Eugene Stoner and Mikhail Kalashnikov - Part 1 - Discussing the AR-15

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  • Опубліковано 21 сер 2021
  • This video is part of a series created from footage of Eugene Stoner and Mikhail Kalashnikov meeting in Virginia in 1990. All the footage is courtesy of the Smithsonian Institution Archives. All I have done is cut some of the waiting time between tapes out and tried to fix the audio. Otherwise, what you are seeing is entirely unadulterated.
    Feel free to ask any questions about the various topics of the video in the comments. I will do my best to answer them.
    All footage is used with permission from the Smithsonian Institution Archives.
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  • @GarandGuy2553
    @GarandGuy2553 2 роки тому +561

    ua-cam.com/video/ct8grNPfImo/v-deo.html
    A little more about their trip.

  • @trainknut
    @trainknut 2 роки тому +7045

    Most AR vs AK debates: _screaming, swearing, name calling_
    Eugene Stoner: "I like your gun"
    Mikhail Kalashnikov: "thanks, I also like your gun"

    • @KH-rt3ef
      @KH-rt3ef 2 роки тому +232

      It’s not a competition, it’s which tool is more appropriate under which circumstances.

    • @markdahlia9543
      @markdahlia9543 2 роки тому +184

      “When someone makes something better then our designs we will shake there hand”

    • @sneedmando186
      @sneedmando186 2 роки тому +41

      *Based*

    • @madcrowlad3635
      @madcrowlad3635 2 роки тому +105

      Two world renowned famed and skilled master smiths or engineers howver the case may be. I would have honestly loved to see what a rifle they both collaborated on would have been.

    • @CuongNguyen-eg1pu
      @CuongNguyen-eg1pu 2 роки тому +63

      Because real recognize real, both are marvellous piece of engineering, famous by their distinct and effective design, both of them has made history in military technology

  • @davidray2682
    @davidray2682 2 роки тому +8482

    These two discussing their own guns more civil than any AR vs AK debate I've ever seen

  • @roadhouse6999
    @roadhouse6999 2 роки тому +6129

    This is like when your Grandpa from your mom's side of the family meets your Grandpa from your dad's side of the family.

    • @fregyt
      @fregyt 2 роки тому +321

      Wholesome Kalashnikov and stoner family meet up

    • @Bryan_Kay
      @Bryan_Kay 2 роки тому +73

      @@fregyt that in and of itself sounds hilarious 😂

    • @chuckbuck5002
      @chuckbuck5002 2 роки тому +13

      Except their both dead so it could have probably happened lmao

    • @janm7163
      @janm7163 2 роки тому +158

      Actually pretty similar yes, my dad was a soldier in the west German army, my mom's side grandpa was in the east German army border guards. When they first met they compared rifle qualification scores.

    • @atune2682
      @atune2682 2 роки тому +7

      so fckn true
      lol

  • @maxM38383
    @maxM38383 2 роки тому +3053

    46:44 “If somebody make a better design than me and Mr. Stoners designs then together we will shake that guys hand”- Mikhail, that almost brings a tear to my eye.

    • @durzoblint6532
      @durzoblint6532 2 роки тому +304

      And too this day, no one has. These two designs these men made have stood the test of time. Becoming the 1911 of the assault rifle class. Almost wished Browning was still alive to be a part of this.

    • @hypnoz7871
      @hypnoz7871 2 роки тому +14

      @@durzoblint6532 1911 only stood the test of time for American Boomers and civilians wanting to look "cool" and "retro".
      9mm, light weight polymers glock-like hanguns are what every police and military in the world want. Show them a 1911 they will laugh at your face.
      Sorry.

    • @basunm3753
      @basunm3753 2 роки тому +124

      @@hypnoz7871 glock as well as the most of modern pistol use m1911's short recoil operation and tilting barrel🤣 the difference is only caliber and assembly of mechanisms.

    • @basunm3753
      @basunm3753 2 роки тому +10

      @@hypnoz7871 every police and military in the world want glocks? No, at least Russia don't trust a piece of plastic.

    • @thelieutenant7732
      @thelieutenant7732 2 роки тому +44

      Well it looks like Stoner’s getting replaced by the NGSW program while Kalashnikov lives on in Russia with his final project being the AK 100 series. But Stoner will live in other militaries and the American civilian market for decades to come.

  • @shorelineapprentice6563
    @shorelineapprentice6563 2 роки тому +1846

    One thing they agreed on was the idiocy of bureaucrats.

    • @blackwoodsecurity531
      @blackwoodsecurity531 2 роки тому +229

      Gun designers from every company agree lol.
      Still remember the US navy requesting specific weapons from HK, getting exactly what they want after months of r&d and STILL rejecting them.
      Trials periods dragging on, having your gun perform exemplary- no adoption, current adopted rifle is fine.

    • @signs80
      @signs80 2 роки тому +49

      Every engineer feels the same way I'm sure lol

    • @user-njyzcip
      @user-njyzcip 2 роки тому +25

      @@blackwoodsecurity531 aah yes, the two HK SMG prototypes come to mind. At least they were able to further develop them into the UMP

    • @robertrishel3685
      @robertrishel3685 2 роки тому +30

      100%👍 It’s a universal truth, bureaucrats/bureaucracy is the central bane and primary root of failure of centralized government; irrespective of the flavor (democracy, communist, et al).

    • @sirshotty7689
      @sirshotty7689 2 роки тому +10

      Blackwood Security or how about that one time that they did trials for a new camo pattern. Then after the trials ended a general decided to insert a new camo pattern that didn't blend in with shit and picked it because it looked kinda cool to him and it ended up getting soldiers killed in the Middle East because of it and of course like always nothing bad happens to the higher ups and the average man gets punished for it.

  • @cropathfinder
    @cropathfinder 2 роки тому +3085

    Mikhail correcting his translator just makes me ROFLOL. Even tho he doesn't understand english too well he just has some instinctual level of understanding when it comes to talking about design.

    • @fregyt
      @fregyt 2 роки тому +281

      like most Russians, don’t underestimate their English abilities

    • @user-zx4vq4uk9c
      @user-zx4vq4uk9c 2 роки тому +43

      @I_Commission_DSPriscilla_Art quiet sseth

    • @Dave-wy4so
      @Dave-wy4so 2 роки тому +9

      I'm about 10 minutes in currently but if I miss it and want to go back where would I find that part?

    • @oneproudbrowncoat
      @oneproudbrowncoat 2 роки тому +57

      I love his expression at 08:13, looking at the disassembly. He doesn't even need the translation, at that point.

    • @1979draaven
      @1979draaven 2 роки тому +130

      Yeah, i know very little russian, but i can hear that translator is missing a LOT of what Stoner is saying. I think it is not a real, profesional translator, just some russian guy who was around and knows some english.

  • @KinseiSensei
    @KinseiSensei 2 роки тому +1920

    My favorite part was watching Kalashnikov enjoying a Sunkist Orange soda 😁

    • @Eluderatnight
      @Eluderatnight 2 роки тому +227

      Tastes like capitalism.

    • @fregyt
      @fregyt 2 роки тому +27

      yum

    • @OtherDalfite
      @OtherDalfite 2 роки тому +16

      I cannot drink Sunkist. Instantly induces a headache to me

    • @OtherDalfite
      @OtherDalfite 2 роки тому +12

      @@youtubeisgarbage900 lol. Even just tasting it gives me a headache. I haven't regularly drank soda in years

    • @OtherDalfite
      @OtherDalfite 2 роки тому +19

      @@youtubeisgarbage900 that's all I drink now. And milk

  • @markburrell2778
    @markburrell2778 2 роки тому +1684

    If only John Browning could have been there too.

    • @shashashashadowbannedbud4371
      @shashashashadowbannedbud4371 2 роки тому +54

      No doubt, i went with J Garand ;-b

    • @jimbob465
      @jimbob465 2 роки тому +99

      Neither man has anything on Mr. Browning

    • @fregyt
      @fregyt 2 роки тому +135

      @@jimbob465 I think Kalashnikov definitly has something on browning mate 👍

    • @brushnit9212
      @brushnit9212 2 роки тому +135

      @@fregyt maybe, but its apple to oranges comparison. Kalashnikov did the best he could with what was available to make the best to fit the needed product (he excelled at this) Browning had many great designs, but his mechanical inventions went onto many designs (tilting barrel/slide)

    • @JohnSmith-fd5un
      @JohnSmith-fd5un 2 роки тому +144

      People, you just can't compare anyone with anyone, John Browning was a man of his time as was Kalashnikov, they were designing firearms in accordance of situation. Both of them deserve respect of their own.

  • @spicn00
    @spicn00 2 роки тому +493

    I speak both English and Russian and it's interesting that sometimes the translator did not translate some technical terms well enough but even so Kalashnikov and Stoner automatically understand what the other meant despite the not so perfect translation.

    •  5 місяців тому +33

      I also speak both as foreign languages. I speak both at proficient level. It is good to understand both and to see where the translation is not so good. I have also been translating live speech, it is not so easy- especially when both of the languages you are translating are not your native languages.

    • @Thisisahandle701
      @Thisisahandle701 5 місяців тому +62

      I was concerned when stoner started speaking for 3 minutes straight with no pause

    • @davidca96
      @davidca96 5 місяців тому +7

      They could grasp what each other was trying to say because they both were so genius at design, certain aspects are the same from both sides

    • @charlesbrown4483
      @charlesbrown4483 4 місяці тому +4

      @ To be fair this was in 1990, with maybe not the best translator, but even so they seemed to convey the important messages back and fourth well enough.

    • @5roundsrapid263
      @5roundsrapid263 3 місяці тому +1

      English is my native language, and I know a good bit of Russian. His translation wasn’t 100%, but I’m sure Kalashnikov got the gist of it.

  • @EdwinYee1
    @EdwinYee1 2 роки тому +915

    cool thing too is that they both served in WW2

    • @fregyt
      @fregyt 2 роки тому +152

      Serving their country in more way than one

    • @a3nofficial25
      @a3nofficial25 2 роки тому +94

      Thats exactly why the guns they designed are timeless; 2 of, if not the best rifle platforms. They were designed by men who fought in real harsh combat and saw first hand everything that could be improved when it came to their assigned rifles

    • @rozkaz661
      @rozkaz661 Рік тому +28

      They used to be allies while fighting the war then found each other on the oposite sides of the cold war to become friends at the ends of their lives

    • @tlshortyshorty5810
      @tlshortyshorty5810 Рік тому +34

      Kalashnikov was a tank crewman, so the AK was built like a tank; Stoner maintained weapons for fighter planes, so the AR was built like a plane.

    • @FsimulatorX
      @FsimulatorX 4 місяці тому

      @@tlshortyshorty5810how has that influenced the design

  • @literallyshaking8019
    @literallyshaking8019 2 роки тому +573

    Bless the man who not only decided to bring these two legends together, but to film it.
    Imagine if John Browning was still around at the time to have participated...

    • @tlshortyshorty5810
      @tlshortyshorty5810 Рік тому +79

      Browning had a similar relationship with John Pedersen, his contemporary
      Browning was much more accomplished but he regarded Pedersen as the future of arms design and the better gunsmith

    • @ashmyblunt
      @ashmyblunt 5 місяців тому +11

      Can’t forget Samuel Colt

    • @smileydog5941
      @smileydog5941 4 місяці тому +4

      I heard that Colt was more of a businessman and the famous six shot revolver was designed by Browning.

    • @ashmyblunt
      @ashmyblunt 4 місяці тому +2

      @@smileydog5941 you heard incorrectly

  • @bigmike8847
    @bigmike8847 2 роки тому +454

    15:24.......so youre telling me this dude went black powder shooting with Eugene Stoner and Mikhail Kalashnikov on the Smithsonian's budget? Thats gotta be one hell of a story to hear

  • @sellsjeeps
    @sellsjeeps 2 роки тому +577

    8:00 is truly a magical moment. As soon as Stoner goes into showing the gas tube system you can see Kalashnikov's eye's lock directly onto the rifle. Even know they can't understand each other you get the feeling Kalashnikov knows exactly what Stoner is saying! Man what a thing to witness.

    • @fregyt
      @fregyt 2 роки тому +70

      Russian language uses similar words for some gun components and metals (titanium in Russian is similar sound to English, bolt is a commonly heard word) so he probably understood some basic English words

    • @eduardocharlier7560
      @eduardocharlier7560 2 роки тому +35

      I'm Brazilian, speak Portuguese and fluent English, never had a Russian class in my life, but I can understand a lot of what is said in Russian about firearms since I know what's going on with the gun and what is being pointed at, even when the video is Russian without a translation... If we really like something we gain a certain understanding that goes beyond language (and I am not a gun designer, only a student of engineering, imagine how much more Mr Kalash knows)

    • @truc3anha101
      @truc3anha101 2 роки тому +1

      @@fregyt ôlllpppppppppiiiiuuu¥) !!!£

    • @literallyshaking8019
      @literallyshaking8019 2 роки тому +9

      @@eduardocharlier7560 to my ears (being only an English speaker) Portuguese has always sounded like a blend of Spanish and Russian. I don’t know the history of both languages, but it just seems like at some point their paths crossed.
      Interesting that being a Portuguese speaker that you kinda confirmed that.

    • @eduardocharlier7560
      @eduardocharlier7560 2 роки тому +3

      @@literallyshaking8019 well, that wasn't really where I was going with my comment since Portuguese and Russian gave only a few common words (the ones in Russian with Latin origins), that said you are not the first to tell me Portuguese and Russian sound alike (and in fact I find it so myself, even if I have no clue what Russian words mean the pronunciation comes easy).
      Edit: my original point is how graphic Mr kalashnikov is in his explanations, pointing at the right parts etc, which coupled with words like "patroni" which I know means cartridge (not so in Portuguese, which would be munição/cartucho), I pretty much get what he means about function, and get lost on the stories...

  • @Firebert79TA
    @Firebert79TA 2 роки тому +1998

    Thank you so much for posting these interviews. I had no idea Stoner and Kaleshnikov ever met. What a remarkable moment in time!

    • @fregyt
      @fregyt 2 роки тому +59

      two legends

    • @Mikhail-Tkachenko
      @Mikhail-Tkachenko 2 роки тому +30

      Yes met several times

    • @wheelgunslingers
      @wheelgunslingers 2 роки тому +26

      people wielding these rifles have met each other many times and often kill each other

    • @patximartel
      @patximartel 2 роки тому +20

      They became friends actually.

    • @artinrahideh1229
      @artinrahideh1229 2 роки тому +2

      @@wheelgunslingers can you give some examples of designers killing each other

  • @Reticulosis
    @Reticulosis 2 роки тому +369

    “The A2 is going to cause more problems”
    Paraphrased
    “Yes, soldiers will mess with the rear sight like on the M1”
    Me a former soldier “jokes on you, the army only taught me to mess with it when zeroing and, then never mess with it again. I only used 3 round burst once in my life, (in basic when the DS needed to get rid of a bunch of unexpended blank ammo that they could not turn in live)”

    • @Jermdizzle
      @Jermdizzle 2 роки тому +45

      You're not lying about 3 round burst. The only time I ever used it was during some contracted training when they were teaching suppressing fire drills for egress movements. It's a good way to almost definitely miss 2/3 of all your shots, burn through all your combat load of ammo, and heat up your barrel. I assume there are some merits to semi-accurate fire in greatly increased volume from several individuals dumping 3 round bursts in your direction. I wouldn't know. Every TIC I was ever in was vs AKs, RPKs, and PKMs and they were all firing full-auto bursts. (Well, minus one terrifying instance by the Helmand River involving a DShK, *shudders*).
      One important caveat is that all of my combat experience took place outdoors and usually between 100-300 meters (of course there were plenty of instances of a burst or a few shots at us from longer ranges, but I rarely had any reasonable way to respond to some guy spraying a pkm at me from cover from 500m with my m4, even after replacing my Aimpoint with an ACOG). My response in that scenario was: Don't get shot, try to locate the shooter and communicate that to the 240s and the designated marksmen with .308s and LPVOs. I can't really speak as to whether 3 round burst would be something that I would have found useful in practice during CQB/MOUT. I know that I do not feel like a competent semi-auto AR platform rifle is any less effective in 99% of scenarios than an M4 or a full-auto variant. At least that's been my limited, but more informed than most, experience.

    • @The_SmorgMan
      @The_SmorgMan 5 місяців тому +2

      Is there a good reason to mess with sights in field conditions?
      I understand elevation adjustment but I’ve never dicked with windage on a gun with iron sights.

    • @chaffcutter58.
      @chaffcutter58. 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@The_SmorgMan I concur, but when using a weapon of heaver such as the FAL, Accidental dropping the rifle under combat conditions will seriously affect

    • @chaffcutter58.
      @chaffcutter58. 5 місяців тому

      ​@The_SmorgMan I concur, but when using a weapon of heaver such as the FAL, Accidental dropping the rifle under combat conditions will seriously affect

    • @markthompson4885
      @markthompson4885 4 місяці тому

      @@Jermdizzle In my unit we were never aloud to fire on Full Auto , but three rd burst was ok.

  • @nicholashahn3476
    @nicholashahn3476 2 роки тому +719

    Them discussing the ridiculousness of the army chief of staff's demand for a forward assist was my favorite part. "Military men are the same everywhere." "Ya they love to defy the laws of physics" lol

    • @KH-rt3ef
      @KH-rt3ef 2 роки тому +17

      Shoot, it does come in handy sometimes. Nonbelievers really ought to crawl around some more, save some oxygen for everybody else.

    • @OddBallPerformance
      @OddBallPerformance 2 роки тому +84

      @@KH-rt3ef So the guy that designed the rifle should have crawled around some more and saved oxygen for the rest of us? Ooookaaay.....

    • @jasoncarswell7458
      @jasoncarswell7458 2 роки тому +15

      The demand for the forward assist was due to the lack of a bolt handle to hammer on. No Kalashnikov has ever had that problem, and I would argue that for it's many other grievous faults, an AK is far more likely to *not be broken* by having the bolt kicked shut (or hammered open with a rock because it froze).

    • @hailexiao2770
      @hailexiao2770 2 роки тому +44

      @@KH-rt3ef If enough dust and mud get into the system to cause the bolt to not close, then:
      1) You probably didn't close the dust cover like you should have
      2) You definitely shouldn't be making the problem worse by forcefully kicking the bolt in

    • @svanhoosen
      @svanhoosen 2 роки тому +45

      Interesting that the forward assist saved Kyle Rittenhouse's life against Gaige Grosskreutz.

  • @sellsjeeps
    @sellsjeeps 2 роки тому +842

    This is a very significant historical document. Thank you to the Smithsonian for filming it and thank you Bakelite N Waffles for posting it.

    • @alexs1972
      @alexs1972 2 роки тому +38

      Bakelite N Waffles in association with the Smithsonian 🤣

    • @TheMW2informer
      @TheMW2informer 2 роки тому +1

      @@alexs1972 he wishes 😂😂😂

    • @charliemartin4392
      @charliemartin4392 Рік тому +5

      Too bad they suppress and destroy other information.

    • @CrAzYDUde2587
      @CrAzYDUde2587 10 місяців тому

      @@alexs1972lol

    • @Randald
      @Randald 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@charliemartin4392like what?

  • @Mosey410
    @Mosey410 2 роки тому +250

    They both speak gun
    I’m sure Mr. Kalashnikov had already broken down that rifle back in the 60s just as our guys were looking at the Soviet and Chinese weapons as they came in.

  • @gkft
    @gkft 2 роки тому +855

    Some of the still shots that could be pulled from these two together are wholesome to behold. What an amazing thing that Mr. Ed Ezell did to bring both of these men together so that we could have an opportunity to see them reflect on both of their innovations that changed the course of history, I wish all of these men were still with us today to see how much American civilians love both of these small arms. And thanks to the OP for uploading these videos so that we can finally enjoy them after more than three decades in the Smithsonian.

    • @fregyt
      @fregyt 2 роки тому +15

      gorgeous backdrop too. two legends nondoubtb

    • @Dino2GunZ
      @Dino2GunZ 2 роки тому +1

      I was thinking the same thing maybe I can get a poster made

    • @jimFcooper
      @jimFcooper 2 роки тому +5

      These rifles are very much sought after and cherished world wide. Individually these men will have shaped history more than the mightiest of kings.

  • @CoolStory-
    @CoolStory- 2 роки тому +423

    I love how Kalashnikov corrects the translator behind the scenes at 18:40 about his M16 - AR confusion

    • @baileyclifford2852
      @baileyclifford2852 2 роки тому +4

      What did he say?

    • @Paul_Sergeyev
      @Paul_Sergeyev 2 роки тому +64

      @@baileyclifford2852 he said that americans don't usually call the rifles AR and that it's better to call them by M designationd. At least that is what I managed to hear before the sound went out

    • @Paul_Sergeyev
      @Paul_Sergeyev 2 роки тому +68

      @@baileyclifford2852 or the other way around. I listened to it again and heard "They call it AR". Before that the translator asked if M16 and AR16 are the same thing. I also heard Kalashnikov say something like "don't worry, it's just a name"

    • @baileyclifford2852
      @baileyclifford2852 2 роки тому +43

      @@Paul_Sergeyev Oh i see, thank you! I really wish they would have hired a more experienced translator for such a prominent historical meeting like this, but i guess we were lucky to see this footage at all!

    • @Paul_Sergeyev
      @Paul_Sergeyev 2 роки тому +18

      @@baileyclifford2852 yeah, me too! It seems that this translation really didn't know much about weapons

  • @alexthompson8094
    @alexthompson8094 2 роки тому +149

    I love how around 23:45 Mr Kalashnikov is swatting a fly away from the rifle

  • @richardpowell4281
    @richardpowell4281 2 роки тому +20

    I like that immediately after the first translation Eugene realized he needed to make his comments shorter so they were easier to translate.

  • @tannerfinney8211
    @tannerfinney8211 2 роки тому +1246

    Beta Gun Buyers: “NoOOo! You can’t like both platforms! You have to choose one and ONLY one!”
    Sigma Gun Designers: “Your gun is nice.”
    “Thanks, your gun is pretty nice too.”

    • @dewayneirvin00
      @dewayneirvin00 2 роки тому +18

      Then in comes the 7.62x39 ar. I have one and love it. If only someone could make good magazines

    • @RobertDecker417
      @RobertDecker417 2 роки тому +5

      If it is a gun, then this goblin likes it.

    • @AKAngelKingAK
      @AKAngelKingAK 2 роки тому +1

      Always AK that's why AR is on my back..... Tatoo

    • @Nevertrollingagain
      @Nevertrollingagain Рік тому +4

      I prefer m16 but ak 47 also cool

    • @Mechanized85
      @Mechanized85 Рік тому

      AK is great, But M16/AR can do it as well.

  • @achillesrodriguezxx3958
    @achillesrodriguezxx3958 2 роки тому +46

    Lol Eugene Stoner was spot on about the burst firing problem the US military was bound to have. He predicted it almost 30 years before they made the change. Notice how the us military switched from the burst M16A4 and M4 carbine to the M4A1.

    • @CorkScrewDood
      @CorkScrewDood 2 роки тому +6

      One thing I would add is that the M4 introduced a new problem, its carbine gas tube would make the M4 wear a lot faster than the M16s gas length,, Im surprised to see that the mid gas system is relatively new thing and solves the overpressuring problems the M4 had. Too bad it doesnt matter since the military is looking to replace the AR lineup.

  • @icepickstabski8823
    @icepickstabski8823 2 роки тому +130

    His translator called the muzzle device front sight. Eugene Stoner was explaining how titanium muzzle devices were replaced and the translator botched it horribly, lol. Hurts to watch if you speak both

    • @Erreul
      @Erreul 2 роки тому +18

      I'd be interested to see if he was a government translator for either country or just some dude they hired on their own, because it's frankly surprising to see how many comments are saying this kind of thing when you look at most cross country interaction, media, the UN ect and they are basically doing it real time.

    • @John_Redcorn_
      @John_Redcorn_ 2 роки тому +11

      Stoner was talking about trying to use titanium for BOTH the front sight block and muzzle device. So the translator wasnt inaccurate.

    • @icepickstabski8823
      @icepickstabski8823 2 роки тому +16

      @@John_Redcorn_ the translator didn't make that distinction originally, and the whole video is pockmarked with such instances

    • @malkinmalone
      @malkinmalone 2 роки тому +20

      You need to speak 3 languages to understand this conversation Russian, English and firearm. Maybe the translator only spoke 2. I don’t think it is very common to be completely fluent in any 2 languages. I am sure almost anyone who has a job where alot of technical terminology is used would have a hard time translating that level of technical expertise into any other language.

    • @kravchan
      @kravchan 2 роки тому +1

      @@icepickstabski8823 i feel ya. I'm glad he did at least 80% correct, in some sense at least.

  • @chuckyxii10
    @chuckyxii10 5 місяців тому +19

    Stoner: biggest problem with M16A2 is complicated sight and 3 round burst
    M4A1: Simplified sight and no burst
    He knew what he was about.

  • @aa9095
    @aa9095 2 роки тому +512

    В голове не укладывается, что с того момента прошло уже 30 лет.

  • @JuliusCeasar224
    @JuliusCeasar224 2 роки тому +161

    Whats funny is theyve probably seen each others rifles a million times during various inspections for design competition.

    • @Cheka__
      @Cheka__ 2 роки тому +5

      I was thinking the same thing.

    • @JesusFriedChrist
      @JesusFriedChrist 5 місяців тому +2

      “The ruined my baby for no good reason.”

  • @c.n.crowther438
    @c.n.crowther438 2 роки тому +113

    Two of the most influential weapon designers in modern history civilly discussing their respective designs. This is perfect. Thank you for uploading.

  • @Achromania
    @Achromania 2 роки тому +127

    Two brilliant men who answered their nations' call with truly remarkable designs. John Browning would have been impressed with them both. Some people may attempt to mischaracterize their achievements as mere jingoism or warmongering, but such associations are oversimplified, grossly naïve and short-sighted.
    Very interesting video.

  • @user-xv5ic2ld7f
    @user-xv5ic2ld7f 2 роки тому +122

    Хорошо, что опубликовали этот интересный исторический момент - встречу двух выдающихся конструкторов из разных противостоящих ранее государств! Спасибо за видео!

    • @abdulabdanahib9617
      @abdulabdanahib9617 2 роки тому +7

      а я уже думал ниодного русского в коментах

    • @user-ko2gg9eh4p
      @user-ko2gg9eh4p 2 роки тому +3

      @@abdulabdanahib9617 ага

    • @OCTO358
      @OCTO358 4 місяці тому

      Ранее?

  • @-Zevin-
    @-Zevin- Рік тому +41

    I think I agree with Larry Vickers assessment in a interview I heard with him discussing the AK vs AR debate with Ian from forgotten weapons. Both are excellent platforms. The AK is a better tool for a WW3 type scenario and for conscript soldiers, simpler to use, simpler to clean and maintain and needs less spare parts. While the AR is a bit more refined but also has downsides, it can be made more accurate with a free floated barrel etc, more modular by design, with great ergonomics is really well suited for high end operators like special forces. long term deployment and adverse conditions impact the AR more in a negative way, logistically in spare parts, and in malfunctions; in a special forces type context (in and out missions) it doesn't play much of a factor. In a perfect world the main mass production weapon for the army would be a AK type weapon, and ARs would be used by veteran elite units who value pure performance over robust reliability and simplicity.

  • @_emh
    @_emh 2 роки тому +94

    When he mentions @16:00 that bad ammo led the army to believe that the rifle was no good, I wanted so badly in that moment for Mikhail to stop him with “nyet, rifle is fine!” What a superb interview.

    • @azzazel225
      @azzazel225 2 роки тому +9

      The translator totally butchered that part. Instead of saying that the problem was propellant and not the gun, he just "translated" something about gun being unreliable at first.

    • @LordStarbeard
      @LordStarbeard 2 роки тому +6

      @@azzazel225 From what i understood with my broken russian, he said that: 1. there was powder fit for the gun, 2. when "they" changed it, rifle no good.... idk, might me wrong, but translator did good

  • @cl570
    @cl570 2 роки тому +187

    Not a lot of people understand how close our ties are with Russia / the soviet union in certain realms of reality. It's really nice to see these two together. I believe Eisenhower once gave a fishing tackle to Zhukov, probably the most victorious general of WW2, and Zhukov cherished it for the rest of his life.

    • @elkpants1280
      @elkpants1280 2 роки тому +23

      I’m not super familiar with Zhukov but I have heard at least the main details about how he started relatively lowly as an officer and managed to incredibly work all his way up to the top. He really does come off as a quiet genius, easily the peer of any of the best generals during that war. He also seemed to be quite likeable too, almost every picture I’ve seen of him he is smiling for some reason or another.

    • @i4lmpatience945
      @i4lmpatience945 Рік тому +16

      zhukov also called truman just for a coca cola fix

    • @tlshortyshorty5810
      @tlshortyshorty5810 Рік тому +15

      @@i4lmpatience945 does this mean he was his coke dealer

    • @jeremymcadam7400
      @jeremymcadam7400 6 місяців тому +20

      It's a shame, since Russia was so crucial to the defeat of the Nazis, and afterwards Russia tried to join NATO. The west really should give more respect to Russia

    • @Tomas-gw6rd
      @Tomas-gw6rd 5 місяців тому +15

      One of the greatest tragedies of the post war era is that we did not remain allies with the USSR.

  • @skivvy3565
    @skivvy3565 4 місяці тому +7

    LOOK at those two names. This has to be one of the most historical and significant firearms events recorded on tape

  • @sam_rules76
    @sam_rules76 2 роки тому +52

    This is literally a historic moment. Sad to think it could never happen again

  • @meroving3628
    @meroving3628 7 місяців тому +74

    Приятно видеть дружбу двух гениев. Тем более из разных стран и культур

  • @jesusofbullets
    @jesusofbullets 2 роки тому +88

    I kinda wish that we'd actually had an alien invasion around that time so that Eugene Stoner and Mikhail Kalashnikov could join forces to develop Earth's greatest assault rifle. I mean, don't tell me you WOULDN'T want an assault rifle with the durability and simplicity of an AK with the functionality and quality of an AR.

    • @BJJISTHEGAYPARTOFMMA
      @BJJISTHEGAYPARTOFMMA 2 роки тому +6

      If aliens had the technology to invade earth we would all be wiped out with ease.

    • @BigWheel.
      @BigWheel. 5 місяців тому

      ​@@BJJISTHEGAYPARTOFMMA what if they only ever invented melee weapons?

    • @johnnytyler5685
      @johnnytyler5685 5 місяців тому +3

      Stoner already developed that rifle. It's called the AR-15.

    • @sweet65mustang
      @sweet65mustang 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@johnnytyler5685 yes. That's the response was looking for. So many think the ak is so much more reliable than the ar but real life testing does not agree

    • @user-xq7re5sq1d
      @user-xq7re5sq1d 5 місяців тому

      "durability, simplicity, functionality and quality." Just like the AR-15 already is.

  • @acebubbles5023
    @acebubbles5023 5 місяців тому +6

    seeing these two legends of firearm history talk is so cool

  • @garrettmandujano2996
    @garrettmandujano2996 2 роки тому +24

    Imagine walking into the sporting store and seeing the caliber and case size you developed being sold by the 1000s, amazing

  • @rsanoian
    @rsanoian 2 роки тому +64

    Two legends having a calm discussion and respect for each others design....

  • @justinmccoy7167
    @justinmccoy7167 Рік тому +109

    Both legends. Its so cool to have these guys talk. Soviet/Russian designs are always cool to see because they live somewhat isolated from the west and design everything to be self-sufficient from western supply chains. You end up with a much different design philosophy.

    • @StormerSixActual
      @StormerSixActual 5 місяців тому +10

      Quite ironic since the AK long stroke system is inspired by the M1 Garand's own.

    • @megeteu
      @megeteu 4 місяці тому +1

      @@StormerSixActual who told you that? Sincerely.

    • @sr-456yakn3
      @sr-456yakn3 4 місяці тому

      ​@@StormerSixActualModern America's education ladies and gentlemen.

    • @StormerSixActual
      @StormerSixActual 4 місяці тому +1

      @@sr-456yakn3 Okay but I'm Indonesian

    • @StormerSixActual
      @StormerSixActual 4 місяці тому

      So youtube been an ass because I can't seem to link the book nor the article here because it is always been taken down.
      Nevertheless Kalashnikov himself said that Garand is one of his influence, this statement came from the book Kalashnikov The Arms and The Man, which is written by Edward Clinton Ezell, a man who interviewed Kalashnikov himself.
      I tried to link an article since the past days and always, UA-cam takes it down, but you should be able to search it by typing "Rifle Paternity Test: Pinning Down The M1 Garand’s Influence On The AK"

  • @TeufelHunden927
    @TeufelHunden927 5 місяців тому +25

    As a marine that’s shot thousands of rounds through the M16A4, the forward assist has always been an addition that makes you feel like you’re doing something when you’re really not. I’ve been told to use it many times, but it’s never fixed anything that re-racking or clearing the chamber with a finger hasn’t fixed.

    • @mucicafrajer9882
      @mucicafrajer9882 4 місяці тому

      This comment deserves more attention

    • @tetraxis3011
      @tetraxis3011 4 місяці тому

      The Forward assist is the most useless feature in the AR.

    • @raymondhsu6407
      @raymondhsu6407 16 годин тому

      The “Close Elevator” button

  • @pdalia
    @pdalia 2 роки тому +13

    “Is there going to be an M16 A3? “ Heckler & Koch : YES

  • @SurajSinghTomarArya
    @SurajSinghTomarArya 2 роки тому +30

    Best thing to watch when you are alone and there is peace in the house.

  • @kimjongsquarepants4209
    @kimjongsquarepants4209 2 роки тому +80

    This is a legendary video. I’m so glad I came across it. I had never even considered what these two legends meeting would be like. May they both Rest In Peace for eternity

  • @georgebigr
    @georgebigr 2 роки тому +245

    Too bad they never collaborated. I’d love to see an AR with a kalash bolt and cam track design with an AR gas system and buffer setup. I hate how complex the AR is to field strip and how difficult the star chamber is to clean. Absolutely awesome video

    • @timdion9527
      @timdion9527 2 роки тому +24

      See Robinson Armament XCR.

    • @mikebastiat
      @mikebastiat 2 роки тому +14

      Hmm, I thought the piston system on the AK would be something to keep, as well as the recoil system.

    • @georgebigr
      @georgebigr 2 роки тому +26

      @@mikebastiat buffers shoot smoother with less bolt bounce and have a straight back and forth impulse in line with your shoulder. The AR gas system saves a fuck ton of weight and Is softer shooting because of it.

    • @mikebastiat
      @mikebastiat 2 роки тому +2

      @@georgebigr Sure, but the buffer system seems so much more sketchier and involved. I've seen springs, detents, backplates, stocks, and buffer tubes and springs, all fall apart at once. Without a stock, you can't fire an AR. It may be smoother, but is it reliable? To me it seems bad to depend on a stock to cycle the weapon. The AK recoil spring in my mind is superior to buffer weights (which need to be right), tubes, etc.

    • @georgebigr
      @georgebigr 2 роки тому +5

      @@mikebastiat the system is dope doesn’t mean the current design is. Go check out KE arms monolithic lower for example. Could combine that with a JP SCS and suddenly you’ve got no little parts to break. Theoretically you only need one buffer weight for a given setup and it should be tuned and mass produced that way.

  • @Yiots
    @Yiots 2 роки тому +27

    This meeting is mind boggling. Two titans of arms innovation from different sides of the world & the war, sitting at the same table in friendly conversation about their inventions. Truly historic footage & hammers home the importance of peace in our modern world.

  • @markholub97
    @markholub97 2 роки тому +43

    As an engineer/ gun enthusiast/ Marine, this is awesome to watch these 2 discussing the birth of this rifle. I’m glad this was videotaped for historical purposes.

  • @thetr00per30
    @thetr00per30 5 місяців тому +5

    How am I just seeing this now after all these years. This entire conversation from start to finish is fascinating. Wow was this cool.

  • @TheAverageSushi
    @TheAverageSushi 2 роки тому +55

    Timestamp 48:00 is an interesting one.
    Stoner was referring to the A2 as if it were still under trials despite being in service in 83 with the Corps and 86 with the Army. Granted the A2 saw service alongside the A1 in Grenada and Panama, but it seems like he wanted to see it in tried in hard combat like in the Gulf and Iraq War.
    Stoner also mentions the possibility of an A3 not having any changes in functionality other than the RISystem for optics, but nearly a decade later, the USN would end up requiring full-auto for the A3.
    Stoner mentioning the optics is amazing. Optics weren’t standard issue for the regular Riflemen and Infantrymen so it’s interesting he mentioned it. Only time I remember seeing optics used regularly by grunts in photos was in the late 90’s with M4 Carbines with M68 CCOs in Kosovo and Aimpoint Goosenecks in Iraq.
    They both agreed that the H&K G11 was not the rifle of the future.
    Take what I say with a grain of salt. Never served nor knew any firearms in detail. This is just my speculation from research as I collected US surplus from the late 80’s.

  • @barccy
    @barccy 2 роки тому +11

    Kalashnikov understood what H&K demonstrated in their "over the beech test". At least when there is submersion fire, it will rupture the gas tube. Just taking it out of the water and letting it drain for a few moments prevents that, however, as Stoner says.

  • @jesuschrist711
    @jesuschrist711 5 місяців тому +4

    i love how these dudes met randomly and loved exploring each-other’s different ideas.

  • @jerrydonquixote5927
    @jerrydonquixote5927 2 роки тому +33

    46:46 I couldn't agree more with Mikhail Kalashnikov if anybody can make a better fighting rifle than him and Gene Stoner they will get together shake their hands! These two men made the finest 2 fighting rifles of all time!

  • @anth5424
    @anth5424 5 місяців тому +8

    The production isn't great and to me, that makes it even more fascinating- it's real.
    When Mr Kalisnikov says 'your design is simple' thats the highest compliment.

  • @PhoebeJCPSkunccMDsImagitorium
    @PhoebeJCPSkunccMDsImagitorium 2 роки тому +12

    "It is not the guns that are tested, but the designers who are dropped (on concrete)" Mikhail referring to the stress testing process

  • @PastaLaVista.
    @PastaLaVista. 2 роки тому +27

    Neither of these guys ever had to shake anyone else’s hand in their respective countries. AK and AR are still the two top dogs

  • @usov656
    @usov656 5 місяців тому +9

    Absolutely magical. You can see how their understanding of things on the technical level is so great that they're able to go beyond the language barrier at time while discussing things. Them being able to meet and exchange ideas is truly beautiful.

  • @boomershooter414
    @boomershooter414 2 роки тому +46

    When two legends meet
    Truly this is a historical moment

  • @waldoman321
    @waldoman321 Рік тому +8

    Love how the two men speak TO each other, even while requiring a translator. Mutual Respect.

  • @jonathanjonnylightning718
    @jonathanjonnylightning718 2 роки тому +15

    I never would of thought that Stoner and Kalashnikov did an interview like this. Wow this is crazy and boys and Girls in 1990 Russia was the Soviet union which makes this even weirder that this took place.

    • @arpioisme
      @arpioisme 2 роки тому +1

      No, in 1990 it is already Russia, not Uni-Sovyet

    • @JesusFriedChrist
      @JesusFriedChrist 5 місяців тому +2

      The official dissolution of the USSR was on December 26th, 1991, but the pieces for the dissolution were already put in place by the late 1980’s. After the fall of the Berlin Wall, it was only a matter of time before the Soviet Republics officially separated into their own sovereign countries.

    • @tetraxis3011
      @tetraxis3011 4 місяці тому

      @@JesusFriedChristNot really. The USSR could still be saved, but the hardline stalinists ruined everything.

  • @wallyhiggens5369
    @wallyhiggens5369 2 роки тому +25

    That time Stoner said the m16 doesn't need a forward assist.
    I didn't know that.

    • @williamm.7433
      @williamm.7433 2 роки тому +6

      Yep, it was forced upon his design. Should never even touch it.

    • @axelkusanagi4139
      @axelkusanagi4139 2 роки тому +3

      What possible jam can be solved by jamming it more? I just don't get it.
      It was a problem created by taking the charging handle from its original position inside the carry handle.
      A more elegant fix for the advent of Picatinny rails would have been to turn it 90 degrees and keep it reciprocating.

    • @oban6051
      @oban6051 2 роки тому +2

      William M. It’s pretty useful in arctic environments. Until you’ve put about a full mag through to warm it up you’ll get jams when trying to shoot in negative temps. It likes to not let the bolt all the way back forward because any oils or even just condensation will freeze and stop it from fully chambering. I’ve used the forward assist many times in sub zero temps.

    • @480JD
      @480JD 2 роки тому +2

      I guess you can use it to quietly chamber a round, since the bolt needs a little momentum to close completely in some cases.

    • @davitdavid7165
      @davitdavid7165 4 місяці тому

      It's why the first ever prototypes never had it. It is why the navy did not have it for the time. And it is why the sr25 does not have it

  • @kingodysseas
    @kingodysseas 5 місяців тому +5

    Shame the audio cuts out when Mikhail and the translator are talking. Really neat seeing this. Thanks for sharing.

  • @america-san
    @america-san 2 роки тому +131

    The most awaited crossover event of the last century.

    • @joemama.556
      @joemama.556 2 роки тому +6

      this reminds me of that old meme that said: "Name a more iconic duo, I'll wait" 🤣
      hint: there is not

    • @fregyt
      @fregyt 2 роки тому +1

      Still looking for a eugene account

  • @Worldconquer2018
    @Worldconquer2018 2 роки тому +18

    Two legends coming together like this is almost unheard of

  • @SeanConnoly
    @SeanConnoly 5 місяців тому +9

    I remember these days as a kid when the cold of a long winter was thawing and we felt like the future was ours we sat together and realized we had much more in common than not.
    I loved AK’s and Russian weapons because of red dawn in the 80’s now after many years of being familiar, intimately familiar with the AR platform I do prefer it.
    This is beautiful.

    • @sloppyfloppy79
      @sloppyfloppy79 5 місяців тому +1

      Same. I own both platforms and I prefer my AR platform to my AK platform. I have fewer issues with my AR than my AK. The AK isn't as "reliable" as people say it is.

  • @SuperTrb0
    @SuperTrb0 2 роки тому +73

    It would be interesting to see what these two guys could come up with if they had to work together to build a rifle.

    • @mateusstein1438
      @mateusstein1438 2 роки тому +16

      Ak-15

    • @randomidiot8142
      @randomidiot8142 2 роки тому +9

      M47

    • @KPMACHINE1
      @KPMACHINE1 2 роки тому +7

      It would have to be politically correct and be able to identify and gender fluid so if in battle it needed to go to both bathrooms.

    • @vividfiber6668
      @vividfiber6668 2 роки тому +7

      @@KPMACHINE1you sound fucking insane. This is a video about two of the most influential firearms designers in the world and you want to bring trans people into this somehow

    • @thejohhny2943
      @thejohhny2943 2 роки тому +6

      @@vividfiber6668 you'll never bee a rel women.

  • @IcanDriveIt
    @IcanDriveIt 2 роки тому +86

    If only Eugene stoner could see the M16/M4 of today. Its a whole new gun since 1997 when he died.

    • @japarsell
      @japarsell 2 роки тому +13

      Literally nothing in the design has changed whatsoever

    • @seanfrashier631
      @seanfrashier631 2 роки тому +20

      @@japarsell the way it works is the same, but there have been lots of changes. Adjustable length of pull, Free float rails, mounting systems, optics, better feed ramps, different barrel materials, lengths, twist rates, and contours, gas and buffer systems, modern bolts and ejectors, etc. Also we have piston AR's now lol

    • @harrisonhellmich81
      @harrisonhellmich81 2 роки тому +21

      @@japarsell buy a M16a2 clone then buy a 10.3-16" modern AR15 with Mlok free floated rails, picatinny top rail and adjustable stock. Compare the two side by side and then realize how much the AR has changed. After that, go ahead and delete your ignorant comment.

    • @coltonrobertson5091
      @coltonrobertson5091 2 роки тому +1

      Weird. It's like if you were to strip all the stuff you mentioned off it'd look just like it does in this video. Delete your own comment you doofus

    • @Havok0159
      @Havok0159 2 роки тому +1

      @@harrisonhellmich81 Yeah, it changed so much that it would fail the original trials that led to its adoption. Stoner made a light rifle then the military made it fat and added useless features like the bolt assist or heavy barrels.

  • @dannypratt1127
    @dannypratt1127 5 місяців тому +6

    What a moment in history man! Two legends being civil and discussing the passion of their trade

  • @TheGrenadier97
    @TheGrenadier97 8 місяців тому +3

    I knew they met, but thought it was more like the kind of photos and short talk meeting for some magazines. Over one hour of conversation is just nice.

  • @gordtron
    @gordtron 4 місяці тому +2

    seeing these two old engineering wizards agreeing over so many things shows why both platforms are so relevant today. so glad this meeting took place.

  • @nicholasfrancoeur3897
    @nicholasfrancoeur3897 5 місяців тому +6

    This is an incredible piece of history

  • @brunopercasti2550
    @brunopercasti2550 2 роки тому +128

    Two of the most creative minds in the history of human kind, one with a communist background and the other one with capitalist background but in general the most iconic weapons ever designed. Great video every guns enthusiast has to watch this videos regardless of political differences two guys talk about their inventions how they thought they had advantages over the other design features, functions, materials etc etc.

    • @appalachianwarcriminal
      @appalachianwarcriminal 2 роки тому +25

      No hate, no bullshit. Just two men being friends.

    • @elburropeligroso4689
      @elburropeligroso4689 Рік тому +3

      Great minds think alike. The goals with their respective rifles were the weight reduction of the rifle. One did it with sheet metal, the other did it with aluminum forgings.

  • @JohnDoe-di2rt
    @JohnDoe-di2rt 5 місяців тому +21

    I like how they both laughed and joked of their opposition of each other. Both amazing men and heroes to their country. Respect to both.
    P.S. Kalashnikov drinking Sunkist goes hard af

  • @TheMemeDynamics
    @TheMemeDynamics 2 роки тому +10

    Man, I really like how they are just staying calm, not fighting!
    May both of them Rest in Peace.

  • @TheHilariousGoldenChariot
    @TheHilariousGoldenChariot 5 місяців тому +3

    I was very impressed by the translator for just how much he could translate in one setting maybe I never seen it live like that before but it was impressive.

  • @collinlynch4569
    @collinlynch4569 2 роки тому +184

    I wish they could have come together to create the greatest assault rifle of all time.

    • @thecoolnerdplaysvr5674
      @thecoolnerdplaysvr5674 2 роки тому +79

      They each did for their own countries needs.
      Both rifles are perfect in the context of each country's doctrine

    • @collinlynch4569
      @collinlynch4569 2 роки тому +19

      Thecoolnerdplays VR that they did, I just wish I could have seen what they could have come up together.

    • @fregyt
      @fregyt 2 роки тому +20

      Carbine is probably a better term than assault rifle

    • @flavortown3781
      @flavortown3781 2 роки тому +8

      @@collinlynch4569 ahem either scar H, or sig 552

    • @collinlynch4569
      @collinlynch4569 2 роки тому +5

      Flavortown I agree with the SIG 552 and even the SIG 556.

  • @milesmcsmiles2971
    @milesmcsmiles2971 2 роки тому +31

    I cant believe through the magic of the internet I can watch Mikhail Kalashnikov drink a Sunkist

  • @Chilly_Billy
    @Chilly_Billy 2 роки тому +20

    Geniuses together.
    I've seen bits of this video several times but never the entire interview. Thanks so much for posting it.

  • @ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it
    @ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it 5 місяців тому +7

    mikhail nerding over ar15 is cute lmao. look at him taking his glasses, glancing, touching, inspecting

  • @Majima897
    @Majima897 Рік тому +35

    Eugene Stoner was such a Chad. Changed the M16/M4/AR15 world. God bless, Stoner. Mikhail created the most iconic rifle in the world; even used on Mozambique's flag. Again: phenomenal design, and simplicity. It’s art. Rest in Peace Kalashnikov!

    • @Xavieus
      @Xavieus 5 місяців тому +1

      What do you mean by changed the M16/M4/AR15 world? He created that world 😂 😂

  • @trauma4465
    @trauma4465 4 місяці тому +2

    The most genuine, kind & respectful “AR vs AK” debate I’ve ever witnessed, occurred after the Cold War between so-called Enemies.
    Take notes young folks… this is respect.

  • @MatoVuc
    @MatoVuc 2 роки тому +25

    Interesting to remember that these two men designed their guns in the 1940s and 1960s

    • @isaachousley325
      @isaachousley325 2 роки тому +5

      Majority of the design work of the ar-15 came from the ar-10 which was a early/mid 1950s design. Its a little bit of semantics but helps to clarify that the two rifles were designed roughly in the same era

  • @JesusChrist8451
    @JesusChrist8451 5 місяців тому +7

    Shout out to the absolute unit that managed to get these two to sit down at a picnic table in middle of nowhere Virginia

    • @georgesakellaropoulos8162
      @georgesakellaropoulos8162 5 місяців тому

      Star Tannery is pretty much the middle of nowhere. It's absolutely gorgeous there, but definitely off the beaten path.

  • @ProbInsane
    @ProbInsane 2 роки тому +161

    31:48 Kalashnikov said that he is very heart broken to see his designs being used by the enemy or by anyone that's not using it for Russia. Im sure he didnt find it that funny when Stoner mentioned fighting against the VietCong with their chinese supplied Type 56 rifles (AK47 design)

    • @thelieutenant7732
      @thelieutenant7732 2 роки тому +36

      Considering Vietnam was warmer with the USSR than with China even with Chinese soldiers fighting for Vietnam, I’m sure Kalashnikov didn’t mind since spreading the USSR’s influence is a good thing from his nation’s perspective. (Btw Type 56 also refers to SKS which China supplied a lot more of than the AK version of the Type 56)

    • @MyHentaiGirl
      @MyHentaiGirl 2 роки тому +3

      @@thelieutenant7732 China is more of a "You are my enemy but this time there is a bigger enemy so you can "help" us just this time"

    • @joeb6750
      @joeb6750 2 роки тому +21

      @@thelieutenant7732 From what he's spoken in other records, he was never a fan of his designs being used in conflict, but he saw it necessary to defend the nation and protect the people, so he did his best regardless. I won't bother getting into anything besides what he said.

    • @user-njyzcip
      @user-njyzcip 2 роки тому +16

      Fun fact: China later fought 2 wars against Vietnam after the Americans left. During the first one they had their arses handed to them because most of their AKs were supplied to the North Vietnamese, while their own troops mostly had the SKS 😑 that's what's led to the development of the Type 81

    • @Jermdizzle
      @Jermdizzle 2 роки тому +6

      @@thelieutenant7732 Keep in mind that, by 1969, the Sino-Soviet split was in full effect. By 1972 China's relationship with the US was stronger than with the Soviet Union.

  • @tsoliot5913
    @tsoliot5913 2 роки тому +43

    I can't wait to see this all over the place. /k/

  • @pdalia
    @pdalia 2 роки тому +6

    Seeing Mikhail Kalashnikov having a Fanta just make May Day , what a gem of video

  • @practicalshooting
    @practicalshooting 2 роки тому +11

    This video is great! Thanks guys!!!!!

  • @ticklingoscillators1852
    @ticklingoscillators1852 2 роки тому +113

    The UA-cam algorithm Gods have smiled upon me today. What a find!

  • @dmitrit.4862
    @dmitrit.4862 4 місяці тому +3

    Would also be awesome to see Gryazev, Shipunov and the guys who created the GAU-8/A to meet and talk about their creations like that. But of course with a WAY more competent translator. 😅

  • @kantenklaus9753
    @kantenklaus9753 2 роки тому +15

    When Stoner mentioned that cleaning was necessary with 2k cartridges, I could see a smirk on Mikhail's face.

    • @fregyt
      @fregyt 2 роки тому +10

      Cleaning AK is important. Not as important, but please do!!!!

  • @Second_Opinion_2
    @Second_Opinion_2 5 місяців тому +5

    I didn't think it would be possible to have these two legends in the same place at the same time without their massive balls creating a singularity and destroying the earth.

  • @korana6308
    @korana6308 5 місяців тому +3

    Absolutely incredible watching this piece of history! Thanks for uploading it 👍💗

  • @user-in3mg1sg1w
    @user-in3mg1sg1w Рік тому +8

    You get the sense that both of these fellas are the good guys.
    Both are patriots who worked hard for the success of their respective countries.

  • @andro7862
    @andro7862 Рік тому +5

    I love how they're both making fun of the G11

  • @TheNocturnalEvil
    @TheNocturnalEvil 2 роки тому +12

    If only Wilhelm Stähle and Ludwig Vogrimler were there. For those who ain't aware of them, they were the Mauser engineers who invented the roller delayed blowback system, made the first roller delayed blowback assault rifle StG45.
    Ludwig later went on to develop the CETME Model 58 rifle which later evolved into HK G3, HK33, and HK G41.

  • @Fargoleafy
    @Fargoleafy 5 місяців тому +4

    18:43 Things i never expected to see: Mikhail Kalashnikov drinking an orange soda.

  • @dragonfighter83
    @dragonfighter83 2 роки тому +6

    Two Absolute Legends in the firearms world. They have faced each other in combat Uncountable times. They have won and defeated each other around the world. To see these Legends sit beside one another and discuss their designs, trials, and tribulations is nothing short of Awesome. I don't want the over use of that word to limit it's meaning. Awesome-to inspire Awe, Awe-A feeling of reverential respect mixed with fear or wonder.

  • @livingintheLight.
    @livingintheLight. 2 роки тому +7

    Amazing seeing these 2 legendary men together