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  • Stephen A. & JJ Redick GET HEATED over Mad Dog's Jaylen Brown max contract talk 👀 | First Take
    Stephen A. Smith, Chris "Mad Dog" Russo and JJ Redick debate whether the Boston Celtics should give Jaylen Brown a max contract.
    0:00 Mad Dog says the Celtics need to make changes
    1:35 JJ Redick responds to Mad Dog's take
    3:00 You can't bring back the same team! - Mad Dog
    6:00 Stephen A. and Mad Dog get into heated debate
    7:12 JJ Redick says he deserves the max contract
    10:55 Celtics best move going forward?
    14:45 Miami was gonna win game 7 with or without Tatum's ankle being hurt - Mad Dog
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  • @ZeroPrince15
    @ZeroPrince15 11 місяців тому +538

    “The Jokic in Dallas” had me dying 😂💀

  • @adequatequality
    @adequatequality 11 місяців тому +360

    Stephen A: *breathes*
    JJ Redick: “This is what’s wrong with NBA media”

    • @Asherrager
      @Asherrager 11 місяців тому +5

      The Warriors of Truth

    • @shaundrahammond3282
      @shaundrahammond3282 11 місяців тому +21

      He's not wrong

    • @kant5696
      @kant5696 11 місяців тому +25

      @@Asherrager god forbid they hold players accountable. I get not shaming them like their career is over after the eries ends but jj likes to sugarcoat just to stay in everyone’s good graces

    • @catastrophecookies6066
      @catastrophecookies6066 11 місяців тому +3

      😂😂😂😂 so much facts. Dude talking like Erik Spoelstra not coaching a NBA team in the finals right now

    • @AlexL415
      @AlexL415 11 місяців тому +3

      @@kant5696 I’ve noticed the same. It’s ok to honestly assessing a player. Don’t get why it’s treated like a crime by some pundits.

  • @darnellclemm135
    @darnellclemm135 11 місяців тому +81

    The look on SA and JJ’s face when he said Thompson is priceless 😂😂😂

    • @quinleonard7171
      @quinleonard7171 11 місяців тому +1

      Ong 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @kmax1223
      @kmax1223 11 місяців тому

      Same exact genuine reaction lol

    • @brixaabrixaa3390
      @brixaabrixaa3390 11 місяців тому +1

      He should have said derozan

  • @Cheif_Espada
    @Cheif_Espada 11 місяців тому +73

    He’s literally about to drop 20 legit names better than Brown lmfao

    • @MB-gd6be
      @MB-gd6be 11 місяців тому +2

      Not hard... he's maybe in the outside top 30

    • @c.h.5510
      @c.h.5510 11 місяців тому +1

      It's 32 teams... so, he's pretty good 😂

    • @Cheif_Espada
      @Cheif_Espada 11 місяців тому +3

      Na the point is MD said hes not Top 20 and SAS said name 20, and he was about to do it immediately but they stopped him at first. The first line of a paragraph isn’t always the main idea guys.

    • @JohnSmith-uw4jp
      @JohnSmith-uw4jp 10 місяців тому

      @@c.h.5510 good just not great

  • @angelocordero2
    @angelocordero2 11 місяців тому +233

    You got mad dog just yelling about anything, Stephen A. Saying jimmy isn’t top 20, JJ in absolute disbelief of what’s being said by both, and Molly just talking in the background not being listened to 😂😂😂😂 this segment had me rolling

    • @peterjacoby8019
      @peterjacoby8019 11 місяців тому +16

      i thought mad dog looked the dumbest until SaS said brown is better than butler hahahahaha

    • @marcelmarshall4240
      @marcelmarshall4240 11 місяців тому +4

      Jimmy is not top twenty. He just played a series where he disappeared for three games. That’s almost HALF the games. That’s not a good player. He is inconsistent like 95 percent of the players in this era. He has ZERO go to moves. The most overrated dude in the last decade…easily. The NBA is desperate for new stars because Bron is leaving and there will be no more after he and Curry. No one is carrying the league after them. These dudes are just not charismatic, nor do they have the CONSISTENT skill and star power.

    • @TheManFromKansas
      @TheManFromKansas 11 місяців тому +6

      Molly never gets listened to, she just there to look pretty, and she does that very well.

    • @2TrainWakefield
      @2TrainWakefield 11 місяців тому

      @@marcelmarshall4240Word. Giannis was supposed to be him. Giannis in a weird limbo right now in my opinion. Then Ja Morant shot himself in the foot and Zion is not built no type of way. This French guy is the next big thing apparently idk. Everyone is boring and not a star.

    • @jasontyson3658
      @jasontyson3658 11 місяців тому +5

      @@marcelmarshall4240 By that logic Brown isn't top 50 because he disappears in 3/4 of Boston games in the playoffs

  • @cj2k780
    @cj2k780 11 місяців тому +130

    That was actually a great list of 20 players better than Jaylen Brown

    • @Hennyguerrero
      @Hennyguerrero 11 місяців тому +51

      He missed fox and bruson 😂

    • @jorge0123mj
      @jorge0123mj 11 місяців тому +6

      ​@@Hennyguerreroby the time you list fox and Brunson, you'd have a legit argument about who's better out of those 3

    • @ChillestSkeleton
      @ChillestSkeleton 11 місяців тому +23

      @@jorge0123mj I’d personally rather have both those guys over brown but thats me

    • @shinekarter8426
      @shinekarter8426 11 місяців тому +5

      BI is not better

    • @jorge0123mj
      @jorge0123mj 11 місяців тому

      @@ChillestSkeleton and i wouldn't argue with you on that. But you can make a compelling argument for listing any of those guys 1, 2, 3

  • @sakthithanigai5036
    @sakthithanigai5036 11 місяців тому +88

    I actually agree with Mad Dog for once. Jaylen Brown hasn’t improved his game outside of his shooting from midrange at all the last 2-3 years. His handle is still poor, he still can’t playmake, and he still has a ton of lapses on defense when he’s not on ball. And his shot profile is still incredibly difficult. If I’m paying you a supermax I’m paying you on what you’ve done and what I think you’ll do. I haven’t seen anything from brown that suggests he’s gonna improve so much. Coming off that finals loss I thought he would, but tatum was the only one that came out better significantly

    • @williambullard9244
      @williambullard9244 11 місяців тому

      And Stephen A said the same thing about Jalen isn't a no. 1 so he doesn't deserve the max and they should trade Brown for Lillard..

    • @terrickscott2151
      @terrickscott2151 11 місяців тому

      SMH all y’all stupid

    • @stevengordon3271
      @stevengordon3271 11 місяців тому

      Not an argument against a sign-and-trade.

    • @peat381low8
      @peat381low8 10 місяців тому

      Trade Brown for defensive guys or something like that. Boston needs some dogs that can run all day. Like Butler

    • @SamUHells
      @SamUHells Місяць тому +1

      Y’all know nothing about basketball 😂

  • @lucasamoriim5126
    @lucasamoriim5126 11 місяців тому +178

    I get where JJ comes from, being a former player he will never say a player "doesn't deserve a bag" but let's be real. A bad supermax deal will break a franchise, especially with the new CBA. I don't think franchises should give that kind of money to any player unless they're certain that that player can be the best player on a championship team.

    • @zType2
      @zType2 11 місяців тому +4

      Lowkey, Kris Middleton would be an amazing fit in place of Brown.

    • @SirGenesis206
      @SirGenesis206 11 місяців тому +8

      Exactly. JJ gives great analysis most of the time, but him refusing to hold individual players accountable does annoy me.

    • @TheChessRunner
      @TheChessRunner 11 місяців тому +4

      a bad super max doesn't break a team. All supermax players are worth their money. Some are worth more than they money, but can't get it(top 10/15). It is bad 20/30million contracts that will break franchices under new CBA and will see less of those

    • @user-cu7kb8gi2e
      @user-cu7kb8gi2e 11 місяців тому +2

      ​@@TheChessRunner they do break franchise That's why at the end of those super maxes they trade the players like Westbrook and John Wall

    • @TheChessRunner
      @TheChessRunner 11 місяців тому

      @@user-cu7kb8gi2e an injured player and player that was traded to literally the worst fit of a team.
      Comparison makes no sense

  • @pranavkamath
    @pranavkamath 11 місяців тому +312

    Molly giving Mad Dog homework on Live TV is peak ESPN First Take moment. 😭😭

    • @Alex-sf9bo
      @Alex-sf9bo 11 місяців тому

      Mazzula ruined the Celtics team had no urgency in game 7 .

    • @CulEdz
      @CulEdz 11 місяців тому +10

      Not at all. Skip vs Stephen A is the peak of ESPN First Take.

    • @BijinMCMXC
      @BijinMCMXC 11 місяців тому +1

      ⁠@@CulEdz right lol Molly tries too hard “you work on the little list” um what 😅

  • @DXAdamJensen
    @DXAdamJensen 11 місяців тому +552

    It's been awhile, but we finally got a good old fashion debate between Stephen A and Mad Dog. When they go at it, it's fantastic

    • @Santiago_RS
      @Santiago_RS 11 місяців тому +11

      Facts, I love me some good old First Take screaming 🤣🤣

    • @tdot8645
      @tdot8645 11 місяців тому

      Mad dog sucks zero ball knowledge

    • @KFBALL247
      @KFBALL247 11 місяців тому

      Absolute clowns. All the screaming is super unnecessary. Sound like a bunch of loud mouth idiots. Is this really what sports shows are trending towards? Who wants to listen to these blowhards yell at each other for 10 minutes

    • @rankobarensic
      @rankobarensic 11 місяців тому +7

      New York at his finest😂

    • @kyhxx
      @kyhxx 11 місяців тому +2

      . etc - th replies spot on ^

  • @Noahdudenumbernine
    @Noahdudenumbernine 11 місяців тому +73

    molly saying “can you guys let him finish” is the definition of irony

    • @bastianogero9609
      @bastianogero9609 11 місяців тому +16

      I can't understand this woman she keeps interrupting

    • @raymondsims7042
      @raymondsims7042 10 місяців тому

      @@bastianogero9609 she’s gorgeous but Jesus she’s annoying

  • @carlmuir6880
    @carlmuir6880 11 місяців тому +27

    JJ himself said 2 similiar stars doesn't work. The argument isn't if Brown is worth it, it's if the Celtics are supposed to commit to both Brown and Tatum longterm. JJ's old argument says trade Brown for a star with a different skillset than Tatum.

  • @CaptainMorgan45
    @CaptainMorgan45 11 місяців тому +371

    Great debate... Wednesdays on first take are always a must watch

    • @mura0
      @mura0 11 місяців тому +17

      yeah that was really entertaining.

    • @Alex-sf9bo
      @Alex-sf9bo 11 місяців тому +1

      Mazzula ruined the Celtics team had no urgency in game 7

    • @jaysonsmith7264
      @jaysonsmith7264 11 місяців тому +4

      nothing on first take is a must watch

    • @benjaminratthe9904
      @benjaminratthe9904 11 місяців тому +3

      ​@@jaysonsmith7264 Nothing is a must watch

    • @blkmind4u
      @blkmind4u 11 місяців тому +1

      Not when Molly is on.

  • @ravezjones7218
    @ravezjones7218 11 місяців тому +112

    Stephen A comparing 360 over 9 years in baseball to 300 over 5 in NBA....

    • @Mrjdog304
      @Mrjdog304 11 місяців тому +20

      Exactly baseball doesn't have a salary cap

    • @toptiertech7291
      @toptiertech7291 11 місяців тому +7

      His point is that the guy didn’t say “but they didn’t win anything” when they got paid

    • @drugslikexanax
      @drugslikexanax 11 місяців тому +3

      Exactly comparing dollar figures when the argument is MAX contracts. Doesn’t matter if it’s 300 today & 400 in a couple years it’s still given the term max contracts so they’re argument is stupid imo

    • @matzleeach
      @matzleeach 11 місяців тому +7

      I agreed with Mad Dod. There are 30 teams In the NBA…… with 1-3 good top players on a team. Where is Brown rank? Not top 20-25 more like 30-35.
      I disagree with Steve A saying Brown is rank higher than Jimmy Buckets.

    • @Rafa_AISA
      @Rafa_AISA 11 місяців тому

      @@matzleeach he’s top 25 for sure

  • @vante474
    @vante474 11 місяців тому +81

    That Jimmy Butler take was wild! He can't honestly sit there and say he'd take Brown over him that was bogus

    • @antonquirgst2812
      @antonquirgst2812 11 місяців тому +2

      long term maybe though... Butler turned 34 - Browns ten year younger

    • @vante474
      @vante474 11 місяців тому +14

      @Anton Quirgst yea, but I'm pretty sure they meant in the moment. Otherwise, LeBron, KD, and Steph wouldn't be on that list

    • @antonquirgst2812
      @antonquirgst2812 11 місяців тому +1

      @@vante474 totally agree- but going for that max is a 5 year investment youd rather put on brown than lets say a Harden or at this stage Lebron

    • @charlesjones5810
      @charlesjones5810 11 місяців тому

      ​@@antonquirgst2812jyu 3:39 m60😅i😢7j6😅iu😂😅47m0 4:01 78🎉u😅7😊 4😅di😢:09 just4🎉I u
      Ok i🎉7kr
      😮i😅8i0 4:18 8th u6j 8

    • @matthewlws86
      @matthewlws86 11 місяців тому +1

      It’s an age thing and brown has potential to keep gettin better and better. Last year I had brown and Tatum neck and neck. Brown either regressed this year or Tatum got better.

  • @DuckDaPhillyFan
    @DuckDaPhillyFan 11 місяців тому +21

    Lol at JJ
    “He’s not gonna get to 25” 😂😂😂

  • @cpr467
    @cpr467 11 місяців тому +78

    LET MAD DOG LIST THEM 😂

  • @narrickcuz
    @narrickcuz 11 місяців тому +100

    It’s crazy cause Mad Dogs list was SPOT ON. Jaylen Brown has been able to play second fiddle with Tatum but he this whole post season never stepped up. He was the most consistent considering Tatum was so shakey but Brown had a horrible conference finals by his own standards. He’s a top 25 player yes but he’s not worth 300 million IF you can find better pieces. Boston relies on them two way too much

    • @kevingoulet3324
      @kevingoulet3324 11 місяців тому

      😂😂😂

    • @ricolaw2293
      @ricolaw2293 11 місяців тому +4

      Facts! He ain't 1 bit wrong.

    • @potheadbailey9952
      @potheadbailey9952 11 місяців тому +4

      His list is invalid i heard at least 3 players who can’t see Brown yall Trollin 😂

    • @mrbigrzl
      @mrbigrzl 11 місяців тому +2

      @@potheadbailey9952 who?

    • @NankoRi
      @NankoRi 11 місяців тому +2

      @@potheadbailey9952 what 3 players precisely?

  • @explosivo631ny
    @explosivo631ny 11 місяців тому +3

    I enjoyed the list off the top of the head. Good energy on the segment. The baseball and the names with the salary was great debating with.

  • @scarfrake1186
    @scarfrake1186 11 місяців тому +9

    “I’ll give you 5-6 more if you let me think about it” 😭💀

  • @alejandroherrera5271
    @alejandroherrera5271 11 місяців тому +74

    Mad Dog and SAS going at it is pure gold 😂

  • @MadeMeSmile1
    @MadeMeSmile1 11 місяців тому +91

    Stephen A got heated this segment bc Molly called JJ Handsome….

  • @OneFoursEmperor
    @OneFoursEmperor 11 місяців тому +14

    Stephen A had mad dog under pressure naming the list 😂😂😂😂

  • @tyrellleach1846
    @tyrellleach1846 11 місяців тому +14

    Mad Dogg is hilarious. "Do you remember the 51 Knicks?" 😂 Nobody does bro haha

    • @jpowell47
      @jpowell47 11 місяців тому

      😂😂😂

    • @MB-gd6be
      @MB-gd6be 11 місяців тому +1

      That's because people tend to think sports started from 2000.

    • @rankobarensic
      @rankobarensic 10 місяців тому

      Lmao❤

    • @BratatoChip
      @BratatoChip 10 місяців тому

      @@MB-gd6beno because we aren’t 75 years old

  • @riverofcustard3233
    @riverofcustard3233 11 місяців тому +164

    The problem is that Tatum and Brown have similar skillsets so they don't complement each other as a duo, also the Celtics offense is basically ISO's and threes

    • @jaytheactivist8520
      @jaytheactivist8520 11 місяців тому +21

      They need a PG for YEARS

    • @LilMarv
      @LilMarv 11 місяців тому +6

      Agree , and neither can handle the ball, maybe they need to get rid of smart for a true point guard

    • @DuckDaPhillyFan
      @DuckDaPhillyFan 11 місяців тому +2

      You just said EVERYTHING I’ve been saying for the last few years. It’s ISO ISO ISO. That’s it!

    • @33johnuelpr
      @33johnuelpr 11 місяців тому

      totally the opposite of last year, they were trash shooting the 3 but they were able to jus score in the paint the whole game

    • @The7thGuru
      @The7thGuru 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@DuckDaPhillyFan it wasnt with Ime. He had them tops in the league in assists from Jan 1, 2022 to his exit.

  • @ytcgking
    @ytcgking 11 місяців тому +244

    Molly improved a lot. She is no longer annoying when stopping a guest becoz she is actually onto something. Like in this case the points from everybody are made but the arguing is taking too long and she progressed the show. Her voice is still pitchy but it's not her fault that she has to talk on top of her lung all the time over screaming men. I been a long time audience and I just want to give Molly her flowers after all the heat she took

    • @jeanclaudehatem1956
      @jeanclaudehatem1956 11 місяців тому +8

      Facts

    • @BijinMCMXC
      @BijinMCMXC 11 місяців тому +39

      She’s still annoying because she tries to play debater.

    • @EmVThree
      @EmVThree 11 місяців тому +25

      Ehhh I disagree. There were plenty of times in this video where she went beyond moderating and tried to enter the debate, and the whole last quarter of the video I couldn’t hear anyone speak without her voice on top of everyone

    • @johnoriol9016
      @johnoriol9016 11 місяців тому +7

      That was a lie

    • @TheGreatWesternTrendkill
      @TheGreatWesternTrendkill 11 місяців тому +6

      molly focus on getting better (being silent more often) instead of hyping yourself in the comment sections

  • @ujustgotjuiced8537
    @ujustgotjuiced8537 11 місяців тому

    Good debate made me smile after a long day at work thanks mad dog I loved it

  • @nabeelsiddiqui5724
    @nabeelsiddiqui5724 11 місяців тому +37

    This was one of the funnier segments in a while. Mad Dog is a troll😂

    • @HamptonGuitars
      @HamptonGuitars 11 місяців тому +6

      But he's right, paying him max (& supermax) will destroy the team's ability to sign anyone once
      Tatum & he get 60% of the team's payroll.

    • @thesean3194
      @thesean3194 11 місяців тому +3

      Mad dog is the most well researched and multi sport versed critic on ESPN. Can he troll? Yes. And backs it up with stats to form his opinions. Unless you like JJ who is sensitive and cares about basketball players’ feelings.

    • @marcusmclean3842
      @marcusmclean3842 11 місяців тому +3

      He wasn't even trolling though lol

  • @twotwotwo.
    @twotwotwo. 11 місяців тому +309

    The problem is that Brown and Tatum are playing PG when they are wing players, and Marcus smart isnt a true guard, they gotta give Brogdon a chance

    • @johnson32
      @johnson32 11 місяців тому +12

      Cs giving him a chance but he cant make it because of his injury.

    • @benben8054
      @benben8054 11 місяців тому +6

      Yes he was doing good until the injury

    • @rhlang11
      @rhlang11 11 місяців тому +1

      bingo

    • @OGRondo9
      @OGRondo9 11 місяців тому +9

      They aren't and never have played point guard. Which team did you watch this year because with that comment it clearly wasn't the Boston Celtics.

    • @deeshotcha2250
      @deeshotcha2250 11 місяців тому

      The problem is they young n have room to grow n Marcus smart is our pg vet n dpoy

  • @atlttyl9160
    @atlttyl9160 11 місяців тому +195

    17:27 is hilarious 😂😂. He took all the energy out the room .

    • @hollywoodmvp19
      @hollywoodmvp19 11 місяців тому +21

      I had go back to hear who he said lol. How they rolled their eyes on klay smh but be loving him when they mention warriors 😂😂😂😂.

    • @ayodeleadeyanju7235
      @ayodeleadeyanju7235 11 місяців тому +7

      @@hollywoodmvp19 lmaooo because Klay ain’t that guy anymore, mad dog knows nothing about basketball

    • @thsu8
      @thsu8 11 місяців тому +18

      I thought Mad Dog meant Tristan Thompson because there’s no possible way he could have been talking about Klay “3-19” Thompson.

    • @hollywoodmvp19
      @hollywoodmvp19 11 місяців тому

      @@ayodeleadeyanju7235 so you would take brown over klay? With knowing what each can do?

    • @alexfigura1871
      @alexfigura1871 11 місяців тому +6

      @@ayodeleadeyanju7235
      you're right BUT Klay almost averaged a career high in points this season and has 4 rings including one last season where he was actually better than Tatum in the finals (Tatum was awful to be fair).
      Klay also had 300 three pointers this season the most of his career. The Warriors beat the 3 seed Kings with Klay averaging over 20 ppg in that series before being awful vs Lakers.
      Klay isn't that guy anymore but it's easy to see why a Casual Fan like Mad Dog can look at stats like this and make that mistake.
      Mad Dog doesn't know the details of basketball but he knows enough to make decent arguments at least something worth a debate.
      His list of 20 really wasn't that awful. It depends if you value playoff vs regular season performance. Kyrie is flat out better than Jaylen Brown if you are talking specifically playoffs and same thing Kawhi and PG13 if healthy. Brown has never had a playoff run like George did in 2021.
      I would also have Jalen Brunson, D'Aron Fox, and probably Zion ahead of Brown.
      The Zion one won't sound fair but Zion absolutely has a higher upside than Brown when healthy.

  • @cartelnik0
    @cartelnik0 11 місяців тому +3

    When he said “what about Thompson” and JJ gave him that “…alright”, I died lol

  • @tylerfred7514
    @tylerfred7514 11 місяців тому +3

    The new cba is about to really change how these contracts are given out.
    It’s going to be hard having 2 players make up that high if a percentage of your team’s salary. There is basically a hard cap when you count all the penalties by going over the second level

  • @muradyboy934
    @muradyboy934 11 місяців тому +258

    Problem with Boston is they don't play team basketball they always taking turns on offense,they also take way too many contested 3s

    • @Alex-sf9bo
      @Alex-sf9bo 11 місяців тому +21

      Mazzula ruined the Celtics team had no urgency in game 7

    • @Alex-sf9bo
      @Alex-sf9bo 11 місяців тому +14

      Brown takes so many forced contested shots instead of kicking it out

    • @jonesgreen9942
      @jonesgreen9942 11 місяців тому +12

      @@Alex-sf9bothat’s the offensive philosophy, the are a heavy iso offense and the head coach needs to change that, help them get easier shots also get a Real PG. But they can’t keep both too much money .. JB will be gone.

    • @ETMusicPage
      @ETMusicPage 11 місяців тому +16

      Boston Hero ball is the problem

    • @buttsauce123
      @buttsauce123 11 місяців тому +2

      @@jonesgreen9942 thats the thing is theyre not supposed to be and arent until theyre struggling abd then they always regress back into that play style against the coach’s wishes. Its ridiculous and frustrating

  • @BryanHo
    @BryanHo 11 місяців тому +403

    The problem is that the new CBA makes it even harder to keep two max players on the same team. You no longer have the loopholes and roster flexibility to improve your team in any significant way. If you're going to tie your teams future to two max players, you have to make sure they both are really elite players. Tatum probably fits the bill but Jaylen clearly falls short.

    • @hdeodh
      @hdeodh 11 місяців тому +35

      agreed, they implemented a hard cap without calling it a hard cap. As it stands, some of the best teams in the NBA would need to be broken up.

    • @hay5813
      @hay5813 11 місяців тому +25

      Clearly?

    • @chriswright8074
      @chriswright8074 11 місяців тому +5

      Brown was pressure and was trying to do to much

    • @AlbertoGonzalez-xn1lw
      @AlbertoGonzalez-xn1lw 11 місяців тому +9

      Thats why GS is crumbling

    • @abayomikelvin5153
      @abayomikelvin5153 11 місяців тому +30

      There should be flexibility to reward homegrown talent, at least! 🤦🏾‍♂️

  • @davidtamou4680
    @davidtamou4680 11 місяців тому

    I think this is the best episode ive seen in years! 👏🏽🖤

  • @josejr.garcia2228
    @josejr.garcia2228 11 місяців тому +2

    This was a fun debate. Everyone having fun an no one taking things personal.

  • @mambamentality2417
    @mambamentality2417 11 місяців тому +12

    “Jimmy Butler, what’re you nuts?”😂😂😂😂

  • @ravezjones7218
    @ravezjones7218 11 місяців тому +149

    I like JJ.....but 300 mil for Brown is insane

    • @kleatise52
      @kleatise52 11 місяців тому +25

      In 5 years this will be nothing

    • @marceldwayne8491
      @marceldwayne8491 11 місяців тому +13

      That's too much

    • @eddiebeestraw9993
      @eddiebeestraw9993 11 місяців тому +12

      @@kleatise52 we’re talking about right now though

    • @jakekelly336
      @jakekelly336 11 місяців тому +7

      Maybe if he wasnt turnover prone and not a playmaker I'm not paying him 300mil

    • @qwertypwnown
      @qwertypwnown 11 місяців тому +26

      JJ never talks about bad about any current NBA players because he wants them to come onto his podcast.

  • @Kayobracey
    @Kayobracey 11 місяців тому +6

    Mad dog’s list was pretty solid 😂 I agree with 17-18 of em

  • @QDibieYT
    @QDibieYT 11 місяців тому +5

    Jaylen Brown isn’t worth it bc of something called the SALARY CAP.

  • @EJOffor
    @EJOffor 11 місяців тому +129

    Rare time when Mad Dog is actually correct. 5 conference finals, 3 different head coaches, it’s time to make a major shakeup to that team. JJ is suggesting the ancillary pieces but the did that already adding guys like Brogdon and Derrick White, at the end of the day they fail for the same reasons.

    • @toughmunths
      @toughmunths 11 місяців тому +7

      They didn't fail for the same reason. Jaylen Brown balled out in the finals, it was Tatum who absolutely stunk up the joint. If he had played average, just average Boston wins that title. There are still issues prevalent from last year some of which have gotten worse but they lost their identity this year

    • @EJOffor
      @EJOffor 11 місяців тому +6

      @@toughmunths notice the word you use.. IF… guess what it didn’t go that way, they rarely have been able to coexist at a high level in the playoffs because teams are more aggressive defensively. You don’t know for a fact that they win with Tatum playing better, hypotheticals are pointless.

    • @sencillo96
      @sencillo96 11 місяців тому +3

      I think it was bad rotation by the coach .... he trusted more Harford then R.william , he trusted more Smart then white or Brogdon.... i think that was a big mistake .. Just bad coaching .

    • @toughmunths
      @toughmunths 11 місяців тому +1

      @Elijah Offor They're not pointless. Everything I said has merit but they're not an absolute. I THINK Boston would've won. This is my opinion. And Jason was missing wide open shots all series, it wasn't strictly the defense. What Ifs can be a useful tool don't be so eager to dismiss the idea

    • @tomanderson8094
      @tomanderson8094 11 місяців тому

      the team has already had way too many shakeups, you listed some of them in your comment

  • @Jayfromthe302
    @Jayfromthe302 11 місяців тому +38

    Molly was flirting with JJ right from the beginning 😂😂😂

    • @blkmind4u
      @blkmind4u 11 місяців тому +2

      JJ don't want that problem

  • @hypgmrboy1785
    @hypgmrboy1785 11 місяців тому +2

    When Mad Dog said “ and my favorite Kyrie” his face was hilarious hahhahaha 😂

  • @tony84.
    @tony84. 11 місяців тому +4

    0:12, Stephen A. and Mad Dog Russo are absolute GOLD to watch🤣😂The best and most entertaining sports debate duo of all time💯

  • @austingreen1274
    @austingreen1274 11 місяців тому +9

    SAS thinks Jimmy Butler vs Jaylen Brown is debatable?!?!?!?! What in the literal f bro!!

  • @marioflaco
    @marioflaco 11 місяців тому +32

    Wednesdays are amazing with Mad Dog 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @HighKickCroCop
    @HighKickCroCop 7 місяців тому

    This was great

  • @jamesdials13
    @jamesdials13 11 місяців тому +1

    15:05 “oh my lord” lmaooooo 😂😂😂😂

  • @RickLaFlaR3e
    @RickLaFlaR3e 11 місяців тому +62

    Mad Dog Segments are always Awesome and Entertaining !!😂😂

  • @michaelgray3
    @michaelgray3 11 місяців тому +193

    Mad dog and JJ are a breath of fresh air that this show has missed since Max left

    • @BijinMCMXC
      @BijinMCMXC 11 місяців тому +12

      Yeah watching everyone roll their eyes and dump on Max because they didn’t respect his opinions was sooo missed.

    • @michaelgray3
      @michaelgray3 11 місяців тому +32

      @@BijinMCMXC max was right more often than Stephen A. But he did have the craziest takes at times

    • @BijinMCMXC
      @BijinMCMXC 11 місяців тому +22

      @@michaelgray3 He was not compatible with SAS as a debate partner. It got PAINFUL to watch how much he was disrespected on the show. It got to the point where Molly started following SAS lead and being disrespectful and dismissive of his takes too.

    • @michaelgray3
      @michaelgray3 11 місяців тому +7

      @@BijinMCMXCpersonally I think sas was the problem and still is. There’s a reason FT keep cycling people in/out. I mean JJ is great but sas already clashed heads with him too

    • @BijinMCMXC
      @BijinMCMXC 11 місяців тому +6

      @@michaelgray3 I don’t think SAS is not the problem lol but the fact is it’s HIS show and you cannot have someone partnering with him that he doesn’t have good chemistry with. With JJ it’s different because SAS actually respects his analysis. So I don’t see him getting him fired. The problem with Max being on the show was that it was obvious SAS literally didn’t respect the words that came out of his mouth 😂

  • @rankobarensic
    @rankobarensic 10 місяців тому +2

    Hudson river on the background ❤

  • @joshhuckleby4414
    @joshhuckleby4414 11 місяців тому +1

    I can listen to mad dog and Stephen A argue all day pure freakin entertainment I love every minute keep it coming fellas

  • @Rodricktyrone
    @Rodricktyrone 11 місяців тому +70

    6:44 “The Boston Celtics don’t give out rings for losers” 😂😂😂 mad dog is hilarious 😂

  • @mikeymaniac9229
    @mikeymaniac9229 11 місяців тому +14

    Stephen a tryna compare 5 year contracts to 10 year contracts is insane

  • @djsneed98
    @djsneed98 11 місяців тому

    Great debate all had great points

  • @ReubenJRD
    @ReubenJRD 11 місяців тому +2

    The way JJ and SAS looked at each other after Mad Dog said "what about Thompson" omg LMAOOOOO

  • @trewilliams8411
    @trewilliams8411 11 місяців тому +12

    Mad Dog was speaking facts I don’t see jalen brown as top 25 😂😂

    • @Yomomma_house
      @Yomomma_house 11 місяців тому

      😂

    • @Steeezzzzz
      @Steeezzzzz 11 місяців тому +1

      Wanna know whats funny? Hes gotten better every year & hes only 26 😂

    • @Downbad9771
      @Downbad9771 11 місяців тому

      He’s top 25 and I don’t like the Celtics

  • @himanshubhaskar9797
    @himanshubhaskar9797 11 місяців тому +39

    Mad dog was cooking with the list😂😂😂😂

    • @TheBlackestKnight21
      @TheBlackestKnight21 11 місяців тому +1

      HE WASS THEY SHOULDVE LET HIM KEEP GOING CAUSE JJ WAS ABOUT TO BE WRONG😭😭😭

  • @idriss-289
    @idriss-289 11 місяців тому +1

    Hey this was pretty entertaining 😂

  • @LamyFamily_
    @LamyFamily_ 11 місяців тому

    Amazing debate

  • @galgobond007
    @galgobond007 11 місяців тому +53

    I’m with Mad Dog. The Celtics got to the ECF Browns rookie year if that doesn’t define his worth to that team then I don’t know what does. No chips. No MVPs.

  • @howarddavis3517
    @howarddavis3517 11 місяців тому +41

    Mad Dog completely right💯

    • @sephron17
      @sephron17 11 місяців тому +2

      no way B.I goes above Jalen Brown

  • @Swizzy39
    @Swizzy39 11 місяців тому +2

    Finally understand why people is tell molly shut up🤦🏾

  • @junky32
    @junky32 11 місяців тому

    Great debate

  • @don_leo_000
    @don_leo_000 11 місяців тому +5

    best debate of the week, thanks mad dogg

  • @Dazzer-gx3yl
    @Dazzer-gx3yl 11 місяців тому +42

    The main thing this team needs is a true PG. Desperately need one. Maybe Brogdon can do it full time, but this is what they really need.

    • @ataydecharlie
      @ataydecharlie 11 місяців тому +4

      Brogdon its not a playmaker, Marcus Smart is more of a playmaker than Brogdon is

    • @nataliev.149
      @nataliev.149 11 місяців тому

      They need a PG for real

    • @Dazzer-gx3yl
      @Dazzer-gx3yl 11 місяців тому

      @@ataydecharlie he was given this role at Indiana and showed his capability. He's more of a playmaker than Smart. What's your reasons for thinking he's not?

  • @Isaiahlovelace
    @Isaiahlovelace 11 місяців тому +2

    the silence after mad dog said Thompson had me so weak like cmon man really😭

  • @brandancarroll6936
    @brandancarroll6936 11 місяців тому

    This segment was excellent

  • @ForTheLoveOfRyne
    @ForTheLoveOfRyne 11 місяців тому +34

    DOGGY IS SOOO FUNNY 😂 entertainment value goes crazy when he’s on 😂

  • @j0epark1
    @j0epark1 11 місяців тому +99

    I'm usually on JJ's side, but I'm with MadDog on this one. Playoffs is where you make your money. Jaylen has come up short time and time again for him to deserve a supermax contract. You can almost argue the same for Tatum. Only players who deserve supermax is Curry, Doncic, Jokic, and Giannis. Maybe even Butler if he wins the chip.

    • @Lovlee33161
      @Lovlee33161 11 місяців тому +35

      Bro. Lowkey. Butler deserves a super max just off what he did the past 4 years for Miami. Outta appreciation and respect.

    • @theape6778
      @theape6778 11 місяців тому +8

      Butler is such an interesting situation bc all his work is in the playoffs

    • @boondockbwoy14
      @boondockbwoy14 11 місяців тому +8

      How does Doncic deserve a super max?

    • @EpicCoolGuy21
      @EpicCoolGuy21 11 місяців тому +25

      @@boondockbwoy14 You are smoking crack if you don’t think Luca deserves a super max.

    • @j0epark1
      @j0epark1 11 місяців тому +4

      @@boondockbwoy14 I don’t know if that’s a serious question, but his playoff success speaks for itself. Being able to carry a team with no other all-star caliber player to the WCF. He’s proven he is a top-3 player in the league.

  • @Jackson54321
    @Jackson54321 11 місяців тому +4

    If the Celtics sign him and Tatum, they would have roughly 50-75 mil in cap for the rest of the team in 2025/2026. Letting him go for nothing would be terrible, but the Celtics are VERY close to winning a chip. Trading him for Trae or Dejounte Murray, Kat, Jalen Green, Lavine, etc would be kinda risky but could be what it takes to win it all.

  • @alfredmcglothen6050
    @alfredmcglothen6050 11 місяців тому +4

    I like Stephen A and Mad Dog’s energy. Maybe he should be Stephen A’s new co host on First Take . Imagine seeing these gentlemen go at everyday . It would be much watch TV .

  • @brunodeoliveirareis3880
    @brunodeoliveirareis3880 11 місяців тому +57

    The face of everybody when Stephen said JB might be better than Jimmy butler 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @ejthomas8119
      @ejthomas8119 11 місяців тому +5

      I know who had a better season. That was brown

    • @iquanwilliams4905
      @iquanwilliams4905 11 місяців тому +21

      ​@@ejthomas8119 could brown have drag a team to the finals? He can't get to the rim 😂 cookies every time ....I like jb tho. But he not doing what jimmy has done lol

    • @Cloudcity20
      @Cloudcity20 11 місяців тому +17

      ​@@ejthomas8119 Jimmy is def better lol

    • @adonissvargas4115
      @adonissvargas4115 11 місяців тому +3

      @EJ Thomas I know who choked when his team was depending on him the most….that wasn’t butler 🫢

    • @ejthomas8119
      @ejthomas8119 11 місяців тому

      @@adonissvargas4115 butler 33 on his 4th team i would hope he found a way to get it together lol Brown 6 years younger averaging 26

  • @mallurypollard7815
    @mallurypollard7815 11 місяців тому +16

    16:47 so much respect to the producer that cut to JJ during SAS explaining Butler 😂😂😂That was straight up a sitcom cut 🤣🤣

  • @eduardoreyes2128
    @eduardoreyes2128 11 місяців тому +11

    JJ cares too much about the players to a fault sometimes. It's not whether or not Jaylen deserves the bag (regardless of how much money it is). It's whether or not Celtics take the risk on him AGAIN, or use him to shake things up.

  • @DD-xz1ec
    @DD-xz1ec 11 місяців тому

    This is fun!

  • @gerimayawhyte154
    @gerimayawhyte154 11 місяців тому +75

    I'm a Celtics fan. They definitely were going to lose that game regardless of Tatum getting hurt. Tatum getting hurt should not stop the team from executing on offense and defense. They looked like they had no idea what to do: poor defensive rotations leading to wide open looks by Miami, no ball movement, no one cutting, guys just standing around behind the arc. It was horrible to watch.

    • @jwarrior9986
      @jwarrior9986 11 місяців тому +9

      Honestly they need to run these guys back with a new coach. The fact that defense was horrible all year is a reflection on Coach Mazzulla. They need someone who can hold them accountable on defense and keep them disciplined on offense. The over reliance on the 3 ball is a huge Achilles heel for this team. The fact that they were the second best team was only due to the fact that they were the most talented roster this season. If they additionally had the discipline and leadership they need, they would be in the finals right now. How many times did they look like they were playing a rec league game in he playoffs? So many times, they didn't take it seriously. Mazzulla isn't good enough to take them there.

    • @Goodshit2000
      @Goodshit2000 11 місяців тому +2

      They would’ve won that game with a healthy Tatum. Him going out mean Brown had to carry he’s a net negative with him and bench lineup whenever they they tell him to run the game. He doesn’t have handle, have tunnel vision and doesn’t make plays for others. And when his offense is gone, so is his defense. He benefits from Tatum getting the double and triple and box and 1 and traps defense. Brown gets the one on one and still drive to that paint with 3 guys with no plan. The min I saw Tatum got injured, I knew it was over because defense was gonna keyed on brown and we saw what happened with the turnovers. Brown is overrated and he’s a product of the Celtics system. Put brown on Houston to run that team and he’ll average double digit turnovers.

    • @IanG10
      @IanG10 11 місяців тому +4

      You aren’t a Celtics fan. Tatum Carrie’s the load when running the offense. You take off a huge load from Jaylen l’s shoulders and all he has to worry about is scoring

    • @gerimayawhyte154
      @gerimayawhyte154 11 місяців тому +1

      @@jwarrior9986 Agreed. Yeah and he changed his tune from game 3 to game 7. Game 3 "It's all on me I didn't have them prepared". Game 7 "We shot 21% from three and didn't defend well but I'm proud of these guys. They're resilient". Huh? Guys a dud. He may know his X's and O's somewhat because apparently he's responsible for giving Udoka some offensive ideas that he used but the guy is not a motivator like Udoka is.

    • @TonAsh242
      @TonAsh242 11 місяців тому +1

      I’m also a Celtic fan and I actually don’t know what would’ve happened if Tatum didn’t get hurt.

  • @emoneyizhereson
    @emoneyizhereson 11 місяців тому +47

    Miami Heat would be glad to take on brown. They’ll know how to use him.

    • @Maxjuliann
      @Maxjuliann 11 місяців тому +3

      We need Dame more than brown he can’t play with another superstar

    • @hurricanes___6982
      @hurricanes___6982 11 місяців тому +3

      @@MaxjuliannI gotta disagree. We need to get younger to sustain success. & were probably the best at player development. He can learn

    • @haywood0457
      @haywood0457 11 місяців тому +4

      @@hurricanes___6982 Not a MIA fan...LAL, but I would rather take Brown too at this point in their careers. Dame has an overall mental edge but Brown also gives a versatility defensively and I think he'll bounce back. He was actually balling last year in the Finals when JT was a no-show. He just had a really bad game 7.

    • @chops34
      @chops34 11 місяців тому

      Bucks

    • @lestershipman3039
      @lestershipman3039 11 місяців тому

      He ain’t going to nun of those teams doe

  • @dannygithinji7370
    @dannygithinji7370 11 місяців тому +17

    Absolutely love Stephen A going at it with Mad Dog…. And JJ adds the icing … this is icing… #1 show for a reason

  • @Griswolddj
    @Griswolddj 11 місяців тому

    Best segment in a long time lol

  • @chillwill9909
    @chillwill9909 11 місяців тому +49

    Every great player has these type of moments in their career, it’s all about how you bounce back

    • @cryptidian3530
      @cryptidian3530 11 місяців тому +4

      It's called being a choker. It's game 7 to reach the Finals, my friend, not a regular season game.

    • @GameUnkasa
      @GameUnkasa 11 місяців тому

      True but he had his moment when they choked against LeBron, they had their "Young and bounce back" already.. Unless he having another one.

    • @JKeemTV
      @JKeemTV 11 місяців тому +5

      @@GameUnkasa choked against Bron? He was in year 2???? The Warriors were a dynasty and still Klay and Curry didn't get going till years 4 and 6 I believe, and were older.

    • @GameUnkasa
      @GameUnkasa 11 місяців тому +1

      @@JKeemTV I said they, I wasn't putting it on him alone.. And yeah sometimes it happens early (like with Shaq) and sometimes it happens later (like with Bron).

    • @hokage8426
      @hokage8426 11 місяців тому +2

      bro said jokic in Dallas 😂

  • @TheKingMarkell
    @TheKingMarkell 11 місяців тому +6

    The “what’s up?!” By SAS @5:19 kills me 🤣

  • @Uncle_O_973
    @Uncle_O_973 11 місяців тому

    GREAT GREAT GREAT debate

  • @yengvang8737
    @yengvang8737 11 місяців тому

    They've been trading and signing guards, I mean they're good but I think they need a couple of decent forwards in their lineup to win.

  • @caliposted5873
    @caliposted5873 11 місяців тому +18

    This is one of the funniest First Take videos I’ve seen in a while.

  • @Batz130
    @Batz130 11 місяців тому +7

    I actually like these top 25 debates. Great job. Makes me think and do research 😅

  • @camrunco
    @camrunco 11 місяців тому

    Good segment

  • @green13lantern
    @green13lantern 11 місяців тому

    Love when JJ and Mad dog debate

  • @miguellafortune
    @miguellafortune 11 місяців тому +45

    Only reason JB has a better resume than Ingram is cause he’s had a competent FO to give him a good roster and Tatum is not always injured when you need him most.Forget resume…Head to head Ingram is a better player than Brown..that is a fact

    • @b1gflp
      @b1gflp 11 місяців тому +3

      Ingram be hurt way too much lol. Pelicans will never get anywhere with him and zion

    • @mikem4481
      @mikem4481 11 місяців тому +4

      So is Paul George

    • @jasonwilliams9307
      @jasonwilliams9307 11 місяців тому +4

      B.i is super nice if boston has Tatum and B.i they go to the finals simple math

    • @Adaan415
      @Adaan415 11 місяців тому +5

      Im for sure taking Ingram over Brown If I had to pick a player to join my team.

    • @ChillestSkeleton
      @ChillestSkeleton 11 місяців тому +6

      Jalen brown is not better than Jimmy Butler don’t even know what SAS is talking about

  • @paulolima6407
    @paulolima6407 11 місяців тому +8

    "Jokic in Dallas." 😂😂😂 Can you imagine that?

    • @Dondada561
      @Dondada561 11 місяців тому

      They will win the championship every year

    • @melanatedgod5337
      @melanatedgod5337 11 місяців тому

      @@KB-TAYLOR Doncic is in Dallas to stay.

  • @virgilrobertsjr7870
    @virgilrobertsjr7870 11 місяців тому +4

    The Boston team management would be brain dead to give Brown a 300 Million Dollar contract!
    BROWN CRUMBLED UNDER THE PRESSURE IN GAME 7 WHEN IT WAS HIS TIME TO STEP UP ESPECIALLY AFTER TATUM WENT DOWN!
    😭

  • @KingjafiJr_
    @KingjafiJr_ 11 місяців тому

    Lmao I love when Mad Dog and Stephen A argue 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @Independent365
    @Independent365 11 місяців тому +6

    THIS is why First Take is still #1 LOL!

  • @WrestlingIsReal649
    @WrestlingIsReal649 11 місяців тому +20

    Brown don’t deserve it idc what anyone says he not that guy 😂😂😂

    • @em6824
      @em6824 11 місяців тому +1

      Based on what game 7? So if the 6ers ended the Celtics in game 6, would you still be saying this? Bet you wouldn't. The dude has a bad game and a not so good series. And everyone comes out of the woodwork spewing out nonsense

    • @Gurenn83
      @Gurenn83 11 місяців тому +1

      Tatum and Brown's playstyles are very similar. One has to go and one thing is for sure, Celtics organization will never let go of Tatum.

  • @trevorcunningham8687
    @trevorcunningham8687 11 місяців тому +1

    His list was pretty dam good. And he could have added more.

  • @NankoRi
    @NankoRi 11 місяців тому +1

    Man when Mad Dog is on the show its a straight comedy. I love it.

  • @joshuaredden9971
    @joshuaredden9971 11 місяців тому +22

    I personally agree with Mad Dogg's list because he was strictly talking about skill and talent not availability. Just because you don't like a person's off the court actions doesn't dismiss that they're still a better player overall. JB is top 25/30 to me doe.

    • @Laid2Sleep
      @Laid2Sleep 11 місяців тому +3

      This! My brotha!

    • @abtocool6350
      @abtocool6350 11 місяців тому +3

      I’m confused because Stephen a said said Ingram isn’t better because of hardware and resume but then says kyrie isn’t better when he has a better resume and even had better numbers this season.🤷‍♂️

    • @Laid2Sleep
      @Laid2Sleep 11 місяців тому

      @@abtocool6350 Yeah, I've been trying to see things from his point of view, but no. I think he said that to shock viewers or as a half hearted attempt to seem more correct than Mad Dog. Ingram not better? I can pass on, but when he said kyrie isn't better...i knew he was just being factitious.

  • @carltonkelsey2650
    @carltonkelsey2650 11 місяців тому +7

    Sthephen A is so blunt !!😂😂😂 “ fix ya tie fix ya tie”

  • @demigodt34
    @demigodt34 11 місяців тому

    The list is really good

  • @dpistons149
    @dpistons149 11 місяців тому

    JJ Reddicks face at 16:56 was like bro you’re crazy af Stephen A😂