Drag racing is ALL about hooking... Hook up, practice, practice. Proper tune, proper suspension, proper tires and practice. The ST is the best fun I've had in years. Now I need to take the groceries in. Thanks, FORD, for having the best of both worlds.
I live in Jersey so I will never do the e85 thing it's way to far away for me to get to a station that has it, and I am not measuring my gas like that or riding around with Gas can's in my trunk.. To me it's like running NOS.. But to each their own.. One day I'll do a whipple with a safe tune and if I only get to 620 instead of 750 so be it.. I want my car to pass inspection too. I don't want check engine lights and could care less who's faster.. I just want to have fun.. I am so glad I learned my lessons with Tuner's on my Nissan first.. Anyway great job..
On pump gas I got around 430 hp and 490 ft/lbs on a performance tune at the wheels. Im sure if you were on a race tune you would get more, but performance is conservitive. I don't get issues with check engine lights with any of the tunes. The issue comes in with some parts being installed that throw emissions codes. Those parts are things you can stay away from.
6th mod is the best mod. I swear to God you're so right. I had a bmw 325 (E46) and the way I'd drive plus a CAI and muffler delete had 2-3 people stop me and ask what I had under the hood. Point being is you HAVE to get to know and be in sync with your car. Like it's an extension of your body.
With a good tune the cold air intake and catback can easily contribute an additional 25-30 whp. So far I only have a upr catchcan , and Cvf intercooler. I am also waiting on an S&b intake to be shipped to me. Overall build plan is , intake, Cbf downpipes, intercooler, thermal 3 in catback, and zfg 91 Oct tune. I am aiming for 430-450 whp on 91.
I had 430 whp on 93 performance tune. If you get the zfg DMS tune you should be close to that. Intakes on these vehicles without turbos don't do much. Your better off installing the downpipes and the tune.
@@SouthdownGarage yeah the intakes may not add much hp but they add some eye candy to the engine bay and alil more sound. How much room do the stock turbos have psi wise for more boost over factory?
@lucian7182 I can't disagree with you there, exhaust and intake sounds amazing. If your after sound, go with the FenFab intake, it sounds amazing. The stock turbos on pump gas will run about 20 psi of boost. On e50 tune as much as 27 psi of boost. Stock turbos have been able to handle yp to 550 wheel hp, which is pretty amazing if you ask me.
Loving your channel! I like your honesty. What tires are you running? I’ve always heard that dollar for dollar the best mod most people can make is good tires
I'm not sure about the previous years but I've got a 24, and you definitely need to add mufflers to that list! I cut one open to see what was going on in there and it is ridiculous how it is designed, I don't know how they flow anything at all with the u turns and tight clearances inside with small pipe!!
@@SouthdownGarage I put a pair of flowmaster mufflers on it, k&n air filter kit, and a canned tune from an SCT tuner. Ran 13.28 @102 last night leaving off idle with a 2.0 60 ft. I launched a 2400 got a 1.80 60 ft but ran a 13.60 at 98 🤨 I think my active grille shutter closed on me or something 🤦🏼♂️
Stock hellcats are in the 11.5 to 11.6 range. Pulley, tune, injectors mid 10's quick and simple. Go further from there. Wife has a 25 ST. I have a 23 hellcat.
Yup, and tuned on Ethanol the explorer is down to 11.6 some are doing 11.4 - 11.3 with interiors. With bigger turbo's and fuel systems these explorers are mid 10's as well. That platform has grown like crazy...can't wait to do 9's this year 😁 wait till you see what I have planned.
You will have to talk to your local Ford Dealership to find out what they will let you do. Some Dealerships will look for any reason to void Warranty, some like mine won't be so strict. Some will only void Warranty if the mod is the direct cause of failure. I'm sorry for not being able to answer your question better.
Make the Hellcat launch from idle and I bet you can win with just 3 mods! (Not joking). An idle launch for a Durango Hellcat / Trackhawk will never do better than 12.0 stock.
@@SouthdownGarage the internet is forever angry. I respect the fact that ST guys are building these.. the Durango Hellcat record recently hit the 8s in the 1/4 and starts off in the 11s. Dropping from 13s to 10s like the ST platform has is equally impressive to me. 🍻
@@SouthdownGarage I’ll be staying stock for the foreseeable future. I want to see if I can do better than 11.5 in stock form (though it’s not looking likely, I’ll keep trying 🍻)
Ford really finds a way to get a lot out of their motor's for sure.. They have impressed the hell out of me over the last 10 years.. Ford really does have A level Engineers compared to some of these other companies who just throw displacement and blower's at everything.. Ford messes up with a lot of stupid little things like their shifter's body panels LOL.. But for the most part their motors are killing it from 4 cylinders to V8's they seem to be doing more with less.. And I have never been a Ford Fanboy or anything like that.. I am 50 and I have only owned 2 Ford's.. I mostly bought Chevy's and Nissan's over the years.. My Mustang GT is the second Ford I have ever owned. I love My GT they are the Meanest and sexiest sport coupes on the road.
You only did 12.26? I'm only zfg 93 octane and cvf intercooler, everything else stock and im doin 12.2-12.3. Even without the intercooler I did those times, I just couldn't hotspot the explorer
Turns out I was having injector issues. I'm back on stock injectors on 93 and I also ran a 12.3 last night from second gear. The quickest I ran was 12.02. I'm switching to E50 tune next week.
@grimsinx no, 12.02 was on e60 tune with injectors, but I'm back to stock injectors, and will test out more later. My quickest zero to 60 on 93 was 3.99, which was close to my e60 3.88. I'm super excited that I figured out my issue
Funny thing is all the money you spend trying to beat a Hellcat will be futile if the Hellcat has the right tire setup. My redeye Challenger and Charger Hellcat both have beadlocks and launch like they are AWD. I would like to see you race one on a good tire.
All the mods in the video were ruffly about 5 or 6 grand. Still working on making it quicker with tune revisions, shooting for 11.5 on the same mods. If I got drag radials it should be quite different as well, dout it would be in RedEye territory, but way quicker then it was in the video.
@@SouthdownGarage by the way I’m not hating on your build or anyone else’s build but a Hellcat with the right setup is devastating. I definitely want to continue to follow your progress hopefully you get it down to the 10’s soon good luck bro 👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿
@The above average Joe show I never got hate from your message! Thank you for replying back! I do have plans to hit the low 10's it's going to be wild. The guy I beat in this video just upgraded to 1440 injectors, underwrite pully and a tune for 93 and e85....it's nuts now...so I have a lot of work to do. I just have to hit my goal of 11.5 first before I really get into it. I'm planning on building the first ever of two things this winter and by next summer to put this thing into the low 10's, it's going to be wild!
Check out Ken Kyle Racing, he has made it into the tens, currently the fastest ST out there. Some may get on people that spend money on mods, but that's what makes it rewarding, your not buying the fastest off the dealer lot, your making it the fastest in your garage. I own a built SHO and no matter how much ungodly amount of money that has gone into it, I will never be as fast as an ST. I've had to explain to many people that it's not always power that wins the race, if I had that 10 speed, it would be a whole different car.
@TboneSRT man, I really appreciate you Mopar guys, thank you for keeping me on my toea My rival did injectors, tune and pulley so it's going to be a wild year...I'm looking to probably get a prototype part! We'll see what happens
@SouthdownGarage I like a lot of cars! Always cool seeing what other cars can do against them. I'll be running my buddies FBO explorer ST in the spring in my 392 charger. Going to be fun 🤪 roll only though. That awd, makes the race pointless haha
@@SouthdownGarage is your rival a hellcat durango?🤔 cuz man with those mods, they normally push about 800 whp. That would be crazy if you took the win there!
I mean the st explorers and ecoboosts in general are impressive but a hell cat or track hawk has way more end potential. Not hating, I’m considering getting an st for the wife.
I'm sorry but my lincoln mks ecoboost has killed me and bite me in the ass twice with turbo failure hope dealer does repair under warranty of their repair amd replacement of turbos and if will be bye bye lincoln i don't see how 3.0 ecoboost is any better than a 3.5 ecoboost.
If your Lincoln is 2010-2012, those turbos are of a bad design, there was a redo for 2013. If you can pull them yourself, send them off to TurboBay and they will get a proper rebuild. As far as engines, the 3.5 transverse does not share any internals with the longitude 3.5 like in the F-150, I own a SHO and a 2013 F-150 3.5 and a 2016 Explorer Sport, I built my engine in my SHO because anything over 550awhp and bending a rod is inevitable. Now the 3.0 it's a whole other animal. Think of it as the 3.5 but version 2. I've seen just the 3.0 block and it's well amazing engineering overkill, no other car manufacturer has made a block like the 3.0 it also comes with stronger internals. It's cousin the 2.7 in the F-150 is the same engineering marvel. People mock me and think I'm lying when I say I've never beaten a ST when my build cost almost $20,000 and I've got 650awhp and 647awtq, but what I don't have is that 10 speed, if I did, my SHO would be a whole different car. Without it, STs will beat me all day, and the ones that have, are running 100+ less in HP and TQ.
@@scottcarr1534 Nope. All fluids changed on time and never raced. I understand blind brand loyalty but to think that a car can’t have issues is not wise.
@@lotus956 I've had 5 of them through the years... ALL of them rock solid. - The rest of my cars? All Chevy or Toyota, Honda... so don't talk to me about "blind loyalty" either state the purpose of your nonsense.. or don't... and don't go away mad, just go away if you have nothing constructive to say or do.
I just thought I’d say this but for one it’s not a Toyota and for two Toyotas don’t require much maintenance all cars are different 😂 you can drive a Toyota without doing much maintaince cause they are Japanese.
@Martinfryer8707 - Careful because I see kuk stamped on your forehead... He's honest and learning, you mad bro? Maybe a bit jealous? Yeah... You're mad, definitely hating to hate. Trolls 🧌 abound...
@@SouthdownGarage yeah i dumped time and money into it. It will never be as quick as my 1992 gt runs 10.27. but the edge is a blast to drive either way. Been wondering if the 27 would benefit from polished and ported heads and Port matched intake runners. What not want to go to a boneyard see if I can't get my hands on a head off of a bad motor and have a look at it. See what I can come up with or maybe just buy a bad motor. Tear it apart and do some investigating
Beating a Hellcat is nice and all but Hector is on his way with 3 Honda Civics with SPOON ENGINES!!!
Let's go! Tell Hector I'm ready!
Overnighted from japan😂
@@peacockgarage Southdown you think you could beat an sq7?
😂😂😂
..Toretto, not Hector...too soon Junior..
Drag racing is ALL about hooking...
Hook up, practice, practice.
Proper tune, proper suspension, proper tires and practice.
The ST is the best fun I've had in years.
Now I need to take the groceries in.
Thanks, FORD, for having the best of both worlds.
No dout hey?
Can't wait to hit the track this year. We're into the mid 11's right now.
Like you said, its lots of practice.
Explorer ST is very underrated
Yes they are!
I just placed my order for these mods. Can't wait to beat some hellcats.
Hell yeah!
I live in Jersey so I will never do the e85 thing it's way to far away for me to get to a station that has it, and I am not measuring my gas like that or riding around with Gas can's in my trunk.. To me it's like running NOS.. But to each their own.. One day I'll do a whipple with a safe tune and if I only get to 620 instead of 750 so be it.. I want my car to pass inspection too. I don't want check engine lights and could care less who's faster.. I just want to have fun.. I am so glad I learned my lessons with Tuner's on my Nissan first.. Anyway great job..
On pump gas I got around 430 hp and 490 ft/lbs on a performance tune at the wheels.
Im sure if you were on a race tune you would get more, but performance is conservitive.
I don't get issues with check engine lights with any of the tunes. The issue comes in with some parts being installed that throw emissions codes. Those parts are things you can stay away from.
6th mod is the best mod. I swear to God you're so right. I had a bmw 325 (E46) and the way I'd drive plus a CAI and muffler delete had 2-3 people stop me and ask what I had under the hood.
Point being is you HAVE to get to know and be in sync with your car. Like it's an extension of your body.
100% agree! It takes time to learn.
When I figure out the driving, this thing is going to be fire!
With a good tune the cold air intake and catback can easily contribute an additional 25-30 whp.
So far I only have a upr catchcan , and Cvf intercooler. I am also waiting on an S&b intake to be shipped to me. Overall build plan is , intake, Cbf downpipes, intercooler, thermal 3 in catback, and zfg 91 Oct tune. I am aiming for 430-450 whp on 91.
I had 430 whp on 93 performance tune.
If you get the zfg DMS tune you should be close to that.
Intakes on these vehicles without turbos don't do much. Your better off installing the downpipes and the tune.
@@SouthdownGarage yeah the intakes may not add much hp but they add some eye candy to the engine bay and alil more sound. How much room do the stock turbos have psi wise for more boost over factory?
@lucian7182 I can't disagree with you there, exhaust and intake sounds amazing. If your after sound, go with the FenFab intake, it sounds amazing.
The stock turbos on pump gas will run about 20 psi of boost. On e50 tune as much as 27 psi of boost.
Stock turbos have been able to handle yp to 550 wheel hp, which is pretty amazing if you ask me.
Loving your channel! I like your honesty. What tires are you running? I’ve always heard that dollar for dollar the best mod most people can make is good tires
I have pretty decent tires. NITTO NT420V 275/45R22.
I wish I had smaller more sticky tires! Like the NITTO NT550's.
Beaten a H-Cat Durango/ H-Cat Charger...with ease in my Explorer ST...don't sleep on us because we get busy...😎💪
Don’t forget the t66 turbos with nos and the motec system exhaust
Very informative buddy. What about charge pipes? are they worth the cost and possible headaches?
No, charge pipes, intake and exhaust are not worth it.
@@SouthdownGarage Ok I've asked this before but what about a 100 shot of NOS??? As long as you have the tune for it???
@Randy Johnson I haven't seen anyone actually run it yet...there are some things that it's worth being the first to do, I'm not sure NOS is that lol!
Great video Ford powered forever baby keep on pulling the knot out of them boties and the horns off them mopars l love it
I'm not sure about the previous years but I've got a 24, and you definitely need to add mufflers to that list! I cut one open to see what was going on in there and it is ridiculous how it is designed, I don't know how they flow anything at all with the u turns and tight clearances inside with small pipe!!
Thermal is the way to go! Send me an email and I can get your 24 sounding great. Sales@shopsouthdowngarage.ca
@@SouthdownGarage I put a pair of flowmaster mufflers on it, k&n air filter kit, and a canned tune from an SCT tuner. Ran 13.28 @102 last night leaving off idle with a 2.0 60 ft. I launched a 2400 got a 1.80 60 ft but ran a 13.60 at 98 🤨 I think my active grille shutter closed on me or something 🤦🏼♂️
Stock hellcats are in the 11.5 to 11.6 range. Pulley, tune, injectors mid 10's quick and simple. Go further from there. Wife has a 25 ST. I have a 23 hellcat.
Yup, and tuned on Ethanol the explorer is down to 11.6 some are doing 11.4 - 11.3 with interiors.
With bigger turbo's and fuel systems these explorers are mid 10's as well.
That platform has grown like crazy...can't wait to do 9's this year 😁 wait till you see what I have planned.
Will any of these upgrades void the ford warranty?
You will have to talk to your local Ford Dealership to find out what they will let you do.
Some Dealerships will look for any reason to void Warranty, some like mine won't be so strict. Some will only void Warranty if the mod is the direct cause of failure.
I'm sorry for not being able to answer your question better.
Awesome thanks 😊
Your welcome!
Is it a Turbo 6 cylinder or is it The 2.3L 4 Banger turbo????
The ST only comes with the 3.0L. Its not and ST line...but I guess that's possible.
3.0L twin turbo V6 Ecoboost
Make the Hellcat launch from idle and I bet you can win with just 3 mods! (Not joking). An idle launch for a Durango Hellcat / Trackhawk will never do better than 12.0 stock.
I love it!
Thanks for the tip! Would that ever piss off the internet lol!
@@SouthdownGarage the internet is forever angry. I respect the fact that ST guys are building these.. the Durango Hellcat record recently hit the 8s in the 1/4 and starts off in the 11s. Dropping from 13s to 10s like the ST platform has is equally impressive to me. 🍻
@@S8ER I'm planning on hitting 10's either this summer or next....dropping another tune on this week to give me some more sauce!
@@SouthdownGarage I’ll be staying stock for the foreseeable future. I want to see if I can do better than 11.5 in stock form (though it’s not looking likely, I’ll keep trying 🍻)
@S8ER01Z my rivals in his Durango best was 11.7! That's still blistering fast!
Ford really finds a way to get a lot out of their motor's for sure.. They have impressed the hell out of me over the last 10 years.. Ford really does have A level Engineers compared to some of these other companies who just throw displacement and blower's at everything.. Ford messes up with a lot of stupid little things like their shifter's body panels LOL.. But for the most part their motors are killing it from 4 cylinders to V8's they seem to be doing more with less.. And I have never been a Ford Fanboy or anything like that.. I am 50 and I have only owned 2 Ford's.. I mostly bought Chevy's and Nissan's over the years.. My Mustang GT is the second Ford I have ever owned. I love My GT they are the Meanest and sexiest sport coupes on the road.
Yeah they do...watch what happens this year on stock turbos
You only did 12.26?
I'm only zfg 93 octane and cvf intercooler, everything else stock and im doin 12.2-12.3.
Even without the intercooler I did those times, I just couldn't hotspot the explorer
Turns out I was having injector issues. I'm back on stock injectors on 93 and I also ran a 12.3 last night from second gear.
The quickest I ran was 12.02. I'm switching to E50 tune next week.
@@SouthdownGarage ah makes sense
So that 12.02 was on 93 tune? No e30?
@grimsinx no, 12.02 was on e60 tune with injectors, but I'm back to stock injectors, and will test out more later.
My quickest zero to 60 on 93 was 3.99, which was close to my e60 3.88.
I'm super excited that I figured out my issue
Just bought a 23. Is the tune worth it without the intercooler?? Or should I wait until I can do Both.
@@jaysen0000 it's good for a pull or 2, after that your oem intercooler will be heat soaked
“I can’t tell you how to do that yet because …… I’m struggling”. Honesty!
Funny thing is all the money you spend trying to beat a Hellcat will be futile if the Hellcat has the right tire setup. My redeye Challenger and Charger Hellcat both have beadlocks and launch like they are AWD. I would like to see you race one on a good tire.
All the mods in the video were ruffly about 5 or 6 grand.
Still working on making it quicker with tune revisions, shooting for 11.5 on the same mods.
If I got drag radials it should be quite different as well, dout it would be in RedEye territory, but way quicker then it was in the video.
@@SouthdownGarage by the way I’m not hating on your build or anyone else’s build but a Hellcat with the right setup is devastating. I definitely want to continue to follow your progress hopefully you get it down to the 10’s soon good luck bro 👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿
@The above average Joe show I never got hate from your message!
Thank you for replying back! I do have plans to hit the low 10's it's going to be wild.
The guy I beat in this video just upgraded to 1440 injectors, underwrite pully and a tune for 93 and e85....it's nuts now...so I have a lot of work to do.
I just have to hit my goal of 11.5 first before I really get into it.
I'm planning on building the first ever of two things this winter and by next summer to put this thing into the low 10's, it's going to be wild!
Check out Ken Kyle Racing, he has made it into the tens, currently the fastest ST out there. Some may get on people that spend money on mods, but that's what makes it rewarding, your not buying the fastest off the dealer lot, your making it the fastest in your garage. I own a built SHO and no matter how much ungodly amount of money that has gone into it, I will never be as fast as an ST. I've had to explain to many people that it's not always power that wins the race, if I had that 10 speed, it would be a whole different car.
Super helpful.
What do you do when the hellcat has 2 mods? Pulley and tune?
You'll find out this season lol!
@SouthdownGarage heck yeah!
@TboneSRT man, I really appreciate you Mopar guys, thank you for keeping me on my toea
My rival did injectors, tune and pulley so it's going to be a wild year...I'm looking to probably get a prototype part! We'll see what happens
@SouthdownGarage I like a lot of cars! Always cool seeing what other cars can do against them. I'll be running my buddies FBO explorer ST in the spring in my 392 charger. Going to be fun 🤪 roll only though. That awd, makes the race pointless haha
@@SouthdownGarage is your rival a hellcat durango?🤔 cuz man with those mods, they normally push about 800 whp. That would be crazy if you took the win there!
I mean the st explorers and ecoboosts in general are impressive but a hell cat or track hawk has way more end potential. Not hating, I’m considering getting an st for the wife.
I'm waiting to see this beat a haircut
It will be at mission Raceway next Friday night. Bring your haircut and let's see! 🤣
I am all for STs but bro he bungled that launch do another one
Tune this and tune that. Still ain’t beating no Hellcat Durango. 😂
Plenty of videos says otherwise.
@@RealFunFuneral976 Where? All I saw was one that had a very awful driver in it.
@@car_enthusiast1992And I'm pretty sure that driver was actually you
@@aj.974. That on the track is an SRT 392 Durango, it’s not a Hellcat Durango. Please don’t offend the Hellcat Durango like that.
Now what happens when said hellcat puts a pulley and an e85 tune?
You'll have to wait to see what the next mods are!
Those trackhawks are not that fast to begin with an st with a tune will gap any trackhawk out there
So true...for half the price.
Until you meet a 1000+ whp truck with a pulley upgrade
I'm sorry but my lincoln mks ecoboost has killed me and bite me in the ass twice with turbo failure hope dealer does repair under warranty of their repair amd replacement of turbos and if will be bye bye lincoln i don't see how 3.0 ecoboost is any better than a 3.5 ecoboost.
Sorry to hear that.
3.5 is the engine out of the Raptor, I'm fairly certain they are built a little heavier. I know they can handle a lot of power.
If your Lincoln is 2010-2012, those turbos are of a bad design, there was a redo for 2013. If you can pull them yourself, send them off to TurboBay and they will get a proper rebuild. As far as engines, the 3.5 transverse does not share any internals with the longitude 3.5 like in the F-150, I own a SHO and a 2013 F-150 3.5 and a 2016 Explorer Sport, I built my engine in my SHO because anything over 550awhp and bending a rod is inevitable. Now the 3.0 it's a whole other animal. Think of it as the 3.5 but version 2. I've seen just the 3.0 block and it's well amazing engineering overkill, no other car manufacturer has made a block like the 3.0 it also comes with stronger internals. It's cousin the 2.7 in the F-150 is the same engineering marvel. People mock me and think I'm lying when I say I've never beaten a ST when my build cost almost $20,000 and I've got 650awhp and 647awtq, but what I don't have is that 10 speed, if I did, my SHO would be a whole different car. Without it, STs will beat me all day, and the ones that have, are running 100+ less in HP and TQ.
Those square tail pipe tips look hideous no offense. But u should really change those.
🤣
Point is you need alot of mods just to beat a stock cat so nothing special
Not true. I will be making a revision of this video, because you can beat Hellcats with less.
You mean beat stock hellcats? Lolololol 😂
For now!
Even if the hellcat is stock, it's still embarrassing to have a SUV gap em.
Yes, and your point? He spent about 20 to 40 grand less, too.
So if he puts more dollars in, he's STILL way ahead.
@@seacradev5400Wait is the Hellcat not an SUV?
@@lotus956 Left out Ford in front of SUV. I saw the video before I commented, nice try though.
Any and I mean ANYONE that says "I got mods on my car" should just sit home and play gran Turismo
What?
Meh. ST is junk. Mine has been in the shop 3 times already and only has 25k. Going to trade it in for a Toyota.
Sounds like misuse or neglect, not to mention a personal problem...
😆
@@scottcarr1534 Nope. All fluids changed on time and never raced. I understand blind brand loyalty but to think that a car can’t have issues is not wise.
What are the issues you have?
@@lotus956 I've had 5 of them through the years... ALL of them rock solid. - The rest of my cars? All Chevy or Toyota, Honda... so don't talk to me about "blind loyalty" either state the purpose of your nonsense.. or don't... and don't go away mad, just go away if you have nothing constructive to say or do.
I just thought I’d say this but for one it’s not a Toyota and for two Toyotas don’t require much maintenance all cars are different 😂 you can drive a Toyota without doing much maintaince cause they are Japanese.
This dudes kind of a kuk
@Martinfryer8707 - Careful because I see kuk stamped on your forehead...
He's honest and learning, you mad bro? Maybe a bit jealous?
Yeah... You're mad, definitely hating to hate.
Trolls 🧌 abound...
I live in California. I want to do downpipe. Will it pass smog with hi flow cats?
I will call my supplier for you on Monday.
Please email me southdowngarageinc@gmail.com
im trapping 12.7 on my 18 edge sport
Thats pretty quick
@@SouthdownGarage yeah i dumped time and money into it. It will never be as quick as my 1992 gt runs 10.27. but the edge is a blast to drive either way. Been wondering if the 27 would benefit from polished and ported heads and Port matched intake runners. What not want to go to a boneyard see if I can't get my hands on a head off of a bad motor and have a look at it. See what I can come up with or maybe just buy a bad motor. Tear it apart and do some investigating
@@SouthdownGarage by the way, we build that motor here in the city the 27 and 30