"It's Unbelievable." The Entire Chess World Is Speechless Right Now

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  • "It's Unbelievable." The Entire Chess World Is Speechless Right Now.
    Magnus Carlsen Chess World Number One with white against Ding Liren, World Chess Champion, in Norway Chess 2024. Carlsen takes on the struggling Ding Liren in this epic classical chess game. What followed is heartbreaking chess between Carlsen and Ding.
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  • @WilliamDeVey
    @WilliamDeVey 23 дні тому +4311

    For the first time ever, I can say that I play like a world champion.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  23 дні тому +118

      lol

    • @ashtonk4h19
      @ashtonk4h19 23 дні тому +19

      Some people are gifted at strategy. Some people are gifted at memorization. Which is more valuable?

    • @teeemm9456
      @teeemm9456 23 дні тому +3

      Pssh, I play like Magnus when he memes, Ding's move is child's play.

    • @kentait8625
      @kentait8625 23 дні тому +34

      Sadly you can say that you still don't play like a world Champion, because right now Ding is not playing like a World Champion. At 1900 at my best, I was never a very strong player, but I saw that coming a good way in the distance. Ding will not have missed it as such, it will have been on his radar for a good number of moves. But right now his mind is not in balance and he knew he would be getting counterplay when he played rb2, after playing ph6. His brain just moved the wrong piece first. I am feeling so sorry for him.

    • @matviko
      @matviko 23 дні тому +2

      Lol😂

  • @InformationEngineer59
    @InformationEngineer59 20 днів тому +856

    I love your rapid fire "play by play" style. It gives me that "sport event" feel.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  19 днів тому +39

      thanks a lot glad you enjoyed!

    • @josefernandez4423
      @josefernandez4423 17 днів тому +17

      @@epicchess2021 I liked it too. it made me watch the whole video. or else I wouldn't understand anything lol.

    • @guilhermebgirardi
      @guilhermebgirardi 17 днів тому +2

      @@epicchess2021 nice presentation

    • @treehouse6025
      @treehouse6025 17 днів тому +1

      ​@@josefernandez4423100% same here. Not sure how this got recommended but I'm glad it did. Was fun to watch!

    • @5TA1KR
      @5TA1KR 16 днів тому +1

      Agree. Perfect tempo and commentary

  • @IvanToman
    @IvanToman 20 днів тому +1313

    If he did this against me, I would never spot that mate in two...

    • @xxlocobassistxx
      @xxlocobassistxx 19 днів тому +55

      I might've spotted it if i heard audible gasps from spectators, otherwise probably not 🤣
      I did pause the video and found it in about 5 seconds when i knew there was a mate in 2 to be found

    • @wloonie
      @wloonie 19 днів тому +7

      It was really a no-brainer. When the commentator said "Ding played the unbelievable..." I simply knew that he didn't see the queen sac. Which really IS unbelievable.

    • @IvanToman
      @IvanToman 19 днів тому +4

      Sure, when someone said that this is The move, I found it immediatelly, but if noone said nothing, if I was playing... no way :)

    • @junkequation
      @junkequation 18 днів тому +12

      @@IvanToman glad i'm not the only one. No idea why I'm super average at chess but still like to watch it. And it feels like everyone else spectating is a chess genius. I know just enough to sort of understand the insane commitment it takes to get really good which scares me off from even playing.

    • @IvanToman
      @IvanToman 18 днів тому +7

      @@junkequation The Gauss distribution says that the majority of chess players are super-average :) There is nothing wrong with that. Here on youtube we are watching the best players in the world... it can skew our perception sometimes.

  • @Abraham-Kaykski-Steinberg
    @Abraham-Kaykski-Steinberg 18 днів тому +777

    thanks for not spoiling the winner just like every other chess channel.

    • @dayday2466
      @dayday2466 16 днів тому +30

      yes! i dont watch chess, dont play chess, have a very rudimentary understanding of it, but know who magnus is so i clicked on this expecting an epic magnus fail. a good video even though i understood about 5% of it.

    • @Dutch1954
      @Dutch1954 16 днів тому

      @@dayday2466 Same here exactly. Been online since Windows 98, my introduction to computers, and have never bothered to even watch one chess video, never learned the game. This becomes the only chess video in my digital collection of more than 40TB of video alone hoarded over the years.

    • @indefatigableflame
      @indefatigableflame 15 днів тому +2

      The thumbnail made it very obvious

    • @markusjohansson4949
      @markusjohansson4949 15 днів тому

      That was everything i wanted to know

    • @coc1841
      @coc1841 15 днів тому +3

      Who won?

  • @AndersHaalandverby
    @AndersHaalandverby 23 дні тому +2422

    This is like if Lionel Messi picked up the ball and walked backwards into his own goal.

    • @him0075
      @him0075 21 день тому +50

      Woah what a perfect way to describe it for soccer fans 😂😅 I think he feels the pressure from the whole chess community dude needs to loosen up and relax enjoy the game just get more exp and lvl up more 😅

    • @johnc3403
      @johnc3403 20 днів тому +13

      Pretty sure I saw Ronaldo doing that one time.

    • @carld2796
      @carld2796 20 днів тому +29

      Thanks for the interpretation. I don't know anything about chess. I just saw the headline. Lol

    • @thanekrios3211
      @thanekrios3211 20 днів тому +2

      Hahaha. Really funny analogy man. 👍

    • @lkrnpk
      @lkrnpk 20 днів тому +13

      so he did a Maguire

  • @jondohnson8417
    @jondohnson8417 23 дні тому +1303

    I see things like that all the time - in my own games

    • @samuelmatheis
      @samuelmatheis 20 днів тому +3

      hahahaha i find this hilarious

    • @luigivincenz3843
      @luigivincenz3843 16 днів тому +1

      I witnessed my Seattle Mariners BLOW an 8-0 lead going into the 8th, and they LOSE the game! Happened 3 days ago. At least now I know someone had a worse game than my clown team.

    • @kenneth1767
      @kenneth1767 16 днів тому +1

      brilliant

    • @dannycrankovich
      @dannycrankovich 16 днів тому +3

      It's the Star Wars Acolyte of chess moves

    • @mad-mullah3117
      @mad-mullah3117 16 днів тому

      In your dreams , then go play and show us or be quite

  • @penguinabroad
    @penguinabroad 23 дні тому +1274

    The fact that both Magnus after this game and Hikaru after their game said that something felt off and different about Ding says a lot. Magnus' interview afterward felt odd, like he didn't even want to take credit for a great game played by him. I hope Ding is okay

    • @black6master
      @black6master 23 дні тому +38

      *Something different" feels about Ding for good amount of time, not just now

    • @eyeofhorus1301
      @eyeofhorus1301 23 дні тому +34

      It seems ding is attuned and sensitive to the majin transition/presence and it's badly affecting him

    • @GreenDriveIndia
      @GreenDriveIndia 23 дні тому +24

      he even doesn't look okay

    • @dubstepforever99
      @dubstepforever99 21 день тому +33

      depression

    • @mendo1522
      @mendo1522 21 день тому +116

      They are pretty humble guys. I get no joy beating someone because they made a massive blunder. Such a shame the game ends this way, it was a really beautiful game beforehand.

  • @smoorej
    @smoorej 23 дні тому +1482

    Whatever is going on with Ding is clearly more than just nerves. I hope he pulls through whatever crisis he’s going through. He certainly deserves respect and support from the chess community.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  23 дні тому +105

      Agreed

    • @creatineaddict
      @creatineaddict 20 днів тому +149

      If you watch some of the full stream, you can actually see him falling asleep at times, trying to keep himself awake... He seems very tired/sleep deprived.

    • @Mark-pb4dn
      @Mark-pb4dn 20 днів тому

      The Communist Party has overworked him with unhuman hours to bring prizes back. He should move to Taiwan to escape.

    • @internationalpatzer
      @internationalpatzer 19 днів тому +34

      Honestly, I feel bad for the guy. We've all played like crap at some point... and yes, he shouldn't be making these mistakes, but he clearly is not used to this added pressure of expectation as World Champion. I suspect this is a low point for his career, unless he embarrasses himself in the WC match.

    • @Mark-pb4dn
      @Mark-pb4dn 19 днів тому +30

      @@internationalpatzer He tried to play ball with Magnus the Great then snapped from the pressure. Nothing to be ashamed of. Happens to anyone trying to stay rigid against a force of nature.

  • @thinkvision1607
    @thinkvision1607 17 днів тому +90

    You can see the passion in Magnus's reaction as he even doesn't want his opponent to make huge mistakes. Some players are celebrating after the move but he's the contrary.

  • @E1337N3SS
    @E1337N3SS 22 дні тому +472

    This feels like one of those moves where you saw the mate in 2 and aknowledged that you had to defend against it, and then you start analyzing the resulting position after you defend and play the move for that position instead.

    • @WandererSG
      @WandererSG 20 днів тому +17

      Agreed

    • @meisterlymanu5214
      @meisterlymanu5214 20 днів тому

      i get it. So if youre thinking of anal, you go for vag, but realize that anal was the play. Youre pumping vag, but the whole room has left because youve left a forlorn gaping anus wanting it. I never got chess but now i do. Brilliant from MC.

    • @michaelloswijk8873
      @michaelloswijk8873 19 днів тому +8

      Jup!!!! Your mind decides to play some tricks on you instead of againstmagnus…

    • @BobMarley-oc6oj
      @BobMarley-oc6oj 19 днів тому +1

      chess is a mess that way,but we keep comming back for more

    • @b4ph0m3tdk9
      @b4ph0m3tdk9 19 днів тому +11

      Been there! That is probably what happend here, you right.

  • @tommcdermott3233
    @tommcdermott3233 19 днів тому +825

    “Stockfish had a hernia..” lmao

    • @charlesreid9337
      @charlesreid9337 17 днів тому +10

      i wish stockfish and other computer tools didnt exist. Programming was my first love. i realised instantly no human could beat a computer with enough flops and memory. Computers destroy the game of chess because it is becoming simply "who's smart enough to see what the computer 'thinks' is the best move (computers dont think)

    • @michalkiwanuka938
      @michalkiwanuka938 17 днів тому +11

      @@charlesreid9337 we need a new game. one that is not based on pure deterministic and logic calculation but on psychology and creativity

    • @DaNervous319
      @DaNervous319 17 днів тому

      Poker?​@@michalkiwanuka938

    • @binchamers
      @binchamers 17 днів тому +3

      @@michalkiwanuka938diplomacy is pretty much that. It’s kinda like if you could negotiate while playing chess with multiple other people

    • @jesusguillen5054
      @jesusguillen5054 17 днів тому +15

      ​@@michalkiwanuka938we have thousands of games, my friend. The thing with Chess is that is very simple to learn, elegant and very rounded. If you don't play at the level of Magnus, then you really don't have to worry about "computer been able to beat any human".

  • @alexobed4252
    @alexobed4252 23 дні тому +695

    I feel horrible for Ding. He does NOT want to be playing chess. He's only playing because he's the reigning world champion. He admitted that had he lost the WCC against Nepo that he would have quit chess forever! He wants out! Can you imagine the pressure he feels from his home country, China? Perhaps internal pressure more than external, but still... oh, man. Poor guy!

    • @johnworf
      @johnworf 21 день тому +19

      he obviously wants to play a proper game...called bridge 🙂

    • @insomnia20422
      @insomnia20422 20 днів тому +56

      I think its more pressure from his family that he become rich as Magnus. Chess isnt that big in China (in contrast to India), Ding said no one in China actually knows him. He knows that if he plays his hand well he could rake in huge wealth but thats also a lot of pressure and I think thats what spiraled him into depression.

    • @EL-kf9vi
      @EL-kf9vi 20 днів тому

      DING should just QUIT CHESS and tell the Chess World and the CCP of China GO f themselves !!! Stop Feeling Sorry for DING !

    • @ivannasha5556
      @ivannasha5556 20 днів тому +49

      @@insomnia20422 You are taking some big leaps from a foundation of mud.

    • @thechronicler7461
      @thechronicler7461 20 днів тому +27

      @@ivannasha5556 But he is right in that Chess is not that popular in China. Chinese people plays 2 board games (not including card games): Go and Chinese Chess. Go players are a whole lot more renouned in China.

  • @theazrael4423
    @theazrael4423 23 дні тому +232

    Commentators stunned into silence

    • @jaconova
      @jaconova 22 дні тому +13

      Such a dreadful moment of silence. It reminds me of that famous GOT episode where the Starks are killed, and the ending credits black screen rolled off with no music.

    • @lollycopter
      @lollycopter 21 день тому +7

      It's so rare for Danny Rensch to be genuinely speechless.

    • @thechronicler7461
      @thechronicler7461 20 днів тому +3

      @@jaconova ...Spoilers man, I'm still planning to read the books that I got

    • @connorgillispie7128
      @connorgillispie7128 19 днів тому +3

      @@thechronicler7461well sht dude get to it… For what it’s worth though, I’ve read the books and watched the show, and I have no clue what this guy is talking about

    • @regrox
      @regrox 19 днів тому +2

      @@connorgillispie7128 two words... red wedding

  • @ianstopher9111
    @ianstopher9111 23 дні тому +365

    I'm glad you dialed down the jokes. It is an important moment to cover but no one is enjoying it. I like the theory that Ding calculated the moves and then played the first 2 in the wrong order. He has been criticized for move order switching before. I hope he finds some joy in playing again.

    • @bambesfresser
      @bambesfresser 23 дні тому +3

      I doubt Ding is reading the comments here but it is a classy move.

    • @spacer999
      @spacer999 23 дні тому +13

      I think he was expecting Rh4 and thought he had one more tempo. He simply missed Qxh7.

    • @vannersp
      @vannersp 23 дні тому +3

      I did consider the idea that Ding got into a line, then forgot which move he was on; but he only spent three minutes on the move. That's nothing for players at this level.

    • @BrianRampage
      @BrianRampage 18 днів тому +2

      I'm enjoying it

    • @dickurkel6910
      @dickurkel6910 16 днів тому +1

      A bit annoying for him to stall so much before getting to the fucking point. Feels weird for him to act like it's super somber if he's gonna blue ball us like that.

  • @scene2much
    @scene2much 19 днів тому +44

    I thought the title was clickbait. Clearly it was not.

  • @Coconautify
    @Coconautify 20 днів тому +26

    I'm no great chess player, but this was fascinating... "the two clergymen are very powerful together"... never even heard such expressions before lol!

  • @HelloWorld12347
    @HelloWorld12347 23 дні тому +104

    Gukesh watching Ding's performance: Na...this guy is bluffing. He is playing a long game. He trying to trick me. He is playing chess outside chess. I am not falling for it.🤣

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  23 дні тому +9

      haha the long game, that made me laugh. this is one super long game if so 🤣

    • @HelloWorld12347
      @HelloWorld12347 23 дні тому +1

      @@epicchess2021 play long to win big🤣

    • @gaoussoukeita7289
      @gaoussoukeita7289 19 днів тому +1

      Sun-Tzu type of game ...

  • @Drophammer5
    @Drophammer5 23 дні тому +125

    Something is going on behind the scenes. World champs don't let sniper bishops find a foothold like that.

    • @lollycopter
      @lollycopter 21 день тому +1

      The bishop wasn't even far away. It had just been used for a check two moves earlier.

    • @LeNoLi.
      @LeNoLi. 17 днів тому +4

      Never had such a weak and unworthy world champion either

    • @sisyphus_strives5463
      @sisyphus_strives5463 16 днів тому +9

      It happens, we're human beings and not machines. There are times of the day and situations where an expert can perform far below their level

    • @pyropulseIXXI
      @pyropulseIXXI 16 днів тому +2

      He isn’t even a real world champion

    • @pyropulseIXXI
      @pyropulseIXXI 16 днів тому +3

      @@LeNoLi.that’s what happens when the actual world champion just decides to not defend it; someone obviously inferior is going to get it

  • @spasskyfan5389
    @spasskyfan5389 22 дні тому +93

    No, it wasn't "two seconds" for Ding to realize his error, he extended his hand immediately.

    • @UHollis
      @UHollis 20 днів тому +8

      and after Mag took pawn with queen, not prior.

    • @dickurkel6910
      @dickurkel6910 16 днів тому

      Maybe it was one second? Why are you being so pedantic for something that literally doesn't matter.

  • @priyams1990
    @priyams1990 23 дні тому +112

    I just want him to get his mental peace. He is a good person.

    • @BG1435q
      @BG1435q 16 днів тому +4

      he is a good person? how do you know that? i once asked ding for an autograph and he laughed at me and spit on my shirt. i felt so bad... i will never forget it

    • @biaoqingpanda
      @biaoqingpanda 16 днів тому

      @@BG1435q I met ding and he told me about the user "BG1335q" and he said be careful and do not believe what he says

    • @armelchausse8873
      @armelchausse8873 16 днів тому +4

      @@BG1435q buddy I think that was the dream right before the one where you shat the bed

    • @BG1435q
      @BG1435q 16 днів тому

      @@armelchausse8873 its true, it was filmed, but ding's managers took it down from the internet, forcing me to never talk about it again.

    • @tsuki5298
      @tsuki5298 16 днів тому

      @@BG1435q yeah right he pooped on mine ... wtf

  • @Nako3
    @Nako3 16 днів тому +12

    I hate it when I watch a match like this where I am not the one playing that I can see every move, but when I play myself I am blind

  • @ViewBothSides
    @ViewBothSides 23 дні тому +208

    yeah, not a time for jokes... good judgement.

    • @JonHop1
      @JonHop1 20 днів тому +7

      its always a time for jokes.

    • @christopherraines3202
      @christopherraines3202 19 днів тому +2

      @@JonHop1 probably just me, but I was hoping Mag would go Will Ferrell-esque and do some massive, jumping out of seat celebration.🤣

    • @aaabbb-py5xd
      @aaabbb-py5xd 19 днів тому +2

      @christopherraines3202 Sure, when your only chance of winning is somebody else giving you a miracle, by all means, celebrate like a homeless

    • @JonHop1
      @JonHop1 18 днів тому +2

      @@aaabbb-py5xd what the heck are you even talking about?

    • @aaabbb-py5xd
      @aaabbb-py5xd 18 днів тому +1

      @@JonHop1 Damn son, didn't like the joke? Here's another one, whoOoooOosh

  • @exdejesus
    @exdejesus 23 дні тому +7

    Awesome recap! Thanks!

  • @ckernick
    @ckernick 17 днів тому +6

    Dude! This is some of the best commentary I have ever heard. So good. Great work!

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  17 днів тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it thanks a lot for the feedback!

  • @vaclavsubrt5474
    @vaclavsubrt5474 20 днів тому +40

    That is what happens to me quite often while playing chess - I am so obsessed with my own ideas so that I overlook the obvious :)

    • @kilroy1964
      @kilroy1964 16 днів тому +3

      I told a GM friend that I have trouble with counter play. He replied: "Me too.".

  • @paulmorphy6187
    @paulmorphy6187 20 днів тому +11

    "Bc5 came and ya gettin' kebabbed"
    My favourite bit of the commentary :)

  • @insomnia20422
    @insomnia20422 20 днів тому +44

    You didnt underestimate. I never saw a blunder like that by a reigning World Champion in a classical game...
    Its absolutely mind-boggling...

    • @antandros69
      @antandros69 18 днів тому +2

      Ding looks totally out of touch, the next opponent should go for the scholar's mate, there is a good chance he misses it

  • @fnaq1
    @fnaq1 16 днів тому +1

    Loved that you didnt drag it out, you actually explained fairly fast and then reviewed the game in a timely manner. I just hate people dragging it out.

  • @nadvani4844
    @nadvani4844 23 дні тому +48

    I like the wit and the clever analyses. Ding was not well a couple of years ago. Maybe the stress is getting to him .we wish him well.

  • @Mach1Airspace
    @Mach1Airspace 23 дні тому +65

    Who knows what’s really going on but Ding is depressed and obviously has a confidence problem. Let’s hope he gets the help he needs and recovers.

    • @spindriftdrinker
      @spindriftdrinker 23 дні тому +4

      Maybe he just had a bad night of sleep. Blunders happen to everybody. Magnus has made bad blunders too.

    • @Mach1Airspace
      @Mach1Airspace 22 дні тому +2

      @@spindriftdrinker I hope you’re right but that was his 4th loss in a row. That doesn’t happen to a World Champion unless something is seriously wrong.

    • @spindriftdrinker
      @spindriftdrinker 22 дні тому +1

      @@Mach1Airspace No point in playing chess unless you are in the right frame of mind to play.

    • @thenonexistinghero
      @thenonexistinghero 16 днів тому

      @@spindriftdrinker What complete bollocks. If you're playing at a high level then your control on 'when' you play a professional match is very limited. You'll have to win regardless of whether you are or aren't in a good frame of mind to play and every high level player has to deal with this at some point.

    • @spindriftdrinker
      @spindriftdrinker 16 днів тому +1

      @@thenonexistinghero You can turn down the overcaffeinated rant, guy. Was making a general observation about people playing chess, 99.99% of whom are not professional chess players. Yes, I too have to get up and go to work after a bad night of sleep, though I'd rather not.

  • @tmass1
    @tmass1 12 днів тому +1

    great recap. easy to follow along for beginners and doesn't waste a lot of time. subbed

  • @weirdwickedworld6111
    @weirdwickedworld6111 18 днів тому

    It's comforting to know it happens to the best still..

  • @luckbeforeleap
    @luckbeforeleap 23 дні тому +87

    Your first video where the title doesn't overstate it. And Ding 100% saw this and played it anyway - it's the first thing that any 1200+ would see. I feel for the guy.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  23 дні тому +11

      Do you think so? Maybe you're right, with how quick he offered his hand as well, I really don't know

    • @mrmeu3480
      @mrmeu3480 23 дні тому +9

      I'm 1500 and took 30sec to see it ^^'

    • @Anubis2828
      @Anubis2828 23 дні тому

      ​@@mrmeu34801600 here and saw it pretty much immediately loo

    • @yejunyeo2918
      @yejunyeo2918 23 дні тому +11

      I don't think he saw it. Why would he throw an equal position and make a fool of himself?

    • @88mphDrBrown
      @88mphDrBrown 23 дні тому +24

      Saying that it's 100% that he saw this and intentionally played it is ridiculous and disrespectful. It's clear he's had serious health and mental problems since the WC. We all saw Ian play almost perfect chess, then crack and start making 1000 elo blunders.

  • @ja935
    @ja935 23 дні тому +136

    He did not want to play any longer, thats not a blunder

    • @Shadow-7295
      @Shadow-7295 23 дні тому +7

      You could be right ...

    • @MrSorror
      @MrSorror 23 дні тому +44

      Nope, he first wanted to write down Magnus' move, then quickly realized what happened and gave him a handshake. It was just a blunder.

    • @pilgrimsandstrangers7910
      @pilgrimsandstrangers7910 23 дні тому +6

      I agree. Sometimes everybody has something going in their life or they just need a break from it all. Hasn't everybody gone through that at work and you tell your boss I need to take time off vacation days etc... It's got to be hard having the same reediness and concentration to be a top player every tournament. It really seems impossible to do.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  23 дні тому +22

      maybe right you know I don't know, can you imagine if that really is the case, awful to think it is

    • @alanprak80
      @alanprak80 23 дні тому +25

      It was a blunder. If Ding wanted to stop playing he could have simply resigned instead of playing a boneheaded move like that and making himself into a laughing stock.
      No one knows what's really troubling him, but if he doesn't snap out of it soon he won't be World Champion much longer.

  • @RaspberryRockOffGridCabin
    @RaspberryRockOffGridCabin 14 днів тому

    Yup, I've seen that exact move in puzzles dozens of times.

  • @sololegit
    @sololegit 20 днів тому +3

    I wish magnus or hikaru would reach out personally to ding. They knew more than anyone that something is off and they are all brothers fighting the same war. They are also maybe the only two on a list of people that know him and have the financial means to do something like fly him somewhere for help etc.

  • @mrmiller74
    @mrmiller74 23 дні тому +131

    It's incredibly strange if you keep your eyes on Ding's face throughout those final moves. There's is absolutely NO trace of a "whoops! What have I done!" moment whatsoever. He pushes the rook, watches that Magnus is going to take with the Queen, then instantly offers his hand. I don't know exactly why but it doesn't even look like it was a blunder. It just looks like he threw the game... Who knows what's going on with him but I hope he's okay on a personal level.

    • @raylopez99
      @raylopez99 23 дні тому +11

      Nah, I think Ding just has a poker face. Karpov once hung a piece and lost, it's happened before.

    • @luckysingh1988
      @luckysingh1988 23 дні тому

      You are doing mistake in front of five time world champion

    • @mrmiller74
      @mrmiller74 23 дні тому +10

      @@raylopez99 Yeah sure of course you can make a mistake. But that's not what I'm saying - Watch the video. Specifically watch Ding's face. There is absolutely no moment where you can even see a flick that he realises that he's made a mistake. It's almost robotic from start, i.e. pre rook move, to finish.

    • @mrnice00
      @mrnice00 23 дні тому +9

      @@mrmiller74 nah thats wrong - he just blundered. He insta realised checkmate when Magnus took a pawn with the queen, cause its not a typical move

    • @carljustin5323
      @carljustin5323 23 дні тому +28

      I think his lack of reaction just means whatever he’s going through is worse than we thought. He reached for the pen before handshaking so it clearly was a mistake. Any GM would have gasped or reacted strongly but his will to fight is so little he just doesn’t even react, doesn’t even care. Honestly it’s heartbreaking, and anyone who thinks this is funny and laughs at his expense, you’re a monster.

  • @manueldi2990
    @manueldi2990 20 днів тому +4

    0:15 looks like hes sitting in underwear and they blurred it 😂

  • @bartshade
    @bartshade 18 днів тому +1

    Great commentary. Thanks for putting this up!

  • @GeorgioSubs
    @GeorgioSubs 15 днів тому +9

    -500 social credit score for Ding.

  • @jimmyrustles7179
    @jimmyrustles7179 22 дні тому +7

    Ding no longer chillin', Ding feelin'

  • @bjorn7355
    @bjorn7355 23 дні тому +7

    Petrosian loss against Bronstein might be similar level blunder. 1956

    • @ulrichschmidt5559
      @ulrichschmidt5559 22 дні тому +2

      In the last game of the 1892 world championship, Chigorin (a great tactician) made a similar blunder, where he hung a mate-in-2 in a winning position. (Or actually: that mate was even simpler than the one Ding Liren missed here. Unexplainable, how an attacking player like Chigorin could miss that!)
      Another big blunder in a world championship match was when Marshall hung a piece against Lasker in the 1907 championship. (Similarly unexplainable, because Marshall as well was known as a great tactical player...)

  • @sanderliebrand7094
    @sanderliebrand7094 15 днів тому +1

    Over 1.5M views. Wow congrats! Well deserved. You have been at it for quite some time with very informative content and some great English humour in the mix. All of your content deserves this attention!

  • @neogamingfx
    @neogamingfx 16 днів тому

    Great commentary, thanks for the video

  • @denislejeune9218
    @denislejeune9218 23 дні тому +82

    Depression, to which (I bet) the Chinese Federation adds by pressuring him to play on. Is anyone talking to him at FIDE, or are his peers trying to have a chat and discuss what's going on? The guy needs help.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  23 дні тому +19

      yeah and i don't know

    • @denislejeune9218
      @denislejeune9218 23 дні тому +4

      @@epicchess2021 Mental health issues is becoming less of a taboo in other sports, like tennis or football for instance. It would be good to discuss it in chess. The world champion is mentally imploding and nothing seems to be done for him. It's painful to watch. Imagine if he committed suicide?!

    • @vlnow
      @vlnow 23 дні тому +41

      Imagine making a move so bad that you get offered mental health assistance.

    • @arightscepter
      @arightscepter 23 дні тому

      I wonder if a family member is dying or some unbearable life trouble of that sort?

    • @zvonimirtosic6171
      @zvonimirtosic6171 23 дні тому +4

      You are overblowing the situation with unreasonable scenarios. If that what you say is true, then all Grandmasters from the former Soviet Union should have needed extensive psychological help, but they were beating in chess everyone, worldwide. Any sportsman can suffer a prolonged period of stress due to personal (health) issues. After a long period of not playing, maybe Ding is going around tournaments because he decided he must, considering his world champion title, and also because he must restore confidence. He is not extrovert like Hikaru, who handless his stress behind "I don't care anyway" comments, which are utter nonsense and open lying to oneself. But Ding is a quiet man, true to himself, and for him this should be a slow process.

  • @tabularasa7711
    @tabularasa7711 23 дні тому +8

    i have watched this last part 4 times. and the comments say much. psychophysical display of emotions is there. wishing well to D

  • @retrogamerdave362
    @retrogamerdave362 16 днів тому

    That development in the middle game was crazy good, very impressive. Truly he's a champion

  • @chrism6209
    @chrism6209 14 днів тому

    Good narrative, thank you!

  • @user-qk5oi7xg1y
    @user-qk5oi7xg1y 20 днів тому +3

    Tal said of Fischer's winning 6-0 vs both Taimanov & Larsen: "Such a superiority in world championship events has never before been demonstrated by any contender for the chess crown." Still true of RJF today.

  • @dylanmason1867
    @dylanmason1867 23 дні тому +6

    i feel real bad for him like when ronnie was 3-1 down to stephen hendry shook hands and walked out the tourney thats what happened here , he needs some help best of luck ding

    • @TheVanillatech
      @TheVanillatech 18 днів тому

      So is there a cure for being immature and having a tantrum?

  • @TraderKentaro
    @TraderKentaro 20 днів тому

    It's a calculated move. Ding was probably thinking "just go out with a BANG"...!!!

  • @sandorkis8947
    @sandorkis8947 19 днів тому

    Reminds me of video games, when you know the game well, you will develop high percentage stategies, hits you before you know it, in short stategy planning is one of a thing.

  • @seanmacdude
    @seanmacdude 23 дні тому +5

    Another great video thanks for sharing, it's heart breaking to see Ding's meltdown, the guy needs a break to deal with his demons. From what people are saying he's a lovely bloke which makes it so sad, if it was Niemann I'd be laughing my head off

    • @paulievespucci6867
      @paulievespucci6867 16 днів тому

      What happened to Niemann after the cheating controversy? Did he won significant titles or anything?

    • @seanmacdude
      @seanmacdude 15 днів тому

      @@paulievespucci6867 He's actually playing quite well

  • @user-ul9oi7nx3q
    @user-ul9oi7nx3q 23 дні тому +15

    Ding needs to step out of the firing line, get his life together, and allow a Gukesh-Nakamura world championship match. Such a match would be torture for Ding; he surely doesn't need that. It's really sad.

    • @raylopez99
      @raylopez99 23 дні тому +1

      If Ding steps out it would be good for chess (Naka fans) but if Ding wins vs Gukesh it would be outrageous.

    • @lollycopter
      @lollycopter 21 день тому +2

      @@raylopez99 Ding is in no state to win or try to win it. He should take a proper break for several years and come back to fight for it when he's strong again. The match could really make his decline permanent if he tries to push through.

    • @wolfgangwiesinger9502
      @wolfgangwiesinger9502 20 днів тому

      Good idea, but to play means to earn money.

    • @lollycopter
      @lollycopter 12 днів тому

      @@wolfgangwiesinger9502 He was already ready to retire had he lost his match to Nepo. I suspect he's not as motivated by money like other players are.

  • @killasnipe_
    @killasnipe_ 20 днів тому

    The wild part was the commentator said minutes before it happened that it was a typical puzzle tactic he wouldnt fall for.

  • @tullfan2560
    @tullfan2560 23 дні тому

    It's easy to partition your mind into looking at the board as a certain pattern while missing another more obvious pattern.

  • @KiiroSagi
    @KiiroSagi 23 дні тому +88

    Really worried about Ding's mental health. He needs help, not just people laughing at him.

    • @diamondlion47
      @diamondlion47 23 дні тому +3

      This is like advanced mental yips or something, insane.

    • @fredysoto8547
      @fredysoto8547 23 дні тому +3

      @@diamondlion47 We are Human been my friend! Imagine you in his shoes and Magnus(the GOAT) sitting in front of You

    • @gkkkk7507
      @gkkkk7507 23 дні тому

      Hopefully He will get Help!

    • @Kay-jg6tf
      @Kay-jg6tf 23 дні тому +4

      At this point people aren't laughing at him, we feel sorry for him.
      It has to be said that Ding might be the nicest person in history, but he is just the worst WC (no explanation needed).

    • @raylopez99
      @raylopez99 23 дні тому +2

      @@Kay-jg6tf All the more interesting if he crushes Gukesh.

  • @Julian-AJCP
    @Julian-AJCP 23 дні тому +51

    Maybe he despises the game but is forced to play...and this is his form of protest.

    • @DauntlessPT
      @DauntlessPT 23 дні тому +14

      Yes, it could be. I think this is very weird

    • @write-only
      @write-only 23 дні тому +2

      Long wait for a protest.

    • @darthkek1953
      @darthkek1953 23 дні тому +11

      Maybe he doesn't hate Chess, but if he is being forced to play by the CCP perhaps there is something else going on.

    • @write-only
      @write-only 23 дні тому +3

      @@darthkek1953 that's some dystopian shit. And it's possible... I feel so bad for him, whatever the root cause.

    • @darthkek1953
      @darthkek1953 23 дні тому +3

      @@write-only China was always a dystopia, but it is a dystopia currently in economic freefall with absolutely no way to save it, even in theory. Bad years ahead.

  • @geraldomagellajunior
    @geraldomagellajunior 14 днів тому

    That was in fact EPIC CHESS, thank for the very entertaining narration.

  • @GNU_Linux_for_good
    @GNU_Linux_for_good 22 дні тому

    Ding is such a humble guy - I feel with him

  • @tremon3688
    @tremon3688 20 днів тому +5

    Plot twist: Ding computed every possible move from there on and all the posibilities ended up in checkmate, therefore ending the game as soon as possible

  • @compromisedssh
    @compromisedssh 23 дні тому +7

    No joke comment today. It's nearly 5 AM in my time zone and I cannot fall asleep due to some sketchy research chemicals that I bought from my DiDi driver. I'll just say this. Ding is playing like an idiot. It's true. You know what though? Everything fell into place for him to beat Nepo last year (and he truly played OUT OF HIS MIND to win that set), and no one can take his world championship away from him. Even if he falls to an 1800 rating over the next 10 years, you know what? He still held the title. I would personally lean into that outcome if I were Ding, trolling everyone I beat on my way to the crown and forcing Kramnick to launch the investigation to dwarf all other investigations.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  23 дні тому +2

      yeah you're right and danggg that's late!! I would say get some sleep but I guess that is the challenge right now lol. And yeah he still goes down in the hall of fame, no one can ever take that away form him tbf

    • @Omenify
      @Omenify 23 дні тому

      what did you take? or you dont know? lol

    • @readmycomment3707
      @readmycomment3707 23 дні тому

      you sound dumb

  • @angrydoge4038
    @angrydoge4038 17 днів тому

    With chess being a sport, this has to be the closest thing to an in-game injury

  • @The_Bashar
    @The_Bashar 16 днів тому

    What a rush?! Felt like i was watching *The Queen's Gambit,* again.
    Brilliant commentary

  • @rickshelley1287
    @rickshelley1287 18 днів тому +13

    Childhood pressure and high expectations from parents often show up later in a troubled and self-defeating adulthood.

  • @hnr63
    @hnr63 23 дні тому +6

    Lot of pressure on these top players - may be too much pressure and high expectations……

    • @aegontargeryan1499
      @aegontargeryan1499 23 дні тому

      I thought it was Magnus

    • @Xinder720
      @Xinder720 23 дні тому

      ...and that person ends up no longer enjoying the game of chess. It becomes a chore. I wonder if he's burned out.

  • @hockysa
    @hockysa 20 днів тому

    "Dingo's Bishop" sounds like it could be the name of a new opening.

  • @robinsinpost
    @robinsinpost 22 дні тому

    Even I could see the mate.
    That says a lot.

  • @flfun2no
    @flfun2no 23 дні тому +9

    It was prophetic that you called him Ding Losen yesterday!

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  23 дні тому +15

      yeah at first I thought I was gonna crack jokes today but then I really couldn't, can't kick a man when he's down

    • @Godwinsname
      @Godwinsname 23 дні тому

      @@epicchess2021 Good.

    • @lollycopter
      @lollycopter 21 день тому

      @@epicchess2021 He's been down since at least January really, but I'm glad more people are starting to realise the seriousness of his situation. Depression has been cited, but I think it's worse than that - I think it's PASC (which can also cause symptoms of depression).

  • @Pontiki1977
    @Pontiki1977 19 днів тому +6

    Video titles are becoming ten times more dramatic every day that passes.

    • @chiggsytube
      @chiggsytube 19 днів тому +1

      I wont click if it has the patttern of overdrama

  • @blurtling
    @blurtling 16 днів тому

    Great explainer, thank you

  • @arturasurbonas4262
    @arturasurbonas4262 9 днів тому

    Never saw sucrificing queen for check mate before. On this level amazing Magnus goat

  • @Norwegian733
    @Norwegian733 23 дні тому +10

    Your headings are a bit over the top. And we have "seen anything like this before" when Nepo bundered against Carlsen in the WC. Other than that, I love your channel.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  23 дні тому +4

      thanks a lot and yeah little embellished at times though I like to thing usually standing on some truth when I write titles!

    • @Norwegian733
      @Norwegian733 23 дні тому +2

      @@epicchess2021 Thanks for the reply. And I agree that there is some truth to it as it was shocking.
      But again, I love your channel 🙂

    • @bambesfresser
      @bambesfresser 23 дні тому +2

      Nepo blundered but he didn't blunder mate in two.

    • @ForstHeld
      @ForstHeld 23 дні тому +2

      Nepo isnt world champion

    • @chrisf5828
      @chrisf5828 23 дні тому +1

      Nepo incident not comparable

  • @segercliffhanger
    @segercliffhanger 23 дні тому +3

    That was that, for a clash of the titans. Gladiator Ding swings his sword at Carlsen but it slips from his hand, and in the same movement the World Champion catches himself in his own net. We follow the sword until it lands in Rensch's heart.
    When Carlsen gives you that look, you know you're not staying up late to watch the lions.

  • @sevenseven6123
    @sevenseven6123 16 днів тому

    not even remotely into chess tournaments, barely playing chess. but your style was very refreshing, well done

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  16 днів тому

      Thanks a lot for the feedback really appreciate it

  • @brianclark3503
    @brianclark3503 13 днів тому

    Magnus puts so much pressure on his opponents that they do, sometimes, crack under the strain. He is the lethal combination of Fischer and Karpov that GM Kasparov credits him to be. And he is a sportsman as well.

  • @lostandfound2893
    @lostandfound2893 23 дні тому +4

    Man that is absolutely crushing. I feel bad for Ding - zero chance he gets back on form to defend his title.

    • @anthonyschlott916
      @anthonyschlott916 23 дні тому +2

      No such thing as 'zero chance' when there is still 5 whole months left between us and November.

    • @lostandfound2893
      @lostandfound2893 23 дні тому

      @@anthonyschlott916 1% chance then lol

  • @konachan01
    @konachan01 23 дні тому +7

    Ding has some serious demons hanging over him. He is in no shape to be playing any chess competitively at the moment.

  • @benlong1062
    @benlong1062 14 днів тому

    This video format is awesome, really entertaining and short enough to be able to watch before going to work. Thanks!

  • @ansonjimmy9129
    @ansonjimmy9129 19 днів тому

    Absolutely great clip and commenting
    Thx

  • @jobson586
    @jobson586 23 дні тому +6

    Something is not right with Ding. Went missing for months after winning the World Title and has been playing sub 2500 chess since. FIDA needs to have a chat with this 100% out of form World Champion to rebuild the Brand.

    • @lollycopter
      @lollycopter 21 день тому

      He has just fallen off Perpetual Check's 12 Months average performance list, so yeah; you're probably right about his recent performances being

  • @anvb5a1
    @anvb5a1 19 днів тому +6

    So what? A brainfart can happen to anyone!

    • @jaybee4288
      @jaybee4288 17 днів тому +4

      Shouldnt happen to a world champion with time on the clock. He has a different level of brain than you have, on a different level of thinking. So no, shouldn’t happen to him really.

    • @anvb5a1
      @anvb5a1 17 днів тому +3

      @@jaybee4288 "shouldn't" ... yeah but he is still a human, it CAN happen! Can a pro race driver miss a turn? Can a pro runner fall? Abso-fucken-lootely!

    • @Mystipaoniz
      @Mystipaoniz 17 днів тому

      @@anvb5a1 yes, you're right. But...we can't say anything because we're not in his head. It's all speculations. So you could be wrong. He could be right. Who knows? Speculations are like that ^^

    • @AdoptedPoo
      @AdoptedPoo 14 днів тому

      @@jaybee4288 bro it happens to math lecturers, you can get brain fart after doing some next level thinking all the time. i dont get how thatsa foreign concept.

  • @jforrester1208
    @jforrester1208 20 днів тому +2

    He missed a two foot put. It happens.

  • @nordattack
    @nordattack 19 днів тому

    That's simply what we call a "boo, boo."

  • @ccdev
    @ccdev 22 дні тому +9

    If Ding doesn't perform, he's gonna end up in a rural farm in some 2 bit small town in China.

    • @sanseverything900
      @sanseverything900 20 днів тому +1

      and -2500 social credits.

    • @lerikhkl
      @lerikhkl 16 днів тому

      @@sanseverything900 Stop regurgitating neoliberal propaganda, social credits are basically non-existent in China. Meanwhile credit scores control the lives of US citizens

  • @TomLiberman
    @TomLiberman 23 дні тому +3

    He played the move out of order. Rb2 was the move intended after h6. The engine has it slightly white but black is under a lot of pressure even if Ding makes the moves in the correct order. I also thought it was a transmission error at the moment. It's a terrible situation for sure.

  • @Bangoloff
    @Bangoloff 16 днів тому

    I am below a beginner, have no clue about strategy at all..... you did a great job describing the moves, what could have been moved, why they moved it, and what the possible outcomes could have been.... Great work! The Right side of that board was so heavy for Ding, and he.... didn't defend it seemed. good job describing, that was intense and enjoyable!

  • @SP-tf2zn
    @SP-tf2zn 13 днів тому

    the commentary provided here is excellent. everything explained super clearly and great for teaching.

  • @ETBrooD
    @ETBrooD 21 день тому +4

    This exact same thing has happened to Fischer as well. He played a rookie move that lost him the bishop and the game. It can happen to anyone.
    Hopefully Ding is alright after this and in general. I wish him the best of things and I hope he keeps his head up :)

    • @wloonie
      @wloonie 19 днів тому

      Not this way, and it wasn't really the rookie move. Yes, Spassky won the bishop but the real point was the pawn activity for white which Fischer miscalculated (counting error, probably).

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 19 днів тому +1

      Not even close! Fischer blundered a bishop for several pawns in a very complicated endgame. Try plugging in the game to Stockfish and find the easy win. Let me help you in advance - you won't find a win. The move was 29... Bxh2 in the Spassky match game 2 after which stockfish 16.1 evaluates the position as a mere +0.7 advantage for white at 28 depth. After white's response 30. g3 trapping the bishop the evaluation changes to +0.2. Unclear at best but more likely drawn with best play. Ding on the other hand blundered mate in two.
      This is why you shouldn't be repeating whatever nonsense you hear.

  • @bobxyzp
    @bobxyzp 18 днів тому +5

    Magnus letting someone weaker than him be the champ and then still dominating is just cruel.

  • @thedudegotfourviews
    @thedudegotfourviews 18 днів тому

    I guess he heard "Ding ding ding"! In that last move.

  • @81banga
    @81banga 16 днів тому

    All of 10 people are speechless.

  • @ross4814
    @ross4814 23 дні тому +17

    I am feeling such sorrow for Ding, not like this.

  • @brianmccormick8328
    @brianmccormick8328 23 дні тому +3

    Ding may never recover from this.

  • @Xanrax
    @Xanrax 15 днів тому

    Thank you so much for just getting into the game with minimal fluff. great video and it's nice to see these Gods we place on the pantheon are still mortal after all.

  • @revenant2979
    @revenant2979 16 днів тому

    I have to commend you for the colorful commentary. It felt like I was watching a Premiership Match with all the metaphors "pony" "clergyman"...very entertaining and insitefull. Thank you so much! From 🇿🇦

  • @john-toregundersen2655
    @john-toregundersen2655 23 дні тому +4

    Ding is a good guy, feel sorry for him

  • @hughtube5154
    @hughtube5154 22 дні тому +5

    If you know snooker, this is like the Masters final where Ding Junhui just started hitting balls without lining up the shot or thinking. His brain was fried and he wanted out of there, being outplayed by O'Sullivan was too much.
    Sticking with the snooker analogy, Ding Liren's plight reminds me of James Wattana after the King of Thailand gave him that golden cue to win the world title. His form tanked after, he lost his attacking game and couldn't handle the pressure.

  • @katzensprung7449
    @katzensprung7449 20 днів тому

    Feel sorry for Ding, he is such a great player and likeable person. I wish him all the best!! Excellent commentary btw. Thank you! Just subscribed😀.

  • @NRG2
    @NRG2 16 днів тому

    I just started playing chess but I intuitively do some of the things you mentioned! You said “take care of the knight before you push the pawns” and I thought of some recent games where that was def happening naturally. Very reassuring actually because I’m teaching myself 👍