The strange death of Labour in Scotland | Anywhere but Westminster
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- Опубліковано 29 кві 2015
- John Harris visits Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill, once the safest seat in Britain, but now within the SNP's sights. The veteran Labour MP Tom Clarke says he's confident he can hold on. But his SNP challenger Phil Boswell says Labour has stopped representing the workers, and fancies his chances. It's tense, and messy. And when we ask too many questions, anger erupts
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"Do you remember Kier Hardie?" Guy died in 1915
Scottish Labour come across as time traveller from the 70s. Scotland has moved on.
"Remember Kier Hardie, that was a right Labour Mob" too true mate, looks like the party needs to re think what it is doing.
just to remind people who don't know....the SNP have been in power in scotland for 7 years and NO they haven't ruined scotland.! SCOTLAND has voted labour for years and years but ended up with a tory government whether we liked it or not!!!! the 6 places in scotland with SNP mps have benefited from the snp while the constituencies that have labour mps are some of the poorest and in most poverty in the uk! Fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinion and democratic vote but voting labour in scotland is like the kiss of death for many people already in poverty which is why voting SNP is to benefit scotland!!
***** Wake up, we don't want the Red Tories or the Blue Tories.
***** This is nothing to do with nationalism. England has gone UKIP/Right Wing - Scotland hasn't. We want nothing to do with the Little Englander mentality - and nothing to do with Tory governments. We are sick of voting Labour, and getting Tory - and the last time we got a Labour government they were worse than the Tories with their illegal war. Wake up.
It's 2019 now. This seat has switched from Labour to SNP, SNP to Labour, and just now back from Labour to SNP. It's a revolving door marginal consistency
What's the name of it? The 2021 Holyrood elections will be interesting, let's see if labour can make any progress or carry on stagnating and falling away as in 2019
The SNP winning so many seats is almost entirely a product of the first past the post system, the independence vote being consecrated in one party the SNP and the pro union vote being split amongst mainly 3 party's.
They received 45.0% of the vote in the 2019 general election, Pro Union party's received 53.2% of the vote, with the remaining 1.8% of the vote going to party's with stance on the union im not sure about.
The SNP won 48 out of 59 seats available in Scotland. Only in 10 of those 48 seats did the partys supporting independence receive more votes than the partys that supports the Union.
Stirling, Perth and North Perthshire, Paisley and Renfrewshire South, Kilmarnock and Loudoun, Glenrothes, Falkirk, Dundee West, Dundee East, Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East and Aberdeen North.
So if you were to measure seats by total votes for partys that supports independents vs total votes for a partys that support the Union, it would be 10 for independence and 49 for remaining in the union. Also all the avibule polling on the subject supports my claims above, in polling support for independence verse between 38% to 45%.
@@jjosephs6521 that's an absolutist way of measuring it, got to factor in that many people who voted SNP aren't necessarily all in favour of independence and vice versa - lots of labour supporters switched to SNP to keep the Tories out in Scotland, and many on the radical Scottish left voted labour as a more left wing alternative to the SNP. Elections =/= referendums
@@jimjoerobinson
I agree, The SNP and Nicola Sturgeon make the agreement that their election victory means there is support for independence referendum 2. My comment trys to point out that merely looking at the seat count doesn't give you very accurate information about how the votes fell.
@@jjosephs6521 I think a fair response is that if a conservative majority is a mandate for brexit, which didn't match the vote share that snp got in scotland, then the result in Scotland is a mandate for another independence referendum. It's up to the independence campaign to persuade voters in Scotland to then get the vote share for yes above 50% if another referendum does come about?
Love the series any chance of poping over to northern Ireland? We tend to get forgotten , despite being more democratic in my opinion with transferable vote and so many parties.
SnazzBot Thanks a lot SnazzBot. There's every chance of us popping over to Northern Ireland. If you watch this video, there's a way to suggest constituencies that John and John should visit for the final film in the series: ua-cam.com/video/0H05ntWXLWo/v-deo.html
+The Guardian we got forgotten.. you never came over.. I think East Belfast would have been a great seat to cover..
I did not know the Guardian got back to me. I feel they should stay away from Belfast as it will be the same old "Peace walls oh there still is sectarian tension but things getting better" I have seen it to many times.
+Ian why just huns talking shite
+SnazzBot up the ra from Fermanagh
Why is Britain entitled to be independent from EU, and Scotland cannot be independent from Britain? Sounds like an abusive relationship.
@Caratacus The whole UK is conceding to Farage's rethoric as you can obviously see the result of the election. British government only agenda is Brexit and if you listen to bojo he has same rethoric as Farage. This is self destruction but this is what people want.
@Caratacus Scotland was an independent NATION in it's own right Had its last Queen Mary of Scott's, Her son James UNITED the country of England and Scotland as Elizabeth 1 was childless, And ALSO in 1707 the people Of Scotland did not go through a Referendum process, The Scottish parliament joined with the Union. Can England be prosperous on itself???.
@Caratacus Scotland is a country.
Very good report. Its the sort of report that the BBC used to do. But they can't be bothered with now.
Personal, human reporting on areas outside the "scramble the helicopter, rolling news"
Tom Clarke. They only like him because he looks like he knows how to clone dinosaurs.
xjames118 Spared no expense!
Why? They need more dinosaurs in Scotland? Nessie will be pissed off!
That's Labour's problem. Just going round doors telling people they'll be voting Labour and assuming they will, not even trying to convince them. Tom Clark might well have done the people of coatbridge a good service over the years but it's death by association for him unfortunately.
Tom Clarke won't be looking so smug today.
39% swing to SNP in this seat, thats spectacular.
That Labour MP looked dodgy af
Tom Clark arguing at the end with the guy, "he told you hes voting labour" hahahahaha
Many more Scottish constituencies will turn yellow.
@@DFandV snp all the way
I didn't realise the SNP started the Gilet Jaune movement
Love the wee-man, as they say up-the-road, in the blue jumper, chilling on his door-step: ''You remember Kier Hardie?'' Reporter: ''Yes, I do.''
''Well, that's di rite Labour Mob.'' Perfect, lol.
2:00 what a load of pish! Can see why he lost his seat quite convincingly. Total total snob
“If there’s a choice in politics between the past and the future, the future will win”. Brexit seems like the past to me. Shocking when seeing the likes of Farage, that it might be the future...
I'm surprised that he's surprised. What on earth does he think Scottish voters think they have in common with the Labour party leadership...….Nothing!!!!!!
Guy was in his 70s - Too old for the cut & thrust of being an MP
Life Long labour voter here aswell untill now, getting in bed with the tories to stab us in the back was the last straw (neon or otherwise) SNP all the way now
“Stab is in the back” talk about over dramatic!
@pammens miss lies the Snp are the best party in Scotland for the Scots all others are branch parties from England doing what is best for England first then Ireland and then last for Scotland
@pammens miss pmsl you really need to research the wealth of Scotland and what gets taken from us by westminister and what we recieve google GDP of Scotland not the entire UK just Scotland
@pammens miss crazy lady
@pammens miss Too right I'm still SNP.
Scottish NHS outperforms the rest of the UK.
Drug laws are devolved to Westminster
Scotland has laws on alcohol pricing, do you expect the health minister to be looking behind peoples backs?
I bet you think the Barnett Formula is England's money, pathetic. Learn how the Barnett Formula is put together.
You are just a bitter Englishman that cant see the damage the tories have done to your own country. Look at the state of England right now. There is a terrorist attack in London every other week, housing crisis, homeless everywhere, a failing NHS far worse than Wales or Scotland, public services are none existent and the Police Force in England has been absolutely demolished.
I've enjoyed this series so much. Thank you.
Obvious. While Labour supports "No" for Scottish Independence, they will lose traditional support to the SNP and the Greens. If Labour supported "Yes", votes would pour in.
And make all the unionists (roughly half) vote tory instead. So instead of a split unionist vote you have a split independence vote.
Great way to lose seats to the tories well done
Labour has become so extreme it is poisonous!
Labour turned south Harrow Northwest London into a cesspit
You know you're in Scotland when the women drink pints of tennants with neon straws
Let's HOPE that SNP wins the Other 6 seats off Tories and the 4 remaining LD seats too then it'll be 59/59. Hooray to SNP.
Coatbridge is also called mini Ireland by some people
Because of SNP voters and AV not being used in our voting, Scotland is basically a Tory country. We have Corbyn as head of the Labour party now, so can we go back to voting Labour now?
The people of "my" constituency? Oh dear. Typical politician. Can't see past the end of his nose.
This was really good
Voted Labour in 2017, though
Why in God’s name did you vote for that rabble?
Jezza is no Ed Miliband
Scotland has Potential to be a rich independent nation Oil, Fisheries, commerce and tourism too. A peaceful place....
@ger du the EU problems that Greece had add flood of economic migrants claiming housing and benefits from the Scottish government not England the euro and 300 years of Union down the pan surely you not a lot that stupid alarm perhaps some are voting for the cranky and wee pengi blacktwatt. If you do leave cranky and pengi can bend over for the eu to use their asses as bicycle racks.
35 seconds. Straws in pints of Tennents. Never change Scotland.
I enjoyed this you know....
Hardline Tom
And Labour have the seat back now
Labor party means large scale immigration
because that you job as an MSP,to fight for the people in your area,its got nothing to dodwith labour or snp,its an MPs job to address thee issues.
6:48- tbf he really was pushing a bit for the opposition, partial that
6.48 indeed so - luckily the entitled Labour candidate was kicked out in 2019 to the SNP
You use : not .
So its 6:48 not 6.48
@@jjosephs6521 do you know what a pedant is?
@@revol148
I do, but I was trying to help you, you were obviously trying to send people to a certain part of the video, if you use : it makes it a link, 6:48 vs 6.48
If you made a spelling or grammar mistake firstly I probably wouldn't notice secondly I wouldn't care.
@@jjosephs6521 thanks for your help Jessica !
Talking about miners getting settlements in the 80s and he says why would families and people vote for anything else other than Labour because of that in 2015. That’s the absolute epitome of why Labour has collapsed in Scotland. Assume they still get Labour votes for what they done in the 80s, the arrogance is breathtaking
He has did vigorous campaigning,the new party had an air of born new
I will not be voting this year in the Scottish elections. Just nobody to vote for- so be the first I am not voting I am in my mid 30s and hope one day I shall vote again.
Luke kelly wild rover playing in the background there
0:57 I hate Labour but this made me feel bad aw 🥺
Gaun yersel.Coatbrig, you deserve better..
They people of the town, are as thick as two short planks.
Watching this I fully support Scottish independence.
You'd have to be completely nuts to trust The Guardian after their coverage of the Ukraine civil war. I wouldn't wipe my arse on it.
Paul Baumer I would be very interested to know more about this, but a quick search hasn't unearthed anything. Do you have any links?
Where do journalists who haven't grown up work?
The Guardian
hahaha theres ma hairdressers
The SNP cannot be allowed to destroy the United Kingdom.
Their anti-British agenda is the greatest threat this country faces.
That is not scaremongering- it is blunt truth about a party of which the very existence is based on separatism.
It is worth remembering though that under FPTP, the seats allocated are not synonymous with the popular vote. The SNP won, but it was not as impressive as the seat allocation would suggest.
+Centrist Philosopher United Kingdom.... heh heh heh
Porto Rico- Look at a British passport and cry rivers.
Centrist Philosopher looks like your man Boris has sealed the deal. Enjoy little England
Visits Scotland and talks to Irish people....
I am no one. But this is getting very interesting. This move is against the interest of the establishment. But the trouble is if Scotland gets independent and joins Europe while England remains out!! Preponderance of SNP in English dominated Westminster would be messy. So, in this instance, British should adopt the same policy that they proposed (unachievable for Gandhi) to use in undivided India during early 20th century ie. separate voters and candidate for Hindus, Muslim and Untouchable (Dalits)..
Question for people in the UK, I'm from the other side of the pond. Is the Labour Party a more liberal and socialist kind of party? What are its main opposing parties?
Historically, Labour was founded 100 years ago to represent trade unions and be a voice for the working class. At first they were strongly socialist (calling for an end to the capitalist system) but when they got in government they became more moderate to look respectable. Around 2000 under Tony Blair Labour changed their outlook significantly: they called it New Labour, and moved to the right quite a bit.
In this election they are moving away from the image of New Labour a bit (which is now associated with the Iraq War and the Credit Crunch) but they're still quite centre left. The Conservatives are our right wing party.
However it's worth noting that American politics in general is more right wing than British politics. The conservatives would probably look quite socialist to you guys.
Hope this answers your question!
derwoods81 The labour party pretend to be centre left but in there present leader Ed Miliband they have a far left nutter , what most Labour party supporters are ignorant of is his father Ralf, a Marxist who wrote the left wing bible of the Party. Ed has the same outlook. The party is run by a small group who have embarked on a social engineering project of the British population, flooding the country with immigrants, in there own words to stick it to the right.
Every time labour are elected they Bankcrupt the country. The SNP are Even more left wing and complete nutters.
Thanks guys. Very informative.. it sounds like even American left wing would seem like a rather conservative and right wing party over in the UK
slothkingn1 you are very right about that.. I'm from America and our extreme capitalism was good for growth in the early stages of our development but now it's counter productive. Like you said it is very short sighted. The vast majority of us are living pay check to pay check now because of it, and the middle class is getting smaller and smaller.. and I'm not going to even go into how the extreme privatization of healthcare is hurting the people. That's a whole new topic for another day lol.. butbalot of people here, not all, see socialism as this terrible and horrific thing.
slothkingn1 I was saying 2 years before the credit crunch that labour were on course come a recession to drive us into £100 billion a year deficite, they built growth on borrowed money for 10 years, the result is the structural deficite we have now, the banking crisis just made it worse, If labour get in borrowing more and growing the economy on credit will be a disaster. I have voted for them in the past but have come to relise they are idiots. Labour are using immigration to bolster there votes, a poll of Black people in London showed 95% vote labour, These people in Labour do not care about the average working class voter just there own social engineering project and total lack of tolorance of people who do not have there PC view of the world.
The south of England is at bursting point and will soon be gridlocked if labour let in millions more immigrants and just for the record a labour government minister said we let in millions to stick it to the right, while pretending to have lost control of immigration when in power.These people can not be trusted again with the future of this country. controled immigration is what people want.
You have to earn the money before the government can spend it , we have a £1.5 trillion debt you can not build growth on more credit or building houses or you will end up like Spain.
The system is not great I agree, but labour have no answers just pipe dreams and hollow promises that everything will be ok if they are in power, but they are clueless.
Scotland voted well well done
I get the strange feeling that some of these people would be Republicans if they were born and raised in the US.
I'm genuinely interested why you think that is the case
@@viewer.123 they’re white, working class, and uneducated. I’m almost certain that these people would be staunch Trump supporters if they were American.
@@rolandserna7805 Most of Trumps base / staunch support comes from the middle class / small business owners. Working class people in the U.S. by and large simply don't bother voting.
@@viewer.123look like working class Trump supporters working in mining jobs
I liked the SNP until I dug into their Holyrood voting record. They are to the right of the Lib Dems. Some decisions coming from the top would make Tories blush.
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Labour is dead.
I vote SNP cuz there for Scotland n that eh?
Now it's labour's again
Not anymore
Now it's SNP again
Colluding with the EU has changed the flip-flop parties. Then again, if Juncker sees an opportunity, he's going to take it isn't he?
The great unwashed of Coatbridge.
vote SNP FFS you need a health check
1:40 is that a man in drag? Or do all women in Scotalnd look like that? Yours, trollingly, a Manchester guy.
***** what woman u talking about manchester guy bet ur gorgeous lol
Mrs Jocky McJockface
FACT CHECK: The so-called “bedroom tax” is not a tax. It is a fair and sensible welfare reform and that’s that.
The guardian are the problem
SCOTLAND actually thinking to join up with N.Ireland before and after independence. UNION THAT YOU CAN TRUST.
Think there should be one national government that meets the requirements of the whole UK.. yes it's a dream but if only.
QUESTION:- What is the difference between the Labour, Tory and Lib\Dem parties?
ANSWER:- They wear different coloured ties..
A free Scotland and United Ireland is the ultimate goal. Vote for Brexit if there is a second referendum and then vote to leave England in the dust at the next Scottish independence referendum. For the Scots who would enjoy watching England destroy themselves and become pawns of China and the Saudis, support Brexit.
Wonder why Scotland is so poor overall (labour popular place). People know it is not gonna work need conservatives
Need conservatives? I dont think so jog on 😂
Send the Irish home to Ireland