As a Liverpool fan, I'm not bothered if Chelsea is "a greater draw" for young players who don't even remember Robbie Fowler, let alone Graeme Souness. I fully understand that players will make decisions which suit them best, whether it be for geographic, financial or footballing reasons. It is not a new phenomenon for players to choose Chelsea over Liverpool. What I am annoyed about, and I believe Carragher is too, is that our transfer dealings in the last 6 weeks have been catastrophic. First, letting Henderson and Fabinho leave before having replacements signed, or at least lined up. Second, the scattergun approach seemingly focusing on player(s) who were already further along in the process with Chelsea than they were with us. Third, suddenly bidding £60m for Lavia out of desperation when they were bickering over £3m here and there only a week ago. Fourth, not having a plan B, when plan A was so clearly risky in the first place. We have been left in a right mess with two weeks to go until the window closes, when this was supposed to be the summer we corrected the failings of the last three summers. To be going into the season with no defensive midfielder in the squad is unforgiveable. For most LFC fans this is frustration over what a failure the summer business has been, not a "Chelsea v Liverpool" thing, like the media are making it out to be for clicks.
👍💯 Lavia wasn't worth 50mil. But until Saudi put their money up front payments in the bank LFC seemed unable to sign anyone significant cos they wanted 'structured deals'. FSG have lost out on multiple complete players like Bellibgham, Thuram, Gravenbach, Italian feller cos they wouldn't put decent initial money down. Now it seems there's no alternatives and they're scrabbling round with multiple players saying no thanks. *You invest in success, you buy when top players WANT to be part of a successful, slways winning machine* FSG wouldn't do that and irs shambolic Simon is full of ***
Players move to certain clubs because of the earning potential. That’s the ONLY reason. Chelsea must have offered him more money than Liverpool did. Simple as that.
To be honest, and more to your point, I don't even think Lavia was drawn to Chelsea more than Liverpool. I think he probably lost respect for the club after they pivoted from him so quickly and when after Caicedo out of the blue. As a player, I would feel like I'm not really wanted when the club that's trying to sign me is so willing to step away from negotiations on a 50 million deal to instantly offer 111 million for another player. There's no way I would sign for that club after that kind of behavior.
Jamie Carragher just pointed out the shambles of Liverpool's transfer dealings, why does he need to come up with his own plan? Besides, he's a staunch supporter of Klopp and their signings in the past.
Bc hes a hypocrite. He said the problem at Liverpool are the appointments and not the owners spending. Well guess what, the owners make the appointments.
That's not what Simon is getting at, he's merely saying that the situation is more complicated than any of us on the outside can know. And that Jamie's analysis seemed to be focused on the embarrassment of players choosing Chelsea over Liverpool, when it fact it could have been a million different things that resulted in that, and that those are market realities, not necessarily the fault of the club. Therefore, what's embarrassing is that Liverpool are not doing their moneyball thing of finding gems and going surgically for proven stars at the right time. They got themselves into a pickle and actually acted quite reasonable, by going for the only two known stars on the market. Any other club would have done the same in that position. Only the very best run clubs without the funds wouldn't have found themselves in that position in the first place
I thought Jamie’s point was Liverpool had 4 different sporting directors in the last two seasons. That’s where the shambles is; and it’s reflected in their transfer dealings
Blatantly what Liverpool could have done differently is meet Southampton's 50m valuation for Lavia and get the deal done 2 weeks ago. They refused to go above 46, then came back in offering 60 out of desperation.
I think that Simon has his wires crossed about what Carra said. Carra wasn't suggesting that players would automatically choose Liverpool over Chelsea based on history (and the other factors he mentioned), Carra was saying that from a fan's viewpoint, & anybody who cares about LFC, this was all too public, and handled very poorly. It not a good look to lose out on two players to the same rival club, people are laughing at Liverpool right now because of how badly this played out.
And you don’t sell 2-3 players who can play a position without knowing you’ve got people lined up to come in. The more I hear the more I think what was Julian Ward doing last year if Chelsea were getting the edge on us by lining up players in advance.
Not as much as they’re gonna be laughing when Liverpool start dropping points because they’ve failed miserably in the transfer market and everyone knows they are desperately lacking in midfield!!!!! Liverpool have become very complacent about signing players, the days of players dreaming of playing for them are long gone, they may have the heritage but they don’t have the quality anymore and aren’t the threat they were 20 years ago, players aren’t gonna jump at a chance to join them just because they jump in last minute thinking the player will say yes, well actually have they thought about courting players long term and building on a conversation over time?????? Very very sour grapes!!!!😬😬😢😢
You say history but the players your going for are 20 odd who was on top then? You gotta remember who these kids see winning growing up. Ain’t gonna pick Liverpool based on what they done in the 70/80s Liverpool since 2000 apart from klopp done f all apart from comeback against AC gotta find a different point of view to look from
I think these things just sometimes happen. Liverpool pulled out of the Lavia deal because the Caicedo camp wolf whistled at Liverpool to prompt action from Chelsea. And now Liverpool have gone back to their other priority option, who's either miffed at Liverpool, or was secretly holding out for Chelsea all along. That's nothing to do with FSG. Where the scrutiny deserves to be angled is Liverpool's thin scouting network. If they're going to be financially cautious about European targets while letting time and rivals pass them by, then they need to look beyond the horizon in a similar fashion to Brighton. If Brighton can keep doing it year after year, then it shows that there's plenty of great talent everywhere if you know where to look
Lavia actually wanted to come to us when we were pissing about with the £45M bids.. he obv felt disrespected when he saw us go for a "better" option only for us to come back again
He only wanted to come to us because we were the only team bidding on him.. Chelsea came in to the picture late on and when they did he changed his mind. That's how I saw it
@@nazzycoach8985anyway lavia was a player being followed by different clubs, that's why Liverpool needed to get him quickly, but they did terrible business in an attempt to save some millions.
Would have been really interesting if you'd debated what Carragher actually said (Liverpool's transfer dealings are a mess due to the lack of structure behind the scenes at the clubm largely related to high turnover in the Director of Football position) rather than a completely fabricated idea that Carragher is angry because he thinks Liverpool shouldn't be beaten to signings by Chelsea because of their history, and should have a list of alternative targets lined up. Completely ridiculous supposition and lazy journalism.
Yup. Chelsea won those deals because they made it obvious they would pay more money than Liverpool. There is no shame in losing on those deals. The thing to criticize is the apparent slowness in moving towards a deal that could be closed before opening day.
I’m sorry but I’m with Jamie on this, liverpool transfer strategy right now is terrible, why go for a player that always wanted Chelsea and if you were going after lavia for so long, why not just pay the damn money in the first place. The weird thing is that they instead placed a £110m bid for a player who didn’t want them and rather put that money for lavia
@@zergnub7426 He made it very clear that money was very important to him in Jan. I believe Chelsea are giving him 250k a week for 8 years. Of course, he decided to sign for them. It has nothing to do with LFC or Klopp.
I don't even think that Chelsea is a greater draw than Liverpool in this deal specifically. I think Lavia would happily have gone to Liverpool had they not made him feel like he's not wanted. To spend weeks haggling over 3 million on a 50 million deal to then remove yourself from negotiations and instantly offer 111 million for Caicedo must have been a slap to Lavia's face.
@boniledokolwana2570 how can Chelsea be a bigger draw than liverpool, when in the last 5 seasons they've finished below them, and the last two times they faced off in Finals Liverpool bested them? the only reason they've gone to Chelsea over Liverpool is money, and fair play to them. but dont come out with nonsense about them being bigger than liverpool 🤣
I normally agree with Simon, but this rant clearly shows he didn’t actually listen to what Carra actually said. He wasn’t suggesting these players should have signed for Liverpool due to their history. He was saying the club have cocked up the way they’ve negotiated. Which is true.
What else could they have done? How about lift their Lavia bid to the 50 million asking price a month or two ago? It was already 10 million lower than they were apparently willing to pay
Also they bought 2 midfielders. Simon perfectly correct with Jamie just love listening to himself moan tbh. It's kind of being a "voice" for the fans. You know a real peoples guy
They could have signed Lavia for 50 mill two weeks ago but they wouldn't pay it. When they couldn't get Caicedo they then went back to Southampton for 60 million for Lavia. Jamie is right. It is a joke.
It’s salary/wages and for the length of the contract. It’s not that hard to figure out. And for a player that’s injured as much as caciedo, this deal is a dream come true
Chelsea don't pay high wages anymore and Caicedo has literally only missed 8 games due to injury in his career, 1 since coming to England. Try not to be too bitter mate.
8/9 yr contracts on massive money. Thats the answer. For a player its a literal guarantee of generational wealth for their family, end of story. Caicedo is going to earn over 125m over his contract, thats insane money. He's now 100% set for life regardless of what happens.
I don't think Jamie said anything wrong. Liverpool dropped the ball on the Lavia deal, anyone following it could see that. They did sign Szoboszlai and MacAllister but those were release clauses, they only have to agree a deal with the player in these situations. It is no coincidence that since Michael Edwards left, the quality of our recruitment has gone down. This is just a manifestation of that.
Liverpool needed midfielders since last year and had plenty of time to prepare. Where as Chelsea sold lots of midfielders this summer and know whom they wanted and have gone in and got them. Brighton and Southampton done very good business in sales and just need to get signings right for both teams.
liverpool lost 5 Centre mids this summer. Henderson, Fabinho, Milner, Ox & Keita all left. and Melo went back from his loan spell. we should have kept hold of fabinho but the greedy owners wanted the 40m.
So many factors to consider, the main one in the caicedo and lavia situation’s probably comes down to Chelsea offering bigger wages and a longer contract. If your offered 80k a week and a 5 year contract at one club and 160k a week and an 8 year contract at the other majority of players will choose the latter
Don't be fooled LFC still gets it in and occasionally is seen out on the town with an absolute stuuner Issue is we expect a cooked meal by the time we get home whereas these players want to be wined and dined every week. 😶
The players they signed had buyout clauses, easy deals, If Liverpool payed the 50 million a week ago for lavia he would have gone there, they messed around and the player has gone elsewhere, Chelsea weren't in for him 10 days ago, they've made mugs out of themselves
Where are the reports of that? Chelsea went in for lavia after the Liverpool bid for caicedo, Chelsea were concentrating on caicedo when Liverpool were messing about bidding under the agreed price of 50 million, if they agreed the deal a week ago I doubt Chelsea would have gone in for him.
@@jalenn757 Not all aspect of transfers are made public. Romeo is close to Joe Shields, as he took him from Man City to Southampton and now has convinced him to follow Joe to Chelsea.
The problem with Liverpool is that they're not willing to pay high wages. You can't compete with top teams if you're not willing to pay the wages like City, United, Madrid, Chelsea,etc. Salah is still at Liverpool because they increased his wages. They only got Diaz, Gakpo, Mac Allister because no one challenged for those players. See what happened with Bellingham and Tchouameni. Even Real Madrid with all the swag and greatness still pays high wages. It's not 1980 anymore. Chelsea is more attractive to young players now than Liverpool.
I’m a Liverpool supporter over 50 years and I fully agree with Simon J , things have changed Liverpool Manchester United the appeal to young players is not there anymore, and Chelsea 8 year contract s bright light s of London that’s where they want to be!!!!! YNWA
Caicedo was a target for less than 2 weeks... Liverpool never planned to lose Henderson or Fabinho. The 2 signings (8's) in Szoboszlai and Macallister are top top tier.
Liverpool can’t compete like Chelsea, the simple alternative for Liverpool is to follow the money management principles of Brighton in recruiting and scouting for relatively cheaper world class young players from across the globe, it’s simple. That’s how Liverpool can get the Caicedo’s and Lavia’s of the world without looking silly anymore.
This is exactly Chelsea's new operation, young players with a few expensive acquisitions. Multi-club model and young players bought for 5-15 mil, just like Brighton.
Of course Liverpool can compete with Chelsea. They have similar revenue streams. What is stopping Liverpool? They bid 110m on a player that Chelsea were bidding 80m for. Lying to yourself to make yourself feel better is not good for you in the long run. Sooner or later you have to face up to reality. If Liverpool could offer 110m pounds for Caisedo then they obviously had the resources to buy Lavia, They just did not negotiate professionally.
Regards to the Lavia pursuit, I think it has been a strange show by Liverpool. Caiceido is what it is, Chelsea have been on that one for a while. Liverpools bid put a rocket up their backside. I think geographic influenced could be strong in this one. Couple of young wealthy lads will have London as their playground.
Batjetic is a defensive midfielder, roughly the same age as Lavia and just as promising. Unfortunately he is recovering from injury. So called journalists have the memory of goldfish so nobody talks about him. He was getting a lot of praise a few months ago though.
For a good few seconds after 1.40 in this video, the moving Selco sign in the background lines up across the split screen & it’s really satisfying to watch
Of course Si had a problem with what Carragher said… sometimes I believe Simon disagrees or comments in a hyperbolic way to heighten the views when really he not understands but agrees… Come on Si 😅
I must admit, Carragher is absolutely correct on this one. While I used to be a supporter of Simon Jordan, I've now come to the realization that his role on this show seems to revolve solely around criticism.
the reason why is the 8 year contracts chelsea are offering, imagine signing for liverpool for 4 years, not living up to the expectation, u leave go lower club, but sign for chelsea for 8 years play bad dont live up to expectation u gogt extra 5 plus years on ya contract not too move
But you'll be benched to the point you'd want to move.. These players are not on crazy wages as people think. E.g. Badiashile (30k p/w) or Mudryk (97k p/w)...I'm sure other clubs will be happy to try to negotiate similar or a little bit higher wages if the player wants a move.. The long contracts just protect Chelsea's assets.
@@Iamwhatyousayiam but you cant tell me Caicedo is under 100k pw and same for Lavia, they will sit on the bench and earn if need be, if not they will hold the club to ransom for a huge pay off to leave in 3/4 years if it all goes upside down,
@@mickygill6280 Lavia definitely won't be on over 100k a week. Caicedo probably will, but not much more. Chelsea use incentive based contracts now with low base.
Nonsense. He is jumping past the point of what Carragher is saying. Where's these midfield defensive options? You have a list of a few ready. Liverpool has no options. That's why they tried to drag out the Lavia deal for as cheap as possible. Then panicked by throwing in an extra 10 million. The Caicedo one was out of the blue. They never contacted the player. Just threw in 111 million. Seemed like there was zero ground work done on that player. So who is their next option? There's none. This was a rebuild of a few midfielders. Instead it's only 2 in. Liverpool were losing 4 and then Henderson and Fabhino left. OK but where is the planning for the 4 that left? Liverpool are currently in the same problematic situation as they were last year. That's ridiculous.
Simon is the most contrarian, self-important pundit alive... What Carra said was pretty straightforward and difficult to contest - but of course Simon has to disagree with it.....
Simon's points are completely not what Carragher was saying, it's not about the lure of the club is that they've been unfocused and messed about and now have, very publically, ended up with neither target because of it. It's an organisational (and one that is a real shambles) thing nothing to do with the historic lure of the club which let's face it we haven't had for a long time. If a player says they want to come to play for LFC it's because of our recent success and Klopp nothing to do with Dalglish, Rush et al so I'm not really sure what Simon is banging on about.
Liverpool fan here. We got played by Chelsea, we went after their target and lost. I am okay with that he agreed on personal terms a few months back. Chelsea then went after Lavia and sounds like will get him. That’s just business and we were not ready. We have to get some signings and hope/pray no injuries this year
Perhaps I need to understand the argument of Liverpool’s legacy over Chelsea. Simone mentioned Liverpool’s dominance in 70s and 80s as a reason to favor Liverpool over Chelsea for players in their 19s and 20s age range. Chelsea has dominated in the past 20 years basically all their lives. Chelsea probably won the most trophies among English teams in the past 2 decades. More importantly still offering prospect of good salary, team building and future relevance. Simone may be saying based on his own reality as a teenager or young youth not these players reality.
Something may be off with Liverpools negotiating team. The players they’ve signed have just been release clause deals and not players they had to get into a bidding war for. And Caicedo wanted to one day play for Chelsea even before he was in the premier league. I think he models his game after Makelele and Ngolo Kanté.
As a Chelsea fan i have to say i don't think it's fair to say the lure of liverpool is diminished. Perhaps they need to make a little adjustment to the way they are doing business but they are still a huge club with plenty of attractive qualities to attract players
As a Liverpool fan since 87, I am on board with Simon on this one. Liverpool were. Chelsea, City and Man U are. The fact that my grandfather built a successful business in his younger days means nothing if his successors allow it to run into the ground. Look at the clubs achieve since the Prem era and the accomplishments are stark.
@@leighpalmer1234 I appreciate your opinion but the Prem era started i92-93, not six years ago. Look at the “big six” accomplishments since the iight of what I’ve said about Chelsea, Manu U, City and my beloved reds.
Problem is there's so much that goes on behind the scenes, that by saying its just Chelsea's name vs Liverpool's or that Klopp has no pull is wrong. Joe Shields heavily connected to Lavia and has been pushing for him since he joined Chelsea. Chelsea been on Lavia's radar since his time in the CIty academy. Also reports of Hazard's influence on his decision. Bigger wages or greater successful club are only parts that make up a larger decision. Chelsea were always going to bid for Lavia, it was always Lavia + Caicedo. This thought of hijacking Liverpools bid is false.
Jamie has got a point, the transfer side of things at Liverpool has been a shambles. The Caicedo bid was clearly out of panic, otherwise they'd have been speaking to his agents earlier and laying the groundwork. On the other hand, you cant blame young players for choosing Chelsea. Despite Liverpool being the bigger club, do you think they care? Like Simon said, they dont remember the 70's or 80's when Liverpool were at their peak. Chelsea have had far more recent success. That aside, footballers will make their decision based on the two aspects anyone would choose a job over - salary and location.
Agree with Jordan on the point that Liverpools legacy is of no consequence to modern players.And that is quite sad in a way.Things move on and past glories are quickly forgotten by many.
Players are choosing Chelsea over Liverpool cause Chelsea are giving 8 year contracts out and offering well more than Liverpool in wagers nothing else so stop all the cap
Liverpool should have had a shortlist of 10 players that they should have targeted, period. The problem is they lost Michael Edwards which has created all this problem. Forget Caicedo and Lavia. They can go and play for Chelsea, don't care. We have messed up in our signings
This is So Simple.... It's the lure of London. You're underestimating the Lure of London for Two players who've been settled in the South of England already. London is perfect as long as the Club is just as big or competitive. Declan Rice another player settled already in the South of England in London chooses to stay in London. Sir Alex Ferguson once famously said " London is another Country"...
it's not though, with wage inflation as it is, an 8yr contract is terrible as if they perform they'll be grossly underpaid 3yrs in but still be locked into that contract for another 4yrs? This argument that long contracts is good in this football wage climate is a fallacy.
@bg22757 it's low wages for the whole term but there are bonuses they can get, what they are and what amount they are we don't know but assuming winning trophies and hitting goals and assists will add to bonuses
@@CtrlDGame Only time will tell, but whats safe to say is, these long term contracts are attracting players bc at the first sight the player thinks his whole future is secured. And lets be real, the money these players earn is more than enough to make a living for them and their families. Caicedo will earn up to 72m in those 8 years
Simon was spot on, Carragher for me was just going off on one, as he does. Neville needs no explanation. Two players choose the same club over us, that's an embarrassment?? We'll see how CFC play them. Can't feel it's a more lucrative contract than that we're offering, so if it's the money, we'll see.
lol isnt it just funny how everyone says Klopp builds players and Pep buys the finished product, so then how come Chelsea and Liverpool are fighting over a City academy product? On a related note i dont see anyone spending 60 million on Takumi Minamino 🤔🤔🤔
Actually any sensible fan is laughing, due to the fact that both player's will enjoy sitting on the bench, getting upset and bored, probably upsetting the dressing room Its our greatest hope, that helps Chelsea fall apart AGAIN
Well explained by Simon. All todays players now are just independent contractors- who clearly now hold the contractual advantage with the current state of Football and the financial climate that accompanies it.
Simon’s right, of course Liverpool have a certain amount of pull but most of these players were born 20 years ago not 50 years ago so 5 premier league titles 2 champions leagues world club cup other European and domestic cups these current players see Chelsea as the bigger club. Then add Poch, wages and London and you start to understand why they chose Chelsea.
Clearly, both players were using Liverpool To leverage Chelsea. Liverpool should have done due diligence on the players, however both players agents could have lied to liverpool to say they were interested. Its also embarrassing for Brighton and Southhampton not knowing what was going on even though they got a big payday.
Jamie wasn't claiming that Liverpool's lure was the problem, he was complaining about how his own Club have got this one wrong in their approach for both players.
I've been going to the Bridge on and off now for 33 years, never once in that time have I believed Chelsea are a bigger club or a better attraction than Liverpool. For a short period in the mid 00's Chelsea was the attraction but Liverpool and United have and will always be a bigger club. Sad to say but its the truth.
Why would a young player, from lets say south america, care about the history of a club? What difference does it make to a 19 year old if Liverpool won the european cup in 1981??
You guys are not discussing Jamie's comments in full. Jamie was questioning what is happening behind the doors in terms of those determining their transfer strategies. He made mention of the number those in charge of transfer deals going through the door within the past18 months as the main reason their transfer dealings has been a mess and all over the place this window.
Liverpool are fine, statuswise. Chelsea just stole the march on the 2 players way early and had personal agreements in place. Nothing more to read into this.
Liverpool got played by the agent for Caideco and Chelsea ended up paying more. They obviously didn't rate Lavia as high as the price. They both went to Chelsea mainly because of the long contracts. The agents have done very well out of these two players.
Simon, you are not addressing the point. Liverpool clearly wanted Lavia and spent weeks under bidding insteading of just making the offer Southampton wanted. Then they ditched that bid and went for Caciedo who was already agreed to move to Chelsea and then when that bid failed, we went back to Lavia who was clearly feeling like chopped liver and decided to move to Chelsea and thats the point Jamie was making
I think people are forgetting the pull of London vs Liverpool, London is one of a very few truly global cities and I imagine that does make a difference.
The fact that they not English or British, explain the reason why. They don't have the bias towards liverpool and man United that the whole British media has.
For Liverpool fans this is a blessing in disguise because Caicedo and Lavia combined are not worth 160m. Liverpool can buy 4-5 other players with that money. I'm sure Alcantara can play defensive midfield until they sign someone.
Simons wrong here. This is not what Jamie is referring to. Last summer Liverpool needed midfield reinforcements and that was proved as the season went on. This summer we lost 3 midfielders and so now definitely needed to replace them. We’ve brought in 2 for those 3 which most people would be happy with. On top of that though we’ve now sold 2 main stays in the midfield with what seems no real plan to replace them. I don’t care what the situation was we should not have been letting Fabhino go if we didn’t have someone already lined up. We 110% shouldn’t have let him go knowing that Henderson was also going. No matter who we’d signed this season would be a tough one while those players bed in together. It’s going to be a proper rough ride if we don’t get players in at all.
Wether or not you love Simon, surely we can agree Jim White and Simon Jordan form the greatest parternship in UK sport broadcasting. Simon White does a perfect job of keeping Jordan Honest and just promoting good discussion. I love it.
What is Jordan on about here? Jamie Carragher didnt mention about done deals because its Liverpool. He said the strategy of selling before having suitable replacements was a joke. He said bidding £39 million then two more bids lower than Southamptons valuation then bidding £60 million two days later was a joke. And it is. Surely Simon Jordan isnt seriously trying to say that that is great business?
If anyone is in the wrong, it has to be Klopp, for trying to scupper the deal for Caicedo, which Chelsea had been working on for a long time. Serves Liverpool right to get that treatment back.
Simon you’re wrong 🤐 Lavia wanted Liverpool until Liverpool decided he wasn’t worth £50m, which right now, he’s not.. he might end up being a top player, but not even a full season under his belt, at a relegated club, £50m is ridiculous.. I think the kid didn’t feel wanted enough by Liverpool, but we look silly for then going and offering £60m.. so it is a mess, Carra is right in this instance and you’re wrong.. Carra annoys me as a pundit, loved him as a player for us but.. he’s right Simon, you basically agreed with him when you said “if you really want to get a player cheaper you have to strike early and get it done”.. that’s exactly what we’re all saying, we should have had this sorted at the beginning of the window, it’s been the position we need to strengthen since Gini left!
Isn’t it obvious? If Liverpool had bid £50 for Lavia 2 weeks ago without messing around they’d have got him. Instead they penny pinched, then insulted him by implying that he wasn’t worth £50 million when they suddenly offered £115 million pounds for Caicedo who had already been courted by Chelsea for months. Caicedo was always going to Chelsea, and Lavia would have come to Liverpool if they hadn’t gone after Caicedo.
As a Liverpool fan, I'm not bothered if Chelsea is "a greater draw" for young players who don't even remember Robbie Fowler, let alone Graeme Souness. I fully understand that players will make decisions which suit them best, whether it be for geographic, financial or footballing reasons. It is not a new phenomenon for players to choose Chelsea over Liverpool.
What I am annoyed about, and I believe Carragher is too, is that our transfer dealings in the last 6 weeks have been catastrophic. First, letting Henderson and Fabinho leave before having replacements signed, or at least lined up. Second, the scattergun approach seemingly focusing on player(s) who were already further along in the process with Chelsea than they were with us. Third, suddenly bidding £60m for Lavia out of desperation when they were bickering over £3m here and there only a week ago. Fourth, not having a plan B, when plan A was so clearly risky in the first place.
We have been left in a right mess with two weeks to go until the window closes, when this was supposed to be the summer we corrected the failings of the last three summers. To be going into the season with no defensive midfielder in the squad is unforgiveable. For most LFC fans this is frustration over what a failure the summer business has been, not a "Chelsea v Liverpool" thing, like the media are making it out to be for clicks.
Well said
👍💯 Lavia wasn't worth 50mil. But until Saudi put their money up front payments in the bank LFC seemed unable to sign anyone significant cos they wanted 'structured deals'. FSG have lost out on multiple complete players like Bellibgham, Thuram, Gravenbach, Italian feller cos they wouldn't put decent initial money down. Now it seems there's no alternatives and they're scrabbling round with multiple players saying no thanks. *You invest in success, you buy when top players WANT to be part of a successful, slways winning machine* FSG wouldn't do that and irs shambolic
Simon is full of ***
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Players move to certain clubs because of the earning potential. That’s the ONLY reason. Chelsea must have offered him more money than Liverpool did. Simple as that.
To be honest, and more to your point, I don't even think Lavia was drawn to Chelsea more than Liverpool. I think he probably lost respect for the club after they pivoted from him so quickly and when after Caicedo out of the blue. As a player, I would feel like I'm not really wanted when the club that's trying to sign me is so willing to step away from negotiations on a 50 million deal to instantly offer 111 million for another player. There's no way I would sign for that club after that kind of behavior.
Jamie Carragher just pointed out the shambles of Liverpool's transfer dealings, why does he need to come up with his own plan? Besides, he's a staunch supporter of Klopp and their signings in the past.
Bc hes a hypocrite. He said the problem at Liverpool are the appointments and not the owners spending. Well guess what, the owners make the appointments.
That's not what Simon is getting at, he's merely saying that the situation is more complicated than any of us on the outside can know. And that Jamie's analysis seemed to be focused on the embarrassment of players choosing Chelsea over Liverpool, when it fact it could have been a million different things that resulted in that, and that those are market realities, not necessarily the fault of the club. Therefore, what's embarrassing is that Liverpool are not doing their moneyball thing of finding gems and going surgically for proven stars at the right time. They got themselves into a pickle and actually acted quite reasonable, by going for the only two known stars on the market. Any other club would have done the same in that position. Only the very best run clubs without the funds wouldn't have found themselves in that position in the first place
He's a pundit giving his opinion and majority of Liverpool fans agree with him
@@Pixiesforever7 Despicable club and despicable fans. Shamed by everything and ashamed by nothing. One win in 33 years. lol.
I thought Jamie’s point was Liverpool had 4 different sporting directors in the last two seasons. That’s where the shambles is; and it’s reflected in their transfer dealings
Blatantly what Liverpool could have done differently is meet Southampton's 50m valuation for Lavia and get the deal done 2 weeks ago. They refused to go above 46, then came back in offering 60 out of desperation.
Goes to show they have the money. But act as if they don't.
Liverpool never offered him 60 million it's a lie . Fabrizio says so and they say so
Liverpool never went over their 46M offer. I love how rivals will just run with whatever fake news they find
Exactly what I was thinking 💭
@@Nunyabusiness40 and rivals love how you are screwing up deals 😂
I think that Simon has his wires crossed about what Carra said.
Carra wasn't suggesting that players would automatically choose Liverpool over Chelsea based on history (and the other factors he mentioned), Carra was saying that from a fan's viewpoint, & anybody who cares about LFC, this was all too public, and handled very poorly.
It not a good look to lose out on two players to the same rival club, people are laughing at Liverpool right now because of how badly this played out.
Simon is talking out his ar**
And you don’t sell 2-3 players who can play a position without knowing you’ve got people lined up to come in. The more I hear the more I think what was Julian Ward doing last year if Chelsea were getting the edge on us by lining up players in advance.
Not as much as they’re gonna be laughing when Liverpool start dropping points because they’ve failed miserably in the transfer market and everyone knows they are desperately lacking in midfield!!!!! Liverpool have become very complacent about signing players, the days of players dreaming of playing for them are long gone, they may have the heritage but they don’t have the quality anymore and aren’t the threat they were 20 years ago, players aren’t gonna jump at a chance to join them just because they jump in last minute thinking the player will say yes, well actually have they thought about courting players long term and building on a conversation over time??????
Very very sour grapes!!!!😬😬😢😢
Simon jordan is very thick...
You say history but the players your going for are 20 odd who was on top then? You gotta remember who these kids see winning growing up. Ain’t gonna pick Liverpool based on what they done in the 70/80s Liverpool since 2000 apart from klopp done f all apart from comeback against AC gotta find a different point of view to look from
If Liverpool don't get a CDM and a defender, they will struggle .
I think these things just sometimes happen. Liverpool pulled out of the Lavia deal because the Caicedo camp wolf whistled at Liverpool to prompt action from Chelsea. And now Liverpool have gone back to their other priority option, who's either miffed at Liverpool, or was secretly holding out for Chelsea all along. That's nothing to do with FSG.
Where the scrutiny deserves to be angled is Liverpool's thin scouting network. If they're going to be financially cautious about European targets while letting time and rivals pass them by, then they need to look beyond the horizon in a similar fashion to Brighton. If Brighton can keep doing it year after year, then it shows that there's plenty of great talent everywhere if you know where to look
Well said. The Caicedo/Lavia fiasco just sounds like a bad round in Poker and it all fell apart at the last.
Good point well made.
Pool fans crying on here is such hard on material! 😂😂
@@ronaldraygun5410that’s disgusting that you get aroused in such a way 😂😂😂😂😂
U should see me when United fans are moaning oh god my misses has a right good time 😎
Lavia actually wanted to come to us when we were pissing about with the £45M bids.. he obv felt disrespected when he saw us go for a "better" option only for us to come back again
He only wanted to come to us because we were the only team bidding on him.. Chelsea came in to the picture late on and when they did he changed his mind. That's how I saw it
@@nazzycoach8985anyway lavia was a player being followed by different clubs, that's why Liverpool needed to get him quickly, but they did terrible business in an attempt to save some millions.
Would have been really interesting if you'd debated what Carragher actually said (Liverpool's transfer dealings are a mess due to the lack of structure behind the scenes at the clubm largely related to high turnover in the Director of Football position) rather than a completely fabricated idea that Carragher is angry because he thinks Liverpool shouldn't be beaten to signings by Chelsea because of their history, and should have a list of alternative targets lined up. Completely ridiculous supposition and lazy journalism.
Completely agree just Simon trying to make headlines
Yup. Chelsea won those deals because they made it obvious they would pay more money than Liverpool. There is no shame in losing on those deals. The thing to criticize is the apparent slowness in moving towards a deal that could be closed before opening day.
Poch is really building a team full of strength, speed and good technique. Let's see where chelsea finishes.
I’m sorry but I’m with Jamie on this, liverpool transfer strategy right now is terrible, why go for a player that always wanted Chelsea and if you were going after lavia for so long, why not just pay the damn money in the first place. The weird thing is that they instead placed a £110m bid for a player who didn’t want them and rather put that money for lavia
LFC did better when Michael Edwards was in charge of transfers. Klopp fell out with him, too bad
tell you why they went for a player who wanted to go to chelsea a expensive PR stunt by fsg
@@andrewlane8949 yup they should stick to their own guns. Paulinho is next in the frame now.
Smoke and mirrors mate.
Let's not forget, Caicedo wrote a letter pleading to join Arsenal this past January!
And signed a five year extension to his contract with us before that. Flippant isn't the word.
Mercenary is that word. He will be flirting with Real and Barca soon enough...
@@zergnub7426 He made it very clear that money was very important to him in Jan. I believe Chelsea are giving him 250k a week for 8 years. Of course, he decided to sign for them. It has nothing to do with LFC or Klopp.
@@sandboxplayerz667 no it's 130 a week
He bases his game off ngolo kante so he's at the right place to carry on the legacy of Chelsea Dms
Simon missed the point i think Jamie knows liverpool cant rely on their name and need to be on the front foot
Don't get fooled by Jamie 😂... he comes of as a Liverpool fan... he's a everton fan.... he's clueless
I don't even think that Chelsea is a greater draw than Liverpool in this deal specifically. I think Lavia would happily have gone to Liverpool had they not made him feel like he's not wanted.
To spend weeks haggling over 3 million on a 50 million deal to then remove yourself from negotiations and instantly offer 111 million for Caicedo must have been a slap to Lavia's face.
@boniledokolwana2570Yes because Liverpool only sign English players lol
@boniledokolwana2570 how can Chelsea be a bigger draw than liverpool, when in the last 5 seasons they've finished below them, and the last two times they faced off in Finals Liverpool bested them? the only reason they've gone to Chelsea over Liverpool is money, and fair play to them. but dont come out with nonsense about them being bigger than liverpool 🤣
@@wigsterkenzie The big club past no longer works mate..listen to SJ again
@@wigsterkenziebecause Chelsea has won the most silverware last 2 decades which is what these kids’ childhoods are made of
@@F-1-LThey hired a manager that has only won 1 French farmers league trophy? Pochettino will probably get sacked in 3-4 months
I normally agree with Simon, but this rant clearly shows he didn’t actually listen to what Carra actually said. He wasn’t suggesting these players should have signed for Liverpool due to their history. He was saying the club have cocked up the way they’ve negotiated. Which is true.
What else could they have done? How about lift their Lavia bid to the 50 million asking price a month or two ago? It was already 10 million lower than they were apparently willing to pay
Also they bought 2 midfielders. Simon perfectly correct with Jamie just love listening to himself moan tbh.
It's kind of being a "voice" for the fans. You know a real peoples guy
They could have signed Lavia for 50 mill two weeks ago but they wouldn't pay it. When they couldn't get Caicedo they then went back to Southampton for 60 million for Lavia. Jamie is right. It is a joke.
Who said? The media?? 😂😂
@@Derpsman2021 everyone. including Southampton.
It’s salary/wages and for the length of the contract. It’s not that hard to figure out. And for a player that’s injured as much as caciedo, this deal is a dream come true
Chelsea don't pay high wages anymore and Caicedo has literally only missed 8 games due to injury in his career, 1 since coming to England. Try not to be too bitter mate.
8/9 yr contracts on massive money. Thats the answer. For a player its a literal guarantee of generational wealth for their family, end of story.
Caicedo is going to earn over 125m over his contract, thats insane money. He's now 100% set for life regardless of what happens.
I don't think Jamie said anything wrong. Liverpool dropped the ball on the Lavia deal, anyone following it could see that. They did sign Szoboszlai and MacAllister but those were release clauses, they only have to agree a deal with the player in these situations. It is no coincidence that since Michael Edwards left, the quality of our recruitment has gone down. This is just a manifestation of that.
Liverpool needed midfielders since last year and had plenty of time to prepare. Where as Chelsea sold lots of midfielders this summer and know whom they wanted and have gone in and got them.
Brighton and Southampton done very good business in sales and just need to get signings right for both teams.
liverpool lost 5 Centre mids this summer. Henderson, Fabinho, Milner, Ox & Keita all left. and Melo went back from his loan spell. we should have kept hold of fabinho but the greedy owners wanted the 40m.
So many factors to consider, the main one in the caicedo and lavia situation’s probably comes down to Chelsea offering bigger wages and a longer contract. If your offered 80k a week and a 5 year contract at one club and 160k a week and an 8 year contract at the other majority of players will choose the latter
Liverpool rejected more than me in high school
They got rejected 2 times chill it happens all the time
Don't be fooled LFC still gets it in and occasionally is seen out on the town with an absolute stuuner Issue is we expect a cooked meal by the time we get home whereas these players want to be wined and dined every week. 😶
@@Rockydenzelnever happens to Guardiola 😌
😂😂😂
@@Rockydenzelbet you're a laugh a minute
The players they signed had buyout clauses, easy deals, If Liverpool payed the 50 million a week ago for lavia he would have gone there, they messed around and the player has gone elsewhere, Chelsea weren't in for him 10 days ago, they've made mugs out of themselves
Incorrect, Chelsea have been talking to Lavia and his agents for over 6 months they just didn't make their interest public until 1 week ago
Where are the reports of that? Chelsea went in for lavia after the Liverpool bid for caicedo, Chelsea were concentrating on caicedo when Liverpool were messing about bidding under the agreed price of 50 million, if they agreed the deal a week ago I doubt Chelsea would have gone in for him.
@@jalenn757 Not all aspect of transfers are made public. Romeo is close to Joe Shields, as he took him from Man City to Southampton and now has convinced him to follow Joe to Chelsea.
Chelsea bid for Lavia on the last day of last year's transfer window. They were after him long before Liverpool even knew who he was.
The problem with Liverpool is that they're not willing to pay high wages. You can't compete with top teams if you're not willing to pay the wages like City, United, Madrid, Chelsea,etc.
Salah is still at Liverpool because they increased his wages. They only got Diaz, Gakpo, Mac Allister because no one challenged for those players. See what happened with Bellingham and Tchouameni. Even Real Madrid with all the swag and greatness still pays high wages. It's not 1980 anymore. Chelsea is more attractive to young players now than Liverpool.
Agreed 100% not to mention 8 year contracts
@@mikedon5205good point high wages 8 years guarantee what else a player needs
Liverpool last season was one of the highest wages in the league.
Diaz Spurs? Gakpo Man Utd?
Incorrect, Chelsea have reduced their wages for contracts massively and are well under the likes of City and Utd now
Can’t they ask the player first if they will want to join before putting in a bid, would save embarrassment
Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
I’m a Liverpool supporter over 50 years and I fully agree with Simon J , things have changed Liverpool Manchester United the appeal to young players is not there anymore, and Chelsea 8 year contract s bright light s of London that’s where they want to be!!!!! YNWA
Caicedo was a target for less than 2 weeks... Liverpool never planned to lose Henderson or Fabinho. The 2 signings (8's) in Szoboszlai and Macallister are top top tier.
Liverpool can’t compete like Chelsea, the simple alternative for Liverpool is to follow the money management principles of Brighton in recruiting and scouting for relatively cheaper world class young players from across the globe, it’s simple. That’s how Liverpool can get the Caicedo’s and Lavia’s of the world without looking silly anymore.
This is exactly Chelsea's new operation, young players with a few expensive acquisitions. Multi-club model and young players bought for 5-15 mil, just like Brighton.
Of course Liverpool can compete with Chelsea. They have similar revenue streams. What is stopping Liverpool? They bid 110m on a player that Chelsea were bidding 80m for. Lying to yourself to make yourself feel better is not good for you in the long run. Sooner or later you have to face up to reality. If Liverpool could offer 110m pounds for Caisedo then they obviously had the resources to buy Lavia, They just did not negotiate professionally.
Regards to the Lavia pursuit, I think it has been a strange show by Liverpool. Caiceido is what it is, Chelsea have been on that one for a while. Liverpools bid put a rocket up their backside. I think geographic influenced could be strong in this one. Couple of young wealthy lads will have London as their playground.
Batjetic is a defensive midfielder, roughly the same age as Lavia and just as promising. Unfortunately he is recovering from injury. So called journalists have the memory of goldfish so nobody talks about him. He was getting a lot of praise a few months ago though.
Only a fool would turn down the biggest club in the world.. Leave lavia sit on the bench for an extra 30 k a week
Caicedo a chelsea fan in his younger ages.. That helped too
For a good few seconds after 1.40 in this video, the moving Selco sign in the background lines up across the split screen & it’s really satisfying to watch
Of course Si had a problem with what Carragher said… sometimes I believe Simon disagrees or comments in a hyperbolic way to heighten the views when really he not understands but agrees… Come on Si 😅
💯👍 ridiculous take, ignoring that Lavia would be at Melwood now if they'd offered 50mil
@@hamonryechinaski180 sure he would of been lol
Yes but Liverpool got their first 2 transfers perfectly. So Chelsea have screwed them. Stop crying everyone
Where did Jamie say about the lure of Liverpool? I thought his point was the shambolic transfer committee compared to the Mike Edwards days.
I must admit, Carragher is absolutely correct on this one. While I used to be a supporter of Simon Jordan, I've now come to the realization that his role on this show seems to revolve solely around criticism.
the reason why is the 8 year contracts chelsea are offering, imagine signing for liverpool for 4 years, not living up to the expectation, u leave go lower club, but sign for chelsea for 8 years play bad dont live up to expectation u gogt extra 5 plus years on ya contract not too move
But you'll be benched to the point you'd want to move..
These players are not on crazy wages as people think.
E.g. Badiashile (30k p/w) or Mudryk (97k p/w)...I'm sure other clubs will be happy to try to negotiate similar or a little bit higher wages if the player wants a move..
The long contracts just protect Chelsea's assets.
@@Iamwhatyousayiam but you cant tell me Caicedo is under 100k pw and same for Lavia, they will sit on the bench and earn if need be, if not they will hold the club to ransom for a huge pay off to leave in 3/4 years if it all goes upside down,
@@mickygill6280 Lavia definitely won't be on over 100k a week. Caicedo probably will, but not much more. Chelsea use incentive based contracts now with low base.
@@mickygill6280 caicedo is 130 a week
Nonsense. He is jumping past the point of what Carragher is saying. Where's these midfield defensive options? You have a list of a few ready. Liverpool has no options. That's why they tried to drag out the Lavia deal for as cheap as possible. Then panicked by throwing in an extra 10 million. The Caicedo one was out of the blue. They never contacted the player. Just threw in 111 million. Seemed like there was zero ground work done on that player. So who is their next option? There's none. This was a rebuild of a few midfielders. Instead it's only 2 in. Liverpool were losing 4 and then Henderson and Fabhino left. OK but where is the planning for the 4 that left? Liverpool are currently in the same problematic situation as they were last year. That's ridiculous.
There are still options. Doucoure, Florentino, Kone, Sangare, Andre, Kamara, Zubimendi
Liverpool will sign one of these
This is why appreciate Simon, he is never afraid to speak facts.
Yeah, Simon is a saint. He's never done anything wrong.
Simon is the most contrarian, self-important pundit alive... What Carra said was pretty straightforward and difficult to contest - but of course Simon has to disagree with it.....
Simon's points are completely not what Carragher was saying, it's not about the lure of the club is that they've been unfocused and messed about and now have, very publically, ended up with neither target because of it. It's an organisational (and one that is a real shambles) thing nothing to do with the historic lure of the club which let's face it we haven't had for a long time. If a player says they want to come to play for LFC it's because of our recent success and Klopp nothing to do with Dalglish, Rush et al so I'm not really sure what Simon is banging on about.
Liverpool fan here. We got played by Chelsea, we went after their target and lost. I am okay with that he agreed on personal terms a few months back. Chelsea then went after Lavia and sounds like will get him. That’s just business and we were not ready. We have to get some signings and hope/pray no injuries this year
I think Simon is correct Chelsea are just a little wealthy and in London.
They should've offered the initial 50 mil and Lavia would probably be in Liverpool already. Nickel and diming got them to this stage.
Liverpool just avoided huge losses. They r better off getting players by paying the release clauses
Perhaps I need to understand the argument of Liverpool’s legacy over Chelsea. Simone mentioned Liverpool’s dominance in 70s and 80s as a reason to favor Liverpool over Chelsea for players in their 19s and 20s age range. Chelsea has dominated in the past 20 years basically all their lives. Chelsea probably won the most trophies among English teams in the past 2 decades. More importantly still offering prospect of good salary, team building and future relevance. Simone may be saying based on his own reality as a teenager or young youth not these players reality.
Something may be off with Liverpools negotiating team. The players they’ve signed have just been release clause deals and not players they had to get into a bidding war for. And Caicedo wanted to one day play for Chelsea even before he was in the premier league. I think he models his game after Makelele and Ngolo Kanté.
As a Chelsea fan i have to say i don't think it's fair to say the lure of liverpool is diminished. Perhaps they need to make a little adjustment to the way they are doing business but they are still a huge club with plenty of attractive qualities to attract players
As a Liverpool fan since 87, I am on board with Simon on this one.
Liverpool were. Chelsea, City and Man U are.
The fact that my grandfather built a successful business in his younger days means nothing if his successors allow it to run into the ground.
Look at the clubs achieve since the Prem era and the accomplishments are stark.
That is bs, Liverpool are very much currently one of the top teams these past 5-6 years.
@@leighpalmer1234
I appreciate your opinion but the Prem era started i92-93, not six years ago.
Look at the “big six” accomplishments since the iight of what I’ve said about Chelsea, Manu U, City and my beloved reds.
Problem is there's so much that goes on behind the scenes, that by saying its just Chelsea's name vs Liverpool's or that Klopp has no pull is wrong. Joe Shields heavily connected to Lavia and has been pushing for him since he joined Chelsea. Chelsea been on Lavia's radar since his time in the CIty academy. Also reports of Hazard's influence on his decision. Bigger wages or greater successful club are only parts that make up a larger decision. Chelsea were always going to bid for Lavia, it was always Lavia + Caicedo. This thought of hijacking Liverpools bid is false.
Jordan obviously isn't informed about the situation in its entirety....It's a total embarrassment for Liverpool how they have conducted themselves
What's Simon talking about here, chelsea finished 12th last season and are a mess, Liverpool have won every trophy available in last 7 years
Jamie has got a point, the transfer side of things at Liverpool has been a shambles. The Caicedo bid was clearly out of panic, otherwise they'd have been speaking to his agents earlier and laying the groundwork. On the other hand, you cant blame young players for choosing Chelsea. Despite Liverpool being the bigger club, do you think they care? Like Simon said, they dont remember the 70's or 80's when Liverpool were at their peak. Chelsea have had far more recent success. That aside, footballers will make their decision based on the two aspects anyone would choose a job over - salary and location.
Interesting they weren't in shambles for the first 2 transfers 😂
What's your point? Since the first 2 transfers they've sold 2 key players and had no plans in place to recruit to replace. Pretty shambolic.
Simon Jordan: what would u have them do differently??
Me: Pay the fee 3 weeks ago before Chelsea came in
From a Liverpool fan, Simon is spot on
Agree with Jordan on the point that Liverpools legacy is of no consequence to modern players.And that is quite sad in a way.Things move on and past glories are quickly forgotten by many.
Players are choosing Chelsea over Liverpool cause Chelsea are giving 8 year contracts out and offering well more than Liverpool in wagers nothing else so stop all the cap
Apart from caicedo all the players are on low ass wages for the players they are on 8 year deals so can't negotiate for higher now so stop the cap
Stop the cap the only way Chelsea can sign players is the big wagers and every body no it fake club @@chrisotoole82
Liverpool should have had a shortlist of 10 players that they should have targeted, period. The problem is they lost Michael Edwards which has created all this problem. Forget Caicedo and Lavia. They can go and play for Chelsea, don't care. We have messed up in our signings
Lavia will barely get a look in at Chelsea whereas at Liverpoo he would of got good game time, clearly went for the bigger wage
This is So Simple.... It's the lure of London. You're underestimating the Lure of London for Two players who've been settled in the South of England already. London is perfect as long as the Club is just as big or competitive. Declan Rice another player settled already in the South of England in London chooses to stay in London. Sir Alex Ferguson once famously said " London is another Country"...
8-9 year contract might have something to do with it 🤔
it's not though, with wage inflation as it is, an 8yr contract is terrible as if they perform they'll be grossly underpaid 3yrs in but still be locked into that contract for another 4yrs? This argument that long contracts is good in this football wage climate is a fallacy.
@@CtrlDGameyou have no idea what the terms on the the contracts are. There could well be salary escalaters. It's just conjecture.
@bg22757 it's low wages for the whole term but there are bonuses they can get, what they are and what amount they are we don't know but assuming winning trophies and hitting goals and assists will add to bonuses
@@CtrlDGame Only time will tell, but whats safe to say is, these long term contracts are attracting players bc at the first sight the player thinks his whole future is secured. And lets be real, the money these players earn is more than enough to make a living for them and their families. Caicedo will earn up to 72m in those 8 years
Simon was spot on, Carragher for me was just going off on one, as he does. Neville needs no explanation. Two players choose the same club over us, that's an embarrassment?? We'll see how CFC play them. Can't feel it's a more lucrative contract than that we're offering, so if it's the money, we'll see.
No pull fc lol
lol isnt it just funny how everyone says Klopp builds players and Pep buys the finished product, so then how come Chelsea and Liverpool are fighting over a City academy product? On a related note i dont see anyone spending 60 million on Takumi Minamino 🤔🤔🤔
Liverpool fans must hate Chelsea. Rejected back to back.😂
It is what it is
Actually any sensible fan is laughing,
due to the fact that both player's will enjoy sitting on the bench, getting upset and bored, probably upsetting the dressing room
Its our greatest hope, that helps Chelsea fall apart AGAIN
1st it was Real Madrid with that French DM and Jude, now Chelsea with Caicedo and Lavia.
@@gratefulkmChelsea wont be falling so dream on kid
@@gratefulkm Good old bitter scouse.
Carragher said what every Liverpool fan is thinking and what happened to recent success?
Looking forward to FSG replacements. Until then ... Go Gunners, don't let City runaway with everything, again 😠
Well explained by Simon. All todays players now are just independent contractors- who clearly now hold the contractual advantage with the current state of Football and the financial climate that accompanies it.
Simon’s right, of course Liverpool have a certain amount of pull but most of these players were born 20 years ago not 50 years ago so 5 premier league titles 2 champions leagues world club cup other European and domestic cups these current players see Chelsea as the bigger club. Then add Poch, wages and London and you start to understand why they chose Chelsea.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’m a Liverpool fan and have been for 41 years, our lure will never diminish this is all about money demands and nothing else.
Want some pepper to go with all that salt 🤣
1 title in 30 years mate. This generation of players grew up watching chelsea win numerous, and 2CLs in the last 15 years
@@Flipmode1900remembering short term stuff only suggests dementia
@@pmas27 15 years is short term? Early signs of delusion
Clearly, both players were using Liverpool To leverage Chelsea. Liverpool should have done due diligence on the players, however both players agents could have lied to liverpool to say they were interested. Its also embarrassing for Brighton and Southhampton not knowing what was going on even though they got a big payday.
Nothing embarrassing about those two clubs getting a big payday. All the embarrassment is on Liverpool.
Liverpool a club with great history ...... of losing players to Chelsea
Chelsea a club with a great history ....of being owned by Liverpool in cups
@@Froggyk123I'm not even a Chelsea fan 😂
Jamie wasn't claiming that Liverpool's lure was the problem, he was complaining about how his own Club have got this one wrong in their approach for both players.
I've been going to the Bridge on and off now for 33 years, never once in that time have I believed Chelsea are a bigger club or a better attraction than Liverpool. For a short period in the mid 00's Chelsea was the attraction but Liverpool and United have and will always be a bigger club. Sad to say but its the truth.
Stop stripping for liverpool
Yeah they have biggest history than us... But this century we are more bigger and attractive club then them
Liverpool talk about history, Chelsea make history that’s the difference in the last 20 years.. 👊🏼💙
Why would a young player, from lets say south america, care about the history of a club? What difference does it make to a 19 year old if Liverpool won the european cup in 1981??
They don't like Klopp hugs
Clown club with clown fans
You guys are not discussing Jamie's comments in full. Jamie was questioning what is happening behind the doors in terms of those determining their transfer strategies.
He made mention of the number those in charge of transfer deals going through the door within the past18 months as the main reason their transfer dealings has been a mess and all over the place this window.
Liverpool are fine, statuswise. Chelsea just stole the march on the 2 players way early and had personal agreements in place. Nothing more to read into this.
Ignoring the fact that it was Caicedo dream to play for Chelsea .was never going to go to Liverpool
To be honest I couldn’t concentrate as I was trying to guess how the selco graphic would come out on the other side
Has Simon ever said he agrees with another person ?
Liverpool got played by the agent for Caideco and Chelsea ended up paying more. They obviously didn't rate Lavia as high as the price. They both went to Chelsea mainly because of the long contracts. The agents have done very well out of these two players.
No mention of the 8 to 9 yr contracts at all? Very difficult for any player to turn that down imo.
Simon, you are not addressing the point. Liverpool clearly wanted Lavia and spent weeks under bidding insteading of just making the offer Southampton wanted.
Then they ditched that bid and went for Caciedo who was already agreed to move to Chelsea and then when that bid failed, we went back to Lavia who was clearly feeling like chopped liver and decided to move to Chelsea and thats the point Jamie was making
Saying Lavia won't remember Souness and Hansen etc. He wasn't even born when Michael Owen was playing his last game for Liverpool
I think people are forgetting the pull of London vs Liverpool, London is one of a very few truly global cities and I imagine that does make a difference.
Simon is on the money - the like Caicedo and Lavia grew up watching guys like Kante and Makalele, that’s the history they remember and inspired them
The fact that they not English or British, explain the reason why. They don't have the bias towards liverpool and man United that the whole British media has.
For Liverpool fans this is a blessing in disguise because Caicedo and Lavia combined are not worth 160m. Liverpool can buy 4-5 other players with that money. I'm sure Alcantara can play defensive midfield until they sign someone.
None of these players are worth this price tag. None of them are.
John Tossack was an absolute legend.
He is completely missing the point. They could have signed Lavia if they offered the asking price of 50M early on.
Simons wrong here. This is not what Jamie is referring to.
Last summer Liverpool needed midfield reinforcements and that was proved as the season went on.
This summer we lost 3 midfielders and so now definitely needed to replace them.
We’ve brought in 2 for those 3 which most people would be happy with.
On top of that though we’ve now sold 2 main stays in the midfield with what seems no real plan to replace them.
I don’t care what the situation was we should not have been letting Fabhino go if we didn’t have someone already lined up. We 110% shouldn’t have let him go knowing that Henderson was also going.
No matter who we’d signed this season would be a tough one while those players bed in together.
It’s going to be a proper rough ride if we don’t get players in at all.
Wether or not you love Simon, surely we can agree Jim White and Simon Jordan form the greatest parternship in UK sport broadcasting. Simon White does a perfect job of keeping Jordan Honest and just promoting good discussion. I love it.
If Liverpool knew the players involved didn’t want to play at the club in favour of somewhere else why was there any contact at all.
What is Jordan on about here? Jamie Carragher didnt mention about done deals because its Liverpool. He said the strategy of selling before having suitable replacements was a joke. He said bidding £39 million then two more bids lower than Southamptons valuation then bidding £60 million two days later was a joke. And it is. Surely Simon Jordan isnt seriously trying to say that that is great business?
If anyone is in the wrong, it has to be Klopp, for trying to scupper the deal for Caicedo, which Chelsea had been working on for a long time. Serves Liverpool right to get that treatment back.
Simon Jordan has absolutely schooled Jamie Carragher and Liverpool fans who think that players will only go to other clubs because of money.
Simon you’re wrong 🤐 Lavia wanted Liverpool until Liverpool decided he wasn’t worth £50m, which right now, he’s not.. he might end up being a top player, but not even a full season under his belt, at a relegated club, £50m is ridiculous.. I think the kid didn’t feel wanted enough by Liverpool, but we look silly for then going and offering £60m.. so it is a mess, Carra is right in this instance and you’re wrong.. Carra annoys me as a pundit, loved him as a player for us but.. he’s right Simon, you basically agreed with him when you said “if you really want to get a player cheaper you have to strike early and get it done”.. that’s exactly what we’re all saying, we should have had this sorted at the beginning of the window, it’s been the position we need to strengthen since Gini left!
Isn’t it obvious? If Liverpool had bid £50 for Lavia 2 weeks ago without messing around they’d have got him. Instead they penny pinched, then insulted him by implying that he wasn’t worth £50 million when they suddenly offered £115 million pounds for Caicedo who had already been courted by Chelsea for months. Caicedo was always going to Chelsea, and Lavia would have come to Liverpool if they hadn’t gone after Caicedo.