Brexit breakdown: fear and anger on the Irish border | Anywhere but Westminster
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- Опубліковано 12 лют 2019
- As fears of a no-deal Brexit increase, John Harris and John Domokos go to where everything gets real: the line that separates Northern Ireland and the Republic.
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In parts of the province where support for Remain and anxiety about what might now happen run deep, they find ghosts from the Troubles, passionate opinions, and a new crop of politicised young musicians, desperate to escape the pull of the past
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"Irishman, Scotsman and Englishman at a bar, Englishman wanted to leave, so everybody had to leave" 🤣 😂 😂 😂
But nobody remembered the poor Welshman who was late getting to the bar because he got stuck in sheep traffic a couple of miles outside Swansea
@@sodaking6858 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Apparently the Welshman drank alone, everybody had left and he thought he was early and waited for them.
Legend is the Welshman is still waiting 😁😁😁😂😂😂
@@william_8844 Coming up next on days of our Brexiters Jeremy Corbyn is exposed as a Jake Pauler tune in next episode to see the reaction's
It is the English approach to things
@@sodaking6858 No, he stayed at home complaining about the Brewery, while drinking free beer the brewery has been giving him for years
When that woman said she would stand firm with the British, my first thought was, 'don't count on the British standing firm with you.'
Hard done by "prodestants" like herself claim to be more English than the English. Don't break her heart, England.
It will be the British government who will give a unity referendum so in the event of reunification her argument is as dead as Billy Wright.
Steve Gould UK’s recent history disproves you ie Falkland island War.
@@jacobelledge8424 Britain had been trying to unload the Falklands for decades before hubris got the better of the junta and Thatcher. Up until then it was seen as a costly anachronism. I dare say the London-centric Tories feel the same about Scotland and NI. Mind you, probably depends on how much oil Scotland has left and the Falklands has as yet unexploited.
Steve Gould you can still can’t explain the reason for sending thousands of troops to the Falkands if they wanted to the islands
At 15:03 we have the whole problem in a nutshell. This DUP lady wants "Northern Ireland and the UK to be the way it was 40 years ago". I salute her honesty. Forty years ago Northern Ireland was the most unjust place in Western Europe with institutionalised discrimination in housing and jobs against the artificially-created minority. The state colluded in this, ably supported by the Westminster parties. The police were an instrument of oppression. The Unionists bated the minority communities every 12th July. They were kept in their place. Of course she wants to go back to that. That's all the DUP have to offer, the past, and it was shameful and awful. No thanks, ask the young people what they want. And you would think the Unionist community were the only ones to fight for Britain, they are still clinging to that empty myth 100 years on. 50,000 Irishmen from what is now the Republic of Ireland died fighting for Britain in WWI, tricked by the empty promise of Home Rule. Listen, there is no future in the past, especially in Northern Ireland. Stop hating, stop loathing and move on. A shared space, a fair society, a good life and prospects for the children of Northern Ireland. I'd vote for that over her implied acceptance of more bloodshed just to get what she wants.
So sisinnct and accurate!! An excellent account and opinion, Slainte to you Sir
And 40 years ago exactly was 1979 a pretty bloody year for the people of the North , but mostly for her people in the security services, attack after attack on the RUC, screws, and the british army. 18 soldiers dead at Narrow Water ambush..
I really wanted to read but Damn... Maybe use paragraphs next time?
The fascinating thing is that this person seems to be ready to "take arms against terrorism", but in the event of an Union she seem inclined to be a rebel - which by government definition are terrorists. Just fascinating.
Well said.
"I don't even agree with the Good Friday Agreement". There you have it lads. The average DUP voter.
It's always been that way with some Unionists, when the agreement happened you saw republicans waving Irish flags you didn't see unionists do the same it wasn't seen a victory for them.
I hope people finally see what we've been tolerating. Stubborn incoherence.
Why don't you agree with it? I live in The States,but I'm trying to understand the conflict...I'm a descendant of John Loughran, born in County Tyrone circa 1804...
When you hate your own people, because of religious disputes, more than former invaders and occupiers, you need to reset your priorities
She doesn't agree with the good friday agreement. She seems to miss the hate, the bombs and the killings.
Fortunately, Ireland has the EU standing with them this time in history -- helping them to not be bullied by the brits
History always seems to repeat itself, but in different ways.
Nothing but lip service, what can the EU actually do?
@@jonjohnson2844 A lot? It's the world's largest trading bloc surrounding Britain and comprising 50% of UK exports, for one. It will have a say in *a lot* of British matters. Britain isn't done with the EU if they ever get an exit deal, lol, that's just the beginning.
@@jonjohnson2844 Have you not been paying attention? They're already doing it FFS!!!
Some Brits. Most of us are appalled by the way the BrexiTraitors are attempting to bully the Irish people.
Argentinian living in the Republic (my Great-grandfather was Irish). Amazing doc. I’ve recently did a similar trip through the border and could experience this by first hand. The brits don’t have a clue about the border in NI and ROI, which is evidenced by their disregard to it. I hope this ends with an United Ireland at the end of the path. That I’d be finally living in an independent island of Ireland and having my children here. That would make my grandpa proud. 🇮🇪❤️ ☘️
We don't have a clue...? It's pretty much all the BBC go on about.
@@andrewmccloud8581 Well, Brexiteers don't tend to have a clue, and don't tend to care either... and not all English, nor Welsh people are pro-Brexit, even though there was a slim majority in both countries.
@@clavichord the English don’t have a clue as to the crimes against humanity committed by their forefathers and their leaders, throughout history up until today. And if they do have a clue, then they don’t give AF.
The younger generations give me hope, but not for Britain. Brexit saw to that.
Never thought I'd see a united Ireland in my lifetime, now it seems like a real possibility.
Then goodluck to you if it will happen 😂
Northern Ireland, or Ulster, being a federated state of Ireland, or Eire. Or, even a special administrative region, where Dublin only controls its defence and foreign affairs.
Can't wait but we have to get this right. Maybe in about 10 years we could have the border poll so everyone knows what they're voting for and we wouldn't have the same chaos as the brexit vote. A United Ireland is on the way!
@@djd3104 LOL
How? Are you going to invade? Where would Dublin get the money to support health, education etc? You are totally reliant on Irish people working in the UK and other nations sending money back. Guinness and Horses are not the way to sustain a modern economy or have you forgotten your recent financial crisis?
Ah ya..the good old days.
Ex UDR member wants it to go back to what it was 40 years ago.
1979: 76 fellow service men and police killed, 36 innocent civilians and a smattering of paramilitaries.
But we were in charge eh? No parades commission, no civil rights legislation, no human rights legislation, no jobs for taigs.
Yeah, you'd think it was some sort of sick joke of hers... probably her choice of date gives a clue to her true feelings... she just wants to go back to the violence of 1969-1970... the absolute worst of the Troubles.... scary... she can say this with a smile on her face too. Fortunately, there are moderates on both sides... not just nutters like her
Token DUP nutter at the end there of course lamenting the good old days of a sectarian Northern Irish state. You couldn’t be up to them. Even the presenter was like WTF?
And she is running the office of the politician holding all the UK to ransom. And the British are letting her. It's Trump level stupidity. Maybe even beyond it.
@@justdefacts It's familiar Northern Irish politics to us here on this island.
I think she meant 50-60 years ago
That girl at 13:00 gives me hope for the future. A unionist with mostly nationalist friends who wouldn't mine if Ireland reunified. She would consider herself Irish. Arlene on the other hand calls herself British supports the England rugby team and does indeed want a border wall.
I think we all know who's wrong here.
To be honest it was kind of brave of her just to be open and genuine with how she feels seeing as she's from a Unionist background. I think a lot of Unionists for-see a United Ireland happening within their life time even the ones that are pro-British so the reality of it is more of just an acceptance of what will happen and even the DUP woman feels that vibe too for certain but remains to live in her own world thinking she's a majority while N.I is actually split 50/50 evenly between Catholics and Protestants.
@Chief Sunnah Less than 10% of the population class themselves "Northern Irish" because over 55% of the population just simply class themselves as "Irish" while almost 35% only consider themselves to be "British" and don't relate to the word "Irish or Northern Irish" roughly 7-8% only call themselves Northern Irish and they are mostly Protestants that want to relate themselves to Irishness while still feeling partly British.
@Chief Sunnah The section of NI society you incorrectly refer to as "English stock" are actually descendents of Scottish settlers in the 17th century.
And let's be clear, it is just a section of the society. Half the population are native Irish and they identify themselves as such.
What's wrong with Arlene supporting England......apart from the fact she's Ulster Scots? How about that she's from Fermanagh and how about that Rugby is an all island sport where many of her fellow Ulster people play on and support the team!
@Chief Sunnah oh Jesus Christ go away. It's literally becoming a case of people saying black is now white.
@@rivolinho Do you also see how Sunnah told me how I was incorrect and he then tried hitting me with some of his uneducated / non-researched opinions about Northern Ireland and then how I corrected him by showing him statistics that are done by British researchers and he has yet to even respond back to me? He's accepted that he was wrong but too immature to own up to it and now he's talking about a hard broader that will go up and the IRA won't do anything about it? If a hard boarder went up even while 56% majority of Northern Ireland's population voted to remain in the EU then it's a complete victory to the nationalists living in the north of Ireland because they won't need an IRA to do anything as a broader poll vote will get announced within weeks after Northern Ireland leaves the EU and there will be a vote to unite Ireland. Don't be surprised Sunnah if it passes because 56% of the population, the majority had their democratic rights taken away from then when they didn't get what they wanted from the British government.
And by the way, the IRA put 1,200 British personal forces into coffins, the last thing anyone wants is for them to get back into activity because if the British army couldn't defeat farmers out in Afghanistan then there is no chance they'd want to take on a professional gorilla warfare group that neighbours them.
Ah the DUP woman with the orange makeup. Her heart is so filled with hate 💔
At first glance, I was thinking "what is Marine Le Pen doing in Northern Ireland?"
A so called type of Christian hatred at that, Jesus will be very proud of her...
She seems like a jolly, gregarious kind of woman, but when the prospect of a UI was raised, she turned pretty quick.
Orange? Trump? You have me wondering now..............................
She looks like she could pass for Trump's sister.
"Who came up with this idea in 1921?" Eh... England buddy.
You mean you wanna show your hard border?
England seems to be REALLY BAD at doing borders. There are so many examples of this, and now they want to face Brexit!
The LAST thing the Republic wanted in 1921 was hundreds of thousands of armed and angry Loyalists in the North. It would have been bedlam.
God save us from that blood thirsty woman from the DUP.
What is illuminating is that NI already has seperate laws (abortion, gay rights, divirce) from the rest of the UK.
Hello Mauricio. I disagree with everything the DUP stand for and the spokeswoman shown here is definitely not part of the solution. However, you may not know that Arleen Foster, leader of the DUP, as a child watched while her father was murdered in front of her by 'nationalists'. That would colour my view if that was me. She is also a victim, and an excellent example of how violence and extremism breeds hatred. She is more to be pitied, not in a patronising way. I have sympathy for the hurt child in her, but I despise her politics.
@@barryolaith Very true sir. N.Ireland isnt black & white. Arlene is a product of her upbringing, as were Martin McGuiness and Ian Paisley. But both of those men were able to find a way to work together.
Many ppl in N.I. lost family members but are willing to forgive in order to build peace.
barryolaith,I agree absolutely. I have no time for her politics and Unionists in general, but after I found out about her father‘s murder and apparently there was also an incident with her school bus, plus her uncle was injured in an IRA terrorist attack too, I understand why she is so bitter. I ask myself if I would be any different under these circumstances. I abhor the terrorist murders on both sides of the political divide in NI and I hate the idea that, if in the scenario of a hard Brexit, a hard border came in to being, that some people would actually think that the murdering is the justified. No one wants the hard border, but if it does come, against all our wishes, for whatever reason, it does NOT justify the taking of even one life, or the maiming of any person in NI.
@@barryolaith Foster's father actually survived and lived a long life. You'd think Arlene would celebrate such good fortune and promote peace instead of giving the impression her father was taken from her when she was young.
16:00 That woman sums up the DUP. They didn't want the peace process because they saw equality as taking away from them. They see Brexit as a way to reassert dominance over the Nationalist minority. That's the DUP, not all Unionists. Look at them now. Not only are they the only party to have power in NI, they also hold the power in UK parliament.
You're right...when confronted by equality they feel they are losing their culture. Brexiters had the same problem with EU membership.
Brexit will be the DUP's undoing. If they induce a hard border they will reap what they sow. People remember the border. People will remember what it was like when the border was gone. People will experience the new true reality of Brexit, not the lies they were sold and people will have a good idea of what they could have back when a border poll is pushed their way. Then the new demographic that exists in NI will look on their future from an economic stand point. Those who erred on the side of caution and resisted a united Ireland just a few years ago may well think the other way for the same reasons. The shift might well be just enough to push it through. You will never convince the extremists on either side but those in the middle can be persuaded and there is nothing better as a decision maker when people see their future ripped from under them. The DUP will be remembered as the people that did that... Watch this space...
They're like our own proto-American wing nuts. Be them protectionist, fiercely independent or selfish, but we get no where without co-operating with eachother when all stuck living on a single island in the middle of the sea.
@@thedirtyfecker The Irish are more concerned about gay marriage and anal sex. they wouldn't say "boo" to goose unless a British army infiltrator had set them up to do so.
To be fair, the DUP "hold the power" in Westminster because Sinn Féin are too stubborn to take up their seats there - not what I'd call "patriotic", given that doing so would be in the interests of republicans both north and south...
This is one of the best episodes by far
As an English remainer, I'm sorry Ireland - we (Mainly Jacob Rees Mogg, Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and all of their rich friends) threw you under a bus.
I never thought I'd say this but: An Ireland unfree shall never be at peace.
I don't know if you remember this comment. But by now with everything else in your country, the northern Ireland border is the last thing on your mind
15:07 „I want NI and UK the way they were over 40 yrs ago.”... that’s it right there. At least in terms of GDP she’ll be correct.
Without the former colonies to prop up what was left of the economy this time though. It's going to be a far rougher ride.
Wish there was a longer doc with this guy.
Cool name.
@@notorio526 Thanks mate!
He has a whole series of them
Astonishing that a someone who represents the DUP would advocate a return to violence if Ireland becomes united.
It's to be expected in fairness, I wasn't _that_ surprised.
Maybe Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson should pay a visit here and try to explain their dunderheaded ideology to people it directly affects.
Chris, they don't care. Really. Only about money and power.
They should be forced to explain all of this. Would love to see how they pull that off..
Mogg said there was no need to visit the border.
The coward
Thanks, brilliant piece of journalism. I shed a tear actually.
For what??
Thanks, I'll pass that on to John and John
@@bojojojo913 I would imagine Bykermann shed a tear for the young people of Northern Ireland. The hatred in the hearts of their older generation was ever so slowly dissipating, they were beginning to be able to live normal lives and then - brexit, just when the DUP got a bit of influence in Westminster. I sometimes wonder where the phrase "the luck o' the Irish" came from. They must have meant bad luck.
@@saddoncarrs6963 would agree with that alright. I said it to friends at the time (when T. May went bowing and scraping to the DUP) that she wasn't thinking ahead to the problems that would cause. As long as she kept herself in power. That was the main thing; to hell with the people of NI and the GFA. Anyway it's done now so we'll just have to roll with it and see what happens...
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda You reported me? :) I am the authority you ****
Has there ever been a country in human history, that destroyed itself for no reason whatsoever? The economy was doing ok, the society was doing ok, all other indicators for a good development where ok. And then they pressed the red button. I really, really don't get it. it hurts so much, even from distant Germany. my European heart is bleeding.
Exactly my feelings, from a 50+ year old Brit.
@Rudi Dudi I don't see how the two situations compare. Germany did not act from a position of strength and wealth but from a weak and defeated position. and in the end I don't get what you want to say: was is a good or a bad choice for Germany to auto destruct (and take half of Europe with it)?
Because many in the uk do not consider themselves European. Being in the eu has had many advantages, but it has also meant progressive acceptance of European norms, which were never agreed to by popular vote. This was made more problematic by millions of eu citizens from former soviet bloc states coming to the uk in an uncontrolled way. Another problem has been the very real issue of lack of democratic accountability in the eu. There appears to be no easy way out of this problem for the uk, unfortunately this brexit process has entirely soured the eu uk relationship, so there is no way back.
@Rudi Dudi sure, nobody forced Germany to do so...but there were "reasons" like a shitty economy, devastated moral etc. Britain was just doing fine when it decided to jump of a cliff.
@@chrisdechristophe You do realise that Britain has this thing called the Commmonwealth? That all these brown faces have British passports and come from India, Pakistan etc, etc? Being in the EU has nothing to do with that and will have nothing to do with that after Brexit? It is a bit rich invading other peoples countries and then complaining when they follow you home. The people who bemooaned being in the EU will realise this after Brexit when none of that changes and their economy is in ruins. But I suspect they will find someone else to blame when they find themselves on the dole or how "it all would have been great if Brexit had been handled properly".
Notice how much smarter the people here are compared to John's videos of English people. They should check the water supply in England.
Good point - and there's no way the programme makers could have chosen people, prompted responses or selected which bits to use...
Lol are you serious? Harris is notorious for his selective bias.
Aww look at all the lying brexitards and their piggy nonsense.
@@JihadJoe_ true, just like the lies from the leave campaign that swayed the vote
I’m English(whatever that actually means) and have always thought the average Joe from NI is more intelligent than the average Joe from England. But I don’t agree with peoples view near the beginning of the video that the ‘English’ are to blame for Brexit. Some were, some were not, no generalisations.
I found this very helpful - I am an American, and while we are dealing with our own political upheaval, many of us are simultaneously struggling to understand both sides of the Brexit issue with our cousins across the pond. I'm left feeling like the only true winner amongst us is Vladimir Putin.
It's called xenophobia and nativism. You can see it firsthand in any state that Trump won. Particularly in the south which was populated by the same Scots-Irish.
Watch 3 blokes in a pub to understand even more of what brexit means
brexit was funded to crash the pound. I don't doubt for one second that the rich of the world will attack the UK economy through New York and that the economic consequences of a wrecked pound will ripple around the world and affect other currencies including the US dollar.
It ain't over til the fat lady sings. History is full of fools who thought they were winning until they lost.
Tammy Moon I think the American weapons industry will be happy too. But most of all the super-rich who want to turn Great Britain into a tax haven will love it more than anything. The regular people not so much.
Lads it's high time for a United Ireland. That way Northern Ireland gets to stay in the EU and there will be no hard border for eternity.
16:40 is it just me, or was she about to say "I would stand back and I'd start firing", but she checked herself just in time? Also, if there was a united Ireland it would be by a democratic vote and there would be no British army.
Yes she did
Yes, I anticipated her finishing the sentence that way too, before she caught herself. I was disgusted she'd say such a thing.
The British should completely disown this DUP mob. They belong in a different century.
She actually said "I'd stand firm with the British".
@@sbor2020 yes, that was a some recovery. I still can't figure out how she managed to cover her tracks so quickly by replacing the word"fire" with "firm". Brilliant!
Such a great film that make you think quietly and deeply for some minutes. Good job Guardian!
DUPs answer if there was a democratically voted united Ireland " id get my uniform back on and start firin." lunacy.
Except the state paid for her uniform and her terrorist activities. She'd have to spend her own money now.
Being in the US we don't hear quite as much about Brexit, especially from the Irish perspective. This was very informative. It's interesting how some people (seems to be mostly older folks) wanting to go back "to the way things were" and younger folks wanting to keep "moving forward". Very similar to the pro/anti Trump feelings here.
Spike Spiegel Trust me. I sometimes look at Trump’s USA as a form of light relief compared to how screwed up we have been. We have a weak and divided government. Most of the time the main opposition party would be miles ahead in the polls, but Labour are at best level with the Tories, and are equally a mess.
Right now, thanks to Brexit, we look like a politically failed state, and it astonishes how many in England don’t care about the effect in Northern Ireland. There are political sensitivities about whether it should be part of the UK, but there are people over here who would be happy to see the Irish killing each other again. They see it as a price worth paying if they get Brexit.
Democracy is a terrible thing
@@colinbaker3916 As I've said to people.... we have Trump for 2-6 years while the UK may have to deal with the Brexit mess for over a generation. I feel for the the young people who are dealing with the messes of the old.
Bradley McP My friend, you have a SCOTUS that could reverse progressive ideals for decades.
Acid Painter It’s fine, until it’s denied to some of those most affected.
Hello, I'm French and I discovered your channel today. It's hard to understand what's going on in the UK when you do not know English well. Thank you for these interesting reports.
What the lady in the DUP Office says is chilling.
It's not really chilling when you hear it so often. There are still a lot of people on the loyalist side who feel this way. I never got it.
Pint looks great.
donal reddington that’s my pub there’s a free one for you for that comment 😉
a pint is God's way of making life bearable
Thanks for capturing the uncertain future faced by people in Northern Ireland
Where are all the "leave means leave", "I voted out" and "project fear" comments?
They realized that they convinced everyone of the Leave means leave argument. Its a clear argument 100%, I've checked, Leave does in fact mean leave! I'm convinced it does. Argument won.
They will never try such a thing on a Northern Ireland subject video. They know they'd be trampled on.
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Thanks for having me John, was a pleasure to work with you 🍀
Arlene Foster's town Eniskillen is so bleak,with the towering steeples,the fog and the rain, stuff of a nightmares 😨😨.The views of the lady from Arlene Foster campaign office are even more bleaker,regressive and abhorrent.I pray for the Unification of Ireland and its people.
The only nightmare I think of when I think of Enniskillen has to do with Irish Republicans murdering a bunch of people celebrating Remembrance Day.
I recall travelling to Northern Ireland from Dublin in the late 60s. The DUP lady is a perfect replica of people from the Unionist side from then. To some degree, I can understand though never share, her fear and resentment but lady, things change, even for people who have been there for 400 years. There are those who have been there for a lot longer, with no protection from the power in the land. It's time we all recognised the island of Ireland as a unity.
The English karmic debt is incalculable. But it is being called in ...
That is a chilling statement - the only comment that made me pause.
That's a cool statement. Love it. Thanks.
Makes you think.
I was born and raised in Derry, Northern Ireland, a nationalist with a small n, cultural. GFA ticked all the boxes. Now Brexit has thrown a spanner in the works. With the NI voting to remain I just don't understand the DUP. Under the current leadership's watch, reunification is a now a real possibility. Arelene and the rest, haven't the strategy of Peter Robinson or the carrisma of the late Ian Paisley.
My small n is now a capital.
Plenty in the Republic were small n too; now that has also changed to big N.
The DUP want a hard Brexit I believe. They do not say it publicly because NI voted to stay and it would not serve their popularity. The DUP has one motive always - Keep NI as far away from the Republic as possible to prevent a United Ireland. They believe a hard Brexit will push NI further away and void the 'damage' the GFA has done to their position and future in the UK. So, they do not care what damage Brexit does to the UK. They live on handouts anyway. But they play a very dangerous game. After Brexit, the people of NI will learn first hand what reality is and see the damage the DUP brought upon them against their will. Then Scotland will push for another referendum as they have warned should they be dragged out of the single market. The UK economy will slide and the English will start to resent the subsidies the pay to NI. Sinn Féin will push for a border poll and the English will be faced with a possible split of their own island and facing a border with the EU on the island of Britain. All of this could easily lead to a United Ireland all because the DUP can't get over themselves. If they had have accepted a special arrangement for NI, it would have served them better. Why would NI want to join the Republic when it enjoyed the best of both worlds? That would have protected their union. But, no. They just can't see the wood for the trees.
Arlene is using her position to pad her bank account. Politics are just a means of enrichment to her.
DUP supporter, how depressing!!
I'm not saying vote Sinn Féin, but there has to be a better option for you. UUP or Alliance or Monster Raving Loony party?
Martin Burns Yes. What happened to the UUP? If that woman near the end is one of many, no wonder politics has been paralysed over there for so long.
@@colinbaker3916 The UUP simply lost its glamour against the more fundamental DUP since 2006. The UUP supported the GFA, Arlene Foster migrated from the UUP tot he DUP. The DUP has been more effective at retaining loyal Loyalists and Unionists. It lost some seats in May's 2017 snap election.
The real horror was the Irish man repping a Jack Daniel shirt. You have some of the best whiskey in the world!
Aye but no one in Ireland is gonna go around wearing a Jameson or Midleton t shirt
@@CrackaPackify PROPER 12. It's yer only fookin man!😂
@@CrackaPackify They don't give away free t-shirts, that's all.
Dont say that its an insult: in america the product is: whis *key* , the product from ireland and scottland: whis *ky*
@@maxschmidt1787 it's whisky in Scotland and whiskey in Ireland..
What the Brexiteers don't seem to get is that border checks will not be about UK checks on EU goods entering the UK; but EU checks on goods exiting the UK. We could unilaterally forgo checks on imports from the EU, taking on trust that all goods from the EU will be compliant to EU regulations which for a time being are the same as the UK. However if the UK , as the hard Brexiteers want becomes awash with cheap goods from abroad than the EU could not trust goods entering from the UK and be able to preserve the customs union. For example if as part of a UK US trade deal the UK is forced to allow the sale of chlorinated chicken, then all chicken exiting the UK will have to be examined to prevent the UK becoming a transhipment point for meat illegal in the EU, this would apply to all products, any products exported or transhipped through the UK to the EU would need to meet EU regulations. Ignoring for a moment the question of tariffs the only way to prevent this happening is if in any future trade deal with other nations the UK insists that goods be it meat, vehicles, electronics or electricals are compliant with EU standards. Post Brexit if we wish to trade with the EU we would remain locked into EU regulations, exactly as we are now, but with no say in the drafting and formatting those regulations. For those salivating at the idea of a bonfire of EU regulations and cheap food and products, things are cheap for a reason and regulations save lives and protect your health. Have you ever wondered why Chinese parents prefer infant formula produced in the EU, however much more expensive it maybe and whatever the markup that middlemen add to it, or why American meat has to be chemically washed?
I appreciate you are against having post brexit border checks but you central point about UK could NOT have checks is just factually impossible given the reality of international trade even outside the EU customs union.
Under WTO trading regs there is are a whole host of regulations that mean inputs are have to be inspected for a whole variety of reasons. Anti dumping rules, equal application of tariffs and/or duty, anti smuggling rules, various anti drug and security protocols. Even if Britain decided it wanted zero trade with the EU trade zone it would still need to have border checks on incoming goods into Northern Ireland in order to be member of WTO with any standing.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q I think you could still forego the checks. It's just that, under WTO, any checks foregone have to be foregone for all WTO members. Which is unprecedented and infeasible.
@@sugoruyo That would only work if the UK become simply an importer country only. If UK wanted to allow transhipment and export goods which used any material sourced from outside the UK, there a whole raft of WTO country of origin rules and regs it has to comply which a zero check border would make impossible to be trusted over. For instance the british govt couldn't claim UK yogurt was only made from British sourced milk as it has no way stopping or even know how much milk come across the border.
Yup.
"No one wants a return to the troubles, but..." DUP in a nutshell. If you have a death wish you need professional help not a parliamentary position...
They do have a death wish tho that's the problem
paramilitary position, more like.
How that pub joke should go:-
Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman walk into a bar, The Englishman wants to leave.......................................everyone in the pub cheers!
This really illustrates the reality of our situation here on the Island of Ireland, a generation that have grown up in peace on both sides of the religious divide, the majority of whom are not segregated in their hearts or minds by either sectarianism or any border.
They live in the present and look towards the future with the hope and expectation of achieving their life goals, working in careers, starting businesses, falling in love and raising families of their own, but there are those that live in the past would drag us all back there in a heartbeat and not because they are oblivious to the consequences, they would do so with full knowledge of the
consequences and would gleefully embrace them...
Dvseir, so right. This is why the extremists and the criminal thugs did not want peace. They have no future, no role, they are nothing in a happy, integrated society. That's bad enough, but the politicians who have stirred hatred for their own career progression, they really are despicable.
This is a great video. Thanks very much for posting it.
No problem
@@theGuardian 👍👍👍👍
fought for this country like how? colonising it?
Sieging it.
Killing the natives and stealing their land.
Good to actually see a major British newspaper do an unbiased review of the Brexit and the views of various sides.
3:11
that "KAT" stands for kill all taigs (a bastardisation of a gaelic word which would actually be a compliment but is used as a pejorative). I wonder how the parents explain that to any inquisitive kids on their way to nursery
They tell them.
@@windmacher i'd imagine it depends on the childs age, and the parents personal views. the truth is basically always best though, I'd agree with that.
Might be stupid question but what are taigs?
Habib Halal Slang for Catholic’s, used by bigot Protestants
@@amc6116 a pejorative like the N word in the US.
i 'm Dutch and I didn't know that people like that DUP lady still exists.
Oh,Yes! In Northern Ireland, perhaps 300,000 at least like her but many far more extreme, far more extreme!
Dutch in 1690 played a part theses bigots pity King William III of Orange had to get involved in Irish and British politics
Excellent as always John Harris. Thank you.
As an American I'm glad to see we haven't cornered the market with Ignorant politicians and their patrons. Hopefully the younger generation in the Republic and the North won't go back to the prior problems and move forward. I hope for the best for everyone that will be affected by this debacle.
Until Biden came along !!!!
That's dup woman lives in fantasy land
Living in the south IRL, after watching this and seeing the DUP ladies thoughts on how things should go sent a shiver down my spine... scary!!!!
Even though my family emigrated to Australia from Ireland when I was very young, the first thing I thought after the Brexit result was, "What's going to happen with the border?"
I think it's fair to say that a significant contingent of the Leave bloc didn't spend so much as a tick of the clock thinking about the ramifications for the island of Ireland.
Sort Australia's problems out first...like how they treat Aborigines....
STOP Brexit! STOP the madness!
Unite Ireland plus irexit. Take charge of our own future, control our own border.
The Touts flung me flying straight back to the early 80's with a blast! Wonderful! I mean the 1980's of course. Not the 1680's....that's wall to wall DUP!
The insanity of Brexit on display. A nation jumping off a cliff just because ...
The clan mindset and militant words of the DUP leader are something else.
This series is exceptional.
Id like to hear more music from the last person you interviewed here.
Susie Blue is her name.
The new generation of Northern Irish must shine a light rather than curse the darkness ...
northern ireland and ulster are not the same.
Northern Ireland is in Ulster, 6/9ths of it.
⅔ of NI is in Ulster and it's commonly referred to as Ulster. It's like how the UK is sometimes referred to as Britain. People know what it means.
The stupid DUP harpy that says she would go back to fighting as Conor McGregor would say 'You'll do nothing.'.
Couldn't help but laugh at the young lad in the pub arguing with the old man "We can hardly run the 26 we've got why would we want another 6!?"
One thing DUP cheerleader, the six counties are not a country, just a province and the English will betray you in an instant when it becomes expedient.
Friday March 29th Brexit . First day of Business after Brexit is
Monday April 1st..will it be BREXIT FOOLS DAY?
Brexit would have been so much easier if we had left Ireland 100 years ago when they made it clear they didn't want to be ruled by an unelected elite in a foreign country. However we created a Backstop called Northern Ireland and kept Ireland tied to us in a United Custom Kingdom Union causing economic damage and the death of thousands. This was only 50 years after we let 1 million Irish people die of starvation (and yet we make sneering jokes about potatoes) If we got out of Ireland now and allowed our neighbours to reunite then Brexit would be easily completed.
There should be no British border in Ireland. The Irish border for the whole island is at the beach. Yet we are happy to make Ireland suffer again because our unelected German elites sitting in Buckingham Palace say so.
When we go into WTO rules we need to deal with countries like India who will remember the damage we did to their country when we starved 12 million Indians and left their country partitioned too. Will they be as welcoming to invite us in to trade again? Trusting us will not be front of mind for them this time.
The world is watching how we English behave and so many have now been truly educated on our devastating history in Ireland and on how we use words like Nazis at the EU when we don't get our way. It's disrespectful to those who experienced actual Nazis.
We should truly be ashamed of ourselves by continuing to have any decisions in Irish sovereignty. We voted out of Europe but we won't allow Ireland to vote out of the UK. What is wrong with us?.
May God save England because Meghan Markle won't save us. We need to give Ireland back control of it's borders and release them from our Union which they never voted to be part of but were forced into . All the things we claim the EU did to us we have done and continue to do to Ireland. Fellow Brits , let's respect Ireland for once
James, thanks very much for that. Don't beat yourself up too much, the vast majority of English people are great. I believe this is true of all peoples, the ruling class and ignorant excepted.
Thanks James ,much appreciated.
Derry is the lead actor in this film. which highlights the burgeoning music scene in the city. Derry, whose majority Catholic Nationalist population was included in the pro-UK "6 County" statelet created and maintained by apartheid and discrimination, until the Good Friday Agreement, of which the DUP want to see an end. Derry, overlooked for the logical citing of a University which went to the minor town of Coleraine, for no other reason than that Coleraine had a majority of Ulster Protestants. Londonderry, because London funded its colonialisation. Londonderry: Croppies lie down. You could put music to it. Martial music.
That one woman from the dup hasn't a clue. Nobody faught for northern Ireland it was taken. Independence happened over a hundred years ago before her time. So for her to say what she said is misguided and wrong, seeming like she's advocating new troubles. Plenty of people from the south faught in wars along side the English she can still do that if she wants it's up to her but the fact was northern Ireland as a whole voted to remain yet because England has a bigger population northern Ireland is now being dragged out of the EU along with Scotland yaaaay democracy in a wholely flawed union.
I love these videos.
I love this comment.
"I want this country the way it was 40 years ago" Probably will come true for her...troubles an'all.
Brilliant journalistic piece, Guardian. Wish the same sensibility to this issue was shared by your compatriots. 🇮🇪🕊
Thank you for the video!!
Incredible achievement for her great grandfather to have fought for a "country" that didn't exist until 1921.
10:17 he's nearly 50!!! He looks like he's in his late 20s
lucky wife?
Think it was the camera man who spoke.
Christ, you've had a hard life if you think he looks under 30.
Wtf 😂 this dude is in 20's you say? You cant be serious!! 😆
@@CharalamposKoundourakis No it was John Harris who was 50 last month.
She doesn’t agree with the Good Friday Agreement 🤬 The reporter was visibly upset by her and rightly so! What an absolute wagon.
Yes that last musician - "we're going to unite in other ways". and John - "As much as some people want to step backwards, there are lots of people who want to carry on walking into the future. they're the people who give me hope. they're not going to be defined by this."
Brits out! Be irish or leave!
Eire united!
Seems guy fawkes was a few centuries 2 late.this tory government must b stopped
Very serious stuff here, what a mess.
What could possibly go wrong?
I am British and I care for everyone in Ireland,
one in a million.
Why do unionists always resolve to conflict while stating brexit is not a problem?
some humans are geared that way?
and except for genetic cleansing or manipulation civilization will not be able to get rid of them?
so the social/economical/political system either is capable to deal with them (tolerant, peace, cooperation, competition) or if not and those get in any position of power, they will destroy that civilization
and yes, the UKs current political/economical system is not dealing properly with this, which is why its in such a mess
time for reforms have passed and looks like more pressure needs to build to enable change
unfortunately too much pressure often not just changes stuff, but also destroys things one let loose
tricky and a bit like gambling
;-)
Phenomenal reporter! Would love to see him cover some more on the struggles in Ireland
Why did 44% of people in NI vote for Brexit? Wasn’t the issue of the border emphasised there before the vote?
Should be the same country ....
Up Derry 🇮🇪
"Why would you give it up because you signed a piece of paper" That's how wars end. Has no one told her the pen is mightier than the sword?
the ex UDR lady seems honest. But she is unaware of a few facts. The most important one is the N.Ireland has never stood on its own feet since 1921. It has always been bankrolled by someone else whether GB or EU.
Fantastic as always, please make more!
My maternal grandparents were from Ireland sadly haven't been there yet
Come on over. We're a fairly friendly bunch.
Excellent. Come visit.
Better still, your Irish grandmother entitles you to an Irish passport. And an Irish passport is also and EU passport, which may be useful if you don't already live in the EU: freedom of movement in 27 European countries.
You can definitely apply for an Irish passport fyi!
And yeah, we'd be glad to see you have a look around here. What parts of Ireland do you think they were from?
I live in Dublin, but personally for guests visiting I'd like showing them anywhere but Dublin.
If possible, go down the West coast. Check out the Wild Atlantic Way for ideas where to stop. But if you'd like a pint in Dublin I'd probably be around when you make the trip. Any excuse for a pint is welcome 😀
@@sashman02 *creepy
As usual, the answers are on the street, if only we take the time to ask.....Keep up the good work and am personally inspired by these videos in my own area of research to keep talking to people...
Great piece of reporting as usual by John Harris.
I would love to see you guys do a documentary on what the teenagers/youth think about it. We had a long discussion about today in history.
Great work, thank you for asking the right people the right questions.
Btw the Dup are a disaster, Brexit is a disaster.
So she regrets the Good Friday agreement and that's why she is for Brexit?
I think the fear of recurrance of violance by the musicians and the guys in the pub is very realistic.
There's plenty of time so we'll just keep debating. It's only in March that anything will happen. OH BLOODY FLIPPING HELL IT'S HALFWAY FEBRUARY!
Great video! Love Derry!
I have been closely following news regarding BREXIT, since the day of the vote. This video is the first one I've seen that puts the reality of BREXIT into personal perspective, especially regarding Ireland. I now understand the future tragedies that would be caused by BREXIT. Therefore, I totally disagree with it. The EU is a type of family now, and a family should not break up, because it has disagreements. They should and can resolve their differences. I pray the "Brexiteers" come to their senses, and see this tragic potential that they did not see before they voted. The U.K. Parliament should and can take a stand, and override the referendum vote, which never should have taken place. Their rationale should be the overwhelming dynamics that are precursors to all types of wars, where no one wins. Thank you for a down-to-earth video in this issue.
The EU is not in any way a family, it's a neo-liberal machine that causes great harm.
Amazing program, thanks for the insights!
An Irishman, Scotsman and Englishman went into a bar in the north of Ireland, the Scotsman and Englishman got served but the Irishman didn't because he went into the wrong bar...