Additional information for reference: This video was recorded internally on each TX. Lo-Cut: Off. Noise Reduction: Off. 32 BF: On The TX were not connected to the RX (as indicated by the blinking green LED) No post processing was added during editing. Both TX Gain set to +9 dB Wind muffs were used for plosive taming. Frequency Analyses were conducted with no Wind Muffs attached.
@WayneRECs Have you tried using a lav with both transmitters (the same lav for both) to be sure it is just the internal mic? If they still sound different it might be something else.
To anybody that's saying they can't hear the difference... Are you listening to this on your phone/laptop speakers or are you listening to it through a proper set of external speakers? There is a MASSIVE difference in audio quality between the 2 mics which I don't think any onboard device speakers are able to properly output.
Toytally agree with Wayne. This is a widespread problem. I have three of the new TX's (two purchased with a the RX and a previous one as part of the Osmo Pocket 3 creator kit). There is wide variation between how each of the three sounds, with two being 'dull, muffled' and lacking in HF response. The other is 'thin' sounding. There are also audible artefacts at times during recording, to the point that it sounds as if some NR was in use, but in fact, was not. It was turned off. Also, if you do a test recording of a 1kHz sine wave, every few seconds there is a 'blip' in volume, as if some kind of auto compression was in use. That, by the way, is not an academic issue - it would affect a recording of a violin, or any continuous tone. I reported that to DJI weeks ago. Curtis Judd has also tested a set and found such serious issues he suspended his review to give them a chance to fix it all... they say a firmware fix is coming, but I suspect there are hardware issues in play here too. Possibly poor QC of the mic capsules.
FYI - Curtis Judd just published a video about his malfunctioning transmitter as well. This may be a MUCH bigger problem than anyone realizes - at least with the first shipment. Somewhat reminiscent of the first DJI Action 3's that got shipped with terrible close focusing.
My biggest gripe with the DJI mic 2 is the Bluetooth codec used on third party... I did a test on my channel, and the audio quality is subpar when used with mobile devices. Great unit for 1st party usage, but bad for 3rd party. The audio cuts after 9khz when using bluetooth
@ataaaaas says he gets 16kHz on mac mini bluetooth. If it is like BT earbuds, the source and target broadcast to each other what parameters (codecs, bit-depth, stereo (M/S) modes, bit-pool, sample frequency, bit-rate) they each support and negotiate. Some devices are rather 'conservative' and play it safe (for range & reliability), or are old enough to not support newer expectations. Some Qualcomm devices support "aptX Adaptive" which includes " aptX Voice" for mics. "aptX Voice supports 32 kHz sampling audio with a smooth 16 kHz frequency response" Apple tends to prefer AAC. DJI use AAC in recorded files - they might well support AAC over BT? You might find a BlueTooth dongle that works better than built-in BT. Might need 'OTG' on a phone/tablet? BlueTooth is plug-and-play, but doesn't give best results unless both sides support the same tech. On Windows, BlueToothGoodies have a 'tweak' app that lets you see how you connect, and an 'Alternative A2DP' driver that lets you control the connection. Not sure if it is just output, or mic input, too.
i think an even larger problem that no one is talking about is the lack of timcode on a "pro" device. i was suprised when i got mine to not see anything in the reciever menu, documentation, and even called support and got no answers. the rode wireless pro has it, i wrongly assumed the mic 2 would as well.
Your video blew my mind. I watched another intro video of this product. Guess what? I noticed the difference between the microphones and I couldn't figure it out. Then This Video Came up and Boom! I get it. Thank you so much for posting this and also for the audio comparison. Have a great week, just subscribed!
curtis judd also said same thing, sound is missing huge parts of frequency range and dji have said they are addressing it, can't trust a brand that releases stuff without it being ready and almost all UA-cam influencers have no knowledge on sound or video for that matter so just say anything to sell. Well done on showing the fault
Whelp you got my HR up a little bit. Paused this & ran down stairs to test mine (Ordered 1/17 at 8:03est, NJ warehouse). Luckily both of mine sound the same & are not muffled. Im sorry to hear you got a muffled one, at least one isn't... bright side for now🤷♂. I did start to watch videos after placing my order & could hear that difference with some of there but not all the time so I thought it was a setting issue or something. This is a great catch, hopefully you can get it "fixed"
"Bright side..." I see what you did there lol! Thanks for sharing your experience! Glad to hear yours sound closer to each other than mine! We'll see how this all plays out eventually lol!
Thanks for the video. Now I understand the "problem". Another UA-camr also pointed this out (he sent me the link to you), but I couldn't identify the problem. Because he only used one of the 2 microphones and simply says it doesn't sound good. With you I understood the audiophile circumstances. But you actually already provide many explanations yourself as to why it won't be crucial for most content creators (including me). I am also a musician, own a studio and am a filmmaker. I edit every interview, so it doesn't matter to me which mic I use to boost the highs or cut the mids. Since the human voice can sound "mushy" or very high-pitched and comes from the body in very different ways, the matter is not a problem for me. But still good to have understood the problem through you. This basically made me aware of a problem that I will continue to observe (also with other sets). You have a great way of explaining things in an understandable way. Do you think DJI can fix this with an update? Already left a subscription
Great video, Wayne. I did some tests because I noticed the darkness of my DJI Mic 2 when compared to the built-in microphones of my Osmo Pocket 3. I wasn’t sure if the issue was the capsule of the DJI Mic 2 or the transmitter itself. I connected my Rode wireless lav 2 to the DJI Mic 2 transmitter and noticed immediately that it was brighter and crisper. I also did a side-by-side test with the Rode wireless lav 2 connected to both the DJI Mic 2 and the Rode wireless go 2 transmitter. They sounded identical to my ears so to the best of my discernment it seems it’s a capsule issue with the DJI Mic 2. I think that’s why it seems almost universal in the comments of people that have compared the Rode wireless pro to the DJI Mic 2 that most everyone says the Rode sounds better. My current work around is plugging a Edutige ETM-001 TRS mic to my DJI Mic 2. It sounds great and still retains the compactness element. I hope DJI does a better job with its capsules in the future.
IMO, these built-in mics on these transmitter units should lean brighter to offset bass frequencies from people's chests. If it is a widespread capsule issue, I'm not sure how DJI would fix it, especially as many would not be able to self identify if their unit was defective. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. My units def sounded the same with external mics connected.
As a video production team, this is definitely a great test and information you provided. Thank you so much for the effort in this video. I will add: we're currently living in a time where ai software is being implemented anywhere possible. It's possible that there is some AI tech in the mics software. This then causes each mic to evaluate your environment differently, resulting in a different sound. The mic could be making that choice for you natively in its software. (even with noise cancel off). In any case, raising this issue could be the spring board to a great firmware update. Thanks again ✊
Thank you so much for doing this video! You're the only person so far who has openly called this out! DJI should really do a product recall. At this price range - it's simply not ok to release sub par products. I was beginning to get extremely frustrated at all the other YT'ers that either ignorantly sang the praises of this muffled mic or just outright ignored it all together. Thank you for such an honest & independant review. Thank you again!
Did you check this difference about 24B and 32BF for BOTH of your microphones... in other words did you change the BF internally from one to the other and then check again? Just to know if both microphones are behaving identical...
This explains why the DJI mic I got with my pocket 3 sounds really bad. It sounds so muddy and muffled compared to the mics I normally use. Thanks for this video i'm going to email DJI and see if I can get another mic sent out.
Ok. I only noticed it when you mentioned it. The difference is minimal. At least when I look at it on my iPhone without headphones. But precisely because you noticed it, I find you even more likeable. Very authentic. And it's clear that you have your own view of things that can't be copied. Thank you, keep up the good work. 🤗
Thanks Alex! I've always appreciated your support over the years! I only noticed it because I have 2 units to directly compare. Had I gone with a single TX, you'd probably be watching a very different video from me right now lol!
WOW - really good catch here. I assume running the same lavs into either one would produce the same sound from both - if its an inbuilt mic problem on the transmitters themselves? We just received a set today and I'm not in love with the sound quality out of either, if I'm being honest.
That's a great point! @waynerecs - can you try using a lav to see if it's the way that the physical mic pics things up or if its the audio processing after the signal is picked up?
listening to it on my Adam A7x studio monitors it is a very noticeable difference. Did you buy them separate, the pocket 3 kit, or the 2TX + 1 RX + charging kit? I actually noticed the one that came with my pocket 3 to be really muffled too.
Not a big deal for my use. I was using an Action 4 with Rode Reciever plugged in which is probably fine for most people but my models handle the action camera and the wire or adapter can make it awkward as I have to instruct not to knock it off or break it. The DJI Bluetooth mode solved this for me and works great. For my S52 I use both mics merged so the difference in the mics is not an issue for me but I agree that much variation is not what I would consider pro but to be honest I always saw these devices as Prosumer and not full Pro devices. It is good information but like you said the majority of people will not care about this. I love how I can switch from Bluetooth to receiver connections on the fly so I can use both for the S52 and Quickly switch modes and it pairs to my Action 4 on the fly. Opening the case and everything just works. Also, all the info on the receiver is amazing. I missed backups on my Rode Go II a few times since I had no idea it was off after an update, The DJI shows me everything it is doing. Even the Transmitter lights are more informative than my Go 2. Based on all the reviews The Rode Wireless Pro is closer to a pro-level device with Timecode, more storage, better quality audio, locking plugs, etc but for my use, the DJI was an easy decision. Even the storage limits are no issue for me as I only do 3-5hr shoots and I dump my devices to 2 backups after every shoot so I can format and be ready for the next shoot. If I was doing weddings, 2-person interviews, and shoots for more than 8hrs I would pick the Rode hands down it is what event videographers crave. DJI mic 2 will do those things but if you do not need the flexibility of the DJI mic-2 it is a no-brainer to pick the rode.
Just to confirm, I can hear the difference on my iPhone 15 Pro speakers, but my daughter cannot. Also, Curtis Judd found a random bug with the beeping. I’ll hold off on getting one because now it seems rushed to put the units out in the market.
Yes, you are right - when you said it, it's audible - though I guess I wouldn't be bothered by it. Let's see if DJI will fix it. Awesome care for detail!
Is this the dji combo or did you just buy a second transmitter? It could also be a potential phase issue since you are recording simultaneously. I would expect them to be the same in different positions. Also check that the noise cancellation isn’t enabled.
Great catch. I have to admit that even with headphones on, I didn't catch the difference until you pointed it out - at which point it was more obvious. I conduct interviews professionally and currently use dji wireless mics (version 1) regularly. My mic 2's are on the way. I don't think the average person watching the end product on social media would be able to tell tbh... and what about using lav mics attached? Any difference? i'll be sure and check when mine arrive, though. Love your channel, thank you!
Thanks for your comment! I think using an external mic is a work around here so if that is your setup, I don't think you'd have any issues. But I would be interested in hearing if you hear any difference when you get your units!
There's definitely a difference. Truth be told in your video, when listening on speakers, it was harder to pick up on. I think it all depends on what the content is and where it's being delivered/shown. My UA-cam co-host has a DJI Mic 2 that came with the DJI Pocket 3. Immediately I thought it sounded odd and just assumed it was the noise-reduction software. After Curtis Judd mentioned issues with the DJI Mic 2, I investigated turning off the noise-reduction on the Pocket 3 using the Pocket 3's interface. Still didn't sound great. But, my ears are more attuned to weird stuff like that. Most people don't care. Bugs me though for sure. That said, even on Curtis Judd's video, when he illustrated there was an issue, I wasn't 100% sure what he was talking about initially as he just showed test samples and didn't spell out the problem.
Wayne, great work man, awesome professional analysis. I've been watching reviews of the DJI Mic 2 and you just confirmed what I was "hearing". THE MICS SOUND DIFFERENT. Huge problem IMO. Please upload a video once you get an answer from DJI. Subscribed.
Can you share what is the plate setup that you used to position those mics at an angle? Looking for something like that for my video rig. Thanks for the video!
Whenever there is a mic comparison video and you guys say we need to put on good headphones to hear the difference, I often can't really hear much if any difference between mics, so I'm obviously not an audiophile. But this time, I could hear the difference even on my cheap computer speakers. I've watched a few DJI Mic 2 vs Rode Wireless Pro comparisons (David Manning, Peter Lindgren, Potato Jet, Tony Northrup) on UA-cam and I noticed the Mic 2 often sounds more processed, dare I say even slightly muffled compared to the Rode and sometimes even compared to the Mic 1. It's like even with the noise cancellation off, it's still doing a bit of noise cancellation or some sort of processing. I'm not sure if this is because of the mics, the recorder, or the deadcats, but it is there. This could be related to your issue. Let me know what you think. Keep up the great work!
absolutely agree with you: they are doing some processing even with switched off noise canceling. And I think that why they have perfect Noise Level....
The brighter mic actually sounds decent, similar to the DJI Mic 1. I most comparisons to the Rode Wireless Pro the DJI Mic 2 just sounds awful. It also has clock and latency issues unlike the Rode.
Agreed, also, in most scenarios you’re going to be recording two different elements but good to know, I guess. Curious to know if the same thing happens with 2 lavalieres plugged in.
Thanks for the info! You are right - DJI should not label them “pro”, if your tests reflect a quality control issue. I ordered the mic 2, and I don’t think such differences will matter much to me (not a pro). I will have to see when the set arrives - my use case would be one mic per person, and since every voice is different, I am doubtful of any significant impact to the outcome.
Maybe I'll have to grab a Mic 1 for myself... NGL, the ability to connect the Mic 2 directly to DJI cameras was a big selling point for me (that I'm willing to compromise audio quality for).
Watching other comparisons between the DJI Mic 2 and the Rode Wireless Pro I first thought the DJI was waaayyy darker and muddy compared to the Rode, then watching another comparison the DJI sounded a tad brighter. Not scientific, but this could explain why I was noticing this.
WOW! There is a distinct difference between the two units. This wouldn't be an issue for my particular applications however, I could certainly see how this could be a potential problem for others. Thanks Wayne, your attention to detail is impeccable.
I think for a lot of people, it would easily go unnoticed. Especially in certain environments and certain mic placements. But for me, I really value consistency with my audio gear so hearing the difference was like a splinter in my mind lol!
Something like 15% of all tech has problems... it's very possible you got a bad unit. You should probably return it and get a new unit before your return window closes. I'll be checking this out on my set too. I do however find the Mic 1 sounds better than the Mic 2 in a lot of the reviews though.
Im connected my mic2 only in bluetooth for my mac mini and sound awful. The mic only connected for 16kHz record, and sounds terrible. Do you have issue for upgrade this 16kHz to 48kHz on bluetooth, without a receiver? Thx for answer.
I've had the same issue. It sounds great when connected via USB-C through the receiver but when connecting via Bluetooth, it sounds so bad it's unusable. I've tried this on several devices and get the same results.
I understand the frustration at the base level, but my experience with the original DJI Mics was that everything I recorded with those ended up going through an Rx post workflow before they ever hit the timeline… I guess I just factored that in as part of the process for saving so much money on the original kit - these aren’t professional mics no matter how they are marketed. And after Rx, those recordings sounded great, used in several commercial gigs for quick run and gun shooting, no issues. IDK, I just think for the price DJI is giving us quite a bit, but their goal is stay pack leader of the disposable cheap Audio Units - to get people away from mounting shotguns on the camera and opening up opportunities for better audio at all levels of play.
Hey @Waynerecs thank you for the video and for the insightful channel. Awesome content. A question: for the people thinking about using a Lav mic on those transmitters, does it make a difference? If they used the same Lav mic on each transmitter, would they sound similar? Thank you!
Before you pointed it out, I didn’t really notice a difference, yes there is one but it’s minimal. I think the real issue is what you’re expecting from a budget, user friendly bit of gear and that people are confusing it with actual pro microphones. Yes, the DJI mics are good quality, yes you can use them for certain levels of professional work which I do BUT only as an all in one, one person budget kit option. The whole kit is around $500 AUS. I’m not expecting top of the line high grade, perfectly balanced pro gear for that price, maybe that’s just me but if I hired a dedicated professional sound recordist for one of my high-end projects and they turned up with a DJI Mic kit as their primary bit of gear… Well like I said I use these types of ‘semi-pro’ units for my budget solo shooter kit as they give very good (not high-level pro) results, and they are very easy to use with lots of handy pro-like features. But never in a million years would I expect them to be top of the line. As an audio professional I’m surprised you did. Not trying to be rude I just think this is expecting way too much… if you bought a top-of-the-line bit of kit like a Shure or Sennheiser etc for $4k or something then that’d be different story. On another note, is it just me or do the new transmitters look really tacky? The see through plastic revealing the inner gadgets is so high tech, for the 1980's that is.
Problem is that DJI is using the word «Pro» in their marketing (and wisely *not* putting it in the product name though ;) - Did a test on these on my channel for the bluetooth connectivity and quality connecting it directly to a smartphone with bluetooth, and that is *definitely* not pro sounding - also you can’t even do the 32 bit float internal recording when connected directly to a smartphone, that was a bummer indeed.
@@AndreSjoberg based on what I've heard in reviews I think I prefer the sound of the Mic 1 so I'm sticking that for now. Let's see what Mic 3 is like...
ISSUE FIX 🙋♂ You have the NOISE REDUCTION ON in one and not the other one. I see the light blinking Yellow/Greeen in the one that you say is muffle. I you have to Tap the power button to enable and disable it. When is disable it turns blue and s more clear.
the blinking light just means it’s not connected to to the DJI receiver, blue steady light only shows bluetooth connection status, green steady light shows dji receiver connection, blue or green slow blinking is searching for a connection, blue or green fast blinking is pair mode searching for a new device/connecting to new device :)
Thank you for your review.. I’m a pro video shooter but bought these for more casual, personal projects. I agree that they are far from pro spec. However, that said, I don’t think they are too bad. The low cut filter is terrible. The file naming is confusing. (Unfathomable) But the audio is probably going to be ok for my needs and I didn’t really hear much difference in your piece until you pointed it out. Once you did of course…. I have a zoom f2 which seems to be just easier all round if you just need a stand alone recorder with 32bf.
Wow, you are really a pro... I didn't hear it at first, but as being an audio enthousiast myself, I started listening to your two recordings in depth and yes... wow, you did discover something there! I would certainly get in contact with DJI as you did. I truly hope that you will get a professional answer from them. You really deserve that. Thank you for sharing!
Thats insane 😐 I wonder if they used completely different hardware on some mics than others. Feels like this shouldn't be a software problem if they run the same firmware. So if the issue is hardware thats serious and can never be fixed. I'm gettin my second mic next week so I will run some tests too.
I'd appreciate hearing your experience! It's definitely a possibility of different batches of TX with different mic capsules, but that's something only DJI would know. Be curious to see if you hear a difference btwn your older unit and new one.
It's a shame that this happened, I just received mine to do a review on my channel and I'm going to test it too. I really like your videos, congratulations.
This explains why there is a mixed bag of reviews for this mic. Some reviews have the mic sounding great and some others, it sounds like there is something covering the mic to make it sound muffled. Sort of like when someone covers the mic on their cell phone. Thanks for this
New Sub here. For almost 3o years I've had to grapple with persistent tinnitus, so when I'm doing sound and video production and without headphones I wouldn't have noticed much if any difference between the two mics. So I appreciate you taking the time to break down and highlight this issue.
I have the mic2 as part of the creator bundle so i obviously dont have this problem, for me i have noticed i have to up the gain on the mic2 to around +8 to get a reasonable audio level in post. Is this normal ?
I’m not an audio expert, but lifelong electronics hobbyist, and I doubt there’s anything in there other than a sub $1, mass produced condenser mic capsule. The device is full of potential though.
Still no one is talking about the cold shoe mount on the Rx. Just slide in and go! No tightening? Is it secure? Is it really not an issue for anyone? Maybe not an issue for a dslr on a tripod, but what about vlogging outdoors?
I can confirm that the cold shoe attached is very secure. Not an issue, But would have liked the same set up.There was not an extra piece provided for attaching USB/USB-C connector. The previous connectors do not work on the new model either. The original included a cold shoe replacement, the new model does not, only one.....
@@nickdoum That’s what I am talking about. I am using several phone clamps with cold shoe mounts. Also my favorite mini (midi?) tripod Ulanzi MT-33 has cold shoe mount on the side but I don’t think it will be safe. At least I don’t think it’s gonna last long.
Another sound engineer is here and I've bought mine couple of hours ago, unfortunately my experience is worse than this. Tx1 and Rx is OK but Tx2 is absolutely deaf... I've started changing process now I hope the new one will be better :) Thanks for the video by the way it's really nice to know I'm not alone :)
I did hear the difference before you said about it, I thought my wire was loose on my headphones as it was muffled on and off. It would annoy me for sure .....
Good job and testing finding this out! It will be interesting to find out how wide spread this is? I have a pocket 3 which came with one mic, I ordered another mic on the 17th when it became available. I also have the new RODE wireless Pro set. I'm now retired, but worked for a major automotive company in NVH sound and vibration. I'm used to using Head Acoustics, LMS, and B & K professional equipment that cost tens of thousands of dollars. And of course, this type of variance is unheard of, but I guess it should for as much as it cost. I've always wondered at the consumer few hundred dollar price point, how accurate, and if they can control the calibration tolerances? Sadly, maybe not? Hopefully we will find out. I commend you for testing and bringing this to light. Like you say, for the majority of casual users it won't matter, but for some of us, it will bug the hell out of us!
Wayne, I've been watching a few of your videos and overall I'm enjoying the fact that you are audio biased. But you can't expect a mass-produced product like this ( the capsule will be less than $2 ) to be anywhere close to perfect. I think you're expecting far too much from it. I did buy one myself to connect directly to my OA4, I will be using a lav (that I know) on it. I'm doing this for pure convenience and then I will be pulling and pushing it in post. As it will be for YT it will be good enough ( I hope). Also just as a pointer if you are going to do tests in the future ( mic to speaker) then I advise making sure that the capsule is 1m away from the speaker and in line with the acoustic centre of the speaker. Where you had the mics so close, you're not giving the sound enough air to open up and the closer drive unit will dominate the readings. I would be happy to chat about it in a DM or a Zoom call with you. But credit to you mate, for being in front of the camera ( i'm still plucking up the balls to do it). None of this is meant as a criticism but as suggestions to make what you're doing even better.
I understand you perfectly, in professional work there are details that can frustrate the expected results, thank you very much for your professional analysis.
You are 100% right, there is a major different between both microphones. The second one is crispier than the first one, but you know? for me both sound bad at the end. I know, its a cheap option but.. those high frecuency sound so fake and over eq to my ear.. I dont like them. I prefer the sound from a sony uwp or the new Deity theos.
How do your other pairs of wireless mics compare to each other? Have you ever tested those? I wonder if it's a common problem not exclusive to the DJI mic 2. Btw, the word pro doesn't really mean as much as it use to.
Good point! I've never noticed it between TX of my other wl sets, but IMO audible differences are not the norm, especially at certain higher price points.
I got lucky with my 2nd mic. They both sound exactly the same. Whether theyre the "dark" or "bright" variety doesnt really matter to me. Im just glad they sound alike.
When I saw all the reviews for this mic pop up in my feed I was excited thinking finally maybe a wireless mic I can try as opposed to my synching in post with an F2 and lav. But, while the reviewers were glowing about the kit my ears were not happy and I couldn't get around the poor or weird or whatever you want to call the sound. Glad at least one review noticed this and pointed out something I didn't notice (but can clearly hear in your video) he disparity between them. I'm not even listening on something high fidelity, I'm on vacation in the Keys using my JBL bluetooth boom box hooked up to the TV with my mac but it's night and day difference. I prefer the brighter of your 2 mics but neither sounded very good to my ears.
Thanks for spotting this . I will now test mine . I am a perfectionist so it concerns me but I am hoping my applications will not need that fidelity so I should be ok . If it is a marked difference on my set however I may return them to DJI with a complaint . I notice that there are much cheaper mike sets like a new one from Newer at $99,, would these be worse because of less expensive components and less quality control ? do you test these ?
Like many others, after you mention it, I cannot unhear. I was just listening on my iPad, so clearly audible. I do think it is too much of a difference… Did you also did a comparison of distortion? I think another distortion could also lead to spectral difference what you found with white noise. I would record some sweeps…
This difference is big enough to be noticable. Even non-matched-pairs of the same microphone will sound closer than these two IMO. This is too different. Although I wonder about what they sound like with lavs plugged in. If they can be matched when an external lav is plugged in then maybe it's not so important. If you want to be really "pro" about it you would want to see if a plugged in lave like a DPA 6060 or Sanken COS-11d sounds good on these. Microphone choice for lavs is a thing in pro location sound. That's what I'm curous about. In the pro area even corporate videos are moving towards hiding lavs, and you can't hide the DJI TXs on a button plackett. Honestly I don't really consider anything 2.4Ghz pro, and most other sound professionals wouldn't either because most of these systems cannot be frequency coordinated. So by design they are excluded from most pro sound mixer bags except for some utility purposes like maybe an IFB or camera hop in a pinch.
My guess would be that the difference comes from the mic membrane/construction, so lavs, if the lavs are of good quality, would probably defeat this problem - it’s a problem with the material/construction of the physical membrane of the microphone part most likely
I’m more interested in the overall sound quality of these mics. Every video I watch comparing these to the Rode Pros, the DJI Mics sound like crap in comparison. I want to know 2 things: 1- can you EQ the mics to sound better in post, or, is the quality so bad it’s just unrecoverable? 2- how does the recording sound with a lav? Side note- super huge giant bummer that there’s no locking mechanism for the lavs. Big win for Rode. I’m bummed because the form factor, screen, and features have an edge over Rode, but if the sound quality is bad, then who cares about features?
Don't think it's an isolated issue Chris. If you watch other reviews, you'll notice the differences in sound for the same product. I just hope DJI recognizes this and fixes it.
Personally, it IS a big issue. That said, I wouldn't expect to take DJI's "Pro audio" claim seriously. In any case, Please redo the test with the Receiver also ON. The receiver ensures that both the transmitters run in sync to the Receiver. They tend to drift otherwise.
After i read so many disrespectfull comments of people with tiktok like attentions spans: i really appreciate you style of making videos - especially you expert oppinion, so do me a favor and dont write scripts or speed up you talling speed or any other suggested action. So sad to see this platform transforming into a short content plattform...
hear the difference, it's really noticeable. I see mine with Lavalier microphones but I'll definitely try them without and compare...Thanks for the video!
It sounds like on the left transmitter the Noise Reduction is on but on the right one it's off. It's a big problem of this mic - it is very easy to switch on the Noise Reduction and your voce can be broken at all by Noise Reduction. I would prefer to switch off the Noise Reduction forever without possibility to switch in on.
Agreed. I'm personally not a fan of built in NR. NR was def not on as the led on both units was green. I did a number of factory resets along with testing with certain settings on/off. Same results. We'll see what happens lol!
@@WayneRECsHi Wayne, thank you for the information. I will test this as soon as my set is complete. By the way, for me the blue LED is on when NR is off. But as long as there is no noticeable background noise there shouldn't be a big difference in audio.
Thank you for sharing this level of analysis with us, as a novice user I likely would have never noticed this difference. You make incredibly valid points and to your point, if they are marketing them as Pro level than they should function as such. My only question to you, and all caveat this that I know nothing about sound, does this happen to other mics as well that are also at a pro level or you think this is unique to this DJI product? Just subscribed. Hopefully I will see your follow up that clarifies this.
Thanks for your comment! Most mic companies have a certain degree of tolerance between any individual mic produced. Though that differs with each company. Matched pairs are sold together and made to be exact matches of each other. The same brand and make of mic can change in sound over time to some degree (often because the Internals become dirty from spit or dust). Even though these DJI mics aren't matched, there's a reasonable expectation that they would sound similar out of the box.
@@WayneRECs Got it. Appreciate the quick response. I just purchased a set myself and how your video ended on my feed(I suppose) :) My application for use will be very different than likely what you will. Specifically, I do all of Motovlogging and I am on a relentless pursuit of the best mic I can use to capture my voice while the sound of the motorcycle. Any and all recommendations are welcomed. 😃 Thx again 👍
I can hear the difference without putting headphones on. It could be something as simple as a cold solder joint on one of the mics. For the price these are and what you're getting, to me it would be a non issue...use it as an advantage. Use the bright mic on lower male voices and dark mic on higher female voices or something like that. The info I've been trying to find is the latency from the transmitter to the reciever. Can't find anyone with this info yet. Thanks for making a video that's not the usual "Best mic ever, here's the same list of specs and same test as the 20 other videos you found."
Additional information for reference: This video was recorded internally on each TX. Lo-Cut: Off. Noise Reduction: Off. 32 BF: On
The TX were not connected to the RX (as indicated by the blinking green LED)
No post processing was added during editing.
Both TX Gain set to +9 dB
Wind muffs were used for plosive taming. Frequency Analyses were conducted with no Wind Muffs attached.
if you're connecting the tx to the rx, what will be your gain setting for the rx and will the tx still be set on +9 gain?
what is the "preferred mic"?
dji mic does not record at 32 floating bits internally, it only records at 24, to record at 32 you must use the transmitter
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@WayneRECs Have you tried using a lav with both transmitters (the same lav for both) to be sure it is just the internal mic? If they still sound different it might be something else.
Not according to their literature. Are you in possession of these microphones? @@danielniza_
Video starts at 4:18
Blessed that I scrolled to the comments to see this...
You have a major problem in that it took you over 1/4 of the video to even hint at the "MAJOR" issue. 🤣
To anybody that's saying they can't hear the difference...
Are you listening to this on your phone/laptop speakers or are you listening to it through a proper set of external speakers?
There is a MASSIVE difference in audio quality between the 2 mics which I don't think any onboard device speakers are able to properly output.
I find the same issue after analyse the signature of mine 😡 it is a very big issue for me 😞
💯🙏🏾 for your video and explanations .
Maybe you had one of them on noise cancelling? Yes, I do hear a difference
Toytally agree with Wayne. This is a widespread problem. I have three of the new TX's (two purchased with a the RX and a previous one as part of the Osmo Pocket 3 creator kit). There is wide variation between how each of the three sounds, with two being 'dull, muffled' and lacking in HF response. The other is 'thin' sounding. There are also audible artefacts at times during recording, to the point that it sounds as if some NR was in use, but in fact, was not. It was turned off. Also, if you do a test recording of a 1kHz sine wave, every few seconds there is a 'blip' in volume, as if some kind of auto compression was in use. That, by the way, is not an academic issue - it would affect a recording of a violin, or any continuous tone. I reported that to DJI weeks ago. Curtis Judd has also tested a set and found such serious issues he suspended his review to give them a chance to fix it all... they say a firmware fix is coming, but I suspect there are hardware issues in play here too. Possibly poor QC of the mic capsules.
FYI - Curtis Judd just published a video about his malfunctioning transmitter as well. This may be a MUCH bigger problem than anyone realizes - at least with the first shipment. Somewhat reminiscent of the first DJI Action 3's that got shipped with terrible close focusing.
The action 3 issue was never fixed either. Just some firmware to add artificial sharpening. ugh.
i thought the reveal of the issue would come in season 3!!!
video starts at @4:20, the issue is that they sound different
My biggest gripe with the DJI mic 2 is the Bluetooth codec used on third party... I did a test on my channel, and the audio quality is subpar when used with mobile devices. Great unit for 1st party usage, but bad for 3rd party. The audio cuts after 9khz when using bluetooth
@ataaaaas says he gets 16kHz on mac mini bluetooth.
If it is like BT earbuds, the source and target broadcast to each other what parameters (codecs, bit-depth, stereo (M/S) modes, bit-pool, sample frequency, bit-rate) they each support and negotiate. Some devices are rather 'conservative' and play it safe (for range & reliability), or are old enough to not support newer expectations.
Some Qualcomm devices support "aptX Adaptive" which includes " aptX Voice" for mics.
"aptX Voice supports 32 kHz sampling audio with a smooth 16 kHz frequency response"
Apple tends to prefer AAC. DJI use AAC in recorded files - they might well support AAC over BT?
You might find a BlueTooth dongle that works better than built-in BT.
Might need 'OTG' on a phone/tablet?
BlueTooth is plug-and-play, but doesn't give best results unless both sides support the same tech.
On Windows, BlueToothGoodies have a 'tweak' app that lets you see how you connect, and an 'Alternative A2DP' driver that lets you control the connection. Not sure if it is just output, or mic input, too.
i think an even larger problem that no one is talking about is the lack of timcode on a "pro" device. i was suprised when i got mine to not see anything in the reciever menu, documentation, and even called support and got no answers. the rode wireless pro has it, i wrongly assumed the mic 2 would as well.
How long can you talk before you get to the point?
Yes
Your video blew my mind. I watched another intro video of this product. Guess what? I noticed the difference between the microphones and I couldn't figure it out. Then This Video Came up and Boom! I get it. Thank you so much for posting this and also for the audio comparison. Have a great week, just subscribed!
curtis judd also said same thing, sound is missing huge parts of frequency range and dji have said they are addressing it, can't trust a brand that releases stuff without it being ready and almost all UA-cam influencers have no knowledge on sound or video for that matter so just say anything to sell. Well done on showing the fault
Whelp you got my HR up a little bit. Paused this & ran down stairs to test mine (Ordered 1/17 at 8:03est, NJ warehouse). Luckily both of mine sound the same & are not muffled. Im sorry to hear you got a muffled one, at least one isn't... bright side for now🤷♂. I did start to watch videos after placing my order & could hear that difference with some of there but not all the time so I thought it was a setting issue or something. This is a great catch, hopefully you can get it "fixed"
"Bright side..." I see what you did there lol! Thanks for sharing your experience! Glad to hear yours sound closer to each other than mine! We'll see how this all plays out eventually lol!
You never mentioned which was set to 24 bit and which was set to 32 bit float? The brighter mic was which setting?
Thanks for the video. Now I understand the "problem". Another UA-camr also pointed this out (he sent me the link to you), but I couldn't identify the problem. Because he only used one of the 2 microphones and simply says it doesn't sound good. With you I understood the audiophile circumstances. But you actually already provide many explanations yourself as to why it won't be crucial for most content creators (including me). I am also a musician, own a studio and am a filmmaker. I edit every interview, so it doesn't matter to me which mic I use to boost the highs or cut the mids. Since the human voice can sound "mushy" or very high-pitched and comes from the body in very different ways, the matter is not a problem for me. But still good to have understood the problem through you. This basically made me aware of a problem that I will continue to observe (also with other sets). You have a great way of explaining things in an understandable way. Do you think DJI can fix this with an update?
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Wow. You’ve got some cranky commenters. 🙂
I appreciate your videos (this is the second UA-cam has suggested to me).
lol, no kidding! They say the best YT videos elicit an emotional response... so I guess I did a good job lol!
Come-on, that’s 5 minutes of my life I’ll never get back!🫤
15 min is a long time for this. Should be 3 minutes. get to the point lol
Curtis Judd discovered there is an issue with the devices that DJI have confirmed and will be releasing a Firmware Upgrade. This might be the issue?
He gets to the point at 4:19.
Great video, Wayne. I did some tests because I noticed the darkness of my DJI Mic 2 when compared to the built-in microphones of my Osmo Pocket 3. I wasn’t sure if the issue was the capsule of the DJI Mic 2 or the transmitter itself. I connected my Rode wireless lav 2 to the DJI Mic 2 transmitter and noticed immediately that it was brighter and crisper. I also did a side-by-side test with the Rode wireless lav 2 connected to both the DJI Mic 2 and the Rode wireless go 2 transmitter. They sounded identical to my ears so to the best of my discernment it seems it’s a capsule issue with the DJI Mic 2. I think that’s why it seems almost universal in the comments of people that have compared the Rode wireless pro to the DJI Mic 2 that most everyone says the Rode sounds better. My current work around is plugging a Edutige ETM-001 TRS mic to my DJI Mic 2. It sounds great and still retains the compactness element. I hope DJI does a better job with its capsules in the future.
IMO, these built-in mics on these transmitter units should lean brighter to offset bass frequencies from people's chests. If it is a widespread capsule issue, I'm not sure how DJI would fix it, especially as many would not be able to self identify if their unit was defective. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. My units def sounded the same with external mics connected.
@@WayneRECs Wayne, it would be great if you could start a Reddit post about this on the DJI group and see how many people chime in.
As a video production team, this is definitely a great test and information you provided. Thank you so much for the effort in this video.
I will add: we're currently living in a time where ai software is being implemented anywhere possible. It's possible that there is some AI tech in the mics software. This then causes each mic to evaluate your environment differently, resulting in a different sound. The mic could be making that choice for you natively in its software. (even with noise cancel off).
In any case, raising this issue could be the spring board to a great firmware update. Thanks again ✊
Dude, not acceptable to take 5 minutes to get to the point. I know you need retention but this is not the way to it
Well congrats . With one price paid, you receive two audio tastes!!
Thank you so much for doing this video! You're the only person so far who has openly called this out!
DJI should really do a product recall. At this price range - it's simply not ok to release sub par products.
I was beginning to get extremely frustrated at all the other YT'ers that either ignorantly sang the praises of this muffled mic or just outright ignored it all together.
Thank you for such an honest & independant review.
Thank you again!
Did you check this difference about 24B and 32BF for BOTH of your microphones... in other words did you change the BF internally from one to the other and then check again? Just to know if both microphones are behaving identical...
This explains why the DJI mic I got with my pocket 3 sounds really bad. It sounds so muddy and muffled compared to the mics I normally use. Thanks for this video i'm going to email DJI and see if I can get another mic sent out.
Same prob with my dji mic shipped with my pocket 3 - sound really horrible, even with my untrained ears
hey, did you ever get it replaced? I'm thinking of doing the same.
Ok. I only noticed it when you mentioned it. The difference is minimal. At least when I look at it on my iPhone without headphones. But precisely because you noticed it, I find you even more likeable. Very authentic. And it's clear that you have your own view of things that can't be copied. Thank you, keep up the good work. 🤗
Thanks Alex! I've always appreciated your support over the years! I only noticed it because I have 2 units to directly compare. Had I gone with a single TX, you'd probably be watching a very different video from me right now lol!
That is significant difference.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who hears it!
Have you noticed the quality is SIGNIFICANTLY worse when connected via Bluetooth vs. the receiver? Mine is a HUGE difference!
that's a limitation of bluetooth and to be expected.
WOW - really good catch here. I assume running the same lavs into either one would produce the same sound from both - if its an inbuilt mic problem on the transmitters themselves? We just received a set today and I'm not in love with the sound quality out of either, if I'm being honest.
That's a great point! @waynerecs - can you try using a lav to see if it's the way that the physical mic pics things up or if its the audio processing after the signal is picked up?
listening to it on my Adam A7x studio monitors it is a very noticeable difference. Did you buy them separate, the pocket 3 kit, or the 2TX + 1 RX + charging kit? I actually noticed the one that came with my pocket 3 to be really muffled too.
DJI products often have quality consistency issues. Action 3 focus issue, then Pocket 3 rotating screen issue.
same with their drones.
E.g. the Mini 3 Pro. Some had issues with their lenses being decentral or showing fogging.
Not a big deal for my use. I was using an Action 4 with Rode Reciever plugged in which is probably fine for most people but my models handle the action camera and the wire or adapter can make it awkward as I have to instruct not to knock it off or break it. The DJI Bluetooth mode solved this for me and works great. For my S52 I use both mics merged so the difference in the mics is not an issue for me but I agree that much variation is not what I would consider pro but to be honest I always saw these devices as Prosumer and not full Pro devices. It is good information but like you said the majority of people will not care about this. I love how I can switch from Bluetooth to receiver connections on the fly so I can use both for the S52 and Quickly switch modes and it pairs to my Action 4 on the fly. Opening the case and everything just works. Also, all the info on the receiver is amazing. I missed backups on my Rode Go II a few times since I had no idea it was off after an update, The DJI shows me everything it is doing. Even the Transmitter lights are more informative than my Go 2. Based on all the reviews The Rode Wireless Pro is closer to a pro-level device with Timecode, more storage, better quality audio, locking plugs, etc but for my use, the DJI was an easy decision. Even the storage limits are no issue for me as I only do 3-5hr shoots and I dump my devices to 2 backups after every shoot so I can format and be ready for the next shoot.
If I was doing weddings, 2-person interviews, and shoots for more than 8hrs I would pick the Rode hands down it is what event videographers crave. DJI mic 2 will do those things but if you do not need the flexibility of the DJI mic-2 it is a no-brainer to pick the rode.
Dude, just turn off the low pass filter. It’s easy as that, simple…done
Just to confirm, I can hear the difference on my iPhone 15 Pro speakers, but my daughter cannot.
Also, Curtis Judd found a random bug with the beeping. I’ll hold off on getting one because now it seems rushed to put the units out in the market.
Yes, you are right - when you said it, it's audible - though I guess I wouldn't be bothered by it. Let's see if DJI will fix it. Awesome care for detail!
Like I said, for many people it might not matter. I probably wouldn't have noticed myself if I wasn't a nerd about testing mics lol!
Is this the dji combo or did you just buy a second transmitter? It could also be a potential phase issue since you are recording simultaneously. I would expect them to be the same in different positions. Also check that the noise cancellation isn’t enabled.
Great catch. I have to admit that even with headphones on, I didn't catch the difference until you pointed it out - at which point it was more obvious. I conduct interviews professionally and currently use dji wireless mics (version 1) regularly. My mic 2's are on the way. I don't think the average person watching the end product on social media would be able to tell tbh... and what about using lav mics attached? Any difference? i'll be sure and check when mine arrive, though. Love your channel, thank you!
Thanks for your comment! I think using an external mic is a work around here so if that is your setup, I don't think you'd have any issues. But I would be interested in hearing if you hear any difference when you get your units!
will report back in this thread...they're currently on a UPS truck stuck in a snowstorm lol@@WayneRECs
There's definitely a difference. Truth be told in your video, when listening on speakers, it was harder to pick up on. I think it all depends on what the content is and where it's being delivered/shown. My UA-cam co-host has a DJI Mic 2 that came with the DJI Pocket 3. Immediately I thought it sounded odd and just assumed it was the noise-reduction software. After Curtis Judd mentioned issues with the DJI Mic 2, I investigated turning off the noise-reduction on the Pocket 3 using the Pocket 3's interface. Still didn't sound great. But, my ears are more attuned to weird stuff like that. Most people don't care. Bugs me though for sure. That said, even on Curtis Judd's video, when he illustrated there was an issue, I wasn't 100% sure what he was talking about initially as he just showed test samples and didn't spell out the problem.
They DID sound differently.
Wayne, great work man, awesome professional analysis. I've been watching reviews of the DJI Mic 2 and you just confirmed what I was "hearing". THE MICS SOUND DIFFERENT. Huge problem IMO. Please upload a video once you get an answer from DJI. Subscribed.
Can you share what is the plate setup that you used to position those mics at an angle? Looking for something like that for my video rig. Thanks for the video!
Whenever there is a mic comparison video and you guys say we need to put on good headphones to hear the difference, I often can't really hear much if any difference between mics, so I'm obviously not an audiophile. But this time, I could hear the difference even on my cheap computer speakers.
I've watched a few DJI Mic 2 vs Rode Wireless Pro comparisons (David Manning, Peter Lindgren, Potato Jet, Tony Northrup) on UA-cam and I noticed the Mic 2 often sounds more processed, dare I say even slightly muffled compared to the Rode and sometimes even compared to the Mic 1. It's like even with the noise cancellation off, it's still doing a bit of noise cancellation or some sort of processing. I'm not sure if this is because of the mics, the recorder, or the deadcats, but it is there. This could be related to your issue. Let me know what you think. Keep up the great work!
absolutely agree with you: they are doing some processing even with switched off noise canceling. And I think that why they have perfect Noise Level....
One of them has the noise cancelation effect turned on, that's what he hears.
It's for outside use to cancel wind or car noise.
Yes I can hear the difference and your description is spot on: one is darker the other is brighter. Maybe DJI will address this in a firmware update?
Never going to get any free pre-release from DJI now or ever for you, that means I get a person I can trust. great work ;)
The brighter mic actually sounds decent, similar to the DJI Mic 1. I most comparisons to the Rode Wireless Pro the DJI Mic 2 just sounds awful. It also has clock and latency issues unlike the Rode.
This video could have been 2 minutes... Too many unnecessary words...
Agreed, also, in most scenarios you’re going to be recording two different elements but good to know, I guess. Curious to know if the same thing happens with 2 lavalieres plugged in.
So what's the issue exactly? I dont wanna waste time watching this video
Agreed
'too many' You're welcome.
I thought his cat just died. This guys has the most sensitive ears in humanity
How did you can open Adobe Audition 3.0 on WIndows 10? i getting runtime error when i want to open it...
Thanks for the info! You are right - DJI should not label them “pro”, if your tests reflect a quality control issue. I ordered the mic 2, and I don’t think such differences will matter much to me (not a pro). I will have to see when the set arrives - my use case would be one mic per person, and since every voice is different, I am doubtful of any significant impact to the outcome.
Mic 1 sounds 100x better. It’s sad all the influencers & UA-camrs are paid ad for companies. Thanks for being unbiased
Maybe I'll have to grab a Mic 1 for myself... NGL, the ability to connect the Mic 2 directly to DJI cameras was a big selling point for me (that I'm willing to compromise audio quality for).
Watching other comparisons between the DJI Mic 2 and the Rode Wireless Pro I first thought the DJI was waaayyy darker and muddy compared to the Rode, then watching another comparison the DJI sounded a tad brighter. Not scientific, but this could explain why I was noticing this.
WOW! There is a distinct difference between the two units. This wouldn't be an issue for my particular applications however, I could certainly see how this could be a potential problem for others. Thanks Wayne, your attention to detail is impeccable.
I think for a lot of people, it would easily go unnoticed. Especially in certain environments and certain mic placements. But for me, I really value consistency with my audio gear so hearing the difference was like a splinter in my mind lol!
Something like 15% of all tech has problems... it's very possible you got a bad unit. You should probably return it and get a new unit before your return window closes. I'll be checking this out on my set too. I do however find the Mic 1 sounds better than the Mic 2 in a lot of the reviews though.
Im connected my mic2 only in bluetooth for my mac mini and sound awful. The mic only connected for 16kHz record, and sounds terrible. Do you have issue for upgrade this 16kHz to 48kHz on bluetooth, without a receiver? Thx for answer.
I've had the same issue. It sounds great when connected via USB-C through the receiver but when connecting via Bluetooth, it sounds so bad it's unusable. I've tried this on several devices and get the same results.
I could hear the difference in your examples… would have been a dealbreaker for me, but got mine a couple of days ago 😐
I understand the frustration at the base level, but my experience with the original DJI Mics was that everything I recorded with those ended up going through an Rx post workflow before they ever hit the timeline… I guess I just factored that in as part of the process for saving so much money on the original kit - these aren’t professional mics no matter how they are marketed. And after Rx, those recordings sounded great, used in several commercial gigs for quick run and gun shooting, no issues. IDK, I just think for the price DJI is giving us quite a bit, but their goal is stay pack leader of the disposable cheap Audio Units - to get people away from mounting shotguns on the camera and opening up opportunities for better audio at all levels of play.
Hey @Waynerecs thank you for the video and for the insightful channel. Awesome content. A question: for the people thinking about using a Lav mic on those transmitters, does it make a difference? If they used the same Lav mic on each transmitter, would they sound similar? Thank you!
I just did a video on a lav mic with this unit. I'll say all lavs aren't equal and DJI defiantly didn't put this info out..
Before you pointed it out, I didn’t really notice a difference, yes there is one but it’s minimal. I think the real issue is what you’re expecting from a budget, user friendly bit of gear and that people are confusing it with actual pro microphones. Yes, the DJI mics are good quality, yes you can use them for certain levels of professional work which I do BUT only as an all in one, one person budget kit option.
The whole kit is around $500 AUS. I’m not expecting top of the line high grade, perfectly balanced pro gear for that price, maybe that’s just me but if I hired a dedicated professional sound recordist for one of my high-end projects and they turned up with a DJI Mic kit as their primary bit of gear…
Well like I said I use these types of ‘semi-pro’ units for my budget solo shooter kit as they give very good (not high-level pro) results, and they are very easy to use with lots of handy pro-like features. But never in a million years would I expect them to be top of the line. As an audio professional I’m surprised you did. Not trying to be rude I just think this is expecting way too much… if you bought a top-of-the-line bit of kit like a Shure or Sennheiser etc for $4k or something then that’d be different story.
On another note, is it just me or do the new transmitters look really tacky? The see through plastic revealing the inner gadgets is so high tech, for the 1980's that is.
Problem is that DJI is using the word «Pro» in their marketing (and wisely *not* putting it in the product name though ;) - Did a test on these on my channel for the bluetooth connectivity and quality connecting it directly to a smartphone with bluetooth, and that is *definitely* not pro sounding - also you can’t even do the 32 bit float internal recording when connected directly to a smartphone, that was a bummer indeed.
@@AndreSjoberg based on what I've heard in reviews I think I prefer the sound of the Mic 1 so I'm sticking that for now. Let's see what Mic 3 is like...
ISSUE FIX 🙋♂ You have the NOISE REDUCTION ON in one and not the other one. I see the light blinking Yellow/Greeen in the one that you say is muffle. I you have to Tap the power button to enable and disable it. When is disable it turns blue and s more clear.
Nope, NR was off. The LED blinks green when set to connect to the RX. Blue is BT mode. Blue & Green sound the same when recording internally.
@@WayneRECs You sure? Hmmmm I had the same issue but when i did that it fixed it. Ill have to double check. THANK YOU!
the blinking light just means it’s not connected to to the DJI receiver, blue steady light only shows bluetooth connection status, green steady light shows dji receiver connection, blue or green slow blinking is searching for a connection, blue or green fast blinking is pair mode searching for a new device/connecting to new device :)
I can even hear it on my pixel 8 pro speaker. Hope they fix it with an update. I wish there was an app to tweak the sound
Thank you for your review.. I’m a pro video shooter but bought these for more casual, personal projects. I agree that they are far from pro spec. However, that said, I don’t think they are too bad. The low cut filter is terrible. The file naming is confusing. (Unfathomable) But the audio is probably going to be ok for my needs and I didn’t really hear much difference in your piece until you pointed it out. Once you did of course…. I have a zoom f2 which seems to be just easier all round if you just need a stand alone recorder with 32bf.
Wow, you are really a pro... I didn't hear it at first, but as being an audio enthousiast myself, I started listening to your two recordings in depth and yes... wow, you did discover something there! I would certainly get in contact with DJI as you did. I truly hope that you will get a professional answer from them. You really deserve that. Thank you for sharing!
Thats insane 😐 I wonder if they used completely different hardware on some mics than others. Feels like this shouldn't be a software problem if they run the same firmware.
So if the issue is hardware thats serious and can never be fixed. I'm gettin my second mic next week so I will run some tests too.
I'd appreciate hearing your experience! It's definitely a possibility of different batches of TX with different mic capsules, but that's something only DJI would know. Be curious to see if you hear a difference btwn your older unit and new one.
@@WayneRECs I sent you an e-mail about this.
It's a shame that this happened, I just received mine to do a review on my channel and I'm going to test it too.
I really like your videos, congratulations.
This explains why there is a mixed bag of reviews for this mic. Some reviews have the mic sounding great and some others, it sounds like there is something covering the mic to make it sound muffled. Sort of like when someone covers the mic on their cell phone. Thanks for this
New Sub here. For almost 3o years I've had to grapple with persistent tinnitus, so when I'm doing sound and video production and without headphones I wouldn't have noticed much if any difference between the two mics. So I appreciate you taking the time to break down and highlight this issue.
I have the mic2 as part of the creator bundle so i obviously dont have this problem, for me i have noticed i have to up the gain on the mic2 to around +8 to get a reasonable audio level in post. Is this normal ?
I’m not an audio expert, but lifelong electronics hobbyist, and I doubt there’s anything in there other than a sub $1, mass produced condenser mic capsule. The device is full of potential though.
Still no one is talking about the cold shoe mount on the Rx. Just slide in and go! No tightening? Is it secure? Is it really not an issue for anyone? Maybe not an issue for a dslr on a tripod, but what about vlogging outdoors?
I can confirm that the cold shoe attached is very secure. Not an issue, But would have liked the same set up.There was not an extra piece provided for attaching USB/USB-C connector. The previous connectors do not work on the new model either. The original included a cold shoe replacement, the new model does not, only one.....
Does not work on a cage cold shoe, slides straight through the other side
@@nickdoum That’s what I am talking about. I am using several phone clamps with cold shoe mounts. Also my favorite mini (midi?) tripod Ulanzi MT-33 has cold shoe mount on the side but I don’t think it will be safe. At least I don’t think it’s gonna last long.
@@nickdoum Works fine with the GoPro
Hero 11 Media Mod. Slides in and locks on top and right side w/o issue from my testing
Slides onto my camera snug with no issues so far
Another sound engineer is here and I've bought mine couple of hours ago, unfortunately my experience is worse than this. Tx1 and Rx is OK but Tx2 is absolutely deaf... I've started changing process now I hope the new one will be better :) Thanks for the video by the way it's really nice to know I'm not alone :)
I did hear the difference before you said about it, I thought my wire was loose on my headphones as it was muffled on and off. It would annoy me for sure .....
WOW. Great scoop Wayne! When you said "difference" you did NOT overstate it. Sounds like 2 totally different mics!
It almost makes me want to go back and re-watch the initial review videos with a critical ear. Almost. lol
Thank you for your presentation. My I make a suggestion? have you performed the same type of tests on the old mics ? for a comparison in sounds?
Good job and testing finding this out! It will be interesting to find out how wide spread this is? I have a pocket 3 which came with one mic, I ordered another mic on the 17th when it became available. I also have the new RODE wireless Pro set. I'm now retired, but worked for a major automotive company in NVH sound and vibration. I'm used to using Head Acoustics, LMS, and B & K professional equipment that cost tens of thousands of dollars. And of course, this type of variance is unheard of, but I guess it should for as much as it cost. I've always wondered at the consumer few hundred dollar price point, how accurate, and if they can control the calibration tolerances? Sadly, maybe not? Hopefully we will find out. I commend you for testing and bringing this to light. Like you say, for the majority of casual users it won't matter, but for some of us, it will bug the hell out of us!
Wayne, I've been watching a few of your videos and overall I'm enjoying the fact that you are audio biased. But you can't expect a mass-produced product like this ( the capsule will be less than $2 ) to be anywhere close to perfect. I think you're expecting far too much from it. I did buy one myself to connect directly to my OA4, I will be using a lav (that I know) on it. I'm doing this for pure convenience and then I will be pulling and pushing it in post. As it will be for YT it will be good enough ( I hope). Also just as a pointer if you are going to do tests in the future ( mic to speaker) then I advise making sure that the capsule is 1m away from the speaker and in line with the acoustic centre of the speaker. Where you had the mics so close, you're not giving the sound enough air to open up and the closer drive unit will dominate the readings. I would be happy to chat about it in a DM or a Zoom call with you. But credit to you mate, for being in front of the camera ( i'm still plucking up the balls to do it). None of this is meant as a criticism but as suggestions to make what you're doing even better.
Bro i could tell even without headphones or studio monitors, just basic iphone speakers and i still could tell. This issue has to be addressed asap
I understand you perfectly, in professional work there are details that can frustrate the expected results, thank you very much for your professional analysis.
You are 100% right, there is a major different between both microphones. The second one is crispier than the first one, but you know? for me both sound bad at the end. I know, its a cheap option but.. those high frecuency sound so fake and over eq to my ear.. I dont like them. I prefer the sound from a sony uwp or the new Deity theos.
How do your other pairs of wireless mics compare to each other? Have you ever tested those? I wonder if it's a common problem not exclusive to the DJI mic 2. Btw, the word pro doesn't really mean as much as it use to.
Good point! I've never noticed it between TX of my other wl sets, but IMO audible differences are not the norm, especially at certain higher price points.
@@WayneRECs I've only ordered a single white transmitter for my OA4 so I won't be able to compare.
You’re gonna make me run a whole new series of test on my DJI Mic 2 vs la Mic 1 😅
I'd be really curious to see your results! More content for everyone lol!
I totally hear the difference.
I got lucky with my 2nd mic. They both sound exactly the same. Whether theyre the "dark" or "bright" variety doesnt really matter to me. Im just glad they sound alike.
When I saw all the reviews for this mic pop up in my feed I was excited thinking finally maybe a wireless mic I can try as opposed to my synching in post with an F2 and lav. But, while the reviewers were glowing about the kit my ears were not happy and I couldn't get around the poor or weird or whatever you want to call the sound. Glad at least one review noticed this and pointed out something I didn't notice (but can clearly hear in your video) he disparity between them. I'm not even listening on something high fidelity, I'm on vacation in the Keys using my JBL bluetooth boom box hooked up to the TV with my mac but it's night and day difference. I prefer the brighter of your 2 mics but neither sounded very good to my ears.
Thanks for spotting this . I will now test mine . I am a perfectionist so it concerns me but I am hoping my applications will not need that fidelity so I should be ok . If it is a marked difference on my set however I may return them to DJI with a complaint . I notice that there are much cheaper mike sets like a new one from Newer at $99,, would these be worse because of less expensive components and less quality control ? do you test these ?
Like many others, after you mention it, I cannot unhear. I was just listening on my iPad, so clearly audible. I do think it is too much of a difference… Did you also did a comparison of distortion? I think another distortion could also lead to spectral difference what you found with white noise. I would record some sweeps…
I am a DoP and even I HEAR the difference with the Units you have... yeah the guy that says " I only know enough about sound to be dangerous " -
Thanks for bringing this to light. I would like to know any updates you hear from DJI on this.
I fucking love this guy
This difference is big enough to be noticable. Even non-matched-pairs of the same microphone will sound closer than these two IMO. This is too different. Although I wonder about what they sound like with lavs plugged in. If they can be matched when an external lav is plugged in then maybe it's not so important. If you want to be really "pro" about it you would want to see if a plugged in lave like a DPA 6060 or Sanken COS-11d sounds good on these. Microphone choice for lavs is a thing in pro location sound. That's what I'm curous about. In the pro area even corporate videos are moving towards hiding lavs, and you can't hide the DJI TXs on a button plackett. Honestly I don't really consider anything 2.4Ghz pro, and most other sound professionals wouldn't either because most of these systems cannot be frequency coordinated. So by design they are excluded from most pro sound mixer bags except for some utility purposes like maybe an IFB or camera hop in a pinch.
My guess would be that the difference comes from the mic membrane/construction, so lavs, if the lavs are of good quality, would probably defeat this problem - it’s a problem with the material/construction of the physical membrane of the microphone part most likely
I’m more interested in the overall sound quality of these mics. Every video I watch comparing these to the Rode Pros, the DJI Mics sound like crap in comparison. I want to know 2 things: 1- can you EQ the mics to sound better in post, or, is the quality so bad it’s just unrecoverable? 2- how does the recording sound with a lav?
Side note- super huge giant bummer that there’s no locking mechanism for the lavs. Big win for Rode.
I’m bummed because the form factor, screen, and features have an edge over Rode, but if the sound quality is bad, then who cares about features?
Heard it immediately. Great catch. So the question now becomes, did you get a bad set or is this a legit issue?
Don't think it's an isolated issue Chris. If you watch other reviews, you'll notice the differences in sound for the same product. I just hope DJI recognizes this and fixes it.
Personally, it IS a big issue.
That said, I wouldn't expect to take DJI's "Pro audio" claim seriously.
In any case, Please redo the test with the Receiver also ON.
The receiver ensures that both the transmitters run in sync to the Receiver.
They tend to drift otherwise.
After i read so many disrespectfull comments of people with tiktok like attentions spans: i really appreciate you style of making videos - especially you expert oppinion, so do me a favor and dont write scripts or speed up you talling speed or any other suggested action. So sad to see this platform transforming into a short content plattform...
hear the difference, it's really noticeable. I see mine with Lavalier microphones but I'll definitely try them without and compare...Thanks for the video!
I can clearly hear the difference between the two on headphones. ( headphones that came with samsung note 9/Akg)
It sounds like on the left transmitter the Noise Reduction is on but on the right one it's off.
It's a big problem of this mic - it is very easy to switch on the Noise Reduction and your voce can be broken at all by Noise Reduction. I would prefer to switch off the Noise Reduction forever without possibility to switch in on.
Agreed. I'm personally not a fan of built in NR. NR was def not on as the led on both units was green. I did a number of factory resets along with testing with certain settings on/off. Same results. We'll see what happens lol!
@@WayneRECsHi Wayne, thank you for the information. I will test this as soon as my set is complete.
By the way, for me the blue LED is on when NR is off. But as long as there is no noticeable background noise there shouldn't be a big difference in audio.
Thank you for sharing this level of analysis with us, as a novice user I likely would have never noticed this difference. You make incredibly valid points and to your point, if they are marketing them as Pro level than they should function as such. My only question to you, and all caveat this that I know nothing about sound, does this happen to other mics as well that are also at a pro level or you think this is unique to this DJI product? Just subscribed. Hopefully I will see your follow up that clarifies this.
Thanks for your comment! Most mic companies have a certain degree of tolerance between any individual mic produced. Though that differs with each company. Matched pairs are sold together and made to be exact matches of each other. The same brand and make of mic can change in sound over time to some degree (often because the Internals become dirty from spit or dust). Even though these DJI mics aren't matched, there's a reasonable expectation that they would sound similar out of the box.
@@WayneRECs Got it. Appreciate the quick response. I just purchased a set myself and how your video ended on my feed(I suppose) :) My application for use will be very different than likely what you will. Specifically, I do all of Motovlogging and I am on a relentless pursuit of the best mic I can use to capture my voice while the sound of the motorcycle. Any and all recommendations are welcomed. 😃 Thx again 👍
I can hear the difference without putting headphones on. It could be something as simple as a cold solder joint on one of the mics.
For the price these are and what you're getting, to me it would be a non issue...use it as an advantage. Use the bright mic on lower male voices and dark mic on higher female voices or something like that.
The info I've been trying to find is the latency from the transmitter to the reciever. Can't find anyone with this info yet.
Thanks for making a video that's not the usual "Best mic ever, here's the same list of specs and same test as the 20 other videos you found."