650cc Motorcycle Tier List
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There's so many 650s out there, I am curious as to how y'all would rank them. Also don't forget to get entered to win a FREE 650! The CB650R, the DRZ400, and the Ninja 400 are all going for free, sign up at yammienoob.co/
Could you do a list on cruisers.
this video was so biased and misleading that i felt that i was watching fox news , aprilla 660 hasnt even launched, yet it goes ont the s tier , triumph ST goes on B tier is just blasphemous on the yammie noob channel , p.s as an indian i felt that the jammie jay didnt understand the idea of a retro 650 motorcycle or a cheap moto by Royal enfield
Am I supposed to be cheering about your picks for the s tier bikes. Shove it up your dark side
The Ducati Monster 659 is an Australian/New Zealand only model, would make a great addition to S tier
GTR650 in a D class? Yeah right it has the same motor as an SV650 with fully adjustable suspension...and you put it in the D class? The sv 650 doesn’t have adjustable suspension like the GTR has.
The 675 is in a totally different class
Uncle J: "street triple is B because its not beginner friendly"
Also Uncle J: "Aprilia 660 is S tier, its gonna beat the pocket rocket 600s"
Not to mention I'm going to guess the $$$ for the Aprilia will be more than the highest spec Street Triple.
It'll have less HP, lower tq. probably be heavier, not as comfortable to ride, cost more, and be harder to get parts for because dealers are are spread as thin as the hair on Yammie's head. Yes, that was a bald joke. I could have said my head but no one knows me, so deal with it Yam. Deal with it.
tommy605 i give that joke a 0 out of 10. Get it?😂
@@orangeballs4536 Only because the emoji gave it away. ;-)
To be fair the Royal Enfield is more than $1000 less than anything else on the list* and it's actually not ugly.
*Can't be bothered to price the Hyosung.
I doubt he actually rode one.
Duke 390 is way better than this royal Enfield
@@felakawilam5747 totally different style bike, but yeah, KTM is doing good things. I got to ride their 690 a few times and it was outstanding.
Royal enfield 650cc 47hp trash 😂 in Malaysia just buy y15zr 150cc upgrade to bigger piston 65 68mm/head/exhaust throttle body ecu crank shaft easy 40hp more cheap or you can buy another bike more power than royal enfield
@@schbrthkumpau There's an EU motorcycle licence that lets you ride bikes up to 47hp so that's why it's intentionally this 'low' power. Plus Royal Enfield's aren't exactly made to be ridden fast, if you want a fast bike you buy something else.
The street triple 765 rs, dont belongs in this video, beacuse it competes with bikes like the mt-09, z900, duke 890r..do your homework newb.
Do you mean the 765 rs and the unreleased 890 duke r? Does someone else need to do some homework?
@@scottyscragg5352 thnx for the correction boomer.
@@laurencevanpuyvelde7159 *Millennial, and you're welcome
I own an RS and it is head and shoulders above the other bikes in this video. However whilst an S class bike for sure it is NOT a beginner bike by any means - 120+ HP 57 ft lbs of torque. This is an upright sportsbike.
@@filmcamera I agree.. the street triples have always been beasts.
Dude you guys never rode a z650 - try it then rate it
I made my license on sv so I did... And I didn't like it... Sorry but it's true.
@@artanis1001 kawa z650 not suzu sv650.. but i was referring to the Yammie crew specifically - it's not very fair to rate a bike without riding it first
Wally Kos oh... sorry my mistake :) I have the Z650 and it's awesome! :)
I owned one and kinda got old of it a little. I think it's a good, cheap prices starting point of the beginner standard rider but I just go old of it after a few months, I traded it in and upgraded to a fz09
How the hell is the Ninja 650 so low this is some bs
Stirring the pot bb 😉
@@yammienoob thank you for the reply Jammie J. I'm kinda biased because I'm buying a Ninja 650 next year 🤣
Because it's not a ninja. It's an er6f playing dress up.
its a ninja trust me..its super flickable, easy handling and can beat most of superbikes in tight corner(road).. (superbike that i beat list: cbr600, r1, zx10)
@@ZSaverZ88 lol that just means the guys on those bikes lacked talent.
"Can't go wrong with an italian". Comedy gold.
I am the proud owner of a couple of bikes, one is the Ninja 650. The reason I bought the bike was the availability of after market parts, the reliability, the look, and the really, the dash was better than the SV and MT, and for something I was going to be looking at a lot when I ride, that was a major consideration. The 6 less hp wasn't a concern, because you know, laws. It's better on the highway with the fairings than the others in the class (with exception of RR660 and CBR650) and I do about 40% commuting on the bike, so that was also a consideration. On the couple of track days I had with it so far, it performs very well and reality is it is capable of far more than what I can get out of it.
To have the SV and MT in the S and the Ninja and Z 650's in the C and D is mind boggling.
I'll be unsubbing to you because you don't agree with me and you picked bikes that are obviously inferior to mine.
(Does anyone still get sarcasm?)
Dude same. The ninja 650 is a sweet little bike. Great for cruising the countryside, flying down the highway, putting around town. I use it for cruising and commuting. Love it so much! And I will never use everything it has to offer. It's a perfect bike imo. Looks amazing too
Couldn't agree more. It's my first bike and now 4 months and 3100 miles on it from new, it is a great bike. The engine has smoothened considerably as it wears in. I'm getting 65+ mpg and I love the way it handles and teaches me country twisty up and down cornering on southern Oregon roads. I couldn't ask for more. Yammie: "It doesn't have the power or performance...'blah blah'." I have yet to wring it out of everything it's capable of delivering. For example at 40 mph in 4th gear going up hill, just try rollingo on the throttle and be prepared for some REAL torquey acceleration. Yammie hasn't ridden this bike but makes judgements based on paper specs. For shame. That's ok. We Ninja 650 enthusiasts know better what a great bike this is!
I believe you should compare royal Enfield twins with 300-400cc bikes. Cause they are priced around them. The smooth engine and superb gearbox and the retro style.. great combination. Everyone doesn't have a taste for retros, but whoever has they would love it.
Agreed. Bought mine for the gorgeous engine and retro look. Got a 790 Duke for hooning.
The Honda CB650R should also be in the S tier
Yeah, I would rather have the CB650R over the SV650 or MT-07.
It rides like a wet noodle though, easily the slowest inline 4 for the 600-700 cc class.
I also watched Papa Yam's comparison of the CB650R and the SV650, The CB650R won.
I had a cb650, went to a zx6r then to an sv650. Cb650 was the least fun to ride but the best all rounder. Zx6r and sv650 are both really good hooligan bikes for different reasons
Great video Jammie J, thank you!
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Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to everyone!
Iv still got my first 'big' bike....MT07 motocage i absolutely love it! Had it just over 3 years and it still puts a huge grin on my face every day
Great vid Yammie Noob and great info
Great to see the MT07 up there - Americans miss out on the Tracer 700 which is basically an MT07 dressed up as a V-Strom and it really works!!
Conti GT for those of us who don’t
Want to look like wannabe hells angels or power rangers
Royal Enfields are quite popular in the UK and the 47hp is perfect for A2 riders 👍🏼
I mean he didn't even mention that it's the most bang for buck bike in the list. You get what you pay for, most of these bikes cost twice.
@@SurajSinghTomarArya But we're getting almost twice the power. So considering power, it really isn't?
@@SurajSinghTomarArya imagine being poor
You forgot the Kawasaki Vulcan S 650.
BTDT_Chino : He’s not a Cruiser aware guy.. In another video, he mentioned Vulcan S, but showed the pic of the big Vulcan.
I have the 2018 version and I fucking love it lol
Just bought one this month as my first bike, its fucking epic!
I bought this as an upgrade over a Harley Street 500 and I absolutely love it
@@skiblader85 Bro, everything is an upgrade over a Street 500. That thing is the worst bike HD ever produced.
V-Strom in the A tier! I have an K5 DL650 and I LOVE it. (Same engine as the SV650 too)
Hold up, parallel v twin???
@@AbdurrahmanZedSaeed nah, he said the v strom has a parallel v twin👀
Heard that and scrolled down to make sure I wasn’t alone lol
Yeah, how does that work? Can we get an image so we less tech minded can comprehend. 😏
@@iallso1 That's only possible in the 4th dimension.
@@iallso1 That's easy my friend. You mount a V-twin, and then add another v-twin in parallel to the first one. Hence, you get a... v4?
While I dont completely agree with this list, you sure as hell got the s tier right. Can't beat the sound, looks and performance of the sv650 and mt-07 for the price tag. Despite wanting my next bike to be something upwards of a 100hp, I can't help but think the mt-07 will some day be in my garage for it sound alone.
Wtf is a “parallel V-twin”? Parallel implies the cylinders are side by size and V implies they’re opposed as an angle of some sort.
He said parallel twin not v-twin alluding to it being a inline2
7:51
Maybe he misspoke, but he said parallel v-twin.
I'm 3 months late. Nobody cares anymore, do they?
@@thomascrownbuerger he meant parallel mounted moto guzzi does it the other way, which in my opinion looks better
"Sunny Day,Harrison Bay, Are-You-Gay, Jammie JAY" has just invented a new Engine.."Parallel V-Twin"
Informative
Still love my Ninja 650. For the price and looks, I love this bike. The Aprilia would be a nice bike to have for sure.
The best part of the 650 class is also the insurance prices are much lower than the super sports plus the fact you can ride it for years and not want to get rid of it maybe add another bike to the stable
Clippers Suck 2016 CBR650F
Glad to see the V-Strom getting some love!! Not as sexy looking as the sv650 but comfortable and practical AF!!!
I remember my cousin had a Vstrom650 a year back, went for touring in the mountains, got the bike's body loosen up, sold the next day. The fit and finish you will get from that bike is like a toy. Maybe good for smooth roads but in half-built roads, a 20-30kms stretch will loose your fit.
He owns a less powerfull Honda 500x and he is happy with that
The fact that aprilla is S tier without being released yet bothers me also it's a supersport bike like r6 and zx6. Street triple and cb/r650 are league above with other midweight bikes like z900 mt09 gsxs750. They're not your typical 650 not from HP point of view and not in the same budget range, They're much more expensive and faster with better parts. 650 class always been budget and newer rider friendly bikes which offers the best bang for your buck. 100 plus HP top premium bikes are not what 650 demographic looking for.
yeah, there's not much consistency here. If the tier list is aimed at newer riders, why include bikes like the Street Triple or Aprillia at all?
My only problem with the street triple is the reliability, and it is really competing with the likes of the mt09, z800 and gsx750. If we're going off pure performance and enjoyability, I'd take the triumph any day off the week though
@@leventenagy4302 I don't think reliability issues have been a thing with the Striple for years now. It's part of Triumph's bread and butter and now that the engine is powering Moto2 bikes, they REALLY ain't fucking around with that either.
@@leventenagy4302 I really don't understand his ranking and what criteria he was judging the bikes. If the budget and accessibility is irrelevant, Cb/r650 and street triple should easily be S tier they're simply much better bikes with better parts and built quality than any other bike in the list. There is absolutely no reason to pick mt07 or sv650 over cb650 or street triple. But if budget and accessibility is relevant how aprilla's mid weight supersport bike which fully loaded with all of the bells and whistles on the S tier It's easily going to be the expensive one on the list. Btw z800 got discontinued back in 2017 and replaced by z900.
@김지운 It's not just about the price but performance as well. 650cc class usually considered for the people who want a bike which is not too fast nor to slow bike and good option to smartly start on and grow with, Without putting yourself in danger. Gsxs750 is a powerful mid weight naked bike. Which can be too much for inexperienced rider. It had 115HP which all tuned down low. Performance wise it matches street triple and mt09 z900 cb650 and all other mid weight naked bikes.
Good lord this nearly entirely wrong. Yam come fix this.
No its not? Just because your favorite bike isn't s tier doesn't make it wrong lol. The bikes that are listed are correct, whether you like it or not
Dylan G haha so their opinion doesn’t matter, but this is entirely correct “like it or not”??? Right... but you do know that is just an opinion, and that rating bikes into tiers is entirely subjective, don’t you? But nah this is the truly correct order. Never mind there is no actual criteria or objective measures, there is no room for a difference in opinion.
Emil Chandran Yeah you right, my b
@@emilchandran546 So what you think a bike with 2 more horsepower, but less overall power, less top speed, a pogo stick for suspension, and 2 bananas for brakes is 3 whole tiers above a bike made of premium parts at the same price point? You're on drugs.
[HUN]AntaresSQ01 three tiers of what? Value, performance maybe not. But I would rather have a RE. It’s affordable, got loads of history, it’s kinda in my blood, I’m not Indian but my family is and over there RE’s are super popular.
But that’s besides the point, my point was this “tier list” is objectively, meaningless. It doesn’t have any points system or rationale. Therefore it is nothing more than an opinion. And an opinion is not correct or incorrect. Not unless it is backed up by something else. So it really is pointless to say “no ___ bike is actually is an ___ teir”.
Uncle Jams 🤩, we love you.
In Europe the Versys (which I'm planning to buy soon) have a huge success and for our roads are really smart!
Anyway, nice comparison
Ya the versys does not perfectly but does it all a little bit. It's a great machine.
I just picked up a sv650 2018. First bike, pretty excited.
Fz07 is god tier a lot of lists, best bang for buck, best light weight bike, best twin cylinder engine, most fun bike to own.
Happy Friday y’all!🤘🏼
Lovin' your work Jammie J 👍
When are we getting a face reveal?!
His face was in the video😉
Hell yeah Yamaha MT-07! My first bike! Love it to death!!!
Heck yeah! Go KLR!
I think it's worth mentioning that a Harley has a belt drive, which completely removes the Very regular chain servicing that is needed on almost any other bike. I have a sportster 1200 and I would definitely recommend one for a new rider. I'm also enjoying the hell out of my 2018 Yamaha MT 07, it made the top of the list for good reason.
I own a 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan 650 s. And I love it, it is my first bike and I have no issues with it
The "Goodbye" at the end reminded me of Pathfinder
I’m new to the motorcycle game but I’ve put on a couple before. I was leaning more toward the ninja 650 with clip ons but that cbr650r looks just right. That Aprilia though holy shit man
I want that same aprilia some day but the reliability is the question. It's good all around. Just reliability I'm worried about. It will be expensive too. European things cost alot.
I think the z650 looks like an amazing naked and Kawasaki in general are pretty reliable
It looks good and there is nothing wrong with the riding experience but, it's just boring honestly. I have owned one and yes it is reliable, easy to work on and easy to ride and all that. It just dosent have a ton to offer. It makes a good choice for a beginner standard rider but not much past that. I traded mine in after only a few months and got an FZ 09
fck this, kawa one love) nice video, gj, ty very much
I'm 20 years old and got my first bike a year ago, on May 1st.
It's a really old bike from 1993, a Honda NTV 650 (which is similar to the Hawk GT you got in the states) for arround 1200€. A carburated 62°V twin with 60hp and a massive 212kg dry weight (460lbs)
I Absolutely love it. Handeling is great for a bike with this much mass, the old engine that needs some sweet pillow talk when starting. And the thing is indestructible. Normally at 50.000 miles most would think a bike wont last much longer. Here the NTV is just bearly run in and is good for 3 to 4 times that. Ive never even heard or read about an NTV with an engine failure. Also its shaft drive with a single swingarm.
I dont know why but i love older bikes/cars. just old fashion mechanics and no electronic nick nacks.
Definitely keeping my SV650S forever now. 👍
I should mention that the interceptor and continental gt's are actually well built, simple, and most importantly, sell from $5,800 to $6,000 brand spanking new. I actually really like these machines.
Clorox Bleach exactly wtf 🧐
Just bought a Continental GT and will be taking it home in the Spring. Wonder if they would get more respect if they were 4000$ more expensive. The Kawasaki W800 was the same price as my KTM 790 Duke.
@@GrtSatan From what I could tell, the general consensus amongst reviewers comparing the W800 and the GT 650 is that the Royal Enfield had better riding characteristics for $3,000 less. I really like the look of the RE twins, and their price potentially pulls me out of the used market and into the new market.
@@peterburch3102 Agreed. Not a hooligan bike by any means but a thoroughly competent all-rounder that just happens to be drop dead gorgeous. Looking forward to riding mine!
And more torque than lot of bikes mentioned
Your explanations for why each bike is where it is, is very disappointing. Just a lot of fluff and beating around the bush.
When I’m older I’m planning on starting on something like a duke 390, or going more and pulling an mt 07
And I have (probably not sold in the USA) a Triumph Street Triple S A2 660cc derestricted from 47 bhp to 94 Bhp. Quick enough for me and the triple sounds way better than the twins. Plus it is in bright red !
I don't have one, but the RE Interceptor looks good to me for those who want retro looks at a very good price. Also A2 friendly in UK and Euroland.
How do you derestrict it
@@mrmagoo8300 It was a new throttle twist grip from Triumph, and Triumph also have to do some ECU remapping. In the UK, almost 2 years ago (Oct 2019) , this cost me about £200. It was about £120 for the throttle twist grip, and £80 for a Triumph dealers to do the work. I think Triumph are a bit secretive about their ECU maps, so getting a non Triumph dealer to do it could be difficult.
Nope. Kawasaki Z650 waaaay better. A-Tier
Almost got the V Strom till I got a good deal on the NC700X. I'm addicted to it's awesome storage compartment.
A comparison between the Ninja 650 and the Ninja 636 might be interesting to bring up.
The Royal Enfield is a pretty decent bike for it's price and intent, IE: Modern Retro bike.__I'm liking mine, along with the rest of The Stable.
I would also class the Monster 797 with this group. Thoughts?
Can you do a video of Do’s and Don’ts of night riding?
The 2 “S” tier yamahas belong in the B tier at most and the 2 hondas (cb and CBR) are S tier all day long.
Yamaha shits on Honda all day in the bike world
@@joshdaddy5338 how do you know, you have never owned bike 😂
@@joshdaddy5338 ??? Cbr1000rr claps the hell out of the r1
@#swag !!!!!!!! what type of performance are you talking about? In the corners or top end because cbr beats it in both
Honda's fanboys are always good for a laugh.
I miss when Yams would say "wretched little machine" lmao
You know after you hit all the bike sizes don't forget to do a tier list for cruisers and scooters
where is the yamaha tenere 700? it has 689ccm or so and the reviews are quite good. i'm getting me one in early 2020. super hyped!
What about the Vulcan S? Considered the more friendly beginner bike
The Vulcan s is the best 650 Kawasaki. Probably not included on the list because they'd have to put a cruiser in A tier 🤷♂️
Vulcan sucks big time
Started on the Kawasaki Vulcan S 650 and Im surprised it was never mentioned in this video. Now Im ridin the Yammie FJ09 just like you show here 8:39
V-strom love. 'A' class got to agree 👍
Bloody love the classical music
I was listening at the gym using headphones. Thought the gym was playing classy music, not realizing it was the Yamster.
Can you make a video comparing twin cylinder 600-650 bikes versus the inline 4 600-650 bikes? There is so much crossover between the numbers it can be confusing which has 60hp versus 120hp
so much love for the vulcan s in the comments. when is yam going to deem it worthy of his lists?
Well his patreons voted for the ninja 400 yet he still can't admit it is a really good bike
Make a video for the 750-900 cc class nakeds/streetfighters, like the suzuki 750, kawasaki z900, triumph street triple s , etc.
Continental GT 650 anyone? Yeah it’s still at 47 horses but then the gear box out plays the Yamaha’s and Kawis. I could go on about it but then just a thought. Peace out ✌🏼
Nah bru. INT 650 and GT 650's are boring compared to the MT-07. Cool if you want a 60's beach cruiser or to own a Bonneville's emaciated-generic-cheap cousin, but if you want solid performance mixed with enough HP to have you riding happy for a few years, I would stay away from Royal Enfield.
Just watch the Fort9 vid or something? 😂
@@matthewst.andrew10 They are gorgeous bikes at a bargain price. Don't understand the hostility towards them. What's not to like? Just bought one and can't wait to humiliate the sporties on my favourite road. And yes, it will happen.
You guys missed my bike, Moto Guzzi V7III stone night pack. I am wondering where you would put it? Checked out a bunch of your vids lately and it seems you dont pay attention to much that doesnt qualify as a crotch rocket though so I'm not surprised you missed it.
Well, thanks to Yammie and other youtubers, I actually bought a 125cc bike earlier this year, learned to ride it and now I'm done with it. When I pass my A license next year, I'm gonna get rid of it and probably buy an SV650. Yam has successfully biased me towards this bike.
Best 650 out there is the Norton Superlight, 650cc parallel twin, 270 degree firing, 105bhp, 75 Nm
I wanted the MT-07. The dealbreaker for me was the lack of a slipper clutch and clutch assist.
7:44? What did you just say? 645 parallel v-twin? Which one is it
Great video..I think the 650R is alittle better bike on paper then the SV 650.just my thoughts.. everything else perfect..lol keep up the good work...
The Triumph Street Triple is leagues above these other bikes and should not have been in this comparison at all. It absolutely dominates its class. As for the cost? Brembos and Ohlins don’t come cheap
Leagues above all the bikes except the aprilla at the end which also shouldn't be in this list bc it will be competing with the 600 cc supersports
Agree.
Agree, definitely doesn't fit in this list. I'm really looking forward to see if the 890 duke r can knock off it's crown of best middle weight naked.
If your into cruisers in this class, the Vulcan S is king, unless you prefer old school styling. It looks nothing like a old school cruiser, it more like a X-divaelS at a price real people can afford. I bought a '17 SE ABS model brand new for less than $8000 all in. Still have it and love it. Love that 650 twin in my bike, great motor.
Worth mentioning the Honda nc700/750 series.. Close competitor to the versys and vstrom
I wonder where my bike, a NC700X (670cc), would fit? And, a bike I'm interested in: the W800. I would include it because it only has 48hp.
The Kawasaki z650 is the bike what riding schools use in the UK after doing the CBT on a 125cc
Haha hey uncle,my new moto which I'm gonna get in March is gonna be a 650 :D
Yamaha Dragstar 650 that is :)
Sold my 1st bike last month which was a Yamaha Virago 250 and in spring getting that awesome Dragstar 650
Can't wait to get it and to start riding again,winter can be so depressing
Oh and I still have the A2 license but the Dragstar 650 fits into that category which is great :)
They are awesome little cruisers m8. I have mine as a daily commute on my L's. Never misses a beat. Enjoy!!
Im pretty sure that Aprilia is more in the 600 supersport class than in the 650 standard class.
What’s a “parallel V twin”?
what about gsx s750? gixxer k5 engine and sweet sounding inline 4 .
Not a true 650, with +110hp inline 4, in fact an engine derived directlly from a 750 sportbike.
Even the 765 street triple shouldnt be too. There still is (at least un europe) a "675" version in sale with 95hp, more adequate to this ranking.
This guy is definitely Yam using a pitch modulator
I liked the FZ07 so much I bought another one for my wife! My (inexperienced) Son jumped on it an rode like he had ridden before. Get the pipe and tune as Yammie says....just do it! The sound is the rats @ss
My 2016 Ninja 650 is red and it's a great bike.
Don't bash my Ninja 650, but I'm going to buy that new Aprillia RS 660. Don't think you could really rank it since it isn't even out yet tbh.
What would you rate a Benelli 600?
Where's the Ducati monster 696? I think I'd throw it in A teir and live mine. What do you think?
7:52 parallel v twin???
Can we see one on the Honda CBR 250r 2012 please
Putting Z650 and KLR650 i the same "C" tier? RLY? KLR650 is a piece of **** bike that doesn't do what it was designed for... but Z650 is an awsome bike. I rode MT-07 and Z650 and they are SOOOO similar... Z650 definitly deserves more than "C".
Thanks, you're welcome, good night :)
I would love to see this re done based on LAMS rules for countries that are restricted due to those rules.
What do you think about the cfmoto 650nk?
Beginner price friendly? What do bike skill got anything to do with income?
Why do you americans recomend 300cc as beginner bike? In my european country we use mt 07 at drivning lessons so why would i go down to a mt 03, do you have another system geting the license?
have 3 hyosung 350s and only thing wrong with them is they stop at 650
The 765 Street Triple or even the old Triple is not in this 650cc class. Have you even ridden one?
Just bought the RE Continental GT650, ain’t the fastest but it ain’t slow.
The Honda's with the inline 4's are S tier imo
Like come on... Price aside, the Honda's are better in almost every way shape and form compared to the SV650 and the FZ 07... Build Quality, Breaks, Power, Suspension, are all superior on the Hondas...
Bennet B Yes, you are right about the Honda having better breaks, more power and more advanced suspension, unfortunately the motor sucks. I owned a 1979 CB650 and it had an annoying flat spot in the powerband. Great to know that after 40 years of R&D at Honda that the new model still has a flat spot. On the other hand the SV650 Suzuki is virtually unchanged in 20 years. A top gear roll on in 6th at 100 km./hr. will have the 4 cylinder bikes struggling to keep up. Just think about how good that v twin motor must be to still be competitive after all that time. Your choice flavour of the month by Honda or a proven V twin classic, hard choice !
this is the problem with fanboys who rate tier base on inline numbers but not the performance of the motorcycle.
Honda nt650v full Turing bike v twin 640 odd cc slow but reliable replaced with the nt700v in the early 2000s shaft drive (no maintenance) grate bike for all round fun seen some with knobby tyres going off road hard and doing it well. used in London as delivery bikes. mostly used as commuter bikes. good platform all round
Need to have a look at the KTM 690 Duke