i think it's important to mention that people with mental illnesses, even underlying unknown ones, can often have extremely terrible reactions to drugs. it's not uncommon for people like that to come out of a trip having a psychotic break of sorts, even a short one.
@ i can't imagine how terrifying that had to have been. i know my family on my mother's side is particularly susceptible to schizophrenia and similar illnesses so i've always been extremely cautious about avoiding drugs of any kind, just in case. it's scary how many people don't realize how easy it is to lose your mind like that
my husband and I are totally fine smoking bud but one time he hit a friend's pen and had a psychotic break...and it wasn't some crazy synthetic cart either, it was a regular dispensary one.
Please, if you're reading this, dont bother with datura. It is not fun and very dangerous. Its not a hallucinogen, its a dissociative dilleriant. You wont feel euphoria and see pretty colors. You litteraly become schizophrenic, incapable of grasping reality, basic concepts become complex puzzles, actual hallucinations. Its a fine line between ODing and shutting down your kidneys, and walking out onto a busy highway with absolutely zero awareness of the danger. Just because a drug is "natural" does not necessarily make it in any way "safe".
Knew a guy who ended up in a psychiatric ward after eating seeds of a flower, Angel Horns/ Angel’s Trumpets. The last time I saw him, I was terrified he was going to do something violent and left the apartment ASAP. He was paranoid and not making sense. Bumped into his ex years later and he was still in the psychiatric ward.
@@ShardstapoRotmg my brother got sent into weed induced psychosis in march 2022, he could'nt tell what was going on around him at all, and would often come into my room in a panic, asking me out of line questions that would hardly ever even make sense. This was before we knew that something was actually wrong since he was just having episodes about once every three weeks. I never thought anything of it until one night when I was smoking in the backyard with him and then he screamed at me out of nowhere during my hit, he scared the shit out of me and i blew the water out of the bong and asked why the fuck he just screamed at me, he quickly and quietly responded with "did you hear that shit dude" and I told him I didn't hear anything, he said he heard 2 car doors shut and heard footsteps approaching quickly, and then on the other side of the gate to get to the backyard, he said he heard the footsteps moving slowly in the grass like they were trying to be sneaky now. I told him to quit trying to scare me because there was no noise whatsoever, and as soon as i said that a disgusted look took over his face and he started to cry uncontrollably. He then told me they were trying to open the gate, I told him there was nothing to worry about and started comforting him because it was clear something was seriously wrong by the look on his face and the tone of his voice when describing what he was hearing, He then told me that it was my stepsister and her boyfriend, which would've been entirely possible but I still doubted it because there wasn't a single noise besides coughing and bubbling or the occasional sniffle from my brother, he said they weren't getting through the gate and then told me that they were climbing over, and then I tried reminding him that there is absolutely no noise, and I told him to focus on the gate instead of the noise, seeing if it moved at all. because I could clearly see that it wasn't but when he looked, the disgusted face turned into pure terror and he jumped out of his chair and sprinted to the other side of the yard where the chicken coop sat, about 150 feet away, he let out a scream like nothing I ever would've imagine coming out of him while he was running and so I started to get seriously concerned, I went into the shed which is in the opposite corner of the yard that he was in and grabbed my .38 caliber revolver and showed it to him and told him if anyone came back there we have nothing to worry about. He then started saying something about what my stepsister and her boyfriend were there to do, he said they were trying to sneak back there to steal his weed out of the lockbox he kept outside, I then decided that instead of just telling him stuff to comfort him which clearly wasn't working I'd try to show him instead, I climbed onto the gate's metal bars and peeked my head over to see which cars were in the driveway, and it was just my stepmoms minivan and my dads truck. Not my stepsisters car or her boyfriends and I opened the gate and he saw that and then finally calmed down a little bit and said he was just ready to go inside. We both went in and I was laying down about to go to bed, when I hear footsteps absolutely flying down the stairs skipping several steps at a time, I think I only heard 3 steps down the whole set of stairs and my brother didn't slow down until he ran into me and he was pissed at me, screaming at me asking why I was yelling at him. And I had been just laying down in bed for about half an hour before this, about to fall asleep. This annoyed me and I turned to him and asked what the fuck he was talking about, he responded saying that I had been shining my flashlight into his window off and on, and yelling at him telling him to come outside and after he said no to the voices he thought were me they began telling him to shut all the doors in the house, which I heard and was very confused by. There wasn't a whole lot more that went down that night after that, at least that I was around for. I went upstairs and told my dad we needed to take him to the hospital and he refused at first until I explained the situation, at first they were saying absolutely nothing was wrong with him. It seemed like schizophrenia but they said it wasn't. And just called it weed induced psychosis. Now present day, we know what exactly it was. I don't remember the exact name but it's a rare form of schizo-affective disorder and multiple other mental disabilites that came from seemingly nowhere
@@TrashyPanda420 Weed is also a hallucinogen lol. It’s rare but you can trip off of it. I had a terrible trip that lasted two days once, was from too much weed. I quit for six months after that.
I've eaten Datura flowers. We called it Devil's Flower in high school. When we found out you could get high off them, we decided to try. I ate 3 full yellow, trumpet-shaped flowers we picked in someone's front yard. We put them inside Jack In The Box tacos to eat. It tasted absolutely horrible, the most bitter disgusting flavor wasn't hidden at all by the cheap fast food tacos. I remember we went behind the dumpster at JBox and proceeded to trip out for hours. Then, all of a sudden, i was alone. I couldn't recall anyone leaving, though. I managed to walk to the bus stop, and the entire time I would catch myself mid-conversation with people only to realize no one was there. I kept feeling like I was walking with a large crowd. But then I'd look around and see I was alone. I got home early evening and I slept HARD until the next afternoon. But what terrified me is that when I woke up, my eyes wouldn't focus on anything. I looked in the mirror and saw my pupils were still massive. It took 2 or 3 hours after waking up for it to go away, but I was freaked out it may be permanent for a bit. I never tried it again.
@@banderas2000 He's saying that's how he consumed it, in milk. Not that it is in milk to begin with. I'm with you though, hard pass on the mental illness simulator flowers.
Small correction on 14:20 - Jack's name is not spelled incorrectly. This surname is of German origin, and using "oe" is just an alternative form of writing "ö" when using the diacritic is not possible (for example, on a website, or when ö does not exist in the font being used). So "Fröse" and "Froese" are both correct ways of writing it. This detail actually adds to the theory that the email was written by someone close to him, or a family member, since people not familiar with the family name, or with the German language, would not know that. Another possibility is that the person who wrote it didn't know about it, but maybe Jack always signed his name like this in emails, and the person who got access to his account just kept the same signature to make it look like it was him.
Definitely looks like it was written by someone close to him that just wanted to troll them for some reason or maybe by one of the 2 guys to get attention
I immediately assume "found footage" is always a hoax. First of all, it means someone went through the trouble of making the video, then putting it on an external device, then taking it with them, and leaving it somewhere. Then someone has to find it, take the risk of plugging an unknown false drive into their computer, opening an unknown file, and then uploaded that file to UA-cam.
Yeah I find a random flashdrive I ain't plugging it into my computer. Did do it once when I found somebody's flashdrive at uni though. Plugged it into the uni computer.
Dude she never reported him missing. The family is white trash. To be no contact for 20 years when you know your son ran away, and expect him to be alive, is pure stupidity. We talked so much trash about her in r//gratefuldoe
I think it’s bitter sweet. Yes it sucks to learn your son has been dead for 20 years. But at the same time now she knows he did not hate her and cut her out of his life. I’m sure if anything it was a weight off her chest and gave her some peace
I took an acid tab around 15 years ago and to this day I get residual effects from it every now and again. I'm schizophrenic (diagnosed in 2013) I feel that the tab I took triggered it in some way. Be careful kids psychedelics aren't to be messed with. If you're gonna do it, you better make sure you're a very well rounded person, strong minded and in a good headspace. (I wasn't)
I'm a psychology student and my professor loves to remind us that any hallucinogens (even weed) can trigger schizophrenia if you have the genetic predisposition for it. Since schizophrenia runs in my family, I'm staying away from any substances like that 🙅🏻
@@brie1232 I smoked weed too, it got to a point where my mental health would get worse when I smoked it, so I had to stop that sadly, I loved my weed it always chilled me out but after feeling the way I did and hearing some things along the lines of what you said about weed and psycadelics I stopped it.
That’s the key to doing psychedelics as someone who advocates it for people with a very sound mind if you aren’t right or strong minded Pyschedelics will really fuck you up.
i genuinely started crying when you got to the last issue of poorly planned comics. as an artist myself, while you were going through the comics i thought that jack was a very talented person, and realizing that he took his own life was heartbreaking. i pray he's in a better place now
I’ve broken down thinking about this story about his life. He put into words beliefs I have long felt but struggled to express. And god; I feel I owe it to him to read his life but I’m too scared I’ll identify too much and send me over.
About the Jack Froese/Fröse bit: If Jack had a German background or the author of the mails was German, it makes sense, since we write "oe" as "ö" in Germany.
If the website or the software doesn't support other characters, then yes. In Germany, they usually type with ö, ä & ü when it comes to typing names or text.
@UncleKennybobs Because I always paid attention to this kind of stuff. My real name contains special characters and I'm currently living in a western country where they don't have those special characters, so they replace them with normal letters from the alphabet instead.
@@Loterrach Well, we have some of them, it just takes an extra keystroke to create a ü or an ö (and it's probable you mean some other character than that). But accented characters are not commonly used here in US Engilsh, so you end up seeing (for example) the surname Mueller instead of Müller...
God, every time I remember Poorly Planned Comics and how it ends I want to cry. As an artist dealing with mental health issues, its always been bittersweet, for lack of a better word, to see how many people really did love Jack and his work and still try to figure it out, even to this day. Its an odd feeling to see someone online who was like, losing his mind in somewhat of a very public manner at times be remembered so fondly, and to see in comments sections on videos about him, he's not mocked. He is loved. He is missed. He is remembered. The internet can be such a cruel place, yknow? The world is too. You don't see that kind of compassion for someone who had either DID or schizophrenia very often. Thank you for covering Jack's life and works with care and respect. May he rest in peace.
same with listening to the discography of Linkin Park, the song One More Light being about losing a loved one and being released only months before Chester took his own life makes the song really hard to listen to without tearing up
14:21 About the "incorrectly" written name, Americans usually change umlaut ä, ö or ü as ae, oe or ue as they don't have those letters easily available to them. So Fröse and Froese are just alternative ways to spell the name. It's not the wrong way.
you can write them like this even in German. So yeah, it's spelled right in any language.... stunning how such a simple information was never checked before realising this video...
Statute of limitations people!!! C'mon give us the story of how you did it! 😃 There are so many mysteries that were criminal but can no longer be prosecuted.
Ha! THANK YOU! exactly what I thought. "I still can't figure out what someone would do with a 5-ton metal ball." You can't?? How about just giggling about it every time you crack a beer in your back yard? It would never stop being funny.
Society will never understand how completely isolating mental illness is. You feel completely alone and trapped inside a prison of which there is no escape. Everything that the comic author wrote i feel all the way down to the core of myself. And people simply wont understand, they cant and never will.
While I was in a hospital after having a psychogenic fugue on mushrooms, I met a guy in the mid-80s who saw everyone naked when he was high on mushrooms. When he came down, everyone was still naked. He had a big breakdown and ended up in a mental institute. Later he was released after treatment for his mental health and when I asked him how he was now, he said he was fine. "But everyone is still naked."
My older sister took Ayacusha 2 years before she took her own life about 7 months ago. She had her demons (like myself) but things spiralled very quickly in the following years and was devistating for me and my family even before that fateful day. Please be careful with that stuff it is very serious. RIP big sis I love you always xo
The endless trip guy sounds to me like he fell into drug induced psychosis or developed acute schizophrenia. It's very much not unheard of for people to have extreme reactions to hallucinogenics, especially if they already have mental health issues or are predisposed to psychosis. One of the main reasons I've stayed away from hallucinogenics and might never try them. I had a teacher once who told us a story about an old student of hers who smoked hallucinogenic laced weed and went into such severe acute psychosis that she had to be hospitalised for years.
I was also thinking drug induced psychosis. Much more likely than the drug rapidly inserting schizophrenia though that is entirely possible even drugs like marijuana can do that
That's exactly the reason why I will never try hallucinogenics. I have bipolar II, so not full mania, but anyone with bipolar can end up having full blown mania with psychosis. I'm all the way good, thanks.
So true! I took hallucinogens (LSD and magic mushrooms, never in combination) in the 90s as a carefree student and then a young professional. Later on in adulthood I developed PTSD from my young daughter's cancer and death. When I went into perimenopause about 6 years ago, it caused terrible effects that doctors didn't spot. At one point I was prescribed high strength diazepam to help me sleep and for extreme 'anxiety', the latter of which was actually the result of extreme vasomotor symptoms from estogen loss (I was still menstruating regularly in my late 40s). Although not a hallucinogen, it gave me a horrible trip and, had I not realised what it was and knew it would wear off eventually, I'd have gone completely off the rails! I touch nothing more than coffee now! They are also a very bad idea for neurodiverse people. My son has autism, ADHD and OCD and his psychiatrist scared him off ever touching any stronger drug than moderate caffeine and occasional alcohol.
Same here, I smoked green and ate gummies version and even tbat did me in with a terrible trip, I was paranoid, constantly moving and twitching, making weird faces, worst of all I was aware of how much control was taken from of my own body and I hated it😭 It was so uncomfortable coming down while my camping friends had to watch and guide me back to earth😔
I'm SO GLAD you included that it was unlikely that Jack's emails were from the grave or some crap. Too many people buy into this sort of thing, and it's really making us regress as a species. It would be easy, clickbait-y, and profitable to go around saying OoOoOooo spooky ghost is only explanation! It takes integrity to avoid that and I appreciate that.
Datura is called “Devils Trumpet” because the flowers point upwards as if being played from below. Brugmansia is called “Angles Trumpet” because they hang downward as if being played from above. They are both related and in the Nightshade family. That name has nothing to do with its hallucinogenic properties.
I followed Grateful Doe's case for years before it was solved and even spent months on the doenetwork trying to work out who he was. It was so good to see him finally identified and brought home to his family. PS - I love your videos and wish you would upload more often.
The comic book reminds me of this girl from a Reddit forum that I followed for a few months in 2022-april 2023. She made like a whole website, including a journal that she took photos of and uploaded. She spoke often about spirituality and the whole matrix theory. I thought she was really relatable and tried being her friend. After she took her own life last year, i found secret videos that she had recorded over the past 4 years on a hidden page on her website..her last one was like 7 days before she passed and she looked so out of it, but very excited and happy.. It's crazy, how many people are struggling, and you don't even know. Her story encouraged me to go to college and become a Social Worker someday and pursue a career in Mental Health. I haven't been the same person since April 2023.
A guy I knew took datura. Stripped naked in the hills and thought he was some kind of Amazon explorer. Walked through vicious dense thorn bushes swinging his atms like he had a machete. Had a terrible time, was pulling thorns out for weeks. I think it’s best to stay well away from that stuff.
@bujfvjg7222 Dude I'm a Christian, what does that have to do with drug flowers. Stop being a reactionary. If you mean that God made all foods to be eaten, no he didn't. There are highly poisonous creatures like pufferfish that should never be eaten. The sun is essential for all life on Earth but can also give you cancer if you take too much of it. Jews were forbidden to eat pigs by God, which predates Christianity, and Christians are forbidden from eaten monkeys and humans (cannibalism). There is a whole ecosystem of life, God didn't just make humans, we share the Earth with God's other creations. It just so happens that we are God's smartest creation, but just because we are the smartest does not mean everything that exists was specifically built for us; if you truly believe that everything that exists was made specifically for humanity, you're not a Christian, you're a narcissist.
@@superyamagucci That guy has to be like 12 years old... OP was like "don't do drugs kids!" And that guy was like "well God made everything for humanity, so therefore you're calling God evil" I have no idea who thinks like that. Maybe he's also on Datura himself 😅
Everything you could ever want honestly. I've gotten to the point where i listen to the preview of videos to make sure it's not an AI voice. If it is, im not watching.
17:35 that Greatful Doe story was touching. The person who did all that research to give the person a name. Like what a great person. I wish I was more like that. Very touching for sure.
I was also thinking ayahuasca when he spoke of boiling the roots. The problem with any hallucinogenic drug is that if a person is predisposed to mental health problems or is already suffering from them, then they are at risk of lingering psychosis. I’ve had some wonderful ayahuasca trips and some absolutely hellish ones. Either way, I would not want to be even in a mild psychedelic trip for 2 months. That would be horrific. My last ayahuasca trip was so intense that I felt it on and off for about 10 days. I still sometimes get a strange emotional sensation that I’ve only ever got on ayahuasca.
I heard that DMT is the last option for people who give up on life and need answers. They see themselves and even talk to "god". Some say they are no longer suffering from depression/anxiety.
@@donnykohler7208 I’ve done dmt many times. Done psilocybin and ayahuasca many times. Ibogaine twice. I did all of this in an attempt to heal combat ptsd and addiction. It didn’t work for me. Like I said, I had some beautiful experiences on them all. I also had awful psychosis experiences in them that were traumatic in their own right. I’m not saying these substances have no therapeutic value, but much more research needs to be done on them. If anyone believes that a psychedelic will permanently heal depression or anxiety, they are probably in for a letdown. Once the drug wears off, the same thought patterns, triggers and life situations are all there waiting for you. Real work is required to heal.
14:37 FYI, 'ö' in German can be equivalently written as 'oe' -- particularly in places where the diacritic might not be available, or where the audience might be intimidated by foreign characters (e.g. in a newspaper obit!) This really isn't a piece of contradictory evidence at all
This is exactly why I've stayed away from hallucinogenic drugs. I've done every other drug known to man at some point, just not anything that causes hallucinations and bad trips. I've had pretty bad depression since I was 9 so I've always been terrified of being pushed over the edge.
Yeah, me too. I call myself straight edge for a reason. I was raised by a non smoking alcoholic, never liked the taste of alcohol, and being terrified of doing d*ugs ensures that I'll never touch any of that stuff. And yet I was the "weird, boring" one because I never wanted to do any of the stuff others feel they should do.
i stayed away as well during my "party days" i did shrooms but only ate a lil bit. BUT since it was my first time even those effects were scary. idk how ppl like doing those things. makes u think ur crazy. no thank!
@@xeldinn86 if I remember correctly a few caps and some stems. Everyone is different and reacts different. For my friend seemed fine. But for me was not ideal situation 😆
The Jack Froese one frustrates me because it seems obvious someone close enough to them to know about the attic and broken ankle got access to their dead friend's email. This person could have also gotten access to other things they shouldn't have, but got away with it because those two would rather believe the fantasy that it was their dead friend speaking from beyond the grave.
I’m almost positive that dude got schizophrenia. My neighbor across the street from me growing up, this was around 2011-2012. I was a senior in high school and he was a year or two younger and him and his buddy did some shroomies. I remember because they asked me to tell them to go back inside if I saw them outside haha. Unfortunately one of the two kids, the one who lived across from me got paranoid schizophrenia not long after that and did some pretty awful things to not only his family but people in the neighborhood including me and my mom. This was in Florida and he finally got out into the prison psych ward after multiple arrests and a judge FINALLY stepping up to get him help. Was a nice kid. We both lost our dads young and would play Wii sports and play imaginary Pokémon outside growing up. Kids just be safe and don’t take any substance from anyone you don’t know and even when you do make sure to just be safe, responsible and understand all the risks and side effects of whatever you’re doing. Sorry for the essay 🤙✌️
I got ecstacy induced psychosis when i was 17. Symptoms got so bad and i was catatonic by the time i went into adolescent psych at fl hospital Orlando. Took 3p days to get stabilized enough on 5 meds. Klonopin, celexa, ambien, cogentin, and risperdol. Was like 5 year old and skelly came back to myself once i cutoff get out of hospital. Still became alcoholic and have been sober now since jan 2010 in St Pete. Good luck to anyone struggling or there. Go get help if you need it.
Datura is not a hallucinogen, it’s a deliriant, very different. With deliriants you don’t know what is real and what isn’t, it’s like a severe schizophrenia episode if not worse, it’s like dreaming with your eyes open but can’t tell if it’s the dream or real life
Back before the internet, we all heard about the "glass of orange juice guy" that was "perma-tripping" for life, sitting in a hospital bed somewhere scared to lean over because he'd "spill" and die. Whether true or not, these myths haunt the hallucinogenic culture (if such a thing even exists). At this stage in my life, I know mental illness and drug abuse go hand in hand, and certain drugs can trigger underlying conditions. The scariest thing is, those trips that are only moments long that are packed with a lifetime of activity, detail, and drama. That will mess you up and leave you with legitimate PTSD when you think back on the experience--hence, the "flashbacks." I still think of a k-hole experience I had 25 years ago (edit: sorry, not 30, but a long time ago!), and every time I do, I get nervous and get that feeling like I'm back in "hell." Drugs suck. The mind is fragile. Be careful.
The glass of orange juice guy.. Lol! I remember that. I tripped many times in my teenage years, back in the 90’s. I can’t imagine doing it today. It just would not be fun at all now.
That happened to me with lsd and I was only 19. Happened multiple times and in front of friends who I don’t speak to anymore. I don’t even know who I am anymore
In regards to the first video Datura CAN last far longer than the drug is meant to. It’s an almost psychotic state that gets put on people. It doesn’t always happen but Datura can seriously screw you up for months. It can cause schizophrenic symptoms to develop in people too. You need to do more research on Datura before writing off the guy in the first video. He may just be one of the very real outliers that have existed before. Something atypical doesn’t mean something impossible
Man I remember taking triple C's. We were in my friends car when it hit. Man time slowed and the world was just off. Not a good off. Luckily I didn't OD. But the effects from what I took made time and distance all screwed up. Mins seemed like hours
A guy going insane from a drug-induced psychosis, an artist taking his own life after a life-long struggle with mental illness, a young man dying in a car accident and staying unidentified for two decades, leading his mother to believe he hates her and has cut off ties with her... And someone stealing a wrecking ball off of a demolition site. This finished on a much lighter note than I expected!
i dunno why but self assisination as an alternative for suicide is such an annoying word for me, I'm a suicide attempt survivor with current persistent and intrusive sucidal thoughts and its more disturbing that the word suicide is being more censored by cringy words that IMO make suicide even more taboo. I just want it to be taken more seriously.
Intrusive suicidal thoughts must be a nightmare to live with. God is always with you. Whenever you get those thoughts, ask God to show you how much He loves you and values you.
With regards to the first video I know a guy that ate a whole sheet of acid and forever after that he walks around in a robe carrying a Bible and swore he was the second coming and I'm talking years after I think the actual trip broke his mind and caused some sort of permanent psychosis
My own brother has a similar story. He used to not believe in anything but after using acid and wayy too much he completely converted to christ and now sometimes talks for hours and hours about god like he just can not shut up.
Mental health issues definitely influence how a drug affects you. I’ve been diagnosed with depression and anxiety, and once after smoking, it took me an entire week, three severe panic attacks, and even a trip to the hospital to feel normal again. At the time, I genuinely thought I’d never feel normal again. I felt dissociated and like my brain couldn’t process things properly.
4:43 There is no way to believe this guy has any concept of time. He's likely peaking during the video. this is why you need a buddy when you do things like this.
holy shit i never thought i would see someone on here covering poorly planned comics. i remember going down the rabbit hole a couple of years back and ending up feeling completely depressed for atleast a couple of days. i just wish he had gotten the help he needed, and i hope hes finally at peace.
no ones talking about that part but it made me cry so much, i dont want to think how confusing and unreal was for him at the end, maybe is just empaty but i wish people cared more for this case
@@OxluCorporate i promise you there’s more to that, and even if that were the case- what would be the problem with that? a lot of artists make art surrounding their experiences or struggles. after all, art is a form of expression.
Jack Froese wasn't spelled incorrectly in the email. When writing German words in a text where special characters are not supported, "ö" would be written as "oe". It is the same.
Datura is a terrifying hallucinogen. Its a deliriant. Nightmares become real. Everything you see and hear looks like its real. Like there are people really there, voices talking in your ears, and the after effects can last for weeks. Such as blurry vision and the like. People have reported talking to dead relatives, seeing roaches crawl around their room, insects/bugs in their skin, terrifying screams from what sounds like their friends voices and so much more. The hat man is pretty common as well. I have studied datura for a long time, and trip sat someone who was freaking out on Datura. I got the call for help mid trip so i went to assist and man... DO NOT DO THIS. He was completely out of his mind for a good 8 hours. Walking around bumbling to people that werent there. Couldnt keep his attention for more than 2 seconds as well. After the trip he had blurred vision and slurred speech for a couple of days. He said it was the most terrifying experience of his life including his tour in afghanistan in 03. So yeah. The point of this, is Datura can cause extreme time dilation. My friend who took Datura Tea told me that he felt like he was in the trip for years. Like it was an inescapable hole he thought he died in. Its a terrifying plant. Do not mess with it. It CAN and WILL kill you. And worse, a nightmare trip for 12 hours on a terrifying substance that breaks people mentally. Awesome channel man.
I've done datura a few times. For a few months afterwards I would always hear voices coming from the vents in the house talking about me and people in the house talking about me when I was supposed to be home alone . I would hear the front door constantly open and close even though it was locked. It took 2 or 3 months for those hallucinations to die down. Datura sucks honestly
In the desert areas of California Datua, or jimsonweed is pretty common. A friend of mine in high school in the 90's took it and went crazy at school and was arrested, hospitalized and expelled from school, I still remember this pretty clearly. Huffing freon was another pastime of some of that group of kids. I'm glad I didn't really venture further than weed.
point being, the world doesn't need Michelangelo, so he's gonna have to work at McDonalds, and do creative projects as a hobby. A lot of hobbyists prefer to keep their works private (because they're not getting paid), so the overall artistic output in the world decreases
I think the thing that's being missed is that there will always be an evolution of what any period of time calls "art", in that it begins as something only a person can create through their own individual idiosyncrasies, and ends with a formulaic representation of that same thing, mechanistically being recreated. SO then a new form of art will emerge that will be beyond the formulas and only possible through human ingenuity....etc....at least I hope that's how it goes.
As a schizophrenic I want to say... If I had inadvertently caused myself to become this, I'd probably end up not being able to forgive myself. This is not fun. Not being able to leave my bedroom because my mind won't let me isn't fun
Datura is not worth messing with, I had a tree of the Brugmansia (hanging bell) type in my backyard and people around my hometown had tried it and told us how when I was 14. I made some a few times and nothing happened. Then another year a dude asked me to make him some because he'd heard I made some before and had a tree of it. I made it exactly the same way. I took like two swigs maybe, and I ended up blacking out within an hour and an ambulance got called. I was on a respirator supposedly for a while. And it actually does cause residual hallucinations because I saw weird shit out of the corners of my eyes for at least a week or so after. Then it finally went away. It was insane.. The reason it did nothing then another year put me in the hospital is because the flowers can have extremely varying amounts of the psychoactive substance in them depending on rain amounts each year, sun exposure etc. Go ahead and google this for yourself, it's true. One season it can barely give you a trip or even do nothing, the next season it can give you nothing but cardiac arrest.
@gigibeal Yeah I found that out the hard way lmao and then years later I did some research only to learn that. I had a friend who like did it a bunch of times too and she confirmed some days she'd have a mild trip, other times she would be having like a cinematic trip, the kind of insane fake trip you see in movies and don't think is even possible. She'd be out having conversations with light poles and crap thinking it was people she knew.
The after death e-mail story has a very simple explanation: Someone had the password of the deceived guy's e-mail. It's as simple as that. No supernatural shenanigans.
Damn bro, the Poorly Planned Comics part kinda got to me, I'm an aspiring artist and have been dealing with mental health issues for a long time (luckily nothing as extreme as Jack's case) Specifically the 7:30 bit hit too close to home, I've wanted to make art for most of my life, I've always known how hard it would be but I decided to push forward because its one of the few things that truly makes me feel happy, but currently with this whole AI bullshit that has come in recent years my already unlikely dream now seems pretty much impossible. Honestly I never had any high hopes for the future, but everything feels so grim and hopeless. You can spend hours even days trying to make something of value but in that same time some slob can make tons of Artificial crap. I could have lived with that fact, there have always been people who are better and faster than me, I can accept that, but the fact that for most people a shitty malformed picture created by a machine has the same value as something made with passion and purpose by a person who has dedicated their life to it is disheartening. Jack said "Michaelangelos are no longer needed" but nowadays it feels like Michaelangelos are not even wanted.
michaelangelos ARE needed, but yes, i agree on the front that (corporations especially) in general they don't seem wanted. it's disheartening fr. i hope despite it all you find a way to pursue your dream, and you make good money from it.
@@gigibeal I agree, corporations are the killers of creativity and of pretty much anything else that doesn't make them profits. But seriously thank you very much for those words, I really needed them, and don't worry about me, as I said art is the only thing that makes me happy, so I don't think I'll stop for as long as I live, I'll keep going no matter what, even if I don't get anything in return.
If Michelangelo cared about being needed or wanted, he wouldn’t have been an artist. It’s not an artist’s job to be successful or appreciated. It’s an artist’s job to make something real. And god knows humanity needs something real right about now. Don’t let whatever heartless “tool” is popular at the moment stop you. Art isn’t about a picture, or a song, or a movie, or a sculpture. Art is about a lifetime.
I’m an artist as well. It’s not just the Ai stuff either because in the art journaling community, there’s people that are the popular ones and no matter how “stupid” the stuff they’re making is- they still have people’s attention. I was always trying to (and succeeding) create things that people hadn’t seen before, especially with cost-friendly items. Basically no one in the community cared - simply because i was not one of the popular people. If those people came out with what I did- the community would’ve gone nuts. It was really disheartening. The worst was the copying and not giving credit or making money off what was stolen. I keep to myself now because the community was crushing the joy out of my art and I’m not about that. 💜
I would not recommend doing intense drugs if you have any mental illnesses or health conditions. There is just no knowing if they could trigger a psychotic break or interact negatively with a bodily process. I occasionally (with doctor's permission) take very mellow full spectrum gummies for chronic pain and sleep, but because I have kidney failure, the drugs take a long time to clear out of my system and effects last easily 3x as long as they would for a healthy person. I had to learn the hard way that my tolerance was bad and I was sensitive to thc and cbd after taking a stronger one and greening out and depersonalizing/dissociating/time traveling for three days. I also learned I can't take them if I suspect I have an infection, because I did once and I had symptoms of delirium.
I had the same issue as the first guy. It’s a sort of chemical imbalance. It took me about five months to get back to normal. Basically what you feel is the anxiety you feel from a bad trip but it never goes away. And the fear that it will never go away becomes overwhelming. It’s absolutely terrifying. My parents almost had to send me to a mental institution at 15 years old. And then just one day I woke up and it was gone
Came here to post this. If anyone is curious, Fröse is German and Froese is the English spelling, since in English we don't have the umlaut (the two dots over the o).
I personally know the man in the first clip and I think this was a temporary situation and likely just an experiment exploring psychedelics that went a bit wrong. I haven't been in touch with this person for a decade but I knew them very well. What a shock to see him on youtube like that. However, I just looked him up on social media and he appears to doing fine and recently posted about a creative project. So he is okay! I wonder if he left the tape for someone to find? I think he and I shared an admiration for the magazine called Found which was full of f entertaining found random materials like love letters etc.
@@braveorslave😂😂 are you from USA? Ah no. Indian. Scammertown. Zero respect for other people's privacy. In Europe you cannot do that due to GDPR. What if the person does not want to be reminded of those dark times? Whether true or not, no one cares what you think or feel about what OP said.
Regarding the datura story: your hypothesis that the drug caused brain damage and through that schizophrenia is medical nonsense. He very likely just developed a drug induced psychosis. There is no link between „brain damage“ and schizophrenia. You can however trigger episodes of schizophrenia in genetically predisposed people through certain drugs, stress or lack of sleep. Simple drug induced psychosis seems more likely though given the age of the poster.
As a person with several disorders myself, I am so happy that mental illness is treated with such care in this video. It's often treated as this "unseen boogeyman", especially in the horrortuber space. So I'm happy to see a horror youtuber actually take care when mentioning such a topic.
My mother went to high school and college in the 70s, and I have to tell you she told me that everyone liked to be a prankster. They would go to great lengths to pull off silly pranks and it makes me laugh a little bit to think that this could just be a huge joke that someone pulled off to the umpteenth degree.
The wrecking ball going missing might have just been some sort of ridiculous dare or prank. I say that because that is exactly the type of stuff folks used to do back in the day as pranks and dares in my hillbilly hometown and the larger the item, the more likely it was to be taken. Yeah, a 2.5-5.0 ton wrecking ball would be extremely difficult, but that's probably half the reason for doing it. Had a wrecking ball been available back then for folks to snatch, it would have gone POOF within two or three days.
I feel for Jack. My best friend has D.I.D and it generally is something that people live with and some even find harmony with their alters. Jack needed help to understand his conditions and it's tragic he never got it. Rest in peace, man.
4:40 hello, im peruvian, home of the ayahuasca formula, and i assure you, it is not mild by nature. People have died trying it for the first time because its effects are different from person to person and the high part of it can last even a few days. It is said to be so strong it can give tou hallucinations or even a glimpse of your future in the form of a hallucination. Several artists and famous people have come to Peru only to have that experience and the preparation before taking it sometimes take days before consumption by the person preparing the drug and by the one who will consume it. It also has seen as use to stablish pacts with demons as both the shaman and the demon drink and bond to curse someone.
Hmm that’s very interesting.. I’ve always wondered how one comes about making a pact with a demon.. it’s hard to find things on it though because many people are either afraid do they don’t believe in it.
Brain damage. Datura isn't to be played with. You can actually die. You can't determine a safe dosage. You can get permanently affected. And also it's not a hallucinogenic like shrooms that give you depersonalization, or dissociative like K, it's a deliriant. There is NO trip. You are out of it. A zombie. You don't control what you do at all.
Some drugs can trigger underlying issues, such as jump-starting schizophrenia that was already genetically present in the person and would have surfaced anyway later on. In some drugs, Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder (HPPD) can occur, which is what this man is seemingly presenting with. He took datura, which is extremely dangerous as it can cause long-lasting damage and even death. There is a drug that can counteract the symptoms of an overdose, but I don't know if it was available in 2008.
The alkaloids in Datura are neurotoxic and experiencing a nightmarish and delirious trip could lead to long lasting or permanent psychological trauma. It’s entirely possible that a case of DPDR does not resolve after using Datura as well.
Stfu u don't know shit. Hallucinogenic is different than a deleriant aka datura. The thing ppl get confused bout is this n salvia. But even then salvia is borderline psychedelic
Dear god, being stuck in a Datura trip. It's already horrific enough imagining being on Datura, let alone that not ending. I've had bad trips from many drugs, I would never take a drug that only gives bad trips. Oh and it's super deadly too. Poor lad.
So I’ve been a casual psychedelic user over the years, my one friend had a lot of siblings and we’d go over to his house and trip cause anyone was welcome over… one of the brothers who was in highschool at the time starting taking multiple heavy doses of shrooms and It pretty much broke his brain. He would talk and laugh to himself, he would post videos on Instagram of him crying and speaking in English and Russian accents, posts would have cryptic messages. This behavior was so unordinary that my friend had 15+ people hit him up asking if his brother was okay. Unfortunately his brother passed away from an overdose. I say all that to say if you’re going to use psychedelics do not take large doses and give your brain a chance to recover after a trip.
On Jack’s early recordings and in his correspondence with friends he is open about creating Suzie as a way to entertain himself and manage his thoughts. When he altered his voice and spoke back and forth to himself, that was Jack acting as ‘Suzie’. Maybe that was his way of dealing with his worsening schizophrenia. It just always felt that Jack was in on his own jokes. Fascinating guy. Sorry to his family and friends. Also I'm glad you mentioned Maze at the end. maze is a huge part of the Jack puzzle.
I have DID and it can be a living nightmare without support. My heart goes out to that artist and his family. Thank you for handling the topic with care.
@@ytsm Over a year ago but I've been through a decade of therapy prior. They don't like to diagnose it in people without them going through extensive CBT etc first.
For the Jack Frose one. The idea I have as to what makes it physically plausible is that somebody hacked his account. Could be somebody close or could be somebody that managed to find some information left on his device pertaining to how the person would know about the contents to be sent in email. Otherwise they set it up for attention.
Can we acknowledge how true what Jack said about Michael Angelo is? Computers can turn anyone into a brilliant creator, it’s sad and disheartening to anyone who is creative. It takes the wonder out of art.
Having done my own digging on an old series of fun MS Paint animations from YT's early years, to the point that I found recently the creator is in fact still around and responding to some more recent comments on his work, hearing the Poorly Planned Comics story was sad.
A high school friend took a large amount of LSD and it changed him forever. It completely broke him. This was 23 years ago. He's still not the same. Clearly, he wasn't "stuck" in a trip, and he had an underlying condition and the hallucinogenic triggered something, but I understand why someone in this circumstance might think they're "stuck" in a trip.
I can speak from experience- datura/jimson weed is fucking terrifying. The best way to describe it is you're not tripping, you're delirious. My trip lasted 2-3 days. I ate approx a tablespoon of raw seeds out of a fresh pod not dried with a friend of mine. Jesus it was horrible and frustrating and you couldnt pay me to do it again. I always heard in my younger days that some people do 100% get "stuck" in their trip, as if the drug never wore off. Maybe they took too much or maybe their brain couldnt handle it... scary.
They say the internet never forgets, but the context can be obscured. We have footage of people doing things that we can't fully understand - we tend to fill in the reasons for others actions.
@@starman4840As people, we use context to understand the actions of others. And when we see something that have little to no context, we tend to assume things.
The first dude probably will never come back from his trip. I've worked with people who were addicted to drugs and some of them became braindamaged forever because of the use of hallucinogens . It's almost impossible that he came back, but I hope he's okay.
It's not a hallucinogenic at all. You have no chance of controlling your actions like with actual hallucinogenic. Contains scopolamine. It's a deliriant.
about jack masters and DID, it is possible he may have had it, but if he was only experiencing these breaks in self when under the influence, that rules out DID. one of the criteria for DID is that it’s not related to a spiritual practice or under the influence of drugs.
I had a friend who ate a whole bucket of mushrooms in 2005 for a dare and he's still messed up now, he literally isn't the same person and complete opposite. Soon after he did it he was sectioned with schizophrenia, he doesn't know who I or my friends are till this day. I mean it put us off psychedelics 😂
Theory about jack froese emails: I’ve heard of things such as text messages being actually delivered months after they were sent by the owner. This included people who were already dead, and confused a lot of people, but it was confirmed (by apple or google or someone) that the messages had just failed to send. I believe this is the case here, just in an individual case.
Whatever you are saying could be true in some cases, but, in a situation like this where he died 5 months ago but sent the msg to his brother who got hurt just 2 weeks ago doesn’t sound true. How could he have foreseen that his brother would injure his ankle? Honestly that whole story just seemed like they somehow wanted some attention or maybe I could be wrong. I hope I am though, I want to know what actually happened.
The attic is such a strange reference though. There's other stories like this that just seem unexplained, there's a post on reddit of a mother recieving similar texts from her sons phone after he passed but she had the phone in her posession, and the texts were vague references to things she was doing. I read the mom(who posted about it)'s other reddit posts and she seemed really genuine, and the stories of her sons death were verifiable. Js, there's other stories that are eerily similar to that one
The first guy. It is possible that he took something. Ayahuasca makes sense. But, he eerily reminds me of my father who in the end was diagnosed with a grade 4 Glioblastoma (Brain Cancer). My dad thought he was tripping for over a year. He would binge drink to 'come down' and he felt that people were after him. When he would come out of a binge he would start taking whatever herbs or anything he could get his hands on trying to cure himself. He was afraid to leave the house or drive. He was on government assistance and would pay people he knew to bring him groceries, beer, or whatever he needed. He even called me up randomly one day and said that my Mother and my Aunts were witches who cast a spell on him and wanted to know if I was a good witch or a bad witch. I did not see my father as I was out of the country. But, the way that the guy is speaking just made me shutter. My father wound up having a stroke and having the brain cancer removed and he said that cured everything that he was experiencing. He even said 'I felt like I was tripping and it finally ended'. So, to throw another possibility out there.
i think it's important to mention that people with mental illnesses, even underlying unknown ones, can often have extremely terrible reactions to drugs. it's not uncommon for people like that to come out of a trip having a psychotic break of sorts, even a short one.
I took shrooms and had major psychosis for months until I got into a mental health facility. It was scary
@ i can't imagine how terrifying that had to have been. i know my family on my mother's side is particularly susceptible to schizophrenia and similar illnesses so i've always been extremely cautious about avoiding drugs of any kind, just in case. it's scary how many people don't realize how easy it is to lose your mind like that
my husband and I are totally fine smoking bud but one time he hit a friend's pen and had a psychotic break...and it wasn't some crazy synthetic cart either, it was a regular dispensary one.
I can’t use thc cuz of my disorders. It’s just terrible for my mind
And there are documented cases where they actually never return to baseline. They never come back. The trip is forever.
Idiocy.
Please, if you're reading this, dont bother with datura. It is not fun and very dangerous. Its not a hallucinogen, its a dissociative dilleriant. You wont feel euphoria and see pretty colors. You litteraly become schizophrenic, incapable of grasping reality, basic concepts become complex puzzles, actual hallucinations. Its a fine line between ODing and shutting down your kidneys, and walking out onto a busy highway with absolutely zero awareness of the danger. Just because a drug is "natural" does not necessarily make it in any way "safe".
Knew a guy who ended up in a psychiatric ward after eating seeds of a flower, Angel Horns/ Angel’s Trumpets.
The last time I saw him, I was terrified he was going to do something violent and left the apartment ASAP.
He was paranoid and not making sense.
Bumped into his ex years later and he was still in the psychiatric ward.
@@AimeeAimee444 it's a real pity. We gotta look after our minds big time, we don't realise how fragile we really are
I agree there's safer and funner drugs, just do shrooms or weed
@@z0z111don’t ‘just’ do them. They too, even weed has potential long term effects on your psyche.
I thought it was pretty fun
The idea of a trip that never ends is personally terrifying.
Yeah I'm just gonna stick with weed lol
@@ShardstapoRotmgive tripped before and let me tell you, just stick with weed, weed is the a1 choice
I've been on a never ending trip since 2020
@@ShardstapoRotmg my brother got sent into weed induced psychosis in march 2022, he could'nt tell what was going on around him at all, and would often come into my room in a panic, asking me out of line questions that would hardly ever even make sense. This was before we knew that something was actually wrong since he was just having episodes about once every three weeks. I never thought anything of it until one night when I was smoking in the backyard with him and then he screamed at me out of nowhere during my hit, he scared the shit out of me and i blew the water out of the bong and asked why the fuck he just screamed at me, he quickly and quietly responded with "did you hear that shit dude" and I told him I didn't hear anything, he said he heard 2 car doors shut and heard footsteps approaching quickly, and then on the other side of the gate to get to the backyard, he said he heard the footsteps moving slowly in the grass like they were trying to be sneaky now. I told him to quit trying to scare me because there was no noise whatsoever, and as soon as i said that a disgusted look took over his face and he started to cry uncontrollably. He then told me they were trying to open the gate, I told him there was nothing to worry about and started comforting him because it was clear something was seriously wrong by the look on his face and the tone of his voice when describing what he was hearing, He then told me that it was my stepsister and her boyfriend, which would've been entirely possible but I still doubted it because there wasn't a single noise besides coughing and bubbling or the occasional sniffle from my brother, he said they weren't getting through the gate and then told me that they were climbing over, and then I tried reminding him that there is absolutely no noise, and I told him to focus on the gate instead of the noise, seeing if it moved at all. because I could clearly see that it wasn't but when he looked, the disgusted face turned into pure terror and he jumped out of his chair and sprinted to the other side of the yard where the chicken coop sat, about 150 feet away, he let out a scream like nothing I ever would've imagine coming out of him while he was running and so I started to get seriously concerned, I went into the shed which is in the opposite corner of the yard that he was in and grabbed my .38 caliber revolver and showed it to him and told him if anyone came back there we have nothing to worry about. He then started saying something about what my stepsister and her boyfriend were there to do, he said they were trying to sneak back there to steal his weed out of the lockbox he kept outside, I then decided that instead of just telling him stuff to comfort him which clearly wasn't working I'd try to show him instead, I climbed onto the gate's metal bars and peeked my head over to see which cars were in the driveway, and it was just my stepmoms minivan and my dads truck. Not my stepsisters car or her boyfriends and I opened the gate and he saw that and then finally calmed down a little bit and said he was just ready to go inside. We both went in and I was laying down about to go to bed, when I hear footsteps absolutely flying down the stairs skipping several steps at a time, I think I only heard 3 steps down the whole set of stairs and my brother didn't slow down until he ran into me and he was pissed at me, screaming at me asking why I was yelling at him. And I had been just laying down in bed for about half an hour before this, about to fall asleep. This annoyed me and I turned to him and asked what the fuck he was talking about, he responded saying that I had been shining my flashlight into his window off and on, and yelling at him telling him to come outside and after he said no to the voices he thought were me they began telling him to shut all the doors in the house, which I heard and was very confused by. There wasn't a whole lot more that went down that night after that, at least that I was around for. I went upstairs and told my dad we needed to take him to the hospital and he refused at first until I explained the situation, at first they were saying absolutely nothing was wrong with him. It seemed like schizophrenia but they said it wasn't. And just called it weed induced psychosis.
Now present day, we know what exactly it was. I don't remember the exact name but it's a rare form of schizo-affective disorder and multiple other mental disabilites that came from seemingly nowhere
@@TrashyPanda420 Weed is also a hallucinogen lol. It’s rare but you can trip off of it. I had a terrible trip that lasted two days once, was from too much weed. I quit for six months after that.
I've eaten Datura flowers. We called it Devil's Flower in high school. When we found out you could get high off them, we decided to try. I ate 3 full yellow, trumpet-shaped flowers we picked in someone's front yard. We put them inside Jack In The Box tacos to eat. It tasted absolutely horrible, the most bitter disgusting flavor wasn't hidden at all by the cheap fast food tacos.
I remember we went behind the dumpster at JBox and proceeded to trip out for hours. Then, all of a sudden, i was alone. I couldn't recall anyone leaving, though. I managed to walk to the bus stop, and the entire time I would catch myself mid-conversation with people only to realize no one was there. I kept feeling like I was walking with a large crowd. But then I'd look around and see I was alone.
I got home early evening and I slept HARD until the next afternoon. But what terrified me is that when I woke up, my eyes wouldn't focus on anything. I looked in the mirror and saw my pupils were still massive. It took 2 or 3 hours after waking up for it to go away, but I was freaked out it may be permanent for a bit. I never tried it again.
yeah no thank you. that's why i don't do those things lol. glad u got ok tho
We consume it through its leaves mixed in milk. You've to know the safe amount for consumption.
@@priyankasinha735 lol dont try to scare folks. that plant isn't in milk
@@banderas2000 He's saying that's how he consumed it, in milk. Not that it is in milk to begin with.
I'm with you though, hard pass on the mental illness simulator flowers.
Hmmm 🤔 it tasted bad? It's almost like it's meant to stop people/ animals from eating it. 😂
Small correction on 14:20 - Jack's name is not spelled incorrectly. This surname is of German origin, and using "oe" is just an alternative form of writing "ö" when using the diacritic is not possible (for example, on a website, or when ö does not exist in the font being used). So "Fröse" and "Froese" are both correct ways of writing it.
This detail actually adds to the theory that the email was written by someone close to him, or a family member, since people not familiar with the family name, or with the German language, would not know that. Another possibility is that the person who wrote it didn't know about it, but maybe Jack always signed his name like this in emails, and the person who got access to his account just kept the same signature to make it look like it was him.
Definitely looks like it was written by someone close to him that just wanted to troll them for some reason or maybe by one of the 2 guys to get attention
Nah it was definitely a ghost that logged into their email and used it. To message their friends. One time.
@@bipolarexpress9827I think it was aliens or Bigfoot sending those emails.
🤓☝️
its called anglization of names.
Holy shit the comic guy literally warned us from ai art
My thoughts exactly, although I do not agree with the sentiment.
@@balawulf6165 I fully agree with the sentiment.
RIP to him, he would have been very upset in today's climate.
@@jerrysizzler44completely agree with you
@@balawulf6165 What exactly do you disagree with?
@@SoaringSuccubus they just wanna disagree
I immediately assume "found footage" is always a hoax. First of all, it means someone went through the trouble of making the video, then putting it on an external device, then taking it with them, and leaving it somewhere.
Then someone has to find it, take the risk of plugging an unknown false drive into their computer, opening an unknown file, and then uploaded that file to UA-cam.
Yeah, any real found footage will be on an sd card that is likeley found in the camera it was filmed on
I always assumed that found footage was only referring to video tapes. Never even related it to flash drives!
I know of some people.
Yeah it instantly flags a story as fake
Yeah I find a random flashdrive I ain't plugging it into my computer.
Did do it once when I found somebody's flashdrive at uni though. Plugged it into the uni computer.
I feel so sorry about grateful doe's mother who waited all these years for him to come back. It also feels like there's more to that story
Dude she never reported him missing. The family is white trash. To be no contact for 20 years when you know your son ran away, and expect him to be alive, is pure stupidity.
We talked so much trash about her in
r//gratefuldoe
I think it’s bitter sweet. Yes it sucks to learn your son has been dead for 20 years. But at the same time now she knows he did not hate her and cut her out of his life. I’m sure if anything it was a weight off her chest and gave her some peace
For some reason it reminds me of the black mirror episode : play test
The mom kept trying to call her son but he wouldn’t answer…
What would more to the story be? They didnt wear seatbelts, fell asleep driving, and crashed.
@@justoverit I think they meant there's more to the story as to why he just up and left
I took an acid tab around 15 years ago and to this day I get residual effects from it every now and again.
I'm schizophrenic (diagnosed in 2013) I feel that the tab I took triggered it in some way.
Be careful kids psychedelics aren't to be messed with.
If you're gonna do it, you better make sure you're a very well rounded person, strong minded and in a good headspace.
(I wasn't)
I'm a psychology student and my professor loves to remind us that any hallucinogens (even weed) can trigger schizophrenia if you have the genetic predisposition for it. Since schizophrenia runs in my family, I'm staying away from any substances like that 🙅🏻
@@brie1232 I smoked weed too, it got to a point where my mental health would get worse when I smoked it, so I had to stop that sadly, I loved my weed it always chilled me out but after feeling the way I did and hearing some things along the lines of what you said about weed and psycadelics I stopped it.
Did several tabs and large amounts of shrooms several times. Acid is no joke saw things I can’t explain lol.
I did it when I was a teenager, thought the police were after me the entire night. It sucked!
That’s the key to doing psychedelics as someone who advocates it for people with a very sound mind if you aren’t right or strong minded Pyschedelics will really fuck you up.
i genuinely started crying when you got to the last issue of poorly planned comics. as an artist myself, while you were going through the comics i thought that jack was a very talented person, and realizing that he took his own life was heartbreaking. i pray he's in a better place now
He's not. Suicides go to hell.
I’ve broken down thinking about this story about his life.
He put into words beliefs I have long felt but struggled to express.
And god; I feel I owe it to him to read his life but I’m too scared I’ll identify too much and send me over.
Is the presisent trip guy still alive or did he take his life?
His death was a tragedy. Exceedingly unique and interesting person he was.
@@JaidenSmith-p8z I think he took the coward's way out
About the Jack Froese/Fröse bit: If Jack had a German background or the author of the mails was German, it makes sense, since we write "oe" as "ö" in Germany.
If the website or the software doesn't support other characters, then yes. In Germany, they usually type with ö, ä & ü when it comes to typing names or text.
@@Loterrach Why are you simply repeating what is already written?
@@UncleKennybobs in German anything with an accent above the o, a or u is written as oe, ae etc.
@UncleKennybobs Because I always paid attention to this kind of stuff. My real name contains special characters and I'm currently living in a western country where they don't have those special characters, so they replace them with normal letters from the alphabet instead.
@@Loterrach Well, we have some of them, it just takes an extra keystroke to create a ü or an ö (and it's probable you mean some other character than that).
But accented characters are not commonly used here in US Engilsh, so you end up seeing (for example) the surname Mueller instead of Müller...
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God, every time I remember Poorly Planned Comics and how it ends I want to cry.
As an artist dealing with mental health issues, its always been bittersweet, for lack of a better word, to see how many people really did love Jack and his work and still try to figure it out, even to this day.
Its an odd feeling to see someone online who was like, losing his mind in somewhat of a very public manner at times be remembered so fondly, and to see in comments sections on videos about him, he's not mocked. He is loved. He is missed. He is remembered. The internet can be such a cruel place, yknow? The world is too. You don't see that kind of compassion for someone who had either DID or schizophrenia very often.
Thank you for covering Jack's life and works with care and respect. May he rest in peace.
jack masters was the gateway to me understanding im not alone. rest in peace jack,.
same with listening to the discography of Linkin Park, the song One More Light being about losing a loved one and being released only months before Chester took his own life makes the song really hard to listen to without tearing up
@@maxleavitt8199crazy. There’s always some sad eerie coincidence with stories like this…
geg its an average TTD story
@@maxleavitt8199 Goddamn!! You had me with this one 😢💔
Man you are crazy consistent generally one of the best scary/disturbing video ytbers out there
Mr Nightmare is my other favorite scary one
@ same for me
I know, he does an awesome job.
@@melissagrant4178 He is awesome too.
@@melissagrant4178Yes, he is good too.
14:21 About the "incorrectly" written name, Americans usually change umlaut ä, ö or ü as ae, oe or ue as they don't have those letters easily available to them. So Fröse and Froese are just alternative ways to spell the name. It's not the wrong way.
you can write them like this even in German. So yeah, it's spelled right in any language.... stunning how such a simple information was never checked before realising this video...
Persistent Trip - 0:01
Poorly Planned Comics - 6:20
Jack Faroese Emails - 11:48
Grateful Doe Hitchhiker - 14:50
Indianapolis Wrecking Ball Theft - 18:23
(I know I’m kinda late)
Thx though
Bump
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I'd like to believe that some old guy in Indianapolis still has that wrecking ball in his backyard, and one hell of a story to tell.
Statute of limitations people!!!
C'mon give us the story of how you did it! 😃
There are so many mysteries that were criminal but can no longer be prosecuted.
Ha! THANK YOU! exactly what I thought. "I still can't figure out what someone would do with a 5-ton metal ball." You can't?? How about just giggling about it every time you crack a beer in your back yard? It would never stop being funny.
hello SM64 iceberg guy
0:12 that’s V-Sauce Michael. Especially in his recent videos.
Cringe profile cringe comment brother
Stupid kid
Stop hating fucking loser@@mattstiles8210
@ how is a profile without any content cringe? That would make your profile cringe as well.
@@smavi4133just cringe
Man the Jason Callahan incident is just heart breaking.
His mother is really stupid.
fr man
Society will never understand how completely isolating mental illness is. You feel completely alone and trapped inside a prison of which there is no escape. Everything that the comic author wrote i feel all the way down to the core of myself. And people simply wont understand, they cant and never will.
Yup. We just have to take it a day at a time.
Hahaha
I know what you mean it’s awful, and you get ridiculed for acting different or making mistakes
That’s why you deal with emotions even on a very young age instead of avoiding them so you do turn out to be crooked later in life
Many people go through this, though. It's part of the human experience. No single person will know what the other normal person goes through too
While I was in a hospital after having a psychogenic fugue on mushrooms, I met a guy in the mid-80s who saw everyone naked when he was high on mushrooms. When he came down, everyone was still naked. He had a big breakdown and ended up in a mental institute. Later he was released after treatment for his mental health and when I asked him how he was now, he said he was fine. "But everyone is still naked."
My older sister took Ayacusha 2 years before she took her own life about 7 months ago. She had her demons (like myself) but things spiralled very quickly in the following years and was devistating for me and my family even before that fateful day. Please be careful with that stuff it is very serious. RIP big sis I love you always xo
I thought ayahuasca was supposed to cleanse you from demons, not create them
@@dudebro91-fn7rz Ayahuasca can have very different effects depending on the person as far as I know, but I could be wrong.
@@dudebro91-fn7rzYour body needs to be in a certain state of alkalinity before taking ayahuasca otherwise you’ll have a really bad time.
@@dudebro91-fn7rz only if you do it in the woods with a Shaman for guidance
@@dudebro91-fn7rzit helps you face the demons, some can’t win that battle sadly
The endless trip guy sounds to me like he fell into drug induced psychosis or developed acute schizophrenia. It's very much not unheard of for people to have extreme reactions to hallucinogenics, especially if they already have mental health issues or are predisposed to psychosis. One of the main reasons I've stayed away from hallucinogenics and might never try them.
I had a teacher once who told us a story about an old student of hers who smoked hallucinogenic laced weed and went into such severe acute psychosis that she had to be hospitalised for years.
I was also thinking drug induced psychosis. Much more likely than the drug rapidly inserting schizophrenia though that is entirely possible even drugs like marijuana can do that
That's exactly the reason why I will never try hallucinogenics. I have bipolar II, so not full mania, but anyone with bipolar can end up having full blown mania with psychosis. I'm all the way good, thanks.
So true! I took hallucinogens (LSD and magic mushrooms, never in combination) in the 90s as a carefree student and then a young professional. Later on in adulthood I developed PTSD from my young daughter's cancer and death. When I went into perimenopause about 6 years ago, it caused terrible effects that doctors didn't spot. At one point I was prescribed high strength diazepam to help me sleep and for extreme 'anxiety', the latter of which was actually the result of extreme vasomotor symptoms from estogen loss (I was still menstruating regularly in my late 40s). Although not a hallucinogen, it gave me a horrible trip and, had I not realised what it was and knew it would wear off eventually, I'd have gone completely off the rails! I touch nothing more than coffee now! They are also a very bad idea for neurodiverse people. My son has autism, ADHD and OCD and his psychiatrist scared him off ever touching any stronger drug than moderate caffeine and occasional alcohol.
Same here, I smoked green and ate gummies version and even tbat did me in with a terrible trip, I was paranoid, constantly moving and twitching, making weird faces, worst of all I was aware of how much control was taken from of my own body and I hated it😭 It was so uncomfortable coming down while my camping friends had to watch and guide me back to earth😔
@bujfvjg7222 ...what does any of that have to do with psychosis?
I'm SO GLAD you included that it was unlikely that Jack's emails were from the grave or some crap. Too many people buy into this sort of thing, and it's really making us regress as a species. It would be easy, clickbait-y, and profitable to go around saying OoOoOooo spooky ghost is only explanation! It takes integrity to avoid that and I appreciate that.
Datura is called “Devils Trumpet” because the flowers point upwards as if being played from below. Brugmansia is called “Angles Trumpet” because they hang downward as if being played from above. They are both related and in the Nightshade family. That name has nothing to do with its hallucinogenic properties.
I followed Grateful Doe's case for years before it was solved and even spent months on the doenetwork trying to work out who he was. It was so good to see him finally identified and brought home to his family.
PS - I love your videos and wish you would upload more often.
Sadly that explains why he, and others, are never found. Because they are never reported as missing.
The comic book reminds me of this girl from a Reddit forum that I followed for a few months in 2022-april 2023. She made like a whole website, including a journal that she took photos of and uploaded. She spoke often about spirituality and the whole matrix theory. I thought she was really relatable and tried being her friend. After she took her own life last year, i found secret videos that she had recorded over the past 4 years on a hidden page on her website..her last one was like 7 days before she passed and she looked so out of it, but very excited and happy.. It's crazy, how many people are struggling, and you don't even know. Her story encouraged me to go to college and become a Social Worker someday and pursue a career in Mental Health. I haven't been the same person since April 2023.
A guy I knew took datura. Stripped naked in the hills and thought he was some kind of Amazon explorer. Walked through vicious dense thorn bushes swinging his atms like he had a machete.
Had a terrible time, was pulling thorns out for weeks.
I think it’s best to stay well away from that stuff.
@bujfvjg7222 I don’t think everything was intended to be eaten. (Or boiled and drink in his case)
Not sure how god is even involved in this chat.
@bujfvjg7222 Dude I'm a Christian, what does that have to do with drug flowers. Stop being a reactionary.
If you mean that God made all foods to be eaten, no he didn't.
There are highly poisonous creatures like pufferfish that should never be eaten. The sun is essential for all life on Earth but can also give you cancer if you take too much of it. Jews were forbidden to eat pigs by God, which predates Christianity, and Christians are forbidden from eaten monkeys and humans (cannibalism).
There is a whole ecosystem of life, God didn't just make humans, we share the Earth with God's other creations. It just so happens that we are God's smartest creation, but just because we are the smartest does not mean everything that exists was specifically built for us; if you truly believe that everything that exists was made specifically for humanity, you're not a Christian, you're a narcissist.
@@superyamagucci That guy has to be like 12 years old...
OP was like "don't do drugs kids!"
And that guy was like "well God made everything for humanity, so therefore you're calling God evil"
I have no idea who thinks like that. Maybe he's also on Datura himself 😅
@bujfvjg7222 Datura is proof that a nightmare realm exists, beyond our comprehension.
@@AdmitThatYoureInsane So, God is evil 😅
it’s remarkably smooth how straight he gets into the video. and this ain’t no annoying AI voice too which is really beautiful.
Everything you could ever want honestly. I've gotten to the point where i listen to the preview of videos to make sure it's not an AI voice. If it is, im not watching.
God bless you two people, i thought i was the only one or one of dew sorta speak
based
I agree. Who would've thought hearing a real human voice would be so wonderful.
@@Alex506dit’s creepy
It's actually genuinely unsettling that a man can be so utterly unknown that he died one day and it took 20 years for anyone to recognize him.
17:35 that Greatful Doe story was touching. The person who did all that research to give the person a name. Like what a great person. I wish I was more like that. Very touching for sure.
This is why I love web sleuths
I was also thinking ayahuasca when he spoke of boiling the roots.
The problem with any hallucinogenic drug is that if a person is predisposed to mental health problems or is already suffering from them, then they are at risk of lingering psychosis.
I’ve had some wonderful ayahuasca trips and some absolutely hellish ones. Either way, I would not want to be even in a mild psychedelic trip for 2 months. That would be horrific. My last ayahuasca trip was so intense that I felt it on and off for about 10 days. I still sometimes get a strange emotional sensation that I’ve only ever got on ayahuasca.
Right, if he is schizophrenic, for example, this could be a trigger for psychosis, I believe.
I heard that DMT is the last option for people who give up on life and need answers. They see themselves and even talk to "god". Some say they are no longer suffering from depression/anxiety.
I did DMT ...changed my life ❤
Weak people with weak mental abilities are attracted to these habits anyway.
@@donnykohler7208 I’ve done dmt many times. Done psilocybin and ayahuasca many times. Ibogaine twice.
I did all of this in an attempt to heal combat ptsd and addiction. It didn’t work for me. Like I said, I had some beautiful experiences on them all. I also had awful psychosis experiences in them that were traumatic in their own right.
I’m not saying these substances have no therapeutic value, but much more research needs to be done on them. If anyone believes that a psychedelic will permanently heal depression or anxiety, they are probably in for a letdown. Once the drug wears off, the same thought patterns, triggers and life situations are all there waiting for you. Real work is required to heal.
Jack Masters wasn't really wrong since even now, those photographers that replaced the painters are now being replaced by AI.
14:37 FYI, 'ö' in German can be equivalently written as 'oe' -- particularly in places where the diacritic might not be available, or where the audience might be intimidated by foreign characters (e.g. in a newspaper obit!)
This really isn't a piece of contradictory evidence at all
It´s the same in Swedish :)
came here to mention this
Also came here to say this:D
my last name has an umlaut ö and I have to spell it oe for email addresses and such 😩
Yup, came here to say this. Jack Fröse is Jack Froese
This is exactly why I've stayed away from hallucinogenic drugs. I've done every other drug known to man at some point, just not anything that causes hallucinations and bad trips. I've had pretty bad depression since I was 9 so I've always been terrified of being pushed over the edge.
Yeah, me too. I call myself straight edge for a reason. I was raised by a non smoking alcoholic, never liked the taste of alcohol, and being terrified of doing d*ugs ensures that I'll never touch any of that stuff. And yet I was the "weird, boring" one because I never wanted to do any of the stuff others feel they should do.
i stayed away as well during my "party days" i did shrooms but only ate a lil bit. BUT since it was my first time even those effects were scary. idk how ppl like doing those things. makes u think ur crazy. no thank!
@banderas2000 how much did you consume?? Mushrooms are fun
@@xeldinn86 if I remember correctly a few caps and some stems. Everyone is different and reacts different. For my friend seemed fine. But for me was not ideal situation 😆
The Jack Froese one frustrates me because it seems obvious someone close enough to them to know about the attic and broken ankle got access to their dead friend's email. This person could have also gotten access to other things they shouldn't have, but got away with it because those two would rather believe the fantasy that it was their dead friend speaking from beyond the grave.
I’m almost positive that dude got schizophrenia. My neighbor across the street from me growing up, this was around 2011-2012. I was a senior in high school and he was a year or two younger and him and his buddy did some shroomies. I remember because they asked me to tell them to go back inside if I saw them outside haha. Unfortunately one of the two kids, the one who lived across from me got paranoid schizophrenia not long after that and did some pretty awful things to not only his family but people in the neighborhood including me and my mom. This was in Florida and he finally got out into the prison psych ward after multiple arrests and a judge FINALLY stepping up to get him help. Was a nice kid. We both lost our dads young and would play Wii sports and play imaginary Pokémon outside growing up. Kids just be safe and don’t take any substance from anyone you don’t know and even when you do make sure to just be safe, responsible and understand all the risks and side effects of whatever you’re doing. Sorry for the essay 🤙✌️
I got ecstacy induced psychosis when i was 17. Symptoms got so bad and i was catatonic by the time i went into adolescent psych at fl hospital Orlando. Took 3p days to get stabilized enough on 5 meds. Klonopin, celexa, ambien, cogentin, and risperdol. Was like 5 year old and skelly came back to myself once i cutoff get out of hospital. Still became alcoholic and have been sober now since jan 2010 in St Pete. Good luck to anyone struggling or there. Go get help if you need it.
Do you think about planetussy sometimes?
Congratulations on your sobriety!
Congrats on staying clean. No one knows how bad the affliction is other than the afflicted.
Good job on staying sober. It’s one hell of a fight. ❤❤ much love
@@adidasfan360what’s that?
Datura is not a hallucinogen, it’s a deliriant, very different. With deliriants you don’t know what is real and what isn’t, it’s like a severe schizophrenia episode if not worse, it’s like dreaming with your eyes open but can’t tell if it’s the dream or real life
Youre so full of sh*t lol
Back before the internet, we all heard about the "glass of orange juice guy" that was "perma-tripping" for life, sitting in a hospital bed somewhere scared to lean over because he'd "spill" and die. Whether true or not, these myths haunt the hallucinogenic culture (if such a thing even exists). At this stage in my life, I know mental illness and drug abuse go hand in hand, and certain drugs can trigger underlying conditions. The scariest thing is, those trips that are only moments long that are packed with a lifetime of activity, detail, and drama. That will mess you up and leave you with legitimate PTSD when you think back on the experience--hence, the "flashbacks." I still think of a k-hole experience I had 25 years ago (edit: sorry, not 30, but a long time ago!), and every time I do, I get nervous and get that feeling like I'm back in "hell." Drugs suck. The mind is fragile. Be careful.
So you was a young teen when you took K?
Were you given ketamine at the children’s hospital? Not /s
The glass of orange juice guy.. Lol! I remember that. I tripped many times in my teenage years, back in the 90’s. I can’t imagine doing it today. It just would not be fun at all now.
@@FlorianMark 19
That happened to me with lsd and I was only 19. Happened multiple times and in front of friends who I don’t speak to anymore. I don’t even know who I am anymore
In regards to the first video Datura CAN last far longer than the drug is meant to. It’s an almost psychotic state that gets put on people. It doesn’t always happen but Datura can seriously screw you up for months. It can cause schizophrenic symptoms to develop in people too. You need to do more research on Datura before writing off the guy in the first video. He may just be one of the very real outliers that have existed before. Something atypical doesn’t mean something impossible
ive never heard of datura but cant they do something at the ER if that happens??
@@SueP-jg9vxnot necessarily
Man I remember taking triple C's. We were in my friends car when it hit. Man time slowed and the world was just off. Not a good off. Luckily I didn't OD. But the effects from what I took made time and distance all screwed up. Mins seemed like hours
Brother, Datura can last for maybe 3 days at maximum. Not for months. It's mental illness
@@veki5535I think what op was thinking of was permafrying (brain damage)
A guy going insane from a drug-induced psychosis, an artist taking his own life after a life-long struggle with mental illness, a young man dying in a car accident and staying unidentified for two decades, leading his mother to believe he hates her and has cut off ties with her... And someone stealing a wrecking ball off of a demolition site. This finished on a much lighter note than I expected!
i dunno why but self assisination as an alternative for suicide is such an annoying word for me, I'm a suicide attempt survivor with current persistent and intrusive sucidal thoughts and its more disturbing that the word suicide is being more censored by cringy words that IMO make suicide even more taboo. I just want it to be taken more seriously.
Intrusive suicidal thoughts must be a nightmare to live with. God is always with you. Whenever you get those thoughts, ask God to show you how much He loves you and values you.
Yeah I cringed so much at that, it's just making a mockery of suicide
For some reason it has become a taboo word for some. A suicide is a suicide.
uNaLiVe
I fully understand. And same.
With regards to the first video I know a guy that ate a whole sheet of acid and forever after that he walks around in a robe carrying a Bible and swore he was the second coming and I'm talking years after I think the actual trip broke his mind and caused some sort of permanent psychosis
this is my take as well
Datura is far more dangerous and volatile than LSD. People become entirely delirious
That’s insane mate😯
@@NorthernEnigma yeah it was wild seeing him go from pretty normal to that was crazy
My own brother has a similar story. He used to not believe in anything but after using acid and wayy too much he completely converted to christ and now sometimes talks for hours and hours about god like he just can not shut up.
Mental health issues definitely influence how a drug affects you. I’ve been diagnosed with depression and anxiety, and once after smoking, it took me an entire week, three severe panic attacks, and even a trip to the hospital to feel normal again. At the time, I genuinely thought I’d never feel normal again. I felt dissociated and like my brain couldn’t process things properly.
4:43 There is no way to believe this guy has any concept of time. He's likely peaking during the video. this is why you need a buddy when you do things like this.
holy shit i never thought i would see someone on here covering poorly planned comics. i remember going down the rabbit hole a couple of years back and ending up feeling completely depressed for atleast a couple of days. i just wish he had gotten the help he needed, and i hope hes finally at peace.
It's cool and all but really it just made me think of all the mentally ill people who DIDN'T write 300 comics about their suicide
no ones talking about that part but it made me cry so much, i dont want to think how confusing and unreal was for him at the end, maybe is just empaty but i wish people cared more for this case
@@OxluCorporate you must be too stupid to appreciate some of the humor and interesting thoughts contained in his comics by summing it all up that way
@@OxluCorporate i promise you there’s more to that, and even if that were the case- what would be the problem with that? a lot of artists make art surrounding their experiences or struggles. after all, art is a form of expression.
Jack Froese wasn't spelled incorrectly in the email. When writing German words in a text where special characters are not supported, "ö" would be written as "oe". It is the same.
Giving John/Jane Does their names back is an incredibly noble act. It gives them back their dignity in death. I admire everyone who works to do so.
Datura is a terrifying hallucinogen. Its a deliriant. Nightmares become real. Everything you see and hear looks like its real. Like there are people really there, voices talking in your ears, and the after effects can last for weeks. Such as blurry vision and the like. People have reported talking to dead relatives, seeing roaches crawl around their room, insects/bugs in their skin, terrifying screams from what sounds like their friends voices and so much more. The hat man is pretty common as well.
I have studied datura for a long time, and trip sat someone who was freaking out on Datura. I got the call for help mid trip so i went to assist and man... DO NOT DO THIS. He was completely out of his mind for a good 8 hours. Walking around bumbling to people that werent there. Couldnt keep his attention for more than 2 seconds as well. After the trip he had blurred vision and slurred speech for a couple of days. He said it was the most terrifying experience of his life including his tour in afghanistan in 03. So yeah.
The point of this, is Datura can cause extreme time dilation. My friend who took Datura Tea told me that he felt like he was in the trip for years. Like it was an inescapable hole he thought he died in. Its a terrifying plant. Do not mess with it. It CAN and WILL kill you. And worse, a nightmare trip for 12 hours on a terrifying substance that breaks people mentally.
Awesome channel man.
I've done datura a few times. For a few months afterwards I would always hear voices coming from the vents in the house talking about me and people in the house talking about me when I was supposed to be home alone . I would hear the front door constantly open and close even though it was locked. It took 2 or 3 months for those hallucinations to die down. Datura sucks honestly
All u can know for certain...IS THE LENGTH OF THE CLIP.
Dang why on earth would anyone do this?? Seems the cons heavily outweigh the pros. Just thinking about it freaks me out
Why would u do it a few times knowing it sucks lol @@asgoodasyou
@@asgoodasyou why did you do it more than once?? lmao
In the desert areas of California Datua, or jimsonweed is pretty common. A friend of mine in high school in the 90's took it and went crazy at school and was arrested, hospitalized and expelled from school, I still remember this pretty clearly. Huffing freon was another pastime of some of that group of kids. I'm glad I didn't really venture further than weed.
The art world may no longer need Michelangelos but the Michelangelos of the world will always need to create art, and that’s all that matters.
point being, the world doesn't need Michelangelo, so he's gonna have to work at McDonalds, and do creative projects as a hobby. A lot of hobbyists prefer to keep their works private (because they're not getting paid), so the overall artistic output in the world decreases
Artistry has always been a hack word
The Michaelangelos are tired, thanks.
THIS
I think the thing that's being missed is that there will always be an evolution of what any period of time calls "art", in that it begins as something only a person can create through their own individual idiosyncrasies, and ends with a formulaic representation of that same thing, mechanistically being recreated. SO then a new form of art will emerge that will be beyond the formulas and only possible through human ingenuity....etc....at least I hope that's how it goes.
Drugs can cause schizophrenia and psychosis. I hope that man is alright now.
As a schizophrenic I want to say...
If I had inadvertently caused myself to become this, I'd probably end up not being able to forgive myself.
This is not fun.
Not being able to leave my bedroom because my mind won't let me isn't fun
Datura is not worth messing with, I had a tree of the Brugmansia (hanging bell) type in my backyard and people around my hometown had tried it and told us how when I was 14. I made some a few times and nothing happened. Then another year a dude asked me to make him some because he'd heard I made some before and had a tree of it. I made it exactly the same way. I took like two swigs maybe, and I ended up blacking out within an hour and an ambulance got called. I was on a respirator supposedly for a while. And it actually does cause residual hallucinations because I saw weird shit out of the corners of my eyes for at least a week or so after. Then it finally went away. It was insane..
The reason it did nothing then another year put me in the hospital is because the flowers can have extremely varying amounts of the psychoactive substance in them depending on rain amounts each year, sun exposure etc. Go ahead and google this for yourself, it's true. One season it can barely give you a trip or even do nothing, the next season it can give you nothing but cardiac arrest.
interesting that it can vary how psychoactive it can get. that makes it even more dangerous in my opinion. beautiful flower/plant tho!
@gigibeal Yeah I found that out the hard way lmao and then years later I did some research only to learn that. I had a friend who like did it a bunch of times too and she confirmed some days she'd have a mild trip, other times she would be having like a cinematic trip, the kind of insane fake trip you see in movies and don't think is even possible. She'd be out having conversations with light poles and crap thinking it was people she knew.
The after death e-mail story has a very simple explanation: Someone had the password of the deceived guy's e-mail. It's as simple as that. No supernatural shenanigans.
how would they know about a private conversation/joke between them though
Or the guy was fucking around and sent out scheduled emails not knowing he wouldn’t be alive by the time they delivered.
@@foxsden12 He just had to read their Facebook messages.
@@patrickr9670That theory has been debunked. Watch the Video.
Seeing someone unravel mentally is terrifying
Damn bro, the Poorly Planned Comics part kinda got to me, I'm an aspiring artist and have been dealing with mental health issues for a long time (luckily nothing as extreme as Jack's case)
Specifically the 7:30 bit hit too close to home, I've wanted to make art for most of my life, I've always known how hard it would be but I decided to push forward because its one of the few things that truly makes me feel happy, but currently with this whole AI bullshit that has come in recent years my already unlikely dream now seems pretty much impossible. Honestly I never had any high hopes for the future, but everything feels so grim and hopeless.
You can spend hours even days trying to make something of value but in that same time some slob can make tons of Artificial crap. I could have lived with that fact, there have always been people who are better and faster than me, I can accept that, but the fact that for most people a shitty malformed picture created by a machine has the same value as something made with passion and purpose by a person who has dedicated their life to it is disheartening.
Jack said "Michaelangelos are no longer needed" but nowadays it feels like Michaelangelos are not even wanted.
michaelangelos ARE needed, but yes, i agree on the front that (corporations especially) in general they don't seem wanted. it's disheartening fr. i hope despite it all you find a way to pursue your dream, and you make good money from it.
@@gigibeal I agree, corporations are the killers of creativity and of pretty much anything else that doesn't make them profits.
But seriously thank you very much for those words, I really needed them, and don't worry about me, as I said art is the only thing that makes me happy, so I don't think I'll stop for as long as I live, I'll keep going no matter what, even if I don't get anything in return.
Do your artwork anyway. Regardless of AI
If Michelangelo cared about being needed or wanted, he wouldn’t have been an artist. It’s not an artist’s job to be successful or appreciated. It’s an artist’s job to make something real. And god knows humanity needs something real right about now. Don’t let whatever heartless “tool” is popular at the moment stop you.
Art isn’t about a picture, or a song, or a movie, or a sculpture. Art is about a lifetime.
I’m an artist as well. It’s not just the Ai stuff either because in the art journaling community, there’s people that are the popular ones and no matter how “stupid” the stuff they’re making is- they still have people’s attention. I was always trying to (and succeeding) create things that people hadn’t seen before, especially with cost-friendly items. Basically no one in the community cared - simply because i was not one of the popular people. If those people came out with what I did- the community would’ve gone nuts. It was really disheartening. The worst was the copying and not giving credit or making money off what was stolen. I keep to myself now because the community was crushing the joy out of my art and I’m not about that. 💜
I would not recommend doing intense drugs if you have any mental illnesses or health conditions. There is just no knowing if they could trigger a psychotic break or interact negatively with a bodily process. I occasionally (with doctor's permission) take very mellow full spectrum gummies for chronic pain and sleep, but because I have kidney failure, the drugs take a long time to clear out of my system and effects last easily 3x as long as they would for a healthy person. I had to learn the hard way that my tolerance was bad and I was sensitive to thc and cbd after taking a stronger one and greening out and depersonalizing/dissociating/time traveling for three days. I also learned I can't take them if I suspect I have an infection, because I did once and I had symptoms of delirium.
I had the same issue as the first guy. It’s a sort of chemical imbalance. It took me about five months to get back to normal. Basically what you feel is the anxiety you feel from a bad trip but it never goes away. And the fear that it will never go away becomes overwhelming. It’s absolutely terrifying. My parents almost had to send me to a mental institution at 15 years old. And then just one day I woke up and it was gone
That Grateful Doe story is a great example of what the internet was meant to be.
Someone has probably already mentioned this but Fröse and Froese are equivalents.
Yes, many.
Came here to post this. If anyone is curious, Fröse is German and Froese is the English spelling, since in English we don't have the umlaut (the two dots over the o).
I can just imagine a cartoonish villain twirling his moustache and laughing about his successful wrecking ball heist.
I personally know the man in the first clip and I think this was a temporary situation and likely just an experiment exploring psychedelics that went a bit wrong. I haven't been in touch with this person for a decade but I knew them very well. What a shock to see him on youtube like that. However, I just looked him up on social media and he appears to doing fine and recently posted about a creative project. So he is okay! I wonder if he left the tape for someone to find? I think he and I shared an admiration for the magazine called Found which was full of f entertaining found random materials like love letters etc.
Contact him and tell him?
What is his name
good to hear he is ok
I call o.p b.s. what is it trust me bro? Coz i see no name or source
@@braveorslave😂😂 are you from USA?
Ah no. Indian. Scammertown. Zero respect for other people's privacy.
In Europe you cannot do that due to GDPR.
What if the person does not want to be reminded of those dark times?
Whether true or not, no one cares what you think or feel about what OP said.
Jason's story was so beautiful, those internet detective are heroes. Made me cry
Regarding the datura story: your hypothesis that the drug caused brain damage and through that schizophrenia is medical nonsense.
He very likely just developed a drug induced psychosis. There is no link between „brain damage“ and schizophrenia. You can however trigger episodes of schizophrenia in genetically predisposed people through certain drugs, stress or lack of sleep.
Simple drug induced psychosis seems more likely though given the age of the poster.
As a person with several disorders myself, I am so happy that mental illness is treated with such care in this video. It's often treated as this "unseen boogeyman", especially in the horrortuber space. So I'm happy to see a horror youtuber actually take care when mentioning such a topic.
That quote about 8:00 into the video was genuinely brilliant. Very poignant. I'm sad to hear what happened to him.
brilliant to a midwit maybe
love it too
The quote confuses talent with skill.
Yeah idk why there aren’t more comments about how great these comics are
My mother went to high school and college in the 70s, and I have to tell you she told me that everyone liked to be a prankster. They would go to great lengths to pull off silly pranks and it makes me laugh a little bit to think that this could just be a huge joke that someone pulled off to the umpteenth degree.
The wrecking ball going missing might have just been some sort of ridiculous dare or prank. I say that because that is exactly the type of stuff folks used to do back in the day as pranks and dares in my hillbilly hometown and the larger the item, the more likely it was to be taken. Yeah, a 2.5-5.0 ton wrecking ball would be extremely difficult, but that's probably half the reason for doing it. Had a wrecking ball been available back then for folks to snatch, it would have gone POOF within two or three days.
Just found your channel last week, been binging videos ever since, keep it up chilling
I feel for Jack. My best friend has D.I.D and it generally is something that people live with and some even find harmony with their alters. Jack needed help to understand his conditions and it's tragic he never got it. Rest in peace, man.
4:40 hello, im peruvian, home of the ayahuasca formula, and i assure you, it is not mild by nature. People have died trying it for the first time because its effects are different from person to person and the high part of it can last even a few days. It is said to be so strong it can give tou hallucinations or even a glimpse of your future in the form of a hallucination. Several artists and famous people have come to Peru only to have that experience and the preparation before taking it sometimes take days before consumption by the person preparing the drug and by the one who will consume it. It also has seen as use to stablish pacts with demons as both the shaman and the demon drink and bond to curse someone.
@Killers-ICUpretty sure he just explained that .
@Killers-ICU😭
Hmm that’s very interesting.. I’ve always wondered how one comes about making a pact with a demon.. it’s hard to find things on it though because many people are either afraid do they don’t believe in it.
I saw my future on LSD, so far it hasn’t been true, maybe I just need to get sober first
As far as I know, drugs like these can cause depersonalization? what if the trip had been over, but the consequences have not and would never be?
Brain damage. Datura isn't to be played with. You can actually die. You can't determine a safe dosage. You can get permanently affected. And also it's not a hallucinogenic like shrooms that give you depersonalization, or dissociative like K, it's a deliriant. There is NO trip. You are out of it. A zombie. You don't control what you do at all.
Some drugs can trigger underlying issues, such as jump-starting schizophrenia that was already genetically present in the person and would have surfaced anyway later on. In some drugs, Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder (HPPD) can occur, which is what this man is seemingly presenting with. He took datura, which is extremely dangerous as it can cause long-lasting damage and even death. There is a drug that can counteract the symptoms of an overdose, but I don't know if it was available in 2008.
The alkaloids in Datura are neurotoxic and experiencing a nightmarish and delirious trip could lead to long lasting or permanent psychological trauma. It’s entirely possible that a case of DPDR does not resolve after using Datura as well.
Stfu u don't know shit. Hallucinogenic is different than a deleriant aka datura. The thing ppl get confused bout is this n salvia. But even then salvia is borderline psychedelic
Dear god, being stuck in a Datura trip. It's already horrific enough imagining being on Datura, let alone that not ending. I've had bad trips from many drugs, I would never take a drug that only gives bad trips. Oh and it's super deadly too. Poor lad.
So I’ve been a casual psychedelic user over the years, my one friend had a lot of siblings and we’d go over to his house and trip cause anyone was welcome over…
one of the brothers who was in highschool at the time starting taking multiple heavy doses of shrooms and It pretty much broke his brain. He would talk and laugh to himself, he would post videos on Instagram of him crying and speaking in English and Russian accents, posts would have cryptic messages. This behavior was so unordinary that my friend had 15+ people hit him up asking if his brother was okay.
Unfortunately his brother passed away from an overdose. I say all that to say if you’re going to use psychedelics do not take large doses and give your brain a chance to recover after a trip.
Overdose of something else, right? Mushrooms cannot kill you so it must have been something else, unless he took to much that he killed himself.
I love how these videos are so eerie and how chilling scares is always skeptical, too.
On Jack’s early recordings and in his correspondence with friends he is open about creating Suzie as a way to entertain himself and manage his thoughts. When he altered his voice and spoke back and forth to himself, that was Jack acting as ‘Suzie’. Maybe that was his way of dealing with his worsening schizophrenia. It just always felt that Jack was in on his own jokes. Fascinating guy. Sorry to his family and friends.
Also I'm glad you mentioned Maze at the end. maze is a huge part of the Jack puzzle.
I have DID and it can be a living nightmare without support. My heart goes out to that artist and his family. Thank you for handling the topic with care.
How long ago were you diagnosed?
@@ytsmProbably last month on tiktok.
@@ytsm Over a year ago but I've been through a decade of therapy prior. They don't like to diagnose it in people without them going through extensive CBT etc first.
@18:24 dunno bout the others, but for the missing wrecking ball I’d check out this girl named Miley Cyrus, pretty sure she took it.
I had a friend who ate half an ounce of mushrooms and became permanently schizophrenic. It's so sad, he was such a bright kid before.
For the Jack Frose one. The idea I have as to what makes it physically plausible is that somebody hacked his account. Could be somebody close or could be somebody that managed to find some information left on his device pertaining to how the person would know about the contents to be sent in email. Otherwise they set it up for attention.
Can we acknowledge how true what Jack said about Michael Angelo is? Computers can turn anyone into a brilliant creator, it’s sad and disheartening to anyone who is creative. It takes the wonder out of art.
The comment that art is now too easily created is crazy relevant to the AI art phenomenon happening currently
Having done my own digging on an old series of fun MS Paint animations from YT's early years, to the point that I found recently the creator is in fact still around and responding to some more recent comments on his work, hearing the Poorly Planned Comics story was sad.
A high school friend took a large amount of LSD and it changed him forever. It completely broke him. This was 23 years ago. He's still not the same. Clearly, he wasn't "stuck" in a trip, and he had an underlying condition and the hallucinogenic triggered something, but I understand why someone in this circumstance might think they're "stuck" in a trip.
I can speak from experience- datura/jimson weed is fucking terrifying. The best way to describe it is you're not tripping, you're delirious. My trip lasted 2-3 days. I ate approx a tablespoon of raw seeds out of a fresh pod not dried with a friend of mine. Jesus it was horrible and frustrating and you couldnt pay me to do it again. I always heard in my younger days that some people do 100% get "stuck" in their trip, as if the drug never wore off. Maybe they took too much or maybe their brain couldnt handle it... scary.
They say the internet never forgets, but the context can be obscured. We have footage of people doing things that we can't fully understand - we tend to fill in the reasons for others actions.
Idk what you’re implying
@@starman4840As people, we use context to understand the actions of others. And when we see something that have little to no context, we tend to assume things.
Go to sleep jabroni
@@tapeadeadwormIt's almost 12:35 pm. Good Afternoon!
The Jack Frose emails gave me those teary eyes that you only get when you’re genuinely spooked by a ghost. Rarely happens to me.
The first dude probably will never come back from his trip. I've worked with people who were addicted to drugs and some of them became braindamaged forever because of the use of hallucinogens . It's almost impossible that he came back, but I hope he's okay.
Datura is no joke. It's really one of the heaviest natural hallucinogenic plants you can find.
It's not a hallucinogenic at all. You have no chance of controlling your actions like with actual hallucinogenic. Contains scopolamine. It's a deliriant.
@Corungil sorry, English is not my first language :) didn't quite get the specific wording right. Thanks for teaching me something new today!
@MydieLy Don’t sweat it. Most native English speakers don’t even know the difference between the two.
This guy is everything most top 10 channels wish they were
Only this channel can make a disappeared wrecking ball story interesting lol.
I love how the rest of the mysteries are creepy and then the last mystery is just a silly story about a stolen wrecking ball
about jack masters and DID, it is possible he may have had it, but if he was only experiencing these breaks in self when under the influence, that rules out DID. one of the criteria for DID is that it’s not related to a spiritual practice or under the influence of drugs.
The Ghost email and Text message was actually quite touching.
I had a friend who ate a whole bucket of mushrooms in 2005 for a dare and he's still messed up now, he literally isn't the same person and complete opposite. Soon after he did it he was sectioned with schizophrenia, he doesn't know who I or my friends are till this day. I mean it put us off psychedelics 😂
Perfect timing! Was looking for something to watch whilst cleaning
Yo remember to clean that one shelf
especially the back of the top of the shelf, I can see the fluff from here
remember to vacuum
Remember to clean the attic
How is your leg injury going ?
Theory about jack froese emails: I’ve heard of things such as text messages being actually delivered months after they were sent by the owner. This included people who were already dead, and confused a lot of people, but it was confirmed (by apple or google or someone) that the messages had just failed to send. I believe this is the case here, just in an individual case.
Whatever you are saying could be true in some cases, but, in a situation like this where he died 5 months ago but sent the msg to his brother who got hurt just 2 weeks ago doesn’t sound true. How could he have foreseen that his brother would injure his ankle? Honestly that whole story just seemed like they somehow wanted some attention or maybe I could be wrong. I hope I am though, I want to know what actually happened.
@@Hahaha_2928 I'm assuming it was some kind of sick prank by a person close to them
The attic is such a strange reference though. There's other stories like this that just seem unexplained, there's a post on reddit of a mother recieving similar texts from her sons phone after he passed but she had the phone in her posession, and the texts were vague references to things she was doing. I read the mom(who posted about it)'s other reddit posts and she seemed really genuine, and the stories of her sons death were verifiable. Js, there's other stories that are eerily similar to that one
The first guy. It is possible that he took something. Ayahuasca makes sense. But, he eerily reminds me of my father who in the end was diagnosed with a grade 4 Glioblastoma (Brain Cancer). My dad thought he was tripping for over a year. He would binge drink to 'come down' and he felt that people were after him. When he would come out of a binge he would start taking whatever herbs or anything he could get his hands on trying to cure himself. He was afraid to leave the house or drive. He was on government assistance and would pay people he knew to bring him groceries, beer, or whatever he needed. He even called me up randomly one day and said that my Mother and my Aunts were witches who cast a spell on him and wanted to know if I was a good witch or a bad witch. I did not see my father as I was out of the country. But, the way that the guy is speaking just made me shutter. My father wound up having a stroke and having the brain cancer removed and he said that cured everything that he was experiencing. He even said 'I felt like I was tripping and it finally ended'. So, to throw another possibility out there.