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One thing I haven't seen anyone really touch on, or maybe I've missed it, is the difference between *a* Sentinel Crucible and *the* Demonic Crucible.
What are the major differences between the two? I mean, the obvious assumption is that the Dark Lord created it after seeing the Crucibles of the Sentinels.
It's purpose was to completely drain the Elemental Wraiths of their power, right? The same energy used to purify the Hell Essence into Argent Energy.
It's mentioned multiple times that the Hell Essence is significantly more powerful than the Wraith Energy, so why would the Dark Lord even need the Demonic Crucible in the first place?
I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of DOOM 2016 lore. I could easily be forgetting something important here.
@@PandemoniumVice On the contrary, I think Demonic Crucible exist before sentinel (maykr based) crucible. The known fact here, Demonic crucible is more powerful & could hold limitless amount of argent energy (hell essence/energies + wraith energies/souls), so it make sense to be the "original" version of a crucible. My theory is the demonic crucible is actually wraith based magic tech artifact, but it was corrupted by hell so it could hold raw hell essences too. That's why in DOOM 2016, the wraiths could be freed from their shackles via demonic crucible, it was their magic tech artifact in the first place.
No, Argent energy is the most powerful one cause it's a combination of hell & wraiths energies, basically a purified solutions & it could be produced much faster because human & argenta tortured souls take eons to form into hell energy in the well.
The prophecy might be referring to the end of Doom 2016, where Samuel Hayden betrays the Doom Slayer and steals the Crucible.
@@PandemoniumVice I already covered that topic.
About the priest being corrupt by the crucible, is worth nothing that Hayden uploaded himself on the Slayer's fortress and that the crucible is now powering it, also I wonder if there's any physiological resemblance between seraphim and the corrupted priest, since that would point even more to Hayden being the seraphym, and why ultimately the slayer would worry about him becoming corrupted. I also have not understand about the difference between the seraphym and the maykr and how the latter degrade over time...
Let’s keep in mind that Hayden talks to the Slayer condescendingly, as if he does not fear him at all. I feel like only the one who created him and understands him so much would speak to him the way Hayden does
There's a lot of connections to Samuel and Samur, both of them say the same thing when they give the Slayer extra power (during the divinity machine thing and samuel giving the slayer argent energy) both have same VAs and among other things
Your argument might be convincing if not for the fact that Samuel Hayden is almost certainly a narcissist if not a psychopath.
Just based on his speech and his mannerisms, he does a lot to try and deflect responsibility away from himself, he uses this giant ass robot body, menacing computerised voice and a 10-foot lever to turn on the argent tower, he's trying to project his own power. it's very evident that he doesn't care.
He has absolute disdain for both the slayer and for hell itself, his forays into hell and capturing demons, shit like the cyberdemon project and his tolerances for Olivia pierces bullshit for ages show just how little he cares and how supremely arrogant he is, he sees himself as superior to everything else, including hell, the Doom slayer, the demons, the maykrs and even the other humans.
Moritami Kamikara you’re right, he clearly believes he is always in the right and that only he knows what’s good and what’s necessary. Which would also be a reasonable motive for someone like the Seraphim, who greatly disapproves of the Khan Makyr’s actions and believes only he can right the wrongs done. You are also right in that he believes he is so superior, bc for most of the beings he is. And as for his fellow makyrs (if my theory is correct) he probably views them as corrupt and thus feels he is indeed better than them. Samuel Hayden is defiantly a megalomaniac and seeks to control everything in order to ensure what he believes is good. But that doesn’t mean he and Samur Makyr are not one in the same. It just makes sense to me that Samuel Hayden as Samur would also look for every opportunity to gain more power, and that his creating the Doom Slayer was all a means to an end.
i feel if your Hayden, you spent your entire life researching energy, get balls deep into argent, realize your against your own expiration date to follow through, transfer yourself biomechanically, discover family blood is involved (Seraphim) Only to watch this "egg headed Marine with no appreciation of the work" come along... Hayden sees himself (up until he understands the full being of the slayer) just as fitting to be the savior, wield the crucible. Then in Doom Eternal, we see him ripped in half clinging to life... the audience see's this as a turning point. Hayden starts pitting himself against the Maykrs and how it could have been done differently. He respects Doom guy, as he learned somewhere in there his own place in the madness. I feel it was more a jealousy/ Snobbish up nosing intelligence than it was condescending. I hear you though. Even at the end when he says "The very argent you chose to destroy on mars is what will save us in the end." once Kahn invades the Slayers ship and didn't know he had the Wraith Crucible on him...
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I'm 99.99% confident that is a Doom Hunter aka Agaddon Hunters from the Telos realm. The horns, the metallic/electronic eyes, etc, everything is exactly the same as the Doom Hunters we face.
When i first saw that creature in the base, my first thought was that this one must've been an adult Agaddon Hunter since it has 4 arms, while the Doom Hunters we face have two. It is more than likely that the Doom Hunters we face are clones of this creature since the Agaddon hunters are known to be extinct. They are possibly grown within those caskets we see scattered throughout the Cultist base and Doom Hunter base.
Imagine fighting it
Also if they could only clone the upper half of the Agaddon then that could explain why all doom hunters have to use the hover tank as they did not have access to the lower half when cloning
Yeh sounds about right. Was thinking a similar thing brvva....
But they appear much larger to the doom hunter don't they?
@@freddiecrook7788 That's not how cloning works, but for the sake of the in-game lore perhaps there could be a reason why that is the case. It is definitely a massive Agaddon.
These lines would definitely break up the "The longer he stays on earth, the stronger he gets" Tirade.
But can you really shoot a hole into the surface of mars?
@@AcidGlow But can you turn a weapon into a teleporter?
@@vermili0138 But can you really kill a man's rabbit and expect to get away with it?
but can you get so much angry that you can't really die?
LOL
When it comes to missing lines, it's really one of three options:
1) They removed them for suspense.
2) They removed them due to plot change.
3) They left them in game files to be discovered by the community.
Personally, I think removing them created a lot more mystery and suspense.
The basic plot details still seem to be in place, so I'm thinking they removed them so as to not make it as immediately obvious. I mean, these things all but spell out that Samuel Hayden is connected to Samur Maykr the Seraphim in some capacity.
@@GunlessSnake agree
Seems like the thought process was: "No, this is too obvious"
4) They realized they were spilling too much beans
The lore tells us that all the makyrs are bound to serve the Khan, and disobedience is impossible. I wonder how did the Seraphim/Samur/Hayden go rogue.
Perhaps this only applies to the High Tier leader (Khan Maykr)? I don't know.. hmm
Perhaps we can resurrect the S’ayden theory
It's not much about impossible but very unlikely because the dogma embedded in every maykr. Based on Codex, despite the hive mind consciousness connection, the maykrs still have its own independent mind & some of the high tier maykrs have its own domains/worlds to govern. Seraphim/Samur Maykr rebellion & stole Father's core/essence clearly a total surprise to The Khan Maykr, so we can save to assume that this hive mind consciousness could not read personal mind or telepathically mind control/enforce a maykr. Or maybe Samur is indeed such a rare case, a glitch, a mutant maykr from Father's creation. In any case, we still don't know how, why, & when exactly seraphim/samur maykr stole father essence.
maybe their bound obedience was a consequence of this. the seraphim dared to act without her consent, and she enslaved the rest of the maykrs to ensure that it never happened again?
the Angels are free to act as they wish while the Drones are slaved to her will.
Also anyone find it odd how we didn't fight any of the Angels?
Something that struck me that you didn't touch on is the line "The humans have no time left", odd thing for a human to say, not so unusual if he were not a human (yeah I know he's a robot/android/cyborg now)
And its not just in the deleted line. Thats how Hayden refered to earth in the present canon voicelines too!
@Forsaken Pumpkin Yes but the way he says it. He speaks of humans and earth as if they were not actually his real homeworld
@Forsaken Pumpkin don't blow out your back with all that self-felatio, buddy
He also says on numerous occasions your people when referring to the slayers quest to save humanity, meaning he’s not human
@Forsaken Pumpkin An intelligent person would never think of themselves as higher than anyone else.
"Why is the priest look so demonic despite being a sentinel ?"
Deags: *aRe We A joKe 2 U ?*
I was talking to somebody else about this. Maybe the seraphim put his own power and might into the Doom Slayer and then put his own consciousness into Samuel hayden to hide from the Maykrs when he stole Father. Maybe a small bit of him spread into the doom slayer through his power hence the line "Welcome, seraphim" on Urdak.
I think the Maykrs "made" the spider mastermind so that he can lead the demons in the invasion during 2016, probably.
Olivia statue was in Nekravol, an unholy place that basically bridge heaven (urdak) & hell (soul spires). Also the clear evidence of Khan Maykr & Dark Lord made a pact together.
Very interesting theory, but what about the God machine? Didn't the Doom Slayer got his powers from it? Didn't seem like Seraphim transferred his powers into him.
this is a pretty old theory by now. But looking at the sound file from the beginning this actually cements this theory. Hayden put the bio-chemical signiture of the seraphim in the doomslayer. But the Hayden theory exaplains why he would have the bio-chemical signature of the seraphim available to him.
SniffersMc Or they left that file out because they decided that the god machine imbued the slayer with enough of what makes a seraphim for Urdak to recognize him as such. I think Samuel and Samur are the same person. The seraphim are already fairly biomechanical from the look of the rest of them. Maybe instead of relying on argent to stay immortal Samur decided to replace his biological body entirely.
@DerangedGod Good point. This is probably why the Maykrs didn't like what Samur did, as he basically took all of the power harvested from all warriors and put it into the doom slayer.
A small thoght poped in to my mind
Olivia Pierce prior to her transformation says to the Slayer "They promissed her so much".
Who promissed her whatever? At first I thought deamons but since you brought the similarity betwenn Spider Mastermind and Khan Maykr maybe she was refering to the Maykrs?
She was speaking to the Dark Lord in 1 small interaction. And in Doom Eternal, one of the priests was said to have communicated with her some time. But the Dark Lord was the one she most likely who "promised her so much".
Paweł Szczęsny I read in one codex that it was one of the priests (forgot which one) that communicated with Olivia. I think it was in the deag ranak codex.
@@drunkenskeleton299 Yes, the priest was indeed in contact with Olivia, but he definitely didn't order her to do stuff.
She actually said "They promised me so much..."
Basically, she was bamboozled.
@@novakastmusic no she wasnt. there is a statue in her honor in nekravol
The Spider Mastermind was clearly armored/reinforced using Urdak tech.
It's the head of a Makyr with a new body, imo.
The spider Mastermind was probably physically weak, but when the deal between Hell and Urdak was struck he was retrofitted with Maykr tech making him a formidable enemy.
Not at all. It's UAC tech, not Maykr. If you look closely, there's a UAC logo on its forehead piece. Plus, all the plating and wiring looks like 2016's UAC (since the corporation's equipment changed design in Eternal).
@@feels5460 And its armor is clearly of UAC design.
It's the remains of Olivia's exoskeleton. She got twisted into the Mastermind; her remaining physical body bloating up and turning into a giant brain as an ironic twist on how much she valued her intelligence, witch was to the point of choosing to live in constant, never-ending agonizing pain from her injuries, fearing that pain medication would dull her mind. The transformation left her now useless tiny arms dangling off in front of her, with her cybernetic legs and support exoskeleton turning into the mech-portion of the Mastermind.
Doom eternal has a lot of cut content, from "deleted" cutscenes, weapons, animations and such to unused voice lines.
unlocked console commands do help alot to this
Do you have a video or a way to see the weapons animations?
@@italo7676
just search on youtube Doom eternal pistol unlock, basically a fully functional burst fire pistol added to the game but never made official in the final release, also there are some videos where they show the cut E3 cutscenes ingame
I think future updates could unlock the pistol for playthroughs as well as giving you a achievement for beating the Marauder with a pistol.
Is there a link to it ?
@@DasLawrence "also there are some videos where they show the cut E3 cutscenes ingame" Do you have a source on this?
5:06 Maybe that demon is the Aggadian, as it says in The Cultist Base Codex entry;
"They named these creatures Aggadons, due to their similarity to the mythic cyclopean giant from Argent D’Nur’s past, the Aggadian."
the agaddon hunters from the telos realm
Who painted the image of Doomguy dual-wielding crucibles?
I will let you figure that out.
Tis was Carlos?
all i wanted for the doom line is to have a lore ever since i've played doom 1 on windows 95.... and since doom 2016 came out i can't get enough of the story!
I agree but they've screwed the lore already by contradicting themselves or just ignoring their previous threads. The UAC dudes still on Mars talking about corporate, the transition of Samual from 2016 to Eternal. They're doing cool stuff but they are twisting previous lore of the game so they can get cool levels in. I don't mind too much as long as they keep a semi plausible plotline moving in a direction that leads you through the game. I'm ripping and tearing the first 3 or 4 playthroughs anyway, lore comes second to fun.
@@KillerSputnik even Hitchcock and King, Poe contradicted themselves throughout their lifetimes in many of their novels. i would even say its pretty common. and it doesn't matter btw. people need to stop being too upset about whats canon or whats not. i mean the BESTSELLER of all books, the bible, contradicts itsself in every second or third page. does anyone care? no bc its fiction. i dont think theyve screwed up. there's more to come and you either love it or not. try to write books or novels yourself and you'll see that it is not that easy to keep up with all that has been said and done and to still continue with a exciting storyline. and you're right, fun before lore but whats a game without lore? to me, its just boring. and to be honest, we as the people need plotholes to make up our own mind. happened to the original trilogy of Star Wars and we as the fans (I'm not anymore bc you know... disney) made a complete universe out of it wich is beautiful. i get your points dude i really do, yet there is still more to come
When I first saw the Khan Mayker I thought. "This is a demon." I don't think that is a coincidence at all, and you're right in regards to it looks a bit like the spider demon. I also think it has some resemblance to the "imp". My own personal theory is that the Khan Mayker slowly has been corrupted over time by argent energy. This is also why "the mysterious voice" screams "noooo!" When the Khan Mayker dies. Obviously this voice must belong to something in Hell we have not encountered yet, and Hell has struck a good deal with the Khan Mayker for one, but I also think the plan was to corrupt the Khan Mayker until it belonged completely to the armies of Hell.
Nope, Maykrs are definitely not demons. I have read some of the lore. A thing called The Father "mayd" the Maykrs. The Maykrs were communicating with him all the time. They weren't corrupt in the beggining, they were actually pretty neutral, or even good. So these angels are reincarnating. Once the Khan Maykr ages for 10 000 years, they basically die and get reborn as a new, smarter and better Khan Maykr, but this is only possible if The Father is around, but Samur Maykr, The Seraphim took the consciousness of The Father in secret, and just got away with it. The Maykrs didn't fucking know what the fuck was going on, Daddy just disappeared... So... They can't reincarnate anymore, which means, shit, they gonna die. Guess what, they really didn't wanna die. This is the point where they turned evil.
@@novakastmusic I think he knows she's a maykr, but she was being corrupted into a demon similar to Olivia and the possessed from 2016
@@sinfulnitwit7647 exactly
Interesting point of view. Instead of fighting the Maykrs whom will decimate hell's forces with ease, they slowly corrupt them until they are a part of hell. I like this, and hey, I'm pretty sure the dark lords can wait thousands of years for this to happen no problem. The dark lords probably knew that argent will corrupt beings over time and didn't tell the Maykrs who were blinded by greed to even see the side effects of it.
The thing is, we see that ALL Maykrs look like that. Before they even learned of the existence of Hell, they still looked like that. The inanimate Maykr in the pool has the exact same body structure as the Khan Maykr. This speaks more to the idea that the Maykrs and Demons are related in general, but with the Maykrs resembling one of the most powerful Demon gods.
"But first the Icon must be stopped. The humans have no time left"
Low key saying: *THE LONGER THE ICON OF SIN IS ON EARTH, THE STRONGER HE WILL BECOME*
5:22 That could just be an Agaddon, it is explained in the game that they are a race that inhabited Earth before dinosaurs, Hell Priests are using them as a base for the doom hunter
I read some of the lore myself, and it is stated that they existed before humans did. I firmly believe the Agaddons were dinos, because it's so fucking cool.
@@novakastmusic it sounded like agadon hunters existed before dinosaurs
Yeah but the reanimated aggadons as the doom hunters are much smaller than the giant one in the room and also it has two arms and not four. It doesn’t look like it’s arms were amputated either but maybe it’s a baby or a subspeicies
@@untamedanml9785 could be the Giant Agaddon Hunter are the leader of the race - tasked to hunt Doomslayer, while smaller Agaddon Hunters are tasked to hunt the Knight Sentinels ?
this is from telos realm and kronos is the leader ofthe agaddon hunters
5:10 when I first saw it my immediate thought was Lilith from Neon Genesis Evangelion
Dont you mean Lilith?
@@ZeroCGR2 yes thank you, it's been a few years since I've watched it so I was thinking Adam for some reason
Well it works as Evas are made from Lilith and the chained up figure in Eternal is an original Agaddon Hunter and the others you fight (Doom Hunters) are clones made from it.
Doom is just a different timeline shinji made
@@lordofshades9852 Lol
12:02 I think she has an archvile head and a summoner body. The codex claims archviles are descendants of the first demons. Could the maykrs be ancient demons?
I feel like it could be the other way around. After all, In the Bible Lucifer was just a Fallen Angel. Maybe Hell is the result of an ancient falling out/civil war in Urdak.
Nope, Maykrs are definitely nor ancient nor demon. I have read the lore. A thing called The Father "mayd" the Maykrs. The Maykrs were communicating with them all the time. They weren't corrupt in the beggining, they were actually pretty neutral, or even good. So these angels are reincarnating. Once the Khan Maykr ages for 10 000 years, they basically die and get reborn as a new, smarter and better Khan Maykr, but this is only possible if The Father is around, but Samur Maykr, The Seraphim took the consciousness of The Father in secret, and just got away with it. The Maykrs didn't fucking know what the fuck was going on, Daddy just disappeared... So... They can't reincarnate anymore, which means, shit, they gonna die. Guess what, they really didn't wanna die. So they found a method. This is the point where they turned evil.
Now I don't really know the timeline, but the Maykrs did business with Sentinels. Meanwhile, the Maykrs struck a deal with The Dark Lord (basically Satan himself). The deal went like this: - I let you engulf planets and people, but you give us juicy energy; - No Angel shall step in Hell, No Demon shall step in Urdak.
So Basically, the Sentinels didn't know what was going on, but they literally got fed with the energy of their own people's torture and suffering. Then they discovered Nekravol, the place where the energy stuff happens. They went like "Shit... We got bamboozled. This bitch lied... Ye we having a fun time up there but this is what happens to our fallen brothers?"
And this is when the Civil War happened. One side stuck with the Maykrs (because of juicy energy) , one side against them. The Doom Slayer was against the Maykrs obviously. Then some of the good sentinels, with The Doom Slayer as well (whomst are against the Maykrs) went back to hell and fight. Unfortunately, The Betrayer was there with them. Then the Betrayer got bamboozled and trapped everyone in there, they still fought until the end of their lives. But... The Doom Slayer was still ravaging hell. While the Betrayer locked himself up in a "corner of shame", The Doom Slayer did his stuff as usual, almost eradicating hell, nothing much. But THEN... The Doom Slayer got baboozled too. They literally made an entire temple fall on the dude. And then they locked The Doom Slayer in a coffin.
And then DOOM 2016 happened and then DOOM Eternal happened.
novakast. While you are definitely right about all that, the Father made the Makyrs a long, long, long time ago. They had vast influence over many cultures and religions even before argent d’nur and the sentinels, so I would most definitely call them ancient. It’s never specified which came first though, Urdak or Hell. All we know is they have been around long before any other civilizations we know of in the doom universe (aside from maybe the wraiths?) which is why I said it is totally possible that Hell originated from the Father/Makyrs, just like the story of Lucifer/Hell in the Bible. In the Bible, God (the father) created Angels (Makyrs). Eventually, one of those Angels ( Lucifer) fell from grace and heaven, resulting in the creation of hell and demons.
novakast. But yeah I agree, Makyrs are definitely not ancient demons. My theory is that demons eventually stemmed from Makyrs, which is why they share some resemblances.
@@novakastmusic Imagine the hell priests telling some hell knights to "Push that pillar there! Yes right there that one! Take out the bricks!" and then the temple fell on the slayer lol
11:17
He's the "welcome home, great Slayer" guy. He's an Urdakin.
I agree. One just needs to look a little carefully at this mayker's face wen he says - welcome home great slayer..
Its identical to the pic that was shown.
sentinel prime is where Slayer was found and trained along with knight sentinels that's why that line is told, he's from earth doomguy = doomslayer
The dark priest looks more like a makyr to me.
This is a great find Acid! Blowing things up again
The dlc had made these quotes enter the series maybe, do another round with the dlc active.
Mick Gordon in his March 20th livestream mentioned that for his music he had to create a language for the Cultist chants done by the metal choir as the language set up from Doom 2016 was for the Slayer and the Sentinels. He said that there is most likely a dictionary for the first language, but it hasn't been fully elaborated on by the people who created it or released by Bethesda and iD.
I wanna say Haden is something more than just a robotic version of Einstein but in 2016 Doom you see Haden as a human. I forget what level but you see a picture of him
its when you go to the cultist part where the church is. upon entering you get greeting by demonic chants.
8:16 looks like a mix of the Doom Hunter and the chained up elemental wraiths from Doom2016.
I think the priest image was supposed to be a wraith, given the sentinel symbol on its robes that should only prove that it has sentinel origin.
The 2 "demons" next to it are probably gargoyles that you can see around sentinel prime.
Or it could be an og hell priest design
The Doom Hunter is a new type of enemy introduced in Doom Eternal. It was originally known as the Agaddon Hunter from the Telos Realm, a demon species which was specifically designed to hunt the Doom Slayer and his fellow Night Sentinels during an event called "the Unholy Crusade." While the species was supposedly rendered extinct long ago, at least one Agaddon Hunter somehow made it to Earth, hibernating for millennia in a remote region of what would become Antarctica. During the Hellish invasion of Earth, UAC cultists discovered the Agaddon Hunter's remains and excavated it from its icy prison. The demon was revived (possibly cloned, given the multiple specimens battled through the campaign) and mechanically augmented by the cultists under the supervision of Deag Ranak, who personally considered them to be his finest creations. Three Doom Hunters were used as Ranak's personal guardians, being sent against the Doom Slayer when he breached the cultists' base. The Doom Hunter's cybernetic augmentations are extensive, with the only visible remnants of the original demon being its head, right arm, and half of its upper torso. The rest of its body is mechanical, including a large cannon, a twin-barred chainsaw arm, and a set of thrusters that allow it to move through the air. It can also interface with a "sled," a hovertank-like apparatus equipped with dual machine guns, rocket launchers, and a shield generator that protects the Doom Hunter's main body from harm.----------------- this is what the chained up creature is, they are agaddon hunters
@Primus The Fourteenth maybe it was altered? Or maybe it hasn't reached maturity?
@Primus The Fourteenth Because this is an OG Agaddon. These real enemy guys are probably modified for 100% efficiency.
@Primus The Fourteenth I think the original Aggadons were massive creatures towering 2-3 meters tall and had multiple arms. The one we fought in the game were smaller, and clearly it was genetically modified and heavily augmented. These creatures are ancient so it's safe to attribute them for being massive creatures.
this was a really good video man, good job.
From the way he says "Makyr Land" I'm thinking this was an earlier version of the script entirely, as opposed to a deleted scene from the finalized script
TARINunit9 yeah I had that exact same thought. He might not have been available to redo the line later so it was cut.
Absolutely my impression. That line was probably cut because the "Welcome Seraphim" line communicates the same information less clunkily.
Just wanna say thanks for the effort you put into these videos. Keep up the good work man!
The crucified demon is a DOOM hunter, as you are raiding the cultist base and looks basically identical to the enemy you fight.
Here is my theory on the big chained creature:
It's almost identical to the Doom Hunters except for the cybernetic parts. Before becoming cyborg, they were called Aggadon Hunters and existed in the Talos (or Telos) Realm. I think this massive creature is and original, well preserved speciment of this race. However, the Doom Hunters are artificially bred from it's genetic material (or some other weird scientific thing) and that's why they are this much smaller - because they aren't natural
Thank you for sharing this content brother
I love the dread knight
Momo Kawashima - I thi k they should’ve just got rid of the vanilla Hell Knight since the Dread Knight is way more dangerous and threatening. At least they upgraded the Baron.
it looks like a Hell Knight was given the Bane treatment (not from TDKR but the comics and animated series).
Dreadknight does look badass..
Does dish out and takes a lot of punishment before going down too.
One of the enemies in doom eternal i love to hate.
Dread Knight is basically a Hell Knight with cybernetics. Which is a pretty logical progression for getting stronger demons to fight the Doom Slayer.
That last line about Vega staying to keep the portal open i think they purposely left that out not only because it seems kind of dumb but i think they also changed the purpose they left him. I think by the time the slayer kills the Khan, Vega gets all of his memories back as the Father and is furious by the Khans death and that was the scream heard after killing her, also why Hayden tells the slayer they need to leave quickly.
Now I'm thinking the Spider mastermind was made up of makyr technology because it's one of the only demons resembling the colors white and red
This really interesting thank you for bringing it to my attention
Love the videos, would love em more in 4k!
So we're just not gonna talk about the maykrs? Okay hear me out. The maykr bodies (both the giant body in the vat of purple water AND the Khan Maykr when you kill her and her armor is stripped off her face) without armor bear a pretty striking resemblance to the arch vile. Tan leathery skin, exposed brain, rather uniform design of their eyeballs, the jagged teeth, etc. We know Maykrs are an ancient race and that arch-viles are a very old species of demon. Could arch-viles therefore be descended from the maykrs? Maybe fallen/corrupted maykrs evolved into arch-viles? Who knows?
This doesn't make much sense, because the Archvile is a descendent from the eldest race of demons, therefore we can assume its very old. The Maykrs are very old themselves, but Khan Maykr herself had no idea what the demons were before meeting the Doom Slayer.
They dont look alike at all? dafuq
They have more resemblance with arachnatrons and spider mastermind but in a different frame. I´d rather say that it´s either corruption through argent energy or the spider was originally from urdak that somehow fell in the hands of the demons...
It's feasible that elder demons which the archviles descended from might be fallen maykrs, maybe the legs instead of those squidy tentacles are an evolutionary thing
Great video keep them up
I feel that Hayden IS Seraphim for a number of reasons. A. He immediately knew where the last Hell Priest was, the first thing he says to you is "The Final Hell Priest is on Sentinel Prime." Even with a vast knowledge of Hell, It's impossible to know at the drop of a hat where one very specific person is. This could be attributed to the Codex saying all Maykr's share the same mind, while being completely unique but unable to deviate from the Khan's whim, the only Maykr that could was Seraphim who still had access to the shared hive-mind(Sorta like the Geth). B. He knew exactly how to reach Urdak. His extensive knowledge of Hell, were he human, would not give him insight on that the portal would reach it given a demon or Sentinel had never set foot on Earth. C. This may be stretching a bit, but he knew exactly where to look for the Doom Slayer in Hell after his imprisonment. No hunting different realms, straight to the Kadinger Sanctum. D. He constantly goes on how if there was different leadership, things could have been different, and talks as if he has personal history with the Khan(s). E. And this is somewhat superficial, but Samuel Hayden and Seraphim share the same voice actor I believe(if not the voices are nigh identical, again superficial and may just be cause they didn't have anyone else to do it. It wouldn't be the first time one person did many voices in a game). E. Nothing is known about Hayden's early life, despite what he has told people, for all intents and purposes, he showed up, and became the head of the UAC Mars division rather fast. F. Hayden knows more about the Slayer than any other being in existence, despite maybe the Khan. If you make something, you should know all there is to know out it. G. The Seraphim stole the Father when he left Urdak, unable to be tracked, he still remains wanted. One of, if not the first thing Hayden did was "create" the AI VEGA, using rather "alien" tech. On Urdak, once VEGA is plugged into Urdak, he asks "Am I the Father, Dr. Hayden" alone with his voice changing.
This video is kinda funny seeing as Tag 1 and 2 wrapped it up.
I think the 4 armed demon is just an Argadon hunter but more intact than the one we fight
Have you all forgotten that there was a unholy war in argent d'nur?
the reason why the sentinels are depicted holding the crucible could only depict the sentinels using the demon's essence or weaponry against the forces of hell.
That was the information mentioned in the codex entries.
Makyrs are classified as demon enemies. The similarity of the Spider master man and the Khan makes me think that Makyrs are just demons who "ascended" and the process they all so fear of transformations is actually transforming their original demon body (like the big one in the pool area) into the "devine" cyborg figures they present themselves as
The hung up dead demon kinda looks like a four armed Doom hunter.
Love your vids. Realy helping me with combining all the hints together. I'm glad that UA-cam recommend your channel to me. Now onto the topic.
First the language: It can be translated, I think, because if you watch Mick Gordon's livestream about Eternal's soundtrack, he explains how they made up language for the soundtrack (don't remember well, but kar en tuk means rip and tear if I'm correct). They made up this language using demons' and other things' names (like cyberdemon could have been decymon or something like that on that language). Just like that the sentinel language can be translated, it's just we should figure out how to do that.
Second: The mastermind is similar to khan biologically, but I think it's armor looks strange too. It might be that just as khan maykr made argent energy with the help of hell, the hell might have made mastermind's armor using maykr technology. I don't know, may be just my theory.
I suspect Hayden is the seraphim who gave doomguy his powers ..
I believe the chained demon is a giant version of the "Agaddon" hunters that were made into the DOOM Hunters, as they're basically identical, just much larger and with an extra set of arms. Likely the UAC Cultists experimenting on the Agaddon corpses found in the Arctic of Earth to perfect their DOOM Hunter.
“Maykr land” lmao
When I was looking at the picture of the priest that you highlighted towards the end of the video, I thought it was an optical illusion; both an image from a distance while simultaneously being a close-up image. You can see the priest at a distance, indeed, but I thought it was also a close-up depiction of Dr. Samuel Hayden, where the longer portion of his robe is his neck, and then from his arms up is the rest of his head.
11:24 maybe it's an older design of the Sentinel Priests from Doom Eternal?
Now this is quality content
Love the videos and speculation. Got something for you to ponder though.... what if they are linking the Doom/Hexen/Quake worlds together. For example, with the Father returned... imagine if Urdak became the Strogg homeworld. I think the hell preists are throw backs to the 3 demons from Hexen. In the collectors edition lore book it even says "By the Hexen of the preists, we march". I think the Maykrs are connected with Quake 1s Shubb-Niggurath....
Hayden appeared as a man and as a maykr, I see no reason he may not have also appeared as a sentinel. It's clear he can shapeshift and his obsession with the demonic crucible leads me to believe he is the priest as well, one of the 6 lords of hell and a trickster who has been plotting a way to use the Slayer to gain the upper hand on the argenta, humans, and maykrs.
Kinda too far fetched though. I don't think you'd make an entire resistance against Hell, try to help everyone, and even sacrifice yourself for people (why he's ripped in half).
@@novakastmusic Demons are tortured in hell I don't think a crusade against humanity was ever to the benefit of imps and cacodemons. It's all in service to those dark Lords. If killing millions of demons is what you need to do to get a mortal to sign their civilization away, I absolutely see hell as prepared to do that.
about the spider mastermind and the makyr i actually been thinking this i actually posted a comment on midnights channel a while back before eternal launched about them looking pretty similar, glad someone else noticed that as well
props on this dude hitting the nail on the head saying that Samuel is the seraphin
Good video! I hope they return to more grounded, atmospheric tone of Doom 2016 in the next game. Doom Eternal fun but have very light story.
You might want to check Nekravol. That level on it's own beats the entirety of DOOM 2016 in terms of grittyness.
Bro, the level even has DOOM METAL IN IT DUDE!!!! DOOM METAL IN DOOM FINALLY!!!
Samuel definitely IS the seraph it's almost not even a theory anymore
I think the first audio was cut cause there was probably a moment on urdak were the player was going to step into a makyr machine and hayden was going to activate it to give the slayer serephin dna.
Second audio might have just been a mistake and removed by accident since it dosnt effect much.
And as for the kronos being, i think the 2016 being is the original being punished for his failures and its been so long that most of its body is gone, the creature in eternal might be an attempt by the cultists to recreate him but improved with doom hunter tech.
I remember at some point it was said the Fortress of Doom is of Mayrk design, so maybe that's how he had access to their network?
Yeah i covered that in another video. I'm just opening up other topics to see where it will lead.
"And even the slayer shall wheep in his shadows"
Thats scary to think about, an evil character who will be significantly more powerful than the already op doomslayer. And hes still yet to come
All makes sense with tag 1 and 2 releases
I think that the Priest is of sentinel origin. All the symbols are used in the history codex of sentinels but the symbol on the shoulders is the same symbol as on a picture with Doomslayer where he holds a sword and sentinels are kneeling around him (Codex - History of Sentinels part IX - there is also the chest symbol there) and that same symbol is used in the codex to group all the sentinel history codexes. Also two symbols (head and shoulders) are used in Sentinel History part III (picture) in the codex.
Deluxe Edition copies came with the promise of “two campaign mission add one to be added within the first year of the games release” so dimes to donuts that we’ll be getting back to all this
Maybe the Spider Mastermind could be the product of the damaged transfiguration the Makyr go through when close to death.
Hayden and Seraphim have the same voice actor and have nearly identical tone and intonation in their speech, so it implies they are one and the same, maybe Seraphim was shunted into a human body after his betrayal, or he assumed the original Haydens memories and body. Him possessing the original Hayden or even just being the original himself would explain why his android body is so alien, and why it looks so similar to a bipedal maykr.
I feel the fear that once took over the Titan Kronos. He had a fear of a prophesied overthrowing child and now his fear lives in me. If anyone is truly to be feared, it is definitely the Two-Tailed Fox who carries the rose with the smell of countless corpses.
I'm pretty sure that the symbol on the crucible is the Night Sentinels' symbol. The Slayer has it cause he was part of the Night Sentinels before he got put into a coma. I am also assuming you get a Crucible when you are Initiated to the Night Sentinels, remember the hilt that we used? It was the Slayer's previously. It could be that the best soldiers are the only ones that gets a sword so it makes sense why there may be so few.
you are probably putting more thought into this than the devs themselves did.
Possibly. Because I like history.
The game confirms that Samuel Hayden was previously Samur Makyr, aka The Seraphim. He had to know extensive details about his own biology and chemistry in order to transfer to the robot body. That's why he might know exactly what his former biochemical signal looked like to Makyr technology, so could easily mask Doom Guy.
With the hidden lines present and leaving VEGA in Urdak, I think one DLC could set up events after the end of Eternal. The scale of events happening on earth and the degree to which the biomass tendrils (esp. the titan size tentacles) aren't fully accounted for in Super Gore Nest. I kept expecting a super space gore nest to be shown approaching earth, or something on that scale. "For your fight...is Eternal" made me think there was something huge about to happen right after the camera zoomed out. After all, Urdak did not create hell and the original non-cyberized demons but merely made crusades there and took up shop in Nekravol, vastly speeding up the processes with Argent and the Nekravol tower. I personally want to see a huge expanded universe with different slayers guarding or fighting throught different dimensions to protect or avenge their worlds...
The chained up creature on the sort of "cross" with only upper half remaining, resembes the Aggadon Hunters in all but number of arms. The head, body, arm shape, horns and cybernetic implants are identical. The codex entries detail Aggadon Hunters as being huge, and I could see a variation in size/number of arms being common. In 2016 the Baalgar skulls found in game also showed great variation, ranging from Hell Knight to Titan scale.
Samuel is a reincarnated Samur Maykr that turned into a human
the thing in the cultust base is a doom hunter looks simmilar
About the first part, well, it's hinted heavily in the game that Samuel Hayden IS Seraphim, who upgraded Doomguy to Doom Slayer. So this isn't a big reveal, it just explains how Slayer was able to walk through Urdak, and why was he recognised as Seraphim.
I covered that topic before, I'm just looking at other ideas on how this file can be linked to it.
That skeletal figure is one of the doom hunters but perhaps as a titan
i really like that the spidermaster mind could actually be demon forms of the maykrs
Seems like hayden is also powered by wraith magic. And there maybe a 3rd doom game to film in the holes with possibly kronos revealing himself to explain more of the doom lore
@acidglow Doomguys marine suit was built by the Da’at Yichud. Look at the similarities from Wolfenstein Youngblood to Doomguys Suit.
The 4 armed creature looks like a bgger version of the Doom Hunter and that picture of the priest looks more to do with the Wraiths. Because they look like the "demons" on both sides and would also help explain the sentinel symbol.
This talk about the crucibles is starting to look like Raziel and the title that the hylden call him, "Redeemer and Destroyer" with Raziel being the champion of Vampires and Hylden. What with the demonic skin for Doomslayer on the concept art along with the Urdak skin.
The concept art for the priest resembles a Makyr Angel more than it does a demon. And the robed arms makes it look like Samur. If the "dark priest consumed by the crucible" is Samur/Samuel Hayden... That actually makes sense.
I feel like until we have a cipher key, for the knights language, we're not going to be able to dig up more lore then we already know. The temptation to make a language and not have it mean anything is to great. Look at Nintendo and the Hylian or Sheikah languages.
Fun fact: 'Telos' is a word in ancient greek, "thelos" wich translates to "end". It could be a new place where the next or ma be even last doom game. So, we may get something more of the Telos realm and we might even get a complete, uncybered version of the doom hunter.
Kronos could explain the previous lack of Doom Hunters if the RPG is to be considered canon. If Doomguy knew about the type of enemy Kronos is prior, then it would make sense for them to be ruthlessly put through genocide at Doomguy's hand because of Kronos's antics. from there, the Hell Priests managed to augment them and turn them into Doom Hunters, which also explains how Kronos couldn't withstand a BFG to the face, but these guys can.
I think the RPG games are a different timeline. They're part of the ID multiverse but they didn't happen to the Slayer.
That line about the doom slayer weeping, he was talking about the marauder, because of how he made me weep when fighting him 😅
Maybe for some players who haven't learned yet.
@@AcidGlow my response was because they made me weep with how hard they were.
AcidGlow where did you get that audio from at 10:00? i’m so confused i never heard it in game
@@azogtheeternallyunskilled9704 Look at my Crucible Prophecy video i made 1 week ago. I guess you never saw it.
Even if it is unused, the artwork for the Priest... I find the symbol on the forehead quite interesting. It kind of looks like it could be a mirrored version of the Slayer symbol with some minor edits. Just add the little bit on the top and turn the bottom line upside down...
This is honestly a lot funnier to listen to after finishing the Ancient Gods DLC
The Priest's face does appear similar to both Spider Mastermind and the Khan Maykr and Olivia Pierce was told by Hell that she would become a god. Perhaps this is referring to the Maykrs as the gods that can enter Argent d'Nur and by extension Urdak. The priest may be another entity in Urdak and thus why he bares the Sentinel mark. Also, the Khan Maykr was wearing a mask which the slayer broke that could mean the priest is not wearing his mask as well
The creature in the base looks like a subspecies of the argeddon hunters. The argeddon hunters removed from the caskets though seems to be missing the faceplate (Alteast it seems to be like it) meaning that this giant creature was modified at some point. Maybe it was the first prototype?
I kind of wrote off the massive demon as “oh it must be an Apex Doom Hunter” cause it has the same face, even the same facial cyber augmentations as the doom hunter you fight, it’s just bigger. And cultist base is right before that boss fight so it’s possible they couldn’t revive this Apex Doom Hunter itself and instead used tubes to extract its bone marrow, ripped out its guts to study how the intestines work etc so that they could make a normal doom hunter. Additionally the DH corpse you see before the boss fight is cut off at the exact same place, the only difference between the DH and Apex one being size and one extra set of arms
Slayer weeping in the shadow of some being for whatever reason.....
Sounds rrreeeaally improbable to me.
This is the kinda guy who tks on worlds alone..if he doesn't have weapons then he'll go against his opponents with his bare hands.
He'll probably be like " huh..cute " to anyone standing against him with an apocalyptic weapon.
Thats my opinion.
Video was coool by the way.
Keep it up.
The priest looks very obviously like an angel (we had one in Sentinel Prime and a few during Icon of Sin ressurrection cutscene). That's why he has the symbol, that's probably some religious symbol of the Maykr faith.
Once you connect samuel to the fortress of doom VEGA says that samuel's mechanical body uses the same tech as is own which is maykr tech
I knnow. I covered that in a previous video. I don't want to bring up the same points in every video. I'd rather bring up new information.
The spider mastermind does shockingly look similar to the khan maykr. Almost everything including the mandibles, the exposed brain, and the white armor. I would also like to add that arachnotrons were made from tissue samples of the mastermind, most likely to resemble her, conversely to the khan maykr being made from the image of all maykrs
0:52 that explains why the Mykr AI calls the Doom Slayer Seraphim
That last picture of DOom Slayer dual wielding two Crucibles... where did you get that!?? 12:41
Is it just me, or did the “demonic priest” statue kinda look like a Makyr? I mean, think about it. The exposed teeth and pattern of the horns look eerily similar to that of Makyr angels and the two winged creatures bellow it look a lot like the gargoyles dotted around sentinel cities and the fortress of doom. Just a thought.
11:20 my man, that looks to me like said Priest is Khan Maykir.. Remember her death message?.. Sounds to me like the "Seal of Urdak" being broken would be the event that would ultimately make the Slayer "weep" or w/e that prophecy said.. that's just a wild thought though.
Ohohohoho, this makes so much sense after part 1 ancient gods!