I chuckled. Rick "I played a short stint in Fleetwood Mac" Beeeato, when Stevie was so coked out that her new nose was still healing and the Lindsay Buckingham needed a stunt dick to take the heat off of him.
@@krmitt5 hi there!…..just so we’re clear, I enjoyed the comment, presumably a bit sarcastic in nature very much……I enjoyed this YT vid in its totality and hope that if Beato views it he’d have a sense of humor as well as be enlightened…..like many folks out there….apparently several million….I’ve found enjoyment in many Beato vids, however it seems to me….I mean, this is merely my perception, that he’s bought into his own hype a bit…..There is value to be found, that’s undeniable in many of his takes on music and musicians, however overall I get overwhelmed by his ….I dunno….arrogance?…ego?……and as a matter of constructive criticism, I personally feel his forte is not as a teacher….especially when compared to so many fine and focused teachers of all things music on the Internet…for free many times! It’s refreshing to see and hear someone being constructively critical of this YT *God*….with specific examples of his foibles…. And btw, like any earnest 71 year old music fan/musician, I definitely/sincerely would appreciate any recommendations of good contemporary music I should check out… Best of everything/ Craig
A lot of Beato's hot takes can be dismissed as 'Old man shakes fist at cloud', but if his main point is that there's a crisis in the music industry, he's right. He might not be adept at explaining the causes (it's all basically due to the progress of technology), but at least he gets people thinking and talking about music, which I guess is a good thing.
The thing is, Rick Beato's correct, most of the time. The man knows what he's talking about. He understands music. He doesn't always understand generations, but he does most of the time.
I love a lot of Rick videos and can relate to his desire to return to the glory days of rock, and we all get a little grumpy when we see the world we grew up in fading away. I was told to listen to KEXP when I wanted to hear new rock bands, and can say the current generation still makes incredible guitar based music, rooted in the old values while still taking it to new places.
It does not have to be guitar-based at all. KEXP is one of the best stations in the world. They play all kinds of music, from pop, jazz, blues, prog, punk whatever, even the occasional classic piece. And it is exactly that elaborate and knowledgeable mix which separates them from all the usual radio junk.
@@aquatichighs but depends on What you listen too. I mostly like extreme metal, but outside of that, there's Yves Tumor, Salami Rose Joe Louis, Nova Twins, Fleshwater, Just Mustard and Eartheater. All of them released albums the Last two years.
I mostly hear basically a bunch of the same old "indie" (i.e., "like 1964, but ironically") stuff I've been hearing most of my life. (OK, maybe crossed with punk, too.)
What this video doesn't get is that in the Gen X days and younger Boomers, music was almost the entire culture of the youth. If you were to draw a ven diagram in 70's, 80's and 90's there would be large circles that cross over massively, and with the exception of perhaps film, music was a core element of personal and cultural identity. Today that diagram would consist of a smaller circle of ever changing pop tunes surrounded by 1000 tiny disconnected circles of sub-sub- sub genres, for better or worse. Your argument is absolutist. I am gen z, I like music, I teach kids that like music therefore he is wrong and stupid. RIck's argumet is relativistic. You simply have never experienced a culture where music was nearly the entire driving force of that culture. It is different now. I ask the kids I work with what there favorite artists are and they say, eh what ever. Sure there are geeks that drill down and follow increasingly obscure bands and artist, who love and relate to that music deeply, but the obscurity of the 2 dozen bands you rattled off demonstrates that most people, average music consumers do not know or care about them. It is kind of like salt, in the past when salt was scarce, and you needed it to preserve your food, you cared a lot about salt, wars were fought over it. Today salt is too cheap to meter. Today music is everywhere, in your pocket, all the music our species has ever created and it's all FREE, to listen to anywhere, at anytime. So if a guy who was alive in India in the 30's says, today people do not care about salt, and you say "Yes they do, we eat salt with every meal", it is matter of relative intensity that the person today simply can not understand. Rick's "rituals" represented that intensity. Nobody today has to make a choice to listen to Polyphia or Tool, you have all the music available for free. If you had $10 dollars you could get AC/DC OR Black Sabbath, but not both, and then nothing else for another month. You had to wait til you got home from school to listen to them as well. That record represented sacrifice and an exclusive decision. Music or sports was how you gained attention ands elevated social status, and every high school had several bands of varying degrees of quality. Today music is a small part of a sea of gaming, streaming services, TikTok etc. Status is achieved by social media presence, sometimes musical, other times by flipping s bottle of water, with the water flipper usually getting more engagement. Are there Gen Z that LOVE music, yes, of course, but you have no idea of the depth and significance music played in culture and community before the social media age. So when he says kids today don't care about music, it's the same as somebody who paid an oppressive salt tax saying people today do not care about salt.
Well said. I have clear cut memories of sitting around the stereo with friends while religiously listening to Sgt Pepper or the first Led Zeppelin album. Powerful moments ! I was in a band too. We did a pretty good cover of The Weight!
Exactly. And motion pictures did the same when RB was young... Movies like "Once upon a Time in the West" or "Jesus Christ Superstar" were of huge influence at the time...
Interesting take. I watched that video and I thought he was making the point that the generation he grew up in was really into music mostly because that was the distraction of the day and Gen Z, on the other hand, might be less into music because there are other, more significant distractions surrounding them. If you look at the amount of money, time and attention that was thrown into the rock 'n roll and pop music industry in the 70's, 80's and 90's, it was HUGE and was rivalled only by the the Hollywood production machine. But since the age of the internet and the fact that it's pretty hard to make money in music anymore (at least not on the same scale) the focus is now on videogames. In fact, gaming is the top earning entertainment industry by a pretty massive margin. I don't know that Rick was criticizing Gen Z so much as he might've just been making a valid observation...which often sounds like complaining when it comes out of "old peoples" mouths and hits "young peoples" ears. Of course Gen Z isn't as into music as Gen X because media and money are no longer backing it like they used to. That said, musical performance by live bands has never been better because they can't rely on album sales to keep them going.
@@havable LoL... Well there's exceptions to every rule. You'd think growing up with the Beatles, the Stone's and Pink Floyd it'd be hard not to be into music 🤷♂️...
You are completely correct. Entertainment has been fragmenting more and more. However the cult like following that music can create still exists. Which is why successful bands still make it work financially. They somehow cut trough the noise or distractions and offer their audience a magical cultish experience. I believe this will become even more and more important over time.
The biggest difference BY FAR in my opinion is less of a focus on listening to full albums, or even learning artists names for that matter. I know this is anecdotal, but I worked with multiple people who were millennials (as am I) and couldn't even tell me a single artist they liked.The reasoning was all they listened to was Spotify EDM playlists while they played Rocket League. I still have plenty of friends and acquaintances who love music of all kinds and know tons of albums, but these are all musicians. The appreciation for music doesn't seem to be there for the general public as much as it used to, like if you look back music used to be everything to most of the youth, probably cause there was so much incredible music coming out in the 60s and 70s. I've even been told that being into music is considered cringy now by people from Gen Z lol the fools Video games definitely have replaced a lot of interest that used to be put into music, whether you want to admit it or not. It just is what it is, not shitting on the younger generation cause there's still fantastic music out there, as well as video game music (Celeste B-sides is one of my favorite soundtracks ever) and also a lot of the bands you mentioned are very artistic and fresh, like BCNR, Squid, FIDLAR, MGMT, Black Midi, Thee Oh Sees, Nolan Potter Nightmare Band, King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard (specifically polygondwanaland one of the best albums of the decade), just to name a few. It just feels like music has become a lot more niche, but I still love finding new masterpiece albums. sorry i got a little carried away.. i'm very passionate about music
It's a sign of the times. I don't know if it's an under or even an over appreciation of music for that matter. Generations use whatever platform is available to them at the time they're living. Gen Z for example have the ease of using the internet where Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, etc. are the thing. So they are exposed to a plethora of different music, performers, and genres making it hard sometimes to focus on one or two bands. Some of these platforms were available when I was in my teens and early 20's, but never as streamline or as easy to use as they are today. We had the local DJ on the radio and relied on learning new groups, performers, and songs, etc. based on what they felt like playing. Also, when I look back, I had to update my vinyl collection when cassette tapes became a thing to only have to do it again when CDs came out. It's all relevant. But to say any particular generation lacks appreciation for music is an understatement. I think Rick means well, but it reminds me of things like our elders would say to us, "I had to walk to school uphill both ways in the snow..." That's the stance I think Rick means by his statements. He's a good guy and a fine musician. Take the good with the bad from anyone or anything. That's what makes it all so interesting in life, music, and love.
@@bruh......2005 they were two tools/bros, and one hot chick. I think they're just haters and jealous more than anything lol 😂 oh and they were saying it about other musicians, they had never heard me play
"I was playing games with my kids and they asked me if I liked the music, but I didn't even notice the music, I just cared about winning! And that's when I realized, these video games are so addictive and the kids don't care about music." Soooooo, the kids like the music, but Rick didn't even notice the music, but the kids did, and thus this proves kids don't care about music? I am so confused...
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 what makes it less valid lmao. the mario kart sax solo is more tonally colourful than any iron maiden song i can think of off the top of my head. what you're doing is just insulting an entire medium because you don't have the imagination to call it 'real music'
@@smidlem1117 You presume a lot without knowning anything about me. I know music in video games, and "music in video games is not the type of music he's talking about." That statement says absolutely nothing about my opinion concerning video game music. I was a music composition major in the early 90s if you need a reference point.
To be fair. Rick has many times talked about the rediscovery of old music through games and other sources on the internet. Many old songs have gone up the charts again 30, 40 or more years after it was first released. Alot because of youtube. My son likes alot of music that I liked some 30-40 years ago and it’s not because of me. It’s through youtube and games. That’s a good thing and Rick have been saying this time and time again.
which proves the point in this video: Rick is just rambling incoherent arguments because you are now pointing out that he is just contradicting himself on this topic.
Lots of running with assumptions in this one. Obviously he's not saying "no Zoomer is into music," but there's a lot of truth to the overall landscape in terms of fluff vs substance, especially in the mainstream. And as someone who's immensely frustrated with Boomers' effect on the world in general, I don't find his takes condescending or "pointing the finger" at the younger generation at all. A lot of this just makes sense. We don't fund the arts anymore, we don't incentivize music monetarily like we used to, the record and streaming companies suck the life out of musicianship and musical innovation-it's no wonder the quality of music, as a whole, is kind of objectively suffering right now. Look at production budgets these days compared to what they used to be. They're basically non-existent. By going full-fledged denialist is to discount the value of music education, production, songwriting, and healthy competition in a given "music scene." The fans aren't the ones making the decisions as to who becomes popular; the corporations, their algorithms, and money are. That's not to say there aren't individual exceptions of great new/young musicians, but the "meta" trend is undeniable.
95% of us are like Beato, at least _some_ of the time: We like to justify our own tastes, sometimes by condemning what we _don't_ like. Not many of us are secure enough to simply like what we like, and do what we do, without passing judgment on the rest of the world.
I have an 11 year old son that listens to music all the time and a 97 year old grandfather that couldn't care less about music. Generational gaps mean nothing.
I'm a gen X but had to sit through the bullshit of all the complaints about Millenials. Now that Millenials are older it's all bitching about Gen-Z. Everyone is trying to be so profound they don't realize they are just repeating the same cycle. It's like older generations want to blame younger generations for not having the same experience as them, but also will blame them if they make the same mistakes they did.
@@critiqueeverything3297 I think part of that has some truth to it, but I also think that the newer generations have such an abundance of music to listen to that the industry has become much more spread out. I personally grew up in the 80's and 90's, but most of the music I listen to is from the 40's, 50's and 60's (Jazz). At some point most people will grow out of their rebellious stage and just listen to whatever they want. But maybe that's just me.
Maybe not but you should have enough common sense to know that the millions of people born between 95 and 2015 didn’t just magically stop liking music because internet. It’s ridiculous like all sweeping generalisations are.
@@dirtygirl2468 There isn't much common sense these days. Most people don't play music, because of, they either don't want to pay for it, or because of self-righteous whinging neighbors, who believe people shouldn't be seen, and not heard.
Don’t feel bad he’s mostly right. I’m Gen X and 57 and our world did center around music., and for two decades now people talk about video games not music
20 years from now (20 minutes from now), this opinion piece will be dissed too - and so it goes with the passage of time. The need to fight back against not just bad things, but against everything is endemic to our times. If Beato is intimidating at all its because he's older, wiser, and educated. The golden age of pop music as a showcase for people playing their own instruments, their own songs, and speaking to a collective audience is over. There are fantastic musicians living right now, and perhaps some of the most uninformed and indifferent listeners of music as a technical, historical art form. To my ear, this video sounds like someone trying to gain attention by citing someone who already has earned it. Does music appreciation ala Rick Beato add to our rich music culture? I'll argue that it does.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you talked about Rick obssession with the concept of the "ROCK STAR". I'm Gen X, a kid in the 80s', teen in the 90's. I cannot put into words the ethos that surrounded these bands. It was such a huge part of our identity and community. But, before the internet, everything was like that. Movies, movie stars, toy fads, game fads tv shows. There was more excitement and momentum around everything, because promotion and distrubution was so much more expensive and restricted. Companies and producers had to pool their resources behind fewer projects, because there was only so much space on cable or radio. Pop culture was a more collective experience back then, and I wish my kids could have experienced more things that way. I think memes are the only thing that come close today, and that's why every generation loves memes
As a Gen X kid, I was told so many times by late silent generation folks or early Boomers, that we didn’t know what music was. Rock ‘n’ roll had been destroyed and we all had “plink, plink“ keyboard, music. I think it’s just something one generation hands down to the other 🤣
pretty much. Memes and TikToks are only creative thing young kids do, top10 on spotify is 30-year olds that plugged into formula. They are not even sell-outs because they were never amazing. I remember watching Steve Vai in Crossroads when I was 14-15. I just saw an alien that night. Who can you watch today? Everybody is learning music behind a PC nowadays. Steve Vai learned from Zappa. We are fucked.
He sounds like a lot of my tired old boomer friends, just wishing for the good old days. I'm as old or older than RB, but he's he's full of it on this point.
Nah it's just a stereotypical oldhead take. I don't dislike him, but I'm tired of this "new music sucks now" saying when they don't actually make the effort to dig for some gold
I care more about music than just about anything else. Rick Beato is full of it, lmao If the guy spent half as much time looking for good new music as he did ripping on top 40 garbage, he'd never run out of amazing shit to listen to.
@@hadrienhartgers3498than what am I? I’m Gen z and completely agree with everything Rick says, just because you feel offended by it doesn’t mean he’s wrong, he’s saying the truth out loud and a lot of zoomers can’t handle it
Rick Beato is a goddamn saint and of the last of his generation who does this because he’s too passionate to not do it. He’s in his 60s and he still possesses the joy and wonder everyone loses way before they’re his age. he’s one of the best interviewers I’ve ever watched, he’s humble, down to earth, and just a solid good dude. It’s there’s a problem, Rick ain’t it.
@@9002RPMSuhmmm, no? There’re actually some quite nice albums that came out between 2008 and 2014. But ok, maybe for your favourite genres it wasn’t that great, whatever 🤷🏻♂️
It's so hard! I'm 49. Back in the 80's I got so sick to death of Boomers droning on about how new music sucked, and how everything was better in the 60s. I promised, I'd never do that when I was older, but I have to fight the urge to say "New music sucks", and "Back in my day..." all the time.
@@michaelward1341 the Grammy Awards are coming in February. It’s always fascinating to experience the ratio between good music and the vapid shite that just happens to be “popular”. I’m looking for something that moves me, period.
Rick has his issues with wild generalisms and era-blaming, but I got the impression on that first line that he meant that games are so enthralling and require so much attention that they have so many fun things on hand that they aren't as likely to pick up and learn an instrument.
Rick is very open to hearing new music the thing is that with most modern pop there isnt much to hear,and you can see his sadness when there is nothing for him to champion.
Rick's generation grew up listening to the radio. Sound and music was channeled into his ears. Modern humans use their eyes, hands, AND ears when playing games. This multi-sensory experience is clearly more fun than being restricted solely to aural stimuli, and naturally means music is of less importance than it used to be, but I don't really see the point in moaning about it. Until nuclear war wipes out the internet and all our TV screens explode and survivors go back to bashing rocks together for pleasure, people are obviously going to be attracted to the most compelling forms of entertainment that modern technology enables.
By explaining how today's bands wont achieve fame due to current musical landscape proves Rick's point! The consumers dictate the landscape and today's consumers see music as a side note where previously it was a bigger part of pop culture. You are too offended by this FACT to be objective.
There's not a problem with Rick Beato. There's a problem with the lack of musicality in music, and young people either not knowing the difference or not caring.
If you think there's no good music around at the moment, then you're not paying attention. The internet has changed the game, so a lot of the genuinely talented artists are on the periphery & nowhere near the mainstream like they were back in the day. Young Gun Silver Fox, Lianne La Havas, Snarky Puppy, Thundercat, Louis Cole, Kamasi Washington to name but a few. And i'm Gen X in my early 50's, so a different generation.
If all music you know comes from the radio, it might appear that all music is lacking originality. You are looking at a single point of great and ever expanding painting with a microscope, concluding that it consists of only one color, because that is all your small field of view lense is allowing you to see. I could name you 10 genres you have never heard of. Innovative and extremely interesting genres, spearheaded by young bands and individuals. Just in the last 10 years the development within music has been CRAZY fast and wild. You wouldn't even understand what is happening, because you are probably stuck in the cultural environment of 30+ years ago.
think on it more. what is musicality? like music that’s extra musical? sounds like you’re critiquing things like everyone you come across something, it’s avant garde noise / minimalism lol. like you want more notes per 5 seconds or what do you think it should be? i’m old too ps lol and theres always stuff you like that new if you try harder. there’s tons of older trash too.
I think you make many good points here. Some Rick might even agree with. To try to distill this down: people have changed and music has changed, enormously! The world has changed enormously. I’m about Ricks age and I can understand everything he says. He is very insightful from the perspective of someone coming up in the 80’s and 90’s and he is trying to understand this next generations music. Good in him, most people his age are completely checked out. He is right about the quality of music suffering at the top. Much of what we hear, by the time we get to it, is corporate garbage. But a rock guy with jazz chops is just not a thing anymore. He’s right, there’s nothing like the music of the nineties, nor should there be. I think he is most interesting when he shows us what is great about his era, not what’s bad about now. We older guys love our era, as it should be, but nothing is the same as it was and never will be. Kids get together now and show things they’ve found on the web, their knowledge of things SEEN is encyclopedic or wikipedic. It’s just a completely different way to exist. We used to be value going to places, now it is what you have seen, not where you’ve been. But it’s just what it is. Rick is a good guy, trying to help, to inform, to relate. I bet his demographic is 40+ men. He’s not really getting in genZ’s business. He’s letting old Police fans marvel at a 70-something year old Sting. It’s good for something.
Nah, go ahead. There can be no "oh yeah? then do it better than me!" kind of argument coming from authority. And no matter if he wants to or not, Beato has a huge audience and therefore authority. His opinion and statements influence his audience. And if he says nonsense - even if it is only sometimes -, it needs to be pointed out.
There are many people teaching music theory on UA-cam who have the same level of knowledge, if not higher, and they are healthier to watch. I mean, you can learn the same things from other people. He didn't invented them.
I disagreed with Beato a couple years ago when he was doing a live stream. He banned me. Lol I still watch his interviews though, but his rants are wack and I can't go for that, no can do.
I think his channel is great, he talks about music, he does great analysis of bands and their albums, I don't see anything wrong with the guy having an opinion on his channel. If anyone who doesn't agree with him can simply not join his channel.
Dude, i graduated highschool a year before you were born. I was raised on rock stars. However, in the 90s, with the "Alternative" revolution, we started becoming more aware of the indie scene, much more so than before. And the technology to become a bedroom producer just went nuts from then on out, starting with portable 4 track tape studios, to recording on the first home computer based studios, to full-on DAWS and software instruments that were finally affordable to the average person if the just saved up a bit. It used to be that you HAD to be a rock star for anyone to hear your stuff, and now we have streaming and everything to spread stuff around. Rick seems to have fallen into the "back in my day" stage of his life. His parents probably told him the same thing about the bands he liked. And unfortunately, we probably will someday as well. But music, as everything, changes over time, and the gatekeepers will all eventually die off and things will progress. Rock on.
htf do you know his age? I'm not as old as Beato, but I think I'm a bit older than you, I graduated highschool before the 80s ended. And He did go through a music revolution, in that the generation before listened to Big Bands (in the 40s) maybe Classical, Opera, and continued to do so into the 80s. And Boomers really did consider music differently. In the 70s, sporting events didn't have recordings, just some person playing an organ; supermarkets and elevators had Musak, which was cheesy, cheaply made classical-type music. It's kinda shocking to me to hear sporting events not only playing rock and pop, but 50 year old rock. Not music form the 40s, though. And basically the technological side of the revolution were: speakers, and affordable electric guitars and bass, and tape cassettes! I'm basically restating and re-emphasizing what you're saying, His was a different revolution, and he just can't conceive of a different revolution, because we still listen to his generation's music. We didn't having a point we don't listen, like anything before "Rock 'round the Clock" by Bill Haley. His generation, even if not he himself, did. The DJs of the 70s, 80s and 90s didn't play stuff before mid-50s.
Rick might be wrong about Gen Zs relationship with music, but you seem to be attributing a much greater attitude of criticism to the video than there actually was. He was just looking at differences in the generations without making value judgements.
Rick in general is right about the generational changes and how the internet has changed music and also how the internet and gaming have become more addictive. He doesn't need to be 100% correct. I feel that the younger generation is too picky and feels the need to throw criticism because thats what it wants to do.
i agree. the problem with this guy(sorry that i don't know who he is, but people seem to know him) talking about Rick Beato, is that he is not such a good listener. Rick compliments gen Z several times about all kinds of stuff they can do better. Like gaming better than him, and playing/copying all kinds of music we the older generation probably weren't able to play that well, because we didn't had 'the YT tutorial'. So that is what Gen Z is really good in. Even 'virtuosic' We(the old guys) had the advantage of the repetition. Because we had to try so many times with the LP. or cassette tape winding back. That gave us other advantages. But this guy seems really angry and does also the ugly-face-video-stop-motion-trick with Beato. That is not an act of of great intellectual capabilities. That is just showing that you can't handle your emotions with well-chosen words.
I'm 60 years old and I was in Olympia and Seattle when one of my favorite local bands became "rock stars" and were over-hyped into despair and suicide within a few short years. I'm sure you can guess which band I'm talking about. Fame is the worst drug of all, even when you don't seek it, and it can destroy art and artists. Seeing you play Psycho Killer earned my subscription!
If you're from that era and those places (me too, give or take 20 miles) curious, do you know the notorious "Tom Bonehead" of Bumwater, I mean Tumwater, WA?
Hmm. I think a major problem is the amount of people who want to make music, but are unwilling to put in the hours to learn music in depth calling oneself a “producer” because they bought a unison midi chord pack and make beats on fl studio. ‘Musicianship should be a journey, not disposable cheap thrill. But sadly it’s what people want to hear:(
I am 68. Pro guitar player. Good vid. Problem is lack of venue. I caught the tail end of the Vietnam era music scene which was everywhere and was glorious even though Vietnam was horrific. If you played in cover bands and had no ear training you would be hurting to learn songs because of lack of instructional base. Beato is right about that. You could and did develop your style in all that venue. Plus, you learned how to work audiences and club owners. Yes, the present offers great access to instruction and I love studying all kinds of theory not really all that available back in the day but........where do you now play live? What gig is there worth doing and how do you string them together to make a living? I used to play 7 days a week for hire whenever I wanted to, anywhere, any town. Not now....In your house in front of the camera red light is the gig? Musical yin and yang. Knowledge now, but no gig except the virtual gig. Not much dimension there, imo. So? Beato for general knowledge, but do your own thing because there is no real music profession, not that there ever really was like other jobs but now, no venue, no promotional industry, albeit mobbed up, leaves you entirely on your own, which...has its own unique opportunities. You can go from zero to hero on the net but it used to be a steady gig complete with the musicians lifestyle.........not now nomatter how good you are or better yet, how truly bad you are. Too bad though, the stories I can tell from being a 70's touring rocker just can't be relived today. Not just about sex and drugs but mostly about avoiding "the man" and the band of brothers and unspoken language music and how it transcends. This experience is a soul blessing that never leaves you. Computer games? I wouldn't know but if you have a real pin ball machine, can I come over?
Yeah man I think you hit the nail on the head. I’m 25 and just started getting gigs after covid. I don’t know the world you lived in. I’m from New Zealand so there’s not a huge population. But god, there just is such a lack of places to play with ears to listen to grow your ideas. A gig is a great litmus test of whether or not you’re going down the right path I feel. You get a sense of who you are in front of an audience and that BUILDS YOU. but when I only get that once in a blue moon it’s so hard to keep momentum building, to keep your band motivated, to keep fresh things happening. I don’t know what to do really, I just take every gig that is thrown at me and hope to god that someone there will hear the music and feel what is being created and that leads to more opportunities. It’s all you can do
There aren't enough people going to live local rock shows. The internet might be a part of the problem with it. Now we can listen to anything for basically free for hours on end with a smartphone and internet connection. I have around 75 GB of mp3 files, which is around 3 days of music. All of this is much more than your old record collection back in the day. Back in your day going to a local rock show was a great way to discover new music outside the classic hits. Keep on rocking Pinball wizard 🎸🤘
@@benl5341I feel bad for you man. You should find a city where there is a vibrant club/music scene. They are few and far between these days, but there are still a few.
Understood. In my large suburb of 100K people there are zero live venues. In 1980 there were probably about 15. And back then the city had one third the people. No places to play = no scene and no opportunity to develop the live music work ethic or to get known.
It’s not stupid to think as Rick explains how kids bought records and they meant more to them than some kid who can’t even make it through the first verse of a song before skipping to the next one.
Yet I knew teenagers who couldn’t wait to come home after school to put on Spotify, headphones on and drop in their bed for some intensive listening to their favorite rappers. Listening note for note and word for word.
His problem is that he's stuck in just a few genres, and they produced really massive icons in the past. He comes off as 50% about rock, 30% jazz and the rest some mix of pop and other stuff. I am a boomer like him and was also stuck like that for a large part of my life. Then about 10 years ago I jumped into the ocean of online music of ALL genres and discovered that it is littered with masterpieces few people have heard about. Life (mine) is literally too short to find them all, and that's the biggest problem (discovery). I just listened to Khruangbin - Texas Sun, and now Far Rider by Still Corners came on. I wonder if he ever heard them.
I think he was trying to say that kids have endless options now. I’m Gen X. We had 6 channels on TV, books, and a record player. That’s pretty much it. I’m sure you can see why less kids these days value music like we did.
The problem with music today is a direct result of the over-corporatization of the industry. There are plenty of great young bands out there that will never have the same opportunities as previous generations. Corporate songwriters have monopolized the market, making it extremely difficult for emerging artists to break through. But hey, that's what happens when capitalism goes unchecked. This is one of many sectors where corporate giants have crushed small businesses and workers.
Actually, it was quite the opposite. Technology and streaming had a detrimental impact on the small yet professional studios, producers, and bands comprising individual musicians playing together. Consequently, we ended up with a highly streamlined roster of major artists, and a new generation of DIY musicians emerged, operating from their basements. These DIY artists are forced to handle every aspect of their music production. As a result, the basement musician is responsible for recording, mixing, mastering, writing, and producing their own music. We all know what happens when someone has to juggle too many tasks-it often leads to an overall subpar outcome.
@@dimitrisdimitriadis4913 The first post blamed capitalism, but my post indicated that technology has significantly transformed the playing field. It could be argued that advancements in technology are a result of capitalism, and I will grant that point.
@@jimreplicant No, I'm blaming governments. I said, "that's what happens when capitalism goes unchecked". I'm a firm advocate for a market-based economy, but it must be properly regulated to prevent price-gouging monopolies and exploitation.
Big rock stars like we had in the 60s, 70s, 80s and the 90s were possible only because the handful of record companies that could distribute records internationally were acting as gatekeepers. In the 80s I’ve seen bands getting rejected by record companies not because they were not good enough but because it would cannibalize the sales of one of the bands they already have in their portfolio. By doing that the bands that were signed had more space to grow to become huge. Nowadays anyone can produce a song in their bedroom and post it on social media. There’s no gatekeepers, once an artist can raise over the noise level of the pile of crap that is put online every day, they can build their audience that most of the time will be relatively small. Some of them eventually get signed but record companies no longer invest large sums of money to promote their artists, they expect their artists to already have a significant following on social media. They no longer invest to promote their artists because since there’s no gate keeping they can’t prevent another similar artist to become the flavour of the month and eclipse their expensive marketing campaign. The music industry has changed, nowadays we see more artists that have relatively small audience scattered internationally as opposed to big international stars with huge audience all over the world.
Social Media though will always keep music blander than it was, sadly. You now have to be attractive and have a salesman like personality/charisma. Being a salesman and being an artist are two different personality types. It's why, as open as the internet has made things, we have no great works of art from Gen-Z.
@@stinghouseproductions8502 Correct. I don't know what you're into. Why should I hold your hand? It's out there if you actually enjoy music and care to look.
Rick is pretty much spot on. Most of the music made today will not be listened to by future generations. While so much of the music made during Rick's generation is still the mainstay for good music.
But we don't listen to /most/ of the music from Rick's generation either-just a narrow slice of the really good stuff. That's how it'll be with this generation, as it has been.
@@AlystrZelland Not really, the thing is that Rick's generation music had the potential to trascend forever. It may be a narrow slice, but still a bigger one, with tons of recognizable artists. If we speak about the music of the last ten years is fun seeing how those viral hits aged very fast, and other ones feel cringe worthy, because a lot of those songs turned viral just for meme reasons. When I listen to ABBA in radio it feels like a timeless classic, it never will get old. But you don't listen Gangnam style or Despacito anymore, is music with a very short lifespan, you won't see those songs featured in films in the next 20 years. Media had the potential to make music trascendental, but now everything is disposable. Is so strange how before everyone knew and could recognize The beatles or Michael jackson, teens and boomers knew them, being popular back then meant being part of the world culture and music history. Now you see the spotify top 10 and is strange how very few of those artist have any cultural relevance outside the bubble of their fans. Media has changed since internet, how music is consumed changed too, radio now is just a legacy media, tv is dead, tiktok reigns, now everything is a niche, some are massive and other very small.
I love video game music. I also love Mahler, Sibelius, Debussy and others. I think what Rick is experiencing is the sense of being overwhelmed. When you're not experienced with games, it's more difficult to take it all in. When you get used to it, then you start to notice more details, because you're not focused on playing well.
Bingo. You can't focus on anything else when you're trying to ride a skateboard for the first time. An elephant could literally shit at your feet and you'd hardly notice because you're unable to focus on secondary stimuli.
@@darcyperkins7041 He has said he isn't a seasoned gamer in his videos. I used to have a video game addiction and some games today still have a learning curve that distracts me from aspects of the audio-visual lustre.
So when they explicitly ask you to turn your smartphone off at classical music concerts they are basically wrong? They just need to get better at something?
@@orestezanardo4468 No. When you're sitting for the expressed purpose of listening to an orchestra play classical music, then that is what you need to focus on. Just like with a movie, the purpose of the music is different in games. For the most part, classical music stands by itself and doesn't need visuals or anything else to enhance it. Film and video games have visuals as a main component, but they are not necessarily the central focus. So the music is listened to in that context. For the most part, the music enhances everything and adds to the experience. That being said, a lot of music in games can stand up just fine by itself. Really enjoying the Skyward Sword soundtrack right now. ua-cam.com/video/wDbyzcfBEu0/v-deo.html
Rick clearly isn't speaking in absolutes, he is formulating a hypothesis to the disparity of passionate musicians in mainstream society versus the decades of his youth. Clearly if he isn't a regular gamer, he's gonna be more distracted away from the music to embrace the learning curve and mechanics of modern games to engage with his family members in a meaningful way. Imagine trying to ride a bike, you block out other stimuli in order to fulfil the task at hand. Rick is a musical god and is an incredibly inspiring and remarkable teacher with a humble and likeable personality. He praises all his musical guests and gives credit to modern music all too often and sometimes just goes with a video title that is a bit more visceral representation of his thoughts to get attention.
I watched the vid when it came out and it felt like absolutes to me. Its why I started watching him a lot less. There is too much stuff on the internet to waste my time with trash talk about a generation the guy clearly has no clue about.
@@havable this is the problem with young people, cannot tolerate anything. Wonder where the world will go. Youngsters think everything will come easy to them. After the internet and social media boom there haven't been so many depressed young people ever. And not talking about over weight... lets see if you tolerate these facts. 😂
@rabarebra Bro I’m a classical musician and composer of 13 years and rock/hiphop for 15. I grew up with those genres before the internet and I can still see Rick Is full of bs. He doesn’t get it, the new way of things. Rather than accepting this and wanting to learn more, he does what every older generation does to the newer generations: keeping a distance and judging it all with a holier than thou attitude. Big mistake. Rick at some point was part of the youngster culture whose music sounded like noise to their parents.
9:24 a lot of what he’s said so far is actually true and I especially agree with this point. He’s not wrong. He’s simply inarticulate and full of himself. That does not invalidate his points.
In my day (boomer here) I had to walk to guitar lessons in the snow and take my lessons with frozen fingers and hear my guitar teacher tell me how I had it easier than he did because he couldn't afford to buy records (vinyl for those wondering what I'm talking about) when he was learning. I could complain that today's guitarists (musicians) can do everything from the comfort of their own bedroom but then I would be just like Rick in some respect. It's the same story because every generation stands on the shoulders of artists that came before them and exploits contemporary technology to leap ahead of those older artists. "Generational-ism", is a type of bias or prejudice against a group of people, based on when they were born and how that generation lived their lives or achieved their success. It seems to creep into conversations about how unfair it is that younger generations didn't suffer as much while learning their craft. Sorry boomers and X-ers, what makes younger generations life easier today also makes your life easier so you can live long enough to complain about even younger generations.
Nah, not really. It's not about working hard for the gear. I'm sure quite a few hours are spent today in front of UA-cam, practicing until your teenage fingers bleed, and begging for money on Patreon to buy that piece of gear you long for. However, what's missing today is the live interaction, meeting with fellow human beings three times a week. It produces better results than just one person trying to manipulate a sample in milliseconds to get it to "groove."
I've heard Rick say this and did get a little confused because I grew up playing a lot of video games and I think it went hand in hand in growing my obsession to music. I'm 19 btw
IKR. like especially the irony is that one of the most captivating parts of growing up on nintendo games not just the mk series, is the music that drew us as children.. im 19 as well
@@Kevinschart hahahahaha becoming a menace 🤣 He was wrong, clearly wrong... but, it wasn't a big deal. He was just obviously wrong. That's not very menacing hahaha
Right on! I was obsessed with the songs from my Super Nintendo/N64 games and it subliminally got me really into music. I got Tony Hawk's Pro Skater and it opened my world up to a bunch of bands I've never heard of, and I've been a music nerd ever since.
Even for us olds. I remember how much I loved some of the old NES music, TMNT, Ninja Gaiden 2, and even more elaborate stuff at our local arcade. You saw a lot of Nintendo rock cover bands popping up mid-2000s as a result, like Minibosses, The Advantage, etc. Video games were very musically inspiring from the first beep boop.
i'm a pro musician since 1987 and a music teacher since 1993. What i observed over this time is the decrease of interest in younger people in music. Music has not the value for them like in the 60ies, 70ies, 80ies... Yes there are more phantastic young musicians today than ever before. But do a majority of their age care about them and about music in general ??? Not like previous generation cared about the music of their generations. And it is not the same if you just listen to a record that you have to save money for at least some days or you have a constant streaming of music with a flatrate or for free (adds). If anybody plays a game with music - do you think the attention is more on the music than on the game or split evenly ??? Is there anyone who buys regularly games just to listen to ??? Today i have 7 bass students... one is 13 years old, one 17 and 5 are 42 to 72 years old. They are all great but there is much less interest among younger students (wich i have in different band-projects) than in my generation. There is so much more distraction and possibilities for other interests than it used to be. IMHO.
Regarding game music, a great composer Koichi Sugiyama influenced my musical experience so the problem of younger people on music isn't due to gaming. Gen Z is broken off from the cultural continuation but it's the natural consequence because communications through all technologies are destined to like-a dolphin telepath. A thick book, an album in 40-50 minutes, must be changed to 1 minute content nowadays and submissions in a second are still ideal for human beings. On the other hand, this will be a trap for us because concentration in long hours is required if you want to pass examinations or accomplish an outstanding achievement. Social disparity can be avoided for those who come to notice this fact. Watching Netflix, purchasing on Amazon, TikTok.. All poisonous if you're not a content provider who can get income through those media. Music is not exceptional.
Ricks videos are an articulation of his experience and knowledge as a professional musican/producer. Its his point-of-view, and I have never seen him claim his observations are some infallible facts about the world, just that he sees things have changed greatly and is theorizing on why, how, and what it means for the future. His thoughts often evolve, which is a good indicator hes allowing new info to guide him more than just relying on confirmation bias. Mostly, it seems Mr. Beato mourns heavily the loss of Music as a dominate cultural force. Advancing technologies has given the power of making and distributing music to the commoner, which is both good and bad, but mostly radically shifted and unstoppable; so there's going to be a period of untethered flux before things settle into a more uniting experience again. Who knows how long that may take? Rick seems to want to preserve and communicate some aspect of music that is being lost in the shuffle. I appreciate hearing the musings of someone much older than I who sincerely loves music in both its existence and creation.
There are some things I like about Beato, and some things I don't. But I think that what he means is that digital media has sucked away the attention of younger people that used to be dedicated to learning instruments and music. That's what he means by "they don't care about music". Maybe true, maybe not.
@@BillKurn I think that is correct. But also the “commitment” to music, whether it be a genre, a band, an entire album. Once the album “died” and youth began only buying a single song by a group, there has been a loss of a commitment to the art. I liken it to readers today only picking out quotes/memes from a literary work without ever reading the whole work, let alone reading several books by a single author/collaborative author pair. The construct upon which most of us Gen Xers, especially, built our memories upon were more solid, less fleeting, compared with a digital download or stream of one song at a time by lots of disparate artists/genres. Which is fine, that is like radio. But most people I know that have only a “need for background noise” are those that typically do not buy complete works and instead skim the radio or create an mp3 list or YT list of individual songs.
@@skiphoffenflaven8004 this is kinda just wrong (heavily anecdotal). albums are still a big thing, theyre just online now. people still "stan" artists and love them and have commitments to them
- "Our coming of age thing was buying records" It also was my thing being born in 2002. I wouldn't have known about it if it weren't from both my parents and the Internet. - "You could only buy a certain amount of records" I could only buy a certain amount as well since the prices went up by $15 on average - "And you would listen to these records all the way through" I do that too because the ritual is very therapeutic for my ADHD and I tend to pay attention more to the music when I play it on my turntable - "It was different music than what your parents grew up with, this was our music" It still applies. I don't recall my parents listening to industrial hip hop, indie rock, shoegaze, etc. Granted, my parents were into The Beatles as well.
But like Rick Beato, you are just you and you have a bias to your own experience. You are not like MOST young people. When I grew up in the '80s, the radio was switched on at 7.30 in the morning, and music was everywhere. One of the most popular TV shows was Top of the Pops. Today's kids spend far more time playing video games, or watching UA-cam or Netflix, or listening to podcasts, or chatting on social media than my generation spent listening to music. A lot of youngsters' experience of music is 30-second clips on TikTok. They don't listen to whole albums in the right order. The world has changed. You, I, and Rick Beato might not like the way that the consumption of music has changed, and we might not like that music's importance has been degraded by the rise of newer technologies, but it's just reality.
@@AutPen38 Dude, the point I was trying to make is that we still have access to older technology. The reason why it's not as common in my demographic is because it's not the only way to do so, and it's seen as old.
What you wrote above applies to young people who would watch Rick Beato Not to young people from 2002 in general. People born around 2000 had no need to ever buy records. By the time of 2015 most music was listened to on streaming. And that is exactly Beato’s point.
The point is: Games are more engaging than the music. Kids play game and their main goal isn't to make effort to listen, but to make effort to win the game. Compare that to time when people would buy vinyl and replayed it time after time. How many times a year non-musician sits and just listens with fool attention just to the music? Once? Twice. My friend of 26 years once said to me: Oh I just realized why music is interesting. All those people doing different thing, but it all melts down in one place and it sounds good. So it took my friend 26 years and a weed to realise just a basic fact of music. And I think she even went further than many modern "musicians". So yeah, I agree with Rick on this. Most people don't really care about music.
I'm 10 years older than Rick, and my parents always used to tell me my music sucked. It's just an endless generation thing, don't take it seriously. Modern music is always for the young, by the young, and if it were the same as what Beato likes, then it would be extremely boring and stale.
I appreciate/own/perform music that's WAY before my time.I prefer music that requires/involves technical prowess(some),and has beautiful melodies.Simple is ok too,but performing"fancy"stuff has served me well.Especially when playing for people who know/appreciate"Good".The younger generation pretty much doesn't.(In my experience).
Because quality and effort and complexity and sophistication are boring and stale, while the putrid pitch-corrected looped garbage on your nasty little tik-tok is exciting and new.
@@rudygracia5573 But simple melodies are so hard to actually write. What it looks like on paper isn't an indication of how hard it was to make. And the production complexity has taken the place of harmonic complexity nowadays.
As a late Millennial, I do know and hang out with mostly GenZ people and as much as Rick's reasoning is flawed, his observations about lack of interests aren't too off in my experience. I rarely come across younger people these days who are into music.. like really into it. That number has always been small, but it's getting smaller I feel. In fact, this one time I was meeting a group of mostly new people, where one guy picked up that I played music and started talking about music. He asked everyone what they are listening to these days, and one guy just froze. Wasn't able to come up with answer. Then this other person says "you must be a podcast kinda person then". And he said yes, while many others echoed that sentiment. I think my heart broke a little that day.
Yeah I think this guy just took Rick's video personally because **he's** not disinterested in music. Most Gen Z kids don't really care that much about music the way prior generations absolutely worshiped it.
podcasts would just be called radio talk shows back then. some ppl just aren't really into music, and that's always been a thing. you haven't met every gen z person out there
That’s been my exact experience too. Sure there’s a few kids now that are Really in to music and say ridiculous things like music has never been better because they lack any real perspective but mostly it’s a lot of musical indifference I find.
There'll always be one guy. Honestly as a young-un I was that guy. My musical knowledge mostly extended to whatever was popular on the radio, and to this day I don't know who sings half the pop songs and could name maybe one Ed Sheeran song (shape of you?). I'm probably as musically knowledgable now as I've ever been, but I'd have definitely given crap answers in the early 2000s since my current interests tended to change often and I'm not a person that tends to have favourite-anythings.
@@bastetowl3258 it has not been always like that. In the 80ies (when i was a teenager) the release of a new album was an event and you would talk for weeks about it. a teenager would define him/herself about the music he/she listened to. Maybe not everyone but a big majority.
being an old geezer I totally missed this. i agree with you. very good. i had a sense of this, but until I saw your video. oh and by the way lots of geezers don't care about music too. on the other hand. I can only wish him continued success, thanks for making this
The difference is simply lack of band gigs theses days. My last one was in 2000 but gigs generally dried up around 86'. I see people on their cell phones in clubs now and I'm very happy not to be gigging anymore.
@@jeff7764lucky you that you live in Philadelphia. There’s very few in ocean county NJ. Other than the typical strip joint, there’s only one within 25 miles of me. I think strip joints use pre recorded music. Too bad they don’t go with live music.
he hasnt forgotten to be a boring old fart complaining about the kids today! its a dull take and he is a predictable bore for doing it, he is turning into grandpa simpson.
he's not hunting down the indie scene, the unknowns. I've tried a few times to shake his tree. The amount of pull he has on his channel would help to excel unknown artists, who just can't get a fanbase. He needs to see it. I saw it years ago when I formed We are the New Underground, with its label WEATNU Records. Do you know how difficult it is these days to find a fanbase? Nearly impossible. If he took his blinders off his eyes for one moment and looked around him, he would find unknown, non-mainstream music, I gave up the mainstream back in 2000 2003 / because it was getting so bad. If he were to start showcasing the underground music, people would love it.
There are current artists that I like. I try to suss out why my mind doesn't retain a ready list of them when I want to play someone new. I had the communal and immersive experience of a tactile album enjoyed in stillness. My medium was completely different. My Gen Z friend still likes to put on a playlist and share them while driving in a car just to listen I hear a strong emotional reaction when you posted this, very divisive, but your reason is totally understandable. I have failed myself because I don't do the effort to dig deeper like I used to because other survival stresses have become more urgent with age (sadly).
I'm not that much younger than Rick, but I'm trying not to close my mind and have strong opinions. In other words as we get older, it becomes harder to keep our minds open. Maybe being comfortable with not knowing about everthing and an attitude of exploration leads to a richer experience of not just music, but of life generally!
OK. But, these days just stating an obvious fact gets people so offended. That’s very different than it was decades ago. For a few years in the late 60s and early 70s radio DJs played anything they liked regardless of label, category, genre’, or description. So, we were exposed to a wide variety of music. And school had music programs that encouraged music appreciation and expanding our experience, expectations, through exploration. I hope young people are discovering and sharing the universe of offerings. OK?
@@ed.z. Maybe it depends on where you live. Here in Australia, radio stations have been pretty much the same for 40+ years. Even when we had things like MTV (here it was a TV show, not a 24/7 channel) it had a very narrow selection of music, mostly pop. Music is now more easily accessed if we want to put in the effort.
I agree with Beato. It IS much different. Is that bad? Meh, I don’t care. I’ll stick with music and I’ll continue to happily ignore video games and play guitar all by myself if I must. I love it. Peace.
I'm 66 years old and used to play in bands. I haven't gigged since 2000. For a number of reasons, band gigs dried up starting around the mid to late 80's. Rick was a band guy who transitioned very well into other things and I like his videos. Naturally bands still exist but it's nothing like it was in the 60's, 70's and part of the 80's.
That thing about being a super technical player in your own bedroom isn't something Rick is complaining about, what his point seems to be is he'd love these players to get together and hone their skills in bands, get more live music out there. He seems to suggest there is an aspect of their playing and development that is missing, and I'm sure that's fair comment for some. Unfortunately music isn't as valued as it once was and there are lots of other ways to spend your time. I've never stopped playing a video game because the soundtrack wasn't good enough as that is incidental to the gaming experience.
exactly, i said this the other day. you never see these instagram guitarists doing actual gigs. they arent capable of putting on a show longer than the 30 second clip that they are used to.
@@davisworth5114As if old people weren't addicted as well. Old farts are constantly glued to facebook. To the point where sometimes, I the 21 year old, am the only one not on my phone. It's frustrating wanting to talk and they just mindlessly scroll through facebook. It's not even a good social media
1. Music is in trouble, artist's can't make money selling recorded music anymore and have to tour and sell swag to make a living. 2. Music is in great shape, we have 500,000 songs at the tips of our fingers on streaming services, on devices we can carry everywhere. Which is true? Both? For learning musicians, I'm jealous of all the resources available now. Free lessons for literally any song on any instrument. It's fantastic. As a kid , I struggled to learn guitar and vocal, you either had a good teacher for in person lessons, or you floundered.
Musicians throughout history have been broke. Only from the 1930s to 1990s were they able to make money and obscene amounts. But even then certainly not all but maybe the top 20 artists. The top 100 were comfortable and it seems it went down quickly from there.
i don’t think this video discredits ricks passion for music, i think this video is aware that his heart is in the right place regardless of his flimsy points about gen z
He shows a lot of enthusiasm about pop music. If he was a real rock advocate he’d be giving praise to the 100’s of rad bands of today that just aren’t popular in the grand scheme and using his platform to boost them. This video makes a good point. If the bands aren’t “popular” then they aren’t relevant to him.
@@bradley3123 Apparently you didn't read the title. This video was made by a no-talent loser to get clicks by using the name of an established you-tuber.
@@anniedarkhorse6791 I do.. idk if you know what obscure means. And they aren’t even “obscure” he still talks about bands that are already relevant and popular. Do you live under a rock? That these bands are obscure to you… 👀
I played Smash bros. with my musician and composer uncle a couple years back. It was his first time playing something like that. It was also my first playing Smash bros. Ultimate, but I played other Smash games all my life, so the controls come natural to me. I remember remarking about the soundtrack, and I asked for his opinion while playing it and his response was, "ohh right, there's music". Mind you this guy always notices the musical score of any movie we watch, without losing the plot of the movie, but he didn't even notice there was music in the game. He can hold a conversation about the music of a movie, while watching without losing important information. My theory is that he's using 100% of his brain on the gameplay. The hand-eye coordination, the decision making, the memorization, the movement prediction, all of it was taking up his brain space. Whereas I, an elite gamer extraordinaire, can casually play decent at the game, leaving a good amount of brain space to pay attention to the music, the ambience, hold a conversation, etc. He's a much better musician than I am, he has a much better ear for music, and his knowledge far outweighs mine, but he couldn't even notice the music in the moment. Of course afterwards when he starts to pay attention he can remark on it. I think this is what is happening to Ol' Boomer Beato here. He's a career musician/composer/engineer. No time to play vidya gehms, and so it takes up 100% of his brain to play Mariokart. Whereas his friend, probably an elite gamer, can do that and pay attention to the music.
Elite gamer here, ranked #1 in my country in street fighter 6 master rank wit multiple chars. My biggest musical flex is I can make ppl think I can play and I have learned 2 jimi hendrix songs, half of a polyphia song, animals as leader songs and the intro to a guthrie govan song. I dont and cant pay attention to music when I play because street fighter is a different video game where u NEED to make every decision count. It's not just a boomer/elite gamer thing it literally might just be a skill gap/proficiency thing.
@@Jamsessionroom1337 I think you're coming at it from the perspective of a competitive gamer. Of course when playing competitively, music be damned, I'm here to win the match. But I was just speaking on casual play. Just hanging out on a couch, shooting the shit, while mashing buttons. Elite gamers, or just gamers(xd), won't be thinking of what button to press to jump, what button to dodge, to duck, to use ability, etc. Whereas boomers will, thus not leaving brain capacity to listen to the music. Also bro what kind of guitar routine do you have lmao.
I think that you missed Ricks point that modern day music is crap. That's why all of the music from the 70s and 80s is selling more than the modern music today.
Whilst Rick dwells mostly on the musicians of earlier decades, these are the ones that have stood the test of time. It's really too early to say which of the current generation of bands will leave a lasting legacy, but I am sure that the best of them will be as revered as our current heroes, and someone like Rick will be making videos about them in 30 years time.
I think part of the issue is that access to platforms used to be very minimal. Rick seams to bemoan the fact that anyone can make, share, gain notoriety and continue their personal creative output WITHOUT the big companies, the expensive gear, the private jets. I'm sorry but those days are OVER it seems, and I am not sad.
@@Terrible_Peril Rick is wrong and so is the video uploader. I'm sure Gen Z does appreciate music, the issue is that Gen Z is a victim of its own culture's musical bias. when the TV dishes you contemporary Pop and Hip Hop music, in some areas Country. Thats what social media is gonna dish out to you for reccomendations. There is no musical discovery. A lot of kids these days don't binge the local FM radio for rock. And if they did most of the time it wouldn't do them any good. My local rock station has been spinning the same set of songs and bands for the past 40 years. Also, theres no big time label focusing on pushing rock. The biggest labels even close to that is focusing on Heavy Metal. And Van Halen is sonically different from something like say Opeth or even say something like Sadus. I'm sure there is outliers, to all this. I'm sure there is some Gen Zer named Dexter thats discovered his dad's Black Sabbath and Led Zepplin vinyl collections and digs it. But it's the exception to the norm. If Gen Z wants things to change and bring rock back, pick up where the 80's bands were cut off and continue from there. They are gonna have to get their hands dirty, and start making music scenes in their cities and town like rock had in LA and San Diego back in the 80's. And push back against the label's modern pop barrage they are subjected to. Thats it. It changes when Gen Z does something about it.
@@tw19771 I'm sorry but as a Gen Z'er what you said is the complete and total opposite of the truth, most people my age that I know, even people outside my social circle, all listen to many different styles of music from across many decades. Classic rock, country, folk, indie pop, ambient electronic, you name it, my generation listens to it all, even the kids who mostly just stick to mainstream rap and pop will occasionally venture outside those confines. And ironically enough, it is largely social media platforms like Tiktok that have lead to this; I can name countless songs spanning across all kinds of different genres and decades that have become massively popular amongst people my age due to Tiktok. In complete contrast to what you claim, I would say--based on my personal experience--that Gen Z on average has far more diverse taste in music compared to any preceding generation.
@@blib3786 Do you? Because the last time I heard anybody listening to something like say Judas Priest besides myself was some old man I ran into on the street in Cali, who was blasting their Defenders Of The Faith record. I suppose you would have too, considering you would have had no choice not to as you walked by. I never said some Gen Zers don't have a wide taste and music, you lot seem to. As long as its not rock n' roll. And "country, folk, indie pop, ambient electronic, you name it" is not rock n' roll. You did mention classic rock, ...Okay but I don't hear you guys rocking out to something like Deep Purple. Although like I said in my first post, I'm sure theres a few of you who do. The closest thing to Rock n Roll ya'll seem to get and the heaviest you lot seem to get into. Is Lizzo Tiesto is not Rock, Daft Punk is not rock n' roll and so on. And heres the thing, we'd have actually new and popular mainstream rock acts rocking arenas. If the major labels thought there is a market to push that, but they don't. You know why they don't? They don't see the market for it. Ya'll aren't saying "Hey we wanna hear this." to them. Your generation aren't picking up guitars and sitting behind drumkits and writing rock songs. You guys aren't going out gigging, you aren't making Rock N' Roll music scenes. UMG and Spotify doesn't care that you listen to Bob Marley followed up by Rhianna. Or whatever trendy 80's pop song thats "cool" to listen to these days like Blue Monday, they are gonna give you Bob Marley and Rhianna. It's not rock, and they will give you what they know you want. This isn't even about your music taste, because nobody should really care whats on your Spotify's release radar. It's about your culture and your generation, and what music ya'll listen to the majority of. And saying you listen to everything just doesn't cut it. Practice what you preach, if you wanna hear Rock n' Roll, start some rock bands and start some music scenes. You even have a group already flying that torch its called Greta Van Fleet, those cats got the memo, too bad the rest of you guys didn't.
Very well done, thank you. As a boomer I am aware how my musical preferences have changed over the decades … and how I am very biased towards the what I listened to in the 50’s, 60’s & early 70’s as “the best ever”. While I have appreciated many of Beato’s interviews … I can’t stand his ‘expert’ rants that you are referring to. You are absolutely correct. And I admit that as a boomer I have no interest in exploring what younger generations are playing. It’s like … I have been there, done that … and just want to hear JJ Cale or The Allman Brothers or Joni Mitchell or Pat Metheny or some jazz or Hawaiian (not Jawaiian tho). It has to do with how one’s life slowly changes over the decades that one usually never notices … or just does not want to admit it. So think this is where Beato is … because aging is a bitch and one likes to stay relevant … when in reality … it’s ALWAYS the younger generation’s time to explore & shine, like it or not.
The same thing that irks me about Rick and his followers and most people of my generation saying all new music is awful and mourning rock’s demise because they’ve never bothered exploring the underground when its never been easier. Rock is alive and well, and more experimental than ever because these young acts don’t need to pander to mainstream tastes. Who needs another Nirvana when you have a band like Black Midi who make music that sounds like it’s from another planet.
Rick loves lots of contemporary stuff. Watch his videos interviewing animals as leaders and periphery, i think he just separates groups like them and polyphia and intervals, etc. from what he means when he says modern music or mainstream music because as much as he rags on the shitty stuff he still praises contemporary music more than he rails against it
For me, born in 1965, music of the late seventies and 80's/90's was the last era in which music was a much bigger part of people's lives. I believe, and this is JMO... that it's due almost exclusively from the influence of the internet. All of a sudden, the song on the radio that made you lose yourself for a little while was no longer as much of a release it once was. Now there's more ways than anyone could imagine to connect people and release tension. Back in the day it was music that connected people. likeminded music lovers would meet at concerts and bar dances more then than is needed nowadays to meet people.
Como persona de la generación de Beato pienso que hoy se escucha más música que nunca, se tiene acceso a más variedad que nunca (no depende de que una discográfica lo publique para poder escucharlo, bendita sea internet) y el aprendizaje y educación musical es más accesible que nunca. No sé si esto e una ventaja o un inconveniente, pero envidio a los jóvenes de hoy. Ojalá hubiera todo esto en cuando era niño y adolescente. As a person of Beato's generation, I think that today we listen to more music than ever, we have access to more variety than ever (it does not depend on a record company publishing it to be able to listen to it, blessed be the internet) and musical learning and education is more accessible than ever. I don't know if this is an advantage or a disadvantage, but I envy today's young people. I wish I had all this when I was a kid and teenager.
Beato is spot on. TV / streaming has been a distraction too. Popular music has been lame for 20 years. I'm at the tail end of my 30s and could never understand why people in the band were talking about Game of Thrones and other rubbish when they didn't know their parts.
Popular music has always been just average, people who are into music look outside the mainstream, always (like the white guys who listened to jazz/blues and then put together a rock band, a la zeppelin, stones, etc.)
I have a GenZ daughter, who literally has vinyl LPs of her favourite video game music😂 that said, I love Rick’s videos. He is an excellent music teacher as well. Another reason why it’s so hard for Aziz to get into modern music, and particularly rock musi(because let’s face it a lot of the modern computer generated music isn’t really suitable for life consumption )is that it is so expensive to go see live music. When I was a kid in the 90s, you could spend $25 and go see Metallica. Those same tickets today would be over $500. Most GenZ’s are not in a position financially to be blowing $500 plus on one ticket to go see a band.
True!!! I'm gen z (21yo) and there was a time where I wanted to go see artists from the past century live bcs you never know when they're going to retire and I wanted to at least experience it. After looking at the ticket prices my dream was officially shattered. I only got to see Iron maiden and kiss. Everything else too expensive. I don't even go to concerts of artists of my generation (also bcs most of them are small and only perform live in their countries).
Mate Metallica we’re playing in that generation! Now if you go to artists from this generation it’s still quite cheap. Unless it’s pop trash which is overpriced af
This is def. true, however once I reached my teen years I had no interest in most of the big acts. One thing this guy gets right is that there is still good music out there. He mentions a shit ton of bands that most people have never heard of. I listen to a lot of bands that are a decade old that most people have never heard of. Here's the thing. I turned my kids on to current bands when they were teenagers. Not the other way around. That's weird. It's not supposed to be that way. anyway I'm off track here. Lots of great non mainstream bands that are playing live for a fraction of a taylor swift concert.
As a 20 you old kid who loves music, I have to say that Rick is half right. Some of his takes on video games are very accurate, the addictive nature of these games causes us to lose touch with reality to a certain extent. Nobody is innocent of this, even me. I personally gave up video games because I felt that I was missing out on life. Moderation in anything is the key. Furthermore I think part of his argument is that while spotify and other apps give us the ability to listen to anything, it doesnt hold quite the same value compared to previous generations, who had to buy there records and were much more limited. While this view is most certainly subjective I understand where hes coming from. While he does seem to have little hope for the new generations, I do think it's important that we don't abandon them. That feeling of abandonment by our elders is what drives the divide. We always need to be accepting and understanding of the times. As bob dylan put it, "The Times they are a changin". I think we forget that.
well, the same way in which you say "hey, this happened to me, so it must be true!" I and a lot of people say "this has never happened to me, so it isn't true". It's not about videogames, that's the problem with Rick's hypothesis. It's about the capacity of attention of each person. I can't understand how someone can not have the ability to concentrate on multiple things at once and for some unexplicable reason believe there's a problem with those things they can't concentrate at, instead of y'know....thinking they are the ones with the attention problem? Tldr: If you lose touch with reality "because of videogames" it's not a videogames thing, it's a you thing.
@alexfons3667 I like how you took an entire paragraph to basically say that the problem is a personal problem. Like no shit... it's a personal problem that is widespread in society. They've literally run tests and determined this to be the case, that media is shifting attention spans. I've noticed that people with a problem will do anything to rationalize it. Gatekeepers is an interesting job, the people that always get mad are usually the ones the gate was meant to keep out. Strange...
I dunno... I am a music teacher and I ask kids "What do you listen to?" and it's always "I don't really listen to music." And they're all interested in video games, but not rock bands. And they don't know the names of bands or albums or songs. And yes, the internet obviously gives you access to the sum total of human knowledge... and guess what? People are dumber than ever, with no memory.
That is so odd... some of my favourite composers are videogame composers. I think it would be pretty easy to suggest he is incorrect purely by looking up the views and likes on a few video game OST's. When it comes to work like those of Akira Yamaoka or anyone who worked on the Castlevania games; really interesting covers by people really loved the music in the games.
Guitar Hero. Great game, but ultimately that is all it is, a fun musical game. However, it is not the same as actually knowing how to play and create music just as painting by numbers is not the same as knowing how to draw or paint.
@@mikerivera9173games about music inspire musicians. I'm not sure if you knew, but the demand for guitars and other musical instruments is still growing. Instruments that aren't suspiciously really well represented in 40 hits because the top 40 isn't what people at large actually truly like, it's what people listen to more than 30 seconds of when it's served up to them by an algorithm.
I'm Rick's age. I think it's absolutely possible that people of a previous generations just have different perceptions. Given the completely different conditioning and experiences. It's inevitable. Likewise, there may be parts of younger generations that never developed spaces to experience certain kinds of things the way the previous generations did. Both sides have a very difficult understanding the other.
Rick is right about a lot of things, especially about the history of music including contemporary music. You might not like what he says, but his perspective is something you can learn a lot from if you turn down your "negativity" a bit.
I think what he was trying to say, is that in the face of the addictivness of video games and Internet younger generations (or even older ones, I am from the 80) don't feel as attracted to listening to music the way he did. And I so agree with that as it mirrors my experience when I compare my youth with my 8y younger brother, or my pupils, or even my way of consuming music now.
Yeah, I’m 27 and even when I was in high school, which was the kick off point of streaming, people consumed music differently. It was always something to have on while doing a task (homework, driving somewhere, playing video games). Not something you sit around and give your entire mental capacity to. So I will agree on that, but to say young people don’t care about music or aren’t interested in music is absolutely absurd. Just look at the amount of bedroom producers there are, look at how many young people started playing instruments during quarantine. Almost everyone my age knows someone who “does” music. I’d say interest in music amongst young people is near an all time high. Just because they got there through a different means doesn’t mean it’s less than.
I think you did bring up one really good point. I'm in my late 40s now and I really only know the older way of finding new music. I don't have a clue how to find all those bands you mentioned other than searching them directly because I heard you mention them in this video. New bands are simply "off my radar" unless I get a direct reference.
My passion for video game music is what led me to become a composer myself. I have a deep appreciation for music in all its forms, from 30's swing and electronic genres like dance, trance, and house, to rock, orchestral compositions, 8-bit and 16-bit tunes, salsa, and samba. And you know what's amazing? You can find elements of all these styles within video game music. From epic themes like those in Zelda, to whimsical melodies like in Mario, or even the rock-infused soundtracks of Mega Man-X, the salsa beats of Tropico, the techno rhythms of Extreme-G, and the metal vibes of F-Zero X. You can even discover the nostalgic sounds of 30s swing and gypsy guitar in games like Mafia (PC Game from 2002). The list could go on endlessly.
Actually, my older son got me into video game music. While I can't operate those controllers with 375 buttons to save my life (I'm fine with a joystick and a fire button!), my son is quite adept at both video games, *and* with the great music of today's composers -- which is *wonderful* stuff! Halo 2 was my introduction into some of the greatest music being composed right now -- for video games! Who knew! (Full disclosure: I'm in my early 60s as of this writing.)
Deus Ex is an exceptional example of many different styles being tastefully incorporated into a set of now-iconic musical motifs that creep their way into our memory of each setting and major event in the game.
I got into video games before I ever got into music, and their soundtracks certainly made a huge impression on me. The Mario Bros. theme song is forever etched in my mind, as is Zelda’s over world theme. I also remember being a huge fan of Streets of Rage 2’s early 90’s inspired soundtrack by Yuzo Koshiro. As a matter of fact, I remember a friend of mine and I actually pretending to play the SOR super mix song in my bedroom by listening to the song via sound options on my genesis. And the amount of great RPG soundtracks that I adore like Pokémon’s and Final Fantasy VII’s- they just made a huge impact on me.
@@snickpicklehell yeah dude halo has some of the best music in gaming. It’s better than most stuff you hear in movies. Also a lot of it was made using vintage synths!
Check your premises. Very little music is being made. Because your limited and crippled intellect is stimulated by a combination of sounds does not make those sounds music.
Are you simple, by any chance? He means Gen-Z aren't as passionate about music as much as other generations. Everyone likes music and always will. Everyone will always listen to it. It's pretty embarrassing that you thought he actually meant Gen-Z don't enjoy music at all. Use your head.
@@Jacox98 "modern music isn't real music- it's just sounds!!" not true, given that he worked in the indie scene for years and has praised social media guitarists and musicians. And again, he's discussing pop music and the generation on a broad scope. He's not talking about Billy Joe Bob and the Bad Twats with 200 followers on SoundCloud.
11:00 Rick didn't "criticize" Polyphia or say instrumentals were "inferior", or throw "shade"on Tim Henson. He is saying there are no famous riffs and hooks now. Or (most) kids spending hours on their floors with their friends ONLY listening to music and reading lyrics and liner notes like addicts. Rick has young/teen kids, he knows what's out there. And you actually 12:30 AGREED with him about the rock "stars" of the past. Then you mention tons of underground bands that MOST kids do NOT know -- PROVING RICK'S POINT.
Rick is right the barrier to entry is very low. Its not just music but movies and culture in general. In today's world it seems as if everything is just a remake with an agenda. It seems like the 90's were the last generation and even the youth are trying to relive it as some sort of nostalgia that they didn't experience
A lot of people don’t know this, but Rick Beato invented music.
I chuckled. Rick "I played a short stint in Fleetwood Mac" Beeeato, when Stevie was so coked out that her new nose was still healing and the Lindsay Buckingham needed a stunt dick to take the heat off of him.
And video games
😂😂😂
@@craigsaxonmusic9372 you like that Craig. The internet is full of free entertainment. Happy to help.
@@krmitt5 hi there!…..just so we’re clear, I enjoyed the comment, presumably a bit sarcastic in nature very much……I enjoyed this YT vid in its totality and hope that if Beato views it he’d have a sense of humor as well as be enlightened…..like many folks out there….apparently several million….I’ve found enjoyment in many Beato vids, however it seems to me….I mean, this is merely my perception, that he’s bought into his own hype a bit…..There is value to be found, that’s undeniable in many of his takes on music and musicians, however overall I get overwhelmed by his ….I dunno….arrogance?…ego?……and as a matter of constructive criticism, I personally feel his forte is not as a teacher….especially when compared to so many fine and focused teachers of all things music on the Internet…for free many times!
It’s refreshing to see and hear someone being constructively critical of this YT *God*….with specific examples of his foibles….
And btw, like any earnest 71 year old music fan/musician, I definitely/sincerely would appreciate any recommendations of good contemporary music I should check out…
Best of everything/
Craig
A lot of Beato's hot takes can be dismissed as 'Old man shakes fist at cloud', but if his main point is that there's a crisis in the music industry, he's right. He might not be adept at explaining the causes (it's all basically due to the progress of technology), but at least he gets people thinking and talking about music, which I guess is a good thing.
Rick is not old.
The industry structured itself around mind control. That’s the real problem.
@@jamescotner2459you can be an old man shaking fist at cloud at any age
@@jamescotner2459He's 61. Maybe not elderly but still fairly old
@@jamescotner2459 that's good to know. He's 61, I'm 50. I guess I'm still a youngster.
The thing is, Rick Beato's correct, most of the time. The man knows what he's talking about. He understands music. He doesn't always understand generations, but he does most of the time.
And he was right here. The guy who did this video is the one who is wrong. And I say this even though I'm not a fan of Beato.
@@siberianhusky5874 He totally missed beato’s point on that video. Went waay over his head
@@AudioReplica2023 After listening to this guy, going way over his head does not seem to be much of a challenge.
oh no , the Beato's brigade !!!
He knows music theory but outside of that his music takes are 🤡🤡🤡
I love a lot of Rick videos and can relate to his desire to return to the glory days of rock, and we all get a little grumpy when we see the world we grew up in fading away. I was told to listen to KEXP when I wanted to hear new rock bands, and can say the current generation still makes incredible guitar based music, rooted in the old values while still taking it to new places.
Audiotree is another great source
It does not have to be guitar-based at all.
KEXP is one of the best stations in the world. They play all kinds of music, from pop, jazz, blues, prog, punk whatever, even the occasional classic piece. And it is exactly that elaborate and knowledgeable mix which separates them from all the usual radio junk.
I’m still waiting for one of those “there’s still good music you just have to search for it” to give me an example.
@@aquatichighs but depends on What you listen too. I mostly like extreme metal, but outside of that, there's Yves Tumor, Salami Rose Joe Louis, Nova Twins, Fleshwater, Just Mustard and Eartheater. All of them released albums the Last two years.
I mostly hear basically a bunch of the same old "indie" (i.e., "like 1964, but ironically") stuff I've been hearing most of my life. (OK, maybe crossed with punk, too.)
What this video doesn't get is that in the Gen X days and younger Boomers, music was almost the entire culture of the youth. If you were to draw a ven diagram in 70's, 80's and 90's there would be large circles that cross over massively, and with the exception of perhaps film, music was a core element of personal and cultural identity. Today that diagram would consist of a smaller circle of ever changing pop tunes surrounded by 1000 tiny disconnected circles of sub-sub- sub genres, for better or worse.
Your argument is absolutist. I am gen z, I like music, I teach kids that like music therefore he is wrong and stupid. RIck's argumet is relativistic.
You simply have never experienced a culture where music was nearly the entire driving force of that culture. It is different now. I ask the kids I work with what there favorite artists are and they say, eh what ever. Sure there are geeks that drill down and follow increasingly obscure bands and artist, who love and relate to that music deeply, but the obscurity of the 2 dozen bands you rattled off demonstrates that most people, average music consumers do not know or care about them.
It is kind of like salt, in the past when salt was scarce, and you needed it to preserve your food, you cared a lot about salt, wars were fought over it. Today salt is too cheap to meter. Today music is everywhere, in your pocket, all the music our species has ever created and it's all FREE, to listen to anywhere, at anytime. So if a guy who was alive in India in the 30's says, today people do not care about salt, and you say "Yes they do, we eat salt with every meal", it is matter of relative intensity that the person today simply can not understand.
Rick's "rituals" represented that intensity. Nobody today has to make a choice to listen to Polyphia or Tool, you have all the music available for free. If you had $10 dollars you could get AC/DC OR Black Sabbath, but not both, and then nothing else for another month. You had to wait til you got home from school to listen to them as well. That record represented sacrifice and an exclusive decision.
Music or sports was how you gained attention ands elevated social status, and every high school had several bands of varying degrees of quality.
Today music is a small part of a sea of gaming, streaming services, TikTok etc. Status is achieved by social media presence, sometimes musical, other times by flipping s bottle of water, with the water flipper usually getting more engagement.
Are there Gen Z that LOVE music, yes, of course, but you have no idea of the depth and significance music played in culture and community before the social media age. So when he says kids today don't care about music, it's the same as somebody who paid an oppressive salt tax saying people today do not care about salt.
Wow.
Well. Freaking. Said.
I agree 1000 %.
bro wrote an essay. I give it an A+.
the rational observer of all time
Well said. I have clear cut memories of sitting around the stereo with friends while religiously listening to Sgt Pepper or the first Led Zeppelin album. Powerful moments ! I was in a band too. We did a pretty good cover of The Weight!
GTA has introduced so many people to artists they would have never heard our wise and thats just GTA.
Exactly. And motion pictures did the same when RB was young... Movies like "Once upon a Time in the West" or "Jesus Christ Superstar" were of huge influence at the time...
very true. i wouldve never heard ot black flag or other punk rock bands if not for playing as trevor in gta 5
What is GTA ?
GTA, Donkey Kong Country, Tony Hawk (anyone else rip the music from the PS1 cd back in the day?), the list goes on...nice Lain av
Interesting take. I watched that video and I thought he was making the point that the generation he grew up in was really into music mostly because that was the distraction of the day and Gen Z, on the other hand, might be less into music because there are other, more significant distractions surrounding them. If you look at the amount of money, time and attention that was thrown into the rock 'n roll and pop music industry in the 70's, 80's and 90's, it was HUGE and was rivalled only by the the Hollywood production machine. But since the age of the internet and the fact that it's pretty hard to make money in music anymore (at least not on the same scale) the focus is now on videogames. In fact, gaming is the top earning entertainment industry by a pretty massive margin.
I don't know that Rick was criticizing Gen Z so much as he might've just been making a valid observation...which often sounds like complaining when it comes out of "old peoples" mouths and hits "young peoples" ears.
Of course Gen Z isn't as into music as Gen X because media and money are no longer backing it like they used to. That said, musical performance by live bands has never been better because they can't rely on album sales to keep them going.
And yet, despite all that, my boomer mom still has no interest in music.
@@havable LoL... Well there's exceptions to every rule. You'd think growing up with the Beatles, the Stone's and Pink Floyd it'd be hard not to be into music 🤷♂️...
You are correct and there's far more on the idiot margin that only like pop/rap.
You are completely correct. Entertainment has been fragmenting more and more. However the cult like following that music can create still exists. Which is why successful bands still make it work financially. They somehow cut trough the noise or distractions and offer their audience a magical cultish experience. I believe this will become even more and more important over time.
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Except for videogames, which are multiple forms of entertainment wrapped together, including music.
The biggest difference BY FAR in my opinion is less of a focus on listening to full albums, or even learning artists names for that matter. I know this is anecdotal, but I worked with multiple people who were millennials (as am I) and couldn't even tell me a single artist they liked.The reasoning was all they listened to was Spotify EDM playlists while they played Rocket League. I still have plenty of friends and acquaintances who love music of all kinds and know tons of albums, but these are all musicians. The appreciation for music doesn't seem to be there for the general public as much as it used to, like if you look back music used to be everything to most of the youth, probably cause there was so much incredible music coming out in the 60s and 70s. I've even been told that being into music is considered cringy now by people from Gen Z lol the fools
Video games definitely have replaced a lot of interest that used to be put into music, whether you want to admit it or not. It just is what it is, not shitting on the younger generation cause there's still fantastic music out there, as well as video game music (Celeste B-sides is one of my favorite soundtracks ever) and also a lot of the bands you mentioned are very artistic and fresh, like BCNR, Squid, FIDLAR, MGMT, Black Midi, Thee Oh Sees, Nolan Potter Nightmare Band, King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard (specifically polygondwanaland one of the best albums of the decade), just to name a few. It just feels like music has become a lot more niche, but I still love finding new masterpiece albums.
sorry i got a little carried away.. i'm very passionate about music
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It's a sign of the times. I don't know if it's an under or even an over appreciation of music for that matter. Generations use whatever platform is available to them at the time they're living. Gen Z for example have the ease of using the internet where Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, etc. are the thing. So they are exposed to a plethora of different music, performers, and genres making it hard sometimes to focus on one or two bands. Some of these platforms were available when I was in my teens and early 20's, but never as streamline or as easy to use as they are today. We had the local DJ on the radio and relied on learning new groups, performers, and songs, etc. based on what they felt like playing. Also, when I look back, I had to update my vinyl collection when cassette tapes became a thing to only have to do it again when CDs came out. It's all relevant. But to say any particular generation lacks appreciation for music is an understatement. I think Rick means well, but it reminds me of things like our elders would say to us, "I had to walk to school uphill both ways in the snow..." That's the stance I think Rick means by his statements. He's a good guy and a fine musician. Take the good with the bad from anyone or anything. That's what makes it all so interesting in life, music, and love.
nah man as a music instructor I completely agree with this take you spitting right here bro
Never heard anyone of this generation sayin "being into music is cringy"
@@bruh......2005 they were two tools/bros, and one hot chick. I think they're just haters and jealous more than anything lol 😂 oh and they were saying it about other musicians, they had never heard me play
"I was playing games with my kids and they asked me if I liked the music, but I didn't even notice the music, I just cared about winning! And that's when I realized, these video games are so addictive and the kids don't care about music."
Soooooo, the kids like the music, but Rick didn't even notice the music, but the kids did, and thus this proves kids don't care about music?
I am so confused...
Music in video games is not the type of music he's talking about.
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 what makes it less valid lmao. the mario kart sax solo is more tonally colourful than any iron maiden song i can think of off the top of my head. what you're doing is just insulting an entire medium because you don't have the imagination to call it 'real music'
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 yes its often shittier
@@smidlem1117 You presume a lot without knowning anything about me. I know music in video games, and "music in video games is not the type of music he's talking about."
That statement says absolutely nothing about my opinion concerning video game music. I was a music composition major in the early 90s if you need a reference point.
He didn't say his kids asked him about the music he said his friend did.
To be fair. Rick has many times talked about the rediscovery of old music through games and other sources on the internet. Many old songs have gone up the charts again 30, 40 or more years after it was first released. Alot because of youtube. My son likes alot of music that I liked some 30-40 years ago and it’s not because of me. It’s through youtube and games. That’s a good thing and Rick have been saying this time and time again.
which proves the point in this video: Rick is just rambling incoherent arguments because you are now pointing out that he is just contradicting himself on this topic.
ah yes the internet and video games are only good they redirect people to the music of Rick's time.
@@santibanks Exactly!
@@santibanksNot really.
@steamline432 Exactly because that was the only real music. According to Rick.
Lots of running with assumptions in this one. Obviously he's not saying "no Zoomer is into music," but there's a lot of truth to the overall landscape in terms of fluff vs substance, especially in the mainstream. And as someone who's immensely frustrated with Boomers' effect on the world in general, I don't find his takes condescending or "pointing the finger" at the younger generation at all. A lot of this just makes sense. We don't fund the arts anymore, we don't incentivize music monetarily like we used to, the record and streaming companies suck the life out of musicianship and musical innovation-it's no wonder the quality of music, as a whole, is kind of objectively suffering right now. Look at production budgets these days compared to what they used to be. They're basically non-existent. By going full-fledged denialist is to discount the value of music education, production, songwriting, and healthy competition in a given "music scene." The fans aren't the ones making the decisions as to who becomes popular; the corporations, their algorithms, and money are. That's not to say there aren't individual exceptions of great new/young musicians, but the "meta" trend is undeniable.
95% of us are like Beato, at least _some_ of the time: We like to justify our own tastes, sometimes by condemning what we _don't_ like. Not many of us are secure enough to simply like what we like, and do what we do, without passing judgment on the rest of the world.
I have an 11 year old son that listens to music all the time and a 97 year old grandfather that couldn't care less about music. Generational gaps mean nothing.
I'm a gen X but had to sit through the bullshit of all the complaints about Millenials. Now that Millenials are older it's all bitching about Gen-Z. Everyone is trying to be so profound they don't realize they are just repeating the same cycle. It's like older generations want to blame younger generations for not having the same experience as them, but also will blame them if they make the same mistakes they did.
@@kimmux Very true. In the words of Elton John ... It's the circle of life!
but wtf do you still care about when your 97??
@@zimonslot I hope I'd still enjoy music at that age, but my grandfather never really showed an interest in music. Even when he was young.
@@critiqueeverything3297 I think part of that has some truth to it, but I also think that the newer generations have such an abundance of music to listen to that the industry has become much more spread out. I personally grew up in the 80's and 90's, but most of the music I listen to is from the 40's, 50's and 60's (Jazz). At some point most people will grow out of their rebellious stage and just listen to whatever they want. But maybe that's just me.
As an old fart, I haven't enough knowledge to know if Gen Z doesn't care about music. All I know is the whole industry has changed.
Maybe not but you should have enough common sense to know that the millions of people born between 95 and 2015 didn’t just magically stop liking music because internet. It’s ridiculous like all sweeping generalisations are.
Video games these days oftentimes have more intricate musical scores than block buster movies.
Do kids even have nightclubs and dance clubs and dance parties.
@@dirtygirl2468 There isn't much common sense these days. Most people don't play music, because of, they either don't want to pay for it, or because of self-righteous whinging neighbors, who believe people shouldn't be seen, and not heard.
No it’s just that most of the music they like, is utter shite!
Don’t feel bad he’s mostly right. I’m Gen X and 57 and our world did center around music., and for two decades now people talk about video games not music
20 years from now (20 minutes from now), this opinion piece will be dissed too - and so it goes with the passage of time. The need to fight back against not just bad things, but against everything is endemic to our times. If Beato is intimidating at all its because he's older, wiser, and educated. The golden age of pop music as a showcase for people playing their own instruments, their own songs, and speaking to a collective audience is over. There are fantastic musicians living right now, and perhaps some of the most uninformed and indifferent listeners of music as a technical, historical art form. To my ear, this video sounds like someone trying to gain attention by citing someone who already has earned it. Does music appreciation ala Rick Beato add to our rich music culture? I'll argue that it does.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you talked about Rick obssession with the concept of the "ROCK STAR". I'm Gen X, a kid in the 80s', teen in the 90's. I cannot put into words the ethos that surrounded these bands. It was such a huge part of our identity and community.
But, before the internet, everything was like that. Movies, movie stars, toy fads, game fads tv shows. There was more excitement and momentum around everything, because promotion and distrubution was so much more expensive and restricted. Companies and producers had to pool their resources behind fewer projects, because there was only so much space on cable or radio. Pop culture was a more collective experience back then, and I wish my kids could have experienced more things that way. I think memes are the only thing that come close today, and that's why every generation loves memes
As a Gen X kid, I was told so many times by late silent generation folks or early Boomers, that we didn’t know what music was. Rock ‘n’ roll had been destroyed and we all had “plink, plink“ keyboard, music.
I think it’s just something one generation hands down to the other 🤣
@@Saffron-sugar there's a lot of truth to that.
I think he's catering a lot to his boomer fanbase, too. Spews for views
pretty much. Memes and TikToks are only creative thing young kids do, top10 on spotify is 30-year olds that plugged into formula. They are not even sell-outs because they were never amazing.
I remember watching Steve Vai in Crossroads when I was 14-15. I just saw an alien that night. Who can you watch today? Everybody is learning music behind a PC nowadays. Steve Vai learned from Zappa. We are fucked.
Not sure I agree with the "every generation loves memes" but the rest is well said. Imagine what this generation will be saying to the next
What's also good about Rick is while he exchanges his ideas and opinions, he doesn't insult those opinions which oppose him.
Unlike Adam Neely, who is a meany.
Unlike the author of this (embarrassing) video
@@pancakemaster8567 I tend to agree with your assessment.
unlike this maker
Yes he does. Total asshole
Rick is absolutely right. The more you love music, the more you understand his point
Nope. You're just biased by age.
He sounds like a lot of my tired old boomer friends, just wishing for the good old days. I'm as old or older than RB, but he's he's full of it on this point.
Nah it's just a stereotypical oldhead take. I don't dislike him, but I'm tired of this "new music sucks now" saying when they don't actually make the effort to dig for some gold
I care more about music than just about anything else. Rick Beato is full of it, lmao
If the guy spent half as much time looking for good new music as he did ripping on top 40 garbage, he'd never run out of amazing shit to listen to.
@@hadrienhartgers3498than what am I? I’m Gen z and completely agree with everything Rick says, just because you feel offended by it doesn’t mean he’s wrong, he’s saying the truth out loud and a lot of zoomers can’t handle it
Rick Beato is a goddamn saint and of the last of his generation who does this because he’s too passionate to not do it. He’s in his 60s and he still possesses the joy and wonder everyone loses way before they’re his age.
he’s one of the best interviewers I’ve ever watched, he’s humble, down to earth, and just a solid good dude.
It’s there’s a problem, Rick ain’t it.
Okay now let's not over do it! He is good at what he does but "Saint"??? Dude please....You are obviously one of his cult flowers...LOL!🤣🤣🤣
this video is argument against your beato groupthink maybe try again? that idea you share w beatoff is just so goofy and inaccurate sorry
History repeats itself. It's bizarre to think but gen-Z will soon be doing the "back in my day" schtick as well. Call it the elitism of age...
I already hear that from people my age lol (I'm 18). Claiming music was better in the early 2010s lol and how 2008-2014 was the best era of music.
@@bw2937 that was honestly one of the worst periods of popular music lmfaooo rn is sm better
@@9002RPMSuhmmm, no? There’re actually some quite nice albums that came out between 2008 and 2014. But ok, maybe for your favourite genres it wasn’t that great, whatever 🤷🏻♂️
It's so hard! I'm 49. Back in the 80's I got so sick to death of Boomers droning on about how new music sucked, and how everything was better in the 60s. I promised, I'd never do that when I was older, but I have to fight the urge to say "New music sucks", and "Back in my day..." all the time.
@@michaelward1341 the Grammy Awards are coming in February. It’s always fascinating to experience the ratio between good music and the vapid shite that just happens to be “popular”. I’m looking for something that moves me, period.
Rick has his issues with wild generalisms and era-blaming, but I got the impression on that first line that he meant that games are so enthralling and require so much attention that they have so many fun things on hand that they aren't as likely to pick up and learn an instrument.
Rick is very open to hearing new music the thing is that with most modern pop there isnt much to hear,and you can see his sadness when there is nothing for him to champion.
Rick's generation grew up listening to the radio. Sound and music was channeled into his ears. Modern humans use their eyes, hands, AND ears when playing games. This multi-sensory experience is clearly more fun than being restricted solely to aural stimuli, and naturally means music is of less importance than it used to be, but I don't really see the point in moaning about it. Until nuclear war wipes out the internet and all our TV screens explode and survivors go back to bashing rocks together for pleasure, people are obviously going to be attracted to the most compelling forms of entertainment that modern technology enables.
@AutPen38- You just inadvertently proved Beato's point.
@@margaretedwards1366 It wasn't inadvertent.
Rick's only open to music of the genres he likes. He's only interested in championing that kind of music.@@craigusselman546
By explaining how today's bands wont achieve fame due to current musical landscape proves Rick's point! The consumers dictate the landscape and today's consumers see music as a side note where previously it was a bigger part of pop culture. You are too offended by this FACT to be objective.
I think what you’ve stated is the saddest part about this topic for me.
There's not a problem with Rick Beato. There's a problem with the lack of musicality in music, and young people either not knowing the difference or not caring.
If you think there's no good music around at the moment, then you're not paying attention. The internet has changed the game, so a lot of the genuinely talented artists are on the periphery & nowhere near the mainstream like they were back in the day. Young Gun Silver Fox, Lianne La Havas, Snarky Puppy, Thundercat, Louis Cole, Kamasi Washington to name but a few. And i'm Gen X in my early 50's, so a different generation.
If all music you know comes from the radio, it might appear that all music is lacking originality.
You are looking at a single point of great and ever expanding painting with a microscope, concluding that it consists of only one color, because that is all your small field of view lense is allowing you to see.
I could name you 10 genres you have never heard of. Innovative and extremely interesting genres, spearheaded by young bands and individuals.
Just in the last 10 years the development within music has been CRAZY fast and wild. You wouldn't even understand what is happening, because you are probably stuck in the cultural environment of 30+ years ago.
I agree but the thing is it’s not a valid point because if you bring that up you’ll labeled as an oldhead but it’s genuinely true
think on it more. what is musicality? like music that’s extra musical? sounds like you’re critiquing things like everyone you come across something, it’s avant garde noise / minimalism lol. like you want more notes per 5 seconds or what do you think it should be? i’m old too ps lol and theres always stuff you like that new if you try harder. there’s tons of older trash too.
I think you make many good points here. Some Rick might even agree with. To try to distill this down: people have changed and music has changed, enormously! The world has changed enormously. I’m about Ricks age and I can understand everything he says. He is very insightful from the perspective of someone coming up in the 80’s and 90’s and he is trying to understand this next generations music. Good in him, most people his age are completely checked out. He is right about the quality of music suffering at the top. Much of what we hear, by the time we get to it, is corporate garbage. But a rock guy with jazz chops is just not a thing anymore. He’s right, there’s nothing like the music of the nineties, nor should there be. I think he is most interesting when he shows us what is great about his era, not what’s bad about now. We older guys love our era, as it should be, but nothing is the same as it was and never will be. Kids get together now and show things they’ve found on the web, their knowledge of things SEEN is encyclopedic or wikipedic. It’s just a completely different way to exist. We used to be value going to places, now it is what you have seen, not where you’ve been. But it’s just what it is. Rick is a good guy, trying to help, to inform, to relate. I bet his demographic is 40+ men. He’s not really getting in genZ’s business. He’s letting old Police fans marvel at a 70-something year old Sting. It’s good for something.
I have a few criticisms of Beato too. His phenomenal understanding of music kind of outweighs that for me. I've learnt a lot from him.
Nah, go ahead. There can be no "oh yeah? then do it better than me!" kind of argument coming from authority. And no matter if he wants to or not, Beato has a huge audience and therefore authority. His opinion and statements influence his audience. And if he says nonsense - even if it is only sometimes -, it needs to be pointed out.
eh....i haven't actually learned much from him.. he has inspired me to practice more.
There are many people teaching music theory on UA-cam who have the same level of knowledge, if not higher, and they are healthier to watch. I mean, you can learn the same things from other people. He didn't invented them.
But are they interviewing the same caliber of musicians?
I disagreed with Beato a couple years ago when he was doing a live stream. He banned me. Lol
I still watch his interviews though, but his rants are wack and I can't go for that, no can do.
I think his channel is great, he talks about music, he does great analysis of bands and their albums, I don't see anything wrong with the guy having an opinion on his channel. If anyone who doesn't agree with him can simply not join his channel.
Dude, i graduated highschool a year before you were born. I was raised on rock stars. However, in the 90s, with the "Alternative" revolution, we started becoming more aware of the indie scene, much more so than before. And the technology to become a bedroom producer just went nuts from then on out, starting with portable 4 track tape studios, to recording on the first home computer based studios, to full-on DAWS and software instruments that were finally affordable to the average person if the just saved up a bit. It used to be that you HAD to be a rock star for anyone to hear your stuff, and now we have streaming and everything to spread stuff around. Rick seems to have fallen into the "back in my day" stage of his life. His parents probably told him the same thing about the bands he liked. And unfortunately, we probably will someday as well. But music, as everything, changes over time, and the gatekeepers will all eventually die off and things will progress. Rock on.
htf do you know his age? I'm not as old as Beato, but I think I'm a bit older than you, I graduated highschool before the 80s ended. And He did go through a music revolution, in that the generation before listened to Big Bands (in the 40s) maybe Classical, Opera, and continued to do so into the 80s. And Boomers really did consider music differently. In the 70s, sporting events didn't have recordings, just some person playing an organ; supermarkets and elevators had Musak, which was cheesy, cheaply made classical-type music. It's kinda shocking to me to hear sporting events not only playing rock and pop, but 50 year old rock. Not music form the 40s, though. And basically the technological side of the revolution were: speakers, and affordable electric guitars and bass, and tape cassettes! I'm basically restating and re-emphasizing what you're saying, His was a different revolution, and he just can't conceive of a different revolution, because we still listen to his generation's music. We didn't having a point we don't listen, like anything before "Rock 'round the Clock" by Bill Haley. His generation, even if not he himself, did. The DJs of the 70s, 80s and 90s didn't play stuff before mid-50s.
@@squirlmy He said he was born in 1996.
Rick might be wrong about Gen Zs relationship with music, but you seem to be attributing a much greater attitude of criticism to the video than there actually was. He was just looking at differences in the generations without making value judgements.
Rick in general is right about the generational changes and how the internet has changed music and also how the internet and gaming have become more addictive. He doesn't need to be 100% correct. I feel that the younger generation is too picky and feels the need to throw criticism because thats what it wants to do.
"Without making value judgements." "How computers ruined rock music." Sure there, bud.
@@TF_Tony Quote ke where he says something bad about Gen Z, or even says that's it's wrong for rock music to go out of style. I'll wait.
Yeah. Rick is Great.
i feel the same.
He don"t say genZ utilize internet, he say GenZ GREW UP with internet, and that's a world of difference.
i agree. the problem with this guy(sorry that i don't know who he is, but people seem to know him) talking about Rick Beato, is that he is not such a good listener. Rick compliments gen Z several times about all kinds of stuff they can do better. Like gaming better than him, and playing/copying all kinds of music we the older generation probably weren't able to play that well, because we didn't had 'the YT tutorial'. So that is what Gen Z is really good in. Even 'virtuosic' We(the old guys) had the advantage of the repetition. Because we had to try so many times with the LP. or cassette tape winding back. That gave us other advantages. But this guy seems really angry and does also the ugly-face-video-stop-motion-trick with Beato. That is not an act of of great intellectual capabilities. That is just showing that you can't handle your emotions with well-chosen words.
I'm 60 years old and I was in Olympia and Seattle when one of my favorite local bands became
"rock stars" and were over-hyped into despair and suicide within a few short years. I'm sure you can guess which band I'm talking about. Fame is the worst drug of all, even when you don't seek it, and it can destroy art and artists.
Seeing you play Psycho Killer earned my subscription!
Damn, Kurt could be 57 this year.
If you're from that era and those places (me too, give or take 20 miles) curious, do you know the notorious "Tom Bonehead" of Bumwater, I mean Tumwater, WA?
Hmm. I think a major problem is the amount of people who want to make music, but are unwilling to put in the hours to learn music in depth calling oneself a “producer” because they bought a unison midi chord pack and make beats on fl studio. ‘Musicianship should be a journey, not disposable cheap thrill. But sadly it’s what people want to hear:(
I am 68. Pro guitar player. Good vid. Problem is lack of venue. I caught the tail end of the Vietnam era music scene which was everywhere and was glorious even though Vietnam was horrific. If you played in cover bands and had no ear training you would be hurting to learn songs because of lack of instructional base. Beato is right about that. You could and did develop your style in all that venue. Plus, you learned how to work audiences and club owners.
Yes, the present offers great access to instruction and I love studying all kinds of theory not really all that available back in the day but........where do you now play live? What gig is there worth doing and how do you string them together to make a living? I used to play 7 days a week for hire whenever I wanted to, anywhere, any town. Not now....In your house in front of the camera red light is the gig? Musical yin and yang. Knowledge now, but no gig except the virtual gig. Not much dimension there, imo.
So? Beato for general knowledge, but do your own thing because there is no real music profession, not that there ever really was like other jobs but now, no venue, no promotional industry, albeit mobbed up, leaves you entirely on your own, which...has its own unique opportunities. You can go from zero to hero on the net but it used to be a steady gig complete with the musicians lifestyle.........not now nomatter how good you are or better yet, how truly bad you are.
Too bad though, the stories I can tell from being a 70's touring rocker just can't be relived today. Not just about sex and drugs but mostly about avoiding "the man" and the band of brothers and unspoken language music and how it transcends. This experience is a soul blessing that never leaves you.
Computer games? I wouldn't know but if you have a real pin ball machine, can I come over?
Yeah man I think you hit the nail on the head. I’m 25 and just started getting gigs after covid. I don’t know the world you lived in. I’m from New Zealand so there’s not a huge population. But god, there just is such a lack of places to play with ears to listen to grow your ideas.
A gig is a great litmus test of whether or not you’re going down the right path I feel. You get a sense of who you are in front of an audience and that BUILDS YOU. but when I only get that once in a blue moon it’s so hard to keep momentum building, to keep your band motivated, to keep fresh things happening.
I don’t know what to do really, I just take every gig that is thrown at me and hope to god that someone there will hear the music and feel what is being created and that leads to more opportunities. It’s all you can do
There aren't enough people going to live local rock shows. The internet might be a part of the problem with it. Now we can listen to anything for basically free for hours on end with a smartphone and internet connection. I have around 75 GB of mp3 files, which is around 3 days of music. All of this is much more than your old record collection back in the day. Back in your day going to a local rock show was a great way to discover new music outside the classic hits. Keep on rocking Pinball wizard 🎸🤘
Let's face it; most Gen Z people are socially inept. It's just a fact.
@@benl5341I feel bad for you man. You should find a city where there is a vibrant club/music scene. They are few and far between these days, but there are still a few.
Understood. In my large suburb of 100K people there are zero live venues. In 1980 there were probably about 15. And back then the city had one third the people. No places to play = no scene and no opportunity to develop the live music work ethic or to get known.
It’s not stupid to think as Rick explains how kids bought records and they meant more to them than some kid who can’t even make it through the first verse of a song before skipping to the next one.
Correct this guy this video is an idiot
Yet I knew teenagers who couldn’t wait to come home after school to put on Spotify, headphones on and drop in their bed for some intensive listening to their favorite rappers. Listening note for note and word for word.
His problem is that he's stuck in just a few genres, and they produced really massive icons in the past. He comes off as 50% about rock, 30% jazz and the rest some mix of pop and other stuff.
I am a boomer like him and was also stuck like that for a large part of my life. Then about 10 years ago I jumped into the ocean of online music of ALL genres and discovered that it is littered with masterpieces few people have heard about. Life (mine) is literally too short to find them all, and that's the biggest problem (discovery). I just listened to Khruangbin - Texas Sun, and now Far Rider by Still Corners came on. I wonder if he ever heard them.
He has, at least Khruangbin because he's talked about them in a video or two.
I think he was trying to say that kids have endless options now.
I’m Gen X. We had 6 channels on TV, books, and a record player. That’s pretty much it. I’m sure you can see why less kids these days value music like we did.
The problem with music today is a direct result of the over-corporatization of the industry. There are plenty of great young bands out there that will never have the same opportunities as previous generations. Corporate songwriters have monopolized the market, making it extremely difficult for emerging artists to break through. But hey, that's what happens when capitalism goes unchecked. This is one of many sectors where corporate giants have crushed small businesses and workers.
Actually, it was quite the opposite. Technology and streaming had a detrimental impact on the small yet professional studios, producers, and bands comprising individual musicians playing together.
Consequently, we ended up with a highly streamlined roster of major artists, and a new generation of DIY musicians emerged, operating from their basements. These DIY artists are forced to handle every aspect of their music production.
As a result, the basement musician is responsible for recording, mixing, mastering, writing, and producing their own music. We all know what happens when someone has to juggle too many tasks-it often leads to an overall subpar outcome.
"It's exactly the opposite!"
(Proceeds to agree with the original statement)
Blaming capitalism🤣
@@dimitrisdimitriadis4913 The first post blamed capitalism, but my post indicated that technology has significantly transformed the playing field. It could be argued that advancements in technology are a result of capitalism, and I will grant that point.
@@jimreplicant No, I'm blaming governments. I said, "that's what happens when capitalism goes unchecked". I'm a firm advocate for a market-based economy, but it must be properly regulated to prevent price-gouging monopolies and exploitation.
Big rock stars like we had in the 60s, 70s, 80s and the 90s were possible only because the handful of record companies that could distribute records internationally were acting as gatekeepers. In the 80s I’ve seen bands getting rejected by record companies not because they were not good enough but because it would cannibalize the sales of one of the bands they already have in their portfolio. By doing that the bands that were signed had more space to grow to become huge. Nowadays anyone can produce a song in their bedroom and post it on social media. There’s no gatekeepers, once an artist can raise over the noise level of the pile of crap that is put online every day, they can build their audience that most of the time will be relatively small. Some of them eventually get signed but record companies no longer invest large sums of money to promote their artists, they expect their artists to already have a significant following on social media. They no longer invest to promote their artists because since there’s no gate keeping they can’t prevent another similar artist to become the flavour of the month and eclipse their expensive marketing campaign. The music industry has changed, nowadays we see more artists that have relatively small audience scattered internationally as opposed to big international stars with huge audience all over the world.
Social Media though will always keep music blander than it was, sadly. You now have to be attractive and have a salesman like personality/charisma. Being a salesman and being an artist are two different personality types. It's why, as open as the internet has made things, we have no great works of art from Gen-Z.
@MurphysLaw996 Exactly, well said.
@@stinghouseproductions8502 You're clueless and out of touch. Music is getting weirder and better than ever.
@@joethompson9124 yet you cite no music for me to listen to in order to prove your point. You just insult.
@@stinghouseproductions8502 Correct. I don't know what you're into. Why should I hold your hand? It's out there if you actually enjoy music and care to look.
Excuse my ignorance but what is the song at 14:00 - I must hear more!
Rick is pretty much spot on. Most of the music made today will not be listened to by future generations. While so much of the music made during Rick's generation is still the mainstay for good music.
True.
But we don't listen to /most/ of the music from Rick's generation either-just a narrow slice of the really good stuff. That's how it'll be with this generation, as it has been.
@@AlystrZelland we'll see about that. In the meantime, enjoy your Taylor Swift.
Spot on. We are still listening to Beatles and Stones music from fifty years ago.
@@AlystrZelland Not really, the thing is that Rick's generation music had the potential to trascend forever. It may be a narrow slice, but still a bigger one, with tons of recognizable artists. If we speak about the music of the last ten years is fun seeing how those viral hits aged very fast, and other ones feel cringe worthy, because a lot of those songs turned viral just for meme reasons. When I listen to ABBA in radio it feels like a timeless classic, it never will get old. But you don't listen Gangnam style or Despacito anymore, is music with a very short lifespan, you won't see those songs featured in films in the next 20 years.
Media had the potential to make music trascendental, but now everything is disposable. Is so strange how before everyone knew and could recognize The beatles or Michael jackson, teens and boomers knew them, being popular back then meant being part of the world culture and music history. Now you see the spotify top 10 and is strange how very few of those artist have any cultural relevance outside the bubble of their fans. Media has changed since internet, how music is consumed changed too, radio now is just a legacy media, tv is dead, tiktok reigns, now everything is a niche, some are massive and other very small.
I love video game music.
I also love Mahler, Sibelius, Debussy and others.
I think what Rick is experiencing is the sense of being overwhelmed. When you're not experienced with games, it's more difficult to take it all in.
When you get used to it, then you start to notice more details, because you're not focused on playing well.
Bingo. You can't focus on anything else when you're trying to ride a skateboard for the first time. An elephant could literally shit at your feet and you'd hardly notice because you're unable to focus on secondary stimuli.
@@phil6899You think he just learned about video games last week?
@@darcyperkins7041 He has said he isn't a seasoned gamer in his videos. I used to have a video game addiction and some games today still have a learning curve that distracts me from aspects of the audio-visual lustre.
So when they explicitly ask you to turn your smartphone off at classical music concerts they are basically wrong? They just need to get better at something?
@@orestezanardo4468 No. When you're sitting for the expressed purpose of listening to an orchestra play classical music, then that is what you need to focus on. Just like with a movie, the purpose of the music is different in games.
For the most part, classical music stands by itself and doesn't need visuals or anything else to enhance it. Film and video games have visuals as a main component, but they are not necessarily the central focus. So the music is listened to in that context. For the most part, the music enhances everything and adds to the experience.
That being said, a lot of music in games can stand up just fine by itself.
Really enjoying the Skyward Sword soundtrack right now.
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Rick clearly isn't speaking in absolutes, he is formulating a hypothesis to the disparity of passionate musicians in mainstream society versus the decades of his youth. Clearly if he isn't a regular gamer, he's gonna be more distracted away from the music to embrace the learning curve and mechanics of modern games to engage with his family members in a meaningful way. Imagine trying to ride a bike, you block out other stimuli in order to fulfil the task at hand. Rick is a musical god and is an incredibly inspiring and remarkable teacher with a humble and likeable personality. He praises all his musical guests and gives credit to modern music all too often and sometimes just goes with a video title that is a bit more visceral representation of his thoughts to get attention.
I watched the vid when it came out and it felt like absolutes to me. Its why I started watching him a lot less. There is too much stuff on the internet to waste my time with trash talk about a generation the guy clearly has no clue about.
@@havable this is the problem with young people, cannot tolerate anything. Wonder where the world will go. Youngsters think everything will come easy to them. After the internet and social media boom there haven't been so many depressed young people ever. And not talking about over weight... lets see if you tolerate these facts. 😂
@@rabarebraSeems you got a bit rattled snowflake.
@rabarebra Bro I’m a classical musician and composer of 13 years and rock/hiphop for 15. I grew up with those genres before the internet and I can still see Rick Is full of bs. He doesn’t get it, the new way of things. Rather than accepting this and wanting to learn more, he does what every older generation does to the newer generations: keeping a distance and judging it all with a holier than thou attitude. Big mistake. Rick at some point was part of the youngster culture whose music sounded like noise to their parents.
Anyway I always troll him by calling him Rick beat-o. He doesn't like it and removes my comment every time hahha
Well done. Exposing Your stupidity.
9:24 a lot of what he’s said so far is actually true and I especially agree with this point. He’s not wrong. He’s simply inarticulate and full of himself. That does not invalidate his points.
In my day (boomer here) I had to walk to guitar lessons in the snow and take my lessons with frozen fingers and hear my guitar teacher tell me how I had it easier than he did because he couldn't afford to buy records (vinyl for those wondering what I'm talking about) when he was learning. I could complain that today's guitarists (musicians) can do everything from the comfort of their own bedroom but then I would be just like Rick in some respect. It's the same story because every generation stands on the shoulders of artists that came before them and exploits contemporary technology to leap ahead of those older artists. "Generational-ism", is a type of bias or prejudice against a group of people, based on when they were born and how that generation lived their lives or achieved their success. It seems to creep into conversations about how unfair it is that younger generations didn't suffer as much while learning their craft. Sorry boomers and X-ers, what makes younger generations life easier today also makes your life easier so you can live long enough to complain about even younger generations.
Nah, not really. It's not about working hard for the gear. I'm sure quite a few hours are spent today in front of UA-cam, practicing until your teenage fingers bleed, and begging for money on Patreon to buy that piece of gear you long for. However, what's missing today is the live interaction, meeting with fellow human beings three times a week. It produces better results than just one person trying to manipulate a sample in milliseconds to get it to "groove."
@@slydawwg yeah, shit music did not exist in the time of our grandfathers, I'm sure hahahaha
But do you have perfect pitch 😊
@@misterkite99 It certainly did but it rarely made it´s way up the charts.
@@Nick_CF You can learn perfect pitch.
I've heard Rick say this and did get a little confused because I grew up playing a lot of video games and I think it went hand in hand in growing my obsession to music. I'm 19 btw
IKR. like especially the irony is that one of the most captivating parts of growing up on nintendo games not just the mk series, is the music that drew us as children.. im 19 as well
final fantasy has a couple soundtracks that I like to play for back ground music. rick is becoming a menace.
@@Kevinschart hahahahaha becoming a menace 🤣 He was wrong, clearly wrong... but, it wasn't a big deal. He was just obviously wrong. That's not very menacing hahaha
Right on! I was obsessed with the songs from my Super Nintendo/N64 games and it subliminally got me really into music. I got Tony Hawk's Pro Skater and it opened my world up to a bunch of bands I've never heard of, and I've been a music nerd ever since.
Even for us olds. I remember how much I loved some of the old NES music, TMNT, Ninja Gaiden 2, and even more elaborate stuff at our local arcade. You saw a lot of Nintendo rock cover bands popping up mid-2000s as a result, like Minibosses, The Advantage, etc. Video games were very musically inspiring from the first beep boop.
i'm a pro musician since 1987 and a music teacher since 1993. What i observed over this time is the decrease of interest in younger people in music. Music has not the value for them like in the 60ies, 70ies, 80ies... Yes there are more phantastic young musicians today than ever before. But do a majority of their age care about them and about music in general ??? Not like previous generation cared about the music of their generations. And it is not the same if you just listen to a record that you have to save money for at least some days or you have a constant streaming of music with a flatrate or for free (adds). If anybody plays a game with music - do you think the attention is more on the music than on the game or split evenly ??? Is there anyone who buys regularly games just to listen to ??? Today i have 7 bass students... one is 13 years old, one 17 and 5 are 42 to 72 years old. They are all great but there is much less interest among younger students (wich i have in different band-projects) than in my generation. There is so much more distraction and possibilities for other interests than it used to be. IMHO.
Regarding game music, a great composer Koichi Sugiyama influenced my musical experience so the problem of younger people on music isn't due to gaming. Gen Z is broken off from the cultural continuation but it's the natural consequence because communications through all technologies are destined to like-a dolphin telepath. A thick book, an album in 40-50 minutes, must be changed to 1 minute content nowadays and submissions in a second are still ideal for human beings. On the other hand, this will be a trap for us because concentration in long hours is required if you want to pass examinations or accomplish an outstanding achievement. Social disparity can be avoided for those who come to notice this fact. Watching Netflix, purchasing on Amazon, TikTok.. All poisonous if you're not a content provider who can get income through those media. Music is not exceptional.
Ricks videos are an articulation of his experience and knowledge as a professional musican/producer. Its his point-of-view, and I have never seen him claim his observations are some infallible facts about the world, just that he sees things have changed greatly and is theorizing on why, how, and what it means for the future.
His thoughts often evolve, which is a good indicator hes allowing new info to guide him more than just relying on confirmation bias.
Mostly, it seems Mr. Beato mourns heavily the loss of Music as a dominate cultural force. Advancing technologies has given the power of making and distributing music to the commoner, which is both good and bad, but mostly radically shifted and unstoppable; so there's going to be a period of untethered flux before things settle into a more uniting experience again.
Who knows how long that may take? Rick seems to want to preserve and communicate some aspect of music that is being lost in the shuffle. I appreciate hearing the musings of someone much older than I who sincerely loves music in both its existence and creation.
Excellent and wise take.
There are some things I like about Beato, and some things I don't. But I think that what he means is that digital media has sucked away the attention of younger people that used to be dedicated to learning instruments and music. That's what he means by "they don't care about music". Maybe true, maybe not.
@@BillKurn I think that is correct. But also the “commitment” to music, whether it be a genre, a band, an entire album. Once the album “died” and youth began only buying a single song by a group, there has been a loss of a commitment to the art. I liken it to readers today only picking out quotes/memes from a literary work without ever reading the whole work, let alone reading several books by a single author/collaborative author pair. The construct upon which most of us Gen Xers, especially, built our memories upon were more solid, less fleeting, compared with a digital download or stream of one song at a time by lots of disparate artists/genres. Which is fine, that is like radio. But most people I know that have only a “need for background noise” are those that typically do not buy complete works and instead skim the radio or create an mp3 list or YT list of individual songs.
Well said!!!!!
@@skiphoffenflaven8004 this is kinda just wrong (heavily anecdotal). albums are still a big thing, theyre just online now. people still "stan" artists and love them and have commitments to them
- "Our coming of age thing was buying records"
It also was my thing being born in 2002. I wouldn't have known about it if it weren't from both my parents and the Internet.
- "You could only buy a certain amount of records"
I could only buy a certain amount as well since the prices went up by $15 on average
- "And you would listen to these records all the way through"
I do that too because the ritual is very therapeutic for my ADHD and I tend to pay attention more to the music when I play it on my turntable
- "It was different music than what your parents grew up with, this was our music"
It still applies. I don't recall my parents listening to industrial hip hop, indie rock, shoegaze, etc. Granted, my parents were into The Beatles as well.
But like Rick Beato, you are just you and you have a bias to your own experience. You are not like MOST young people. When I grew up in the '80s, the radio was switched on at 7.30 in the morning, and music was everywhere. One of the most popular TV shows was Top of the Pops. Today's kids spend far more time playing video games, or watching UA-cam or Netflix, or listening to podcasts, or chatting on social media than my generation spent listening to music. A lot of youngsters' experience of music is 30-second clips on TikTok. They don't listen to whole albums in the right order. The world has changed. You, I, and Rick Beato might not like the way that the consumption of music has changed, and we might not like that music's importance has been degraded by the rise of newer technologies, but it's just reality.
@@AutPen38 Dude, the point I was trying to make is that we still have access to older technology. The reason why it's not as common in my demographic is because it's not the only way to do so, and it's seen as old.
What you wrote above applies to young people who would watch Rick Beato
Not to young people from 2002 in general.
People born around 2000 had no need to ever buy records. By the time of 2015 most music was listened to on streaming.
And that is exactly Beato’s point.
I was born in 1986. When I left primary school I asked Eric Clapton's Reptile as a gift. According to Rick I shouldn't exist.
@@AutPen38 how do you know? I see kids with earphones everywhere. What are they listening to? Alex Jones?
The point is: Games are more engaging than the music. Kids play game and their main goal isn't to make effort to listen, but to make effort to win the game.
Compare that to time when people would buy vinyl and replayed it time after time. How many times a year non-musician sits and just listens with fool attention just to the music? Once? Twice. My friend of 26 years once said to me: Oh I just realized why music is interesting. All those people doing different thing, but it all melts down in one place and it sounds good. So it took my friend 26 years and a weed to realise just a basic fact of music. And I think she even went further than many modern "musicians". So yeah, I agree with Rick on this. Most people don't really care about music.
When I started to care about music around age 11 my level of love and caring for music has not wavered higher or lower in many decades😊
I'm 10 years older than Rick, and my parents always used to tell me my music sucked. It's just an endless generation thing, don't take it seriously. Modern music is always for the young, by the young, and if it were the same as what Beato likes, then it would be extremely boring and stale.
I appreciate/own/perform music that's WAY before my time.I prefer music that requires/involves technical prowess(some),and has beautiful melodies.Simple is ok too,but performing"fancy"stuff has served me well.Especially when playing for people who know/appreciate"Good".The younger generation pretty much doesn't.(In my experience).
Because quality and effort and complexity and sophistication are boring and stale, while the putrid pitch-corrected looped garbage on your nasty little tik-tok is exciting and new.
@@rudygracia5573 But simple melodies are so hard to actually write. What it looks like on paper isn't an indication of how hard it was to make. And the production complexity has taken the place of harmonic complexity nowadays.
appreciate your comment Edward, good man
17 yrs old here and I personally don’t like modern music, I love listening and discovering old music and my favourite band is the Rolling Stones.
As a late Millennial, I do know and hang out with mostly GenZ people and as much as Rick's reasoning is flawed, his observations about lack of interests aren't too off in my experience.
I rarely come across younger people these days who are into music.. like really into it. That number has always been small, but it's getting smaller I feel.
In fact, this one time I was meeting a group of mostly new people, where one guy picked up that I played music and started talking about music. He asked everyone what they are listening to these days, and one guy just froze. Wasn't able to come up with answer. Then this other person says "you must be a podcast kinda person then". And he said yes, while many others echoed that sentiment. I think my heart broke a little that day.
Yeah I think this guy just took Rick's video personally because **he's** not disinterested in music. Most Gen Z kids don't really care that much about music the way prior generations absolutely worshiped it.
podcasts would just be called radio talk shows back then. some ppl just aren't really into music, and that's always been a thing. you haven't met every gen z person out there
That’s been my exact experience too. Sure there’s a few kids now that are Really in to music and say ridiculous things like music has never been better because they lack any real perspective but mostly it’s a lot of musical indifference I find.
There'll always be one guy. Honestly as a young-un I was that guy. My musical knowledge mostly extended to whatever was popular on the radio, and to this day I don't know who sings half the pop songs and could name maybe one Ed Sheeran song (shape of you?). I'm probably as musically knowledgable now as I've ever been, but I'd have definitely given crap answers in the early 2000s since my current interests tended to change often and I'm not a person that tends to have favourite-anythings.
@@bastetowl3258 it has not been always like that. In the 80ies (when i was a teenager) the release of a new album was an event and you would talk for weeks about it. a teenager would define him/herself about the music he/she listened to. Maybe not everyone but a big majority.
being an old geezer I totally missed this. i agree with you. very good. i had a sense of this, but until I saw your video. oh and by the way lots of geezers don't care about music too. on the other hand. I can only wish him continued success, thanks for making this
The difference is simply lack of band gigs theses days. My last one was in 2000 but gigs generally dried up around 86'.
I see people on their cell phones in clubs now and I'm very happy not to be gigging anymore.
What a silly comment. There’s 15 great clubs within 3-5 mile radius that host an array of bands near my house in Philadelphia.
@@jeff7764lucky you that you live in Philadelphia. There’s very few in ocean county NJ. Other than the typical strip joint, there’s only one within 25 miles of me. I think strip joints use pre recorded music. Too bad they don’t go with live music.
Rick does realise that millions of people enjoy listening to videogame OST's daily 😂
Rick has already forgotten more about music than most UA-camrs will ever learn.
he hasnt forgotten to be a boring old fart complaining about the kids today! its a dull take and he is a predictable bore for doing it, he is turning into grandpa simpson.
he's not hunting down the indie scene, the unknowns. I've tried a few times to shake his tree. The amount of pull he has on his channel would help to excel unknown artists, who just can't get a fanbase. He needs to see it. I saw it years ago when I formed We are the New Underground, with its label WEATNU Records. Do you know how difficult it is these days to find a fanbase? Nearly impossible. If he took his blinders off his eyes for one moment and looked around him, he would find unknown, non-mainstream music, I gave up the mainstream back in 2000 2003 / because it was getting so bad. If he were to start showcasing the underground music, people would love it.
When god said, "Let there be Music!" Rick Beato said, "Say Please."
@Almark maybe because a lot of indy music stinks and he doesn't want to promote them.
He doesn't owe them anything.
Did you know that "music theory" was created when Rick Beato turned his Sophomore mid terms?
There’s no problem with Rick Beato. The problem is this generation of whinny ignorants
There are current artists that I like. I try to suss out why my mind doesn't retain a ready list of them when I want to play someone new. I had the communal and immersive experience of a tactile album enjoyed in stillness. My medium was completely different. My Gen Z friend still likes to put on a playlist and share them while driving in a car just to listen I hear a strong emotional reaction when you posted this, very divisive, but your reason is totally understandable. I have failed myself because I don't do the effort to dig deeper like I used to because other survival stresses have become more urgent with age (sadly).
I'm not that much younger than Rick, but I'm trying not to close my mind and have strong opinions. In other words as we get older, it becomes harder to keep our minds open. Maybe being comfortable with not knowing about everthing and an attitude of exploration leads to a richer experience of not just music, but of life generally!
OK. But, these days just stating an obvious fact gets people so offended. That’s very different than it was decades ago. For a few years in the late 60s and early 70s radio DJs played anything they liked regardless of label, category, genre’, or description. So, we were exposed to a wide variety of music. And school had music programs that encouraged music appreciation and expanding our experience, expectations, through exploration. I hope young people are discovering and sharing the universe of offerings. OK?
@@ed.z. Maybe it depends on where you live. Here in Australia, radio stations have been pretty much the same for 40+ years. Even when we had things like MTV (here it was a TV show, not a 24/7 channel) it had a very narrow selection of music, mostly pop. Music is now more easily accessed if we want to put in the effort.
@@ed.z. Uhh what being offended has to do with this?
It just feels like autotune has taken the talent out of a lot of music
@@hagars35 Yeah, but in the 80s people complained about synths, sequencing and vocoders!
I agree with Beato. It IS much different. Is that bad? Meh, I don’t care. I’ll stick with music and I’ll continue to happily ignore video games and play guitar all by myself if I must. I love it. Peace.
I'm 66 years old and used to play in bands. I haven't gigged since 2000. For a number of reasons, band gigs dried up starting around the mid to late 80's.
Rick was a band guy who transitioned very well into other things and I like his videos.
Naturally bands still exist but it's nothing like it was in the 60's, 70's and part of the 80's.
In other words, Beato is right.
The same dumb comment, not once but twice 🤦🏻
I'd love to hear new banfs... any recommendations?
That thing about being a super technical player in your own bedroom isn't something Rick is complaining about, what his point seems to be is he'd love these players to get together and hone their skills in bands, get more live music out there. He seems to suggest there is an aspect of their playing and development that is missing, and I'm sure that's fair comment for some. Unfortunately music isn't as valued as it once was and there are lots of other ways to spend your time. I've never stopped playing a video game because the soundtrack wasn't good enough as that is incidental to the gaming experience.
When you say “music isn’t as valued as it once was” what is that based off of?
@@BeachHouse83 statistics around the value of music sales, a lot of anecdotal evidence re the fewer number of people who regularly play an instrument
exactly, i said this the other day. you never see these instagram guitarists doing actual gigs. they arent capable of putting on a show longer than the 30 second clip that they are used to.
The thing that he also may have forgot is everyone’s a lot more alienated so finding band mates your age is incredibly difficult.
Yeah right? If there was only some device where you can communicate with literally millions of people with similar interests.
It's being married to your phone and video games that makes it so.
@@davisworth5114As if old people weren't addicted as well.
Old farts are constantly glued to facebook.
To the point where sometimes, I the 21 year old, am the only one not on my phone.
It's frustrating wanting to talk and they just mindlessly scroll through facebook. It's not even a good social media
Well, the hip young kids will have to make it trendy & cool to meet IRL.
lol that youth in the seventies weren't alienated you just aint that unique
Who's the band shown at 12:50? With the Neil Young shirt?
METZ, a great noise Rock band worth checking out!!
GenXer here…great video! Thanks for uploading 👍🏻
1. Music is in trouble, artist's can't make money selling recorded music anymore and have to tour and sell swag to make a living. 2. Music is in great shape, we have 500,000 songs at the tips of our fingers on streaming services, on devices we can carry everywhere.
Which is true? Both? For learning musicians, I'm jealous of all the resources available now. Free lessons for literally any song on any instrument. It's fantastic. As a kid , I struggled to learn guitar and vocal, you either had a good teacher for in person lessons, or you floundered.
I couldn't even tune the damn thing: still upsets me.
Musicians throughout history have been broke. Only from the 1930s to 1990s were they able to make money and obscene amounts. But even then certainly not all but maybe the top 20 artists. The top 100 were comfortable and it seems it went down quickly from there.
Well everybody has their opinions and Rick is no exception. I think he's shown a lot of enthusiasm about rock music and keeping it alive.
i don’t think this video discredits ricks passion for music, i think this video is aware that his heart is in the right place regardless of his flimsy points about gen z
He shows a lot of enthusiasm about pop music. If he was a real rock advocate he’d be giving praise to the 100’s of rad bands of today that just aren’t popular in the grand scheme and using his platform to boost them. This video makes a good point. If the bands aren’t “popular” then they aren’t relevant to him.
@@nicholaschavira1743 He does, you knob. You obviously don't watch his videos. He often discusses obscure artists.
@@bradley3123 Apparently you didn't read the title. This video was made by a no-talent loser to get clicks by using the name of an established you-tuber.
@@anniedarkhorse6791 I do.. idk if you know what obscure means. And they aren’t even “obscure” he still talks about bands that are already relevant and popular. Do you live under a rock? That these bands are obscure to you… 👀
I played Smash bros. with my musician and composer uncle a couple years back. It was his first time playing something like that. It was also my first playing Smash bros. Ultimate, but I played other Smash games all my life, so the controls come natural to me. I remember remarking about the soundtrack, and I asked for his opinion while playing it and his response was, "ohh right, there's music". Mind you this guy always notices the musical score of any movie we watch, without losing the plot of the movie, but he didn't even notice there was music in the game. He can hold a conversation about the music of a movie, while watching without losing important information.
My theory is that he's using 100% of his brain on the gameplay. The hand-eye coordination, the decision making, the memorization, the movement prediction, all of it was taking up his brain space. Whereas I, an elite gamer extraordinaire, can casually play decent at the game, leaving a good amount of brain space to pay attention to the music, the ambience, hold a conversation, etc. He's a much better musician than I am, he has a much better ear for music, and his knowledge far outweighs mine, but he couldn't even notice the music in the moment. Of course afterwards when he starts to pay attention he can remark on it.
I think this is what is happening to Ol' Boomer Beato here. He's a career musician/composer/engineer. No time to play vidya gehms, and so it takes up 100% of his brain to play Mariokart. Whereas his friend, probably an elite gamer, can do that and pay attention to the music.
A million percent correct
Elite gamer here, ranked #1 in my country in street fighter 6 master rank wit multiple chars. My biggest musical flex is I can make ppl think I can play and I have learned 2 jimi hendrix songs, half of a polyphia song, animals as leader songs and the intro to a guthrie govan song.
I dont and cant pay attention to music when I play because street fighter is a different video game where u NEED to make every decision count.
It's not just a boomer/elite gamer thing it literally might just be a skill gap/proficiency thing.
@@Jamsessionroom1337 I think you're coming at it from the perspective of a competitive gamer. Of course when playing competitively, music be damned, I'm here to win the match. But I was just speaking on casual play. Just hanging out on a couch, shooting the shit, while mashing buttons. Elite gamers, or just gamers(xd), won't be thinking of what button to press to jump, what button to dodge, to duck, to use ability, etc. Whereas boomers will, thus not leaving brain capacity to listen to the music.
Also bro what kind of guitar routine do you have lmao.
I think that you missed Ricks point that modern day music is crap. That's why all of the music from the 70s and 80s is selling more than the modern music today.
He is right Gen Z has less to offer music than any other since WW2
are you even listening to music from gen z?
Whilst Rick dwells mostly on the musicians of earlier decades, these are the ones that have stood the test of time. It's really too early to say which of the current generation of bands will leave a lasting legacy, but I am sure that the best of them will be as revered as our current heroes, and someone like Rick will be making videos about them in 30 years time.
I don’t want to know the answer to that
I think part of the issue is that access to platforms used to be very minimal. Rick seams to bemoan the fact that anyone can make, share, gain notoriety and continue their personal creative output WITHOUT the big companies, the expensive gear, the private jets. I'm sorry but those days are OVER it seems, and I am not sad.
@@Terrible_Peril Rick is wrong and so is the video uploader. I'm sure Gen Z does appreciate music, the issue is that Gen Z is a victim of its own culture's musical bias. when the TV dishes you contemporary Pop and Hip Hop music, in some areas Country. Thats what social media is gonna dish out to you for reccomendations. There is no musical discovery. A lot of kids these days don't binge the local FM radio for rock. And if they did most of the time it wouldn't do them any good. My local rock station has been spinning the same set of songs and bands for the past 40 years.
Also, theres no big time label focusing on pushing rock. The biggest labels even close to that is focusing on Heavy Metal. And Van Halen is sonically different from something like say Opeth or even say something like Sadus.
I'm sure there is outliers, to all this. I'm sure there is some Gen Zer named Dexter thats discovered his dad's Black Sabbath and Led Zepplin vinyl collections and digs it. But it's the exception to the norm. If Gen Z wants things to change and bring rock back, pick up where the 80's bands were cut off and continue from there. They are gonna have to get their hands dirty, and start making music scenes in their cities and town like rock had in LA and San Diego back in the 80's. And push back against the label's modern pop barrage they are subjected to. Thats it. It changes when Gen Z does something about it.
@@tw19771 I'm sorry but as a Gen Z'er what you said is the complete and total opposite of the truth, most people my age that I know, even people outside my social circle, all listen to many different styles of music from across many decades. Classic rock, country, folk, indie pop, ambient electronic, you name it, my generation listens to it all, even the kids who mostly just stick to mainstream rap and pop will occasionally venture outside those confines.
And ironically enough, it is largely social media platforms like Tiktok that have lead to this; I can name countless songs spanning across all kinds of different genres and decades that have become massively popular amongst people my age due to Tiktok. In complete contrast to what you claim, I would say--based on my personal experience--that Gen Z on average has far more diverse taste in music compared to any preceding generation.
@@blib3786 Do you? Because the last time I heard anybody listening to something like say Judas Priest besides myself was some old man I ran into on the street in Cali, who was blasting their Defenders Of The Faith record. I suppose you would have too, considering you would have had no choice not to as you walked by.
I never said some Gen Zers don't have a wide taste and music, you lot seem to. As long as its not rock n' roll. And "country, folk, indie pop, ambient electronic, you name it" is not rock n' roll. You did mention classic rock, ...Okay but I don't hear you guys rocking out to something like Deep Purple. Although like I said in my first post, I'm sure theres a few of you who do.
The closest thing to Rock n Roll ya'll seem to get and the heaviest you lot seem to get into. Is Lizzo
Tiesto is not Rock, Daft Punk is not rock n' roll and so on.
And heres the thing, we'd have actually new and popular mainstream rock acts rocking arenas. If the major labels thought there is a market to push that, but they don't. You know why they don't? They don't see the market for it. Ya'll aren't saying "Hey we wanna hear this." to them. Your generation aren't picking up guitars and sitting behind drumkits and writing rock songs. You guys aren't going out gigging, you aren't making Rock N' Roll music scenes.
UMG and Spotify doesn't care that you listen to Bob Marley followed up by Rhianna. Or whatever trendy 80's pop song thats "cool" to listen to these days like Blue Monday, they are gonna give you Bob Marley and Rhianna. It's not rock, and they will give you what they know you want.
This isn't even about your music taste, because nobody should really care whats on your Spotify's release radar. It's about your culture and your generation, and what music ya'll listen to the majority of. And saying you listen to everything just doesn't cut it.
Practice what you preach, if you wanna hear Rock n' Roll, start some rock bands and start some music scenes. You even have a group already flying that torch its called Greta Van Fleet, those cats got the memo, too bad the rest of you guys didn't.
Very well done, thank you. As a boomer I am aware how my musical preferences have changed over the decades … and how I am very biased towards the what I listened to in the 50’s, 60’s & early 70’s as “the best ever”. While I have appreciated many of Beato’s interviews … I can’t stand his ‘expert’ rants that you are referring to. You are absolutely correct. And I admit that as a boomer I have no interest in exploring what younger generations are playing. It’s like … I have been there, done that … and just want to hear JJ Cale or The Allman Brothers or Joni Mitchell or Pat Metheny or some jazz or Hawaiian (not Jawaiian tho). It has to do with how one’s life slowly changes over the decades that one usually never notices … or just does not want to admit it. So think this is where Beato is … because aging is a bitch and one likes to stay relevant … when in reality … it’s ALWAYS the younger generation’s time to explore & shine, like it or not.
When quality goes down , less people will see value in music . Todays music standard to be clear.
The same thing that irks me about Rick and his followers and most people of my generation saying all new music is awful and mourning rock’s demise because they’ve never bothered exploring the underground when its never been easier. Rock is alive and well, and more experimental than ever because these young acts don’t need to pander to mainstream tastes. Who needs another Nirvana when you have a band like Black Midi who make music that sounds like it’s from another planet.
Im a music guru and ill be the first to say........ black who? Goddamn i need to make music.
Rick loves lots of contemporary stuff. Watch his videos interviewing animals as leaders and periphery, i think he just separates groups like them and polyphia and intervals, etc. from what he means when he says modern music or mainstream music because as much as he rags on the shitty stuff he still praises contemporary music more than he rails against it
Facts bro
Jesus I just listened to black midi. Is this the best you got?
He does not say all new music awful (very bad). He promotes all sorts of new music by new performers.
For me, born in 1965, music of the late seventies and 80's/90's was the last era in which music was a much bigger part of people's lives. I believe, and this is JMO... that it's due almost exclusively from the influence of the internet. All of a sudden, the song on the radio that made you lose yourself for a little while was no longer as much of a release it once was. Now there's more ways than anyone could imagine to connect people and release tension. Back in the day it was music that connected people. likeminded music lovers would meet at concerts and bar dances more then than is needed nowadays to meet people.
Boomer vs Zoomers
No, that literally still happens. You grew out of it.
Literally met my best friends at a show grandma lol. People still do things dude.
@@chain12bb You might have a point there, however the Billboard does not indicate that.
@@tombjornebark so because you personally dont like the music, you think thats the case for everyone? And that people can’t Connect through it?
Can someone please tell me who or what is over to Rick Beato's left? There isn't a video where he isn't looking over there.
Probably notes...
Rick is a Legend,The amount i have learnt from this guy is amazing!I can't big him up enough!👊
Como persona de la generación de Beato pienso que hoy se escucha más música que nunca, se tiene acceso a más variedad que nunca (no depende de que una discográfica lo publique para poder escucharlo, bendita sea internet) y el aprendizaje y educación musical es más accesible que nunca. No sé si esto e una ventaja o un inconveniente, pero envidio a los jóvenes de hoy. Ojalá hubiera todo esto en cuando era niño y adolescente.
As a person of Beato's generation, I think that today we listen to more music than ever, we have access to more variety than ever (it does not depend on a record company publishing it to be able to listen to it, blessed be the internet) and musical learning and education is more accessible than ever. I don't know if this is an advantage or a disadvantage, but I envy today's young people. I wish I had all this when I was a kid and teenager.
They said the same shit about his generation and Television, the previous 2 generations radio, and before that, the proliferation of newspapers.
Beato is spot on. TV / streaming has been a distraction too. Popular music has been lame for 20 years. I'm at the tail end of my 30s and could never understand why people in the band were talking about Game of Thrones and other rubbish when they didn't know their parts.
Popular music has been horrible, utterly wretched, for 30 years at least.
@@vickielawson3114meh, you can hate on grunge all you want but comparing it to what we have now it seems like a way better alternative
Popular music has always been just average, people who are into music look outside the mainstream, always (like the white guys who listened to jazz/blues and then put together a rock band, a la zeppelin, stones, etc.)
@@vickielawson3114There was tons of really great music in the 90s. Denying that is ridiculous.
@@pedrova8058you're wrong and I'll prove it to you very easily. Zeppelin and The Stones were popular music.
Sorry for my ignorance but whats the name of the band at 13:40
I too wonder this
I have a GenZ daughter, who literally has vinyl LPs of her favourite video game music😂 that said, I love Rick’s videos. He is an excellent music teacher as well. Another reason why it’s so hard for Aziz to get into modern music, and particularly rock musi(because let’s face it a lot of the modern computer generated music isn’t really suitable for life consumption )is that it is so expensive to go see live music. When I was a kid in the 90s, you could spend $25 and go see Metallica. Those same tickets today would be over $500. Most GenZ’s are not in a position financially to be blowing $500 plus on one ticket to go see a band.
True!!!
I'm gen z (21yo) and there was a time where I wanted to go see artists from the past century live bcs you never know when they're going to retire and I wanted to at least experience it.
After looking at the ticket prices my dream was officially shattered.
I only got to see Iron maiden and kiss. Everything else too expensive.
I don't even go to concerts of artists of my generation (also bcs most of them are small and only perform live in their countries).
MY POINT EXACTLYYYYY
Mate Metallica we’re playing in that generation! Now if you go to artists from this generation it’s still quite cheap. Unless it’s pop trash which is overpriced af
Can you make a comment without needlessly putting music down old man?
This is def. true, however once I reached my teen years I had no interest in most of the big acts. One thing this guy gets right is that there is still good music out there. He mentions a shit ton of bands that most people have never heard of. I listen to a lot of bands that are a decade old that most people have never heard of. Here's the thing. I turned my kids on to current bands when they were teenagers. Not the other way around. That's weird. It's not supposed to be that way. anyway I'm off track here. Lots of great non mainstream bands that are playing live for a fraction of a taylor swift concert.
As a 20 you old kid who loves music, I have to say that Rick is half right. Some of his takes on video games are very accurate, the addictive nature of these games causes us to lose touch with reality to a certain extent. Nobody is innocent of this, even me. I personally gave up video games because I felt that I was missing out on life. Moderation in anything is the key. Furthermore I think part of his argument is that while spotify and other apps give us the ability to listen to anything, it doesnt hold quite the same value compared to previous generations, who had to buy there records and were much more limited. While this view is most certainly subjective I understand where hes coming from. While he does seem to have little hope for the new generations, I do think it's important that we don't abandon them. That feeling of abandonment by our elders is what drives the divide. We always need to be accepting and understanding of the times. As bob dylan put it, "The Times they are a changin". I think we forget that.
tfw you thik your own personal failings are reflective of everyone and not just yourself
As a 20 year old, you should not be wasting your time watching Rick beato.
well, the same way in which you say "hey, this happened to me, so it must be true!" I and a lot of people say "this has never happened to me, so it isn't true". It's not about videogames, that's the problem with Rick's hypothesis. It's about the capacity of attention of each person. I can't understand how someone can not have the ability to concentrate on multiple things at once and for some unexplicable reason believe there's a problem with those things they can't concentrate at, instead of y'know....thinking they are the ones with the attention problem?
Tldr: If you lose touch with reality "because of videogames" it's not a videogames thing, it's a you thing.
@alexfons3667 I like how you took an entire paragraph to basically say that the problem is a personal problem. Like no shit... it's a personal problem that is widespread in society. They've literally run tests and determined this to be the case, that media is shifting attention spans. I've noticed that people with a problem will do anything to rationalize it. Gatekeepers is an interesting job, the people that always get mad are usually the ones the gate was meant to keep out. Strange...
Exactly! This smug bastard is being incredibly disingenuous with his takes.
I dunno... I am a music teacher and I ask kids "What do you listen to?" and it's always "I don't really listen to music." And they're all interested in video games, but not rock bands. And they don't know the names of bands or albums or songs. And yes, the internet obviously gives you access to the sum total of human knowledge... and guess what? People are dumber than ever, with no memory.
Perhaps you should ask Rick to get together with you and talk about it one on one instead of behind the distance of a video
That is so odd... some of my favourite composers are videogame composers.
I think it would be pretty easy to suggest he is incorrect purely by looking up the views and likes on a few video game OST's.
When it comes to work like those of Akira Yamaoka or anyone who worked on the Castlevania games; really interesting covers by people really loved the music in the games.
Keyword: a few.
Nobuo Uematsu is my favorite, even if the series has gone downhill, the music is still great.
Let's not forget Koji Kondo (Legend of Zelda... Super Mario Bros. .). GOAT
Wait till Rick gets to 2006 and hears about Guitar Hero.
or God forbid, he gets to 10 years later and finds out about Nier Automata.
Guitar Hero. Great game, but ultimately that is all it is, a fun musical game. However, it is not the same as actually knowing how to play and create music just as painting by numbers is not the same as knowing how to draw or paint.
@@mikerivera9173 Then I present you... Rocksmith!
@@mikerivera9173games about music inspire musicians. I'm not sure if you knew, but the demand for guitars and other musical instruments is still growing. Instruments that aren't suspiciously really well represented in 40 hits because the top 40 isn't what people at large actually truly like, it's what people listen to more than 30 seconds of when it's served up to them by an algorithm.
I'm Rick's age. I think it's absolutely possible that people of a previous generations just have different perceptions. Given the completely different conditioning and experiences. It's inevitable. Likewise, there may be parts of younger generations that never developed spaces to experience certain kinds of things the way the previous generations did. Both sides have a very difficult understanding the other.
Rick is right about a lot of things, especially about the history of music including contemporary music. You might not like what he says, but his perspective is something you can learn a lot from if you turn down your "negativity" a bit.
Yep, this video maker is clueless.
Condescending laughter is the best way to get your point across
I think what he was trying to say, is that in the face of the addictivness of video games and Internet younger generations (or even older ones, I am from the 80) don't feel as attracted to listening to music the way he did. And I so agree with that as it mirrors my experience when I compare my youth with my 8y younger brother, or my pupils, or even my way of consuming music now.
Yeah, I’m 27 and even when I was in high school, which was the kick off point of streaming, people consumed music differently. It was always something to have on while doing a task (homework, driving somewhere, playing video games). Not something you sit around and give your entire mental capacity to. So I will agree on that, but to say young people don’t care about music or aren’t interested in music is absolutely absurd. Just look at the amount of bedroom producers there are, look at how many young people started playing instruments during quarantine. Almost everyone my age knows someone who “does” music. I’d say interest in music amongst young people is near an all time high. Just because they got there through a different means doesn’t mean it’s less than.
I think you did bring up one really good point. I'm in my late 40s now and I really only know the older way of finding new music. I don't have a clue how to find all those bands you mentioned other than searching them directly because I heard you mention them in this video. New bands are simply "off my radar" unless I get a direct reference.
Rick Beato is right, Cheers Rick!!!
My passion for video game music is what led me to become a composer myself. I have a deep appreciation for music in all its forms, from 30's swing and electronic genres like dance, trance, and house, to rock, orchestral compositions, 8-bit and 16-bit tunes, salsa, and samba. And you know what's amazing? You can find elements of all these styles within video game music. From epic themes like those in Zelda, to whimsical melodies like in Mario, or even the rock-infused soundtracks of Mega Man-X, the salsa beats of Tropico, the techno rhythms of Extreme-G, and the metal vibes of F-Zero X. You can even discover the nostalgic sounds of 30s swing and gypsy guitar in games like Mafia (PC Game from 2002). The list could go on endlessly.
Actually, my older son got me into video game music. While I can't operate those controllers with 375 buttons to save my life (I'm fine with a joystick and a fire button!), my son is quite adept at both video games, *and* with the great music of today's composers -- which is *wonderful* stuff! Halo 2 was my introduction into some of the greatest music being composed right now -- for video games! Who knew!
(Full disclosure: I'm in my early 60s as of this writing.)
Deus Ex is an exceptional example of many different styles being tastefully incorporated into a set of now-iconic musical motifs that creep their way into our memory of each setting and major event in the game.
I got into video games before I ever got into music, and their soundtracks certainly made a huge impression on me. The Mario Bros. theme song is forever etched in my mind, as is Zelda’s over world theme.
I also remember being a huge fan of Streets of Rage 2’s early 90’s inspired soundtrack by Yuzo Koshiro. As a matter of fact, I remember a friend of mine and I actually pretending to play the SOR super mix song in my bedroom by listening to the song via sound options on my genesis.
And the amount of great RPG soundtracks that I adore like Pokémon’s and Final Fantasy VII’s- they just made a huge impact on me.
You lost me at trance. 😮
@@snickpicklehell yeah dude halo has some of the best music in gaming. It’s better than most stuff you hear in movies. Also a lot of it was made using vintage synths!
"Gen Z doesn't care about music"
then why is music still being made rick ?!?!?!?!
this gave me major "sell their houses to who, ben? fucking aquaman?!?" vibes
Check your premises. Very little music is being made. Because your limited and crippled intellect is stimulated by a combination of sounds does not make those sounds music.
@@sandsmarc "modern music isn't real music- it's just sounds!!" Says the guy who probably only knows any modern music from what comes on the radio
Are you simple, by any chance?
He means Gen-Z aren't as passionate about music as much as other generations. Everyone likes music and always will. Everyone will always listen to it. It's pretty embarrassing that you thought he actually meant Gen-Z don't enjoy music at all. Use your head.
@@Jacox98 "modern music isn't real music- it's just sounds!!" not true, given that he worked in the indie scene for years and has praised social media guitarists and musicians. And again, he's discussing pop music and the generation on a broad scope. He's not talking about Billy Joe Bob and the Bad Twats with 200 followers on SoundCloud.
11:00 Rick didn't "criticize" Polyphia or say instrumentals were "inferior", or throw "shade"on Tim Henson. He is saying there are no famous riffs and hooks now. Or (most) kids spending hours on their floors with their friends ONLY listening to music and reading lyrics and liner notes like addicts. Rick has young/teen kids, he knows what's out there.
And you actually 12:30 AGREED with him about the rock "stars" of the past. Then you mention tons of underground bands that MOST kids do NOT know -- PROVING RICK'S POINT.
Rick is right the barrier to entry is very low. Its not just music but movies and culture in general. In today's world it seems as if everything is just a remake with an agenda. It seems like the 90's were the last generation and even the youth are trying to relive it as some sort of nostalgia that they didn't experience