You got that right...cross port heads will always create higher levels of VE...inline heads like the LS Chevy lend themselves to create more low end torque, but will never match potential power output on the Gen 3. It's just a design constraint..pure and simple.
it's also it's Achilles heel, as you get up in to the 8+ RPM area, the exhaust pulls too hard on the Incoming intake charge and draws out Air/Fuel charge.
The heads are not for 2009 or newer they are for 2008 and older gen 3 hemi’s. Putting the eagle heads on a non eagle engine isn’t straightforward so better aftermarket early gen 3 heads are easier. So they did their job.
Thitek makes a head that will flow over 400 CFM at .600 lift at 28 inches....the mill I'm building now uses a set of Eagle heads., got them to flow 350 CFM at .600 lift...with a 2.14 intake valve, re-worked of course. And the heads cost me all of 300 bucks....insanely cheap horsepower.
@@ibraHemi Actually, I think the Thitek is a better head regarding flow #'s. With stock heads, there are casting limitations, when it comes to porting. The most I've seen Thitek's flow is 440 CFM with a 2,20 Intake valve at .600 lift....pretty darn impressive. Not sure with the Edelbrock heads.
I never gave Chrysler a second look until they came out with the Hemi. When I found that they crap valve seats and cams. I wish I never heard of the Hemi. I wish I still didn't love them. Even with all their flaws I still find them better than most engines. Sorry to hear its not going to be around anymore.
Apparently no one makes a coyote head (besides Ford) because the head is just that good. Difficult to improve on. If your on a budget, get second gens, if not, get gt350 heads.
@@aaronferguson47 I haven't put them on yet. I seen a UA-cam video on them they gave a stock 5.7 60 extra hp from the stock heads no port nothing bolted straight on.
@@EdelbrockTV Love your Products..i Own Many...Many of them....But hands On Motor Heads, like a good look at what there buying...Just have the Camara Man move in for a Couple of Close ups....Im a Cylinder head Porter for 35 years... My buddies are all "up close" "touchy feely"..with performance parts...As am i....Im sure it wouldn't be too long before some one gives me a set to do....Not an Unreasonable Request....I love your new Pontiac heads with the CnC chamber...Who ever made that decision.. Give than man a Cigar...👍
@@EdelbrockTV This is from a post on the FB page "MoparStyle's Drag Racing - Classified Ads & Discussions" where I shared you YT video. He makes a good point. "Robert DeMan I've been told factory Eagle heads flow better than factory LS3 heads do. The cost of the 5.7 is quite reasonable, and becoming plentiful. The 6.1, and 6.4 still priced quite a bit higher. Most aftermarket stuff for the Gen III is comparable with just about every other engine. The cost of a stand alone wiring harness and a good EFI single plane intake manifold is biggest difference between brand. Arrow/Prefix don't seem to make the NASCAR Gen III intake anymore. Ritter has one but after machine work to clean up casting and get EFI bosses done it's around $1400 just intake. I wish Edelbrock produced a single plane Victor Jr. or Super Victor for gen3 in same price point as all other intakes." Looks like the Gen III Hemi's need a HERO to make a carbureted manifold for them. A market waiting to be exploited with all those cheap used 5.7's out there that will drop right into any of the old Mopars let alone all the other vehicles that they will fit in.
Does the heads have all emissions ports for egr solenoid .the ends of the heads look like port is not drilled..did Eric ever work for team c performance in bellflower California..
Bought a set of your Hemi heads 73cc combustion chambers......very disappointed in the flow numbers on the heads...claiming flowing better than the Apache Mopar heads and they DO NOT FLOW AS WELL AS STOCK!!!!.........Thitek is a much better head....does cost twice as much, but you get what you pay for!
Edelbrock always leaves a little horsepower on a table if you truly want to go fast you buy the good AFR heads that out flow these things and have better mid lift also
Your short block is too small to handle much more airflow, they just can't be made very big displacement wise and they already turn a ton of RPM with well done stock heads.
@@EdelbrockTV this one comes up "Long block only. OUT of STOCK." I think Ed was asking what the complete crate engine with the super charger goes for. I'm curious as well.
Out of the box they flow quite a bit more. The big question is how big can a Eagle head go vs how big can the Edelbrock's go. The answer seems very obvious, the Edelbrock's were designed to be ported extensively and the Eagle was not.
The new hemi block is much more rigid with a nice deep skirt, 4 bolt mains, has a dry lifter valley for less leaks, raised cam location to give it a much shorter, stiffer, lighter pushrod, it also drains the oil back to the pan off the crank shaft to reduce drag and oil foaming, smaller diameter lighter lifters, much better coolant flow characteristics to keep a more consistent temp through out the engine. To achieve all these improvements would have required major redesign of the SB and it would look almost nothing like the SB we know, this was basically a clean sheet design.
@@topenddean Rather Depends on the Federal definition on tampering with the Original certification.....Just because it may not be enforced don't mean it is Legal....Federal Clean Air Act, 1996 and up....
What's funny is I've heard the 5.0 Coyote referred to as a 4 valve "hemi" rather than a pentroof. Sounds like they've been playing fast and loose with terminology for a while now.
*Wrong* A Pent Roof and a Hemi are similar, the difference is a Hemi is limited to 2 valves per cylinder where as a Pent Roof is Four. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pent-roof_combustion_chamber Just the fact Ma'am, just the Facts.
@@IhateUA-cam Actully a hemi can have 4 valves per cylinder it just can be really complicated. Something else that blurs the line between a hemi and a pentroof is some 4 valve engine used curved combustion chambers which resembles something in between a "true" hemi and "true" pentroof.
Very good product, but hey clowns, ever heard of Thitek? Your heads aren’t the only aftermarket ones, don’t lie, thitek’s been in the game for years, you can’t fake not knowing about thitek.
Is it just me, or is the video on this just crap? All grainy or possibly out focus. It’s like it was done with a cell phone ☎️?? I’d expect better than this from Edelbrock....
Engine combinations can vary. The chances of someone swapping the heads and not changing anything else are rare. Most people that will change heads will accompany that with cam swap and maybe intake swap and/or FI and calibration. This is why an HP number on something like this is not as easy to answer.
@@anoint426hemi6 With computer aided design (CAD) the test mule is no longer needed. That being said there is still no replacement for real world testing.
@@anoint426hemi6 Also stock to stock isn't what these heads were designed for so the gain would be as dramatic as it would on an engine that can really "Work" the ports.
Since it’s CAD, they should be able to know complete specs and recommend all matching internals for max HP. Yes, for several applications (boosted, turbo, natural aspirated, larger throttle bodies, carbureted, FI). For that kind of money spent on heads, I hope I’m given specs for my application. Or is that a secret I’m supposed to figure out for myself?
Show us a Dyno we Hemi guys want proof. Edlebrock is super late to the game.
Proof and money😎
The advantage of a Hemi is not just the chamber, the cross flow is just as big a advantage.
You got that right...cross port heads will always create higher levels of VE...inline heads like the LS Chevy lend themselves to create more low end torque, but will never match potential power output on the Gen 3. It's just a design constraint..pure and simple.
Coyote guys:🤔🤔🤔😁😁😁😄😄😄🤗🤗🤗
it's also it's Achilles heel, as you get up in to the 8+ RPM area, the exhaust pulls too hard on the Incoming intake charge and draws out Air/Fuel charge.
I mean... The factory 5.7 heads (post 2009) flow better (350s range at .500 lift). You had ONE JOB EDELBROCK
The heads are not for 2009 or newer they are for 2008 and older gen 3 hemi’s. Putting the eagle heads on a non eagle engine isn’t straightforward so better aftermarket early gen 3 heads are easier. So they did their job.
@@joshkrause2977 they compared it to a 6.4 head that didn't even come out till 2014 so there goes that theory
notice theres no EAGLE head in the comparison
Thitek makes a head that will flow over 400 CFM at .600 lift at 28 inches....the mill I'm building now uses a set of Eagle heads., got them to flow 350 CFM at .600 lift...with a 2.14 intake valve, re-worked of course. And the heads cost me all of 300 bucks....insanely cheap horsepower.
And they've been out for years
Yeah these clowns say it’s the only aftermarket head lol.
@@ibraHemi Actually, I think the Thitek is a better head regarding flow #'s. With stock heads, there are casting limitations, when it comes to porting. The most I've seen Thitek's flow is 440 CFM with a 2,20 Intake valve at .600 lift....pretty darn impressive. Not sure with the Edelbrock heads.
SWEET, DO YOU HAVE THEIR WEB ADDRESS?
Not the only aftermarket heads. Theitek has had heads for many years now.
For hemi?
@@lethal8108 correct and now MMX has some as well
I never gave Chrysler a second look until they came out with the Hemi. When I found that they crap valve seats and cams. I wish I never heard of the Hemi. I wish I still didn't love them. Even with all their flaws I still find them better than most engines. Sorry to hear its not going to be around anymore.
Thank you so much!!!! Perfect for the Edsel!!!! Thanks for sharing.
Apparently no one makes a coyote head (besides Ford) because the head is just that good. Difficult to improve on. If your on a budget, get second gens, if not, get gt350 heads.
are the valve seats any better then stock? What kind of springs and retainers are on there?
Noticed that the Chamber's side Squish area is altered......Probably will never be Cal approved without those....
Regdor Fuck California.
I got a pair yesterday 🥳
How well do you like them? They can be ported for better airflow then they produce from the factory. I'm looking into these heads myself
What chamber did you get
@@aaronferguson47 I got the 67cc its for the 5.7 or 6.4.
@@aaronferguson47 I haven't put them on yet. I seen a UA-cam video on them they gave a stock 5.7 60 extra hp from the stock heads no port nothing bolted straight on.
@@rtteazeie6384 I seen it I was a stroker 5.7 to 392 older 5.7
Will these work on trucks and SUV's with the truck intake manifold?
DO YOU HAVE A CAM, INTAKE AND HEAD KIT FOR A 5.7 06 W/ MDS ELIMINATOR KIT?
Sounds Great 👍🏾
Hmm 6.4 Super charged T/A... might just have to add this to the potential mod list...
Nooo. Keep it N/A
Irk stupid thought
The factory heads on a 6.4 are better.
Would have been nice if there was alittle less chitchat...and alitte more Close Ups of the damn intake and exhaust Runner...🤨
We can send you detailed pictures if you would like,
@@EdelbrockTV
Love your Products..i Own Many...Many of them....But hands On Motor Heads, like a good look at what there buying...Just have the Camara Man move in for a Couple of Close ups....Im a Cylinder head Porter for 35 years... My buddies are all "up close" "touchy feely"..with performance parts...As am i....Im sure it wouldn't be too long before some one gives me a set to do....Not an Unreasonable Request....I love your new Pontiac heads with the CnC chamber...Who ever made that decision.. Give than man a Cigar...👍
We actually have no Camera man. This entire live stream is controlled by the host on the left. @@frankieford7668
@@EdelbrockTV This is from a post on the FB page "MoparStyle's Drag Racing - Classified Ads & Discussions" where I shared you YT video. He makes a good point.
"Robert DeMan
I've been told factory Eagle heads flow better than factory LS3 heads do.
The cost of the 5.7 is quite reasonable, and becoming plentiful. The 6.1, and 6.4 still priced quite a bit higher. Most aftermarket stuff for the Gen III is comparable with just about every other engine. The cost of a stand alone wiring harness and a good EFI single plane intake manifold is biggest difference between brand. Arrow/Prefix don't seem to make the NASCAR Gen III intake anymore. Ritter has one but after machine work to clean up casting and get EFI bosses done it's around $1400 just intake. I wish Edelbrock produced a single plane Victor Jr. or Super Victor for gen3 in same price point as all other intakes."
Looks like the Gen III Hemi's need a HERO to make a carbureted manifold for them. A market waiting to be exploited with all those cheap used 5.7's out there that will drop right into any of the old Mopars let alone all the other vehicles that they will fit in.
This video is six years old. Is it emissions legal now?
Finally mopar isn’t being ignored
Does the heads have all emissions ports for egr solenoid .the ends of the heads look like port is not drilled..did Eric ever work for team c performance in bellflower California..
Bought a set of your Hemi heads 73cc combustion chambers......very disappointed in the flow numbers on the heads...claiming flowing better than the Apache Mopar heads and they DO NOT FLOW AS WELL AS STOCK!!!!.........Thitek is a much better head....does cost twice as much, but you get what you pay for!
Do the heads have all the smog related egr ports
With bare heads can you add your own valves and springs to these heads?
Did you ever get an answer. I have their bare heads. Looking for intake and exhaust valves to install
@@KTsRT I haven't they never answered my comment and calling them take awhile to get through to.
These aren't on the website...
Edelbrock always leaves a little horsepower on a table if you truly want to go fast you buy the good AFR heads that out flow these things and have better mid lift also
Awesome vidio.
Building a 440 NA for my 2010 Challenger Srt8 6 mt.... wonder which head if the one with the bigger chamber will work best
Bigger chamber means less compression. For na you are better off with the smaller chamber.
Does this fix the common valve seat issues with the gen 3 hemi
Adam Fitzpatrick early years “common”. This hasn’t been an issue for over 10 years now
I drive a 06 with 178k so was just curious. So i take it no i don't have to worry about valve seats
GREAT NOW MAKE A HEADS FOR US COYOTE GUYS
RO G I don’t think ebrock has ever happened done a dohc head..
Be a great time to start on Coyote Head project
fitty6pickemup are you talking about the old days of the Ford 5.4 triton engine being catastrophic? Now that was a piece of shit motor
Your short block is too small to handle much more airflow, they just can't be made very big displacement wise and they already turn a ton of RPM with well done stock heads.
cam these put on a 2015 challenger srt hellcat
never mind... should have waited :) for this to start :)
Same as eagle heads
Eagle heads still better
Will these fit on a 2006 5.7?
What’s the cost for the crate engine your talking about...
www.edelbrock.com/gen-iii-426-hemi-crate-engine-long-block-only-46125.html
@@EdelbrockTV this one comes up "Long block only. OUT of STOCK." I think Ed was asking what the complete crate engine with the super charger goes for. I'm curious as well.
@@topenddean They are built to order. This is why its out of stock.
Are these approved for street use yet?
They do not have E.O. numbers.
Heads are kool, but the g3 engines need a rpm type carbureted intake manifold.
get one fabbed
They’re available
A shame heads are all anyone's making for it then.................
@@MaddJakd tons of atuff made for these check out MMX performance.
INDY CYLINDER HEAD
But you guys can't make a aftermarket Ford one
How does it compare to the newest "eagle" heads ?
Looks like it isn't much better.
Ok I have the Eagle heads and also wasn’t sure if aftermarket would be better.
Out of the box they flow quite a bit more. The big question is how big can a Eagle head go vs how big can the Edelbrock's go. The answer seems very obvious, the Edelbrock's were designed to be ported extensively and the Eagle was not.
what are real world numbers to add this to stock internals hellcat for a daily?
Never been tested on our end. Its going to depend on cam selection and if you spin the SC faster.
stock cam and a 2.75 pully
be more than happy to do some R & D with you guys. ship my car to ya
Hey guys, at 7.40 into your conversation, i noticed a rodent on the lower floor.... a RAT or what????
Dude it's someone's head wearing a cap.
@@Withnail1969 You're right sorry 😞
The only reason why its not emission legal in California because edelbrock didn't want to pay there emission TAX
All of us gearheads should protest and stand up to eco fascism
Can we get a Gen 4 Eagle Hemi head?
Gen 4?
Edelbrock USA Generation 4 Ram / Hemi Eagle engine
Give us some flow numbers,
We have Flow Numbers. old.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/chrysler/performer-rpm-hemi.shtml
Gee nice heads , however one of your competitors heads is flowing 403 cfm . So Edelbrock it might be time 2 lift ur game 😀😂😃😄😅😆
Why not make it a true hemisphere cnc port
@Ronald Smith still be very cool to see what it would do on a dyno with the true hemisphere heads
I know some cylinder heads you would sell, best LS that bolt to a old old small blk chevy.
Okay, Edelbrock, you've made a zillion ls heads, you've got a hemi head. How about you get started on building me a Coyote head now?
Should have never designed a "smaller" small block on the Gen III engine. Why not use the small block "A" motor and design a new Hemi head. ???
The new hemi block is much more rigid with a nice deep skirt, 4 bolt mains, has a dry lifter valley for less leaks, raised cam location to give it a much shorter, stiffer, lighter pushrod, it also drains the oil back to the pan off the crank shaft to reduce drag and oil foaming, smaller diameter lighter lifters, much better coolant flow characteristics to keep a more consistent temp through out the engine. To achieve all these improvements would have required major redesign of the SB and it would look almost nothing like the SB we know, this was basically a clean sheet design.
@@davidphillips3953 Thank you for the info !!!
This sucks. All this cool stuff and it’s not emissions legal.
Just depends where you live and where you drive it.
@@topenddean Rather Depends on the Federal definition on tampering with
the Original certification.....Just because it may not be enforced
don't mean it is Legal....Federal Clean Air Act, 1996 and up....
really its NOT a true hemi . its a pent roof
What's funny is I've heard the 5.0 Coyote referred to as a 4 valve "hemi" rather than a pentroof. Sounds like they've been playing fast and loose with terminology for a while now.
*Wrong* A Pent Roof and a Hemi are similar, the difference is a Hemi is limited to 2 valves per cylinder where as a Pent Roof is Four.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pent-roof_combustion_chamber
Just the fact Ma'am, just the Facts.
OK ill except that idea.
@@IhateUA-cam Actully a hemi can have 4 valves per cylinder it just can be really complicated.
Something else that blurs the line between a hemi and a pentroof is some 4 valve engine used curved combustion chambers which resembles something in between a "true" hemi and "true" pentroof.
@@177SCmaro we'll have to agree to disagree because I posted the accepted definition.
Very good product, but hey clowns, ever heard of Thitek? Your heads aren’t the only aftermarket ones, don’t lie, thitek’s been in the game for years, you can’t fake not knowing about thitek.
We do now : )
Is it just me, or is the video on this just crap? All grainy or possibly out focus. It’s like it was done with a cell phone ☎️?? I’d expect better than this from Edelbrock....
This is a live stream show that we broadcast on Facebook.
Get that head off of the fire face!
Can give hp numbers? REALLY? You can't tell us hp increase from a stock engine? Sounds like a bunch of crap.
Engine combinations can vary. The chances of someone swapping the heads and not changing anything else are rare. Most people that will change heads will accompany that with cam swap and maybe intake swap and/or FI and calibration. This is why an HP number on something like this is not as easy to answer.
@@EdelbrockTV So you when you design a head you don't have a mule motor to check different combos against hp figures? Seems odd.
@@anoint426hemi6 With computer aided design (CAD) the test mule is no longer needed. That being said there is still no replacement for real world testing.
@@anoint426hemi6 Also stock to stock isn't what these heads were designed for so the gain would be as dramatic as it would on an engine that can really "Work" the ports.
Since it’s CAD, they should be able to know complete specs and recommend all matching internals for max HP. Yes, for several applications (boosted, turbo, natural aspirated, larger throttle bodies, carbureted, FI). For that kind of money spent on heads, I hope I’m given specs for my application.
Or is that a secret I’m supposed to figure out for myself?
WHO CARES
Would these heads and an e-force blower work on my 05 ram 1500 5.7?
Did u ever figure it out?