AR-15 Furniture with Navy SEALs "Coch" and Dorr
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Retired Navy SEALs "Coch" and Dorr talk about all things dealing with AR-15 furniture.
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as a citizen of england,uk, where somebody caught with a couple of bullets is national headline news may i just say "oh god my levels of unashamed envy towards you firearm enabled americans is beyond high.. :-).. g'bless you all" .. a respectful hello and best wishes from manchester uk.. p
You guys let the system put a leash on you, its alk your fault! You voted for this crap
It is very nice. Come on over sometime;)
I hear there's an immigration pipeline to America Through Mexico. Just get a tan first if that's your plan.
You should petition your government... Oops I forgot they don't exactly allow that either over there. You welcome to come over here just don't bring those 🐂 💩 politics with you. We trying to keep America free over here.
As others have said, we’d love to have you! GA is a great state.
Not many places on youtube you can hear someone say "I was the guy who bought these for your machine gun" to a younger veteran.
Very informative video, thanks.
I really like the history and the experience behind your choices. Would love to see more like this.
They have a bunch of videos with this sort of content you should check back through their feed
Hey navy dudes, thanks for all this good content from an old grunt.
11H here 1990-2000
What about foregrip with the bipod that snapped down from it? Didn’t see that shown
I used it on the Scars. Now I just use it to sight in rifles.
It shipped with the SCARs we got issued, but they weren't really used
Those LMT stocks were all over the place my second tour. Kept the standard OEM M4 stock for many reasons.
Also drifted the roll pins from the front sling swivel and used a 203 sight block sling clip. Ounces equals pounds.
Man, what a great thing it is that we get to watch guys like this talk about this stuff. Coch seems like such a humble and nice guy and Dorr brings a lot to the table every time as well. Thank you, gents.
Hey guys these are always my favorite type of videos. Just talking about the gear. Purchased my first rifle and am using tips to build it. So far have the Daniel Defense M4A1 with DD Vertical foregrip and just basic Magpul back up irons waiting to get SIG Romeo 5 sight and also a sling have watched your sling videos which helped out.
Light light light 🙌 🙌 🙌
@@squignnewg120 Oh yes that is another one I need haha trying to decide on light setup haha so many options out there. Thinking something Surefire
Don't get too stuck on the Kentucky go fasters. You won't know you screwed up until you have to carry that rifle at the ready for any amount of time. Ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain. Keep your tech mission specific. Don't need the peq if you don't have the nvg to go with it but seems like you're doing fine so far
Awesome video. Not being an operator, I never understood the purpose of the foregrip. But after Dorr explained it's uses in CQ fighting to retain your weapon, I can now see the usefulness of it. I've never found them to be comfortable to shoot with. But I now see it's usefulness. So, thank you.
I use a modified c-clamp with my vertical foregrip in order to pull the rifle tight into my shoulder only about a third to half of my hand is actually on the vertical foregrip
It's not to retain or strike its literally a grip
@@TP-ts4bm BCM mod 3 is my favorite. I use that same grip style
Great conversation 👌 Really appreciate your insight and sharing of experience 👍
How dare you call out air-soft operators and their Tier1 equipment. They will handle you after mom nukes their mac and cheese.
Great history on the progression of America's rifle.
The comment was directed at the poor craftsmanship of some of the replica weapon parts they use. The textile gear in airsoft is actually pretty good though.
Coch: Why did you not talk about the Colt Delta HBAR clone that you had on the table? Inquiring minds would like to know! It did not have the Colt Delta HBAR rear stock...there was also no bipod on it....the 3-9 x 40 rubberized scope looked the same. The Colta Delta HBAR was the finest example of a Colt AR-15 ever made!
Coch is the only person I trust with information not like people now that depend on technology or attachments hope to see more from him
Thanks for the walk down memory lane.
Crazy how things have evolved.
Love y’all’s content
I put quad rails, slings, Hogue grips w/ beaver tail, and optics alongside iron sights on all my AR platforms. Thanks for the interesting video.
coch got that boss ross swagger relax way of talking
REAL
Hated the A2 stuff, still not sold on the rail stuff, my newest is an xm177e2.
I am all aboard with carbon fiber on my ARs. All aboard.
C’mon everyone knows the “battery storage” on the LMT stock is for snacks like Slim Jims and Skittles! 😉👍
Great vid, thsnks! I think the free float m-lok rails are one of the biggest advancements. So sturdy, so versatile, better accuracy.
They look terrible to me 😂
My takeaway from this wasn’t the evolution of furniture but rather the importance of a fore grip. Many view it as a piece relegated to the dustbin of irrelevance, when in fact it was and still is a vital component of leverage. When professional operators speak on real world applicability of a piece... I listen.
Nice would love a breakdown of the optic evolution you guys used...
I was just an early 2010's mortar grunt (infantryman that can do math). I love listening to you boys, especially on the gwot and earlier stuff.
I have really big hands and smaller grips are always a pain for me, especially when having to bend my trigger finger so much to actuate the the bang switch. It seems like everything else, I've come full circle on. Somethings that I've outgrown, I've learned to love again, especially quad rails.
No GPS grip pod? Lol that thing is gimmicky but I like it
You mentioned that other nations would buy the A2 front handguard and keep using their A1 rifles with A2 front handguards. Well, Paul Harrell, notable guntuber, typically uses a Colt AR-15 A1 as his demonstration rifle, and his front handguard broke, so he replaced it with an A2 handguard as well.
Im more of a Quad rail & broom handle kind of guy 😂
Hera Arms foregrip makes a cameo there at the end! Quality German manufacturer who’s design aesthetic is clearly European ’. Not the usual stuff
Great video fellas. Always great to learn the origin story of the gear we kinda take for granted nowadays!
I went through basic and ait training at Knox as a Cav Scout we had M-16 A1's. My weapon was a tired old dog probably Vietnam era weapon, but was still accurate. Only A 2's we had were M203's and for some reason no one liked the 3 round burst. Our TA-50 then is now prehistoric.
I went through Basic at Leonardwood in 93. We used A1's in basic. When I got to the 82nd we had A2's. I think it was like 96ish we started getting the M4. I ETS'd in 99 so I didnt see any of the cool stuff. We just had straight from the factory M4s.
Secret snack storage wins wars.
Once you know what you like you can just stick with it. I like the bare bones magpul stock, a magpul K2 pistol grip, and the BCM gunfighter vert grip. All my work and play guns pretty much get that setup.
All my furniture is made out of Sculpey. It works, and it looks super cool since I added the googly eyes.
You two are my preferred content providers. keep the info coming.
Coch and Dorr : I Myself, John Rodriguez, have the rare honor and privilege , Thank GOD ( Father, Son, Holy Spirit) , that , I was able to Enlist and Serve as a Marine Corps Field Radio Operator and Army Food Services Specialist ( 1987-1998, with 1 Year and 4 Months in the Army National Guard ( ARNG) and US Army Reserve ( USAR ) ) , and,also, to have fired the M16A2 Service Rifle and M4 Carbine. I only got to FAMFIRE ( Familiarization Firing) the M249 SAW, H&K MP-5 SD(3) SMG, M60 GPMG, M203 GL . I Myself do Miss My Military Service. Thanks, Coch and Dorr!!
Good stuff guys! I always enjoy a walk down history lane and seeing the evolution of gear. 👍
Do a review on Piston driven ar’s such as PWS and HK and LWRC. Also do a review on ar magazines and red dot optic brands and types.
You don't mention that the -A1 triangular handguards were designed to fit any hand by sliding up or down to find the "sweet spot". They did chip easily, but were sturdy enough from a functional standpoint. We would tape them up to prevent rattling and they did make noise it you slapped it against a branch, for example, but I prefer them on the whole.
VOLTOR makes a buttstock a full inch shorter than std....LWRC makes an even shorter buttstock (than VOLTOR) AND a shorter than their compact one. However the last one has its own proprietary buffer tube
I actually found and bought a handgrip/bipod for my AR15 7.62x39. Pretty handy if are going prone to shoot.
Colt XM177E2 , Colt 723 , Colt 727 and Diemaco C8 are my absolute favorite Fixed Carry Handle Carbines . I own all of them now . Had to build out XM177E2 with Brownells Receiver and rest is all Colt .
USN was the only ones that adopted M16A3 . That contract was awarded to FNMI . Those A3s are hard to track down these days .
M16E1 and M16A1 I believe used Zytel for the Handguard but could be wrong..
I picked up KAC RIS in 2002 and didnt get the RAS until 2006. RIS did not have the set screw and the RAS did..
LMT SOPMOD and VLTOR Stocks , LMT Rear or ARMS Rear sights is what they used early GWOT for their M4A1 Carbines . The M4A1 SOCOM Profile came out in 2003ish . Young lady at CRANE created the drawing to Colt . Colt had absolutely nothing to do with SOCOM Profile and Colt also had nothing to do with MK18 . LMT and Crane are godfathers of the MK18 Barrel . Colt did have the SOUL SOURCE M4 Family Contract for US DOD from 2001 to 2013..
DD Won SOCOM Contract in 2006 for their RIS Rails..
KAC NT4 was one of the first bomb Proof Cans . NSW and CAG used them the absolute most of their MK18s back in the day . I do not know if NT4 was for sure used on 416s when theh first got introduced but I assume they were because SF SOCOM RC hadn't been adopted yet..
LMT ENHANCED BCG/BOLT came out also in 2004ish time period . SOCOM wanted to adopted it because it was superior and also Colt was having QC Issues . It was not adopted because LMT ENHANCED would not cycle reliably in Rifle length gas system . LMT ENHANCED BCG/BOLT was designed for Car Length gas system . Adding that 3rd vent hole was paramount . Their ENHANCED Bolt are virtually indestructible. I can't remeber if it was Crane or CAG but they did 36K round test on one and gave up because they couldn't BRAKE it ..
Dream Optic is NF 2.5-10×24 that NSW used MK12 MOD 1 SPRs. I have Centurion MK12 MOD 1 SPR URG and I want that optic so bad to have an accurate Clone Upper . I do need to build out NSW RECCE Rifle . I have the Douglas Barrel and Reciever . Just need the RAIL and Optic..
I could go on for hours talking about US MIL Small Arms and Accessories. I'm for sure a geek when it comes to Mil Small Arms and accessories. .
Phenomenal video bros
Thanks guys, excellent history lesson and I mean in a respectful way! Would like to hear about personal training that you both do. Thanks again, Love your channel!!!
Thank god Colt dismissed C. Reed Knight's invention.
This snubbing by Colt, motivated him to manufacture the RIS himself.
This got it into the hands of the military MUCH faster because he (the inventor) made the case for it's application/use, instead of a bunch of people, that sat on a board, and didnt understand it's application. ( IMO )
Also, this huge win gave him the capitol to invent the RAS.
Where would we be today without RIS and RAS?
I hear it so often--"What works for you." But hearing these seasoned pros say there are only some things, like the buttstock, which really matter by choice, is so refreshing. So may other quasi pros imply or state you have to only go with the Big $ tacticool stuff.
Well--no.
Dave and Dutch have shown the same thing. I LOVE that Dave says using the M4 grip and buttstock are not only OK, but his PREFERENCE.
Way to go, all of you!
I remember seeing a picture floating around on the internet of a GWOT-era SEAL. His M4 had an ACOG, but his side rail had an Eotech 512 on the 9 o' clock side rail. I don't know what he was thinking with that idea.
Prerry sure the reason why the consumer market blew up on the mid 00s is because the “assault weapons” ban was allowed to lapse. ( because it didn’t do anything to crime) I was excited because I could finally get magazines for more than 10 rounds for my Glock 19
CORK BOTTLE !!!? Whiskey?, Wine?
You bastards!!
very interesting stuff learned a lot of history on the AR type rifles. in Calif some of this stuff is ILLEGAL, I have 2 AR's Ruger and Windham Weaponry
both had to be registered. They have the bullet button to remove the mag, they outlawed that evil thing a few years ago. There still trying to
outlaw them completely an endless legal battle.
Awesome chat session guys could watch you guys for hours. 🇺🇸
I hate the word evolution because of the disproven, disrespectful, ignorant, theory that is attached to it...but I'm glad humans with thinking, logical, intelligent minds created different designs to improve those weapons... if indeed they were improved LOL
Theyre gear and accessories remind me of the mid 2000s when I didnt know anything about equipment..... alot of this gear is garbage
Thanks for your expert knowledge and easy going presentation. I was in the Army once, but I’ve already learned a lot from listening. It feels like you’re talking to a neighbor in the back yard.
Hi guys! Bought a used AR and going through it with a fine tooth comb, to say the least it’s been abused. Changed barrel never been cleaned to say the least. Just want to say love your content I’ve learned a lot. My new barrel has a 1/7 spin, what’s a good round I should use at the range? Thanks
My brother and I joke that the doored compartment in the Magpul stock is for a rape whistle... LOL He actually keeps a bore snake in his.
new to most things "tactical"...found this very interesting.
Other than LARPING, if you don't have night vision, you do not need a PEQ
Another great informative video, it reminds of the great we were issued in the early 2000. Of the the Corps is last to adopt formidable gear.
Man i dont like the new youngh guy Dorr, i dont know who he is, but i dont like how he presents this parts, let Coch do it 🤦
He has more organized and well presented flow
So I just seen a comment on another channel, am I not allowed to have a vertical grip on my carbine anymore? I would hate to get introuble seeing the punishments would mean probably I would not be allowed to have a firearm ever again. Wtf county is this again?
SpecOps or just plain ol' blue water squids, nothing is sailor proof. Interesting history and useful purpose lesson.
Thanks for the video you did a good job about that airsoft stuff you got to be careful because sometimes they're selling that stuff discounted price you think it will fit on your real rifle and it won't it's just cheap garbage
Hi guys I hated the 16 it was a pice of s--!! But all you are doing great jobs “NamVet
I’m glad I’m not the only pack rat when it comes to Gun parts and all of my kits over the years!!!!!
Little compartment for… maybe, a picture of your sweetheart… or, skittles. 😆
A nother really really good video ! Thanks for that =) . Very nice
Great video, thanks guys
Thanks guys for the tips, tricks, and showing the evolution of gear.
Biden sais hes coming for your pistol braces boys 🤣🤣🤣
Wish they'd capture that spy balloon in Montana, instead. I swear this country seems compromised from the top down.
My AR has an A2 handguard that i had to install picatinny rails on it to install my hand grip/bipod.
God seeing those parade slings takes me. Back to basic traing in Paris Island
The bipod is a push button release then when finished press back up into the handle and it locks in.
Love your videos. But your wood ar is not suitable to save your life any better than the a1 furniture. Just sayin
Nice to see guys defending the verticle for grip instead of this fad c clamp nonsense fashion.
How did you leave out pick rail that's what I started with 2008 or so
Thanks for showing your toys and explaining it.
Great video guys! Hoping you can do a video about the evolution of uniforms/gear while ya’ll were in the Teams
We have a whole bunch of these types of videos. Thx
I'm completely in on the furniture of these guns. Timber Creek from Oregon has some cool stuff. The carbon handguard I have 3 of and will be getting a 4th in green. Also the coolest scope covers I have are from Vector Optics Continental series made from aluminum. As for striker fire triggers! Try a Timney trigger. Your life behind this trigger will change your life.
Make that 4. I just got a gray one in for another build in gray. So 2 black and one in burnt bronze.
Expect better gear from tier 1 operators, this stuff is take off garbage
Thats awesome being able to see what was actually used and the history of that stuff.
Ruger Sfar, tried it? About bipods.
The M16A1 is what I carried while in the Army 1972-75, 82nd Airborne, along with a S&W 38 special, and at times a Colt 1911.
I am old school I guess, I just prefer quad rails over M-lock. All my rifles have either Knights or Daniel Defense rails. I have CQD sling attachments on most of them also. I bought a couple of the CQD vertical grips several years ago, they are in the safe now becoming collectors items lol, I use either the Knights or Tango down grips. Good stuff guys! I enjoy all your videos!!
The amount of chopped M-16esque builds we had while is in RTASWC LRRP company. In house CQC mods even SPR's never failed ugly as hell.
God Bless America🙏
A close friend was in Vietnam told me thr furniture was made by Mattel so they called it the Barbie rifle. Lol Cheers
They called it that because of how the gun was plastic. Mattel never had a hand in it. It is a common myth.
I have all the best furniture… on my MP 15 lol You guys are the real Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone love hearing anything you guys have to talk about and I LOVE THE 2nd Amendment 🇺🇸 !!!!! 🖕 💪🏻 💣
In the early and mid 2000’s the VLTOR Mod Stock and the A.R.M.S. inc. S.I.R. rail system were the cat’s meow and the A.R.M.S. #40 BUIS was really the only game in town for flip up rear sites.
Hey so Chris Saignog (navy seal shooting instructor) claims foregrips are the WORST invention in the history of guns, and advocated the locked arm with thumb over barrel. He claims grips make you extremely inaccurate and makes it harder to stop on a target when transitioning. I need to know your guys thoughts? Is it a preference thing or what now I’m confused
During Desert Shield/Desert Storm, I’ve seen Army Reserve guys shown up with M16A1 rifles retrofitted with A2 hand guards.
Thank you. Awesome video
heat resistant zipties are now available lmao
Some of the countries who "just switched out the handguards" included the U.S. I was in the Air Force during the first Gulf War, still rockin' the M-16 and even some 601's believe it or not. If you deployed at the time the armorers would switch out your handguards so it would look like we were using "the newest and most modern equipment"...... Nothing but the best......right...
Great Intel 👍 just a regular sailor did a little work with the USMC AKA DOC. Most of the time less shooting more clean of weapons in the 90s .
I'm surprised the grip pod didn't make it. Back around 05-06 it was cool. They kinda suck at everything, but it was very popular for a hot minute.
There is no "best practices" info on this topic like actual, professional gun fighters. I'd take their word over a thousand gun tubers whose only valid claim is number of rounds fired on ranges at static targets that don't fire back.
Again, nother great vid! History of form over function. Way back, i had a full size Colt A2 and a Russian marked AK. That being said, still not sure all this modern sh*t is THAT great. Yeah, i love my aim points and lazers and all that, but when it comes to sheeer simplicity...i can still hit a target in the dark with an dive grade everready and iron sights with near 100 percent accuracy. The truth: there is seldom a place so dark, that point shooting and a basic light source cant get you through. (not that im a crack shot. just train) But as a gear guy, who loves shinies, im am sure someone has retired off of me.
That rifle with the wood.. sweeeeeeeeeet brother 😉
Hory Sheet, Coch with no cover???????
Cool. Love the wood. Your right, I have a box of spare shit, lol... I change stuff out, back and forth. Really like the sopmod stock cheek weld. ASR has a bad ass aluminum stock I want to try. Fixed and folding. Reminds me a a AK folding stock. You make great videos. I still want to paint my commando like you showed us how to. Darker on top, lighter shade on bottom I believe.
Somebody tell Dorr it's going to be ok.
What's amazing is the exponential growth of available products and parts (let alone how many companies make AR pattern rifles) with the end of the assault weapons ban and start of the GWOT.