Given that you've emphasized the topping dx9, I think it's high time that you compare your wall hack certified tier list to motherboard audio ( if applicable). I know that would mean more time spent on testing, but it's something that, I believe, would be helpful for your viewers. Great video as always.
The problem with that is everyone’s board is different. So even if I had a bad experience it doesn’t necessarily mean someone else would with potentially a better chip
@@FreshReviewsYT Makes sense actually, how about maybe for reference point atleast? or maybe try comparing those to your recommended budget dacs? because here lies the problem, not everyone has the luxury to splurge 1300 usd on the topping dx9. 200? 400? no problem, but 1300? that's a lot of commitment for audio equipment. What if there was someone like me who was just sick of how bad gaming headsets were and just decided to look for something else (how i found this channel) but doesn't have anything over 200 or even 100 to spend on new gear (also me) and that's how I ended up with the Truthear Crinacle Zero paired with a 10 usd dongle and that was such a game changer for me. Will always be grateful to have found this channel and I don't want new comers to think that they need to spend 1300 to get a similar experience that you had on your reviews and testing.
@@BlueScreen64 Better late than never. The DX9 (I have) and the Magni (I had) are in different leagues. There is a $1000 difference. The Magni was my introduction to High-End Desktop hi-fi, and it is fantastic for the money. It is also powerful enough to drive them. But the DX9 is a different beast.
@@FreshReviewsYT My current headphone and favorite that i have tried thus far is the harmonicdyne zeus elite, how do you think these compare for music listening? Also my audio source is fiio q15. also have you had chance to try simgot ea500lm?
Hello Fresh! Got DT 900 PRO X after your review and pair it with iFi Zen Dac v2. Then got DT 1990 PRO and added ZEN CAN to the stack with Zen Dac v2. Now I got HD 490 Pro and put my DT 1990 PRO aside. HD 490 Pro wow, just wow. Thanks for your handy reviews Man!
@Sammy0h For sure. They so well sounded and lightweight. I used DT 1990 Pro for about a year playing Tarkov mainly. I got my pair HD 490 recently and can hear everything in Tarkov so much better. My teammates called me a cheater once I used DT 1990 because I was able to hear the enemy much better than they do. Now, they can not believe I'm not cheating - because I hear everything way waaay better than with DT 1990. The first day when I got HD 490 and started to play Tarkov with them, I had a feeling like I played with earplugs wearing DT 1990. HD 490 is phenomenal and extremely comfortable to wear if I compare them vs DT 1990 PRO or DT 900 PRO X. It is also very good for music. I'm using them with cloth earpads straight out of the box. P.S: I wish Sennheiser paid me for this review 😂. It is amazing headphones for gaming and music. Definitely my main headphones now, and I'm currently selling all the rest of the headphones I have.
@@5YRID Hey. I don't use IEM's and can compare only vs DT 1990 PRO, DT 900 PRO X, Philips X2HR, SHP9500 and ATH-M50X. HD 490 PRO beat them all in terms of sound in competitive FPS and comfort. For Tarkov HD 490 PRO feels like legal cheating. I hear well better than on DT 1990 PRO which was my last main pair of headphones. I use them on stack iFi Zen DAC v2 + iFi Zen CAN. iFi Zen DAC v2/v3 only is more than enough for HD 490 PRO.
Hello ! Thanks to your video I decided to buy the HD 490 pro. I use it with the ifi zen dac v2 + ifi zen can combo for music, movies and gaming and the result is incredible! I can't imagine what it would be like with DX9..
FINALLY a gaming review of these. Been waiting for this review! Running these through the K11. Do they have the same slight separation deterioration as the K9 Pro on the K11 or worse?
I hope this helps some of you with your decision making. I play COD 99% of the time and am a 3KD player for reference. I decided to pull the trigger on these, I have DT 900 pro's and Kiwi Ears Orchestra Lights as comparison. I Run Art is war audio tune. After watching Biffle, Shifty etc with their audio I could never understand how they could pinpoint, locate and hear players so well. Even though I had "A Tier" headphones. This has totally changed with the 490 pros. I have never heard positional accuracy like it. I can hear people swinging corners. I can slide cancel corners, break cameras and Prefire so much better. I can turn on kids when I hear them behind me. They don't sound "better" than the others, but the positional audio is on a different level. Yes they are expensive, but am so thankful I pulled the trigger. Would not hesitate.
The repeated emphasis on the sound quality difference depending on sources is appreciated. It's also true of IEMs, yet so many in the community proudly disregard it in favor of pushing something like the Apple dongle.
you’re the goat. trusted your reviews in the past and haven’t been let down. was on the fence about picking them up vs 2 other headphones but your review locked in my decision.
@@brutyfruity using a $200 Schiit Magni Unity dac on medium output and this combo goes crazy. Defiantly make sure you're in a good environment for an open back though. I play mostly FPS games and I never feel like I'm missing audio queues or footsteps.
other positives. really comfy, ears don't sweat, there is a notch in the headband for you to hang on a BenQ monitor headset holder, the cable can be plugged into either side.
Other games with very good sound are: TLOU 1 remake and TLOU 2 Forza Horizon 5 The Resident Evil franchise after the 2 Remake CSGO Hellblade 1 and 2 Zelda Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom
I am very interested myself in the MDR-MV1. I haven't seen anyone talk about them in terms of gaming, but Sony has always produced a nice sound for me.
I've purchased the Kiwi orchestra lite based from your recommendations. I'll be picking this up as my next headset for gaming. I almost purchased the dt1990 pro. Glad i saw this. Thanks Fresh!
You won't regret it. I ordered both this and the Audeze Maxwell. Maxwell arrived earlier, but since the 490 Pro was in it only took me hours to decide that is one I want to keep. I ordered the Tea Pro as well, to cover the bass & thick fun side of my listening.
Techne!! I thought of you for this one. The ambient noise in palworld on this can is insane. I can listen to the waterfalls and wind blowing for hours 🤣
Awesome hear you talk about soundstage depth and layering in gaming, terms that only audiophiles use, but that are very important for gaming. Also, waiting your reviews of the HE1000se, i hear those have the better layering ever
@@MertLDN I have not sat down and done an in depth a/b test but from swapping things around one morning I want to say the soundstage is bigger on the Dx9 but I'm not completely sure. It was quick but it was something that stood out to me. The Dx9, like the element 3 has the ability to switch to UAC1 mode but unfortunately the PS5 doesn't recognize it being connected. This leaves me to believe there needs to be a firmware update to get it to work. Topping support said they were planning on testing it out on a ps5 so take that for what it's worth. The element 3 works great so from a gaming perspective I don't have the ability to find out if the Dx9 offers something more.
Just got mine and I'm running it with an ifi zen dac v2 and they sound amazing! Definitely do what you say, imaging is amazing. I finally can say I have found a headset that allows me to hear things I've never been able to hear, that's even with my Kiwi ears orchestra lites. I can hear people coming up behind mid fight in Apex, which I even struggled with my Orchestra lites. Awesome headphones! I personally don't think there anything special for music tbh and that might just be my opinion but nothing stands out to me. Very clear and clean sounding, not a lot of bass, for music. But I haven't used the velour cups so maybe the bass would be better for music.
Yes precisely! The velour will be more flavorful for music. So glad you love them! I’m having a hard time putting them down myself. They are fantastic for gaming
@@FreshReviewsYT Was kind of blown away when I killed an octane and then immediately heard his teammate coming up behind in a fight. Then I heard someone going up a Zipline about 30-40 meters away and could hear it and pinpoint it right away.
Hey so you use just the dac, no amp? I’m kind of a noob in this topic but did you eq your headphones or do you just plug them in the dac and use at is? And do you use the balanced or unbalanced port?
Hi, Fresh! Hope you're doing well. Geat review of HD 490 Pro. I'm really inclined to get a pair of them in the near future. In fact, debating between them and Hifiman Edition XS, now. Haha! I have a suggestion: I really think that it'd be great if you could review Aune S9C Pro and compare it to the Fiio K9s and the favorite DX9. In fact, your review of HD 490 Pro is what made me less certain about getting the Fiio K9 AKM due to its subpar performance driving the HD 490 Pro even when compared to the K9 Pro. I've read and watched great audiophile reviews on the S9C Pro and it sounds like it could be a great dac/amp for gaming too, but no one has reviewed it from an exclusively gaming perspective. Obviously, your audiophile review of it would be an added benefit, too. It would be also great if, in the comparisons, you test the S9C Pro with the Wallhack-tier headphones. But, I already know that you've got that part covered if you happen to review it. Keep up the good work, brother.
bro now that you made many of us buy the hd 490 pro, it's time for you to show us a dac/amp in around 300-400 (even 500 if not possible for less)range that comes close to dx9 detail soundstage separation clarity 🙂
absolutely loving this series, been a massive help already. Just wondering though if a comparison video between all the current "wall hack" headphones is in the works for the near future? awesome content, keep it up
@@RenbroNL I actually own them and call them my "endgame" - I can spend all day with them on my head and never get fatigued due to the light weight build and the comfortable wing mount headband (it's not for everyone's head though, so it's a hit or miss). If not for the cable I sometimes forget that I'm wearing them. BUT, I've seen weird claims that say completely opposite things about them, and I would love to see someone with competitive skills test them out and put their opinion on the table.
@@D3humaniz3d Own these and the HarmonicDyne Zeus Elite, and I juggle them. The R70x is bonkers for detail ajd soundstage, and the Zeus Elite may not be as wide but it's very detailed and it's a lil more fun in it's tone.
Thanks for this video! This was basically what I've been thinking as a replacement for my hd560s with a topping DX3...But I'm also kinda looking for something with a little more bass for music listening so I was also looking at the 660s2 lol.
I picked these up, they are so good. Been gaming and listening to music with them and they are great. I have the 560s, tygr 300r, Hifiman edition xs, pc38x, Sennheiser hd 58x, and some random akg's and a couple of others (not including the ones I gave away over the last couple years). I haven't even tried the cloth pads on these yet, I've been enjoying the velour pads. These are smoother than the 560's and I find it easier to track sounds. The 560s is a bit harsh for my taste but the biggest issue is I don't find them comfortable even after 2 years of use. So the 490's will be my daily drivers, the edition xs will go to my bedroom for music or maybe on my tv... haven't decided yet. The others will probably get donated to friends who need them but can't afford something decent.
@@PlaystationTechDad Depends, my biggest issue was the comfort of the 560s wasn't great for me. I don't think it'll improve your games if that is your primary concern, other than being more comfortable. The mids are better to me, but they may sound a bit different to you. If the 560s was more comfortable for me I wouldn't have bothered. If I had to pick one thing to say about the sound compared to the 560s, it's smoother (again to me). I use the felt pads, the cloth are supposed to be more like the 560s.
loved the video you should do a video on sound settings in your games so we can have a deeper insight on what ur hearing ie. if you have htrf enabled on valorant etc
got these headphones but onfortunately one speaker wasnt working or very low volume. i didnt manage to get full sound by wiggling the cable and from what i heard of them they were awesome for gaming. i sent them back and just have an email to say my replacements are on the way i cant wait. sounded great with a fiio k5 pro ess.
Hey Fresh ! Cheers from Switzerland, Do you mind sometimes try your "audio setup" on a game like EFT ? for me it's where i see changes between one and another. Continue your work it's amazing and fresh to get a gaming point of view !
In case anyone wants a definitive answer on the difference between the Plus and NON Plus models, the official website list that the PLUS comes with an extra longer cable (3m), extra headband pad, and the storage case. Both models come with the two ear pads. IMO save your money and get the regular version, unless you really want that fancy storage case.
@@artemuswithauCompletetly different headphones, I got both, HD650 will be good for Valorant, CSGO, but will lack the soundstage and separation for open world shooters. The 900 Pro X are much better headphones for competitive games, but they are quite bland (still better than 560s) and can be sibilant for some. Overall I would recommend trying out 900 Pro X or HD 490 Pro Plus
I tested DT 1990 PRO versus this today. After doing a whole lot of research this and the HD 490 Pro seemed to be the best ones for gaming and music. I also tested Sennheiser's HD 560S, Hifiman Edition XS (balanced), Beyerdynamic's TYGR R 300, DT 880 and DT 990 Editions [250 ohm]. Of all the HD 490 Pro (balanced) was the best in all regards except for build quality. Here the Beyerdynamic did the race, especially with the DT 1990 Pro, whereas the Hifiman was the worst in quality/comfort. I used Zen DAC v3 and also Peace EQ.
@@FreshReviewsYTWell it took about 2 weeks of buying and returning and about 35 hours of doing intense research online to narrow the field of possible headphones down as much as possible 😅
Wow it's great to hear a Sennheiser can outside of the HD 800 series That doesn't have the dreaded three blob imaging. We'll have to give these a shot. My current rabbit hole/search is finding a closed-back over ear that I like almost as much as my HD 800s. I moved to a busy City and have to deal with a higher noise floor. The LCD XC came extremely close but they are way too heavy for long sessions. Just got in a pair of DCA aeon noires that I'm hoping to test more this week. Would love to hear your thoughts if you have any experience with a closed set you enjoy.
I've personally tried lots of different closed backs and can't say why anyone would bother when IEMs can provide a similar soundstage with superior detail retrieval and imaging for a lower price.
@@VexxedSR comfort and convenience mostly. I have rolled through a ton of IEMs and haven't found a single pair that don't hurt after a while. I especially find them awkward while eating and don't find them as easy to throw on and off throughout the day when I get up and down from my desk. I'm sure custom molded IEMs would solve a lot of my gripes, but that is more of a purchase commitment as the cost of the molds hold 0 resale value. That and the need to clean them regularly is something I deal with. Lots of personal reasons why I prefer over ear cans, but if you have a favorite IEM for detail retrieval and imaging (I care more about imaging than stage size) I'd love to give them a try!
@@FTGTapGod My favourite would be the QDC Anole VX, great comfort, out of this world detail retrieval and imaging but costs an arm and a leg. Cheaper options I would just go and try the Shuoer S12, Hexa or the Olina SE and pick the one that sounds best to you. Kiwiears Melody is also a good choice if you want something with more bass.
@@VexxedSR well I'll check them out. So far I've tried Starfield, Blessing 2, the Samsung/akg earbuds, and some midrange Sennheiser IEs. Nothing has sold me on IEMs even though I quite liked the Starfield for gaming. Maybe I just need to try higher end options around $500-1000.
I’ve had the HarmonicDyne Zeus Elite since August and I love how they sound but the build quality is seriously bad. My first pair had an unbearably loud creaking sound coming from the left ear cup every time I would slightly move my head or open my mouth to talk or when I would chew on my food. I returned them back to Linsoul for a replacement and they sent me a new pair. I’ve been using my second pair for a few months now and it had no issues up until a week ago where there is now again the same creaking sound coming from the left earcup everytime I slightly move my head, talk, or chew on food etc. I have seen a couple people online who have also experienced the same creaking sound as well. Also, the headband could do with a tiny bit more padding as well personally as I feel like the top of my head gets a bit fatigued after wearing the Zeus Elites for a few hours. HarmonicDyne seriously need to improve their build quality. After watching this video I l think I might just get the HD 490 Pros and not worry about build quality as these seem really well built.
Please Review the Hifiman Edition XS they have been fantastic for me and I believe if you review them you might have a new #2 (probably won’t dethrone HD800s)
@@FreshReviewsYT you briefly talked about comfort. In comparison to other senn cans, how are the HD 490 pros? They seem like you could wear them for longer hours than the typical fixed hinge sennheisers.
@@StevoJacobs dude. Way longer. I wish I stressed this more. So I game with glasses and take my contacts off when I get home. These are probably the most comfortable headphone i have right now. Better than the 560, 900, he1000se etc. I can wear them forever. Super light weight and really enjoyable. The velour cups do get a little hotter than the cloth
@@FreshReviewsYTI figured so regarding the pads. Very interesting about wearing them for a long time. You know there’s a company that makes a mini xlr mic worth looking at !
Between the HD 490 and the HD 600, which one would you choose? I'm looking between the Beyerdyamic DT990 pro and the HD 600, I didn't know about these HD 490, that's why the doubt, although I don't know if you've tried the HD 600 or if you plan to try them.
I might need to get a better source. I learned that the ps5 through mini dac doesn’t really affect audio quality since the smsl c200 can connect directly with ps5 via uac 1.1. This means I can buy the higher end stuff like your dx9 or the geshelli gear.
Hey Fresh, I got the DT 900 Pro X's off your recommendation and enjoyed them and looking to upgrade to the HD 490's. I use a Focusrite Scarlett Solo interface (mainly for guitar) is it worth changing over to a recommended amp/dac like the ifi Zen Dac V3 (or 2?) to use with them? Any other budget / mid range options you'd pick over that? Thanks!
@@FreshReviewsYT Amazon. Are scum bags. I purchased a new hd490 pro and they send me a used one. It is a good headphone but it is not worth $400. At least I have a great reason to return it lol
I know you are a hardcore HD560S guy but HD400 Pro is the new version of HD560S after Senn sold of their privat customer sound division, but people are saying there is a small difference, have you tried the new HD400 Pro yet? And that you still haven’t tried AKG K702 is close to criminal, they are insane for gaming, the resolution, soundstage and imagine is out of this world.
@@celzolsen8988 so fucking trash. The mf above doesnt know tf he talking about at all. Hd490 is king for gaming. Consider iem tea pro from xenns is another great choice
Ah man, so many options to choose from in the audio space. currently I only have the em6l but I've been thinking about getting some headphones for those days I don't feel like wearing an IEM. curious if the dx3 pro+ will sound better than my motu m2 interface I have my xlr mic going into -- that interface is praised for having a good dac. I could either get these, or the dx3pro + AND either the 900 pro x or 560s. So many choices xD
Currently trying to decide between these, edition XS and ananda nano. Heard great things about ananda nano but I'm afraid the treble peaks would be painful
Fresh, I value your input so much, My current main for my headphones are my Dt900 pro x. I also am running a IFI ZenDac V2 with the Zen Can amp stack. I absolutely love this combo and its amazing for the games that I play. Mostly games like Apex and Tarkov exc. But based on your List I wanted to dip my toes into the IEM world and I figured that my best bet was to start small and see if I liked them so I bought your best budget ones the (EM6L) and so far I like them a lot and its a great IEM. But it truly does not compare to the DT900 prox. So this is my question at what price point and what IEM would I need to get to have the same or better sound then the 900pro x headphones. I am willing to spend the money with in reason. But I don't want to be disappointed
I still use them off and on and I like them. I am using the stock tips on them. They are great and work well at my office and I sometimes still play with them at the house setup. however they really don't compare to the 900prox when it comes to stage and Imaging. I know if I go up the list a little I know I can get what I am looking for. It sounds like the Xenns top is what I want. I want an IEM that I don't feel like I am missing anything when I want to take my headphones off. @@zerotactix5739
@@zerotactix5739 I still run them on occasion and they are great I just have the stock tips but they seal great I have owned them for about 3 months. They just don't compare to the Dt900 pro X with imaging and soundstage its a pretty big difference. I will say they do sound much better on my DAC vs just plugged into the PC. However I want a IEM that I don't feel like I am missing something when I run them and It sounds like the XENNS Top is what I should get.
I got these today, and I think for me they’re best on the schiit stack compared to my dx3 pro+ and smsl c200. I can see why people say they sound similar to 560s, with the cloth pads, the velour pads make them sound a bit more bassier, and not as annoying highs, the mids are somewhat still 560ish sounding but not as annoying but the cloth pads make them sound very close to 560s. They’re a bit better than 900 pro x, but doesn’t necessarily “knock 900 pro x out in the first round” type of good. Will continue testing with more games. They’re definitely source dependent, so the better the source the better the depth. But I don’t think these are end game for personally, I’m looking towards the he1000se next. I believe those will provide that mesmerizing smoothness, and extreme above average soundstage and imaging im still looking for.
@@FreshReviewsYT like the fiio k19? I had I’m mind to get that amp, or the dx9, and get the he1000se and pair either amp with a cayin ha-3a for more warmth, depth and character.
@@FreshReviewsYT one thing I forget to add, is I usually test these on ps5 with 3d audio turned on. I notice that with 3d audio turned off, it makes audio sound great through pretty much all of my headphones. Even the r70x that I dislike the most. It’s just that certain games, sound bad in stereo on ps5. For example with apex, the depth perception becomes very very pinpoint with all of my headphones but for some reason things sound flat center, far right, or far left without 3d audio on ps5 almost like the sundaras, on PC I don’t think this happens. 3d audio kinda makes sound sound “different”, like the tonal balance. I hate that I blew out my zeus elites from producing music I guess too loud with the 808s, it blew out my left side. Those were just above the 900 pro x. How come you sold your he1kse? And kept the 800s? Are they your fallbacks?
@@FreshReviewsYTnow that I’m trying them with the cloth pads, I can say that it sounds really large. Like when i close my eyes it feels like the space is separate from what im seeing on the screen lol. I’m guessing this is what the hd 800 might feel like
Great review as always! So they work great on your $1,300 amp, not so great on a $650-$800 amp, would it even be worth it to consider these for something in the budget range? I'm running the EM6L's on a Schiit Magni Unity right now and for my peasant/uncultured ears they sound great. Do you think the quality would suffer too much if I tried to run these on the Magni?
It might be worth a try. Have to always keep in mind that even though I tested them on expensive amps, it doesn’t exclude the possibility of them shining on less expensive things. This is just all I had on hand to test it on. In fact in general, I’ve had better experiences on cheaper things in terms of depth and separation compared to the k9. Such as the smsl do400 and topping dx3 pro+
@@FreshReviewsYTwhich budget amps would you recommend to pair with these headphones. Dumb question but can I listen to music and hear gameplay while talking to friends on these headphones? Like a “gamer” headset basically
I'm looking to upgrade my Sennheiser Game One headset for gaming. Don't need a mic so was looking at the 560s until I saw these HD490 pros. However, I can't seem to find the HD490s for sale anywhere. They're not even listed on Sennheiser's website?? Am I missing something here? Were they discontinued or just sold out?
Which ear pads do you think would be better outside of competitive gaming? Would the velour’s warmer tone maybe be better for immersive single player games, music, and/or movies?
Just got my hype 4 the other day and I must say, it is worth the price. Won't be getting anymore iems unless thieaudio cuts the price on the monarch mk3.
Just got mine today! love them so far and the comfort is extremely nice! Do you ever EQ any of these headphones when you go from game to game or just regular use?
i purchased the 490 hd pro plus and the zen dac v3 based on your review for my first upgraded audio set up for my pc! I am very new to this and i am loving them for gaming and music. ive never heard audio so clear in my life hahahaha. do you have any eq videos for cod/warzone or recommend any? i have no idea what im doing when it comes to this so any info would be useful. thanks a lot!
That’s amazing! I try not to eq. I try to find things that work really well out of the box. Try the cloth ear cups for cod If you want to lessen the bass
I might have to get these right now i have Turtle Beach Stealth Pro Audze Maxwell VzR.Model One Was thinking about the Ace Zone headset so but always heard good stuff about the Sennheiser brand though ! Edit: I do need to get a good audio DAC I've been using the headphone port that comes with the Rodecaster Pro 2
@FreshReviewsYT I watched this video over a month ago and you sold me on them. My first step into a true quality headphone for gaming. Along with my first step I bought a Topping DX3 Pro Plus to go with the 490. Do you think I'm leaving a lot on the table using this DAC/amp?
@@FreshReviewsYT Really appreciate the rapid response. You gave me the comfort in buying these in the first place and now you confirmed it. I've been loving them!
The Maxwell and the MM-100 I guess you mean? The imaging is a little more precise with the MM-100 and I found the soundstage to be more realistic then the Maxwell. They didn't have the depth for things in the distance where as it felt organic with the MM-100 to know how far away a gun battle was taking place for example. Otherwise they are very simular. The MM-100 is a little more airy and subdued because it isn't close back as well.@@Triwjhd
Hey Fresh, I am curious what "deterioration in separation" you had experienced when you were using the K9 PRO AKM version dac. I am eyeing on an AK4191+AK4499EX DAC/AMP, I want to make sure I can test out the issue you mentioned once I got it to see if it would hinder the hd 490 pro performance.
i finally bought a pair and to me the valour pads dont sound much different than the tygr 300r for sound quality but is more spacious and the cloth sounds so bland. Have you tried teh Shure 1840. They are amazing.
Tips and cables effect sound. Tips more than cable though. Cables are mainly comfort or aesthetics, but there can be some minute changes based on the materials used. Tips though since they're the part that goes in your ear. Material differences, bore width and size all have changing properties to sound, but it's all not super noticeable. Comfort is king.
Both headphones are very good. I give the slight edge to the 490. Probably not worth the full upgrade, but I do have to say I do give the gaming lead to the 490
Given that you've emphasized the topping dx9, I think it's high time that you compare your wall hack certified tier list to motherboard audio ( if applicable). I know that would mean more time spent on testing, but it's something that, I believe, would be helpful for your viewers. Great video as always.
The problem with that is everyone’s board is different. So even if I had a bad experience it doesn’t necessarily mean someone else would with potentially a better chip
@@FreshReviewsYT Would the Topping DX9 compare well with the Schiit Magni Unity (internal DAC option)?
@@FreshReviewsYT Makes sense actually, how about maybe for reference point atleast? or maybe try comparing those to your recommended budget dacs? because here lies the problem, not everyone has the luxury to splurge 1300 usd on the topping dx9. 200? 400? no problem, but 1300? that's a lot of commitment for audio equipment. What if there was someone like me who was just sick of how bad gaming headsets were and just decided to look for something else (how i found this channel) but doesn't have anything over 200 or even 100 to spend on new gear (also me) and that's how I ended up with the Truthear Crinacle Zero paired with a 10 usd dongle and that was such a game changer for me. Will always be grateful to have found this channel and I don't want new comers to think that they need to spend 1300 to get a similar experience that you had on your reviews and testing.
@@BlueScreen64 Better late than never. The DX9 (I have) and the Magni (I had) are in different leagues. There is a $1000 difference. The Magni was my introduction to High-End Desktop hi-fi, and it is fantastic for the money. It is also powerful enough to drive them. But the DX9 is a different beast.
My guy thanks for being such an asset to the community! Best reviewer, really appreciate all your hard work! GBY brother !
Ty!!
Second this comment ❤
He is truly a gem among the gaming community, hats off to you sir 👍
@@abhijithmukundan8002 tysm!!!
@@FreshReviewsYT My current headphone and favorite that i have tried thus far is the harmonicdyne zeus elite, how do you think these compare for music listening? Also my audio source is fiio q15. also have you had chance to try simgot ea500lm?
Hello Fresh! Got DT 900 PRO X after your review and pair it with iFi Zen Dac v2. Then got DT 1990 PRO and added ZEN CAN to the stack with Zen Dac v2. Now I got HD 490 Pro and put my DT 1990 PRO aside.
HD 490 Pro wow, just wow.
Thanks for your handy reviews Man!
Hey bro 490s worth it over 900 pro for gaming do you think
@Sammy0h For sure. They so well sounded and lightweight. I used DT 1990 Pro for about a year playing Tarkov mainly. I got my pair HD 490 recently and can hear everything in Tarkov so much better. My teammates called me a cheater once I used DT 1990 because I was able to hear the enemy much better than they do. Now, they can not believe I'm not cheating - because I hear everything way waaay better than with DT 1990. The first day when I got HD 490 and started to play Tarkov with them, I had a feeling like I played with earplugs wearing DT 1990.
HD 490 is phenomenal and extremely comfortable to wear if I compare them vs DT 1990 PRO or DT 900 PRO X.
It is also very good for music. I'm using them with cloth earpads straight out of the box.
P.S: I wish Sennheiser paid me for this review 😂. It is amazing headphones for gaming and music. Definitely my main headphones now, and I'm currently selling all the rest of the headphones I have.
@CrafteG im wondering if i should get these for tarkov and other comp games i have truthear zeros and 560s atm.
@@5YRID Hey. I don't use IEM's and can compare only vs DT 1990 PRO, DT 900 PRO X, Philips X2HR, SHP9500 and ATH-M50X.
HD 490 PRO beat them all in terms of sound in competitive FPS and comfort.
For Tarkov HD 490 PRO feels like legal cheating. I hear well better than on DT 1990 PRO which was my last main pair of headphones.
I use them on stack iFi Zen DAC v2 + iFi Zen CAN.
iFi Zen DAC v2/v3 only is more than enough for HD 490 PRO.
@@CrafteG How's it going? Still on them, like?
Hello ! Thanks to your video I decided to buy the HD 490 pro. I use it with the ifi zen dac v2 + ifi zen can combo for music, movies and gaming and the result is incredible! I can't imagine what it would be like with DX9..
I am very happy to hear that. Enjoy!!!!!!!
@@FreshReviewsYT And... now i have my DX9... OMG ! Earvana !
@@fxcolin haha
Just copped. Really keen for these
Let’s gooooi
FINALLY a gaming review of these. Been waiting for this review! Running these through the K11. Do they have the same slight separation deterioration as the K9 Pro on the K11 or worse?
Another amazing and super detailed review. Keep it up Fresh!
Ty myden!!!!
Just ordered the hd490 pro after watching this . Paired it with k7 i hope to get the same or close experience you had. Thanks for the review.
Have fun!
Do u like it?
@@Filpsa yes i love it so comfortable and light sound quality is amazing
Thanks!
Ty!
was trying to add it to the other post ! Thanks again! @@FreshReviewsYT
Great review! Thanks for mentioning the 560's, I love mine but looking at these, hopefully pair pretty well with the iFi zen dac.
did you try it and how was your experience? 😅
same question
I hope this helps some of you with your decision making. I play COD 99% of the time and am a 3KD player for reference.
I decided to pull the trigger on these, I have DT 900 pro's and Kiwi Ears Orchestra Lights as comparison.
I Run Art is war audio tune.
After watching Biffle, Shifty etc with their audio I could never understand how they could pinpoint, locate and hear players so well. Even though I had "A Tier" headphones.
This has totally changed with the 490 pros. I have never heard positional accuracy like it. I can hear people swinging corners. I can slide cancel corners, break cameras and Prefire so much better. I can turn on kids when I hear them behind me.
They don't sound "better" than the others, but the positional audio is on a different level.
Yes they are expensive, but am so thankful I pulled the trigger. Would not hesitate.
Thanks so much for sharing sammy
Hey, I also play cod/warzone only and have the orchestra lite with art war tunning… how do you compare? Which DAC do you have? Thanks!
@@rodrigoleitao4700 read above?
Much prefer the 490s.
I have a Fiio k7
Do you use the extra earcup?
Which pads do you prefer ?
The repeated emphasis on the sound quality difference depending on sources is appreciated. It's also true of IEMs, yet so many in the community proudly disregard it in favor of pushing something like the Apple dongle.
you’re the goat. trusted your reviews in the past and haven’t been let down. was on the fence about picking them up vs 2 other headphones but your review locked in my decision.
Enjoy
Update?
@@brutyfruity using a $200 Schiit Magni Unity dac on medium output and this combo goes crazy. Defiantly make sure you're in a good environment for an open back though. I play mostly FPS games and I never feel like I'm missing audio queues or footsteps.
other positives. really comfy, ears don't sweat, there is a notch in the headband for you to hang on a BenQ monitor headset holder, the cable can be plugged into either side.
Still hoping you add Hunt:Showdown to your testing suite, as it’s one of the best audio engines in gaming currently.
Other games with very good sound are:
TLOU 1 remake and TLOU 2
Forza Horizon 5
The Resident Evil franchise after the 2 Remake
CSGO
Hellblade 1 and 2
Zelda Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom
I didn't think I'd go back to wired headphones, but these and the less new SONY MDR-MV1 are now on my comparison list.
Hi, I’m also comparing 490 and MV1, how’s your decision?
I am very interested myself in the MDR-MV1. I haven't seen anyone talk about them in terms of gaming, but Sony has always produced a nice sound for me.
I've purchased the Kiwi orchestra lite based from your recommendations. I'll be picking this up as my next headset for gaming. I almost purchased the dt1990 pro. Glad i saw this. Thanks Fresh!
You won't regret it. I ordered both this and the Audeze Maxwell. Maxwell arrived earlier, but since the 490 Pro was in it only took me hours to decide that is one I want to keep. I ordered the Tea Pro as well, to cover the bass & thick fun side of my listening.
I need the Palworld sound profile 😂
Techne!! I thought of you for this one. The ambient noise in palworld on this can is insane. I can listen to the waterfalls and wind blowing for hours 🤣
@@FreshReviewsYT LOL, I hope I get the same results with the $3k headphones I just purchased, 🤣
@@TheTechne let’s goooooo! Can’t wait to hear about em!
Awesome hear you talk about soundstage depth and layering in gaming, terms that only audiophiles use, but that are very important for gaming. Also, waiting your reviews of the HE1000se, i hear those have the better layering ever
I have not tried the HE1000se but I do own the HE1000 Stealth and they are amazing for gaming and music.
@@H_e_X_n awesome! , what is your chain to feed the HEk?
@@YTjuanchicod I also picked up the Dx9 so I'm using that but previously had a JDS Labs Element 3
@@H_e_X_n How are you finding your DX9 compared to your Element 3?
@@MertLDN I have not sat down and done an in depth a/b test but from swapping things around one morning I want to say the soundstage is bigger on the Dx9 but I'm not completely sure. It was quick but it was something that stood out to me.
The Dx9, like the element 3 has the ability to switch to UAC1 mode but unfortunately the PS5 doesn't recognize it being connected. This leaves me to believe there needs to be a firmware update to get it to work. Topping support said they were planning on testing it out on a ps5 so take that for what it's worth. The element 3 works great so from a gaming perspective I don't have the ability to find out if the Dx9 offers something more.
Just got mine and I'm running it with an ifi zen dac v2 and they sound amazing! Definitely do what you say, imaging is amazing. I finally can say I have found a headset that allows me to hear things I've never been able to hear, that's even with my Kiwi ears orchestra lites. I can hear people coming up behind mid fight in Apex, which I even struggled with my Orchestra lites. Awesome headphones! I personally don't think there anything special for music tbh and that might just be my opinion but nothing stands out to me. Very clear and clean sounding, not a lot of bass, for music. But I haven't used the velour cups so maybe the bass would be better for music.
Yes precisely! The velour will be more flavorful for music. So glad you love them! I’m having a hard time putting them down myself. They are fantastic for gaming
@@FreshReviewsYT Was kind of blown away when I killed an octane and then immediately heard his teammate coming up behind in a fight. Then I heard someone going up a Zipline about 30-40 meters away and could hear it and pinpoint it right away.
@@mmayojr yea it’s a beautiful thing!!
Hey so you use just the dac, no amp? I’m kind of a noob in this topic but did you eq your headphones or do you just plug them in the dac and use at is? And do you use the balanced or unbalanced port?
@@LS-is5ob I use unbalanced, and yeah it's just plug and play in the dac/amp.
I’ve been waiting for this review! My DT900 Pro X have a loose cable and are on their way out so I was hoping you’d say they were great
Glad I could help!
I have the DX9. Love it. I have that same 4090 also. Love that, too!
Hi, Fresh!
Hope you're doing well.
Geat review of HD 490 Pro. I'm really inclined to get a pair of them in the near future. In fact, debating between them and Hifiman Edition XS, now. Haha!
I have a suggestion: I really think that it'd be great if you could review Aune S9C Pro and compare it to the Fiio K9s and the favorite DX9.
In fact, your review of HD 490 Pro is what made me less certain about getting the Fiio K9 AKM due to its subpar performance driving the HD 490 Pro even when compared to the K9 Pro.
I've read and watched great audiophile reviews on the S9C Pro and it sounds like it could be a great dac/amp for gaming too, but no one has reviewed it from an exclusively gaming perspective. Obviously, your audiophile review of it would be an added benefit, too.
It would be also great if, in the comparisons, you test the S9C Pro with the Wallhack-tier headphones. But, I already know that you've got that part covered if you happen to review it.
Keep up the good work, brother.
@@carolinian-reaper thanks! I’ve actually tried the s9c. I loved it. My unit had a little noise with IEMs. Other than that it was fantastic
bro now that you made many of us buy the hd 490 pro, it's time for you to show us a dac/amp in around 300-400 (even 500 if not possible for less)range that comes close to dx9 detail soundstage separation clarity 🙂
absolutely loving this series, been a massive help already. Just wondering though if a comparison video between all the current "wall hack" headphones is in the works for the near future? awesome content, keep it up
Ty glad you’ve been enjoying it
I would love to see you review the Audiotechnica R70X's.
Agreed. They seem to fly a little bit under the radar. Have seen some claims that it's really good though.
@@RenbroNL I actually own them and call them my "endgame" - I can spend all day with them on my head and never get fatigued due to the light weight build and the comfortable wing mount headband (it's not for everyone's head though, so it's a hit or miss). If not for the cable I sometimes forget that I'm wearing them.
BUT, I've seen weird claims that say completely opposite things about them, and I would love to see someone with competitive skills test them out and put their opinion on the table.
@@D3humaniz3d Own these and the HarmonicDyne Zeus Elite, and I juggle them. The R70x is bonkers for detail ajd soundstage, and the Zeus Elite may not be as wide but it's very detailed and it's a lil more fun in it's tone.
fresh told me he didn't like the build quality on twitter
i own them, amazing with dac/amp. great for gaming, good soundstage. even for the price.
Thanks for this video! This was basically what I've been thinking as a replacement for my hd560s with a topping DX3...But I'm also kinda looking for something with a little more bass for music listening so I was also looking at the 660s2 lol.
Glad I could help!
Damn you have these already! Nice surprise. The non plus comes with both earpads.
Glad to hear that!
I would love to try these against my thrift store HD700.
I have a pair of HD700, I am using a dac/amp for my computer and they are amazing.
I picked these up, they are so good. Been gaming and listening to music with them and they are great. I have the 560s, tygr 300r, Hifiman edition xs, pc38x, Sennheiser hd 58x, and some random akg's and a couple of others (not including the ones I gave away over the last couple years). I haven't even tried the cloth pads on these yet, I've been enjoying the velour pads. These are smoother than the 560's and I find it easier to track sounds. The 560s is a bit harsh for my taste but the biggest issue is I don't find them comfortable even after 2 years of use. So the 490's will be my daily drivers, the edition xs will go to my bedroom for music or maybe on my tv... haven't decided yet. The others will probably get donated to friends who need them but can't afford something decent.
Glad to hear it!
I have the 560s, is this worth the upgrade for fps and single player?
@@PlaystationTechDad Depends, my biggest issue was the comfort of the 560s wasn't great for me. I don't think it'll improve your games if that is your primary concern, other than being more comfortable. The mids are better to me, but they may sound a bit different to you. If the 560s was more comfortable for me I wouldn't have bothered. If I had to pick one thing to say about the sound compared to the 560s, it's smoother (again to me). I use the felt pads, the cloth are supposed to be more like the 560s.
Thanks for the review.
I was waiting on that one.
loved the video you should do a video on sound settings in your games so we can have a deeper insight on what ur hearing ie. if you have htrf enabled on valorant etc
Default windows settings. No Spatial Audio. Straight headphone to amp dac. Filter 2 on my topping dx9
Hope we'll see a budget headphones tierlist one day... a man can dream... :)
There is one for IEMs.
@@FreshReviewsYT I know, I know... I just wish there were options for those of us with a bit more vulnerable ear canals ;)
@@bugbuster8598 oh a headphone one. Hmmmmmm. You know hmmmm I might have to look at some ideas
got these headphones but onfortunately one speaker wasnt working or very low volume. i didnt manage to get full sound by wiggling the cable and from what i heard of them they were awesome for gaming. i sent them back and just have an email to say my replacements are on the way i cant wait. sounded great with a fiio k5 pro ess.
Hey Fresh ! Cheers from Switzerland, Do you mind sometimes try your "audio setup" on a game like EFT ? for me it's where i see changes between one and another. Continue your work it's amazing and fresh to get a gaming point of view !
I’ll try to make it my mission to test in EFT! Love ya Switzerland
In case anyone wants a definitive answer on the difference between the Plus and NON Plus models, the official website list that the PLUS comes with an extra longer cable (3m), extra headband pad, and the storage case.
Both models come with the two ear pads.
IMO save your money and get the regular version, unless you really want that fancy storage case.
I agree!!!!! I totally could have done without the case and would have rather saved money
plus additionally has a plug-in licence DearVR MIX-SE firmy Dear Reality
Subscribed, I think audiophile and gaming should be on par an that's helpful !
Thanks!
Would love to see you test the Meze 109 Pros
Agreed. I’m curious about those too!!
Good but too treble forward with almost no soundstage width
Yo the apex clips playing on the side are wild 😂
Homies accuracy is incredible. 🔥
Haha ty
I was looking at the vzr model one and ended up here. I might have to try the vzr one over this. It is just too interesting
Please review the hd600/650 for competitive gaming. They are a very (if not the most) popular audiophile headphone options.
I would love to see a comparison between these two. I'm completely torn between these, the 650s and DT 900 Pro X.
@@artemuswithauCompletetly different headphones, I got both, HD650 will be good for Valorant, CSGO, but will lack the soundstage and separation for open world shooters.
The 900 Pro X are much better headphones for competitive games, but they are quite bland (still better than 560s) and can be sibilant for some.
Overall I would recommend trying out 900 Pro X or HD 490 Pro Plus
I tested DT 1990 PRO versus this today. After doing a whole lot of research this and the HD 490 Pro seemed to be the best ones for gaming and music. I also tested Sennheiser's HD 560S, Hifiman Edition XS (balanced), Beyerdynamic's TYGR R 300, DT 880 and DT 990 Editions [250 ohm]. Of all the HD 490 Pro (balanced) was the best in all regards except for build quality. Here the Beyerdynamic did the race, especially with the DT 1990 Pro, whereas the Hifiman was the worst in quality/comfort. I used Zen DAC v3 and also Peace EQ.
@@halleberry123 nice! Fun testing
@@FreshReviewsYTWell it took about 2 weeks of buying and returning and about 35 hours of doing intense research online to narrow the field of possible headphones down as much as possible 😅
Wow it's great to hear a Sennheiser can outside of the HD 800 series That doesn't have the dreaded three blob imaging. We'll have to give these a shot.
My current rabbit hole/search is finding a closed-back over ear that I like almost as much as my HD 800s. I moved to a busy City and have to deal with a higher noise floor. The LCD XC came extremely close but they are way too heavy for long sessions. Just got in a pair of DCA aeon noires that I'm hoping to test more this week. Would love to hear your thoughts if you have any experience with a closed set you enjoy.
I don’t yet other than the mmx300 which was pretty good
I've personally tried lots of different closed backs and can't say why anyone would bother when IEMs can provide a similar soundstage with superior detail retrieval and imaging for a lower price.
@@VexxedSR comfort and convenience mostly. I have rolled through a ton of IEMs and haven't found a single pair that don't hurt after a while. I especially find them awkward while eating and don't find them as easy to throw on and off throughout the day when I get up and down from my desk.
I'm sure custom molded IEMs would solve a lot of my gripes, but that is more of a purchase commitment as the cost of the molds hold 0 resale value. That and the need to clean them regularly is something I deal with.
Lots of personal reasons why I prefer over ear cans, but if you have a favorite IEM for detail retrieval and imaging (I care more about imaging than stage size) I'd love to give them a try!
@@FTGTapGod My favourite would be the QDC Anole VX, great comfort, out of this world detail retrieval and imaging but costs an arm and a leg. Cheaper options I would just go and try the Shuoer S12, Hexa or the Olina SE and pick the one that sounds best to you. Kiwiears Melody is also a good choice if you want something with more bass.
@@VexxedSR well I'll check them out. So far I've tried Starfield, Blessing 2, the Samsung/akg earbuds, and some midrange Sennheiser IEs. Nothing has sold me on IEMs even though I quite liked the Starfield for gaming. Maybe I just need to try higher end options around $500-1000.
I’ve had the HarmonicDyne Zeus Elite since August and I love how they sound but the build quality is seriously bad. My first pair had an unbearably loud creaking sound coming from the left ear cup every time I would slightly move my head or open my mouth to talk or when I would chew on my food. I returned them back to Linsoul for a replacement and they sent me a new pair. I’ve been using my second pair for a few months now and it had no issues up until a week ago where there is now again the same creaking sound coming from the left earcup everytime I slightly move my head, talk, or chew on food etc. I have seen a couple people online who have also experienced the same creaking sound as well. Also, the headband could do with a tiny bit more padding as well personally as I feel like the top of my head gets a bit fatigued after wearing the Zeus Elites for a few hours. HarmonicDyne seriously need to improve their build quality. After watching this video I l think I might just get the HD 490 Pros and not worry about build quality as these seem really well built.
Damn!
Honestly thought this was a budget headphone based Sennheiser's nonsense naming. Very interested in these now though!
Please Review the Hifiman Edition XS they have been fantastic for me and I believe if you review them you might have a new #2 (probably won’t dethrone HD800s)
I could hear reapers footsteps accurately and clearly in ow2 with these
Analytical pads/k9 pro ess
@@seankillar123 boom baby!!!!
FINALLY a real world video review!
Haha I didn’t realize there were so few!
@@FreshReviewsYT you briefly talked about comfort. In comparison to other senn cans, how are the HD 490 pros? They seem like you could wear them for longer hours than the typical fixed hinge sennheisers.
@@StevoJacobs dude. Way longer. I wish I stressed this more. So I game with glasses and take my contacts off when I get home. These are probably the most comfortable headphone i have right now. Better than the 560, 900, he1000se etc. I can wear them forever. Super light weight and really enjoyable. The velour cups do get a little hotter than the cloth
@@FreshReviewsYTI figured so regarding the pads. Very interesting about wearing them for a long time. You know there’s a company that makes a mini xlr mic worth looking at !
glad to see u doing headphone reviews again, keep it up love the content as always :)
❤️
Definitely!
Your vga watercooler is mounted wrong, the pipe should be on the bottom so theres no bubbles trap on top, just saying :p
Between the HD 490 and the HD 600, which one would you choose?
I'm looking between the Beyerdyamic DT990 pro and the HD 600, I didn't know about these HD 490, that's why the doubt, although I don't know if you've tried the HD 600 or if you plan to try them.
490
I might need to get a better source. I learned that the ps5 through mini dac doesn’t really affect audio quality since the smsl c200 can connect directly with ps5 via uac 1.1. This means I can buy the higher end stuff like your dx9 or the geshelli gear.
After using a lot of high end headphones, I’ve found iems are the best for gaming
IEMs are great. Love my IEMs
Great review going to be subbing
Awesome thank you!
Hey Fresh, I got the DT 900 Pro X's off your recommendation and enjoyed them and looking to upgrade to the HD 490's. I use a Focusrite Scarlett Solo interface (mainly for guitar) is it worth changing over to a recommended amp/dac like the ifi Zen Dac V3 (or 2?) to use with them? Any other budget / mid range options you'd pick over that? Thanks!
You are killing me lol. I just ordered it a second ago
Enjoy !
@@FreshReviewsYT Amazon. Are scum bags. I purchased a new hd490 pro and they send me a used one. It is a good headphone but it is not worth $400. At least I have a great reason to return it lol
I know you are a hardcore HD560S guy but HD400 Pro is the new version of HD560S after Senn sold of their privat customer sound division, but people are saying there is a small difference, have you tried the new HD400 Pro yet?
And that you still haven’t tried AKG K702 is close to criminal, they are insane for gaming, the resolution, soundstage and imagine is out of this world.
im buying k702 now just cuz ur words. lets see how it will perform in apex. i can return it to amazon anyway if some doesnt go right
@@princekittipon6510 how was it?
@@celzolsen8988 so fucking trash. The mf above doesnt know tf he talking about at all. Hd490 is king for gaming. Consider iem tea pro from xenns is another great choice
@@princekittipon6510I was thinking of the k702 too, are they worth it?
@@celzolsen8988 fcking trash. I listened to it for like 5 mins and returned it right away. Idk what that guy was on
You should try the Neumann-NDH-30. Better Version of this headphone.
Could you compare these to DT 1990 Pro?
These are better
Dt1990 treble are too sharp
Another banger!!
Great review! Of all your wallhack tier list headphones, if you could only choose one to game with until the end of time, which would it be?
Man, if I could only choose one right now it would either be the he1000se or hd490
@@FreshReviewsYT Wow the HD490's are that good?! I'm definitely thinking of buying a pair!
@@djsoulfilter they’re quite nice and really comfortable
@@FreshReviewsYT I'm currently using a set of Sennheiser HD518's so the 490's would be a big upgrade.
Your channel is treasure bro
Thanks
Thanks for the review. Any particular, affordable AMP/DAC recommendation to pair with the 490 Pro?
Ah man, so many options to choose from in the audio space. currently I only have the em6l but I've been thinking about getting some headphones for those days I don't feel like wearing an IEM. curious if the dx3 pro+ will sound better than my motu m2 interface I have my xlr mic going into -- that interface is praised for having a good dac. I could either get these, or the dx3pro + AND either the 900 pro x or 560s.
So many choices xD
Currently trying to decide between these, edition XS and ananda nano. Heard great things about ananda nano but I'm afraid the treble peaks would be painful
So this vs the HarmonicDyne Zeus Elite? Your thoughts?
Wondering this as well. Would love to know what he’d choose between these, Zeus Elite, or HD560S
This is the question to ask. I understand that the elite is more fun and the 490 is more accurate, but which is better for games?
HD800s killer? nice review by the way bro :)
❤️
omg finally something new from senn? thanks for the review. are these a noticeable upgrade to the hd660s or hifiman sundaras? both music and gaming.
I personally think it’s an upgrade over the sundara for sure for gaming
I can’t recall my experience with the 660
@@FreshReviewsYT awesome thanks! I told myself I would stop buying headphones, mice and keyboards 😩😭 LOL
Love the review! Question do you use Dolby Atmos or prefer stereo?
Stereo for sure
Headphones&IEMs combined with an AMP&DAC around 400-500 total would be great to see how will they perform
Banger review, banger wallpaper
@@lupe_g2 Ty!
Fresh, I value your input so much, My current main for my headphones are my Dt900 pro x. I also am running a IFI ZenDac V2 with the Zen Can amp stack. I absolutely love this combo and its amazing for the games that I play. Mostly games like Apex and Tarkov exc. But based on your List I wanted to dip my toes into the IEM world and I figured that my best bet was to start small and see if I liked them so I bought your best budget ones the (EM6L) and so far I like them a lot and its a great IEM. But it truly does not compare to the DT900 prox. So this is my question at what price point and what IEM would I need to get to have the same or better sound then the 900pro x headphones. I am willing to spend the money with in reason. But I don't want to be disappointed
The orchestra lite through the xenns top all handle well. Differences to sound delivery compared to headphones but once adjusted they perform great
@@FreshReviewsYT thank you
@@hellhawk4680 how long did you use the EM6l for and what tips did you use on em?
I still use them off and on and I like them. I am using the stock tips on them. They are great and work well at my office and I sometimes still play with them at the house setup. however they really don't compare to the 900prox when it comes to stage and Imaging. I know if I go up the list a little I know I can get what I am looking for. It sounds like the Xenns top is what I want. I want an IEM that I don't feel like I am missing anything when I want to take my headphones off. @@zerotactix5739
@@zerotactix5739 I still run them on occasion and they are great I just have the stock tips but they seal great I have owned them for about 3 months. They just don't compare to the Dt900 pro X with imaging and soundstage its a pretty big difference. I will say they do sound much better on my DAC vs just plugged into the PC. However I want a IEM that I don't feel like I am missing something when I run them and It sounds like the XENNS Top is what I should get.
I got these today, and I think for me they’re best on the schiit stack compared to my dx3 pro+ and smsl c200. I can see why people say they sound similar to 560s, with the cloth pads, the velour pads make them sound a bit more bassier, and not as annoying highs, the mids are somewhat still 560ish sounding but not as annoying but the cloth pads make them sound very close to 560s.
They’re a bit better than 900 pro x, but doesn’t necessarily “knock 900 pro x out in the first round” type of good. Will continue testing with more games. They’re definitely source dependent, so the better the source the better the depth.
But I don’t think these are end game for personally, I’m looking towards the he1000se next. I believe those will provide that mesmerizing smoothness, and extreme above average soundstage and imaging im still looking for.
Might be worth your while to upgrade the stack instead of shooting for a more expensive headphone if the main purpose is gaming
@@FreshReviewsYT like the fiio k19? I had I’m mind to get that amp, or the dx9, and get the he1000se and pair either amp with a cayin ha-3a for more warmth, depth and character.
@@TreSwayy Nice yea, the HE1000SE is great
@@FreshReviewsYT one thing I forget to add, is I usually test these on ps5 with 3d audio turned on. I notice that with 3d audio turned off, it makes audio sound great through pretty much all of my headphones. Even the r70x that I dislike the most. It’s just that certain games, sound bad in stereo on ps5. For example with apex, the depth perception becomes very very pinpoint with all of my headphones but for some reason things sound flat center, far right, or far left without 3d audio on ps5 almost like the sundaras, on PC I don’t think this happens. 3d audio kinda makes sound sound “different”, like the tonal balance.
I hate that I blew out my zeus elites from producing music I guess too loud with the 808s, it blew out my left side. Those were just above the 900 pro x.
How come you sold your he1kse? And kept the 800s? Are they your fallbacks?
@@FreshReviewsYTnow that I’m trying them with the cloth pads, I can say that it sounds really large. Like when i close my eyes it feels like the space is separate from what im seeing on the screen lol. I’m guessing this is what the hd 800 might feel like
This or HD 560s for you? Looks great and amazing review by the way 👍
I go for the 490 now but there is that big price gap
Fresh, pls review Thieaudio Prestige Ltd if you can. You might love it since you like Monarch Mk3 so much
Great video! Any plans for a comprehensive review of the DX9?
I should do a more full review
Great review as always! So they work great on your $1,300 amp, not so great on a $650-$800 amp, would it even be worth it to consider these for something in the budget range? I'm running the EM6L's on a Schiit Magni Unity right now and for my peasant/uncultured ears they sound great. Do you think the quality would suffer too much if I tried to run these on the Magni?
It might be worth a try. Have to always keep in mind that even though I tested them on expensive amps, it doesn’t exclude the possibility of them shining on less expensive things. This is just all I had on hand to test it on. In fact in general, I’ve had better experiences on cheaper things in terms of depth and separation compared to the k9. Such as the smsl do400 and topping dx3 pro+
@@FreshReviewsYTwhich budget amps would you recommend to pair with these headphones. Dumb question but can I listen to music and hear gameplay while talking to friends on these headphones? Like a “gamer” headset basically
I'm looking to upgrade my Sennheiser Game One headset for gaming. Don't need a mic so was looking at the 560s until I saw these HD490 pros. However, I can't seem to find the HD490s for sale anywhere. They're not even listed on Sennheiser's website?? Am I missing something here? Were they discontinued or just sold out?
Can you make a tier list in order with all the wall hack headphones?
Which ear pads do you think would be better outside of competitive gaming? Would the velour’s warmer tone maybe be better for immersive single player games, music, and/or movies?
I think so
Its designed to be light to reduce fatigue for professionals wearing these for very long periods of time.
It’s very comfy
Just got my hype 4 the other day and I must say, it is worth the price. Won't be getting anymore iems unless thieaudio cuts the price on the monarch mk3.
Honestly the hype 4 is the type of IEM that deserves the crown. Great for literally everything
Just got mine today! love them so far and the comfort is extremely nice!
Do you ever EQ any of these headphones when you go from game to game or just regular use?
I don’t. But I will test to see which ear cup sounds best
Did you compare these to the HD800S?
i purchased the 490 hd pro plus and the zen dac v3 based on your review for my first upgraded audio set up for my pc! I am very new to this and i am loving them for gaming and music. ive never heard audio so clear in my life hahahaha. do you have any eq videos for cod/warzone or recommend any? i have no idea what im doing when it comes to this so any info would be useful. thanks a lot!
That’s amazing! I try not to eq. I try to find things that work really well out of the box. Try the cloth ear cups for cod
If you want to lessen the bass
@@FreshReviewsYT appreciate the response! thanks again.
I might have to get these right now i have
Turtle Beach Stealth Pro
Audze Maxwell
VzR.Model One
Was thinking about the Ace Zone headset so but always heard good stuff about the Sennheiser brand though !
Edit: I do need to get a good audio DAC I've been using the headphone port that comes with the Rodecaster Pro 2
@FreshReviewsYT I watched this video over a month ago and you sold me on them. My first step into a true quality headphone for gaming. Along with my first step I bought a Topping DX3 Pro Plus to go with the 490. Do you think I'm leaving a lot on the table using this DAC/amp?
I don’t think so. It’s great for what it is. You will hear improvements though going better
@@FreshReviewsYT Really appreciate the rapid response. You gave me the comfort in buying these in the first place and now you confirmed it. I've been loving them!
@@JF9DM51 happy to hear!
These were one of two I was considering. Have you tried out the Audeze MM-100 yet? I just got them and adore them for gaming.
I haven’t yet
How do those compare to the maxwells?
The Maxwell and the MM-100 I guess you mean? The imaging is a little more precise with the MM-100 and I found the soundstage to be more realistic then the Maxwell. They didn't have the depth for things in the distance where as it felt organic with the MM-100 to know how far away a gun battle was taking place for example. Otherwise they are very simular. The MM-100 is a little more airy and subdued because it isn't close back as well.@@Triwjhd
Hi fresh!
Looking for a dac/amp and saw you recommend the dx3 pro+. You think that would make a great pair with this?
Hey Fresh, I am curious what "deterioration in separation" you had experienced when you were using the K9 PRO AKM version dac. I am eyeing on an AK4191+AK4499EX DAC/AMP, I want to make sure I can test out the issue you mentioned once I got it to see if it would hinder the hd 490 pro performance.
gonna wait a year for these to go onsale
But no mention of the harmonicdyne zues Elite...
The frequency response is nearly the same as hd560s. Just lower mids and highs by a touch
How do they compare to the 800S?
I knew you’d like this
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I wonder if the Sony MDR-MV1 compares well since it seems to specialize in spatial audio and has a frequency response like DT 990.
I actually didn’t like the profile of the sony unfortunately
@@FreshReviewsYTit was horrible
i finally bought a pair and to me the valour pads dont sound much different than the tygr 300r for sound quality but is more spacious and the cloth sounds so bland. Have you tried teh Shure 1840. They are amazing.
I would love to see the hd490 compare to the new audeze mm 100 for gaming
awesome review as always. this leads to wonder if different IEM tips would affect the audio performance in games
Tips and cables effect sound. Tips more than cable though. Cables are mainly comfort or aesthetics, but there can be some minute changes based on the materials used. Tips though since they're the part that goes in your ear. Material differences, bore width and size all have changing properties to sound, but it's all not super noticeable. Comfort is king.
Agreed!
Sup fresh I got the harmonicdyne Zeus elite because of u and they are great still … question, is this better than the Zeus elite?
Both headphones are very good. I give the slight edge to the 490. Probably not worth the full upgrade, but I do have to say I do give the gaming lead to the 490
Sheeeeeeeeeeesh another papa Fresh banger
Haha ty
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