My problem is that everyone said Justin Fields was the problem. Fast forward to now and nothing has changed. At all. Justin did better with a worse Bears team than Caleb has all season with the current roster. That's abysmal. Bears don't know what they're doing and it shows.
Fields biggest problem was his fumbling issues. His speed made the O line numbers look better than they actually were. I do think Caleb was an upgrade but the way people treated Justin when he was here was bullshit.
Justin was fun to watch, but was not the answer. Outside of rushing yards, TD’s, and sacks. Caleb has better numbers than Justin had in his best season for the Bears. Caleb has a better completion %, more passing yards, needs one TD to tie Justin’s 17 in his sophomore season. Caleb has 4 less interceptions than Justin. Far less fumbles, and only 3 more sacks. Problem is we overhyped Caleb, and can’t understand why he hasn’t won 10 Super Bowls, 99 mvp’s, 20 rookie of the year’s by now idiocies.
Fields always ranked bottom third in things like scoring, turnover ratio, and yards. Fields still deserves criticism because that offense always sucked. Even with a solid defense last year, they still lost 10 games.
Fields isn't the guy, he got beaten out by an aging russell wilson who looks good at best. He was able to hide the bad o line well because he can run so well. There was a lot of times hed just take off without even seeing if his o line collapsed
I'm not surprised that a rookie QB whose head coach lost the locker room and got fired and whose o-line is letting him get demolished every other play lacks confidence
With Caleb, all the Bears need is an O Line. But the thing is, it was our biggest need when Mitch was here, and we never took care of it. It was our biggest need when Justin was here, and we never took care of it. Now Poles is here and he had the chance to sign one or two good O Linemen, and he chose to give that money to Keenan Allen who's dropping more passes than I've ever seen a veteran WR drop. We didn't need him, we needed to protect our rookie QB from getting obliterated in the pocket, and Poles chose to ignore that need. If he does get fired, that's going to be the reason why. Doesn't matter how good your QB is and how good your WRs are when your QB doesn't have the time in the pocket to find those WRs. And it's sad because Caleb has had a decent rookie season statistically. 17 TDs to only 5 INTs, holds the rookie record for most passes thrown without an INT (it's been about 7 weeks since he's thrown one), 3000 passing yards with 3 games left and 500 rushing yards. Not a bad season for a rookie, but it makes you wonder how much better the season would've been for Caleb if he had even a decent O Line in pass protection. The fact that he's not injured is a miracle with some of the hits he's taken.
O-line is important, however, if you keep defending bad QB play by blaming the line.... At a certain point, a QB just has to be able to suck it up and start making plays even if the line is shaky.
Rarely do good O linemen drop on the free agent market very long. They are a rare commodity. That means you have to draft them and Poles doesn't draft well at all. What stellar amazing picks has he made? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
@@Backseatsman1 he has no choice but to "hold on too long" when too long is 1.5 seconds, especially with a terribly coordinated offense that insists on only running long development plays
@@chuggingtar Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. I think it might literally be an avg of 1.5 seconds before the o line breaks and Caleb's gotta throw or take the sack. It's tough to watch.
He doesn’t suck. 17 tds and 5 ints with 3k yards and 500 rushing yards is far from “sucking”. He’s also led 4 two game winnings drives that the bears blew every time. He is the only rookie qb who gets mass hate. This narrative that he’s a bust is from people that hate him for no reason
Keeping Justin would have been an okay option but then we would have had to pay him as well as develop him which we clearly weren't doing in the first place based off his first 3 years. There were many games when were were down in the 4th and it looked like we could come back just for Justin to either fumble or miss an open read in the middle as well. It is concerning that Caleb has started to miss some open reads but it's still his rookie year and I pray they can develop him and get him a better o line. Being in a conference where the other 3 teams are all 10+ wins doesn't help either as there's no room for mistake really but this season should have just been a rebuild/development in the first place instead of the media hyping the bears up once flus was kept for another year. Caleb is a rookie and this is his first year the dude was just given a lot of expectations which is horrible if you're on the bears 😭
I understand Grossi not giving the vikings any respect, but it seems to me that the vikings' defense did something that Caleb had not seen with the five edge rushers and no tackles pressure package. Caleb has played well enough to have losses to a hail mary and a blocked kick. And in their prior division, games have only lost by a combined total of 7 points. If you put them in the NFC west or south, they are winning the division because their 6 division games aren't against all 10 win teams. The no development statement by Perna is a little frightening, and something i think Aikman was talking about when talking about not changing his game to allow so many sacks, which he clearly did not blame on the Oline.
Bears were starting a 3rd round rookie right tackle who has been injured the past 1.5 years. There was not a chance in hell this game was ending another way
I still think a tandem head coach of Matt Patricia and Joe Judge would be the best thing for the bears. They could tag out every other play like a wwe tag team.
People are whipping back and forth on a game by game basis. 5 weeks ago the story was Caleb and the Bears were screwed having to play the NFC North teams with the best defenses. First 3 games Caleb had the Bears within winning position in the final seconds. Last game vs Vikings wasn't as good. He's the only QB to throw 3 TDs vs the Lions, he had the 3rd highest QB rating of any QB vs the lions at 97.8, he's one of only 3 QBs to not throw an INT vs the Lions He's one of only 4 QBs to have a 100+ rating vs the Vikings (103 in first game) and his average through 2 games is 96.7 (higher than 10 others). He's one of 3 QBs to not throw an INT vs the Vikings He's one of 5 QBs to have a 95+ rating (he had 95.0) vs Packers and one of 4 QBs to not throw an INT vs Packers. Of all the QBs to play at least 2 games vs NFC North only Goff has a higher cumulative rating behind a top 3 O-Line. He's played 4 straight games against NFC North with a new OC and a new HC for one and yet he's averaging 96+ rating, with 756 yards, 6 TDs 0 INTs. Caleb is far from playing great, but he is not even close to the main problem for the Bears statistically in the last 4 games. Their O-Line can't run block or pass protect, their defense is very leaky giving up an average of 28ppg, the receivers keep dropping passes and they've had multiple TDs or first downs called back on penalties.
He couldn't score a single touchdown against the Patriots and the entire offense had only 4 yards in a half against the injured 49ers who had themselves just been destroyed 2 weeks in a row. If his ceiling is a competitive loss in the division and floor atrocious losses to everybody else, why bother drafting him
As a Lions fan I couldn't be more unenthusiastic about this season now, but with JJ being the Viks starter next year and Caleb with the Bears next year is the Lions year....
As someone who has watch the bears for many years now, Caleb is absolutely terrified with how bad our OLine is. He's making bad plays and scrambling when the pocket is fine because he can't trust it. We can have all the weapons in the world but him getting sacked a ridiculous number of times per game is hard for a rookie. We need to fire absolutely everyone. Shane Waldron was the worst pick we could have made, we should have fired eberflus, and our passing QB coach was take to head coach position in the span of like 10 days
Definitely can say this year I think it is a good way for Caleb to go through the grinder. It will only be good though if the Bears organization cannot do two things. Get a head coach that can re-establish a culture that disappeared after Lovie and an offensive line to give him the confidence in the pocket and trust the offensive line to keep him protected.
As a Bears fan... why not the GM? I mean, we're always stuck in this cyclical hell of draft a QB, two years later fire head coach, OC, and GM, let the QB sit under another coaching group, in an other year bring in a new QB, then two years later fire the head coach, OC, and GM, then let the QB sit under another coaching group, etc
Until this shit gets fixed Goodell should veto any attempts by the Bears to draft a QB. Chicago cannot keep getting away with absolutely destroying prospects year after year.
It's OK, the Vikings will sign Williams in 2 years, (after rejuvenating Danial Jones), as a backup. And after KOC gets done with him him, Kwesi flips him for a good comp pick. Where he goes on to spectacularly crash and burn for the Jets and never plays again.
Bears fan. Of course they are, it’s the Bears. They’ve got one shot next year to fix this, and I don’t believe they will. He’s got talent, but he’s regressing now thanks to just the bs. Hopping on the Bills wagon for the year now lol
They got rid of Fields who was arguably a better QB and the Eberflus era just went up in smoke. In the end the Bears will pay more for Caleb than for Fields and still have too re build around him if he is the "guy".
I mean the bears set him up for success with Keenan Allen and other talented weapons. I think it comes down to the organization, GM, and coaches. I hope he doesn’t go down the drain with the other bears QBS. I want the NFC NORTH to be competitive, all four teams. As a packers fan. It was competitive with all four teams, then the bears were going to make the playoffs with four teams in the same division in the playoffs. But the bears just fell off
Penix hasn't played so no one knows anything about him yet and if he's good or not, Caleb has played the whole year and while he shows flashes of being great, he's not gonna be able to get better on this team
Caleb ruined himself. It started when he cried and collapsed in his Mommy's arms. Then at the draft, when caleb refused to not! participate in the drills. Which I didn't know that you could refuse. That showed me his true character. Caleb can't read a defense. Caleb is not a leader of men. Mainly bc he's a sore loser. The way he carries himself. Unless Caleb changes his ways, I see him as one of many busts in the NFL.
Remember ... A "What if..." is Mahomes going to the bears instead of Trubisky in '17
... Here is a glimpse into those possible results
Bingo. Mahomes would be a journeyman backup or out of the league entirely if the Bears had drafted him.
In this alternate universe the Combo of Trubiski and Andy Reid are seeking their third Super Bowl.
the next head coach they hire is the most important coach this organization will have hired up to this point
Not really. Unless the Bears get a competent GM that is given carte blanche on running the team things will never work out.
I'm a die-hard through and through Lions fan for 30 years and it might be Ben Johnson😮
My problem is that everyone said Justin Fields was the problem. Fast forward to now and nothing has changed. At all. Justin did better with a worse Bears team than Caleb has all season with the current roster. That's abysmal. Bears don't know what they're doing and it shows.
Fields biggest problem was his fumbling issues. His speed made the O line numbers look better than they actually were. I do think Caleb was an upgrade but the way people treated Justin when he was here was bullshit.
Justin was fun to watch, but was not the answer. Outside of rushing yards, TD’s, and sacks. Caleb has better numbers than Justin had in his best season for the Bears. Caleb has a better completion %, more passing yards, needs one TD to tie Justin’s 17 in his sophomore season. Caleb has 4 less interceptions than Justin. Far less fumbles, and only 3 more sacks. Problem is we overhyped Caleb, and can’t understand why he hasn’t won 10 Super Bowls, 99 mvp’s, 20 rookie of the year’s by now idiocies.
Fields always ranked bottom third in things like scoring, turnover ratio, and yards. Fields still deserves criticism because that offense always sucked. Even with a solid defense last year, they still lost 10 games.
Fields isn't the guy, he got beaten out by an aging russell wilson who looks good at best.
He was able to hide the bad o line well because he can run so well. There was a lot of times hed just take off without even seeing if his o line collapsed
He absolutly did not do better.
I'm not surprised that a rookie QB whose head coach lost the locker room and got fired and whose o-line is letting him get demolished every other play lacks confidence
With Caleb, all the Bears need is an O Line. But the thing is, it was our biggest need when Mitch was here, and we never took care of it. It was our biggest need when Justin was here, and we never took care of it. Now Poles is here and he had the chance to sign one or two good O Linemen, and he chose to give that money to Keenan Allen who's dropping more passes than I've ever seen a veteran WR drop. We didn't need him, we needed to protect our rookie QB from getting obliterated in the pocket, and Poles chose to ignore that need. If he does get fired, that's going to be the reason why. Doesn't matter how good your QB is and how good your WRs are when your QB doesn't have the time in the pocket to find those WRs. And it's sad because Caleb has had a decent rookie season statistically. 17 TDs to only 5 INTs, holds the rookie record for most passes thrown without an INT (it's been about 7 weeks since he's thrown one), 3000 passing yards with 3 games left and 500 rushing yards. Not a bad season for a rookie, but it makes you wonder how much better the season would've been for Caleb if he had even a decent O Line in pass protection. The fact that he's not injured is a miracle with some of the hits he's taken.
I completely agree
O-line is important, however, if you keep defending bad QB play by blaming the line.... At a certain point, a QB just has to be able to suck it up and start making plays even if the line is shaky.
Rarely do good O linemen drop on the free agent market very long. They are a rare commodity. That means you have to draft them and Poles doesn't draft well at all. What stellar amazing picks has he made? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
@@chadwickerman I know it's a meme, but Tory Taylor was actually prescient.
If all you need is one thing, and that one thing is what you needed, year after year, than the issue is more than that one thing.
The season isn't a total loss. The Bears got rid of Eberflus.
The season is a total loss, because they started the season with Eberflus and Waldron.
@@hunterpdx7061 won't matter
There isn't a QB in the league that could win consistently with this o line. 45 + sacks and counting.
Do not blame the O-Line caleb holds onto the ball for far too long.
@@Backseatsman1 he has no choice but to "hold on too long" when too long is 1.5 seconds, especially with a terribly coordinated offense that insists on only running long development plays
@@chuggingtar Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. I think it might literally be an avg of 1.5 seconds before the o line breaks and Caleb's gotta throw or take the sack. It's tough to watch.
He holds the ball to long, recievers wide open. Not the lines fault
58 sacks
Thanks for having a clips channel
What if Caleb Williams kinda sucks?
I think he does.
@Electric_Skeleton glad you and I have some sense
How? Explain your thought process to prove your point.
@@Anouar-xd3zqall you need to do is watch the 14 games he has played to get your answer.
He doesn’t suck. 17 tds and 5 ints with 3k yards and 500 rushing yards is far from “sucking”. He’s also led 4 two game winnings drives that the bears blew every time. He is the only rookie qb who gets mass hate. This narrative that he’s a bust is from people that hate him for no reason
Keeping Justin would have been an okay option but then we would have had to pay him as well as develop him which we clearly weren't doing in the first place based off his first 3 years. There were many games when were were down in the 4th and it looked like we could come back just for Justin to either fumble or miss an open read in the middle as well. It is concerning that Caleb has started to miss some open reads but it's still his rookie year and I pray they can develop him and get him a better o line. Being in a conference where the other 3 teams are all 10+ wins doesn't help either as there's no room for mistake really but this season should have just been a rebuild/development in the first place instead of the media hyping the bears up once flus was kept for another year. Caleb is a rookie and this is his first year the dude was just given a lot of expectations which is horrible if you're on the bears 😭
I understand Grossi not giving the vikings any respect, but it seems to me that the vikings' defense did something that Caleb had not seen with the five edge rushers and no tackles pressure package. Caleb has played well enough to have losses to a hail mary and a blocked kick. And in their prior division, games have only lost by a combined total of 7 points. If you put them in the NFC west or south, they are winning the division because their 6 division games aren't against all 10 win teams.
The no development statement by Perna is a little frightening, and something i think Aikman was talking about when talking about not changing his game to allow so many sacks, which he clearly did not blame on the Oline.
Bears were starting a 3rd round rookie right tackle who has been injured the past 1.5 years. There was not a chance in hell this game was ending another way
It shouldn’t matter. With the way Williams was going off before he was even drafted he talked like he could take the replacements to the Super Bowl.
his Momma told him to say that
I still think a tandem head coach of Matt Patricia and Joe Judge would be the best thing for the bears. They could tag out every other play like a wwe tag team.
A person who thinks
People are whipping back and forth on a game by game basis. 5 weeks ago the story was Caleb and the Bears were screwed having to play the NFC North teams with the best defenses. First 3 games Caleb had the Bears within winning position in the final seconds. Last game vs Vikings wasn't as good.
He's the only QB to throw 3 TDs vs the Lions, he had the 3rd highest QB rating of any QB vs the lions at 97.8, he's one of only 3 QBs to not throw an INT vs the Lions
He's one of only 4 QBs to have a 100+ rating vs the Vikings (103 in first game) and his average through 2 games is 96.7 (higher than 10 others). He's one of 3 QBs to not throw an INT vs the Vikings
He's one of 5 QBs to have a 95+ rating (he had 95.0) vs Packers and one of 4 QBs to not throw an INT vs Packers.
Of all the QBs to play at least 2 games vs NFC North only Goff has a higher cumulative rating behind a top 3 O-Line.
He's played 4 straight games against NFC North with a new OC and a new HC for one and yet he's averaging 96+ rating, with 756 yards, 6 TDs 0 INTs.
Caleb is far from playing great, but he is not even close to the main problem for the Bears statistically in the last 4 games. Their O-Line can't run block or pass protect, their defense is very leaky giving up an average of 28ppg, the receivers keep dropping passes and they've had multiple TDs or first downs called back on penalties.
He couldn't score a single touchdown against the Patriots and the entire offense had only 4 yards in a half against the injured 49ers who had themselves just been destroyed 2 weeks in a row. If his ceiling is a competitive loss in the division and floor atrocious losses to everybody else, why bother drafting him
As a Lions fan I couldn't be more unenthusiastic about this season now, but with JJ being the Viks starter next year and Caleb with the Bears next year is the Lions year....
I thought this year was the Lions year. Next year too?
@@chadwickerman ok bro it's not like we knew half our defense was gonna get decimated...
Lions literally have the most players on IR right now. They still probably win the division but seems really unlikely they go far in the playoffs.
It takes skill to never have an O-line and ruined QB's.
Bears need a new head coach BADLY
Caleb Williams looks so mid. Idk what everyone is talking about. Generational Talent...hahahahahah
The Bears should be banned from touching any rookie just for the sake of their development as professional athletes.
We are on our way to doing so. If we nail this next coaching hire (doubt it), he might still make it.
As someone who has watch the bears for many years now,
Caleb is absolutely terrified with how bad our OLine is.
He's making bad plays and scrambling when the pocket is fine because he can't trust it. We can have all the weapons in the world but him getting sacked a ridiculous number of times per game is hard for a rookie.
We need to fire absolutely everyone. Shane Waldron was the worst pick we could have made, we should have fired eberflus, and our passing QB coach was take to head coach position in the span of like 10 days
Definitely can say this year I think it is a good way for Caleb to go through the grinder. It will only be good though if the Bears organization cannot do two things. Get a head coach that can re-establish a culture that disappeared after Lovie and an offensive line to give him the confidence in the pocket and trust the offensive line to keep him protected.
As a Bears fan... why not the GM? I mean, we're always stuck in this cyclical hell of draft a QB, two years later fire head coach, OC, and GM, let the QB sit under another coaching group, in an other year bring in a new QB, then two years later fire the head coach, OC, and GM, then let the QB sit under another coaching group, etc
Perna saying the defense is still solid is peak not watching the entire game
The Bears need to get their version of Joe alt fr
wtf😂😂 yea right dude he was just drafted by the chargers what makes you think it’s even in the realm of possibility
They need a players coach.......Mike Tice!!!lol
@@Afraidofbutts He said 'their version of a Joe Alt" lol. He didn't say Joe Alt.
@ oh I’m stupid sorry
@@garyhirsch4217 mike vrabel maybe???
Until this shit gets fixed Goodell should veto any attempts by the Bears to draft a QB. Chicago cannot keep getting away with absolutely destroying prospects year after year.
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Blame the line all you want, but Caleb is not seeing wide open receivers and every ball is thrown 100 mph behind or over the receiver's head.
I mean the gm is fired in my mind so I’m just waiting for reality to catch up to me
He’d be protecting himself more if he did run rather then get destroyed in the pocket.
calab is tanking for a high end Oline
Caleb should've pulled an Eli Manning and refused to go to the Bears
I swear if we get Josh McDaniel after all of this suffering I’m burning jerseys
Bears fans hearing Caleb Williams isn’t being developed: Here we go again…
GB fans hearing the Bears not develop players. "Lol, there they go again"
It's OK, the Vikings will sign Williams in 2 years, (after rejuvenating Danial Jones), as a backup. And after KOC gets done with him him, Kwesi flips him for a good comp pick. Where he goes on to spectacularly crash and burn for the Jets and never plays again.
I’m sure my lions will make him look like freakin Joe Montana on Sunday 🙄
They should have traded that number one pick to the Patriots and grabbed Joe Alt at 3.
I agree. Make McDaniels the coach!
Thought that was one of Darnold's worst games...
Bears fan. Of course they are, it’s the Bears. They’ve got one shot next year to fix this, and I don’t believe they will. He’s got talent, but he’s regressing now thanks to just the bs. Hopping on the Bills wagon for the year now lol
Maybe should have kept fields or drafted a o line
They got rid of Fields who was arguably a better QB and the Eberflus era just went up in smoke. In the end the Bears will pay more for Caleb than for Fields and still have too re build around him if he is the "guy".
I mean the bears set him up for success with Keenan Allen and other talented weapons. I think it comes down to the organization, GM, and coaches. I hope he doesn’t go down the drain with the other bears QBS. I want the NFC NORTH to be competitive, all four teams. As a packers fan. It was competitive with all four teams, then the bears were going to make the playoffs with four teams in the same division in the playoffs. But the bears just fell off
That doesn't help when your QB is getting his head positively REMOVED by guys like Jonathan Greenard.
The Bears offensive plays are horrible. The Xs and Os are negatively impacting the team. There is scheming a player open, they scheme players close.
Tom so want Josh McDaniel is the Bears OC. He will ruined Williams career. Spoke as true Packer fan.
How many 1st round QB's haved sucked in the last 30 years?
Penix hasn’t played at all so idk how Caleb is the only rookie who hasn’t developed
Penix hasn't played so no one knows anything about him yet and if he's good or not, Caleb has played the whole year and while he shows flashes of being great, he's not gonna be able to get better on this team
Can't break a qb who was never him,
He is really broken
Lol..30 to 12 is better than 30 to 13.
Where quarterbacks go to die.
Caleb ruined himself. It started when he cried and collapsed in his Mommy's arms. Then at the draft, when caleb refused to not! participate in the drills. Which I didn't know that you could refuse. That showed me his true character. Caleb can't read a defense. Caleb is not a leader of men. Mainly bc he's a sore loser. The way he carries himself. Unless Caleb changes his ways, I see him as one of many busts in the NFL.
have you two ever played football? not watched but played the game lol
Same problematic clubs.
My RAIDURS, jets, browns, most of afc and nfc south, dolphins, and the polished turd of a club the cowboys.
Watch the tapes, Caleb sucks doesn't see the field. Go Bears LOL😂