with the stroke reducer (grey thing), what would happen if you removed it? would it give you more travel, ie: 150mm to 160mm. i would image that it would change the geometry of the bike?
Its just a multi head ratchet screwdriver, its round and just happens to be a good size to slide throughthe top. A thick allenkey will do the job but something round would be better
Super helpful video, how many tokens would you recommend adding into a super deluxe 180mm rear shock on a canyon torque? I weigh around 74kg, currently running no tokens, I almost bottom the shock out every ride, but im super happy with the plushness, just would like to try some tokens for a more progressive feel! also any tips for getting the air can off? that thing is stuck on solid. thanks
Kyle D hard to say, but probably load it up full and start from there. If its too harsh at 30% seated sag then you can drop a spacer and retest. Get yourself a strap wrench from a hardware store to get that can off. Quite ofter they’re super tight, a strap wrench is the best bet
Pierre B you can only fit 3 standard single tokens in, but if you have the gnardog (2.5) token you can put 2 more on top of that which makes the volume equal to 4.5 tokens
Hello nice video ! I got stumpjumper 2019 carbon comp and just updated suspension to lyrik ultimate with new airshaft and super delux ultimate , im about 94kg with all the gear . Cant really set the suspension well , any suggestions ? Started with 1 talken up front and 96 psi as recommended by sram but feels way to fast run 2 clicks from slowest no small bump sensitivity too... at rear its 3.5 talkens as tuned for the bike with 30% sag feels really hard so I guess need to try reducing it 2.5 to start:) haven’t even experimented with low or high speed compressions yet. If you got any suggestions that would be great 👍 thanks 🙏
Rytis Stanevicius take the token out of the fork and start at that same pressure. If too soft add pressure, if too stiff drop pressure. Try 5psi at a time. Once you find enough support from the spring, fine tune the rebound speed, and add 4clicks of lsc, 1 click of hsc. (Both from full open). Rear shock, drop a token out and go through the same process with pressure until you find enough support. If you find support at say 25%sag, you can add a token and drop a little pressure to start closer to 30% sag. Which will increase the cornering ability at the slight cost of suspension compliance. And keep the rebound fast so it can recover and stay supple on repeated hits
I’ll try that ! Just send the fork to do the service after tried my friend fork my wasn’t working properly even is brand new 🤦♂️ once i get everything back I’ll try your recommendation! Thank you 🙏
Rytis Stanevicius good move. I rode a fairly new lyrik ultimate on the Norco Sight I recently tested, and the fork felt average. I servived it and it was waay better. Just because they’re new, doesn’t always mean theyre at optimum performance
MTB Telly mine is something to do with damper , hopefully just bleed :) it doesn’t get slow enough and it does get stiff after a short descent🤦♂️ so yeah even is new it wasn’t any good lol but my friend’s lyryk select is plush like nothing else i rode before so hopefully mine will be like that soon :))
Question: When opening the shock to change spacers/tokens, is there any lubrication that's required? i.e., What if any lubrication formula or oil should be used (if necessary) before reassembling the shock? Thanks! ~JSV
If its fresh then no. But if you haven’t serviced the air can for a little while it pays to take it off clean it and regrease and oil it. Just follow the sram aircan service guide
Dear Telly. I recall you had a Remedy a year back. I Watched your videos and they really helped me a ton upon picking a bike, so thanks alot :)!. Got a remedy at a good price. However rear shock goes through its travel very easily as I am a 220+lbs rider. Do you know if these volume spacers would work on the original thru shaft Reakt:iv rear damper that these rmedys came fitted with?Asking as it practically is a modified super delux?
Erich Bachman I’m not sure if you can get the gnardog in there, but you can put 2 normal spacers into the throughshaft one as far as I know. If its the 2018 remedy you wanna get that loaded with spacers. The 2019 doesn’t need as much shock ramp as the new frame design is more progressive
@@mtbtelly5522 Thx for quick and through answer! Its the 2018. Ill order a pack of 3 normal and see if i cna order the gnardog. i live in norway, so the gnardog probably has to be order abroad. Again, thx:)
Hi mate, I’m new to this. What determines how many tokens to use etc? What is your recommendation also. My front shocks feel good. Rear doesn’t. I’m quite heavy and enjoy jumping big shit. Any suggestions I’d appreciate.
ian docherty if you set the rear suspension to 30% sag and it feels soft and you go too much in and out of the travel, you’ll want more tokens to reduce the positive volume of the shock. This will make it feel like you’re using the travel more efficiently. Too many tokens will feel harsh on deeper hits, and you wont be using as much travel as you could be to create compliance
@@YLDCRD yeah you’ll want a bit more support from the shock. With 3 in there you’ll have to run it with less sag like 27%ish to avoid the bottom outs. Gnardog plus 2 gets you to 30% sag which has the bike handling much better and feels supportive and supple
@@mtbtelly5522 thanks mate. I’ll try that out. I actually want to also get it feeling more poppy for pumping and loading off jumping. What’s best way to set it up for that?
Hi. Great video. Thanks for the effort. Do you know how many, (if any) spacers these shocks have in them as standard configuration? I have just purchased a used 2019 Trek Remedy 8. Im a relative novice rider, and at 100 odd KGs. I find that I'm not using all the travel available, as I'm not really sending it too hard yet. If I reduce the PSI to a point where I do use the travel, then the static sag is quite high. I believe the previous owner has put spacers in there, as he was alot more advanced rider. I have just had the shock 100hr serviced, and asked them to remove any additional spacers to bring it back to standard specifications. But think they may have forgot, as I got all the used parts/seals and mounting bolts back after the service, but there was no volume reducing spacers in the bag of used parts. I would like to put the shock back to standard, and then tune/adjust from there. And if my riding improves to the point where I need a more progressive spring rate, I can add spacers back in. Sorry for a long winded question, but I would really appreciate your input.
Bram Biesiekierski hey mate, I believe that bike/shock comes stock with 2 standard tokens installed. The previous owner may have added 1 standard token to the max of 3, or he may have put a gnardog token (equiv to 2.5 standard tokens) plus 1 or 2 standard tokens (max) drop it back to 2 and find that sweet spot, it should be smoother and more compliant, and maybe a little easier on the climbs as well
@@mtbtelly5522 Great thanks for the reply. I dont know the history of the bike, so not sure how many tokens it has. If I open it and find 2, but still want it less progressive, would it be ok to remove less than standard
Tylor Wyatt i just pushed it out with the corner of a vice. Other wise you can knock it out with a plastic mallet and a deep socket on the other side to support the eyelet body and allow the hardware to drop through within the socket
Do you know how to remove the stroke reducing spacer? I have one on my Capra and want to get the full 180mm of rear travel, which the frame has clearance for.
@@mtbtelly5522 Thanks for the reply, all of the capra models use the same frame, but the high end CF Pro race model has 180mm travel due to a 75mm stroke shock. The other models use 70mm stroke shocks to deliver 170mm travel but have the clearance to be upgraded to 180mm if desired. I will be upgrading the fork to 180mm as well using a new air spring so my BB height will be slightly higher
Will King ah yeah thats alright then. If you’re not familiar with servicing shocks, get it serviced and ask them to remove the spacer while they’ve got it apart. Sounds like your bikes gonna be a weapon 👌🏽👌🏽
How many volume spacers go in the new super deluxe , just brought the new 2019 remedy , looked in the shock , looks like it only holds 2 , were already in there , is that right ? My older remedy 2017 deluxe took 3 .
Cam Wells nah I reckon they just got 2 standard ones. You’d have to buy the 2.5 spacer and see if it fits in the top there. They have trunion mount now I think and that might effect whether you can put spacers up there. The standard superdeluxe i have takes 3 single spacers or 1x2.5 spacer and 2 singles so equivalent of 4.5. Feels good between 3.5 and 4.5. 30% sag
Ok , not a lot of online info on it , only had 2 rides , want to get a more plush feel , have 30% sag , , using all the travel , but it feels a bit harsh
If it is right , ( only takes 2 ) , You wonder why they would change that , you would think they must think it doesn’t need that many any more , or it doesn’t make sense
Cam Wells their reccomended pressures on the website are interesting, its the total opposite to how I have it set up. In their rear shock setting for me its extremely efficient but very bucky and hard to control into hot corners. How much you weigh and what pressures you running front and back
Great video. I forgot to push the O-ring up again after inserting the tokens, is that bad? Works fine.
with the stroke reducer (grey thing), what would happen if you removed it? would it give you more travel, ie: 150mm to 160mm. i would image that it would change the geometry of the bike?
More travel and more chance of clashing the front and rear triangles together or slamming your feet into the ground on a full bottomout.
Hi great video, what's the name of the blue tool you're using for leverage? I've tried with a screw driver but I can't release the demper
Its just a multi head ratchet screwdriver, its round and just happens to be a good size to slide throughthe top. A thick allenkey will do the job but something round would be better
Super helpful video, how many tokens would you recommend adding into a super deluxe 180mm rear shock on a canyon torque? I weigh around 74kg, currently running no tokens, I almost bottom the shock out every ride, but im super happy with the plushness, just would like to try some tokens for a more progressive feel! also any tips for getting the air can off? that thing is stuck on solid. thanks
Kyle D hard to say, but probably load it up full and start from there. If its too harsh at 30% seated sag then you can drop a spacer and retest.
Get yourself a strap wrench from a hardware store to get that can off. Quite ofter they’re super tight, a strap wrench is the best bet
very good video thanks
Hey matey I thought the super deluxe was 3 volume spacers max?! Does that suspension coming out of a remedy? Thanks
Pierre B you can only fit 3 standard single tokens in, but if you have the gnardog (2.5) token you can put 2 more on top of that which makes the volume equal to 4.5 tokens
Hello nice video ! I got stumpjumper 2019 carbon comp and just updated suspension to lyrik ultimate with new airshaft and super delux ultimate , im about 94kg with all the gear . Cant really set the suspension well , any suggestions ? Started with 1 talken up front and 96 psi as recommended by sram but feels way to fast run 2 clicks from slowest no small bump sensitivity too...
at rear its 3.5 talkens as tuned for the bike with 30% sag feels really hard so I guess need to try reducing it 2.5 to start:)
haven’t even experimented with low or high speed compressions yet. If you got any suggestions that would be great 👍 thanks 🙏
Rytis Stanevicius take the token out of the fork and start at that same pressure. If too soft add pressure, if too stiff drop pressure. Try 5psi at a time. Once you find enough support from the spring, fine tune the rebound speed, and add 4clicks of lsc, 1 click of hsc. (Both from full open). Rear shock, drop a token out and go through the same process with pressure until you find enough support. If you find support at say 25%sag, you can add a token and drop a little pressure to start closer to 30% sag. Which will increase the cornering ability at the slight cost of suspension compliance. And keep the rebound fast so it can recover and stay supple on repeated hits
I’ll try that ! Just send the fork to do the service after tried my friend fork my wasn’t working properly even is brand new 🤦♂️ once i get everything back I’ll try your recommendation! Thank you 🙏
Rytis Stanevicius good move. I rode a fairly new lyrik ultimate on the Norco Sight I recently tested, and the fork felt average. I servived it and it was waay better. Just because they’re new, doesn’t always mean theyre at optimum performance
MTB Telly mine is something to do with damper , hopefully just bleed :) it doesn’t get slow enough and it does get stiff after a short descent🤦♂️ so yeah even is new it wasn’t any good lol but my friend’s lyryk select is plush like nothing else i rode before so hopefully mine will be like that soon :))
Question: When opening the shock to change spacers/tokens, is there any lubrication that's required? i.e., What if any lubrication formula or oil should be used (if necessary) before reassembling the shock? Thanks!
~JSV
If its fresh then no. But if you haven’t serviced the air can for a little while it pays to take it off clean it and regrease and oil it. Just follow the sram aircan service guide
Dear Telly. I recall you had a Remedy a year back. I Watched your videos and they really helped me a ton upon picking a bike, so thanks alot :)!. Got a remedy at a good price. However rear shock goes through its travel very easily as I am a 220+lbs rider. Do you know if these volume spacers would work on the original thru shaft Reakt:iv rear damper that these rmedys came fitted with?Asking as it practically is a modified super delux?
Erich Bachman I’m not sure if you can get the gnardog in there, but you can put 2 normal spacers into the throughshaft one as far as I know. If its the 2018 remedy you wanna get that loaded with spacers. The 2019 doesn’t need as much shock ramp as the new frame design is more progressive
@@mtbtelly5522 Thx for quick and through answer! Its the 2018. Ill order a pack of 3 normal and see if i cna order the gnardog. i live in norway, so the gnardog probably has to be order abroad. Again, thx:)
Erich Bachman if you have a rockshox dealer it shouldn’t be too hard to get hold of. Best of luck!
Hi mate, I’m new to this. What determines how many tokens to use etc? What is your recommendation also. My front shocks feel good. Rear doesn’t. I’m quite heavy and enjoy jumping big shit. Any suggestions I’d appreciate.
ian docherty if you set the rear suspension to 30% sag and it feels soft and you go too much in and out of the travel, you’ll want more tokens to reduce the positive volume of the shock. This will make it feel like you’re using the travel more efficiently. Too many tokens will feel harsh on deeper hits, and you wont be using as much travel as you could be to create compliance
ian docherty you basically add more tokens to create more to push against
Thanks
I just got a 2018 trek remedy 7 but it’s got a super deluxe. Do u remember if this frame was progressive or does it benefit from spacers
Get a gnardog token and 2 single tokens and that bike will be killer. It may already have a couple in there
@@mtbtelly5522 thanks mate. I just bought 3 small tokens. I was going to pack that all in and see how we go? Much difference with the gnardog?
@@YLDCRD yeah you’ll want a bit more support from the shock. With 3 in there you’ll have to run it with less sag like 27%ish to avoid the bottom outs. Gnardog plus 2 gets you to 30% sag which has the bike handling much better and feels supportive and supple
@@mtbtelly5522 thanks mate. I’ll try that out. I actually want to also get it feeling more poppy for pumping and loading off jumping. What’s best way to set it up for that?
@@YLDCRD same token config gnardog plus 2, and run your rebound fast enough to give that playful poppy feeling. Should be sweet
Hi. Great video. Thanks for the effort.
Do you know how many, (if any) spacers these shocks have in them as standard configuration?
I have just purchased a used 2019 Trek Remedy 8. Im a relative novice rider, and at 100 odd KGs. I find that I'm not using all the travel available, as I'm not really sending it too hard yet. If I reduce the PSI to a point where I do use the travel, then the static sag is quite high. I believe the previous owner has put spacers in there, as he was alot more advanced rider.
I have just had the shock 100hr serviced, and asked them to remove any additional spacers to bring it back to standard specifications. But think they may have forgot, as I got all the used parts/seals and mounting bolts back after the service, but there was no volume reducing spacers in the bag of used parts.
I would like to put the shock back to standard, and then tune/adjust from there. And if my riding improves to the point where I need a more progressive spring rate, I can add spacers back in.
Sorry for a long winded question, but I would really appreciate your input.
Bram Biesiekierski hey mate, I believe that bike/shock comes stock with 2 standard tokens installed. The previous owner may have added 1 standard token to the max of 3, or he may have put a gnardog token (equiv to 2.5 standard tokens) plus 1 or 2 standard tokens (max) drop it back to 2 and find that sweet spot, it should be smoother and more compliant, and maybe a little easier on the climbs as well
@@mtbtelly5522
Great thanks for the reply.
I dont know the history of the bike, so not sure how many tokens it has. If I open it and find 2, but still want it less progressive, would it be ok to remove less than standard
How do you remove the mounting hardware on the bottom of the Remedy shock, to disassemble the shock??
Tylor Wyatt i just pushed it out with the corner of a vice. Other wise you can knock it out with a plastic mallet and a deep socket on the other side to support the eyelet body and allow the hardware to drop through within the socket
Thank you!!! Great video btw
Tylor Wyatt ✌🏼✌🏼
Any idea how many spacers come in the shock from the factory? Thanks
Adam Jones its different depenting on the bike manufacturer. This one came with 2 I believe
@@mtbtelly5522 thanks, may just take a look inside then, I've got a canyon torque 2020
Adam Jones killer bike!
@@mtbtelly5522 thanks, just going to be building it up this weekend
Didn't you buy the x2?
Michael Frost yeah I did. Testing the x2 now
Do you know how to remove the stroke reducing spacer? I have one on my Capra and want to get the full 180mm of rear travel, which the frame has clearance for.
Will King I wouldn’t recommend it. You’ll smash pedals into the ground on big g outs and potentially damage your frame on a big bottom out
@@mtbtelly5522 Thanks for the reply, all of the capra models use the same frame, but the high end CF Pro race model has 180mm travel due to a 75mm stroke shock. The other models use 70mm stroke shocks to deliver 170mm travel but have the clearance to be upgraded to 180mm if desired. I will be upgrading the fork to 180mm as well using a new air spring so my BB height will be slightly higher
Will King ah yeah thats alright then. If you’re not familiar with servicing shocks, get it serviced and ask them to remove the spacer while they’ve got it apart. Sounds like your bikes gonna be a weapon 👌🏽👌🏽
How many volume spacers go in the new super deluxe , just brought the new 2019 remedy , looked in the shock , looks like it only holds 2 , were already in there , is that right ?
My older remedy 2017 deluxe took 3 .
Posted that before I watched the whole video :) perhaps I have the 2 and a half spacer in there ? Is that standard ?
Cam Wells nah I reckon they just got 2 standard ones. You’d have to buy the 2.5 spacer and see if it fits in the top there. They have trunion mount now I think and that might effect whether you can put spacers up there.
The standard superdeluxe i have takes 3 single spacers or 1x2.5 spacer and 2 singles so equivalent of 4.5. Feels good between 3.5 and 4.5. 30% sag
Ok , not a lot of online info on it , only had 2 rides , want to get a more plush feel , have 30% sag , , using all the travel , but it feels a bit harsh
If it is right , ( only takes 2 ) , You wonder why they would change that , you would think they must think it doesn’t need that many any more , or it doesn’t make sense
Cam Wells their reccomended pressures on the website are interesting, its the total opposite to how I have it set up. In their rear shock setting for me its extremely efficient but very bucky and hard to control into hot corners.
How much you weigh and what pressures you running front and back
What does a dodgy o ring do?
William Champluvier it just doesn’t hold up the spacer causing it to rattle constantly
@@mtbtelly5522 mine does that. Is it a problem?
Isn't 3 the max tho
James Beckett 3 standard tokens or 1 gnardog and 2 standard tokens
@@mtbtelly5522 oh sick imma order a gnardog then.
@@mtbtelly5522 how much difference did u find between the 3.5 to 3 tokens
James Beckett i went to 4.5, more support
@@mtbtelly5522 oh right damnnn. Gunnu try that. Ive already got 2 in now but it's just not enough so I'll mess around with some. Cheers