Timothy is clearly not alive. The blood in the car that is his, the car being in muddy grass area, her cryptic note and in all these years no one or Timothy has come forward saying they have him, he was murdered a few days before she took her life
@@aaronmorris409how in gods name would you be able to prove the blood was from a nose bleed. And who’s to say the nose bleed isn’t from him being beaten to death?
@@Flawashingtoneasily. You look at the sample under a microscope snd examine for nasal epithelium. That and i believed the father corroborated that the blood may have come from a nosebleed
@@FlawashingtonAlthough I don’t agree with him, it can be possible to detect blood from the nose as it can contain contaminants commonly found within the nose.
It was probably an "accident" or at least wasn't consciously trying to gameend him. Probably realized her mistake and left that note to leave them with hope before deciding her own fate. Kid definitely is not just "out there somewhere" tho
There are some crazy females out there. My son's mom made up a big lie and even had her neighbors take part in the lie. I haven't watched this yet but people speculating is sometimes the worse thing people could do.
If you ask me, Timothy "being with people who will care for him" i am 100% certain is her way of saying hes "with The Lord" (as in she killed him) without admitting it Ive seen too many cases similar to this to not automatically assume thats sadly the probable end result. Id love to be wrong one day though
I think you're spot on, I don't think someone who's "on the road" for days has someone they trust that far out. I also think they went through her phone records,internet history ect. If he was with someone she "trusted" there would be a trail leading to Timmothy. I would love to hold out hope but I doubt it at this point.
I don't blame the family at all for hoping that he's just with some friend of the mother's they don't know, but I also believe she just meant he's with angels or God or whatever. I wish we could find out what on earth was happening - I don't remember in a longer recount of that story them saying the mother had anything mental happening that anyone knew about. Her just randomly taking off with there being no apparent domestic issues and ending herself and probably the son is really weird. Like maybe she had psychosis and was just really good at masking it, and we'll never know.
Unfortunately, I believe you’re right. I don’t blame his family for having hope, especially for this long, but I feel like the way Timothy’s mom worded it alluded to the fact that she killed him without outright saying it.
@MephistonCalistarius you know that's a really good point....if she'd made arrangements for Timothy to be given to someone there would be a trail. Unless she corresponded with someone thru mail. But that is unlikely. I believe the same. She must've completely broke to hurt her son, the one person she loved the most. I guarantee also....her taking his life had more to do with her not wanting to be without him, than her husband was abusing him. She prolly thought that if she killed him they'd be together in the afterlife. She likely dumped him in a big body of water. It would have 2 be somewhere she was familiar with. Or some extremely secluded place where his body wouldn't be found. Also why she didn't just have him with her...in other words...why kill him in a completely separate place? I mean she wouldn't be worried about being reprimanded, she's dead. Maybe she didn't want their family to think badly of her. In any case, you can't make out any rational Behavior from a person that is displaying nothing but irrational behavior.
The fact that the father in the third case was known as an overbearingly protective father who would even go as far as bother his daughter at her job, yet he didnt notify police immediately after her disappearance is pretty telling evidence that he knows whats up. Even if you assumed he is innocent, him breaking so out of character is very suspicious. Im pretty sure he was the one who killed her, probably because he might have started having a hard time controlling his victim or covering up what hes been doing
@@mussydesign7933 Where there's smoke, there's fire. You think his behaviour as a Dad was normal, no. His story was weak and makes no sense. He did it, the police/lawyers just couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Just because he was acquitted doesn't mean he's not guilty.
There's something behinf Michaels eyes that just gives me chills. Its like he's holding back laughter or definitely the knowledge of Alissa's passing. Its so disheartening that you can see it in him yet, no evidence. This is a very well done video by the way!
Agreed. Especially when he got out of prison and the interviewer asked him any messages for Alissa’s and his long pause and saying I love you and not come back home….. like he knew she wouldn’t be coming home
It's really disheartening and unfair, but it's also necessary for people to see what happens when a case is opened without concrete proof. I don't know if there were mistakes in the original investigation (like, didn't they have sufficient evidence to at least grill the father originally? Or did they do and he didn't say anything? In any case I think they had enough cause for a warrant to search his house), or whether no adequate evidence was found, but I don't even know if there is sufficient cause in the future whether they can even charge him with the same charge. But the girl's sister Sarah is a trooper. Mad respect.
can we not skip over how genuinely terrifying the second one is. random guy breaks into a church at THREE AM, in strange swat gear, decides to wander around and break things with his disgusting walk, and as soon as the girl arrives all of the security tapes are cut? like this is actually something out of a horror movie, imagine how horrifying it was for her to discover some random in the church that early in the morning with swat gear on, not knowing she was about to be murdered.
I’m also questioning Why did she go to the church at 3:40am? Did she have something to do there? Because it’s either a trap, or there’s a possibility she went there with an intention for getting in danger. Although I absolutely doubt it, something seems wrong, for someone to go into a church at 3am, then ANOTHER person go into that same church 40 minutes later. Another confusing part about the case. The person in the SWAT gear, had a clear way of moving around, not just like they didn’t know the layout, but almost walking into walls, disoriented, almost tripping, the murderer could not have been stable, whether it be drunk, high, mentally ill or anything else, but there’s NO WAY that person was thinking straight!
@@edensarnelli9373 She went early because she taught early-morning classes, and she liked to set up and be ready early, iirc from another video I watched on this case. Like she was just that kind of person who was organized and early for everything.
3rd story: He 100% was grooming and m*lesting her. This kind of thing actually happens a lot, sadly. A parent/step-parent will groom a kid/kids. As they get older, they often learn that what's happening to them is wrong, and the likelihood of them telling someone rises. This is usually when the child will "mysteriously disappear".
In regards to Alissa, things that werent mentioned. 1) the surveillance cameras were always recorded on vhs tapes. The tape of the day she was missing was never found 2) he also bugged the phones and recorded them. He claims she called from a California number on May 24th 2001. She swore at him then hung up. The recording device was turned off on that evening. It’s seriously insane that this pile of shit got away with it. Hope i meet him one day
Why do you hope to meet him, so you can say "Hey I met that murderer one time." Not like you would do anything, at least I hope you wouldn't or you would also be a murderer. See how that works?
One thing that bothered me is when he said: "The same message I've always tried to give IT" what "it" is he reffering to? I think he slipped up there and referred to her as it, which would just solidify that he has no love, empathy or remorse for her. Or even more disturbingly because he knows she's dead and thinks of a body, not a person, so therefore he says "it".
exactly and the way his eyes dropped when the lady asked him 'you want her to come home'. Its so shocking and its clearly him that did it . evil b**tard
He looked like he was more angry at the fact that “it” [as he labeled his daughter (the old bastard)] got him sent to jail. U tell in his eyes hes rotten to the core
The father contacting CPS out of the blue to tell them that if his daughter were to call them and report being inappropriately touched by him that they should ignore it should’ve been a huge red flag to CPS. That alone should’ve warranted an investigation. Did no one there think that that was incredibly suspicious?
@@Boyso5407 ive read a good amount about this and surprisingly this is the first time i heard that. Tbh it makes me wonder if its true cuz like u said, i dont see how child protective wouldn’t investigate
@@connorstebbins23961) The ones that TRULY care are understaffed/underpaid/overworked. 2) A few of them are in it for the paycheck! As a mom, my radar would spike, most likely to face government bureaucracy/red tape! Side note, might you be related to a Stebbins family in Michigan? There's an open case there, with someone with that name. 😔
@@connorstebbins2396Sarah Turney has a UA-cam channel to spread her sister Alissa's story, trying to get justice for for her. & the first time i heard that particular detail was just 2 days ago, when i found her channel & started binging her long form content... That man is terrifyingly awful, i can't imagine what its even like to learn your dad is 🤢 like him
4 MY guess,it will be that,there's either-A,a deep corruption hence his release and,"incompetence ",or,B,just that he's just too old to be a IMMEDIATE threat to anybody so,they just didn't give his victim the proper respect hence,once again,incompetence...👏
@@StevenDarvill-nv4ez That's why so many cases don't go to trial. The consequences of an acquittal on such circumstantial evidence are more than the suspect not going to jail. The question is whether more evidence could have been acquired at the beginning of the investigation. In any case I hope that POS get its from somewhere before he dies. Her sister is an admirable woman.
Although I be a bad man in my own sight, I don't like the thought of these types of things happening. (Someone suddenly dying and all signs point to foul play, yet no one can touch the one/s blatantly seen as responsible by many) No one ever has or ever will getaway with any wrong. Not me. Not you. Not her dad. I have no daughter, or step children. If I ever do, it will be because I willingly chose to. Meaning I will have dedicated myself to providing and protecting at any/all cost to my self. What if your father/stepfather treated you so awful? How would you feel? Hurt? Inadequate word I believe. Frustrated/ enraged/hopeless? Betrayed? 💔 Justice doesn't mean anything earthly to me. Justice is what we will all face when we die the first death. How will you fare? I myself am a wretched sinner. Even so, Glory be to God. For whatever He Judges to do that is good in his own sight, then it is Righteous. Yeah. That guy will not escape what he did, and no allegedly or patty cake acquittal mortal court frilly trimmings will be involved. For we all will face The Lord of Host's, The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The same God who gave David victory over Goliath. My God. Who I have failed, and who I have sinned against. Don't fear anything else other than God's Might. For no other power reaches The Allmighty
So, the mystery with Kenny. It is speculated that he committed suicide. His girlfriend at the time has come out and said that she believes as much as he left that day without his usual hiking stuff, he didn't bring his camera to record, that he was very depressed lately and especially so at the time. I, personally, think this is the most likely answer to what happened to Kenny. Which is really sad, I hope he found peace in his last moments and wherever he is that he is also at peace.
Personally, I believe something horrible happened to him. Things hissed at him, as he (against his own better Judgment) walked further into a forbidden place, passing ancient ruins, caves, glowing eyes peering from cloaked creatures, and disturbing screenshots (if you care to be thorough) of inhuman.....(Reptilianish?? Non humanoid things?? Of various form...and a few humanoid one that were all invisible, except for the eyes. Why did he tremble with terror yet STILL ignore God's warning?? That's what terror is. Survival software, pre-installed. Some call it fight or flight. I call it the Cold chill on the spine, hair raising dread of imminent death. Thank you God for I would have been dead more than several times if not for you giving me that unmistakable feeling.
I can't even imagine how difficult it must be waiting to find your son for so many years after all that happened during Timothy's disappearance and the mystery surrounding it. The note really adds to the tension because you can only hope it's just partially, that he is indeed safe but not the part stating "you'll never find him".
The note is just a distraction, though. Why would the note matter? What, are we seriously saying her words should be trusted? "Well, she didn't say she hurt him, so that must mean she didn't." C'mon. We're not in Kindergarten. The note isn't truthful or helpful, and there is no reason anyone should expect it to be. Anyone can write a note and say literally whatever they want to say on the note, and it doesn't reflect anything about anything.
@@axokrotus343 This does not answer my question. An appropriate way to attempt to answer the question "Why does the note matter?" is to say "It matters because X being true about the note implies Y being true about reality." The problem here is, as I have pointed out, and which you have completely ignored, that the contents of the note are untrustworthy. If they are untrustworthy, then they are also irrelevant to the investigation, as no further conclusions about the facts of the case can be drawn.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 Obviously her word was not trusted 100 percent but they did not find a body or a trace of the boy, thats why the hope he is still out there is still big
@ I understand that they did not find the body of the boy, but this does not change the way the laws of probability work, nor does it change the facts we know to be true about human beings in general. The mindset "no body was found, so he must be alive" is extremely naïve, and extremely irresponsible on the part of the investigative authorities, given the evidence. One does not need a Ph.D. in forensics to understand something so basic. Now, look, is it _technically possible_ he is still alive even today? Well, yes, of course it is, but possibility does not matter here. What matters is probability. If possibility were what mattered, then no one would be convicted of crimes ever.
the fact that Timothy’s dad is still under a guise that he is alive seems like purely a survival tactic for his brain. There’s very little logic in that thought process. very sad
It's not about him having little logic it's his coping mechanism no parent wants to lose their child and don't want to assume the worst when something bad happens
He stated it in the video. It's "Hope" . Too many people give up too easily. Props to this man for not giving up. Never give up until you have closure.
I lived in Aurora IL when Timmothy went missing. The ENTIRE CITY was PLASTERED with missing posters and signs. It was really sad. I was SO happy when he was "Found" but so SO sad when it was just a thief and con-artist.
I’m in platteville wi rn but I’m from wheeling IL even here when he did we had posters too and platteville is 1.5 hours from Rockford what I learned about south western WI even the rural areas outside of Rockford and Beloit is that it has a ton of closed off Amish community’s Grant,Lafayette,Green, and western Rock have a lot of them
Kinda wish you would have included in Kenny's case that his girlfriend made a post about how Kenny had a terminal illness and was struggling with his mental health, and that she genuinely believed that he went out in the dessert with no intention of coming back. Apparently he had tried to end his life prior, and his behaviour was very reminiscent of that. This is a major aspect of the case, and should have been included.
The girl Amy that went missing on the cruise ship is terrifying, I have heard this story different times now and no matter how you hear it, the story is absolutely crazy
@@thomasfoley9564 it was sent to them over an email. The sender said they found it on an escort site. Why that person was on that site and who that person was, I have no idea.
The fact that Michael was so overprotective before Alissa's disappearance and that immediately evaporated after makes it so obvious that he was involved. It always horrifies me that the police just completely wrote Alissa off, basically entirely based on his words. Pure evil.
Probably has/had her locked up somewhere and if so, him being in custody would have led to her death IF she was. So either way, she is gone now. If he did kill her, he is smart enough to still use present tense ''I love her'' not ''I loved her''
@@tbct4619 as a matter of fact, if you pay close attentions to his words 22:44 he (i want to say accidentally but he could actually be that disgusting) referred to her as an “it”. My take from this was that he was holding a grudge that “it” (his daughter) got him sent to jail. Then he caught himself and said: “that i love her” What piece of sht referrers to their kid as an “it”???
Dude. What are the police supposed to do when there are no evidence? Old people especially are prone to personality changes. There isn't something that proves he did anything. That's how the court works, otherwise anyone who messes up a bit while talking to the police or publicy, even if they were innocent would be locked up.
1) - I believe that "Timothy will be cared for by caring people" means that he's probably in heaven. - The blood in the car - Having evidence that they drove in dirt road I feel sorry for the father, cuz he wasn't getting a conclusive answer of the fate of his son 4) The human trafficing is so tragic & disgusting 5) The M-shaped cave story. The M stands for MYSTERIOUS
I feel like some people forced her to do what she did. I feel she took him to special places for him to have a better ending. She couldn’t beat the guilt so she did that…
For story #1, there are similar cases where a mother abducts the child to conceal a case of false paternity from infidelity. It may be wishful thinking considering the blood evidence, but there may be a scenario in which he was given over to his paternal family (her affair partner) to prevent the truth of his patronage from getting out. Suicide isn't a far leap from there. One final secret to take to the grave. I only mention this because it happens often (to a less dramatic extent) with insular religious or ethnic communities. Example: Mom leaves the Latter Day Saints (those people are nuts), runs off, gets married outside of the faith, Starts a family. She then wishes to return to the church, but she will not be so easily welcomed back, but her child may be, under the care of someone who is in good standing with the church. I'm not claiming that happened here, there's no evidence of that at all. But while this is a unique case, it's a disturbingly familiar pattern.
Tbh i won’t be surprised if this is a human trafficking situation. If she didn’t kill him and he is alive, he probably is in a situation he can’t leave.
@jealous6434 and why would she even kill herself after her son gets kidnapped?? plus why would she write on her notebook that her son is safe and will be loved and taken care of by the kidnappers? Lol she 100% killed him and killed herself right after.
This is exactly why I don’t mess with caves… I may only be 18 as of right now, but when I was 12, we were in Thailand. And we were about to go into a cave by one of Thailands BEAUTIFUL cliffside beaches, there was a cave just around it, which we could basically travel through while people swimming could see us, We almost went in, so I immediately did NOT go in there, and made sure everyone knew, lucky I kept everyone out, because a stalagmite fell from the ceiling, and it absolutely could’ve pierced someone! Seriously guys, trust your gut! It will save lives
Tons of people have looked for his cave where he said it wasand there is no cave fitting the description. One belief was he ended his life. There was video footage from a store owned by a family member that was broken into and I think it was a tablet was what was taken, they went right for it and it looked like him. Believed he could have faked his death, either way the cave was a red herring. It's also in Nevada not far from area 51, there were nuclear tests in the dessert and radioactive things at area 51 I remember I believe a article about people that used to work there getting cancer from waste they dealt with years ago. In Nevada a cave that makes you feel weird when you get near it could be an old nuclear dumping ground and your getting hit with radiation making you feel weird
Wow, I think I just saw this ominous M-cave in the footage, right at 29:11min, without even being mentioned O.o! I have heard of this case before and did google it, but couldn`t find anything! Just now I noticed the camera shakingly film this cave entrance for a few secs, that looks an awful lot like an M, exactly as he discribed it! I´m pretty damn sure this is the entrance!
100% Alissa's dad killed her. If she didn't take her phone, used any money from her account, she's dead. The dad probably did it to keep her quiet about being inappropriate with her.
Molesting her* Not to be rude, it’s just I believe it’s harmful to try and avoid sensitive words like molest, rape, assault, etcetera as though there’s a stigma associated. Victims of those crimes (my own mom included) tend to have an easier time dealing with that kind of trauma when we’re not tiptoeing around and mincing our words. Some words or actions are triggering for some people, and each person with that trauma will have different triggers. Still, it’s better to say the quiet part out loud and let the victim(s) know where you stand as directly and bluntly as you can. The victims shouldn’t fear those words, the perpetrators should, and they do.
@@AlexPeace246 chill out. people don't use those words because youtube likes to censor comments that do. nobody is "tiptoeing" around calling a spade a spade because we're snowflakes.
Yts censorship is what keeps people from using such words...I've already received several warnings about my comments threatening to permanently delete my yt account 😮💨it's annoying how I have to listen to all the frigging bleeps on my favorite true crime yt channels.. 🙄@@AlexPeace246
- is nobody questioning why the church footage went out as soon as missy arrived? - really stupid of the da to get alissa’s family’s hopes up and waste everyone’s time on a case they knew they wouldn’t win - did relisha’s mother face charges? she lied to the school about tatum being a doctor, purposefully delaying the search for her
@@gladialle Yes, but he left out a lot of details and got things wrong. Some of the footage was released by the police, but it didn't just cut off. He left that out.
I agree. Her giving the exercise class at the church at early-ass in the morning was the only thing going on there, and if I recall correctly it was both new AND temporary at that location until their preferred spot opened back up. So it was not a crime of opportunity and coincidence: her killer knew she would be there, got there early, killed her, and knew enough about the goings on that they got out of there before any of her students got there. Now I personally believe that the detectives have to know who the killer is, because life just isn't that complicated in the suburbs, they just probably don't have the physical evidence or an alibi-breaking timestamp to be able to nail who did it...yet. Interesting side note, and possibly just to throw off internet detectives or to put the killer at ease with misdirection, I saw a whole line of speculation by the cops and their specialists arguing over whether the SWAT uniformed figure is a woman or a man. Two of the experts are sure that it's a woman, accounting for the weird gait and body motions. I don't know, either way.
@@JustinPogueYou would think the police would figure out the height of the person based on the security camera footage. Personally, I don't believe for one second that a female would try to kill another one with a hammer. And the way the person walks is SO unique-this case really should have been solved already.
@@JustinPogue AGREED ! I have heard they damn know it's Father-in-Law , who was obsessed with the poor girl , from the walk and his history with her but have nothing concrete ! I cannot imagine how it must eat them up inside to know but not be able to PROVE .
I felt my stomach drop when the subtitle: "found on an adult website" popped up. Genuinely truly hope that if Amy is still out there, still alive. That she isn't being exploited like that
@bluntslt8023 in the section where he was discussing that case, he mentioned, how, a number of years after her disappearance someone found the pictures of a prostitute on an adult website with a striking resemblance to her
So we're all in agreement that Michael killed Alissa right. Like there's no way in hell this shit is way to obvious that its a case of controlling perent more than likely abuse. The money qould have been taken out if she ran away
I live in the D.C. area, and this is the first time I’ve heard about the ways Relisha Rudd’s mother impeded the investigation into her daughter’s disappearance. Relisha had three younger brothers who were later placed in foster care, and one was adopted by another family. “Neglect” does not begin to describe the lives of these children.
I believe Amy Bradley rejected the advances of the creepy crew member and he pushed her overboard. Perhaps he talked her into taking a stroll on the deck late into the night or early morning hours, he made advances on her and when she refused a altercation ensued and he shoved her off the boat into the water.
that photo of the woman on the adult website really did look like her though... and the fact that multiple other people thought they saw her in trafficking situations... :/ to die so young because of some s*xually frustrated man is beyond horrible, but the thought that she might still be out there, forced to do horrible things against her will is somehow arguably even worse.
Cruises are so shady I used to want to go on one bc I love the ocean but since learning ab the shit people get up to on open waters, you couldn't PAY ME to go on one hell no
I truly believed she was sold into sex trafficking. There have been a couple credible sightings from tourists claiming to have seen a woman looking strikingly similar to Amy with two men. In one instance the woman told another woman in a bathroom that her name was Amy. There was another man who claimed to have seen Amy in a brothel years after (he was a navy seal i believe so didn’t want to come out about him being in a brothel) she told him she needed help and her name was Amy, she begged him to help her and he ended up leaving without her. Not to mention yellow making the remark to Amy’s brother that he was sorry about what happened to her before any ship wide announcement was made about her being missing. He definitely knows what happened to Amy. It’s very sad and I don’t think there will ever be closure to her case.
@@vivian5109but the guy who said he was Timothy really looked like him aged up as well and prior to dna he would have got away with it takes a lot of work to kidnap someone from a cruise ship and I feel the benefits/risk is nearly the same kidnapping regularly
*rolls eyes* "...same message I've always tried to give IT." 🙄 is right!! One can only assume the "it" Michael refers to is Alissa's corpse, which he killed.. "OBVIOUSLY!"
all of these cases have been passed around true crime youtube like candy, showing just how ridiculously oversaturated this market has become. still solid coverage.
True but in a way, at least with missing person cases or unsolved ones, it keeps the topic in mind Most cases get solved due to coverage so it's not too dissimilar to how Unsolved Mysteries helped with several cases Not 1:1 obviously but still. Plus, theres only so many cases to discuss, overlap WILL happen eventually
huh? And? These aren’t just stories for you to be entertained they’re UNSOLVED which means there are family members and friends who are still hurting but you’re throwing a hissy fit cause too many people are talking about them?
@@maxkproductions yes it does help. If you ask any of their family members they’d say they want people to never stop talking about them. You however have the choice to just click off and quit barking and whining at anything or everything 🫶🏽
For the M-Shaped Cave segment; Although it's not confirmed, it's been theorized that Kenny Veach took his own life in a place where his body wouldn't be discovered by the authorities. This is based on what he told his girlfriend when asked if he were to ever commit suicide, with him saying that if he did, they'll never find his body.
To me, that seems to be the most obvious answer. That video of him describing the M-shaped cave seems very much like he's setting up a goose chase. I thought that even without knowing about what he said to his girlfriend. The guy went out there to die. For God's sake, he even tried to justify bringing a gun with him.
@@Chishanniconokay but why? Statistically speaking, 🤓, most suicides are done in a manner where the person wants to be found. Also even more rare would be someone who makes their suicide a mystery. The girlfriend left a message on a video on here and it seemed really fishy. It all summed up everything so easily but there’s a few things that don’t makes sense. The not wanting to be found angle . The leaving a message that was nothing to do with a suicide note, his phone being found neatly placed. I feel Like something else happened.
@@TommymachineGunn Maybe he didn't want his family / fans to have actual confirmation that he was dead all along. His M-Cave story was probably made to give all of his loved ones a false possibility that he's still alive somewhere unknown to the rest of them.
@@TommymachineGunn I’d recommend watching the WhyFiles on UA-cam as they cover this in a segment really well with the facts as well as comparing videos from others’ possibly finding said cave location(s) via UA-cam videos. The ending speculation was that not only did he have a terminal illness, but his business had tanked and he lost the majority of his finances a few years before his disappearance. While it’s speculated he was confined or ended by the military of Area 51 for finding a hidden entrance to the facility or to an alien hideout, the consensus is still he end gamed himself for possible business ventures by his family for his mysterious disappearance story or possibly starting a new life somewhere (though the new life hypothesis was deemed unlikely yet still plausible for him by the end of the video)
Re: The Missy Bevers one... from what I read, she was having an affair and it actually could have been her father in law. Apparently "defending" his son. Alissa was 100% being groomed by the step dad. To go from secretly monitoring her every move to not reporting her missing for 5 days? Come on. The last one where the mother gave her kid to a janitor? What the actual f. And if the staff already knew he was dodgy, and surely they saw that he was favouring her... what were they thinking.
Missy Bevers - I have heard of this case before but never saw the footage of the "Dad" until now. After watching over side by side i can say this is 100% the same person. It's not just the gait, look at the body size/type The forward head posture is identical. Also his whole body movements are identical. the way he moves his arms while walking, his head movements. This is the same person in the video footage. compare video @9:01 vs @9:40 vs @11:24. Without knowing stuff about how he acted or whatever. I am totally convinced these are the exact same person. I know this isn't enough for police right now but maybe in the future the video clips can analyzed by AI and have a way to examine precise movements and compare to make a pattern analysis match. Maybe some day that will be admissible in court perhaps.
The husband is built just like his Dad. Any video exist of how the husband walks? He's got the same hump in his back between his shoulders, head thrust forward.
The interview with the father from the first story is heartbreaking. Waiting with no idea what happened to your son, holding onto hope he’s still alive and homeschooling somewhere in the middle of nowhere. Devastating
Yeah I really feel for him that's horrible. And the sister of the young girl who "disappeared" with the creepy step dad. She's been fighting for attention on her sister's case for 25 years now give or take. What a woman she is I'm really proud of her. I feel for all the victims families. Heartbreaking stuff
Relisha's so called mother sold that little girl to that fool. He gave her money and probably other incentives to let him be with her. Sad and sorry for that poor little Angel.
so.. her step dad did it right? i mean im not crazy am i? he is literally the dictionary definition of suspicious. Hell if he didnt do that he certainly is guilty of something else
@@scottshanahan3827 not going to defend a guy, but I once witnessed a story about a girl and her dad, and a girl literally called child services and told them that her dad molested her, dad was taken to custody and investigation was started, I will pretty much skip almost a several month back and forth into that investigation, but turns out, that guy daughter literally lied because her dad refused to buy her new stuff (like new phone, ipad, clothes) he is solo parent after all, so yeah, there was such cases with kids, but still, we cannot confirm nor we can deny that in this video old man is killed her, no proof or anything other than "ugh he such a creepy looking guy my gosh!".
@@RMX010 You sorry -@$$ed reasonable basterd...how DARE you demand solid evidence !...i so FEEEEEEEL this dude is guilty as sin!....😫....i CAN SMELL SIN on this dude!...i demand my emotional conclusions be honored!!!😡
Someone please tell me:"How a parent can tell his kid (step or not) that she's not welcomed at home?" A girl, teenager, unprotected outside home and hellish inside. People are cruel.
Cases like "Dr." Tatum make me scream. In my country, precisely in my city, a 10-year old girl went missing 3 years ago. She went to the store and never came back. Her brother was a school colleague of mine and I know he was so desparate to find answers. His grandfather, who was his sister's guardian, was acquitted as a suspect in a human trafficking ring. The girl has still not been found and her brother died an early death at only the age of 21. That family is experiencing more grief than anyone could imagine and it's just horrible when other family members are willing to sell their own blood and flesh to a lifetime of abuse. They are also a minority (Roma) and lived a hard life, desparation can bring man to do unspeakable deeds, but to sell your own child away... That I just can't get behind.
No, there is never any excuse for doing that. A marginally decent person may sell themselves for their children to eat, but never would never allow their child to be sold in order to eat themselves, or even feed their other children. Unfortunately selling and renting kids out is hardly new, and in Roma communities it's a plague, but it's not because of desperation.
That cruise ship story was dark. Very dark. I don’t like it. Most definitely it was some workers on the ship. Most likely they smuggled her off via some way or other. In a large trunk or bag. As I say: Evil is an opportunist. What goes around comes back around with a vengeance. Evil people should be more careful. The blood spilt may weigh more than a bad few years.
She could have easily been snuck off the ship when it was in port, that's why the family wanted the it stopped for the search. If not the crew someone in the band could also be involved as it was reported that one of the band members said to her father "sorry for your loss" or something along those lines.
Tbh I'd rather that she died on the ship and they got rid of her body at sea than her being alive and trafficked all these years. But whoever is responsible and whoever covered for them, I hope that cosmic justice doesn't forget them even if the human one does.
He called her an it then the look on his face when they said u want her home is soooo telling... he killed that girl for sure. He prob caught her stealin 300 or maybe he jus made it up but either way u can tell he's sooooo guilty it's insane
I often look forward to your uploads. I think too many UA-camrs fixate on volume and increasing uploads but your seldom schedule produces well made and well narrated videos. Keep up the good work.
11:46 that person has severe supination. Look at the angle of their feet. Their toes are pointed out, like his feet are flat. Probably wearing bad or old shoes.
her father wasn't just overprotective, wasn't even just overcontrolling her. he was sexually obsessed with her. the argument before she left was after his sexual advance towards her, she refused, then he confessed anyway that he's been having that feeling for so long. then she had enough and left. she didn't report it to the authority because she thought it's too embarrassing.
The first lady was the definition of selfish and evil. Not only did she abandon her family and murder their son, but she then leaves a cryptic note that will forever leave him with no closure
Kenny wasn’t saying that the cave actually vibrated lol. He clarifies later that it got his spidey senses tingling. That’s all he meant. He never ever said or implied that the cave itself was vibrating.
"He's somewhere safe with people who love him and who will take care of him, you will never find him" with added context has the same vibe as "he's in a better place now" which is to say, she murdered him and buried him in the woods, just to kill herself later. Unfortunately his blood on the car seat and the mud on the tires spell it out.
I count my blessings each time I watch a video like this. Not just because I haven't fallen victim myself, but that I haven't known anyone personally to have fallen victim either...I pray I never do. So horrifying to think of what happened to these people...
Timmothy is with God now. There is no way she left him with someone and then killed herself. Her husband would have been the best person for her to leave him with. She took his life so he wouldn’t suffer after her death. Its really sad that the dad has no closure. He actually believes he’s still alive. Poor guy. 😢✌🏻
That's not what happened at all. She killed him because she couldn't fathom not having or sharing something she considered hers, and she prefered to die than relinquish her son to the father even partly. At no point did any sort of love or consideration for her child enter this. She did this to spite her ex husband and leave him to deal with the emotional fallout knowing she caused him the greatest pain she could - that was enough for her to both kill her son and die over it.This has nothing to do with love. It is all possessiveness, spite and pride - which aptly is the mother of sins.
My assumption is she was going crazy and something told her that there will be people waiting for her son to take care of him, but only after she does that one step..
The person in the second case is a _White Female, 5'2-3", 37-43 yrs, _*_RELATED TO A COP._* There is another break down on this case in which a relationship of some sort (possibly platonic or equally as possible of a more intimate nature) with a senior member of the local police or county sheriff. The investigators keep bringing the investigation back to *HER* family and away from all other suspects. He father is clearly too tall to be the person on the security video.
I wonder if Alissa’s dad has a basement/man cave that only he can access. I’m not sure she’s still alive but being held captive by him is not exactly ridiculous to ponder.
For Kenny's story, I believe that none of the m-shaped cave or vibrations were real. I strongly think that he just went to a cave far away and took his life. This is further proven by him telling his girlfriend if he was to take his life he wouldn't be found. He also has had suicidal thoughts before and is diagnosed with depression. I think the story is just a suicide that was planned to ensure that he would never be found. Extra: I think he said it was an M shaped cave was to stand for mysterious and that the vibrations would lead others off his track. I don't think that there is any cave there in that mountain range that had the exact describtikn so that even if people checked every cave... he would never be found. I think his body is very deep in a cave.
@@Azazel2024 What makes her unbelievable? She obviously would know him pretty well. He also left that day without his camera and took his gun. He was depressed, and he was about to lose his home due to not being able to keep up with the payments. The M-Cave being real or not is beside the point. But many people have gone looking for it, and it's never been found. There are people still to this day who go out and look.
I watched another video where a guy found the exact spot Kenny claimed the cave was, and it looked like it had been filled in with more rocks. The vibrations he felt might have been dangerous natural gasses or something of that sort, which is why the cave had been filled in. The guy in the video later threw up several times, despite being a seasoned hiker himself.
How is it not the father? Not only is it the same gait, it's the same body type and slumped shoulders. Plus the footage of him walking into the church, he looks lost and shuffles around like a goon. Bet he got insurance money...
The guy shown in the video is really her father-in-law, rather than her own father, so I can't imagine he would be in line for any insurance money. Other than that agreed the rest seems very suspicious
They can't prove it as he has an alibi. The cops know it's him but with zero evidence and a strong alibi they wouldn't get a conviction so the DA won't pursue it.
I've watched a whole thing about Alissa Turney and I agree that it's *really obvious* he probably killed her but also that there's too much reasonable doubt to convict him. I actually wonder if the case could be a coincidence - like, odds are some of these mysteries where one friend or relative was REALLY creepy have to have just been coincidences. Michael was super creepy but perhaps Alissa really did just storm off to cool her head and some unrelated person took her. So Michael looks like an obvious suspect with no real proof but some totally random stranger actually killed her.
I wonder that sometimes too, as unlikely as it is stranger things have happened. Tho, the other reply is right, he’s definitely not innocent of hurting her either way.
It's be a satanic coincidence....not that such things haven't happened. It's hair-pullingly enraging when the situation is so clear and yet so inadequately proven for the law, but it truly serves to show why often the law is so reluctant to pursue charges.I'm definitely sure he either was harming her, or he very soon intended to do so. That he referred to her as "it" in that snippet, though, is repulsive, and I think it points strongly to him having done it and gotten away with.
you are probably my favorite youtuber at the moment. your videos are so well done and researched i really appreciate what you do. this one is a hard watch though, cried within the first ten minutes. true crime fascinates me but the ones involving kids are just so sad.
also im one of your few female subscribers lol. i saw that you commented on one of your videos that only like 5% of viewers were female lmao. women can like this shit too 😭
@@courtneyatkinson5398 I know a lot of users have their genders at "prefer not to say" or didn't care and have them on male. Ik my sister has her account on male, despite being female.
6:00 did they ever get an investigator who could match handwritings? What if that note wasn’t written by the mom and she was being blackmailed or she didn’t commit suicide. And this person took the boy.
Number 2 is so intriguing. What an absolutely bizarre setup, why would someone be wearing that getup to commit crime. Is it a costume or legit SWAT gear? If the latter, how did they acquire it? Clearly they aren't in a stable mental state. So eerie.
I’ve heard that wearing one distinct article of clothing is a good way to keep witnesses from remembering the perpetrator’s face. The eyes go to the garment that is easily discarded. There’s a realtor in Canada that was murdered at a house showing. Witnesses describe a woman wearing an unusual skirt getting into a car near the house but they don’t describe much else.
1) manic episode, she definitely killed him before killing herself, the fact that they found his blood is solid proof because it shows she hurt him in some way. If she was capable to hurt him why wouldn’t she be capable of taking his life? It’s so obvious
The most logical explanation for what happened to Kenny is that he entered the 'M' cave, it was vibrating because it was on the brink of collapse. It collapsed while he was inside, trapping him. Because it collapsed, nobody can find the 'M' because there is no longer an 'M'.
I clicked on this video hoping to be disturbed. You delivered in your first sentence when you mentioned my home town of Aurora, Illinois. You are the absolute opposite of clickbate. Take my subscription
I live in Midlothian and had just graduated when Missy was murdered. Everyone in the town still talks about the case. There are so many theories that fly around regularly. I do personally believe that the police have more info than they're leading on, but there's just not enough to get an arrest or conviction. I hope her kids are doing okay.
Amy Lynn Bradley most likely fell over the side of a cruise ship and drowned. When you strip back all of the sensationalism behind the story, the obvious answer is most likely. Thinking she was trafficked, as is common, is a gross misunderstanding of how those rings actually work. I'm sorry, but I don't care how much of a "strong swimmer" you are, you cannot survive falling that high into freezing cold water off a cruise ship.
@@Azazel2024 Well can you provide me with recent cases of people being kidnapped and sold into human trafficking where the victim doesn't know the trafficker beforehand?
@@heatherreader So can you provide any examples of this? Or just say "it happens". The point isn't that human trafficking doesn't occur it's that it's rarely an abduction.
The murderous SCUMBAG ..So visibly bored and annoyed that anyone would care about that " It" . Clearly a THING he used and then , when IT fought to get away frm him , threw away .
Alissa’s case reminds me so much of Aundria Bowman, her foster dad killed her and told the entire family she ran away but in reality he killed, dismembered and hid her body in a barrel for years til they had to move.. he then moved the barrel to the other house and kept it there for 10 years (i think). It’s insane how similar the cases are and how Michael wasn’t immediately arrested. It’s heartbreaking that Alissa hasn’t gotten the justice she deserves when it’s so, so clear.
Ok so here’s my theory on the Timothy part: I think Amy definitely 100% killed Timothy and by saying he was safe in the suicide note, what she really meant is that he was already dead and in heaven. I also think this because the school staff said it felt off when she picked him up early, so she might have been planning this from the start. She might have taken him to all those fun places so he could have fun/be happy before she killed him and then killed herself. It seems like one of those cases where the parent plans on taking their own life but also takes the life of their child because they are unsure what will happen to them or feel like they are the only one who can take the best care of them.
28:45 _Kenny was an idiot. Just going into the Mojave Desert by yourself is already a very foolhardy thing too do. But Some of those mines are very very old and those shafts are very old oil drilling rigs afrom the 1800's, the integrity of those shafts are very very dangerous. His remains are probably at the bottom of one of those shafts._
only idiotic if you're afraid. Some people have balls and push the envelope so fat little online trolls can benefit from the confort of their basement.
Amy clearly fell overboard. The family was in denial. Whether she fell on her own by being drunk or she got pushed after an assault but its what makes the most sense. Thats why she left her shoes on the boat she fell over board late at night
We’ll never know. There’s a good chance that is exactly what happened, but even so, you can’t say that she ‘clearly fell overboard’ as there’s no definitive evidence one way or the other.
That's honestly a preferable explanation but I'm confused. Then what about those sightings of her and the pic of the woman who looked like her with the same tattoo?
@@brandonkite4414it’s an image of someone who resembles amy, dude in number 2 who faked being the guys son did look like an aged up version of the kid but dna proved it false I mean just play out the kidnapping so evil seal team six waited on the dock by ocean for hours hoping a cruise ship came by at night they were able to somehow board the cruiser find a pretty girl alone got her off the boat and into there boat and back to their facility where they trafficked her or she fell or was pushed of a boat 🤷♂️
i had to just stop after the third one, not because it's a bad video or anything, i've just been watching way too much depressing content. i really need more positivity in my life...
I knew Kenny. I met him in Montana roughly a year before he disappeared. There are so many people missing in mine shafts and caves in the Nevada desert. Every once in a while I think of him, and try not to let my mind wander to ‘the hills have eyes’ scenarios.
i'm glad to see more attention on alissa turney's case. i became aware of her disappearance after her sister started to ask for help solving the case on tiktok a couple years ago
Lori Vallow, the recent famous case of the woman who killed her 2 children, had also insisted early on when they were still considered missing that they were with friends and in a safe place. For those who don't know, the kids were found buried in her new husband's backyard.
As far as Missy Beavers her killer was about 5'5 or 5'6. He father is much taller than that. The killer has a prosthetic leg I'm thinking. That could be the reason for the strange gait. Where is the outside security camera footage?
Woah, woah, woah… I saved this video to watch weeks ago, and you open with “Aurora Illinois”… where I live, and have lived my entire life. Midwest truly is a crazy place
That is totally Missy’s dad. The posture of the forward leaning head, the way he walks with his feet turned out and his gait leads with hours knees. But why? How could a parent ever harm their own kid?
No lot of people walk that way. It just shows bring off balance. Which in bad boots and wearing of heavy uniform you would expect. Gait is not an acceptable form of identification.
@ actually, there have been identification leaning to convictions based on unique posture, body type, and unusual gait. I do get what you’re saying about wearing heavy equipment, but other that his tactical vest, can we tell whether he’s carrying heavy tools,I couldn’t tell? But it’s even the way his hips and feet are turned out that it’s the same between the perp and the dad, I’ve not seen people wearing heavy equipment to walk turned out like that. Thoughts?
@ one there have been many convictions on really bad science and poor evidence doesn’t make them correct Two, the gait we see here is not in any way unique. Like I get not everyone spends time around people over 50 and 50 pounds over bmi but When your off balance you make those kind of corrections when you walk almost anyone at that size does it. (Unless you have large amount strength and posture which you lose with age) the dad does it because of his weight, age, and most likely injuries to his knees. he is also doing half steps as he approach’s the door to time it so he doesn’t invade the personal space of the group in front of him. The perp was most likely doing it due to the shoes not fitting correctly and just general uncomfortableness in that uniform, may also be overweight as well. It also odd that the footage cuts when it does if you found a way to cut the feed why leave in your weird building walk, he also had to sneak up to her (because even if she knows you she is not going to recognize you in that outfit), and then fight a fitness instructor.
Case one happened on my birthday. I had a less tragic, but similar turn of events in the way my mother avoided my amazing father and blocked my from him. That poor kid. Unsure of everything, feeling he probably had no one but that sick fuck. It just hits close
the third case with the dad, i didnt even need to hear the rest, i immediately knew that the dad was a creep. How uncomfortable she seems in the video he takes of her, really chilling.
The story of Alissa turney is so close to me because i was born on the day she disappeared. 5/17/01 is my birthday and I know the ins and outs of her case. Her step father 100,000% ended her.
cases like alissa's make me hate the "innocent until proven guilty" rule. i know how important it is objectively, but i wish there was some way to make exceptions in cases like this where there the answer to the crime is so blatantly obvious but impossible to prove.
The one about Alyssa is so messed up - there's a home movie the Dad made where Alyssa says something like "Yeah Dad's a pervert" and he tells her to shut her mouth or shut up.
Desert guy was eaten by the mountain lion who most likely lived in that cave. Prob had cubs on his second arrival which = him being drug into a cave and eaten. Mountain lions are nasty.
my 9th video - comment what you liked and disliked about this one. thanks for watching and subbing and liking
I hope you do more iceberg videos soon!
Your growing fast
Video is interesting, but the music in the 1st case is aweful!(😵💫)
I liked the lack of generic stock footage that usually plagues these types of videos. Keep up the good work!
i disliked how none of them were solved
Timothy is clearly not alive. The blood in the car that is his, the car being in muddy grass area, her cryptic note and in all these years no one or Timothy has come forward saying they have him, he was murdered a few days before she took her life
They have proven the blood in the car was from a nose bleed. There is no evidence to suggest that he was hurt. From an aurora resident here
@@aaronmorris409how in gods name would you be able to prove the blood was from a nose bleed. And who’s to say the nose bleed isn’t from him being beaten to death?
@@Flawashingtoneasily. You look at the sample under a microscope snd examine for nasal epithelium. That and i believed the father corroborated that the blood may have come from a nosebleed
@@FlawashingtonAlthough I don’t agree with him, it can be possible to detect blood from the nose as it can contain contaminants commonly found within the nose.
It was probably an "accident" or at least wasn't consciously trying to gameend him. Probably realized her mistake and left that note to leave them with hope before deciding her own fate. Kid definitely is not just "out there somewhere" tho
Dude calling CPS, out of the blue, to warn them that if his daughter accuses him of molesting her that she's lying is wildly insane.
the fact that him doing that didn't IMMEDIATELY trigger an investigation is infuriating.
There are some crazy females out there. My son's mom made up a big lie and even had her neighbors take part in the lie.
I haven't watched this yet but people speculating is sometimes the worse thing people could do.
@@GBody-sn5ok okay but dont you think Alyssas dad is being way overprotective. its just crazy.
@@GBody-sn5okwhy are you saying female instead of woman ?
Are you one of those woke dum dums? It seems like it! I'll just refer to you as a 8*+**! How's that? Better? @Djpony5000
If you ask me, Timothy "being with people who will care for him" i am 100% certain is her way of saying hes "with The Lord" (as in she killed him) without admitting it
Ive seen too many cases similar to this to not automatically assume thats sadly the probable end result. Id love to be wrong one day though
I think you're spot on, I don't think someone who's "on the road" for days has someone they trust that far out. I also think they went through her phone records,internet history ect. If he was with someone she "trusted" there would be a trail leading to Timmothy. I would love to hold out hope but I doubt it at this point.
I don't blame the family at all for hoping that he's just with some friend of the mother's they don't know, but I also believe she just meant he's with angels or God or whatever. I wish we could find out what on earth was happening - I don't remember in a longer recount of that story them saying the mother had anything mental happening that anyone knew about. Her just randomly taking off with there being no apparent domestic issues and ending herself and probably the son is really weird. Like maybe she had psychosis and was just really good at masking it, and we'll never know.
Unfortunately, I believe you’re right. I don’t blame his family for having hope, especially for this long, but I feel like the way Timothy’s mom worded it alluded to the fact that she killed him without outright saying it.
@MephistonCalistarius you know that's a really good point....if she'd made arrangements for Timothy to be given to someone there would be a trail. Unless she corresponded with someone thru mail. But that is unlikely. I believe the same. She must've completely broke to hurt her son, the one person she loved the most. I guarantee also....her taking his life had more to do with her not wanting to be without him, than her husband was abusing him. She prolly thought that if she killed him they'd be together in the afterlife. She likely dumped him in a big body of water. It would have 2 be somewhere she was familiar with. Or some extremely secluded place where his body wouldn't be found. Also why she didn't just have him with her...in other words...why kill him in a completely separate place? I mean she wouldn't be worried about being reprimanded, she's dead. Maybe she didn't want their family to think badly of her.
In any case, you can't make out any rational Behavior from a person that is displaying nothing but irrational behavior.
There was blood on the seat too
The fact that the father in the third case was known as an overbearingly protective father who would even go as far as bother his daughter at her job, yet he didnt notify police immediately after her disappearance is pretty telling evidence that he knows whats up. Even if you assumed he is innocent, him breaking so out of character is very suspicious. Im pretty sure he was the one who killed her, probably because he might have started having a hard time controlling his victim or covering up what hes been doing
No evidence whatsoever judge yourself before judging others!
@@mussydesign7933 Where there's smoke, there's fire. You think his behaviour as a Dad was normal, no. His story was weak and makes no sense. He did it, the police/lawyers just couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Just because he was acquitted doesn't mean he's not guilty.
@@GlenviewNo1TRUE FACTS 💯
@@GlenviewNo1 Were the Keystone Cops investigating this guy -- how do miss a layup this easy
Also he was a "step dad" So technically had no biological connection to her.
There's something behinf Michaels eyes that just gives me chills. Its like he's holding back laughter or definitely the knowledge of Alissa's passing. Its so disheartening that you can see it in him yet, no evidence.
This is a very well done video by the way!
Agreed. Especially when he got out of prison and the interviewer asked him any messages for Alissa’s and his long pause and saying I love you and not come back home….. like he knew she wouldn’t be coming home
Alissa's father's behavior is textbook sexual/ abuser father enraged that his victim is breaking free .
I agree.
he defiantly killed her
It's really disheartening and unfair, but it's also necessary for people to see what happens when a case is opened without concrete proof. I don't know if there were mistakes in the original investigation (like, didn't they have sufficient evidence to at least grill the father originally? Or did they do and he didn't say anything? In any case I think they had enough cause for a warrant to search his house), or whether no adequate evidence was found, but I don't even know if there is sufficient cause in the future whether they can even charge him with the same charge. But the girl's sister Sarah is a trooper. Mad respect.
can we not skip over how genuinely terrifying the second one is. random guy breaks into a church at THREE AM, in strange swat gear, decides to wander around and break things with his disgusting walk, and as soon as the girl arrives all of the security tapes are cut? like this is actually something out of a horror movie, imagine how horrifying it was for her to discover some random in the church that early in the morning with swat gear on, not knowing she was about to be murdered.
Totally creeped me out too
I’m also questioning Why did she go to the church at 3:40am? Did she have something to do there? Because it’s either a trap, or there’s a possibility she went there with an intention for getting in danger. Although I absolutely doubt it, something seems wrong, for someone to go into a church at 3am, then ANOTHER person go into that same church 40 minutes later.
Another confusing part about the case. The person in the SWAT gear, had a clear way of moving around, not just like they didn’t know the layout, but almost walking into walls, disoriented, almost tripping, the murderer could not have been stable, whether it be drunk, high, mentally ill or anything else, but there’s NO WAY that person was thinking straight!
I've heard on other channels that he's a local security guard known to own that gear but people are too scared of him to investigate.
@@edensarnelli9373 She went early because she taught early-morning classes, and she liked to set up and be ready early, iirc from another video I watched on this case. Like she was just that kind of person who was organized and early for everything.
@@bluesonicstreak7317 ah, fair enough. 4 in the morning still seems a tad bit early but I guess her reasoning is valid now
3rd story: He 100% was grooming and m*lesting her. This kind of thing actually happens a lot, sadly. A parent/step-parent will groom a kid/kids. As they get older, they often learn that what's happening to them is wrong, and the likelihood of them telling someone rises. This is usually when the child will "mysteriously disappear".
Yea her dad was 100% a pedophile
100% it's a shame investigators didn't look into him further
He was also super possessive of her, and she was aging out of that being able to continue.
it happens a lot in az, also likely what happened to lizzy borden and her sister.
Yup the camera facing the couch was to see if she was doing anything of any nature on that couch that is so gross
In regards to Alissa, things that werent mentioned. 1) the surveillance cameras were always recorded on vhs tapes. The tape of the day she was missing was never found
2) he also bugged the phones and recorded them. He claims she called from a California number on May 24th 2001. She swore at him then hung up. The recording device was turned off on that evening. It’s seriously insane that this pile of shit got away with it. Hope i meet him one day
It reminds me a lot of the Josef Fritzl case. Alissa may still be alive but in a very bad place.
@@bnhik Michael seems bat shit crazy enough to pull a Joseph Fritzel
Why do you hope to meet him, so you can say "Hey I met that murderer one time." Not like you would do anything, at least I hope you wouldn't or you would also be a murderer. See how that works?
@@SasquatchHDI think they were inferring that they want to beat the shit out of him
Hopefully it won’t be in hell
22:34 100% he did it, his facial expression said it all, there just wasn't enough evidence. The way he speak about her is alarming
One thing that bothered me is when he said: "The same message I've always tried to give IT" what "it" is he reffering to? I think he slipped up there and referred to her as it, which would just solidify that he has no love, empathy or remorse for her. Or even more disturbingly because he knows she's dead and thinks of a body, not a person, so therefore he says "it".
Oh yah he absolutely did!! I can't believe the Police did nothing about it -- totally insane!!!
exactly and the way his eyes dropped when the lady asked him 'you want her to come home'. Its so shocking and its clearly him that did it . evil b**tard
He looked like he was more angry at the fact that “it” [as he labeled his daughter (the old bastard)] got him sent to jail.
U tell in his eyes hes rotten to the core
@@Vakrios i did NOT read ur reply 😂. Mb 😂 my thoughts exactly.
The father contacting CPS out of the blue to tell them that if his daughter were to call them and report being inappropriately touched by him that they should ignore it should’ve been a huge red flag to CPS. That alone should’ve warranted an investigation. Did no one there think that that was incredibly suspicious?
@@Boyso5407 ive read a good amount about this and surprisingly this is the first time i heard that. Tbh it makes me wonder if its true cuz like u said, i dont see how child protective wouldn’t investigate
@@connorstebbins23961) The ones that TRULY care are understaffed/underpaid/overworked. 2) A few of them are in it for the paycheck! As a mom, my radar would spike, most likely to face government bureaucracy/red tape! Side note, might you be related to a Stebbins family in Michigan? There's an open case there, with someone with that name. 😔
I know!!! I can't believe they let him get away with that AND Murder -- totally insane!!
@@connorstebbins2396Sarah Turney has a UA-cam channel to spread her sister Alissa's story, trying to get justice for for her. & the first time i heard that particular detail was just 2 days ago, when i found her channel & started binging her long form content... That man is terrifyingly awful, i can't imagine what its even like to learn your dad is 🤢 like him
4 MY guess,it will be that,there's either-A,a deep corruption hence his release and,"incompetence ",or,B,just that he's just too old to be a IMMEDIATE threat to anybody so,they just didn't give his victim the proper respect hence,once again,incompetence...👏
The stepfather for sure had something to do with Alissa, so frustrating he's getting away with it.
Yah he killed her -- what a creepy asshole -- he probably Molested her too... What a sicko!!
AND likely to be PAID FOR IT !!!!
Her half sister has podcast I believe the father had been convicted of her murder but not 100% sure
@@StevenDarvill-nv4ez That's why so many cases don't go to trial. The consequences of an acquittal on such circumstantial evidence are more than the suspect not going to jail. The question is whether more evidence could have been acquired at the beginning of the investigation. In any case I hope that POS get its from somewhere before he dies. Her sister is an admirable woman.
Although I be a bad man in my own sight, I don't like the thought of these types of things happening. (Someone suddenly dying and all signs point to foul play, yet no one can touch the one/s blatantly seen as responsible by many) No one ever has or ever will getaway with any wrong. Not me. Not you. Not her dad. I have no daughter, or step children. If I ever do, it will be because I willingly chose to. Meaning I will have dedicated myself to providing and protecting at any/all cost to my self. What if your father/stepfather treated you so awful? How would you feel? Hurt? Inadequate word I believe. Frustrated/ enraged/hopeless? Betrayed? 💔 Justice doesn't mean anything earthly to me. Justice is what we will all face when we die the first death. How will you fare? I myself am a wretched sinner. Even so, Glory be to God. For whatever He Judges to do that is good in his own sight, then it is Righteous. Yeah. That guy will not escape what he did, and no allegedly or patty cake acquittal mortal court frilly trimmings will be involved. For we all will face The Lord of Host's, The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The same God who gave David victory over Goliath. My God. Who I have failed, and who I have sinned against. Don't fear anything else other than God's Might. For no other power reaches The Allmighty
So, the mystery with Kenny. It is speculated that he committed suicide. His girlfriend at the time has come out and said that she believes as much as he left that day without his usual hiking stuff, he didn't bring his camera to record, that he was very depressed lately and especially so at the time. I, personally, think this is the most likely answer to what happened to Kenny.
Which is really sad, I hope he found peace in his last moments and wherever he is that he is also at peace.
That is my understanding as well, and I too believe this is the most likely answer.
There’s actually new evidence on Kenny !!! I recommend go checking it out .
Personally, I believe something horrible happened to him. Things hissed at him, as he (against his own better Judgment) walked further into a forbidden place, passing ancient ruins, caves, glowing eyes peering from cloaked creatures, and disturbing screenshots (if you care to be thorough) of inhuman.....(Reptilianish?? Non humanoid things?? Of various form...and a few humanoid one that were all invisible, except for the eyes. Why did he tremble with terror yet STILL ignore God's warning?? That's what terror is. Survival software, pre-installed. Some call it fight or flight. I call it the Cold chill on the spine, hair raising dread of imminent death. Thank you God for I would have been dead more than several times if not for you giving me that unmistakable feeling.
@@Syst3m__gl1tch , thank you. I will look for it.
@Syst3m__gl1tch whats the new evidence?
I can't even imagine how difficult it must be waiting to find your son for so many years after all that happened during Timothy's disappearance and the mystery surrounding it. The note really adds to the tension because you can only hope it's just partially, that he is indeed safe but not the part stating "you'll never find him".
The note is just a distraction, though. Why would the note matter? What, are we seriously saying her words should be trusted? "Well, she didn't say she hurt him, so that must mean she didn't." C'mon. We're not in Kindergarten. The note isn't truthful or helpful, and there is no reason anyone should expect it to be. Anyone can write a note and say literally whatever they want to say on the note, and it doesn't reflect anything about anything.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 Notes convey information. There. That’s why.
@@axokrotus343 This does not answer my question. An appropriate way to attempt to answer the question "Why does the note matter?" is to say "It matters because X being true about the note implies Y being true about reality." The problem here is, as I have pointed out, and which you have completely ignored, that the contents of the note are untrustworthy. If they are untrustworthy, then they are also irrelevant to the investigation, as no further conclusions about the facts of the case can be drawn.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 Obviously her word was not trusted 100 percent but they did not find a body or a trace of the boy, thats why the hope he is still out there is still big
@ I understand that they did not find the body of the boy, but this does not change the way the laws of probability work, nor does it change the facts we know to be true about human beings in general. The mindset "no body was found, so he must be alive" is extremely naïve, and extremely irresponsible on the part of the investigative authorities, given the evidence. One does not need a Ph.D. in forensics to understand something so basic. Now, look, is it _technically possible_ he is still alive even today? Well, yes, of course it is, but possibility does not matter here. What matters is probability. If possibility were what mattered, then no one would be convicted of crimes ever.
the fact that Timothy’s dad is still under a guise that he is alive seems like purely a survival tactic for his brain. There’s very little logic in that thought process. very sad
I rarely cry watching these but man that part is so sad...
It's not about him having little logic it's his coping mechanism no parent wants to lose their child and don't want to assume the worst when something bad happens
So sad
He stated it in the video. It's "Hope" . Too many people give up too easily. Props to this man for not giving up. Never give up until you have closure.
@@reaver_7thats literally what he said in his first sentence jesus christ.
I lived in Aurora IL when Timmothy went missing. The ENTIRE CITY was PLASTERED with missing posters and signs. It was really sad. I was SO happy when he was "Found" but so SO sad when it was just a thief and con-artist.
I remember the con-artist. It's a sad story. The person is a poop for that.
I’m in platteville wi rn but I’m from wheeling IL even here when he did we had posters too and platteville is 1.5 hours from Rockford what I learned about south western WI even the rural areas outside of Rockford and Beloit is that it has a ton of closed off Amish community’s Grant,Lafayette,Green, and western Rock have a lot of them
Kinda wish you would have included in Kenny's case that his girlfriend made a post about how Kenny had a terminal illness and was struggling with his mental health, and that she genuinely believed that he went out in the dessert with no intention of coming back.
Apparently he had tried to end his life prior, and his behaviour was very reminiscent of that. This is a major aspect of the case, and should have been included.
that guy never came back????? i remember him going out.
I was hoping that would’ve been mentioned also!
I read her reply and no where did it mention a terminal illness
The girl Amy that went missing on the cruise ship is terrifying, I have heard this story different times now and no matter how you hear it, the story is absolutely crazy
Like how did the parents even come across the adult film anyway? That weird AF
@@thomasfoley9564 it was sent to them over an email. The sender said they found it on an escort site. Why that person was on that site and who that person was, I have no idea.
The fact that Michael was so overprotective before Alissa's disappearance and that immediately evaporated after makes it so obvious that he was involved. It always horrifies me that the police just completely wrote Alissa off, basically entirely based on his words. Pure evil.
Probably has/had her locked up somewhere and if so, him being in custody would have led to her death IF she was. So either way, she is gone now. If he did kill her, he is smart enough to still use present tense ''I love her'' not ''I loved her''
@@tbct4619 as a matter of fact, if you pay close attentions to his words 22:44 he (i want to say accidentally but he could actually be that disgusting) referred to her as an “it”.
My take from this was that he was holding a grudge that “it” (his daughter) got him sent to jail.
Then he caught himself and said: “that i love her”
What piece of sht referrers to their kid as an “it”???
@@BonitoBeatzisMe wow I didn't notice that, but still he used her in present tense, dude is a psycho
Dude. What are the police supposed to do when there are no evidence? Old people especially are prone to personality changes. There isn't something that proves he did anything. That's how the court works, otherwise anyone who messes up a bit while talking to the police or publicy, even if they were innocent would be locked up.
Yes, you are right
1)
- I believe that "Timothy will be cared for by caring people" means that he's probably in heaven.
- The blood in the car
- Having evidence that they drove in dirt road
I feel sorry for the father, cuz he wasn't getting a conclusive answer of the fate of his son
4)
The human trafficing is so tragic & disgusting
5)
The M-shaped cave story. The M stands for MYSTERIOUS
Yeah I thought about the heaven part too, caring people probably means angels
The M shaped cave is best covered by TheWhyFiles.
Agree as awful as it is
I feel like some people forced her to do what she did. I feel she took him to special places for him to have a better ending. She couldn’t beat the guilt so she did that…
For story #1, there are similar cases where a mother abducts the child to conceal a case of false paternity from infidelity. It may be wishful thinking considering the blood evidence, but there may be a scenario in which he was given over to his paternal family (her affair partner) to prevent the truth of his patronage from getting out. Suicide isn't a far leap from there. One final secret to take to the grave.
I only mention this because it happens often (to a less dramatic extent) with insular religious or ethnic communities. Example: Mom leaves the Latter Day Saints (those people are nuts), runs off, gets married outside of the faith, Starts a family. She then wishes to return to the church, but she will not be so easily welcomed back, but her child may be, under the care of someone who is in good standing with the church.
I'm not claiming that happened here, there's no evidence of that at all. But while this is a unique case, it's a disturbingly familiar pattern.
Dude, Amy killed Timothy. Like, no brainer, as much as it sucks to admit. She was a monster who killed her child and then herself.
How if Amy was on a cruise ship
Tbh i won’t be surprised if this is a human trafficking situation. If she didn’t kill him and he is alive, he probably is in a situation he can’t leave.
@jealous6434 and why would she even kill herself after her son gets kidnapped?? plus why would she write on her notebook that her son is safe and will be loved and taken care of by the kidnappers? Lol she 100% killed him and killed herself right after.
@@saloteataatayou're mixing up cases
@@theservant2419 my point is that she might have GIVEN him to someone who is a human trafficker my guy, not that he got kidnapped 😭.
When your body vibrates in front of a cave entrance, it means your survival instinct is kicking in. Don't push your luck.
that can also be perimeter defense
This is exactly why I don’t mess with caves…
I may only be 18 as of right now, but when I was 12, we were in Thailand. And we were about to go into a cave by one of Thailands BEAUTIFUL cliffside beaches, there was a cave just around it, which we could basically travel through while people swimming could see us, We almost went in, so I immediately did NOT go in there, and made sure everyone knew, lucky I kept everyone out, because a stalagmite fell from the ceiling, and it absolutely could’ve pierced someone!
Seriously guys, trust your gut! It will save lives
Tons of people have looked for his cave where he said it wasand there is no cave fitting the description. One belief was he ended his life. There was video footage from a store owned by a family member that was broken into and I think it was a tablet was what was taken, they went right for it and it looked like him. Believed he could have faked his death, either way the cave was a red herring. It's also in Nevada not far from area 51, there were nuclear tests in the dessert and radioactive things at area 51 I remember I believe a article about people that used to work there getting cancer from waste they dealt with years ago. In Nevada a cave that makes you feel weird when you get near it could be an old nuclear dumping ground and your getting hit with radiation making you feel weird
@@edensarnelli9373man you really save those people good job!
Wow, I think I just saw this ominous M-cave in the footage, right at 29:11min, without even being mentioned O.o! I have heard of this case before and did google it, but couldn`t find anything! Just now I noticed the camera shakingly film this cave entrance for a few secs, that looks an awful lot like an M, exactly as he discribed it! I´m pretty damn sure this is the entrance!
100% Alissa's dad killed her. If she didn't take her phone, used any money from her account, she's dead. The dad probably did it to keep her quiet about being inappropriate with her.
Molesting her* Not to be rude, it’s just I believe it’s harmful to try and avoid sensitive words like molest, rape, assault, etcetera as though there’s a stigma associated. Victims of those crimes (my own mom included) tend to have an easier time dealing with that kind of trauma when we’re not tiptoeing around and mincing our words. Some words or actions are triggering for some people, and each person with that trauma will have different triggers. Still, it’s better to say the quiet part out loud and let the victim(s) know where you stand as directly and bluntly as you can.
The victims shouldn’t fear those words, the perpetrators should, and they do.
@@AlexPeace246 chill out. people don't use those words because youtube likes to censor comments that do. nobody is "tiptoeing" around calling a spade a spade because we're snowflakes.
Well blame yt for forcing some of us who aren't afraid to say exactly what it is to be snowflakes. @@AlexPeace246
Yts censorship is what keeps people from using such words...I've already received several warnings about my comments threatening to permanently delete my yt account 😮💨it's annoying how I have to listen to all the frigging bleeps on my favorite true crime yt channels.. 🙄@@AlexPeace246
- is nobody questioning why the church footage went out as soon as missy arrived?
- really stupid of the da to get alissa’s family’s hopes up and waste everyone’s time on a case they knew they wouldn’t win
- did relisha’s mother face charges? she lied to the school about tatum being a doctor, purposefully delaying the search for her
The church footage probably didn’t go out, the authorities probably cut it so the public wouldn’t see the murder happening I guess?
the footage didn't go out. It just didnt show the areas where the murder took place.
@@rileymatthews9161 he said the camera footage ended. that implies there is no more footage from that point.
@@gladialle he ment that's all we as the public have there's some more footage but it's not been leaked to the public
@@gladialle Yes, but he left out a lot of details and got things wrong. Some of the footage was released by the police, but it didn't just cut off. He left that out.
Missy was being stalked. That goofy-walking turd knew her schedule and was waiting for her. What a coward. 😢
BASTARD
I agree. Her giving the exercise class at the church at early-ass in the morning was the only thing going on there, and if I recall correctly it was both new AND temporary at that location until their preferred spot opened back up. So it was not a crime of opportunity and coincidence: her killer knew she would be there, got there early, killed her, and knew enough about the goings on that they got out of there before any of her students got there. Now I personally believe that the detectives have to know who the killer is, because life just isn't that complicated in the suburbs, they just probably don't have the physical evidence or an alibi-breaking timestamp to be able to nail who did it...yet.
Interesting side note, and possibly just to throw off internet detectives or to put the killer at ease with misdirection, I saw a whole line of speculation by the cops and their specialists arguing over whether the SWAT uniformed figure is a woman or a man. Two of the experts are sure that it's a woman, accounting for the weird gait and body motions. I don't know, either way.
@@JustinPogueYou would think the police would figure out the height of the person based on the security camera footage. Personally, I don't believe for one second that a female would try to kill another one with a hammer. And the way the person walks is SO unique-this case really should have been solved already.
@@tvav69 - The walk identifies hin as her Father-in-Law I have heard !
@@JustinPogue AGREED ! I have heard they damn know it's Father-in-Law , who was obsessed with the poor girl , from the walk and his history with her but have nothing concrete ! I cannot imagine how it must eat them up inside to know but not be able to PROVE .
I felt my stomach drop when the subtitle: "found on an adult website" popped up. Genuinely truly hope that if Amy is still out there, still alive. That she isn't being exploited like that
Facts I was wondering why it said that
@bluntslt8023 in the section where he was discussing that case, he mentioned, how, a number of years after her disappearance someone found the pictures of a prostitute on an adult website with a striking resemblance to her
So we're all in agreement that Michael killed Alissa right. Like there's no way in hell this shit is way to obvious that its a case of controlling perent more than likely abuse. The money qould have been taken out if she ran away
I agree he's guilty but I dont believe he killed her immediately. I believe he abused her for many years and then killed her when it was convenient.
yes. unfortunately americas “justice” system is more about theatrics than actual justice
Trust me we all agree, the step father is a monster that should be locked up for life
I live in the D.C. area, and this is the first time I’ve heard about the ways Relisha Rudd’s mother impeded the investigation into her daughter’s disappearance. Relisha had three younger brothers who were later placed in foster care, and one was adopted by another family. “Neglect” does not begin to describe the lives of these children.
alissa turny’s sister has a podcast about the case. she believes her dad did it. it’s called “voices for justice”
Your level of production for only 9 videos so far is incredible, keep it up :)
Even tho every single one of them have been covered several times before
I believe Amy Bradley rejected the advances of the creepy crew member and he pushed her overboard. Perhaps he talked her into taking a stroll on the deck late into the night or early morning hours, he made advances on her and when she refused a altercation ensued and he shoved her off the boat into the water.
that photo of the woman on the adult website really did look like her though... and the fact that multiple other people thought they saw her in trafficking situations... :/ to die so young because of some s*xually frustrated man is beyond horrible, but the thought that she might still be out there, forced to do horrible things against her will is somehow arguably even worse.
Cruises are so shady I used to want to go on one bc I love the ocean but since learning ab the shit people get up to on open waters, you couldn't PAY ME to go on one hell no
I truly believed she was sold into sex trafficking. There have been a couple credible sightings from tourists claiming to have seen a woman looking strikingly similar to Amy with two men. In one instance the woman told another woman in a bathroom that her name was Amy. There was another man who claimed to have seen Amy in a brothel years after (he was a navy seal i believe so didn’t want to come out about him being in a brothel) she told him she needed help and her name was Amy, she begged him to help her and he ended up leaving without her. Not to mention yellow making the remark to Amy’s brother that he was sorry about what happened to her before any ship wide announcement was made about her being missing. He definitely knows what happened to Amy. It’s very sad and I don’t think there will ever be closure to her case.
@@vivian5109but the guy who said he was Timothy really looked like him aged up as well and prior to dna he would have got away with it takes a lot of work to kidnap someone from a cruise ship and I feel the benefits/risk is nearly the same kidnapping regularly
@@friderification they're talking about the amy from the cruise story, nothing to do with any from the timothy story
What child is handed over to a male, supposedly a doctor, for a health issue. And the staff were suspicious of him but did nothing. Poor little girl.
*rolls eyes* "...same message I've always tried to give IT."
🙄 is right!! One can only assume the "it" Michael refers to is Alissa's corpse, which he killed.. "OBVIOUSLY!"
God. I hadn't caught that. How is it not obvious, who refers to a person, much less their child as "it", dead or alive? Evil.
all of these cases have been passed around true crime youtube like candy, showing just how ridiculously oversaturated this market has become. still solid coverage.
True but in a way, at least with missing person cases or unsolved ones, it keeps the topic in mind
Most cases get solved due to coverage so it's not too dissimilar to how Unsolved Mysteries helped with several cases
Not 1:1 obviously but still. Plus, theres only so many cases to discuss, overlap WILL happen eventually
huh? And? These aren’t just stories for you to be entertained they’re UNSOLVED which means there are family members and friends who are still hurting but you’re throwing a hissy fit cause too many people are talking about them?
@@CarlyGayJepsenSeriously 😹 like it’s a bad thing these cases are getting more coverage. True crime community is full of weirdos
@@CarlyGayJepsen and nobody is gonna solve it by repeating the nonsensical idea that Amy Bradley was trafficked. It doesn't help.
@@maxkproductions yes it does help. If you ask any of their family members they’d say they want people to never stop talking about them. You however have the choice to just click off and quit barking and whining at anything or everything 🫶🏽
For the M-Shaped Cave segment;
Although it's not confirmed, it's been theorized that Kenny Veach took his own life in a place where his body wouldn't be discovered by the authorities.
This is based on what he told his girlfriend when asked if he were to ever commit suicide, with him saying that if he did, they'll never find his body.
To me, that seems to be the most obvious answer. That video of him describing the M-shaped cave seems very much like he's setting up a goose chase. I thought that even without knowing about what he said to his girlfriend. The guy went out there to die. For God's sake, he even tried to justify bringing a gun with him.
@@Chishanniconokay but why? Statistically speaking, 🤓, most suicides are done in a manner where the person wants to be found. Also even more rare would be someone who makes their suicide a mystery. The girlfriend left a message on a video on here and it seemed really fishy. It all summed up everything so easily but there’s a few things that don’t makes sense. The not wanting to be found angle . The leaving a message that was nothing to do with a suicide note, his phone being found neatly placed. I feel
Like something else happened.
@@TommymachineGunn
Maybe he didn't want his family / fans to have actual confirmation that he was dead all along.
His M-Cave story was probably made to give all of his loved ones a false possibility that he's still alive somewhere unknown to the rest of them.
@@SwaggyG_2102that and he probably wanted to spend his last moments in a place where he was truly happy
@@TommymachineGunn I’d recommend watching the WhyFiles on UA-cam as they cover this in a segment really well with the facts as well as comparing videos from others’ possibly finding said cave location(s) via UA-cam videos. The ending speculation was that not only did he have a terminal illness, but his business had tanked and he lost the majority of his finances a few years before his disappearance. While it’s speculated he was confined or ended by the military of Area 51 for finding a hidden entrance to the facility or to an alien hideout, the consensus is still he end gamed himself for possible business ventures by his family for his mysterious disappearance story or possibly starting a new life somewhere (though the new life hypothesis was deemed unlikely yet still plausible for him by the end of the video)
Alissas dad definitely did it what a mad man
Re: The Missy Bevers one... from what I read, she was having an affair and it actually could have been her father in law. Apparently "defending" his son.
Alissa was 100% being groomed by the step dad. To go from secretly monitoring her every move to not reporting her missing for 5 days? Come on.
The last one where the mother gave her kid to a janitor? What the actual f.
And if the staff already knew he was dodgy, and surely they saw that he was favouring her... what were they thinking.
I do agree though, you make a good case TBH. The Constant Monitoring itself is VERY sus IMO.
Missy Bevers - I have heard of this case before but never saw the footage of the "Dad" until now. After watching over side by side i can say this is 100% the same person. It's not just the gait, look at the body size/type The forward head posture is identical. Also his whole body movements are identical. the way he moves his arms while walking, his head movements. This is the same person in the video footage. compare video @9:01 vs @9:40 vs @11:24. Without knowing stuff about how he acted or whatever. I am totally convinced these are the exact same person. I know this isn't enough for police right now but maybe in the future the video clips can analyzed by AI and have a way to examine precise movements and compare to make a pattern analysis match. Maybe some day that will be admissible in court perhaps.
@@phaselockloop8372The father in law was 3 states away with video evidence and receipts at the time.
The husband is built just like his Dad. Any video exist of how the husband walks? He's got the same hump in his back between his shoulders, head thrust forward.
The interview with the father from the first story is heartbreaking. Waiting with no idea what happened to your son, holding onto hope he’s still alive and homeschooling somewhere in the middle of nowhere. Devastating
She had to have killed him ... There's no other way .. but I am in good hopes that she didn't
Yeah I really feel for him that's horrible. And the sister of the young girl who "disappeared" with the creepy step dad. She's been fighting for attention on her sister's case for 25 years now give or take. What a woman she is I'm really proud of her. I feel for all the victims families. Heartbreaking stuff
Did anyone else catch Alissa's stepfather refer to her as IT?? @40:44..."Same message I've always tried to give it...". 🧐😒
Yes! 😣
Relisha's so called mother sold that little girl to that fool. He gave her money and probably other incentives to let him be with her. Sad and sorry for that poor little Angel.
so.. her step dad did it right? i mean im not crazy am i? he is literally the dictionary definition of suspicious. Hell if he didnt do that he certainly is guilty of something else
I can't look at him when he gets interviewed at the last moment of the segment. I'm very certain he did it.
Who the f calls child services and says, "if my daughter accuses me of anything, she's lying?" And, how is that person not immediately investigated?
@@scottshanahan3827 not going to defend a guy, but I once witnessed a story about a girl and her dad, and a girl literally called child services and told them that her dad molested her, dad was taken to custody and investigation was started, I will pretty much skip almost a several month back and forth into that investigation, but turns out, that guy daughter literally lied because her dad refused to buy her new stuff (like new phone, ipad, clothes) he is solo parent after all, so yeah, there was such cases with kids, but still, we cannot confirm nor we can deny that in this video old man is killed her, no proof or anything other than "ugh he such a creepy looking guy my gosh!".
@RMX010 yeah, but that's still suspicious as it gets.
@@RMX010 You sorry -@$$ed reasonable basterd...how DARE you demand solid evidence !...i so FEEEEEEEL this dude is guilty as sin!....😫....i CAN SMELL SIN on this dude!...i demand my emotional conclusions be honored!!!😡
Someone please tell me:"How a parent can tell his kid (step or not) that she's not welcomed at home?" A girl, teenager, unprotected outside home and hellish inside. People are cruel.
Cases like "Dr." Tatum make me scream. In my country, precisely in my city, a 10-year old girl went missing 3 years ago. She went to the store and never came back. Her brother was a school colleague of mine and I know he was so desparate to find answers. His grandfather, who was his sister's guardian, was acquitted as a suspect in a human trafficking ring. The girl has still not been found and her brother died an early death at only the age of 21. That family is experiencing more grief than anyone could imagine and it's just horrible when other family members are willing to sell their own blood and flesh to a lifetime of abuse. They are also a minority (Roma) and lived a hard life, desparation can bring man to do unspeakable deeds, but to sell your own child away... That I just can't get behind.
No, there is never any excuse for doing that. A marginally decent person may sell themselves for their children to eat, but never would never allow their child to be sold in order to eat themselves, or even feed their other children. Unfortunately selling and renting kids out is hardly new, and in Roma communities it's a plague, but it's not because of desperation.
@kostantza1 that's exactly what I'm saying too, it's horrible in any circumstances 😕
That creep was protective over his step daughter bc he didn’t want anyone else to have her. They let him get away with killing his own daughter
That cruise ship story was dark. Very dark. I don’t like it. Most definitely it was some workers on the ship. Most likely they smuggled her off via some way or other. In a large trunk or bag. As I say: Evil is an opportunist. What goes around comes back around with a vengeance. Evil people should be more careful. The blood spilt may weigh more than a bad few years.
She could have easily been snuck off the ship when it was in port, that's why the family wanted the it stopped for the search. If not the crew someone in the band could also be involved as it was reported that one of the band members said to her father "sorry for your loss" or something along those lines.
Tbh I'd rather that she died on the ship and they got rid of her body at sea than her being alive and trafficked all these years. But whoever is responsible and whoever covered for them, I hope that cosmic justice doesn't forget them even if the human one does.
There is a justice higher than that of man we will be judged by him 🕊
He called her an it then the look on his face when they said u want her home is soooo telling... he killed that girl for sure. He prob caught her stealin 300 or maybe he jus made it up but either way u can tell he's sooooo guilty it's insane
fs it pisses me off there was no evidence connected to him
Creepy or what??😮
@@peopleperson3599 me too he’s nasty
Yeah, no one on earth could possibly believe he's innocent.
She probably threatened to tell of his abusive behaviour
1:45 "she bought things that were put of place, like a notebook and pen" bro what 😂
I expected he is gonna say something like "rope, chainsaw". How is notepad and pen weird to buy for a trip?
Second story is the creepiest to me. I want to know who that perpetrator is more than any other unsolved case I’ve seen.
I often look forward to your uploads. I think too many UA-camrs fixate on volume and increasing uploads but your seldom schedule produces well made and well narrated videos. Keep up the good work.
11:46 that person has severe supination. Look at the angle of their feet. Their toes are pointed out, like his feet are flat. Probably wearing bad or old shoes.
That was her father! For sure it was him
@@HEMIGOD1Don't you mean Father in Law? Her husband also looks huge like the person in the video-head thrusted forward.
Therapist?
her father wasn't just overprotective, wasn't even just overcontrolling her. he was sexually obsessed with her. the argument before she left was after his sexual advance towards her, she refused, then he confessed anyway that he's been having that feeling for so long. then she had enough and left. she didn't report it to the authority because she thought it's too embarrassing.
The first lady was the definition of selfish and evil. Not only did she abandon her family and murder their son, but she then leaves a cryptic note that will forever leave him with no closure
That third one made me feel sick, that's absolutely awful
Kenny wasn’t saying that the cave actually vibrated lol. He clarifies later that it got his spidey senses tingling. That’s all he meant. He never ever said or implied that the cave itself was vibrating.
"He's somewhere safe with people who love him and who will take care of him, you will never find him" with added context has the same vibe as "he's in a better place now" which is to say, she murdered him and buried him in the woods, just to kill herself later. Unfortunately his blood on the car seat and the mud on the tires spell it out.
22:33 that eyes roll tho.
I count my blessings each time I watch a video like this. Not just because I haven't fallen victim myself, but that I haven't known anyone personally to have fallen victim either...I pray I never do. So horrifying to think of what happened to these people...
Timmothy is with God now. There is no way she left him with someone and then killed herself. Her husband would have been the best person for her to leave him with. She took his life so he wouldn’t suffer after her death. Its really sad that the dad has no closure. He actually believes he’s still alive. Poor guy. 😢✌🏻
She literally gave him “the best day of his life” which is what people do when they are about to die!! 😢
???? she's a monster, nothing justifies what she did
That's not what happened at all. She killed him because she couldn't fathom not having or sharing something she considered hers, and she prefered to die than relinquish her son to the father even partly. At no point did any sort of love or consideration for her child enter this. She did this to spite her ex husband and leave him to deal with the emotional fallout knowing she caused him the greatest pain she could - that was enough for her to both kill her son and die over it.This has nothing to do with love. It is all possessiveness, spite and pride - which aptly is the mother of sins.
My assumption is she was going crazy and something told her that there will be people waiting for her son to take care of him, but only after she does that one step..
only if he was baptized. Otherwise its purgatory until Armageddon, then Judgment.
The person in the second case is a _White Female, 5'2-3", 37-43 yrs, _*_RELATED TO A COP._* There is another break down on this case in which a relationship of some sort (possibly platonic or equally as possible of a more intimate nature) with a senior member of the local police or county sheriff.
The investigators keep bringing the investigation back to *HER* family and away from all other suspects. He father is clearly too tall to be the person on the security video.
I wonder if Alissa’s dad has a basement/man cave that only he can access. I’m not sure she’s still alive but being held captive by him is not exactly ridiculous to ponder.
For Kenny's story, I believe that none of the m-shaped cave or vibrations were real. I strongly think that he just went to a cave far away and took his life. This is further proven by him telling his girlfriend if he was to take his life he wouldn't be found. He also has had suicidal thoughts before and is diagnosed with depression. I think the story is just a suicide that was planned to ensure that he would never be found. Extra: I think he said it was an M shaped cave was to stand for mysterious and that the vibrations would lead others off his track. I don't think that there is any cave there in that mountain range that had the exact describtikn so that even if people checked every cave... he would never be found. I think his body is very deep in a cave.
We have her word only and she's not believable
@@Azazel2024 What makes her unbelievable? She obviously would know him pretty well. He also left that day without his camera and took his gun. He was depressed, and he was about to lose his home due to not being able to keep up with the payments. The M-Cave being real or not is beside the point. But many people have gone looking for it, and it's never been found. There are people still to this day who go out and look.
I watched another video where a guy found the exact spot Kenny claimed the cave was, and it looked like it had been filled in with more rocks. The vibrations he felt might have been dangerous natural gasses or something of that sort, which is why the cave had been filled in. The guy in the video later threw up several times, despite being a seasoned hiker himself.
This is all very interesting
@@bignewsmorgans93 Interesting. Can you share that video? Not that I'm keen to see someone vomit, but I'd like to see the cave he found.
How is it not the father? Not only is it the same gait, it's the same body type and slumped shoulders. Plus the footage of him walking into the church, he looks lost and shuffles around like a goon. Bet he got insurance money...
OMFG THANK YOU I WAS LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO SAY SOMETHING 😭😭😭
Alibi. Also its suspected that the killer might be a woman
The guy shown in the video is really her father-in-law, rather than her own father, so I can't imagine he would be in line for any insurance money. Other than that agreed the rest seems very suspicious
The way the arms move is identical
They can't prove it as he has an alibi. The cops know it's him but with zero evidence and a strong alibi they wouldn't get a conviction so the DA won't pursue it.
I've watched a whole thing about Alissa Turney and I agree that it's *really obvious* he probably killed her but also that there's too much reasonable doubt to convict him.
I actually wonder if the case could be a coincidence - like, odds are some of these mysteries where one friend or relative was REALLY creepy have to have just been coincidences. Michael was super creepy but perhaps Alissa really did just storm off to cool her head and some unrelated person took her. So Michael looks like an obvious suspect with no real proof but some totally random stranger actually killed her.
He was inappropriate with his step daughter so he is far from innocent!
I wonder that sometimes too, as unlikely as it is stranger things have happened.
Tho, the other reply is right, he’s definitely not innocent of hurting her either way.
It's be a satanic coincidence....not that such things haven't happened. It's hair-pullingly enraging when the situation is so clear and yet so inadequately proven for the law, but it truly serves to show why often the law is so reluctant to pursue charges.I'm definitely sure he either was harming her, or he very soon intended to do so. That he referred to her as "it" in that snippet, though, is repulsive, and I think it points strongly to him having done it and gotten away with.
you are probably my favorite youtuber at the moment. your videos are so well done and researched i really appreciate what you do. this one is a hard watch though, cried within the first ten minutes. true crime fascinates me but the ones involving kids are just so sad.
also im one of your few female subscribers lol. i saw that you commented on one of your videos that only like 5% of viewers were female lmao. women can like this shit too 😭
@@courtneyatkinson5398 I know a lot of users have their genders at "prefer not to say" or didn't care and have them on male. Ik my sister has her account on male, despite being female.
6:00 did they ever get an investigator who could match handwritings? What if that note wasn’t written by the mom and she was being blackmailed or she didn’t commit suicide. And this person took the boy.
Number 2 is so intriguing. What an absolutely bizarre setup, why would someone be wearing that getup to commit crime. Is it a costume or legit SWAT gear? If the latter, how did they acquire it? Clearly they aren't in a stable mental state. So eerie.
I’ve heard that wearing one distinct article of clothing is a good way to keep witnesses from remembering the perpetrator’s face. The eyes go to the garment that is easily discarded. There’s a realtor in Canada that was murdered at a house showing. Witnesses describe a woman wearing an unusual skirt getting into a car near the house but they don’t describe much else.
1) manic episode, she definitely killed him before killing herself, the fact that they found his blood is solid proof because it shows she hurt him in some way. If she was capable to hurt him why wouldn’t she be capable of taking his life? It’s so obvious
Manic episode? Was she bipolar?
@ she could have been however sometimes psychotic/ manic episodes can happen without a pre-existing mental illness
Right I’m sure they have that theory but the way cases work is they need evidence to conclude that.
does anyone notice 22:40 Michael says “it” and not “her”. He slipped up, “it” would refer to her corpse 🫣 not her, an alive well person.
Wow.
The most logical explanation for what happened to Kenny is that he entered the 'M' cave, it was vibrating because it was on the brink of collapse. It collapsed while he was inside, trapping him. Because it collapsed, nobody can find the 'M' because there is no longer an 'M'.
I clicked on this video hoping to be disturbed. You delivered in your first sentence when you mentioned my home town of Aurora, Illinois. You are the absolute opposite of clickbate. Take my subscription
I live in Midlothian and had just graduated when Missy was murdered. Everyone in the town still talks about the case. There are so many theories that fly around regularly. I do personally believe that the police have more info than they're leading on, but there's just not enough to get an arrest or conviction. I hope her kids are doing okay.
Amy Lynn Bradley most likely fell over the side of a cruise ship and drowned. When you strip back all of the sensationalism behind the story, the obvious answer is most likely. Thinking she was trafficked, as is common, is a gross misunderstanding of how those rings actually work. I'm sorry, but I don't care how much of a "strong swimmer" you are, you cannot survive falling that high into freezing cold water off a cruise ship.
Most likely. Its laughable thet you seem to think that's no happening though
@@Azazel2024 Well can you provide me with recent cases of people being kidnapped and sold into human trafficking where the victim doesn't know the trafficker beforehand?
Sure she did, I bet you know more about human trafficking first hand,@maxproductions.
@@maxkproductionsIt happens all the time. People will do anything when large amounts of money are exchanged.
@@heatherreader So can you provide any examples of this? Or just say "it happens". The point isn't that human trafficking doesn't occur it's that it's rarely an abduction.
22:35 That was the most terrifying look I've ever seen. The way he looks directly into the camera after saying "Obviously so"
The murderous SCUMBAG ..So visibly bored and annoyed that anyone would care about that " It" . Clearly a THING he used and then , when IT fought to get away frm him , threw away .
Alissa’s case reminds me so much of Aundria Bowman, her foster dad killed her and told the entire family she ran away but in reality he killed, dismembered and hid her body in a barrel for years til they had to move.. he then moved the barrel to the other house and kept it there for 10 years (i think).
It’s insane how similar the cases are and how Michael wasn’t immediately arrested.
It’s heartbreaking that Alissa hasn’t gotten the justice she deserves when it’s so, so clear.
Ok so here’s my theory on the Timothy part:
I think Amy definitely 100% killed Timothy and by saying he was safe in the suicide note, what she really meant is that he was already dead and in heaven. I also think this because the school staff said it felt off when she picked him up early, so she might have been planning this from the start. She might have taken him to all those fun places so he could have fun/be happy before she killed him and then killed herself. It seems like one of those cases where the parent plans on taking their own life but also takes the life of their child because they are unsure what will happen to them or feel like they are the only one who can take the best care of them.
28:45 _Kenny was an idiot. Just going into the Mojave Desert by yourself is already a very foolhardy thing too do. But Some of those mines are very very old and those shafts are very old oil drilling rigs afrom the 1800's, the integrity of those shafts are very very dangerous. His remains are probably at the bottom of one of those shafts._
Can I please get a reminder what this is from? I want to say Tom Mahood but my memory is failing me!
I thought conclusion was he offed himself in the desert?
@@RumBraveKenny Veach, the M Cave
only idiotic if you're afraid. Some people have balls and push the envelope so fat little online trolls can benefit from the confort of their basement.
Amy clearly fell overboard. The family was in denial. Whether she fell on her own by being drunk or she got pushed after an assault but its what makes the most sense. Thats why she left her shoes on the boat she fell over board late at night
Very likely you're right. It's Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is the answer
We’ll never know. There’s a good chance that is exactly what happened, but even so, you can’t say that she ‘clearly fell overboard’ as there’s no definitive evidence one way or the other.
That's honestly a preferable explanation but I'm confused. Then what about those sightings of her and the pic of the woman who looked like her with the same tattoo?
you must be the crew member from that night
@@brandonkite4414it’s an image of someone who resembles amy, dude in number 2 who faked being the guys son did look like an aged up version of the kid but dna proved it false I mean just play out the kidnapping so evil seal team six waited on the dock by ocean for hours hoping a cruise ship came by at night they were able to somehow board the cruiser find a pretty girl alone got her off the boat and into there boat and back to their facility where they trafficked her or she fell or was pushed of a boat 🤷♂️
i had to just stop after the third one, not because it's a bad video or anything, i've just been watching way too much depressing content. i really need more positivity in my life...
I knew Kenny. I met him in Montana roughly a year before he disappeared. There are so many people missing in mine shafts and caves in the Nevada desert. Every once in a while I think of him, and try not to let my mind wander to ‘the hills have eyes’ scenarios.
Having cameras in your house isn't weird. Having cameras in your house that your family doesn't know about us fucking weird.
Showing up to your daughters job and sitting out side secretly filming her should be illegal on its own
Michael Turney did something. Look in the basement like the Josef Fritzel story
Alissa's father is a major creep.
i'm glad to see more attention on alissa turney's case. i became aware of her disappearance after her sister started to ask for help solving the case on tiktok a couple years ago
It was Missy Bevers father in law, not her father who was suspected due to his walk. Michael Turney was Alissa Turneys step father, not her dad.
17:04 The Silent Hill 2 sound effect 💀
Fr I got jump scared 😭
I knew it! Haha
Lori Vallow, the recent famous case of the woman who killed her 2 children, had also insisted early on when they were still considered missing that they were with friends and in a safe place. For those who don't know, the kids were found buried in her new husband's backyard.
The Amy case is crazy hope one day she will be found
As far as Missy Beavers her killer was about 5'5 or 5'6. He father is much taller than that. The killer has a prosthetic leg I'm thinking. That could be the reason for the strange gait. Where is the outside security camera footage?
Woah, woah, woah… I saved this video to watch weeks ago, and you open with “Aurora Illinois”… where I live, and have lived my entire life.
Midwest truly is a crazy place
That is totally Missy’s dad. The posture of the forward leaning head, the way he walks with his feet turned out and his gait leads with hours knees. But why? How could a parent ever harm their own kid?
No lot of people walk that way. It just shows bring off balance. Which in bad boots and wearing of heavy uniform you would expect.
Gait is not an acceptable form of identification.
@ actually, there have been identification leaning to convictions based on unique posture, body type, and unusual gait. I do get what you’re saying about wearing heavy equipment, but other that his tactical vest, can we tell whether he’s carrying heavy tools,I couldn’t tell? But it’s even the way his hips and feet are turned out that it’s the same between the perp and the dad, I’ve not seen people wearing heavy equipment to walk turned out like that. Thoughts?
@ one there have been many convictions on really bad science and poor evidence doesn’t make them correct
Two, the gait we see here is not in any way unique. Like I get not everyone spends time around people over 50 and 50 pounds over bmi but When your off balance you make those kind of corrections when you walk almost anyone at that size does it. (Unless you have large amount strength and posture which you lose with age) the dad does it because of his weight, age, and most likely injuries to his knees. he is also doing half steps as he approach’s the door to time it so he doesn’t invade the personal space of the group in front of him.
The perp was most likely doing it due to the shoes not fitting correctly and just general uncomfortableness in that uniform, may also be overweight as well.
It also odd that the footage cuts when it does if you found a way to cut the feed why leave in your weird building walk, he also had to sneak up to her (because even if she knows you she is not going to recognize you in that outfit), and then fight a fitness instructor.
@ I’ve literally never seen anyone else walk quite like this. Even larger people, even larger seniors.
@@dragonlogos1 how is it bad science?
Case one happened on my birthday. I had a less tragic, but similar turn of events in the way my mother avoided my amazing father and blocked my from him. That poor kid. Unsure of everything, feeling he probably had no one but that sick fuck.
It just hits close
I never knew Amy's pictures from the cruise were missing. It makes sense that she was trafficked. I pray is found and returns to her family.
yeah no one has lost property on a cruise before.
the third case with the dad, i didnt even need to hear the rest, i immediately knew that the dad was a creep. How uncomfortable she seems in the video he takes of her, really chilling.
I really love your channel! I remembered all of these videos, he breaks my heart that none of them were solved. Thank you for your content!
The story of Alissa turney is so close to me because i was born on the day she disappeared. 5/17/01 is my birthday and I know the ins and outs of her case. Her step father 100,000% ended her.
cases like alissa's make me hate the "innocent until proven guilty" rule. i know how important it is objectively, but i wish there was some way to make exceptions in cases like this where there the answer to the crime is so blatantly obvious but impossible to prove.
7:00 Sounds awful lot like heaven.
Heaven’s gate or just heaven? If it’s just heaven then explain yourself.
@@psyb0idinocreepy649it's a bot🙄
The one about Alyssa is so messed up - there's a home movie the Dad made where Alyssa says something like "Yeah Dad's a pervert" and he tells her to shut her mouth or shut up.
Desert guy was eaten by the mountain lion who most likely lived in that cave. Prob had cubs on his second arrival which = him being drug into a cave and eaten. Mountain lions are nasty.