasnt a big deal at all, it was an easy fight/raid. He was simply mad that he had to cleanse instead of heal for MUH PARSE. I played a little of phase 2 but didn't even attempt to raid with them, and got burned out when I realized my choice was raid with people like that or do the insanely poorly designed, laggy pvp event in STV. I quit.
Ugh man- That Discord gave me a damn migraine lmao. Even if it wasn’t Discord the STATE of that server was all I needed to see to know how fucked the guild was lmao
WoW has always had a lot of ego attached. If it wasn't your gear it was your build, class choice, what mount you have, to how much time you have to play. Every guild experience I had in that game was negative, after a while I stopped joining them in any MMO.
I know that guild, it's Warcraft Inc - WildGrowth. Pyro is an Officier in that guild, and he is an elitist without the parse numbers. I left that guild since that guy was toxic to new guildies. And the GM thing is true too. The gm has a temper. He can be cool with you, but if you mess up a raid mechanic that gm will sht talk you down infront of everyone. He will make you feel stupid. But Pyro makes the guild look bad. Someone needs to tell him to humble himself with new guildies, and work on his parses. I was in the guild before, but left. If you are a legit raider, then don't raid with these guys. Too much politics, and favortism in that guild.
Great video! Was a fun watch from the pov of someone that has similarly been through the experience of joining a leveling guild that scrambled to become a raiding guild once enough people hit max level.
Not sure why but this vid made me a bit nostalgic to go visit and be a voyeur in the degeneracy that is SOD leveling guilds on some alts lol. It’s fun to be an OT and just have a laugh once in awhile.
Well... I was in some guild where officer demoted me because did not wanted nothing with him to have even got message in inbox how he is tired of girls who want just to be friends with him xDDD But that was just peak of drama, shitshow was in that guild.
did that absolute madman actually parse ZERO on two encounters? thats actually impressive. i so feel the "pump harder". bro im playing a dps class that has a grand total of zero dps cds, ill just hammer my keys extra hard for more dps now thx
I joined a mythic raid in remix a couple of weeks ago. Then all of a sudden I am raid leader and the original one left the group. People are asking me for invites ect. It was not untill after the 1st boss that I got some one attention in chat that I knew nothing about leading a raid ect.. they showed me how to hand it off to them and the rest goes smoothly because we are so over powered in remix. I only raided a few times in the last 20 years. I have seen guilds come and go and watch some implode and break up as a marriage fell apart in real life. Years ago I had some people be toxic so I have been uneasy doing raids ect. I do plan to raid in the next expansion because remix has given me some hope lol.
leveling guilds are exclusively useful for expansions with guild bonuses like in cata or mop mass ress, less rep costs, more xp, rep, mount speed and more before you leave for a raiding guild i cant comprehend why anyone would ever join these guilds for any other reason
I relate to this entirely, even though I play on EU servers. Also the weird parent in the second guild... except it was a father of kids and me being in my early 20s as a female RL. Made me so uncomfortable the entire time until I yelled at him one day to shut up and play the game and go back to his wife. Add the weirdo incels who'd hate on me and the guild for having a woman in leadership, and the desperate men who thought hitting on me would do something, even though my boyfriend was also on the raid team? Needless to say, after kicking and recruiting more people who'd end up being weird, I said goodbye to the guild, thanked the GM and officers for the good moments and achieving what we did, and quit SoD.
Just out of curiosity, was the people being weird to you happening in dm's or over voice? Just wondering because almost every raiding guild i've been in had women actively raiding, oftentimes also officers and once had a woman raidleader, never noticed anything you're describing
Casual guilds are the worst. I played in almost all top 10 french guilds on retail, only 1 or 2 have actually a toxic athmosphere. On SoD I was casual, all fucking guilds were super toxic while being very bad at the game. That made me quit SoD.
Yea, that's one thing that nobody ever talks about when it comes to WoW, the creepy, thirsty af older/married women who go out of their way to treat WoW like it's E-Harmony.
I saw recruit spam for this guild a few weeks ago and instantly clocked them as toxic based only on the name. There’s a zero percent chance a guild called is filled with anything other than overgrown 13 year olds
I have WOW again after a few years and it is surprising how many big CHILDREN there are inside. They have an ego that surprises me, people over 30 years old. but full of people like that, with these shortcomings.
If you happen to be on wild growth us, consider joining Extra Sauce, friendly and helpfull oldschool vanilla casual mindset, with 2 st raids currently. Looking for members who are looking for more cooperative advancement focused gameplay.
WoW players are a special breed, after playing this game on vanilla through to end of Wotlk, I could see I wasn't the same person I was when I started playing, it's weird, and it's only until you stop playing the game you realize
I joined a mass invite leveling guild on cata classic purely because of the name and perks. I'm still in it for the name and it's nice to interact with the same folks everyday in guild chat. But one of the main things is keeping up with their attempts to become a real raid guild. Pretty similar to your story, I did one raid with them and quickly realized it wasn't my speed. But it's nice to watch them try to put together a raid team and kill bosses. A lot of the original officers gquit after their first raid attempt for god knows what reason. A boomer prot warrior who was pissed about not making the 'main' raid team stepped up and created a scheduled run that is now the main guild run. It is always perplexing to me that folks don't realize what kind of guild they are joining. If you're getting randomly invited and you see people constantly joining and leaving it's pretty apparent what kind of guild it's going to be. Nevertheless the folks who stuck around are persisting and killing bosses so good on em. I'll keep the name on my character and observe those crazy bastards.
Weirdest guild I was in was ran by a married couple with kids. One of the officers got with the guild leaders wife, I always wondered why the officer was online all hours in the day lol.
This makes me so glad I found an actually casual guild to raid with in vanilla classic, sure, some nights you don't fully clear ZG and sometimes a mage or a warlock takes your +healing items but it was a small price to pay for chill dudes and dudettes
so sad to see that new player run into this aholes, not knowing what great feeling it is to have a "good" guild. aswome video. super interessting topic.
This is why you avoid the mass invite guilds like the plague. There are casual levelling guilds that are worth joining but they're usually not using the mass invite addons. Mine was a lot of fun but sadly will likely be closing its own doors in the next few days as people's interests move on and we can't maintain the numbers for 20 player raiding. We certainly never had the kinds of problems you've displayed though. It's completely unnecessary to behave the way these people did.
Lmao nothing is more annoying in retail than doing a M+ or a raid on a guildless alt only to be met with guild auto invite spams in the middle of a boss.
I never experienced guild drama. I always went into PvP guilds. Did the ranking journey and played with some really hardcore people. Myself I'm most definitely a casual but I have an affinity for PvP and I always get invited despite being a tad undergeared. This being said, for me the wow community have always been a very enjoyable one. I honestly think the pve side of things get worse than the PvP community at least in classic era. The hate was always directed outward and never inward in the PvP guilds.. which was nice cus rivalry sprung out of it.
Warcraft Inc was hilarious. I was talking to the GM in guild chat after he got his epic gnomer helm about bloodmoon and told him I was going to slap that helm off his head. Needless to say, I found him and ganked him lol. He didn't like me very much after that and I pressed him about it. Hilarious times.
Still watching the video, but at 9:40, I think the PvP sign ups are probably just trying to lightly rank up. It's been a long time since I've played SoD I admit (Quit the week before p2 and went back to FFXIV) but one thing I do remember was it has the new Vanilla honor system (can't derank without a DK) and a similar server I play that does a system like that where you can't unrank by decay sees that with some of the uber casual guilds. They just kind of group up with a handful and play BGs. They aren't good nor are they better than a pug, but the social atmosphere and semi-coordination giving an advantage nonetheless makes it more tolerable for players that don't like recreationally doing PvP to begin with and does end up being a pretty decent gear avenue for casuals given how good rank 14 gear is for melee and a lot of classes really when it comes to PvE. SoD could completely change that, I've not really been paying attention to it since I've stopped playing but if the PvP gear is as good as it is in Vanilla comparatively and not just powercrept out of relevance entirely then that's probably what this is. When you remove the decay system and don't require no lifing the game for 3 solid months to get gear that in most cases is relevant into AQ40 and still really good for Naxx prog, a lot of casuals go that route because while stupid when it comes to the game, they perfectly understand how "a couple of hours a week with some friends gets me gear that makes me curbstomp all relevant PvE to me" is a very worthwhile investment. We had a crisis of this in TBC that is funnily hardly ever talked about. When guilds were still taking months to get through tier 4 there were a lot of players who made 5s teams, trashed 10 games then coasted for arena points then just pennied their way to having weapons comparable to weapons they weren't good enough as a guild to get by killing the bosses in order to trivialize said bosses giving them trouble. The term at the time was "Welfare Epics" and it was an ongoing mess of the PvE vs PvP mentalities back when these were becoming less of things everybody indulged and more of "this is a separate endgame entirely" complete with its associated tribalism. PvE players would point at PvP gear and say it was too easy to earn therefore not a real epic item. PvP players in turn would point at every trivial boss by 2007-2008 standards in a tier like Lurker Below Difficulty and Loot Reaver, Supremus, etc and say "Lol this is such an easy fight, how do you think your items take more skill to get than mine?" This ultimately culminated in personal requirements on gear, namely the weapons but then was adjusted to be on every piece of gear except gloves during season 4 because players were just hitting cap, doing bgs for their season 1 set then rushing off into tier 5 while they casually did arenas for higher tier pvp gear. Removing attunements ultimately was the bigger problem at play here and would have stopped it in its tracks... but Blizzard removed attunements when we got season 2, and the honor gear was still garbage blues at the time so nobody would've really seen this problem coming. It was a bunch of bad decisions adding up that kind of forever really drove in the growing divide of PVE and PVP progression and that the days of enjoying both in Vanilla that enchanted a lot of us were swiftly coming to a close. Random tangent within a random tangent, when Blizzard removed attunements, a lot of guilds ended up disbanding across servers. Not because of protest, but because they gaslit themselves into thinking Magtheridon is just overtuned so they skipped tier 4 to go right into tier 5, Lurker was an easy fight, they saw it in videos so surely the rest are easy too... Then tanks get curbstomped because Hydross requires resist gear, guilds struggling with Maulgar having 5 targets are once again struggling coordinating on Fathom Lord where it's now even harder despite also being a pretty simple boss... Oh, and in a brilliant feat of scientific discovery they were the ones to discover months later that it was actually possible to wipe on Void Reaver. So it became a pretty common running gag with diehard PvP only players to mock the guilds that only ever seemed to do the free bosses in tier 5 and mysteriously couldn't enter Black Temple until 2.4 removed its attunement, or to roast people that tried to defend these bosses as being hard because their guild struggles with them. If you play retail, it's the equivalent to the reddit Mythic Raider that only has kills on the first two or three bosses on week 8 but tells everyone about how easy anything below Mythic is. That being said, if you have something that's even more low effort than semi afking BGs like Naxxramas Trash farm then they tend to chase the weapons from there instead because it's much lower investment. Like every casual rogue and warrior would be wielding a servo arm and harbinger of doom (epic offhand dagger) while rocking questing greens level of tomfuckery then that epic 40 str chestpiece.
Biggest fail in any discord is having channels like this and it is so common, same guilds usually have 6-7 officers in a 20man raid team xD Every single webpage for each class discord as a seperate channel Wowhead/whatever channels 33 voice channels with 3 being the max ever in use A channel that people occasionally wave in when they join + welcome + rules + events + suggestions up top.
I remember when I joined my very first guild at the start of Cata.. I was trailing in gear level by quite a bit as I hadn't don't higher end raiding yet.. in the spirit of wanting to join in the main content with the guild, I asked if a little bit of time could be put aside so I could catch up and join them. I was told that they didn't have time for that, despite the expac had been out for 1.5 years so there's no world first left etc.. This same guild was advertising for new players too, which means they had to expect under geared players, surely.
Classic always feels really hit or miss when it comes to douche bags. As a person in their 40's it really is typically my age group. Like they think they are better due to years of gaming but then they also almost all quit retail when content became actually challenging lol. Then will tell you about their classic parses .... Like I play pretty much every version of the game so I'm not throwing shade. Just comes off so super hilarious when you actually come from doing even just things like mid end keys or heroic raiding in current retail. People in that actual content aren't nearly as toxic.
This was fascinating. That GM style was very common in early wow, and I think the people that run guilds that way do it because they're stuck in the past.
I didn't clue into that I was in this guild until I saw the discord raid channels. This was one of the worst guilds I've ever been apart of, I didn't last a month.
I joined a guild that has a husband and wife raid lead/guild GMS and they are super chill great progression guild and raids are fun even if we wipe and have a bad night for the most part we laugh it off. Easily the best group of players I’ve played with on the game I breath of fresh air in the classic cataclysm era
Some people will never mature but often think of themselves as very mature. Not many are aware of their own immaturity. I met people in their teens that were more mature than others in their 30's and beyond. And I'm not talking about something like childlike playfulness but more the negative sides of childish immaturity. While I had guild drama to a certain degree, it was never on this level. It was stuff like a person getting a raid spot all of the time for no apparent reason even though he constantly went AFK mid-fight in raids. He had and was getting more good gear all the time because he had lots of DKP from always getting taking along, but was bottom of the barrel performance wise. New members, that were outclassing him, were not able to get gear as they couldn't compete in DKP. I felt bad for the new gal of the same class and spec them him, who was really good at for what gear she was still using that I spoke with the leadership but nothing came out of it. I left the guild after warning them beforehand that I would if I don't see them taking concerns like this serious. Oh the "please stay"s I was getting then... It was like this guy was getting participation trophies... Back in vanilla, around the release of Naxx, we also had multiple members leave our guild (actually an alliance of 3 guilds but effectively we saw us as one) to form a "super raid guild" with members of another guild. Of cause behind ours and the rest of the other guild's backs. They claimed to only take the "best" but I guess being female was enough to count, as they took a female keyboard turner along, who couldn't even do her own hunter epic quest chain but had someone else do it for her (after they split off from our guild, he told me as I was always chatting with him - he was from the other guild). Besides these things I saw small time "drama" (nothing too bad) and guilds dying without much drama. I also only joined guilds where I knew the people (from playing together on different occasions) or where the invite was personal and friendly. Getting invites without or with copy pasta texts will be ignored. I haven't been in a guild in modern WoW for years (also stopped playing) and the last one was for WoW Classic. The community didn't change for the better, incl. some people from back in the day. Oh the Paladins wanting cloth caster items with "but it's BiS!" was driving me insane. Back in the day the only time someone wanted armor items that were not for plate for warriors for example was the Crown of Destruction in MC but it was shot down with "you can have it if no other mail wearer has need". While I enjoyed doing dungeons in WoW Classic with people that didn't play for years and came back out of nostalgia, I really dislike what dungeon runs with random people have become in general. Too effing lazy even for common courtesies like greetings...
I once griefed world buffs and passed on BiS pre raid loot which got me kicked out of exactly such a guild, logged in half a year later and people were still angry about it. Got blacklisted on every discord on the server. Wow is truly the best game for living out your worst life. And if you don't leave a single piece of cheese or mushroom in the solid chests you find, just so the next person who finds it gets disapointed, i cant take you seriously as a wow player, becouse it means you take yourself serious as a wow player🤡
Please help 2:08 - 2:20 (prox) Names of the showed addons on screen. Show damage done by skill spells in a upscaling way? Debuffs over enemies. Debuff specific timer?? O. The middle left of the screen. Sorry bout my eng. Help heros of gaming (o'.')=O
The tank raid prep has to be the blandest channel ever. Main tanks and co-tanks rarely need to coordinate together. It's only really needed when content is new or one of them is unsure about the strategy they used last week, but even in those cases, it's almost always a whisper or two. People think raid tanks are big-brained players who are doing something really difficult. They're really not. Tanks play a different game during raids, but it's almost always easier than the game healers, and DPS must play. It's a super chill role to play in raids if a little dull.
The fun thing is, this being disrespectful, shaming people and bringing them down that's "supposed to only be in high-end guilds", is almost exclusively NOT in high end guilds. Because those guilds actually know how guilds work. Have you ever seen Max in Liquid shame or shittalk a raider? No, they're just vibing.
Main reason I stop playing classic wow everytime is because of the players. I've met some really awesome people through wow, but the amount of literal lukewarm IQ degens is staggering
Just to clarify, this video isn't talking about Hog Crankers or Sinners Domain, I purposely left the guild name out of the video as much as I could
What did you expect, joining guilds with those names?
@@Edvanhealen😂
I was in hog crankers in WOTLK they are pretty decent players. So I figured it wasn’t about them. 😂
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Warcraft Inc.
Once you joined a guild and start raiding or doing anything that drops loot. You realize why there's war in the world
That's why gdkp was best. Gear drops and everyone is like it's all yours bro take it
@@105Strike105 Then we realize why capitalism exists too. WoW, explaining world since 2004
@@105Strike105 Ah the system to trick idiots to do free labour. Where people bank points and new members can never catch up, as "priority" loot goes to whoever has the highest. Don't forget the "free" points leaders and officers get. The loot system being individual (before it forced loot option.. Horrible) was a blessing with strangers in pugs and shit guilds. And than they wonder "jeez, why won't anyone join our guild? It is just that they can't roll on anything and we 100 points ahead of them, so we can just "minbid" everything". No Gdkp was trash; it was made to trick gullible fools to "Show up" so the "most dedicated" would get all the loot; it was a system to get enough "goons" to fill the 40-man slot. It is as good as any "membership reward card" system with the same allure to make you feel good for at least getting some "points".
Or you could just be a proper guild that can just use "roll", and if someone got loot twice, gentleman agreement that they can be asked to give it to someone that got nothing (Spoiler: this is how you filter out the "rats". If they would pass up loot when they already got some for someone else, that is the guy you want in your main raid group. They respect people and are not being a selfish rat)
@@105Strike105 the concept of GDKPs is so fucking dogshit unless you're either buy gold or actively farm it. If you only raid-log on one toon finding a good soft-res pug in your server is literally superior in every way plus doesn't promote RMT. I'd rather lose my item to unlucky rolls than to some cunt who pay2wins a 20 year old game.
@@105Strike105 GDKP exposes a few things with these toxic casual boomerdad/classic andy redditors type (and they're intrinsically linked). One is that they hardcore seethe about a system that directly incorporate accountability into what you get out of it, and the other is that they still idolized raid gear/loot as the be all end all reward of raiding, which is why they hardcore seethe about the "goldbuying oiler" boogieman buying all of their BIS loots. They miss the "good old days" where they can mooch from the people that put in the work and get fed their trophies off the luck of the draw, and forcing accountabilities and expecting basic performance level is """optimizing the fun out of the game""""". The goldbuying oiler boogieman also is a reflection of their work ethic, they can't envision having gold without buying, because obviously how much they have is the standard for all players (playing the AH is also for sweats).
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We bout to sleep good 🤌😴
> long
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@@shabadabadabada5133this dude needs subway surfers in the background to watch shorts.
@@shabadabadabada5133 3 inches is MASSIVELY long.
Madseasonbros rise up
@@shabadabadabada5133 enough to fall asleep to.
Many wow players are the biggest adults losers I have ever come across
dota 2 players too xd imagen playing game half of your life and never improve yourself xD
all video games have these people it is not exclusive to wow, but it is heavy in MMOs as these people are trapped in escapism and addictive behavior. they are almost always enabled by family members and likely abusive towards those enablers. you can tell this by how they handle any conflict at all in the game world. it is exponentially worse in their real life
@Ruintek Nah, it is ESPECIALLY the case for WoW, any game that is the biggest in their genre is going to attract the biggest no life, no skill losers.
Just wait until you find out about second life or FFXIV.
It's not so bad. I used to play EVE Online like 10 years ago and it was 100x worse than what's described in this video. The "control freak" mentality was turned up to an 11. They justify it with the fact that PVP losses in EVE are permanent, but there are no stakes high enough in a video game to justify that kind of behavior.
Hearing you talk about the interpersonal drama and shockingly low levels of social aptitude from middle aged people reminded me of my first major guild experience way back in WotLK. It was a guild called Dark Resurrection on the Trollbane server and the entire officer crew was entirely made up of early 40's to 50's people. I remember one officer would often throw temper tantrums in guild chat that not enough people responded to her and nobody was ever happy to see her log on, and one day began randomly kicking people, including raiders, during one such tantrum. She absolutely hated someone that became a close friend of mine in the guild because she was a straight up better healer than her. In this same guild we also had a 50 year old woman leave her husband to move in with another guild member in his late 20's, and another pair of people in their 40's leave their respective partners to also hook up. One lady was way too willing to discuss fetish stuff openly in the guild chat (often talked about how much she loved being flogged, she was in her 50's btw) The guild leader quit because he got bored of the game and left the guild to his wife, who was even more incompetent than he was. I remember trying to do ToC, and just strafing to avoid the yeti charging and one shotting you was more mechanics than any of the officers were capable of. The close friends I had made in that guild, most of whom I'm still very close with today and who were the only fairly competent raiders all gave notices to the GM's wife that we had decided to move on but would leave our alts and still be willing to help out with the raids if they needed us, but the next day I logged on and another friend still in the guild told me she had logged on that morning and saw our mails and that we had left and had a meltdown on Ventrilo and kicked our alts and anyone she even thought was friends with any of us. Again, this was a lady well into adulthood. But like you said, at least we still have the friends we were able to make back then, and it's always fun to reminisce about these super odd microcosms of mid-life crisis condensed into an MMO!
Holy shit thats absolutely wild, you could make an entire video about that honestly
it's funny that you're talking about women exclusively while i'm positive everyone has a hundred times more stories to tell about manchildren
@@Arkain89 Because observing maladjusted manchildren throwing temper tantrums surprises no one. The social expectation is that women will be more responsible, it's a double standard, get with the program.
@@Arkain89 Women can act like children too. This is their experience they are sharing.
@@johnathan5906 thank you for this useless reaction that i will hang on the fridge
In my guild in 2020 Classic Era, our GM was absolutely hammered during every raid. Our loot system was entirely GM-led, who would decide based on ?? who deserved each piece of loot. The decisions became more unpredictable the more drunk he became.
Typically raids ended with him crying hysterically about people's criticisms. At the end of the night it was a race to leave the Discord ASAP so's not to be the last one on channel with him and get ensnared in his gin-drunk hysterical tyrades.
It was a wonderful time and I'd do it again.
as someone that only cries when drunk, that guy needed help, unfortunate that he was the gm because that probably made it impossible for anyone to help him for fear of being kicked.
@@eatme123-g8y Valid point. I did encourage him to seek help, which I believe he did in the end (redacted that from the story).
I used to be this type of guy like 4 years ago, hope he's doing better now.
I joined back in légion my formerly top 10-50 guild in the World with the guys from past eras just doing chill heroic raiding. Half the raid was stoned/drunk including me, it was very chill and no drama. Turns out it matters much more who IS doing it, than the action of doing it. Of course this Is a group of former hardcore players that are actually good AT the game.
my experience with "leveling and PvP" guilds is that the majority of them are just a cult of personality around the officers, they are like a high school lunch room, filled with drama, and cliques.
the RL/GM you talk about in this video, every one of these guilds has one, and most of the time they have some kind of substance abuse problem, and think the louder they talk the more right they are
Reminds me of Donald Trump
Rather have mean tweets than bad economy, inflation, and Biden’s near WW3
that and they always bring of politics out of nowhere, so cringe like we can't just play the game and talk mechanics without getting pissed at real life
@@Giggles4692things were better and much cheaper under Obama, does that mean trump messed up the economy?
King Batman Trump has never taken a sip of the naughty water@@Forsaken66666
Guild drama is the most nostalgic part of WoW for me. No matter how much wow changes, I always love to see that there’s still people that rage at this game, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
I’m glad you were able to find a new guild asap and I hope that guild is 1000% better and more chill than what you went through.
Yeah I personally love it. It's not like any of the drama matters, they're just people on the world wide web who I'll never meet
Last guild i was in reminded me why I don't do guilds anymore. Tl;dr, the guild leader turned out to be a total creep.
SOD is the most toxic environment I’ve ever been in other than league of legends.
Ever try SOD battlegrounds? Insufferable.
@@DavidJames-g5f yeah it’s literally the worst I hate SOD. And it’s literally only because of the people that play it
@@RansomtheRich They all just give up and say "It's a pre-made". Then give up. Then a few are like FU loser, we're fighting. This is every fkin BG I was in. Then the entire BG you are told what a moron you all are and how pathetic you are, even if you are winning. Then when you tell these pieces of shit to stfu they report you from multiple accounts and then your account is banned. Yea, done. I couldn't fkin run from this game fast enough. It is the definition of Cancer. Such a shame, the game is awesome but the community is such shit.
I've had worse experience in SoD than league, least in league its over after 30-40 minutes.
it really attracts the worst in the playerbase for a number of reasons. were it not for a solid core of friends from SoM/wrath forming my guild i would have quit ages ago
The personality to make officer channels, have them locked, but make them visible...
Can we get some of the juicy discord clips. Old school skype and vent rage clips are the best.
Yes please. I need to hear this rage
"Casual elitism" is vey much a toxic profile of player in nostalgia fuelled games
those discords are weird, a million tabs no one posts in.
except their awful food posts
If this was retail mythic raiding I'd say healer prep is decent to go over damage events, assigning cooldown timings in the spreadsheet, things like that. But this is a level 45 leveling dungeon ffs 💀
Bro. The detail of dropping the "hey i kinda sperged re: discord" disclaimer and time skip... idk how to quite word this. But it is just a brilliant and "care about my audience" move. I see you.
i love the discord section of this specific video so much xD
Im sorry gamer, i only have tiny heals and tiny dps 😢
stop making me laugh
you are now officially banned from leveling guilds!
You blinked wrong and now you are at lost xp/hr or dps.
For this transgression you will find yourself castrated tomorrow morning.
as the years go by, often i wonder what the goblins are up to in these hallowed forgotten realms of classic wow, thank you for the update sir
17:30 this is unbelievably common I have watched housewives literally destroy there marriage over online young dudes.....some even underage wow is a bastion for disgruntled housewives/unhappy husbands.
When I got 80 in Wrath Classic I wanted to raid, so I whispered the 3rd guild ad in trade chat.
Somehow this turned out to be one of the best guilds i've ever randomly joined. Small group of IRL friends mixed with their longtime online buddies and a few randoms like me. They raided twice a week, were chill, and actually prioritized giving gear to members that needed it. I was the only Ret pally so I got beefy within a few weeks. Raids went super smooth as the GM and the officers were absolute pumpers. We went all the way to Ulduar 25 man, cleared it a few times, then the guild just died overnight.
Not even upset, it was the best feverdream of a guild ive had since OG Wrath days.
As soon as I saw the dreamy sheep I knew it's gonna be a good video ❤
Also funny u use the guard icon as a pointer
Hahahahaha I was in this guild!! Warcraft Inc on Wild Growth. Did one sunken temple with them and holy shit it was a shit show. Got the hell out of dodge.
i love how you put in the failed attempts at solo farming XD
I started doing classic with a leveling guild that wanted to transition to a raiding guild, but I knew it was doomed simply because I was literally the only tank in the guild. Any dungeon that the guild wanted to do as a full guild run, I HAD to be there. I wanted to DPS but I knew in the first few weeks, tanks would be hard to come by and I was promised we would get replacements so I could DPS.
We recruit another Warrior and I thought the weight on my shoulders would be over, I would actually be able to take breaks without the guild dying, but no, he promised he would tank but resigned himself for DPS. And even if he did tank, he refused to make a tank set and was also just really really bad.
I eventually just burned out because I felt like I had to live in the game to get anything going. I had the classic blunder of being too competent at a role I was just filling for and got stuck.
Not to mention, the GM wanted to bring back DKP, make DKP charts for random fill ins, and no matter how many times we protested, he refused to budge from this. And no, he himself didn't want to manage it with no volunteers.
Hey, at least their characters have really interesting back stories.
the Dynasty Warriors edit warranted a subscribe for sure
I’ve never joined a leveling guild this is very insightful and informative thank you 🙏
I played SOD during Phase 1 as Rogue and got to max level and started raiding BFD. I missed the first two wipes when the raid opened, but I got put into a raid group that had already cleared the raid in the week prior. I'm a previous mythic raider in retail and the mechanics and raid were pretty easy, I had watched videos but was seeing the mechanics for the first time so first kill was to learn for me. But the raid was already on farm status and everyone just came to parse on the fights and get loot. I was one of two "Kicks" (spell interrupts) for the Kelris fight. My raid leader was a priest who could cleanse the Shadowy Chains debuff but wipe after wipe if there was a missed kick for whatever reason he would get really upset during the fight and flip out at me and would pull me into a private channel in discord after the fight to discuss it. He would demand Mind Blasts get kicked but also would rage if shadowy chains was missed. If the boss got moved and I would get sent into Kelris' phase 1 dream realm sleep phase thing, I wouldn't be able to kick chains, but our other interrupt would, but sometimes they would miss it since its a fast cast. Sometimes I was just coming out of the dream phase and had to sprint over and would barely miss it. Either way, raid and fights were easy and we had it farmed. I had to pull up warcraft logs and show him everyone else's mistakes or other issues that caused missed kicks - but it really wasnt a big deal at all, it was an easy fight/raid.
He was simply mad that he had to cleanse instead of heal for MUH PARSE. I played a little of phase 2 but didn't even attempt to raid with them, and got burned out when I realized my choice was raid with people like that or do the insanely poorly designed, laggy pvp event in STV. I quit.
Ugh man- That Discord gave me a damn migraine lmao. Even if it wasn’t Discord the STATE of that server was all I needed to see to know how fucked the guild was lmao
As someone who has been chewed up and spit out by so many guilds, this video really hit close to the mark. Great vid.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Classic WoW servers are just a retirement home for +35 yr old people who want to relieve the good ol' days in the worst ways possible
Wrong
agree 👍🏿
The amount of mass exodus events from a guild that I’ve logged on and experienced in a guild is ridiculous 😂.
Was an officer in a hardcore wow levelling guild and man I can tell you how insane that was 😂
WoW has always had a lot of ego attached. If it wasn't your gear it was your build, class choice, what mount you have, to how much time you have to play. Every guild experience I had in that game was negative, after a while I stopped joining them in any MMO.
this was oddly entertaining. you are good at telling stories.
I know that guild, it's Warcraft Inc - WildGrowth. Pyro is an Officier in that guild, and he is an elitist without the parse numbers. I left that guild since that guy was toxic to new guildies. And the GM thing is true too. The gm has a temper. He can be cool with you, but if you mess up a raid mechanic that gm will sht talk you down infront of everyone. He will make you feel stupid. But Pyro makes the guild look bad. Someone needs to tell him to humble himself with new guildies, and work on his parses. I was in the guild before, but left. If you are a legit raider, then don't raid with these guys. Too much politics, and favortism in that guild.
I was invited to the guild and someone named buffwhat was super nice and engaging but then she randomly left and I knew something was up.
If you let those NPCs make you feel stupid for ANY reason that's just on you lmao
Great video! Was a fun watch from the pov of someone that has similarly been through the experience of joining a leveling guild that scrambled to become a raiding guild once enough people hit max level.
Not sure why but this vid made me a bit nostalgic to go visit and be a voyeur in the degeneracy that is SOD leveling guilds on some alts lol. It’s fun to be an OT and just have a laugh once in awhile.
my old guild in black desert reminds me alot of this situation you were in lmfao thank god i didnt do anything large scale with them
This reminds me of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "Less is more"...
Well... I was in some guild where officer demoted me because did not wanted nothing with him to have even got message in inbox how he is tired of girls who want just to be friends with him xDDD But that was just peak of drama, shitshow was in that guild.
Not sure why this video was in my suggestions.
I found it pretty Entertaining tho!
Really encapsulate some of the madness of the guilds out there
Great video. Reminescent of my experience being a young teen playing wotlk not knowing any better lol
did that absolute madman actually parse ZERO on two encounters? thats actually impressive.
i so feel the "pump harder". bro im playing a dps class that has a grand total of zero dps cds, ill just hammer my keys extra hard for more dps now thx
I joined a mythic raid in remix a couple of weeks ago. Then all of a sudden I am raid leader and the original one left the group. People are asking me for invites ect. It was not untill after the 1st boss that I got some one attention in chat that I knew nothing about leading a raid ect.. they showed me how to hand it off to them and the rest goes smoothly because we are so over powered in remix. I only raided a few times in the last 20 years. I have seen guilds come and go and watch some implode and break up as a marriage fell apart in real life. Years ago I had some people be toxic so I have been uneasy doing raids ect. I do plan to raid in the next expansion because remix has given me some hope lol.
leveling guilds are exclusively useful for expansions with guild bonuses like in cata or mop
mass ress, less rep costs, more xp, rep, mount speed and more before you leave for a raiding guild
i cant comprehend why anyone would ever join these guilds for any other reason
well, ill finish this tomorrow becasue its 5:20 am
deathnote OST
20min video
Austin Power cameo
i like this already
This was hilarious. Thank you for posting it.
I just had an eerily close experience on retail for the past two weeks, great video it helped my sanity
I relate to this entirely, even though I play on EU servers. Also the weird parent in the second guild... except it was a father of kids and me being in my early 20s as a female RL. Made me so uncomfortable the entire time until I yelled at him one day to shut up and play the game and go back to his wife. Add the weirdo incels who'd hate on me and the guild for having a woman in leadership, and the desperate men who thought hitting on me would do something, even though my boyfriend was also on the raid team? Needless to say, after kicking and recruiting more people who'd end up being weird, I said goodbye to the guild, thanked the GM and officers for the good moments and achieving what we did, and quit SoD.
Just out of curiosity, was the people being weird to you happening in dm's or over voice? Just wondering because almost every raiding guild i've been in had women actively raiding, oftentimes also officers and once had a woman raidleader, never noticed anything you're describing
LOL hilarious! I never even considered raiding with a mass-invite guild.
Casual guilds are the worst. I played in almost all top 10 french guilds on retail, only 1 or 2 have actually a toxic athmosphere. On SoD I was casual, all fucking guilds were super toxic while being very bad at the game. That made me quit SoD.
Not all I created a few casual guilds on Classic and private servers and all went good chill.
Yea, that's one thing that nobody ever talks about when it comes to WoW, the creepy, thirsty af older/married women who go out of their way to treat WoW like it's E-Harmony.
love the rollercoaster tycoon music
I spent 3 years in the leveling guild - I didn't even know I was in guild
2019 classic release, leveling guilds were so much fun
Take me back to
I saw recruit spam for this guild a few weeks ago and instantly clocked them as toxic based only on the name. There’s a zero percent chance a guild called is filled with anything other than overgrown 13 year olds
I have WOW again after a few years and it is surprising how many big CHILDREN there are inside.
They have an ego that surprises me, people over 30 years old.
but full of people like that, with these shortcomings.
If you happen to be on wild growth us, consider joining Extra Sauce, friendly and helpfull oldschool vanilla casual mindset, with 2 st raids currently. Looking for members who are looking for more cooperative advancement focused gameplay.
McConnell in beginning? Watch out, he might get mad and holds abother 'uthers meeting'
WoW players are a special breed, after playing this game on vanilla through to end of Wotlk, I could see I wasn't the same person I was when I started playing, it's weird, and it's only until you stop playing the game you realize
I joined a mass invite leveling guild on cata classic purely because of the name and perks. I'm still in it for the name and it's nice to interact with the same folks everyday in guild chat. But one of the main things is keeping up with their attempts to become a real raid guild. Pretty similar to your story, I did one raid with them and quickly realized it wasn't my speed. But it's nice to watch them try to put together a raid team and kill bosses. A lot of the original officers gquit after their first raid attempt for god knows what reason. A boomer prot warrior who was pissed about not making the 'main' raid team stepped up and created a scheduled run that is now the main guild run. It is always perplexing to me that folks don't realize what kind of guild they are joining. If you're getting randomly invited and you see people constantly joining and leaving it's pretty apparent what kind of guild it's going to be. Nevertheless the folks who stuck around are persisting and killing bosses so good on em. I'll keep the name on my character and observe those crazy bastards.
Weirdest guild I was in was ran by a married couple with kids. One of the officers got with the guild leaders wife, I always wondered why the officer was online all hours in the day lol.
This video was like a drug into my veins
4:00 where is this music from, Diddy Kong Racing?
This makes me so glad I found an actually casual guild to raid with in vanilla classic, sure, some nights you don't fully clear ZG and sometimes a mage or a warlock takes your +healing items but it was a small price to pay for chill dudes and dudettes
this community is out of control it was bad in tbc vanilla wasn't so bad but watching SOD turn into a cesspit makes me glad i never bothered
so sad to see that new player run into this aholes, not knowing what great feeling it is to have a "good" guild. aswome video. super interessting topic.
I played SoD for like I dunno 2 months and it's the weirdest freaking people dude, lol.
This is why you avoid the mass invite guilds like the plague. There are casual levelling guilds that are worth joining but they're usually not using the mass invite addons. Mine was a lot of fun but sadly will likely be closing its own doors in the next few days as people's interests move on and we can't maintain the numbers for 20 player raiding. We certainly never had the kinds of problems you've displayed though. It's completely unnecessary to behave the way these people did.
Lmao nothing is more annoying in retail than doing a M+ or a raid on a guildless alt only to be met with guild auto invite spams in the middle of a boss.
I’ve always joined them when I start out to reap whatever guild benefits there are, after i max level I find a raiding or pvp guild.
with a name like I'm not sure what you expected from them
I never experienced guild drama. I always went into PvP guilds. Did the ranking journey and played with some really hardcore people. Myself I'm most definitely a casual but I have an affinity for PvP and I always get invited despite being a tad undergeared.
This being said, for me the wow community have always been a very enjoyable one. I honestly think the pve side of things get worse than the PvP community at least in classic era. The hate was always directed outward and never inward in the PvP guilds.. which was nice cus rivalry sprung out of it.
When you join an aimless guild, you get an aimless community.
Warcraft Inc was hilarious. I was talking to the GM in guild chat after he got his epic gnomer helm about bloodmoon and told him I was going to slap that helm off his head. Needless to say, I found him and ganked him lol. He didn't like me very much after that and I pressed him about it. Hilarious times.
Still watching the video, but at 9:40, I think the PvP sign ups are probably just trying to lightly rank up. It's been a long time since I've played SoD I admit (Quit the week before p2 and went back to FFXIV) but one thing I do remember was it has the new Vanilla honor system (can't derank without a DK) and a similar server I play that does a system like that where you can't unrank by decay sees that with some of the uber casual guilds. They just kind of group up with a handful and play BGs. They aren't good nor are they better than a pug, but the social atmosphere and semi-coordination giving an advantage nonetheless makes it more tolerable for players that don't like recreationally doing PvP to begin with and does end up being a pretty decent gear avenue for casuals given how good rank 14 gear is for melee and a lot of classes really when it comes to PvE.
SoD could completely change that, I've not really been paying attention to it since I've stopped playing but if the PvP gear is as good as it is in Vanilla comparatively and not just powercrept out of relevance entirely then that's probably what this is. When you remove the decay system and don't require no lifing the game for 3 solid months to get gear that in most cases is relevant into AQ40 and still really good for Naxx prog, a lot of casuals go that route because while stupid when it comes to the game, they perfectly understand how "a couple of hours a week with some friends gets me gear that makes me curbstomp all relevant PvE to me" is a very worthwhile investment. We had a crisis of this in TBC that is funnily hardly ever talked about. When guilds were still taking months to get through tier 4 there were a lot of players who made 5s teams, trashed 10 games then coasted for arena points then just pennied their way to having weapons comparable to weapons they weren't good enough as a guild to get by killing the bosses in order to trivialize said bosses giving them trouble. The term at the time was "Welfare Epics" and it was an ongoing mess of the PvE vs PvP mentalities back when these were becoming less of things everybody indulged and more of "this is a separate endgame entirely" complete with its associated tribalism. PvE players would point at PvP gear and say it was too easy to earn therefore not a real epic item. PvP players in turn would point at every trivial boss by 2007-2008 standards in a tier like Lurker Below Difficulty and Loot Reaver, Supremus, etc and say "Lol this is such an easy fight, how do you think your items take more skill to get than mine?" This ultimately culminated in personal requirements on gear, namely the weapons but then was adjusted to be on every piece of gear except gloves during season 4 because players were just hitting cap, doing bgs for their season 1 set then rushing off into tier 5 while they casually did arenas for higher tier pvp gear. Removing attunements ultimately was the bigger problem at play here and would have stopped it in its tracks... but Blizzard removed attunements when we got season 2, and the honor gear was still garbage blues at the time so nobody would've really seen this problem coming. It was a bunch of bad decisions adding up that kind of forever really drove in the growing divide of PVE and PVP progression and that the days of enjoying both in Vanilla that enchanted a lot of us were swiftly coming to a close.
Random tangent within a random tangent, when Blizzard removed attunements, a lot of guilds ended up disbanding across servers. Not because of protest, but because they gaslit themselves into thinking Magtheridon is just overtuned so they skipped tier 4 to go right into tier 5, Lurker was an easy fight, they saw it in videos so surely the rest are easy too... Then tanks get curbstomped because Hydross requires resist gear, guilds struggling with Maulgar having 5 targets are once again struggling coordinating on Fathom Lord where it's now even harder despite also being a pretty simple boss... Oh, and in a brilliant feat of scientific discovery they were the ones to discover months later that it was actually possible to wipe on Void Reaver. So it became a pretty common running gag with diehard PvP only players to mock the guilds that only ever seemed to do the free bosses in tier 5 and mysteriously couldn't enter Black Temple until 2.4 removed its attunement, or to roast people that tried to defend these bosses as being hard because their guild struggles with them. If you play retail, it's the equivalent to the reddit Mythic Raider that only has kills on the first two or three bosses on week 8 but tells everyone about how easy anything below Mythic is.
That being said, if you have something that's even more low effort than semi afking BGs like Naxxramas Trash farm then they tend to chase the weapons from there instead because it's much lower investment. Like every casual rogue and warrior would be wielding a servo arm and harbinger of doom (epic offhand dagger) while rocking questing greens level of tomfuckery then that epic 40 str chestpiece.
FK SoD man, I went back to standard classic and classic hardcore and I feel alive again, SoD i full od wackos, no thanks.
Biggest fail in any discord is having channels like this and it is so common, same guilds usually have 6-7 officers in a 20man raid team xD
Every single webpage for each class discord as a seperate channel
Wowhead/whatever channels
33 voice channels with 3 being the max ever in use
A channel that people occasionally wave in when they join + welcome + rules + events + suggestions up top.
I remember when I joined my very first guild at the start of Cata.. I was trailing in gear level by quite a bit as I hadn't don't higher end raiding yet.. in the spirit of wanting to join in the main content with the guild, I asked if a little bit of time could be put aside so I could catch up and join them. I was told that they didn't have time for that, despite the expac had been out for 1.5 years so there's no world first left etc..
This same guild was advertising for new players too, which means they had to expect under geared players, surely.
This is the classic experience lol.... 50dkp minus handle it 😅
Classic always feels really hit or miss when it comes to douche bags. As a person in their 40's it really is typically my age group. Like they think they are better due to years of gaming but then they also almost all quit retail when content became actually challenging lol. Then will tell you about their classic parses .... Like I play pretty much every version of the game so I'm not throwing shade. Just comes off so super hilarious when you actually come from doing even just things like mid end keys or heroic raiding in current retail. People in that actual content aren't nearly as toxic.
This sounds like every guild. It’s why I don’t raid, not chill at all.
Same, I don’t raid and don’t join guilds because of people like this, ruin the experience for literally everyone
This was fascinating. That GM style was very common in early wow, and I think the people that run guilds that way do it because they're stuck in the past.
I didn't clue into that I was in this guild until I saw the discord raid channels. This was one of the worst guilds I've ever been apart of, I didn't last a month.
sociopathic guild master is what world of warcraft is about!!
I joined a guild that has a husband and wife raid lead/guild GMS and they are super chill great progression guild and raids are fun even if we wipe and have a bad night for the most part we laugh it off. Easily the best group of players I’ve played with on the game I breath of fresh air in the classic cataclysm era
Dynasty warriors mentioned? take my like.
I was invested! Good video
hog crankers is a great name though
Some people will never mature but often think of themselves as very mature. Not many are aware of their own immaturity.
I met people in their teens that were more mature than others in their 30's and beyond. And I'm not talking about something like childlike playfulness but more the negative sides of childish immaturity.
While I had guild drama to a certain degree, it was never on this level. It was stuff like a person getting a raid spot all of the time for no apparent reason even though he constantly went AFK mid-fight in raids. He had and was getting more good gear all the time because he had lots of DKP from always getting taking along, but was bottom of the barrel performance wise. New members, that were outclassing him, were not able to get gear as they couldn't compete in DKP. I felt bad for the new gal of the same class and spec them him, who was really good at for what gear she was still using that I spoke with the leadership but nothing came out of it. I left the guild after warning them beforehand that I would if I don't see them taking concerns like this serious. Oh the "please stay"s I was getting then... It was like this guy was getting participation trophies...
Back in vanilla, around the release of Naxx, we also had multiple members leave our guild (actually an alliance of 3 guilds but effectively we saw us as one) to form a "super raid guild" with members of another guild. Of cause behind ours and the rest of the other guild's backs. They claimed to only take the "best" but I guess being female was enough to count, as they took a female keyboard turner along, who couldn't even do her own hunter epic quest chain but had someone else do it for her (after they split off from our guild, he told me as I was always chatting with him - he was from the other guild).
Besides these things I saw small time "drama" (nothing too bad) and guilds dying without much drama. I also only joined guilds where I knew the people (from playing together on different occasions) or where the invite was personal and friendly. Getting invites without or with copy pasta texts will be ignored.
I haven't been in a guild in modern WoW for years (also stopped playing) and the last one was for WoW Classic. The community didn't change for the better, incl. some people from back in the day. Oh the Paladins wanting cloth caster items with "but it's BiS!" was driving me insane. Back in the day the only time someone wanted armor items that were not for plate for warriors for example was the Crown of Destruction in MC but it was shot down with "you can have it if no other mail wearer has need".
While I enjoyed doing dungeons in WoW Classic with people that didn't play for years and came back out of nostalgia, I really dislike what dungeon runs with random people have become in general. Too effing lazy even for common courtesies like greetings...
Nowadays, i really dont find any enjoyment in any guilds. Im sticking to solo for now.
i love applying for a sweaty raid and doing level 5 dps
dont join guilds, just gank their alts and become a server legend.
this is why the game after 19 years is still fun for me :)
I once griefed world buffs and passed on BiS pre raid loot which got me kicked out of exactly such a guild, logged in half a year later and people were still angry about it.
Got blacklisted on every discord on the server.
Wow is truly the best game for living out your worst life.
And if you don't leave a single piece of cheese or mushroom in the solid chests you find, just so the next person who finds it gets disapointed, i cant take you seriously as a wow player, becouse it means you take yourself serious as a wow player🤡
Please help
2:08 - 2:20 (prox)
Names of the showed addons on screen.
Show damage done by skill spells in a upscaling way?
Debuffs over enemies.
Debuff specific timer?? O. The middle left of the screen.
Sorry bout my eng.
Help heros of gaming (o'.')=O
The tank raid prep has to be the blandest channel ever. Main tanks and co-tanks rarely need to coordinate together. It's only really needed when content is new or one of them is unsure about the strategy they used last week, but even in those cases, it's almost always a whisper or two.
People think raid tanks are big-brained players who are doing something really difficult. They're really not. Tanks play a different game during raids, but it's almost always easier than the game healers, and DPS must play. It's a super chill role to play in raids if a little dull.
People not acting right in an extremely niche mode in a dying game? No way....
Good video I was hoping to hear some of their discord comms.
The fun thing is, this being disrespectful, shaming people and bringing them down that's "supposed to only be in high-end guilds", is almost exclusively NOT in high end guilds. Because those guilds actually know how guilds work. Have you ever seen Max in Liquid shame or shittalk a raider? No, they're just vibing.
Main reason I stop playing classic wow everytime is because of the players. I've met some really awesome people through wow, but the amount of literal lukewarm IQ degens is staggering