Dave thank you for the videos! Showing in detail how the Mara X comes to temperature helped me decide it's perfect for my needs. I was able to jump on the December batch of orders from 1st Line in the US and mine arrived today. "Mara X"mas to me!
So could I theoretically just keep pulling shots at a stable temp as long as I don't wait the 5 mins. I regularly have 6 people over, this machine could pull 6 shots in a row with stable and accurate temp? Also, is the steam power enough to properly fold 250ml of milk? And if so, could I steam three times in a row to make 6 lattes? Sorry for all the questions but I'm about to dump a lot of money on this and want to be sure it can handle it haha.
It can do shots in a row, although the first shot will be the most accurate...I did do a table in the written review, to give you wait times. Check it out. coffeeequipmentreviews.wordpress.com/2020/03/10/lelit-marax-review-in-progress/#specific-temps
Hi Dave! First and foremost, thank you for the content. I was wondering how the Lelit will react temperature wise, if I pull a or multiple shots, leave it on for let’s say 20/30 minutes and then want to pull another series of shot. Will the temperature rise a lot, and then needed to cool down again? I have seen your videos, and I don’t think this is explained
I think I did a guidance chart. coffeeequipmentreviews.wordpress.com/2020/03/10/lelit-marax-review-in-progress/ It is for the machine that came before the latest one and had HX Mode and Espresso boost mode. Now you have xmode coffee (espresso only) and the other mode which is the espresso boost mode. My review is more relevant for that other mode rather than Xmode coffee...which was my idea, as I thought HX mode wasn't so useful.
Hi Dave, Been following your UA-cam for some time and your comments via several forums. You seem to be a expert on Lelit Mara X, so I figured I’d ask here. My machine has been experiencing very long warm up times (roughly 35-45 minutes; in order to get 2 solid pilot lights). For a while my steam pressure seemed inconsistent too. I took the machine to be serviced by the supplier. They mentioned the vacuum breaker valve had some calcification (they figured this was the source to my issues). After bringing my machine home my warm up times remain very long (steam seems to be a bit better, but nothing drastic). I am wondering what could be the cause. Bad electric wire? Bad sensor somewhere? Supplier suggested I check my outlet. However, I tried a new outlet and machine took a long time still to stop blinking. A weird glitch is that if I shut off the machine for a couple seconds and turn it back on, the pilot lights then solid upon the reboot. Not sure if you have a clue but wondering if maybe you could point me to some leads.
Thanks Dave for your videos and in general for your contributions to the home barista community. I have a question regarding the new X mode Coffee in the Mara X V2. Does the group temperature remain stable after leaving the machine alone for more than 5 minutes? I can see that in V1’s brew mode the temperature does climb up after 5 minutes so I was wondering if things are now different with the new X Mode Coffee. I pull only double espressos and tend to take my time to sip my coffee in between shots. Thanks!
X-mode coffee is the pure espresso mode I asked them to design instead of pure HX mode (I found that useless). I also asked them to increase the duration of steam boost in the other mode. So yes the temps remain stable, but of course you don't get much steam. So enjoy your coffee between shots in X-mode, no problem.
Hello, Thank you for all your great videos. I would like to ask you a question. I have been using a lelit mara x for 3 weeks on which I have installed a probe thermometer on the group, I do not use the eco mode which caused the temperature to fluctuate too much. Since yesterday I have a big temperature problem, on the temperature range "0" so 90 to 92 ° C my machine does not go below 96 ° C during the extraction. Normally the machine remains stable whatever the time it remains on at 89 to 90°C (group temperature) and 91 to 92°C extraction temperature. I use always filtered water and it is backflushed. I hope I was clear enough and that the translation is not too bad. I contacted customer service for my machine but any help would be appreciated. If you have an idea, thank you in advance.
@@DaveCorbey from what i observed watching your video, if the Mara x stays in idle mode it builds up brewing temperature (at least after a series of pulling espressos - don't know about the initial startup of the machine) due to longer exposure to HX steam and you have 2 options: either leave it for approx. 15 min to cool down on it's own or "help" it with a flush. Lelit's credit is for creating a system that will allow you to pull espresso shots within 3 - max 4 min in between with the same ~ controlled temperature (VS rest of the market with zero control). Cedric mentioned that "normally the machine remains stable [ref to temperature] whatever the time ..." but this in is in contradiction with what we saw in the video. Because of the video i believe your version. Coming back to Cedric's issue, sounds like he only has to flush some water out of the group to lower the temp and get into the max 4 mins in between cycle. Or am I missing something? (btw i am looking to buy a new machine : Mara vs Elizabeth. I do espresso shots 90%. Is the quality of the espresso the same between the two of them in your opinion? :) ) Many thanks
I have the same issue with my Mara X V2, only one week old. In coffee priority mode, if you leave it for >4 mins after the last shot, the temperature will rise well above 96 or more. Takes about 15mins to stabilize, flushing won‘t help as it seems to throw off the system even more…
@@pescheeis it due to design of the Mara that it needs to boost temperature after four minutes so that you can steam milk or is it inherently feature of hx machines which you cant disable?
@@Ericsnuus Not sure if boosting is specific to E61 HX machines, since they all overheat which is why you have to do cooling flushes. But I guess in this instance, it is specific to the Mara X and its brew mode.
Thank you again for your video! so if I need to make 2 double latte in a row I need to make 2 espresso shots in 1-3 minutes? Or if I late wait for about 15 minutes?
No just make the lattes as normal in 1-4 minutes. If in between shots, you let too much time elapse e.g. 4 minutes, then you have to wait for the machine to cool down again...
Hey Dave. Sorry I dont get it. 🙈 I've the following issue and dont know how to handle this. When I start my routine in the morning and wait about 25 minutes after I start the maschine, I take the first shot with about 91 degree in position 0 which is fine i think. The steam bar presure was between 1 and 1,5 when I take this first shot. Then i prepare the second one and start the shot about 4 minutes after the first one; the steam preasure is an exact 1,5 and the degree jumps to 95/96 then. Like you shown here. Which is too hot and quite different to the first shot and the wished 91 degree. What can i do to meet also 91 degree on the second shot. Hope Somebody can help, cause i dont get an answer in any blogs. ^^ 😊
Remember that the brew temperature won't be as hot as that as the HX refills with cold water which has to heat, I don't know what version you have or your settings. If you post on our forum, you will get help and replies. coffeetime.freeflarum.com/
I am new to HX and I need to decide what is right for me. What is the correlation between boiler pressure and water temperature for brew? As I understand, when the boiler pressure is high that mean the heating element is active and the water temperature will be too high. But I can control that? Read the boiler pressure from the gauge and if it's too high just do a flush until it drops and then brew? I am an espresso guy, the only reason I will choose a HX is for my girlfriend (who needs one ?) and for other people that visit me. But I want to know for sure if I can control the temperature precisely for espresso.
It's great to see these tests carried out and makes the decision to purchase a Mara X so much easier. What is the OPV set to for this machine? Do you just leave it at 10 Bar and 'set and forget'?
Yes you can leave it at 10 or drop it to 9.5 or 9 if you want. Some people even go lower but I think 9 is good as a minimum. Then as you say, just forget about it and enjoy the machine. Adjustment is easy to do once the case is off.
Hi Dave, what happen if you use steam for cappuccino just after brewing a coffee ? Is the temperature will be fine after waiting 60 secondes for another shot ?
Yes, as long as you don't wait like 3 or 4 more minutes, it's OK, of course the longer the gap the hotter the shot. You might also find this helpful coffeeequipmentreviews.wordpress.com/2020/03/10/lelit-marax-review-in-progress/#specific-temps
@@DaveCorbey I'm on a question frenzy :) ... Mara X , because it's a HX, it always has steam "prepared" , right? i mean , you can pull a shot of espresso and froth milk after 1 min, right ? actually, can you do both at the same time, brew and froth? 2nd scenario: pull an espresso, after 1 min froth the milk for a latte. Would you say that the following is true: due to the steam used to froth, the water - brewing-, inside the pipe that passes through the middle of the radiator (inside the machine) gets some extra C degrees in the process ? if so, if you would want to pull a 2nd shot of espresso after only 2 mins (so < 3-max 4 mins cycle) you would have a higher than needed brew temp (due to the steam from the frothing) and it's mandatory to :1. wait 15 mins for it to cool down on it's own or 2. flush some water ? Many thanks
I think the two degrees is fine, but if you read the written review you'll see that with a small flush you can actually get those 1 degree increments. I made a little table.
When talking about different roasts of beans and temperature. I’d like to know if in real life one actually makes these changes for every new coffee roast one tries out or maybe real life is more a standard temperature “ one sets . And if not, what type of beans are worse with Mara for example than with a PID machine where you set exact temperature like with Elizabeth?
Yes when I started looking I didn’t start with Lelit on the radar at all. But it was featured on a large coffee equipment distributor website. I was 😯 after reading about it and watching many reviews. The price actually seems about $500+ less than its competitors and it also has more intelligent temperature monitoring than machines $1000 more expensive. (Here in Australia that is) I am unaware of any other HX machine with a computer controlled twin thermo probe temp management system. Especially not for less than $3k
Of course, the temperature control is good and even better since that video as I asked for some improvements to the software now implemented by Lelit on the V2 MaraX
Hi Dave, i changed my gicar v2 for better temperatures stability but i can see with my thermometer sensor temperature increase after a shot to 93°in 96°C (position 1), mode 0 coffee priority. After temperature decrease very slowly.. Any idea?
Not until I finally upgrade my MaraX. I have not had time to do this due to other projects. Check on our forum though as a few users are discussing this. coffeetime.freeflarum.com/
Not easily, you could treat it a bit like an HX but even then that wouldn't be quite the same as the boiler will have cooled. I think either make all the coffees one after another with the appropriate short wait times, or if you leave it too long just wait the required short time for it to stabilise again. I think this is why there is still a place for dual boiler machines like the Bianca etc.. for certain users.
@@DaveCorbey Thank you very much for clarifying. I'll take it as a given. Still the Mara X is technically what I'd hoped it would be. Small and smart. The bianca is too big for my profile. Maybe I should wait for your Elizabeth v2 review, even though I'm not sure about the small boilers.
@@DaveCorbey Couldn't you just turn off the economy mode to avoid this issue? I'd keep it on to save power but I understand that it would take a little time to get back up to temp when utilizing this function.
@@durkadur27 The problem with economy mode is the machine cools down between coffees and the next time you want a coffee you have a 20-25 minute wait. Seeing as it costs less than 25p per day to run it all day for 15 hours, I prefer to keep it on when I'm at home.
Hi Dave, very nice video indeed! Just one question: How did you build your temperature measuring portafilter? Looks like it is not a Scace (which is very expensive) but it works the same way. Always want to build something like this myself to do these measurements but did not find any good DIY manual. Doing this with a real coffee puck and a K-Thermocouple is always a mess and gives unreliable results.
I built it about 16 years ago, long before the Scase was around, it is in fact closer to a Scace II than the original scace. I made a simulated coffee bed and place the thermocouple 3mm inside it, via a hole and a nut/bolt with a hole in it, in the side of an inner steel basket, that I sealed up so it couldn't blow out under 9 bar pressure. The flow rate has to approximate a coffee puck ans the permeability of the medium has to be similar. I use a packed polyester to do this and it tool a long time to get right. I built it because back then no one was testing the temp of prosumer kit, except me!
I'm torn between this and Elizabeth. Does anybody know if the temperature stays stable as demonstrated here, when pulling like, e.g. double espresso, milk, wait 2 min, double espresso, milk, wait 2 mind, double espresso, double espresso, milk? Will this work or is it better to get the Elizabeth?
If I stated it can, it can because I tested it., in fact now you have coffee mode and steam boost mode (they removed HX mode), for even better stability for pure espresso. You would use steam boost mode for your work pattern and as long as you don't wait too long, it will do what you want.
I don't believe I will personally will ever use STP but this way they have catered for everyone, even those who say I want it to work like a normal HX, perhaps because they want to make Latte after latte for a whole massive group of people...Even then I still don't think I would use it, unless I wanted to use a much faster steam tip for the same large group?
I don't yet understand why the machine gets too hot if you wait longer than 4 minutes after a shot. But if you wait longer than 15 minutes, or less than 4 minutes, it would be at right temperature. Unfortunately I didn't understand some of the audio (my english isn't so good).
@@DaveCorbeyThis has been extremely educational video. For the future versions of the machine could Lelit disable steam boost altogether for true coffee priority mode or is this something which happens due to design of hx machines? Or for example increase time window before steam pressure is bumped up.
I don’t see an advantage from this System. Because when you wanna have another shot after 5 min you need to wait. On normal machines you do the cooling flush whenever you want a Shot and you are good to go. Or am I wrong?
@@DaveCorbey But Dave, just a few lines up (on my screen anyway) in your reply to MaxBas you said it's not easy to flush the brew temp down because it's not the same as a typical HX. Now in your reply to this fellow you seem to be on the other side of the fence. I've just put in an order for a Mara X and have about a 6 week wait. Thanks for your vids BTW, very informative!
@@GlenEdwards the situation wouldn't occur very often but the difference is only that you flush down a group at a slightly different temp depending on how long it's left. This would depend on how many minutes and where the current boiler temp is. You can basically learn how much you need to do.
Does anyone have a MaraX that builds op the steam pressure to the max first time around? Seems common issue. Went back for repair, but after repair still now and then has the issue. Only difference is that it does cool down, if you let it sit for a while.
I am afraid not from me as I don't speak Spanish well enough. I don't believe people do reviews quite the same way I do but someone in Spain must have reviewed the machine?
I only realised after I filmed it and wasn't going to reshoot it. It is gum and I won't make the same mistake again. Too late to spit it out now, it went in the bin long ago ;)
Dave thank you for the videos! Showing in detail how the Mara X comes to temperature helped me decide it's perfect for my needs. I was able to jump on the December batch of orders from 1st Line in the US and mine arrived today. "Mara X"mas to me!
So could I theoretically just keep pulling shots at a stable temp as long as I don't wait the 5 mins. I regularly have 6 people over, this machine could pull 6 shots in a row with stable and accurate temp?
Also, is the steam power enough to properly fold 250ml of milk? And if so, could I steam three times in a row to make 6 lattes?
Sorry for all the questions but I'm about to dump a lot of money on this and want to be sure it can handle it haha.
It can do shots in a row, although the first shot will be the most accurate...I did do a table in the written review, to give you wait times. Check it out. coffeeequipmentreviews.wordpress.com/2020/03/10/lelit-marax-review-in-progress/#specific-temps
Hi Dave!
First and foremost, thank you for the content.
I was wondering how the Lelit will react temperature wise, if I pull a or multiple shots, leave it on for let’s say 20/30 minutes and then want to pull another series of shot. Will the temperature rise a lot, and then needed to cool down again?
I have seen your videos, and I don’t think this is explained
I think I did a guidance chart. coffeeequipmentreviews.wordpress.com/2020/03/10/lelit-marax-review-in-progress/ It is for the machine that came before the latest one and had HX Mode and Espresso boost mode. Now you have xmode coffee (espresso only) and the other mode which is the espresso boost mode. My review is more relevant for that other mode rather than Xmode coffee...which was my idea, as I thought HX mode wasn't so useful.
Hi Dave,
Been following your UA-cam for some time and your comments via several forums. You seem to be a expert on Lelit Mara X, so I figured I’d ask here.
My machine has been experiencing very long warm up times (roughly 35-45 minutes; in order to get 2 solid pilot lights). For a while my steam pressure seemed inconsistent too.
I took the machine to be serviced by the supplier. They mentioned the vacuum breaker valve had some calcification (they figured this was the source to my issues). After bringing my machine home my warm up times remain very long (steam seems to be a bit better, but nothing drastic).
I am wondering what could be the cause. Bad electric wire? Bad sensor somewhere?
Supplier suggested I check my outlet. However, I tried a new outlet and machine took a long time still to stop blinking. A weird glitch is that if I shut off the machine for a couple seconds and turn it back on, the pilot lights then solid upon the reboot. Not sure if you have a clue but wondering if maybe you could point me to some leads.
Thanks Dave for your videos and in general for your contributions to the home barista community. I have a question regarding the new X mode Coffee in the Mara X V2. Does the group temperature remain stable after leaving the machine alone for more than 5 minutes? I can see that in V1’s brew mode the temperature does climb up after 5 minutes so I was wondering if things are now different with the new X Mode Coffee. I pull only double espressos and tend to take my time to sip my coffee in between shots. Thanks!
X-mode coffee is the pure espresso mode I asked them to design instead of pure HX mode (I found that useless). I also asked them to increase the duration of steam boost in the other mode. So yes the temps remain stable, but of course you don't get much steam. So enjoy your coffee between shots in X-mode, no problem.
@@DaveCorbey that’s awesome . Thank you very much for your quick reply! Sincerely appreciated from Singapore.
Hello,
Thank you for all your great videos. I would like to ask you a question. I have been using a lelit mara x for 3 weeks on which I have installed a probe thermometer on the group, I do not use the eco mode which caused the temperature to fluctuate too much. Since yesterday I have a big temperature problem, on the temperature range "0" so 90 to 92 ° C my machine does not go below 96 ° C during the extraction. Normally the machine remains stable whatever the time it remains on at 89 to 90°C (group temperature) and 91 to 92°C extraction temperature. I use always filtered water and it is backflushed. I hope I was clear enough and that the translation is not too bad. I contacted customer service for my machine but any help would be appreciated. If you have an idea, thank you in advance.
It might be a temperature sensor problem, best to contact your retailer.
@@DaveCorbey from what i observed watching your video, if the Mara x stays in idle mode it builds up brewing temperature (at least after a series of pulling espressos - don't know about the initial startup of the machine) due to longer exposure to HX steam and you have 2 options: either leave it for approx. 15 min to cool down on it's own or "help" it with a flush. Lelit's credit is for creating a system that will allow you to pull espresso shots within 3 - max 4 min in between with the same ~ controlled temperature (VS rest of the market with zero control). Cedric mentioned that "normally the machine remains stable [ref to temperature] whatever the time ..." but this in is in contradiction with what we saw in the video. Because of the video i believe your version. Coming back to Cedric's issue, sounds like he only has to flush some water out of the group to lower the temp and get into the max 4 mins in between cycle. Or am I missing something? (btw i am looking to buy a new machine : Mara vs Elizabeth. I do espresso shots 90%. Is the quality of the espresso the same between the two of them in your opinion? :) ) Many thanks
I have the same issue with my Mara X V2, only one week old. In coffee priority mode, if you leave it for >4 mins after the last shot, the temperature will rise well above 96 or more. Takes about 15mins to stabilize, flushing won‘t help as it seems to throw off the system even more…
@@pescheeis it due to design of the Mara that it needs to boost temperature after four minutes so that you can steam milk or is it inherently feature of hx machines which you cant disable?
@@Ericsnuus Not sure if boosting is specific to E61 HX machines, since they all overheat which is why you have to do cooling flushes. But I guess in this instance, it is specific to the Mara X and its brew mode.
Thank you again for your video! so if I need to make 2 double latte in a row I need to make 2 espresso shots in 1-3 minutes? Or if I late wait for about 15 minutes?
No just make the lattes as normal in 1-4 minutes. If in between shots, you let too much time elapse e.g. 4 minutes, then you have to wait for the machine to cool down again...
@@DaveCorbey ... cool down again ... or flush some water ? :)
Hey Dave. Sorry I dont get it. 🙈 I've the following issue and dont know how to handle this. When I start my routine in the morning and wait about 25 minutes after I start the maschine, I take the first shot with about 91 degree in position 0 which is fine i think. The steam bar presure was between 1 and 1,5 when I take this first shot. Then i prepare the second one and start the shot about 4 minutes after the first one; the steam preasure is an exact 1,5 and the degree jumps to 95/96 then. Like you shown here. Which is too hot and quite different to the first shot and the wished 91 degree. What can i do to meet also 91 degree on the second shot. Hope Somebody can help, cause i dont get an answer in any blogs. ^^ 😊
Remember that the brew temperature won't be as hot as that as the HX refills with cold water which has to heat, I don't know what version you have or your settings. If you post on our forum, you will get help and replies. coffeetime.freeflarum.com/
I am new to HX and I need to decide what is right for me. What is the correlation between boiler pressure and water temperature for brew? As I understand, when the boiler pressure is high that mean the heating element is active and the water temperature will be too high. But I can control that? Read the boiler pressure from the gauge and if it's too high just do a flush until it drops and then brew?
I am an espresso guy, the only reason I will choose a HX is for my girlfriend (who needs one ?) and for other people that visit me. But I want to know for sure if I can control the temperature precisely for espresso.
Drop onto our forum, link is in the video description. We have plenty of MaraX users, some with version v2 of the MaraX
It's great to see these tests carried out and makes the decision to purchase a Mara X so much easier. What is the OPV set to for this machine? Do you just leave it at 10 Bar and 'set and forget'?
Yes you can leave it at 10 or drop it to 9.5 or 9 if you want. Some people even go lower but I think 9 is good as a minimum. Then as you say, just forget about it and enjoy the machine. Adjustment is easy to do once the case is off.
Hi Dave, what happen if you use steam for cappuccino just after brewing a coffee ? Is the temperature will be fine after waiting 60 secondes for another shot ?
Yes, as long as you don't wait like 3 or 4 more minutes, it's OK, of course the longer the gap the hotter the shot. You might also find this helpful coffeeequipmentreviews.wordpress.com/2020/03/10/lelit-marax-review-in-progress/#specific-temps
@@DaveCorbey I'm on a question frenzy :) ... Mara X , because it's a HX, it always has steam "prepared" , right? i mean , you can pull a shot of espresso and froth milk after 1 min, right ? actually, can you do both at the same time, brew and froth? 2nd scenario: pull an espresso, after 1 min froth the milk for a latte. Would you say that the following is true: due to the steam used to froth, the water - brewing-, inside the pipe that passes through the middle of the radiator (inside the machine) gets some extra C degrees in the process ? if so, if you would want to pull a 2nd shot of espresso after only 2 mins (so < 3-max 4 mins cycle) you would have a higher than needed brew temp (due to the steam from the frothing) and it's mandatory to :1. wait 15 mins for it to cool down on it's own or 2. flush some water ? Many thanks
What do you think about the 2 degree adjustments, can it be adjusted by 1 degree or is that not necessary?
I think the two degrees is fine, but if you read the written review you'll see that with a small flush you can actually get those 1 degree increments. I made a little table.
When talking about different roasts of beans and temperature. I’d like to know if in real life one actually makes these changes for every new coffee roast one tries out or maybe real life is more a standard temperature “ one sets .
And if not, what type of beans are worse with Mara for example than with a PID machine where you set exact temperature like with Elizabeth?
I tend to use more standard temperatures...usually around 1 If a roast is light I might try II, or if it's darker I might try 0 for medium I'm at I
@@DaveCorbey very good info, thanks Dave!
Hi do you think this the best machine for the price point or are there comparable ones out there?
It's difficult to know because I haven't evaluated every machine but yes I think it's very very good for the price.
Yes when I started looking I didn’t start with Lelit on the radar at all. But it was featured on a large coffee equipment distributor website. I was 😯 after reading about it and watching many reviews. The price actually seems about $500+ less than its competitors and it also has more intelligent temperature monitoring than machines $1000 more expensive. (Here in Australia that is) I am unaware of any other HX machine with a computer controlled twin thermo probe temp management system. Especially not for less than $3k
interesting, but an important question for me, how much temperature you get coffee ? did y get hot?
Of course, the temperature control is good and even better since that video as I asked for some improvements to the software now implemented by Lelit on the V2 MaraX
Hello! Mr.Dave. Is this test in "steam pressure priority" mode? thanks a lot!
No, it's in brew priority mode
Hi Dave, i changed my gicar v2 for better temperatures stability but i can see with my thermometer sensor temperature increase after a shot to 93°in 96°C (position 1), mode 0 coffee priority. After temperature decrease very slowly.. Any idea?
Not until I finally upgrade my MaraX. I have not had time to do this due to other projects. Check on our forum though as a few users are discussing this. coffeetime.freeflarum.com/
So I just got my MaraX a few days ago and the steam pressure doesn't go down to 1.5 like yours. If I'm at setting 1 it's around 1.25
Thanks Dave. Is there reliable way to flush the machine down to brew temp , let's say after 10 minutes if need be?
Not easily, you could treat it a bit like an HX but even then that wouldn't be quite the same as the boiler will have cooled. I think either make all the coffees one after another with the appropriate short wait times, or if you leave it too long just wait the required short time for it to stabilise again. I think this is why there is still a place for dual boiler machines like the Bianca etc.. for certain users.
@@DaveCorbey Thank you very much for clarifying. I'll take it as a given. Still the Mara X is technically what I'd hoped it would be. Small and smart. The bianca is too big for my profile. Maybe I should wait for your Elizabeth v2 review, even though I'm not sure about the small boilers.
@@DaveCorbey Couldn't you just turn off the economy mode to avoid this issue? I'd keep it on to save power but I understand that it would take a little time to get back up to temp when utilizing this function.
@@durkadur27 The problem with economy mode is the machine cools down between coffees and the next time you want a coffee you have a 20-25 minute wait. Seeing as it costs less than 25p per day to run it all day for 15 hours, I prefer to keep it on when I'm at home.
Hi Dave, very nice video indeed! Just one question: How did you build your temperature measuring portafilter? Looks like it is not a Scace (which is very expensive) but it works the same way. Always want to build something like this myself to do these measurements but did not find any good DIY manual. Doing this with a real coffee puck and a K-Thermocouple is always a mess and gives unreliable results.
I built it about 16 years ago, long before the Scase was around, it is in fact closer to a Scace II than the original scace. I made a simulated coffee bed and place the thermocouple 3mm inside it, via a hole and a nut/bolt with a hole in it, in the side of an inner steel basket, that I sealed up so it couldn't blow out under 9 bar pressure. The flow rate has to approximate a coffee puck ans the permeability of the medium has to be similar. I use a packed polyester to do this and it tool a long time to get right. I built it because back then no one was testing the temp of prosumer kit, except me!
I'm torn between this and Elizabeth. Does anybody know if the temperature stays stable as demonstrated here, when pulling like, e.g. double espresso, milk, wait 2 min, double espresso, milk, wait 2 mind, double espresso, double espresso, milk? Will this work or is it better to get the Elizabeth?
If I stated it can, it can because I tested it., in fact now you have coffee mode and steam boost mode (they removed HX mode), for even better stability for pure espresso. You would use steam boost mode for your work pattern and as long as you don't wait too long, it will do what you want.
Would be extremely interested to see a setup like that to simulate a milk drink as well (back to back)
It works...I was going to video it but I got caught up in other projects.
Make another video like this Steam Temperature Priority. Just curious, because otherwise why would we even ever use STP in the first place
I don't believe I will personally will ever use STP but this way they have catered for everyone, even those who say I want it to work like a normal HX, perhaps because they want to make Latte after latte for a whole massive group of people...Even then I still don't think I would use it, unless I wanted to use a much faster steam tip for the same large group?
I don't yet understand why the machine gets too hot if you wait longer than 4 minutes after a shot. But if you wait longer than 15 minutes, or less than 4 minutes, it would be at right temperature. Unfortunately I didn't understand some of the audio (my english isn't so good).
It gets too hot because the steam boost temporarily overheats the system if you wait too long.
@@DaveCorbey thanks, now I understand!
@@DaveCorbeyThis has been extremely educational video.
For the future versions of the machine could Lelit disable steam boost altogether for true coffee priority mode or is this something which happens due to design of hx machines? Or for example increase time window before steam pressure is bumped up.
Which is better, X or T version?
I personally think the X, as it does things the T does not do.
@@DaveCorbey thanks for answer, initially I thought T was the only one with PID temp. control. Their naming is confusing...
I don’t see an advantage from this System. Because when you wanna have another shot after 5 min you need to wait.
On normal machines you do the cooling flush whenever you want a Shot and you are good to go. Or am I wrong?
Yes you are wrong, because you can still do a cooling flush if you wait too long between shots.
Dave Corbey thanks Dave :)
@@DaveCorbey But Dave, just a few lines up (on my screen anyway) in your reply to MaxBas you said it's not easy to flush the brew temp down because it's not the same as a typical HX. Now in your reply to this fellow you seem to be on the other side of the fence. I've just put in an order for a Mara X and have about a 6 week wait. Thanks for your vids BTW, very informative!
@@GlenEdwards the situation wouldn't occur very often but the difference is only that you flush down a group at a slightly different temp depending on how long it's left. This would depend on how many minutes and where the current boiler temp is. You can basically learn how much you need to do.
Does anyone have a MaraX that builds op the steam pressure to the max first time around? Seems common issue. Went back for repair, but after repair still now and then has the issue. Only difference is that it does cool down, if you let it sit for a while.
There were some faulty Gicar boxes, yours might have one, contact your dealer
Why did I buy the old mara 5 months ago!! 😭😭
I'm sorry, I know how you must feel :)
for dark roast the old mara is better because of shorter preinfusion
Cómo puedo ver algún vídeo de esta máquina en Español
I am afraid not from me as I don't speak Spanish well enough. I don't believe people do reviews quite the same way I do but someone in Spain must have reviewed the machine?
Please spit whatever you're chewing out!!! Smack smack smack smack in my ears!!!
I only realised after I filmed it and wasn't going to reshoot it. It is gum and I won't make the same mistake again. Too late to spit it out now, it went in the bin long ago ;)
@@DaveCorbey Glad I dont hear those high pitch sound..LOL