The Greatest Rivalry that Never Existed
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Before you comment, No hate intended to either side. They both exceptional in their respective ways. This video is looking over the popular rivalry narrative that some chess fans hold...
no hate intended....... *cherry picks on paper statistics* LOL (I know Magnus's achievements are indisputably greater than Hikaru's in chess, Hikaru says this aswell, however Hikaru posses a challenge to Magnus in more time controls than anyone else)
popular narrative? I'm guessing from Hikaru's streams, not from the wider chess fans
It's fun though 😂
Magnus is Magnus.. Magnus cannot be compared with anyone (also not hikaru) ..
Sure body
nobody has ever considered this a rivalry the way you're describing it (ala Nadal v Federer and Messi v Ronaldo). Magnus is way ahead of the rest. If anything, there is a rivalry between Nakamura and Caruana for second place/best US player.
naka vs fabi is a heavily underrated rivalry
In recent times ? Maybe
Overall? Fabi is level above hikaru, it is not even remotely close lol
But naka kinda owns fabi@@JustAPokemonCommentingOnVideos
@@slayerxyz2463naka has beaten fabi in candidates and Norway. It is a close rivalry
@@slayerxyz2463 Only if you are considering classical chess in the past.. Recently in classical Hikaru has gotten the better of fabi.
They are rivals in a category called "Who's the most popular chess player today"
Gothamchess
@@sequinmichellefootdoggy622 On youtube? Yes. Overall? No.
My grandma would know who Carlsen is, but would have no idea about nakamura
@@D0rlisokthat would depend in where you leave , magnus is not that famous i have asked many persons out of curiosity and nobody knows who magnus carlsen is (tho many knew who Kasparof was)
Chess seems more popular than ever due to the internet, but that’s misleading. In terms of mainstream appeal/knowledge of players it peaked in the 90’s with Kasparov and that IBM stuff. More people on the street remember Deep Blue than know of Karlssen.
Nobody seriously thinks Magnus has any rivals, but you’ll always see it because they need people to watch. Without the appearance that Magnus could MAYYYYYBE lose, nobody would watch because we already know Magnus is most likely going to win.
Cept Hans 🤣
Braindead@@bencheevers6693
You talk like magnus wins all of his tournaments
@@yusufyusuf1998 majority of the time, he does
Hikaru does rival Magnus in online speed chess formats.
Let's put it this way:
1.Magnus
2.Late Magnus
3.Drunk Magnus
4.Caruana/Hikaru
DRUNK MAGNUS > LATE MAGNUS🙆
Let's fix this:
1. Drunk Magnus
2. Late Magnus
3. Magnus
4. Fabiano Marijuana
5. Hikky "I don't care" Nakamura
5: blind Magnus (if Fabi and Hikaru are in a bad day, he can fight for the 4th)
go back to playing 600 elo games kid
What about Shirtless Magnus?
The only rivalry between Magnus and Hikaru is which one GothamChess loves more.
Levy once said Anish
He would be the receiver of any of them
It's the rivalry for which will win his hand in marriage
That late night matchup gave Nakamura just as much of an opportunity to study Magnus’ chess as it gave Magnus to study Nakamura’s chess.
But Magnus its more talented
The reasoning (though I think it is a bit flawed) is that Magnus has been THE chess player, better than everyone else in every single part of the game from beginning to end and playing varied openings. Hikaru has been described as a more wild card type of player where he will pull out unexpected wins despite being weaker (only when you compare to other top 5 players) in opening variety/midgame. Get used to what the wild card pulls out and he becomes easier to beat.
That matchup did few things:
Magnus learnt Hikaru’s weaknesses
Hikaru learnt that Magnus has no weakness
@@batcrow6224 Make sense
the main thing that he mentioned is magnus got a better idea of which types of positions hikaru struggles in as well as his opening weakness, and based on that answer i think its pretty safe to say that magnus won an overwhelming majority of the matches which probably means hikaru couldnt take much away from how to beat magnus from the games they played. Is it cope? absolutely, he wouldnt be anywhere near magnus no matter what in real otb events. To say that they got the same advantage though is debatable.
just gotta repost Maguns' paraphrase (15:24).
1) Magnus
2) No Rivals
3) Hikaru
This is exactly why this video exists. People think Hikaru is the next best player after Magnus this generation but in reality, he's like 3-4 after Fabi, Levon and early 2010s Vishy.
@@Navin4061 hikaru is above fabi in rating and in skill
@@Dmgx32 you have to be joking fabi is way better in classical
@@Dmgx32he isnt in classic. Even Magnus said Fabiano is better then Hikaru
@@HexxuSzHikaru just became the second highest rated player surpassing Fabiano a couple days ago.
To characterize anyone as Magnus' rival would be silly. Using the tennis example, Roger Federer ended with 20 Grand Slams, Rafa with 22, and Novak (unmentioned but relevant) with 24 and possibly more to come.
In 2009, Magnus won his first World Championship (Blitz).
Magnus has 5 Classical, 5 Rapid, and 7 Blitz World Chess Championships.
"Rivals" in the same 2009-Present timeframe.
- Vishy Anand has 1 Classical and 1 Rapid.
- Sergey Karjakin has 1 Rapid and 1 Blitz.
- Alexander Grischuk has 2 Blitz.
- Ding Liren has 1 Classical, which he wouldn't have been eligible to compete for if Magnus chose to defend.
- 7 other players have 1 Rapid OR Blitz championship.
- Hikaru, and for that matter Fabi and Nepo have 0 World championships of any format.
This means that across all 3 formats since 2009, Magnus has 17 championships, and the entire rest of the field has 14.
Really puts it into perspective how far ahead of everyone else he is
Anand has 5 classical
@@arjunbt9580 But not while Magnus was active. Lasker has more too, but you wouldn't compare him, as his achievements are from a different era.
@@arjunbt9580 agreed -- but I limited the timeframe to "after Magnus' first championship" so that it wouldn't be counting the time Magnus hadn't yet fully come into himself. To go back to the tennis example, it wouldn't be fair to compare 1998 Federer to 1998 Djokovic or Nadal. They weren't in the same league yet.
Hikaru has 1 Fisher random world championship, Wesley has 1 as well . Just to be precise
"One of the craziest nights in chess history"
*literally just two dudes playing chess*
I was on birthday parties that were like this and I did not even play back then 😭 (one of the guys now has a higher rating than levy lol)
Rivals in terms of biggest stars in chess. But Magnus is way ahead of everyone not jsut Hikaru.
only player who was close to Magnus was Peak Fabiano
Even then magnus was better by a considerable margin
@@varadsalunkhe9008 well, Magnus himself admited that Fabbi was close. They drew every single classic game in 2018, and Magnus only won on tie-breaks.
@@dimadimonchyk4696 Fabi was also 4 elo points away from surpassing Magnus during that match as well. Literally if Magnus lost one game it would've ruined the 7 year+ #1 rank streak he had at that time. Was a good time to be a chess fan
@@dimadimonchyk4696 Karjakin actually took the lead against Carlsen in classical, and had less losses in the rapid tiebreaks compared to Caruana.
It took the best year Fabi has ever had and the worst year for magnus, and even then Magnus came out on top.
@@disrupt94 Thats actually crazy, it took PEAK fabi and the worst year for magnus just for him to still win it
I think Hikaru dominates the online chess sphere and that’s what is most commonly displayed through his content so it gives the viewers a skewed perspective of his standing vs magnus. It’s not close over the board, but Hikaru is actually very competitive with Magnus online iirc
their match score is still positive for Magnus by a good bit, though.
@@Anony492 not in bullet and blitz
@@RealChuckNorris comparing bullet chess is like judging a swimmer by their skills to initially dive into a pool
Daniel Naroditsky is amongst the "world best at bullet" but is nowhere in any other format
@@Matthew-bu7fg cry
@@Matthew-bu7fg that's super not fair actually of a comparison, each mode measures different talents which are all still very important puzzle solving components. magnus being by far the best at puzzle solving complexity doesn't mean that he automatically should be credited for being the best at processing information the quickest and most efficiently.
Nakamura was never part of the conversation, he didnt even face him once in the Worldchampionship, i dont get why they even talk about this
because he is popular and at times he had a rivalry, but only on online blitz tournaments, saw many finals between these two.
But statiscally speaking it was never close.
Because Hikaru is the only other player who is arguably better than Magnus at anything to do with chess, which is online blitz/bullet.
That most viewers of chess see this format the most amplifies the effect beyond what it is actually worth.
@@Oldlard hikaru isnt better than magnus on online blitz and bullet , it is where hikaru is closest but he isnt better , maguns beats him by far in head up matches in both formats
There is no rivalry between these two, Magnus is just way ahead of everyone ... just imagine magnus wakes up drunk , play a tournament with probably half the prep anyone did or even less, and yet crush everyone lol
@@felopateer1Hikaru had 5 consecutive speed chess titles
@@felopateer1 nothing you said contradicts what i said. not sure why you posted.
I think you just didn't understand that when Hikaru's fans or people call this as a rivalry, is mainly just because that they're undoubtedly the biggest stars in chess, one gained fame from his chess accolades, one from streaming so the viewership always skyrockets more than anyone else. Most of them are jokes too. Nobody in their right mind, not even me a Hikaru's fan, has ever mentioned that they're very close in terms of skills and achievements. 😂
Edit: Plus, they always seem to have this fervent intensity and passion to beat each other for years, so people are even more pumped up whenever they're matched up.
"we are simply better than the others" ~magnus
There is absolutely no rivarly, Hikaru loves to see people think like that though.
Making shaky assumptions about what strangers on the internet think and feel is one of the dumbest things one can do
He does though, you can tell and it makes sense. If people think he’s on Magnus’ level it gets him more viewers and mainstream interest. Not so many people will sub to “2nd place and so far behind the best it’s ridiculous to even mention me in the same breath as him” so this narrative they’re on the same level only benefits his streaming career, which is seemingly his main source of income these days.
@@jaybee4288 ُTotally correct! The first reply is from someone who doesn't use their brain.
@@maloxi1472i see you don't have a clue about hikaru's fragile ego. You seem new to chess
Whenever Hikaru is asked, He always confirm that Magnus is a level above him.
There are some things that are funny to hear as a chess player/fan... like those claims that "Magnus plays psychological chess, like when he shows up late". Dude.... the only "psychological" thing that happens there is he is able to get twenty extra minutes of sleep. This doesn't affect the opponent, a professional chess player, AT ALL.
exactly... this probably actually gives the opponents more of an psychological advantage since they know they're starting out with a massive time advantage.
so, you've never played chess before huh.
@@MaxIronsThird I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be bothered at all if I started off with a time advantage against my opponent... obviously it would give me a better chance to win the game. I guess you would rather be the one down time though, since you think it gives a psychological advantage
@@Anony492 What if your oponent gets to a game late, burning half his time, then starts blitzing out every move, by move 20, you're basically matched on time and on the board, and guess what, he's way higher rated than you.
Also, you had to just sit there waiting for minutes for him to come and play the game, it's disrespectful.
He's basically saying that he doesn't need the time, to win against you and it also makes it awkward for you, bc you don't want your oponent to lose, just bc he was late, something might have happened to him, well at least that's how top level players feel.
@@MaxIronsThird being outplayed over the board has nothing to do with psychology. If you have a massive time advantage and are unable to convert it that just means your opponent was better than you, not that they were good at "psychological chess"
Because Hikaru became a popular streamer, and had skills that normal people thought could beat Magnus. But it’s mostly because people that occasionally watch chess don’t know even top players who are more skilled
Name top players who are more skilled than hikaru besides fabiano and magnus
@@OwenTan2 Nepo, formerly ding, Pragg, Nordirbek, the upcoming indian players. He hasn’t even faced Magnus in the chess champions candidates grand finals. And everytime he plays magnus it isn’t even close, disregarding short time matches.
@@freddie4682 nepo , ding liren are on par with hikaru imo, not better. Nordibek, maybe in a couple of years. Fabi is factually better.
@@foldedcandle Rankings doesn't tell the entire story. Hikaru has lost to plenty of people at Candidates.
@@OwenTan2 Fair, tough to say. It's pretty gray considering not many has gotten to the finals. But Nordirbek has beaten Hikaru
Magnus and Hikaru’s rivalry reminds me of Anquetil and Poulidor in 1960’s cycling world. Anquetil won the Tour de France 5 times, Poulidor never did and was 2nd 3 times and 3rd 5 times, but Poulidor was the people’s champion, the most popular rider of the race at the time.
Magnus far more popular than Hikaru in anything but UA-cam/twitch though. Mainly because he doesn’t focus on it.
@@jaybee4288Yes we are talking on UA-cam though, so the voices you hear are inevitable screwed in a direction
Everyone knows magnus is a head than the rest top players especially in classical, but in rapid and blitz event where people more likely to watch, both often face eachother in final match or in the decider match of the event champion. I think this is the reason why. And i think magnus has a psychology advantage over hikaru since long time ago, because he always play worse than usual when he has to play magnus. But i think he realized this so he adapted and improved his mentality differently nowadays.
Nah, even in rapid magnus is far ahead to hikaru. The margin in blitz is closer though.
Its because 1000s elo players and below see hikaru as the king of chess without seeing that magnus is the reigning god
Magnus vs Hikaru is like the Jon Jones vs Daniel Comier of chess except one guy didn't pop for steroids this time.
Nah Jones and Cormier are close in skill and have comparable resumes, did u even watch this video?
I've never heard anyone claim there to be a rivalry between Magnus and Hikaru. Hikaru is very strong - he's a super-GM - but Magnus is an all-time great. Magnus will be remembered alongside legends like Kasparov, Fischer and Capablanca.
This is considered a rivalry in the same sense that Goku vs Vegeta is considered a rivalry
But it's not entirely analogous. Unlike Vegeta, Hikaru was never better than Carlsen, while the Vegeta was far ahead of everyone else in the beginning, until he was overpowered.
except everyone loves vegeta. hikaru is a pos.
@@mr.anti-hero4398 Vegeta was also stronger than Goku for 24 hours after leaving the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to fight Cell, since he got in before Goku. Got completely outclassed again right after that, though.
lol ultra ego vs mui is debatable
comparing magnus to hikaru is like comparing messi to neymar
@@han-sooyoungatleast messi and neymar was comparable at 2014-2017,even ney at 2017 was better than messi imo,at 2015 even though messi won ballon dor he was at the same level as neymar or ronaldo not better not worse
you spoke the humbling truth to all Hikaru fans
These documentaries are GOOOOD keep going dude ❤
Magnus has been on a diff level compared to all contemporaries...Only rivalry exists in Hikaru and his fans imagination.
Very good video man!
I think the double bongcloud draw was an important moment for Hikaru. It showed that Magnus finally started respecting him as a competitor. He wouldn't joke around like that with just anyone in a real game
True
I also think it was important for Hikaru in a different way. I think the pandemic was super helpful to Hikaru's ability to just chill out and not take everything so deadly serious all the time. An earlier incarnation of Hikaru with the chip on his shoulder might have gotten upset rather than laughed about it.
@@gcollins1992I wouldn’t say that because he DEFINITELY took that bullet chess championship personal though. He freaked out on Alireza, gave a big glimpse on before pandemic Hikaru.
magnus said it best at one point when somebody was comparing the two of em. just look at the results. hikaru is one of the best speed chess players, but magnus still outperforms him even in speed chess
Hikaru and magnus should be close rivals in bligz iirc
They are not though
Magnus is far ahead
Lmao not even close
yeah nvm i was high when i made that comment
3am braincells
only player who has a legit claim to have a real rivalery with Magnus is Fabiano
Yes!!
nakamura beat fabi so many times naka and magnus is greatest riivalry
Prime Fabiano was a beast at that time but such a pity he had to encounter against prime Magnus
@@nimitsharma4476 you must have negative knowlage. Fabiano is the only player who has basically gotten to one game difference in terms of rating (2835 vs 2832 in 2018). Has been world no. 2 for the longest and has played most games with Magnus. Not to mention he is the only player to never lose a classical game against Magnus in the world championship (Nakamura was unable to qualify) and was basically on the verge of beating him. Fabiano clears Nakamura
@@julianpuscikowski that might be true but fabiano has been losing to nakamura on both classical and blitz time formats especially fabiano are currently on a losing streak in classical (he already lost 4/5 times to hikaru in recent years), so saying him clear nakamura is not 100% correct since nakamura play in recent years have been improving compared to fabiano.
great video!
the way magnus put it: his tier, then below his tier, thenanother tier, nakamura.
Magnus is a man with many Rivals but no Equals.
Rivals are usually supposed to be close to equal. Magnus has many opponents but none are equals is a better phrase
You got my sub broh. This was good.
Well, technically Hikaru has achieved a world championship, if we count the fischer random world championships he has won. Although, only the 2022 one was under FIDE.
you can't christen something a "world championship" that was essentially a closed shop between about 6 players
Fischer random cannot be counted as a formal tournament as its more of a fun game than a serious fide bonafide tournament, due to the fischer random’s randomness it completely disqualify it self as a fair and competitive tournament. Thats like saying toy race car driving is equivalent to f1 racing
Magnus is a league of his own
thanks for the summary off the information :)
Nice video, great storyteling
3:15 the interpretation of this tweet is kinda inaccurate since I believe at the time it was created Magnus already established himself as Hikaru’s superior and already had a massive lead in h2h so I doubt Hikaru thought he could come out “on top” in their “rivarly”
Magnus is way ahead that no one can rival him 😶
Hikaru regretting the 40 blitz games because Magnus took the opportunity to understand his playing style, means he couldn't take the opportunity himself to understand Magnus's play. This speaks volumes, Hikaru is a tactician, Magnus a strategist; or Hikaru focuses on his own play, Magnus learns how to destroy the opponent.
Now recently with Magnus learning from poker and reinventing openings from zero etc, he's doing that because he's virtually without competition, and he can try to understand chess itself outside of theory or competitors.
Edit: case and point, Hikaru says he lost because he played suboptimal sidelines, means he thinks you only win with the best "orthodox" theory, safe main lines, and you win when you force the game to a position where you know for sure you're winning, from memory. Magnus plays mad gambits and sacrifices to go into the uncharted, and thinks actively of a plan in that position. He just calculates better than everybody, so if all are equally in an unknown position, he will win because his trump card is not on the board. It's the meta, the social/diplomatic side of the game, like in poker. Suboptimal play draws others into errors and you can capitalise on that. It puts you to the risk of a temporarily worse position, so it's your responsibility to manage to get something out of the gambit, and to gambit only as much as you understand how to resolve the position in your favour. Eg a complex middlegame, out of theory, where you set up a fork and you win material, paid off, all by your merit.
You’re deeping it too much. It’s just an excuse Hikaru made up because of his fragile ego. He had as much of an opportunity to understand Magnus’ playing style as Magnus had to understand his. He is just the worse player out of the two, I doubt their score (14-1) would be any different without that match.
This is a great video on some history I never knew about. Fantastic stuff!
Best friends off the court, sworn enemies on it
Strongest chess player in history vs strongest chess player of today
Great video, deserves more views...
It seems like a rivalry because Magnus has said several times that he and Hikaru are better than the others. Magnus is just the best. Magnus dropped the world title rather than grind through another bout with Nepo…he would have played if it was against Hikaru. They just have a strange relationship like that.
You sound so delusional hanging on to some love story between Nakamura and Magnus 😂 Magnus has said before he hates the format of the world chess championship and he also does not feel motivated to compete in it, how would hikaru motivate him to compete as opposed to Ian Nepo? Makes no sense at all.
and yes, Magnus is different, he is like the beloved of Caissa, he has a serious and big motivation to play chess with all his presence and spirit, that's the difference between Magnus and all other players
That thumbnail is hilarious 😶
You make awesome video's dude
Thank you🙏
Shocking to see that there are people who think Magnus has a rival💀
The Machine vs The Calculator is always A good watch
I was 2nd best athlete and 2nd best at soccer at school, I hated the kid who was better than me. It's 30 years later and I still hate him.
This one of the best documentaries I've watched on ch3ss.
They considered this a rivalry just because one is very good and famous and the other is very famous and good..
Bro no one is comparable to Magnus top 10, but both Hikaru and Magnus are really popular right now.
"udder" lmao
Hikaru must be the chess world champion atleast once
The only thing holding Magnus back from winning tournaments when he doesn’t win them (which is rare) his mindset is horrible and that is when he makes mistakes. Ever since he got a girlfriend he comfortably won Norway Chess with no one really coming in close.
The only reason people even talk of a "rivalry" is because they are both the most popular players. It's definitely not because Hikaru is comparable to Magnus as a player in classical chess. Hikaru has just never been a top player in classical. He's a lot better now that he's chilling a lot more, but still nowhere near Magnus.
Blitz? Sure, they're about even and miles ahead of the rest.
Maybe online Blitz. But over the board blitz hikaru just isn’t good at.
One of my earliest memories in the chess community was watching Levy recap the Meltwater finals. I had no clue their history and I know the classical score is incredibly lopsided, but in rapid and blitz it’s so awesome to see them play. I love watching them and they will always be rivals in my eyes, especially since the new Hikaru is a different breed according to him.
Magnus never had rivals overall. Magnus vs Hikaru is a rivalry only in blitz and bullet, especially in online chess.
One thing that never quite made sense to me with the 40 game match between the two: Hikaru continually talks about the weaknesses exposed in his own game, but never anything he learned about Magnus's weaknesses. It always comes up like Magnus tricked Hikaru into revealing something otherwise hidden. But they were both full participants. Why didn’t Hikaru gain anything from playing Magnus?
If the answer is, "Magnus was already more solid and could focus on more information than Hikaru," then how was the aftermath anything but inevitable already?
Well, maybe it accelerated the process of Magnus figuring out Hikaru and really getting the better of him, whereas before, Hikaru could use more bluffs and tricks without Magnus being 100% able to capitalize on them? I dunno, just theorizing.
Excelling in the game is one thing while taking it to masses is another. Hikaru took chess to masses and that’s the difference.
to be honest, naka, fabi, wesley so, karjakin, and maxime lagrave are all pretty much the same skill level and tied for second (although if we talk at their peak fabi is clearly the next best, generally speaking he is on the same level as many of the others, especially if you include other time controls, which i am counting for my argument)
flashback to the deletion of that "carlsen-nakamura rivalry" wikipedia page
Messi vs Ronaldo is a force debate. Better goal ratio, World Cup, 8 ballon dor >>>>
I don't think anybody compares them as a rivalry in classical
Carlsen to Nakamura in chess is like Redbull to Ferrari in F1.
2nd best is the most hotly contested spot because number 1 is just too far ahead
Great video bro, keep it up
Rivals in terms of being the most popular chess figures of all time
They are rivals in terms of very fast online formats, like the speed chess championship - as their score shows. Not really close beyond that.
Magnus is undertaker of chess
Fabiano : shawn michaels
Hikaru : hhh
Hikaru robbed us from a thriller WCC.
Magnus is clearly numero uno. But his respect for Nakamura alone shows that hes likely his biggest rival. regardless of who is Magnus's biggest rival, Hikaru is a fucking legend.
@thecheckmatecorner Why didn't you talk about Nakamura's 5 straight Speed Chess Championships?
2018 - Defeated Wesley So
2019 - Defeated Wesley So
2020 - Defeated Maxime Vachier-Lagrave, who defeated Magnus Carlsen
2021 - Defeated Wesley So
2022 - Defeated Magnus Carlsen
Hikaru's problem is mental, he can beat anyone when he's not overly emotionally invested; that's why he tanks when facing Magnus
Could say the exact same thing about anyone, including Magnus. You can’t just blame every single loss hikaru has on his mental state. Sometimes there’s just players he gets beat by their style, and sometimes he matches well against others styles.
A Messi Ronaldo in chess in my eyes is Karpov Kasparov
The only one name dropped by magnus was fabiano, everyone else doesnt matter
Only naka thinks he’s Magnus‘s nemesis. Magnus always struggles to be diplomatic assessing naka’s chess talent as he won’t say how weak or inferior he thinks naka against him really is.
could’ve done this video and sent the same message without bashing on hikaru my goat. I already know magnus is leagues ahead of hikaru but the clips of hikaru premoving 12 moves ahead of a checkmate, calling it out every time, is what brought me to this game. I get ur trying to explain to the ppl who don’t know, but could’ve been said in a more positive way
Heres the thing, Hikaru will always eventually face Magnus, so hell loose, chess is different as it is way more consistant and mechanical than football, so its very very likely that the best wins everything, while the others will never win until they manage to surpass the best.
When Magnus is so far ahead of everyone, the people he spends the most time with are the only ones that can be considered rivals. Chess is very different especially when you have someone like Magnus
Hikaru is S rank while Magnus is SSS rank. While IMs are A rank and the rest of us are F ranks.
For me, the closest who has been to Magnus for years is Fabiano, but the thing is, even they weren’t close. Magnus is the goat
Hikaru's infamy and egging on this rivalry via tweets kept it alive more than it should be.
I think the intended rivalry between Nakamura and Magnus, was only in the fast time controls, despite that Magnus won a real fast world champs many times, over Nakamura who didn't win a single one, despite that, Nakamura is known as one of the best speed players (blitz and bullet and maybe also rapid) .. so, think fans and followers know very well that Magnus is one of the GOATs, or maybe he is the absolute GOAT, in all formats, also in the chess titles .. don't think, even Nakamura fans think Nakamura is better than Magnus in the overal chess, especially the classic one ...
All these ppl calling hikaru is not a rival but I want him to do something crazyyyyyyyyy before his downline starts.
I believe the ending statement 🤣 sounds like some shit I'd do
if we being real magnus has no real rivals hes so dominant and far ahead of everyone else no one ever came close one big reason why the biggest rivalry he had was hikaru was because he was one of the more popular player that wasnt magnus hes american then has a really fun playstyle to watch hes also the one that can atleast push magnus to some good games on blitz and bullet while fabi looked really good on classical vs magnus if anything it should be hikaru and fabi that have a rivalry both are US players and are fighting for world no 2 spot
Bro forgets speed chess 😂 69 moves. Ahead
It's not a real rivalry bc it's clear who the real best chess player in the world is: my boy Levy AKA GothamChess
im suprise by the amount of subscribers you have i would have expected much more as this is a good quality video.
Could Hikaru not have done the same thing to Magnus? Analyze his weaknesses during those 40 games and take advantage of them?
My exact thought
Hikaru says that Magnus doesn't really have any weaknesses, so while those 40 games enabled Magnus to better understand Hikaru's weaknesses with openings they didn't really provide Hikaru with any useful information to compensate.
Magnus is definitely a genius, but Hikaru is simply in top level and he is not a genius.
Hikaru will never be a true rival unless they finally meet in the world championship finals.
there were greater rivalries in chess like karpov - kasparov, tal - botvinnik, capablanca - alekhine, magnus closest "rival" is peak nepo
Probably peak Caruana. When Caruana is locked in, he's unbeatable against anyone in the world. See his Sinquefield Cup win or how he drew every classical game against Magnus in the world championship. There's a reason why he was nicknamed "The Machine". Whereas Magnus plays better than peak Caruana most of his days. Peak Magnus is just an actual engine.
@@Anony492 totally agree, peak Caruana is a beast.
What's the point. The people who are the supposed chess fans are but mere enthusiasts. This is what they care about, drama. No longer about actual chess.