Walther PDP vs. PPQ
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2021
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Gladly take either! Really liking the PPD though. Have to handle them both to choose.stay safe and God bless 🇺🇸☠️🇺🇸!!!
Hey Justin, Is this prize thing a hack or is it real?
I like your calm/humble narration compared to the many other experts . Another respectable person is hrfunk, you may agree.
Herman Edwards said that’s why we play the game.
What’s better than a Walther pistol? Two Walther pistols.
Fax.
T.I. said it best... "9 in my right, 45 in my other hand"
How about three ...😆 I with you though, nothing better than a Walther.
Glock
@@uriahg193 nah
You are the Bob Ross of firearms reviews and that’s awesome
LoL
Indeed, Justin Ross.
I kept thinking how relaxed I was when listening to a gun review... and after seeing your comment, I thought I couldn't have said it better.
yeah...lol he does remind me of Bob Ross the gun world...lol.
I'd be stoked to pick up a PPQ for a few bucks cheaper because of the release of the PDP.
Pumped that I just ordered my first Walther! The PDP!!!!
Awesome - I hope you really enjoy it.
Congrats! I have 2 and I love them.
@@daddystabz are they better or the G Lock?
@@aymanjoudar5425 Walther rocks and is definitely better.
Very nice review. I appreciate the fact that you aren't overly animated and can give a calm review of two excellent handguns. You have a new subscriber.
I have a PPQM1 and love the trigger guard mag release. I wish they would make more like that
All day
The m2 has it too
@@chasewalters601 no the M2 has traditional mag release vs European style on HK&PPQm1
@@sivonparansun I'm talking about where you could press a button with your thumb and the mag falls out
Thank you! The euro mag release is peak.
The walther PPQ sights were probably the easiest sights I've ever had to change on a handgun... great comparison review!
I agree, I put Trijicon HD night sights on mine and it was maybe a five-minute job.
@@appalachiangunman9589 I put the Trijicons on mine and then noticed that it wasn't nearly as good in the daylight. I think I left a review, saying I would have rather had a laser (like I put on my wife's gun). Mine had faded so much that last year I switched them back. Let me just say that they were *not* easy to find because I seem to have a *lot* of stuff! Of course, the Trijicons were not the freshest to begin with. Optics planet had apparently put a sticker over the freshness date, which I discovered much later, and it has since cost them many thousands of dollars- one of those times that a bird in hand was *not* better than a bush-full, I imagine.
Thanks for the comparison, Justin. Exactly what I was looking for.
Hot dang. Been waiting on this.
Eating breakfast while drinking coffee with a Justin review. Great stuff 🇺🇸👍😁
Always appreciate this reviewer's willingness to video record himself firing round after round after round.
First video I've seen by you, and I appreciate your pleasant thoroughness.
Great video! Love the detailed video work of the guns and explanations of differences.
“At first glance you might wonder why there is a new model if they’re so similar.”
Sir, I’ve been carrying a Glock for years - I promise you I’ve never wondered that lol.
Now, that's funny!
Lmao 🤣
We're all so happy the Glock fanboy has spoken. For the rest of us who own Glocks but like and prefer more ergonomic handguns, we did wonder.
I don't understand the point, I guess. I only own 4 pistols. (But more rifles...lol). 1st of all, I'm a super curious type. I "wonder" everything. I have a Glock 21, Ruger Service Six .357 mag with upgraded sights and grips, .44 Ruger black powder Old Army, and a Walther PPS .40 S&W. My most accurate shooting is with the Glock 21. All of the sights on all three except the Walther are pretty fine. I bought the Walther specifically as a Conceal Carry. When I first looked through the sights I freaked out! Said to myself; "How can this be accurate?" Seems like a football field worth of play. Just like Justin was describing. (To be fair, I haven't shot it as much as the Glock by a longshot so...). But I kind of suck with the Walther. So, that's kind of disappointing. If at all possible I'd like to change out the rear sight. But I haven't investigated possibilities, if there are any.
Thank you for responding and explaining mathematical fractions. I am pleased that you still use classical mathematics. My problem was one of visual perception. I perceived that the trigger pull device was showing percentages of a pound (4.15). I do appreciate and enjoy your informative firearm videos. It is enjoyable watching the firearms capabilities being demonstrated on the range.I own the first model PPQ with the paddle magazine release. I have never fired another Striker fire hand gun that could match its trigger.pull. I am impressed to see Walther develop a pistol that has an even lighter trigger.
Very well done comparison. I have the PPQ in 40S&W and 45ACP and love them. I wanted the 9mm but got an amazing deal on the 40S&W model with 5 magazines. Keep up the great videos. I subscribed and have been binge watching your channel.
PPQ with the paddle release and arched slide is just all I would want - Great video review, thanks!
PPQ M1 all day.
I stopped carrying Glock a few years ago after 25 years of service. I carry a PPS m2 & Q5 when I need more rounds. Love my Walthers.
You just can't beat a Walther. OR a CZ
I used Glocks for years also. But I now LOVE my pistols, a handful of CZ's and Walthers.
Never liked the angle on glocks. What’s PPS m2? I have a walther P22 angel blue. Was eying PPQ and was on wish list but going to have to check out the PDP now. Also want A CZ also but not sure what model. There all sexy!
@@toynazi What CZ’s do you own and like the best?
@@hardcore4476 the PPS stands for Police Pistol Slim. It's a single stack 9MM that is easy for carry. The normal configuration is a 6 and 7 round magazines.....the law enforcement edition comes with 6, 7 and 8 round magazines. I have one and love it. The M2 was the second generation of the weapon.
@@rm5282 good answer. I have a PPS M2 for EDC and a PDP I pick up tmw for home defense
A couple of details I neglect to mention in the video: PDP has more checkering on the mag release; and the extractor on the PDP is much shorter, but still external.
Was there any difference in perceived muzzle flip?
Does it have a loaded chamber function like the PPQ?
Also alledgely has a tapered barrel chamber on the PDP.
@@dirtysouthjacket I believe you are correct. Other reviews I've seen all indicate they are identical at that barrel length.
@@dirtysouthjacket The barrel is identical between the PPQ and PDP.
This is EXACTLY the review I have been looking for that compares these two guns. Thank you! Now, the search for an in-stock PDP begins.... 😂
You have yourself a new subscriber.
Thanks for the nice comment, and for subscribing!
Try H&H Shooting Sport in Oklahoma. I got mine from them yesterday morning. They had several in stock
I just bought the last two from AIMsurplus. I dont know whether to be angry about how many hoops i had to jump through to buy mine or be happy that Walther is finally getting its respect...
@@JustinOpinionChannel Have You reviewed the Walther CCP M2 9MM Semi Auto?
Love my PPQ M2
Soon to be first time gun owner. This has been very helpful with my purchase research! Can’t wait to get out there and get involved in my new sport!
What gun did you end with?
Held and played around with a PDP today at my local gun store and it was amazing. Easy for me to like as an HK VP9 user.
Thank you for an outstanding comparison review, Justin! All aspects of both guns clearly discussed. Superb photography with all details well lit and in focus!
Ive always been on the fence about the PPQ , I know its a great handgun but it just never won me over so I opted to carry the CZ-P10C and I loved it and it also has a fantastic out of the box trigger for a striker handgun . I actually prefered the P-10C's trigger , its ergonomics and low bore axis over the PPQ . But then I saw the Walther PDP at my local FFL and was immediatly drawn to it . I asked if I could see it and if they mind if I dry fired the trigger . The very first thing about the PDP that really stood out for me is that excellent new grip texture I really like what Walther has done with the grip and it looks good at first glance the PDP has that custom stipple job look , I really like the design of the slide its really easy to rack the slide from anywhere . The trigger is really nice but not mind blowing like many people hype it up to be . The PDP's trigger is more on par to CZ's P10 trigger now , just my opinion . I really like that Walther opted to make the PDP compatible with Glock aftermarket sights which is a huge plus in my book . Aquiring extra Magazines , after market barrels , extended mag releases etc etc , are going to be convient conserding the cross compatibility the PDP had to the PPQ , good thinkinh Walther . Idk its been over 8 years since Ive bought anything from Walther but after I handled the PDP I just had to have it . I think its going to be my new cc
Love my EDC PPQ subcompact. Trigger is awesome! Not gonna lie..loving the ergonomics on the PDP too!! Any Walther you choose is a great pick!
Justin is a good Gun-tuber,he has very special Opinions!
Great video! Answered a lot of questions I had...
With this new model, Walther at least addressed the *only* complaint I had with the PPQ: *Too much air in the sights*
Unfortunately, it's with the wrong gun--
Tbh, as others have said, I prefer the more elegant (well stated by you, btw) PPQ...
Great video. Very throughout. Thanks for doing it!
Great video - learned a few things and enjoyed your presentation, I will go for the new PDP although I've enjoyed my PDQ for awhile now.
Call me crazy, I think I like the PPQ better.
I like the new grip texture (even though I haven't held it yet), but other than that I agree.
PDP TO Bulky Ppq better for me.
I really like my PPQ, but I was also looking at having the slide milled for an optic (so maybe I should just buy the slide - just did that for my P226). I have heard the trigger takeup is better on the PDP but I have not seen one yet.
Yup. Pdp is bulky
Really they’re almost identical if you ignore looks. Yes the pdp may be lighter by a few ounces, and optics ready and I’ve heard they shoot the same. Otherwise the trigger I’ve heard is slightly better on the pdp. I also like the new slide and it’s aggressive serrations. Other than that they’re really identical, the pdp is better but not enough to make me want one over the other. That’s my take. I’d like a pdp do dual carry with my M&p haha
I love the indepth information you provide on your videos. I was curious about some of the interchangeability. Awesome work! Thanks 👍👍👍
I have the ppq m2,i really enjoy shooting it. Thank you for this comparison and thorough look at both. I'm glad things do have some compatibility.i might look into getting a pdp slide.
Really well done review. Keep it up. Make us some more!!
Like all your head 2 head comparisons, quality and very informative videos. I personally have to give credit to Walther for listening to its customers and paying attention to where the market is going. I like how the PDP looks and the upgrades that it has over the PPQ. Looks like a mix between the PPQ & VP9.
Great review as always ! I have the PPQ M2, to me the major advantage of the PDP is the red dot sight option, it's a good feature for people with "old eyes" like me. Apart from that, I would think the two are basically the same gun, both are excellent firearms for the price in my opinion. If I am on the market to choose between the two, I certainly would go for the PDP.
This video is excellent quality, and the comparison is spot on. 👍🏾
Much appreciated!
Best video on Walther I’ve seen. (New sub) I have a Q5 SF and I love it but to big for EDC. I’m trying to secure a PDP 4” on gunbroker but have lost last 2 auctions. I have a set limit that I can’t go over but that is probably one of the biggest things I love about Walther is the quality you get for the price you pay vs. most manufacturers. Thank you again. Have a great day.
Thanks for the sub!
Yes, you're right about the wide window in the rear sight, my P99 is the same, need to change out for sure👍
Thank you for this. Exactly the information I was looking for. Great stuff
Glad it was helpful!
Love my PPQ M2
Original P99 already had it all and more, DA, SA, no external safety, decocker button , striker indicator, super short reset and nice triger.
Another great video from this channel!
Great review. If I didn't already own the PPQ, or if I committed to a red dot, I would definitely purchase the PDP.
Thank you for the videos brother! I have to have this pistol!!! I love the full size 4.5", with my big hands.
Good review, thank you Sir!
Nice review the most honest out of all of them.
Wanted the long slide ppq but it was close to 700 bought the pdp 5” compact on grabagun for 498 three months ago it the first version but still I’m so impressed I shoot it so well by my scone mag I already outshot my glocks and rugers that I have much more practice with.
Much thanks for the comparison, I've been wondering about that.
The PDP looks like a nice and necessary evolution of the PPQ. Good job, Walther. I love my PPQs and PPS. I'm not in the market for another compact/medium carry gun (currently carry a P10c or Walther .45 or CZ P01/PCR) but if I was this would likely be it. It'd also likely be the next polymer framed gun I'd buy if I was going that way. I like the aesthetics of the PPQ better tho. I admit I was hoping for a double stack PPS replacement or a fun DA/SA hammer fired gun or most of all a steel frame .45. 🤷🏻♂️
Just bought the pdp. I saw so many good reviews and my lgs got some in so I decided to get one and I am pleased. I also have the pps m2. I must say I’m a walther fan.
How much did you end up paying? I’m having trouble finding prices but the one I did find a price on was a retail of$649. For the full-size.
@@whatfreedom7 $599.95 out the door. Full size
It is awesome that Walther listened to the customer and rectified every single "drawback" on the PPQ. The PDP has a flattened slide, deep and extruding slide serrations for easier slide racking and a better grip texture. Most important, the PDP keeps the "iron sights" when using a red dot and it takes Glock sites. In my eyes and experience, the PDP is the very best polymer handgun on the market:
They didn't lower the bore axis though
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Don't believe the low bore axis hype. Many top champion shooters win with high bore axis guns. The lower the bore axis, the greater the lateral side to side recoil(less predictable shot pattern)
@@subgunsnake6022 Yeah I was just talking about how that has been a common complaint about the PPQ series. I never had much problem with it, but lots of people don't like the higher bore axis as compared to the Glock
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 they could not, because lowering the bore axis would have required a total new design. The PDP is just a heavy upgraded PPQ with most parts like barrel, slide, grip interchangeable between PDP and PPQ.
@@xyzaero I realize that.
Great review and very detailed. Subscribed
Thank you, sir. I went to my local Cabelas in League City TX as Walther told me that they would have the PDP on display at "select Cabelas stores," but they did not have it. Hope to see and possibly buy one once they are available.
My BassPro had the PDP in stock today at $599. The PPQ was also there I believe priced at $749. Harrisburg, PA store
The Walther pdp is awesome. The slide is smooth, the takedown is probable the best takedown out of any pistols out there, the magazine release is nice and reliable, the mags drop out perfectly every time, and there’s no scratches on them. Even after a few range trips. My sig p365 just had to use the mags once to get them all scratched up. And I didn’t even drop them. It’s not a big deal tho, but still. Accuracy is on point. Grip texture is awesome, and it gives you a lot of real estate for holding it in place. You can see at the end of the slide on the left side. On top of the rail, you got that little plastic ledge. It’s for your left thumb to hold the gun down while shooting. Muzzle flip is pretty much eliminated that way. Also the angle of the grip is perfect. Presenting the gun gives me almost 100% perfect sight alignment every time. The slide lock release is perfect. Nice and long. I believe that the Walther pdp is the best pistol out there. I personally don’t own one. My dad does. I own a glock 19 gen 3 and a glock 48 mos. great guns, and I love them. But shooting the Walther is just perfect. And it’s not even hard to carry. I carry on my hip, and granted, just wearing a t-shirt won’t cut it this way. But with an over shirt it’s perfect. The clip & carry holster for it from Amazon is perfect. For like $30, you can’t get better. I believe it also accommodates for a red dot. I have that problem with my 48 mos. I just put a red dot on it, and my holster won’t fit anymore. I paid like $50 for it. I could cut it a bit, but still. I’d rather just buy a different holster that also accommodates for a light. Sorry for the rant. If you get a Walther pdp and a walther pps m2, that would be the best duo in my opinion. You could probably go for a sig p320 xcompact or xcarry along side the p365 sas, and that would probably be the perfect duo, but you can’t go wrong with the Walthers. They just look right.
Thank you for making this details oriented video. Enjoyed every minute of it, and it fulfilled my curiosity about the difference between PPQ and PDP. Honestly, from what I've learned, the biggest difference between these two models is the red dot ready feature, and that's a $100 price difference associated with. I probably will cease my desire to change my PPQ M2 to PDP, since the parts are also interchangeable between these two models...
Yeah unless you really want a red dot, I don't see the point in upgrading to the PDP. You end up with a much bulkier slide that probably doesn't carry as well.
Good comparison. Been a little while since I caught one of your videos - looks like you're going for the retired John Wick look, I dig it!
Nice that you verified my theory of interchangeable slides, I figured that would be the case. I’m so glad Walther didn’t screw with the internals much because this is already a very proven and reliable design so I’m glad they kept what we love about the PPQ and just took care of a few common complaints people had (rear sight stays in place with optic, more aggressive grip texture). Gotta say I still like the looks of the PPQ better although the PDP definitely has that more aggressive look. Either way, I need a 4” compact gun to compliment my Q5 I think. If I can find a ppq for cheap now this might be the answer. Also thank goodness they didn’t change the magazine I love magazine compatibility.
I was able to handle the PPQ and the PDP back to back. The PPQ felt way nicer in my hand and gripping the gun felt better with the PPQ.
your comment about the irons makes me think about my problems with my P365 XL. The front post is too fat though the nice high-vis dot is fast to acquire. I started off my firearms journey with the PPQ though, so I have learned theirs well compared to the blocky SIG ones.
You really can't go wrong with the Walther P99 PPQ PDP all are top grade combat pistols
The Walther Q4 is the best!
The airspace difference in the rear sight is noticeable in your grouping. The lateral movement is greater with the PPQ compared to the PDP. It is not 100% but can be observed in the grouping. Overall, glad to know that Walther is do product improvement and not remaining static.
Great content! Subbed 👍 I am set on 40S&W for my next firearm and was thinking of a HK V40 but now I’m thinking the PDP 🤔 thanks for the in-depth look 👀
Awesome footage and Review
👍🗽🇺🇲 THANK YOU
THE VERMONTER
First pistol I ever owned was a PPQ .45. The first pistol I ever bought/carried was the Q4 Tact. Found my next pistol to get.
This really looks like a winner for sure. I'm very interested in the glock 45 style variation. It's going to be tough deciding between that and the compact model.
I really like the high resolution, close-up shots.
+The most important difference is the PDP is OPTIC READY. If I'd known that, I would have gotten a PDP to replace my PPQ SC instead of an optic ready S&W MP 2.0 compact. Too late now.
Just get both
The PPQ sights are insanely easy to change... there arent nearly as many options; but changing rear and front sights on the PPQ requires simple tools, no sight pusher required. Just FYI.
I wouldn’t say a sight pusher is a simple tool.
@@RaddestDad See edit. There is NO sight pusher required... that is what I meant to say. My error.
@@RaddestDad the rear uses a square head slot screw and the front uses a small hex head screw just like the glock front sights.
Agreed! Changing the sights on my PPQ was easier than the switch on any other gun I own...including Glock.
I have a PPQ M2...love it, but I still have the stock sights. Which replacement sight are you using? ( looking for ideas )
Great unbiased comparison. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
I have owned the PPQ M1 for years but just got the PDP Compact just for adding a red dot. Awesome gun.
I love the tactihippi look. Big fan of your channel.
Phenomenal comparison. No nonsense, side by side review.
Found you from this video. Liked and subscribed! Thanks!
Thanks!
And here I keep hoping that Walther's new pistol would have a slightly lower bore axis. Instead they essentially do a PPQ M3 with a more square slide for a better optics mounting platform and an extended grip option.
The bore axis is fine on the PPQ, I shoot 12” steel plates out to 100 yards with my PPQ’s. Don’t get caught up in the hype of a lower bore axis. Tell that to the old timer with the P229 who can out shoot damn near anyone at his gun club.
I want the Compact PDP with the FS 4.5" barrel and slide. Such a gorgeous looking pistol and knowing Walther the trigger is undoubtedly amazing. Great review mate, thanks for the great breakdown and content as always.
Yes Sir Justin. You did the job Bro. Thanks & Carry On !
I appreciate the fact you use a lavalier mic with a wind sock. Little things like that really make the difference.
Nice review! I'm going to buy some Talon grips now for my PPQ'S!
talon grips are a must on any polymer gun imho
Good comparison. Thanks
Nice review. Thank you
Thanks for watching!
I already have 3 PPQM2s. Not about to change over to the PDP for the following reason. Golf clubs. Every year golf club makers come out with the newest greatest clubs ever that will make your game even better. The only thing that improves a game is lessons and practice not new clubs. The PPQ is going to do anything you need it to provided your up to the task. For that matter so is the Taurus G3.
It's the Indian not the arrow.
Starting to look like a Biker there Justin ! Lol Always enjoy your reviews !
Proud new owner of a PDP 9MM Walther.its a beautiful handgun
Great review!
I played around with a PDP and a Q4. Ended up ordering the Q4 because I love the steel frame version of the ppq. I loved the PDP with the 4.5 barrel but it felt unusually light.
I have had the Q4 for a few months now. Best handgun ever in my opinion. Just bought a ppq and it is very nice as well.
I have a PPQ45 as my EDC in my IWB holster. When they come out with a PDP45, I might consider it. Looks nice and grippy all around though.
Like #437, here! Nice job, Justin. Now I want a Walther pistol, LOL.
Hi great video and as usual very informative. One question I have is that some other reviewers have said that the early takeup on the trigger is smoother and the break is more pronounced. I have a PPQ in 45ACP and I love it but would not use it for home defense because the break is less pronounced than other guns and too easy for me to go past the break when staging the trigger. Where my VP9 and G17 have far more pronounced breaks. I was hoping the PDP was as described by other reviewers as that might make it a more acceptable home defense handgun but sounds like you did to see any difference between the PPQ and PDP Triggers.
Thanks so much for this
You are so welcome!
I love the back of the PDP. Very simple. I have a Sig 320 and my one major dislike of the 320 is the back is to busy looking.
Another great video. My PPQ shoots upper right off hand. I bought a Ransom Rest I hope it helps.
Recently bought a PPQ Q4 Tac, and then the PDP came out. I thought it was only me thinking “changing the gun for the new one is not worth the hassle”.
To sum it up: THANK YOU, SIR!
I swapped out the stock sights on my PPQ M1 almost immediately after getting the pistol. I chose the meprolight night sights for the PPS. They fit on the PPQ and the way they are angled, it matches the contour of the PPQ slide nicely. It closed the gap considerably between the front and rear sights.
Hmmm
Have to check that out
I put the Walther PPS steel sights on my PPQ M1. Much smaller gap and they worked perfectly.
Good morning. Awesome video was thinking I really want this new gun but is it really different. Thank you for justifying my next purchase. Great video as usual.
I recently picked up this pistol and surprisingly the best 5 round groups I got with it at 10 yards were with Fiocchi 115 Gr JHP, it was .67 inches. Remington UMC G&W box gave me a 1 inch group and Winchester White Box gave me a 1 1/2 inch group. Go figure the cheapest ammo shot the best out of my pistol. And all of them have good expansion and penetration out of 4 inch barrels.
Out of all the fullsize pistols that I tried out the Walther PDP felt the best to me. So once I get my Taurus G3C and my Smith &wesson m&p shield plus. I will be saving up to purchase the Walther PDP.
I like the grip and maybe the beefier extractor of the PDP more, but I like the slide and stock sights of the PPQ more.
Super show thanks
Great review! And I noticed I was unsubscribed from you and other gun channels.
A few years back I was at a range demo. had the chance to shoot ( 10 rounds each) Walther PPQ M2, HK VP9, and then ran to the Sig Booth to do the P320 full size. Trigger wise the PPQ definitely blew the Sig & HK away. If I had to choose a firearm other than my Glocks. I think i gave a slight edge tp the Sig. But this PDP and having the ability for an Optic. Might someday having me buy the PDP!
Pretty nicely done video ,since they were shot side by side
would like to know Which one
had the Less Felt Recoil
The similarities mean you could use a PPQ airsoft as a trainer for indoors and force on force 👍