As i said in the video i will not give anymore information than iv already shared. please dont message me asking if your tune is safe but if your concerned just use a lspi oil. you have nothing to lose by using it but a lot to gain. millers do a lspi specific oil or look for an oil thats ilsac GF6 which is the latest oil standards specification
H-Sport near Bath apparently service their customer cars with Millers LSPI. I hadn't heard of it before, but it's good to see that it's something they've considered and deem valuable
My piston failed due to lpsi and ive just rebuilt it and its running fine now, but having watched this and doing data logging with forscan I'm full throttle below 3000 rpm. The car is mapped with an off the shelf kess stage 1 map, so I'm wanting this off asap which stage 1 company would you recommend
i think the main reason pistons blow is because drivers dont allow the oil temp to get to temp before they start to boot it they look at water temp and think its fine i always wait untill my cars warm and ive had no probs using normal oil. Love the vids by the way
Very informative video Steve, thank you. A few years ago we bought a ST180 what felt very agressive and had a lot of torque steer (what my wife hated) and te power died off above 5000RPM. A good few months later I ordered a CP2 map from Collins performance. The car transformed in a positive way with a very progressive powerband all the way up to 6000RPM with very little torque steer at low RPM. So I think that the car was already tuned with low RPM full throttle map and my GUESS is that the Collins CP2 map isn’t allowing this. This is just my own experience with it and just a guess, never logged any of this. Have no experience with LSPi oil, I’m using MPM EB oil. Btw: i recently saw a ST250 engine with a exploded piston so I guess this LSPi is a problem with more boosted engines.
You say at the 8:50 minute mark, that there are other factors as well. Giving 100% throttle or "removing" torque limiters isn't necessarily a bad thing... It doesn't mean that the boost will spike at max boost at 1.5k rpm, it's up to the tuner to decide the desired boost/load/timing at specific rpm. I never had with my stage 1, 2 or 3 map such an overboost problem at such low rpm even at full throttle. The map you possibly refer to isn't a really popular one, because i can't imagine the big tuners doing something like that. And even if the car reaches peak boost at 2-2.5k rpm the timing strategy changes accordingly to ensure the desired load is met. Instead of telling people to use a certain oil, which is good because you really put a lot of effort learning about this stuff, you should preferrably tell people to avoid bad or risky tuners. Keep up the good videos :)
LSPI is better controlled with "tightening" the spark plug gap; especially when tuning for higher horsepower off small liter engines. Even choosing a Step Colder plug for that kind of duty and not going to a lower grade than an Iridium or Ruthenium. It also is beneficial to have the oil up to operating temp before going higher than 3500rpm. There are an infinite number of drivers/owners that have no clue about engineering and friction to understand what damage they are doing revving their loud exhaust crackle and pops when first starting up the car OR starting it up and racing down the road like a lost puppy.
I agree with you 100%. Been using Amsoil 5W20 SS oil and been on the track few times in my Fiesta ST mk8 and had 0 problems even in hot day with 28C. 11:20 did you mentioned maxed out? Asking for a friend :-) BTW it is also important to have a clean combustion chamber as any carbon deposits can cause hot spot which can lead to pre ignition especially on the track. Great work Steve.
This video is making too much sense when looking at some issues I've had with a "reputable" tune. Very boosty and aggressive and misfires under full throttle at mid-revs. I've gone back to standard and not touching the other maps as I just don't trust them to grenade the engine. Seat of the pants says it's too much for the engine to last
Great advice and very informative. It just shows the difference in tuners. It's safe to say stage 1s 2s and 3s are not equal. You can see what mountune were so 'safe' in figures. Hardly any difference in gears 1 and 2 then you get the torque throughout the higher revs and gears. I'm running Revo stage 1. It's definitely more perky than mountune and doesn't appear to give you it all at once so I'm presuming 'safe' as they claim to be designed over 1000s of miles testing. I think the oil temp is definitely a contributing factor. You see people just jump into tuned hot hatches and wheel spin off or thrash it cold. I think it's been mentioned by a few in the comments. You definitely need to get the car upto temp (oil and not radiator). I can't see why you'd want full boost and torque from the off. It's just asking to break stock parts on the car. I'd rather have it up the rev and gear range👍 I fully understand why you wouldn't name tuners. I've seen UA-cam Automotive people mention companies and having to do a grovelling apology days later (probably threatened with being sued😂).
PERFORMANCE FUELS THE WRONG ONE COULD BLOW YOUR ENGINE UP this talks about these issues and goes into more detail about what causes engine to fail during hard accel at lower rpm's. officially gassed og channel
Great video, For reference regarding pressure, the value in kPA stated on your software is from absolute zero (vacuum), the earth atmosphere adds approx 100kPa or 1bar. Hence most gauges are set to 1bar above absolute zero (that we commonly use), this is known as barg (bar gauge), this is why you can get negative pressure, which really doesn't exist. its just pressure below the atmospheric pressure. Ford I suspect use absolute pressure as the car sees regularly sub atmospheric pressure. 0 barA = -1barG, 1barA=0barG (this is surface of earth typical pressure), 2barA = 1barG etc etc Fun way I think of it is, when you suck on a straw when you drink, you are lowering the pressure in your mouth and the pressure of the atmosphere, is still 100Kpa or 1bar, hence the liquid is being pushed by the atmosphere into your mouth. fluid always travels to lower pressure.
Another great video Steve keep them coming! Personally I think a lot of LSPI problems are caused by driver error… loading the engine at low rpm in a high gear etc.
Did not know about Lspi if I am honest with you Steve, so thanks for the heads up on the info, also did not know that a stage 1 remap would be so aggressive on throtle at so low RPM.
It won't have anything to do with the pre-detonation, but yeah, don't go into 6th unless you're cruising on a straight at 40mph (on the clock) or over. The arrow just comes on if it detects the throttle is steady and the next gear will allow 1500rpm, it's not clever enough to know there's a slight hill coming up, etc.
Makes you think. I have a stage 2 map from Sabre and whilst they have a really good reputation, it comes in really hard low down compared to Collins CP2 which I had before. With reference to the subject in the video, does anyone know how Sabre manages their tunes?
That's because Collins are generic to suit every stage 2 car so they have to be safe because every car Is different and will behave differently even with the same tune, sabre is custom to the car so they know exactly how far they can push it, I have a sabre tuned focus rs and it comes in savagely aggressive but it's awesome fun and has never missed a beat. If you have any issues just get in touch with the tuner instead of asking people on the Internet because you won't know the exact truth unless it comes from them.
I have downloaded the HP tuners to check my map parameters, but it cant open the file my tuner have sended me, which is .usr Can anybody help me how to convert/open that file in HP tuners?
Ok, so if i understand correctly. Only VCM Editor isnt enough, i would need to buy their OBD reader. Abother question, i have checked my throttle position with forscan. And it is 74% all the time from 2000 rpm on atleast. Wherever i read that value should be 84%. Also looks like i dont have lspi “safe” map.. also from respectable tuner.. But why 74%, have you ever seen these number as a max value? Also, do you remember your peak boost values from when you were stage 1/2. My is topping at 248 kpa (1,48 bar).
@dominikmugerli7392 throttle position is only part of the tuning. So you can't just assume its bad because of that as they may have restricted other parts of the map but without seeing it you won't really know. Stage 1 and 2 are best left at oem throttle strategy though imo. And yes you need the obd2 to read and view files. Editor alone won't work
So how does the oil actually help? I’ve got a stage 3 x47r with maxd out map I had a coil pack misfire on boost but apart from that it’s been good as gold.
Calcium in the oil can cause the fuel to ignite to early while the piston is rising and cause a massive amount of cylinder pressure. The oil gets in the cylinder from the bore and ring lubrication
Excellent video and I use Miller's 5w30 LSPI in my ST with the CP2-E map (Excellent map), but the one thing I can't find info on is WHAT is specifically different with LSPI oil and how it helps prevent it, I've read something about lower calcium amounts in the detergents but not sure if that's the only difference?
I would think the Collins map would be relatively safe. They tend to bring the power in gradually and not give you a massive wallop of torque when you floor it compared to other stage 2 maps.
Hi Steve. You did video a while back about replacing a lock on your friends fiesta st. I need some advice about taking off the inner door card, because the screw has rounded off, the one that holds the lock where you gain access to from the edge of the door under that little black cap. I'm feeling that the whole door card and glass will have to com out..
Hey Steve, newish subscriber. You must have saved me about 5 grand just in the videos I've watched as I go from stage 2 to 3/4 ish, so I at least owe you a pint! Quick Q - Do you run 5w30 or 5w20 oil? Only asking as I was struggling to find a 5w20 LSPI oil.
We don't get Millers LSPI in Aus. It's hard enough finding the correct Ford spec oil with the right A5 WSS number. They only seem to sell it here in Castrol Edge Proffessional 20L bottle at up to $400 a bottle. That's a really interesting video and good evidence backing up what you are saying. When I did they Stage 2 Showdown video, I definitely felt certain maps had a lot down low around 2000rpm and I meant a lot of punch. Glad I went with Revo for stage 2 now because you can feel how you get some low, a bit more after 2700ish rpm and then more again after 3000rpm. I guess boost and throttle control low down is taken into account with Revo.
I'm not sure why you are concerned about meeting the correct Ford WSS specification? Neither the WSS-M2C948-B (5w20) or the alternative WSS-M2C913-C (5w30) are API SN Plus or SP, and don't offer LSPI protection because it wasn't a well known issue when Ford wrote the manual.
@@richardbull5561 to be fair lspi is a now known issue, but that is just one component of potential engine failure. By the sounds, not booting it under 3000rpm is good protection. Not using the right spec oil for the moving parts could also lead to premature wear on bearings and other moving parts etc. The engine still needs the right spec oil to be sufficiently lubricated.
If you use a oil that's ilsac gf6, you'll be fine. Ford motorcraft USA have got their own brand of lspi oil now and the spec codes match the millers lspi codes from ford. If you search ford motorcraft UA-cam channel you will find their video and its all about the oil for ecoboosts.
@@Sparkplugsteve awesome thank you Steve. I appreciate the video and info. I just wanted to highlight to anyone reading that the engine parts themselves still need the right lubey lubey. You know what the internet is like, you will get people soley focussing on LSPI and disregarding what the moving parts actually need.
@@fordyford yes of course you want to use the right spec oil. But Ford just attaches a WSS code to whatever oil they are able to get their hands on, depending on location. And that spec is designed to suit many Ford petrol engines in the range (913C also is the 1.6 DIESEL recommend oil!) Ford doesn't make their own oil. Castrol magnatec meets the Ford M2C913-C spec. As does Penrite, Shell helix, nulon, Valvoline synpower and probably many others. If you read the history, manufacturers were loathe to recommend using an SN Plus when it was introduced around 2018, as that would have them admitting that their GDI engines suffered from LSPI. What I'm saying is, don't get caught up in trying to meet the WSS spec as well as being SN Plus or SP. As long as it meets the 5w30 spec and is fully synthetic you'll be fine, however if you want LSPI protection then make sure it's the latest SN Plus or SP. I wouldn't recommend using WSS-M2C948-B 5w20 here in Australia's summer heat.
Hi Steve, a quick question. I just installed a Turbosmart kompact recirc BOV. Now when i am at a standstill i can smell oil when revving it a bit. What could be the issue here? Asking cus you are basically the Fiesta ST guru.
Great video. How do they get around it when loggin cars tho or when there on the dyno as they accelerate from a low speed in a gear 3/4 surly this isn’t good then for the engine?
Currently stage 2 pro with peron, I’ve heard before that they’re known for blowing engines whilst I visted pumaspeed but didn’t know if that was typical sales talk, also been told to run 5w40 millers and touch wood nothings gone wrong but would like to change to laird. Is LSPI oil a specific kind?
Great vidya Steve! I always thought LSPI was a contributing factor to the 5 cylinder Volvo lumps splitting liners in the Focus’s. A little K04 turbo with 2.5 litres of capacity forcing its way through it 🤯
@@SparkplugsteveI'm thinking of this oil but the ford specs for this oil are different from the recommended ones for the ST. I've been told it's fine though and people run it with no issues.
Hi Steve. Umm I run Collins CP2e (stock turbo) I have always used Ford recommended Castrol 5/20. Do I need to consider a different oil do you think? Cheers
You shouldn't be using 5w20. Should be 5w30. I've been a Collins customer for about 5/6 years now. First i had cp2 then went to cp5 and its been like that for a couple of years on cp5 now and no problems what so ever. You'll find that Collins bring the power in very smoothly compared to other tuners for this exact problem.
@@carllatham1558 obviously it's entirely your choice, but you have to remember when mountune designed it warranty was kept in mind so it's a very tame map. First and second feel no different to a stock car as they're still restricted you just get a bit more of a pull from 3rd gear onwards. If you're not bothered about power I'd recommend you to keep it on the stock tune as genuinely for what you pay moutune 215 is seriously not worth it. Not trying to be that guy it's entirely your car dude but I can't tell you how many people I've seen left disappointed after installing it. If you want a really safe progressive map have a look at Collins Performance CP2.
@@carllatham1558 As the other guy said I wouldn't bother with MP215, mine was stock then MP215 for a couple of years, very little difference from stock with a bit more induction noise from the Mountune intake, I then went from MP215 to CP2 difference was night and day, CP2 so much smoother, progressive map, better MPG. So been there and done them both. I guarantee if you drove a MP215 car then a CP2 car you'd change your mind and save yourself a few hundred quid.
Thanks for the video Steve. I hadn’t heard of this before. I have an old peron stg1+ map. Please tell me this tune has gradual throttle input across the ‘danger zone’?
I've had problems with mine misfiring under heavy load across 2500rpm and even on 98ron fuel on the standard stg1 map. I'm suspecting there's some sort of safety check being turned off by the map but I don't have the time to log it all and solve the problem. I'm back on standard and E10 fuel and it's absolutely fine Also both maps do absolutely launch as boost comes in, they really aren't progressive at all
Maxd is safe dude, having spoke to someone it doesn't give max throttle angle until near 3k. You have to remember these cars have a small turbo and the spool up is very quick, so having an initial kick and for boost to tail off higher in the revs is normal.
As i said in the video i will not give anymore information than iv already shared. please dont message me asking if your tune is safe but if your concerned just use a lspi oil. you have nothing to lose by using it but a lot to gain. millers do a lspi specific oil or look for an oil thats ilsac GF6 which is the latest oil standards specification
H-Sport near Bath apparently service their customer cars with Millers LSPI. I hadn't heard of it before, but it's good to see that it's something they've considered and deem valuable
@alex98uk yes they do and their a great team of lads there.
@@Sparkplugsteve good to hear. My brother has got his car booked in there for a lot of work and I'll start using them next time I need servicing 👍🏻
All oils with SN+ and above are LSPI.
So what oil do u use on ur car miller’s 5w30 lspi
My piston failed due to lpsi and ive just rebuilt it and its running fine now, but having watched this and doing data logging with forscan I'm full throttle below 3000 rpm. The car is mapped with an off the shelf kess stage 1 map, so I'm wanting this off asap which stage 1 company would you recommend
Trs mapping and my dealer of choice would be H sport performance in bath
i think the main reason pistons blow is because drivers dont allow the oil temp to get to temp before they start to boot it they look at water temp and think its fine i always wait untill my cars warm and ive had no probs using normal oil. Love the vids by the way
Very informative video Steve, thank you.
A few years ago we bought a ST180 what felt very agressive and had a lot of torque steer (what my wife hated) and te power died off above 5000RPM.
A good few months later I ordered a CP2 map from Collins performance.
The car transformed in a positive way with a very progressive powerband all the way up to 6000RPM with very little torque steer at low RPM.
So I think that the car was already tuned with low RPM full throttle map and my GUESS is that the Collins CP2 map isn’t allowing this.
This is just my own experience with it and just a guess, never logged any of this.
Have no experience with LSPi oil, I’m using MPM EB oil.
Btw: i recently saw a ST250 engine with a exploded piston so I guess this LSPi is a problem with more boosted engines.
You say at the 8:50 minute mark, that there are other factors as well. Giving 100% throttle or "removing" torque limiters isn't necessarily a bad thing... It doesn't mean that the boost will spike at max boost at 1.5k rpm, it's up to the tuner to decide the desired boost/load/timing at specific rpm. I never had with my stage 1, 2 or 3 map such an overboost problem at such low rpm even at full throttle. The map you possibly refer to isn't a really popular one, because i can't imagine the big tuners doing something like that. And even if the car reaches peak boost at 2-2.5k rpm the timing strategy changes accordingly to ensure the desired load is met. Instead of telling people to use a certain oil, which is good because you really put a lot of effort learning about this stuff, you should preferrably tell people to avoid bad or risky tuners. Keep up the good videos :)
This is why I only use mountune (safe tuning) the M285 tune only has 360NM which is much lower than other company's around the same power.😉
I been saying for years mate some of the willywaver bigger bhp tuners are not running safe maps...👍👍
LSPI is better controlled with "tightening" the spark plug gap; especially when tuning for higher horsepower off small liter engines. Even choosing a Step Colder plug for that kind of duty and not going to a lower grade than an Iridium or Ruthenium. It also is beneficial to have the oil up to operating temp before going higher than 3500rpm.
There are an infinite number of drivers/owners that have no clue about engineering and friction to understand what damage they are doing revving their loud exhaust crackle and pops when first starting up the car OR starting it up and racing down the road like a lost puppy.
Thats got to be a peron map. Mix of blown pistons and aggressive mapping.
I agree with you 100%. Been using Amsoil 5W20 SS oil and been on the track few times in my Fiesta ST mk8 and had 0 problems even in hot day with 28C.
11:20 did you mentioned maxed out? Asking for a friend :-)
BTW it is also important to have a clean combustion chamber as any carbon deposits can cause hot spot which can lead to pre ignition especially on the track.
Great work Steve.
He didnt mention Maxd Out as in the tuning company, he stated the table he was looking at had been maxed out.
Correct thanks for pointing that out.
@@turbocharged9906 maxed out is maxed out🙂 Did I mentioned tuning company name? Any way I was asking for a friend and now I know - thx🙂
This video is making too much sense when looking at some issues I've had with a "reputable" tune. Very boosty and aggressive and misfires under full throttle at mid-revs. I've gone back to standard and not touching the other maps as I just don't trust them to grenade the engine.
Seat of the pants says it's too much for the engine to last
Great advice and very informative. It just shows the difference in tuners. It's safe to say stage 1s 2s and 3s are not equal.
You can see what mountune were so 'safe' in figures. Hardly any difference in gears 1 and 2 then you get the torque throughout the higher revs and gears.
I'm running Revo stage 1. It's definitely more perky than mountune and doesn't appear to give you it all at once so I'm presuming 'safe' as they claim to be designed over 1000s of miles testing.
I think the oil temp is definitely a contributing factor. You see people just jump into tuned hot hatches and wheel spin off or thrash it cold. I think it's been mentioned by a few in the comments. You definitely need to get the car upto temp (oil and not radiator).
I can't see why you'd want full boost and torque from the off. It's just asking to break stock parts on the car. I'd rather have it up the rev and gear range👍
I fully understand why you wouldn't name tuners. I've seen UA-cam Automotive people mention companies and having to do a grovelling apology days later (probably threatened with being sued😂).
Thanks and yes I do not want legal actions as you said.
I recently got 20 litre drum of Millers LSPI 5w30, I don't go WOT below 3k but will give the LSPI oil a go on next service.
PERFORMANCE FUELS THE WRONG ONE COULD BLOW YOUR ENGINE UP this talks about these issues and goes into more detail about what causes engine to fail during hard accel at lower rpm's. officially gassed og channel
Great video,
For reference regarding pressure, the value in kPA stated on your software is from absolute zero (vacuum), the earth atmosphere adds approx 100kPa or 1bar. Hence most gauges are set to 1bar above absolute zero (that we commonly use), this is known as barg (bar gauge), this is why you can get negative pressure, which really doesn't exist. its just pressure below the atmospheric pressure. Ford I suspect use absolute pressure as the car sees regularly sub atmospheric pressure. 0 barA = -1barG, 1barA=0barG (this is surface of earth typical pressure), 2barA = 1barG etc etc
Fun way I think of it is, when you suck on a straw when you drink, you are lowering the pressure in your mouth and the pressure of the atmosphere, is still 100Kpa or 1bar, hence the liquid is being pushed by the atmosphere into your mouth. fluid always travels to lower pressure.
Great video very informative! Mines just blown a piston on cyclinder 1 and I had no idea this was even a thing till now, thank you
Another great video Steve keep them coming! Personally I think a lot of LSPI problems are caused by driver error… loading the engine at low rpm in a high gear etc.
This mixed with tuners that just want to sell the highest horsepower per stage to get the willywavers custom🤣👍
😂 I agree 100%
I didn't realize the ST180 had LSPI, I just thought it was a ST250 thing. I assume the info also crosses over to my ST250.
Excellent video this could explain why we had so many warranty returns at ford engine plant Bridgend 😀
Did not know about Lspi if I am honest with you Steve, so thanks for the heads up on the info, also did not know that a stage 1 remap would be so aggressive on throtle at so low RPM.
I don't think a lot of companies that sell parts or maps digged deep into the lspi problem so all extra information is welcome.
What’s the best oil for the fiesta st180 then?
Do you think that the shift arrow light actually contributes to this? At 35 the car wants me to drive in 6th gear! Surely that’s just dumb?
This is a really good question anyone help on this matter
It won't have anything to do with the pre-detonation, but yeah, don't go into 6th unless you're cruising on a straight at 40mph (on the clock) or over. The arrow just comes on if it detects the throttle is steady and the next gear will allow 1500rpm, it's not clever enough to know there's a slight hill coming up, etc.
Makes you think. I have a stage 2 map from Sabre and whilst they have a really good reputation, it comes in really hard low down compared to Collins CP2 which I had before.
With reference to the subject in the video, does anyone know how Sabre manages their tunes?
That's because Collins are generic to suit every stage 2 car so they have to be safe because every car Is different and will behave differently even with the same tune, sabre is custom to the car so they know exactly how far they can push it, I have a sabre tuned focus rs and it comes in savagely aggressive but it's awesome fun and has never missed a beat. If you have any issues just get in touch with the tuner instead of asking people on the Internet because you won't know the exact truth unless it comes from them.
I have downloaded the HP tuners to check my map parameters, but it cant open the file my tuner have sended me, which is .usr
Can anybody help me how to convert/open that file in HP tuners?
You need the hp tuners obd tool to view files
Ok, so if i understand correctly. Only VCM Editor isnt enough, i would need to buy their OBD reader.
Abother question, i have checked my throttle position with forscan. And it is 74% all the time from 2000 rpm on atleast. Wherever i read that value should be 84%. Also looks like i dont have lspi “safe” map.. also from respectable tuner..
But why 74%, have you ever seen these number as a max value?
Also, do you remember your peak boost values from when you were stage 1/2.
My is topping at 248 kpa (1,48 bar).
@dominikmugerli7392 throttle position is only part of the tuning. So you can't just assume its bad because of that as they may have restricted other parts of the map but without seeing it you won't really know. Stage 1 and 2 are best left at oem throttle strategy though imo. And yes you need the obd2 to read and view files. Editor alone won't work
This is def a Peron map
Is like isnt it simong
@@scott7010 no mate
100%
So how does the oil actually help? I’ve got a stage 3 x47r with maxd out map I had a coil pack misfire on boost but apart from that it’s been good as gold.
That misfire will be a bad coil or plug. The oil will be beneficial regardless of tune.
Calcium in the oil can cause the fuel to ignite to early while the piston is rising and cause a massive amount of cylinder pressure. The oil gets in the cylinder from the bore and ring lubrication
Thanks Steve. Very informative and I learnt something today
Really enjoyed this video, thanks mate, more stuff like this would be nice!
Excellent video and I use Miller's 5w30 LSPI in my ST with the CP2-E map (Excellent map), but the one thing I can't find info on is WHAT is specifically different with LSPI oil and how it helps prevent it, I've read something about lower calcium amounts in the detergents but not sure if that's the only difference?
I would think the Collins map would be relatively safe. They tend to bring the power in gradually and not give you a massive wallop of torque when you floor it compared to other stage 2 maps.
With 100% at 1500 rpm it must have big over boost and this is not nice.
Hi Steve. You did video a while back about replacing a lock on your friends fiesta st. I need some advice about taking off the inner door card, because the screw has rounded off, the one that holds the lock where you gain access to from the edge of the door under that little black cap. I'm feeling that the whole door card and glass will have to com out..
Hey Steve, newish subscriber. You must have saved me about 5 grand just in the videos I've watched as I go from stage 2 to 3/4 ish, so I at least owe you a pint! Quick Q - Do you run 5w30 or 5w20 oil? Only asking as I was struggling to find a 5w20 LSPI oil.
I use 5w30 in mine 🙂 thanks.
@@Sparkplugsteve Spot on thank you - that's another pint.
We don't get Millers LSPI in Aus.
It's hard enough finding the correct Ford spec oil with the right A5 WSS number. They only seem to sell it here in Castrol Edge Proffessional 20L bottle at up to $400 a bottle.
That's a really interesting video and good evidence backing up what you are saying.
When I did they Stage 2 Showdown video, I definitely felt certain maps had a lot down low around 2000rpm and I meant a lot of punch.
Glad I went with Revo for stage 2 now because you can feel how you get some low, a bit more after 2700ish rpm and then more again after 3000rpm. I guess boost and throttle control low down is taken into account with Revo.
I'm not sure why you are concerned about meeting the correct Ford WSS specification? Neither the WSS-M2C948-B (5w20) or the alternative WSS-M2C913-C (5w30) are API SN Plus or SP, and don't offer LSPI protection because it wasn't a well known issue when Ford wrote the manual.
@@richardbull5561 to be fair lspi is a now known issue, but that is just one component of potential engine failure.
By the sounds, not booting it under 3000rpm is good protection.
Not using the right spec oil for the moving parts could also lead to premature wear on bearings and other moving parts etc. The engine still needs the right spec oil to be sufficiently lubricated.
If you use a oil that's ilsac gf6, you'll be fine. Ford motorcraft USA have got their own brand of lspi oil now and the spec codes match the millers lspi codes from ford. If you search ford motorcraft UA-cam channel you will find their video and its all about the oil for ecoboosts.
@@Sparkplugsteve awesome thank you Steve.
I appreciate the video and info. I just wanted to highlight to anyone reading that the engine parts themselves still need the right lubey lubey. You know what the internet is like, you will get people soley focussing on LSPI and disregarding what the moving parts actually need.
@@fordyford yes of course you want to use the right spec oil. But Ford just attaches a WSS code to whatever oil they are able to get their hands on, depending on location. And that spec is designed to suit many Ford petrol engines in the range (913C also is the 1.6 DIESEL recommend oil!) Ford doesn't make their own oil. Castrol magnatec meets the Ford M2C913-C spec. As does Penrite, Shell helix, nulon, Valvoline synpower and probably many others. If you read the history, manufacturers were loathe to recommend using an SN Plus when it was introduced around 2018, as that would have them admitting that their GDI engines suffered from LSPI. What I'm saying is, don't get caught up in trying to meet the WSS spec as well as being SN Plus or SP. As long as it meets the 5w30 spec and is fully synthetic you'll be fine, however if you want LSPI protection then make sure it's the latest SN Plus or SP. I wouldn't recommend using WSS-M2C948-B 5w20 here in Australia's summer heat.
Looks like a peron map on that stage 2 file if I’m honest😳
Definitely looks like peron/vudu
Would never have known about this without watching you Steve, now I’ll never not use Millers LSPI
Hi Steve, a quick question. I just installed a Turbosmart kompact recirc BOV. Now when i am at a standstill i can smell oil when revving it a bit. What could be the issue here? Asking cus you are basically the Fiesta ST guru.
Hi sorry iv never fitted one of them so I don't know
Great video. How do they get around it when loggin cars tho or when there on the dyno as they accelerate from a low speed in a gear 3/4 surly this isn’t good then for the engine?
This is the oil I've bought for my next service, Should be good!
Currently stage 2 pro with peron, I’ve heard before that they’re known for blowing engines whilst I visted pumaspeed but didn’t know if that was typical sales talk, also been told to run 5w40 millers and touch wood nothings gone wrong but would like to change to laird. Is LSPI oil a specific kind?
Millers do a specific lspi oil. But the latest test standard for oil is ilsac gf6 and all oils meeting that standard have passed the lspi tests.
Get rid of Peron mate
Go to Maxd 2R dude much more progressive and safe power whilst still feeling aggressive.
All oils that meet SN+ or Plus and above standards or ILSAC GF-6 are protecting from LSPI not only millers lspi🙂
Did you go direct to peron or aet?
Now that's some quality knowledge shared here!
Sorry most of this gone way over my head .
So bad tuners letting in too much boost too early .
Im stage 3 .
So lspi oil is a go or a no
use lspi oil yeah
Great vidya Steve! I always thought LSPI was a contributing factor to the 5 cylinder Volvo lumps splitting liners in the Focus’s. A little K04 turbo with 2.5 litres of capacity forcing its way through it 🤯
They're port injected so LSPI wont be the cause.
@@turbocharged9906 how so?
Great video Steve very informative, thank you.
I'm on board with you on this.
Can someone give me a link to this lspi oil don’t wanna get the wrong one
Just google millers lspi 5w30 and you can't go wrong.
@@SparkplugsteveI'm thinking of this oil but the ford specs for this oil are different from the recommended ones for the ST. I've been told it's fine though and people run it with no issues.
Interesting. Thanks
Good stuff, Steve!
Excellent advice!
So you think trs are no good?
Everyone assumes I have that opinion and jumps to conclusion so just wanted to be clear this was nothing about trs. Its not their map.
It's almost like all the tables have been MAXD.
Certainly not.
This isnt a Maxd tune, its Peron.
Maxd actually do things properly and bring in load gradually and leave safety on.
@@turbocharged9906 Was a joke since he kept saying maxed 🤣
Hi Steve. Umm I run Collins CP2e (stock turbo) I have always used Ford recommended Castrol 5/20. Do I need to consider a different oil do you think? Cheers
Mate collins maps are really good an linear to be fair
You shouldn't be using 5w20. Should be 5w30. I've been a Collins customer for about 5/6 years now. First i had cp2 then went to cp5 and its been like that for a couple of years on cp5 now and no problems what so ever. You'll find that Collins bring the power in very smoothly compared to other tuners for this exact problem.
@@filmboy18 Thanks for the info. Handbook says 5/20 and last service at Ford main dealer that's what they put in it? Thoughts?
Handbook should say 5w 20 or 5w 30. Either is fine
@@fasthracing Collins say 5w30 is too thin. They know more than me so i listen to them. If you want to use that then whatever. EDIT: 5w20 is too thin.
Good video and advice. Atm I'm in a standard map, but I will be going mp215 in the near future so I will consider this advice for the oil.
Save your money and get a decent stage 1
@@bf3256 thanks for the advice. But I'll stick with MP215, if it's good enough for ford to fit to their cars then that's enough for me.
@@carllatham1558 obviously it's entirely your choice, but you have to remember when mountune designed it warranty was kept in mind so it's a very tame map. First and second feel no different to a stock car as they're still restricted you just get a bit more of a pull from 3rd gear onwards. If you're not bothered about power I'd recommend you to keep it on the stock tune as genuinely for what you pay moutune 215 is seriously not worth it. Not trying to be that guy it's entirely your car dude but I can't tell you how many people I've seen left disappointed after installing it. If you want a really safe progressive map have a look at Collins Performance CP2.
@@bf3256 Can confirm that the Collins CP2 map is very progressive and smooth.
@@carllatham1558 As the other guy said I wouldn't bother with MP215, mine was stock then MP215 for a couple of years, very little difference from stock with a bit more induction noise from the Mountune intake, I then went from MP215 to CP2 difference was night and day, CP2 so much smoother, progressive map, better MPG. So been there and done them both. I guarantee if you drove a MP215 car then a CP2 car you'd change your mind and save yourself a few hundred quid.
Thanks for the video Steve. I hadn’t heard of this before. I have an old peron stg1+ map. Please tell me this tune has gradual throttle input across the ‘danger zone’?
I've had problems with mine misfiring under heavy load across 2500rpm and even on 98ron fuel on the standard stg1 map. I'm suspecting there's some sort of safety check being turned off by the map but I don't have the time to log it all and solve the problem. I'm back on standard and E10 fuel and it's absolutely fine
Also both maps do absolutely launch as boost comes in, they really aren't progressive at all
Hopefully maxd is okay but afraid there not as it’s really pokey down low :(
That's a good thing, that's exactly what will cause lspi
Maxd is safe dude, having spoke to someone it doesn't give max throttle angle until near 3k. You have to remember these cars have a small turbo and the spool up is very quick, so having an initial kick and for boost to tail off higher in the revs is normal.
Maxd tunes are sound mate. One of the best you'll get on the MK7
@sparkplugsteve please map my car lol