Teaching Scar The New Melee Meta
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
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Outro: • SUPER SMASH BROS Melee...
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you know knowledge is about to be dropped when mango pulls out MS paint
Professor mang0 is the best mang0. I swear when he analyzes any aspect of the game, he makes it simple and constructive. And this way of teaching could work for any level or player.
Sometimes I wish he was sick at things besides just Melee because he could probably figure out a way to dumb down a lot of complex concepts and problems. Like I know he plays and understands poker to a decent extent, how about a poker teachings video mang0?
facts
Mango is actually super fucking smart. His personality comes off as some drunk dumb ass but he’s actually really well versed in people skills.
Mang0 in another universe would be a crazy salesman and investment banker. Geez
Mango thinks he's coaching Scar, little does he know he's coaching me with every one of these streams.
That's how I feel too lol
@@d4rkz3r011 same bro
Love when mango actually talks a little more in depth about melee
It really shows that he's not just an idiot that people try to make him out to be. He's actually really fuckin smart even if he doesn't talk about the game in the same way as other people. Love his passion for the game
@@homelessharry336 true and like just his gameplay in general should say alot...cause some people trash him so much but dont provide results like he does. and playing people can tell alot about them.
@@homelessharry336 This. It’s so annoying how he gets portrayed as some dumb party animal who’s all instinct. He has great instincts but he’s such an underrated analytical mind.
his mental game is so far beyond that of most other top players, because he never feels the need to bitch about matchups or mechanics. he just analyzes and adapts, as a player should.
You can tell that he sees things in melee and that there a lot going on in his head that he just understands even if he doesn’t know exact frames and what not
I think one struggle of being an old player is having old knowledge. Rolling used to be "bad" so most people didn't do it. Its kinda funny that in this session Mang0 basically taught Scar how to roll.
Yeah, I think it's quite natural since rolling is one of the first bad habits you learn to break when playing the game at any level above casual. As a result, the negative connotations with rolling get reinforced, especially when a character has good options out of shield. Mango has consistently praised S2J's rolls over the years so it makes a lot of sense that it gets brought up in the context of coaching a Falcon.
Yeah, when I first got into smash all I heard was bad players roll in, then watched top players and mango loves his roll ins, and in smash 4 one of all Leo’s fav techniques was the double roll in which sounds dumb but worked really well lol
Yeah, a lot of people don't realize rolling is only bad when you do it too often. Which is something new players do all the time. You need to treat rolling like any other defensive mix-up. If you spam it, any decent player will catch on and punish you for it.
@@deputydanger2711 yeah... lord knows everyone is rolling in when in the corner or on a platform.
@@IamFearLezz thank you Prof. Craig Tucker.
"Just drill it into me dude" - Scar 2021
Nooooo 😭😭
Mang0 does happen to be the best teacher. He's somehow more coherent, more objective and more understanding than anyone else.
because he keeps it simple
Dude Mango should teach more. You can just tell he loves doing it, there's passion there, even though we don't see this side of him often. It's work, but he has the personality, experience, and skill to be a very effective teacher.
It's easy to forget that this dude is actually really smart.
I know you're talking about mang0 but my mind immediately went to Scar cause he went to UPenn. Probably the most booksmart smasher
@@vinnyssf2454 mang0 is a melee savant b/c he's spent 2/3rds of his life playing this game, at least half of it at a high level
but PPMD is probably as BookSmart+MeleeSmart as anybody; maybe M2K is more so, but PPMD also seems to grasp the emotional aspect a little better, and ways to consciously handle how you're unconsciously responding to stuff.
@@ADavidJohnson Nonsense dude, Mangos got a big head, big brains, his surround culture just pushed him away from school. Picking up games and solving the challenge over your opponent is just an unorthodox IQ test. And the guys been winning since he was a kid him being a savant due to time just isnt true.
Lotta rejects are forced to become gamers and book smart because society rejected them.
@@pongkong I don’t think we’re disagreeing except that I don’t think IQ is really a useful concept in the first place. Mang0 is one of the five best people ever to play Melee; he’s really damn good at some other video games. He’s really bad at a lot of stuff
A lot of people could say that about something, minus being one the handful of best at a particular competition
I’m saying that mang0 being so good at Melee doesn’t necessarily translate into other things, including, to some degree, explaining in words every aspect of to people not like him. But Michael Jordan hasn’t been a great NBA owner and likely wouldn’t ever have made a good coach. Some of these skills are related but require different things than just being really good at and knowing a ton about the game.
@@ADavidJohnson Well fair enough. I dont know a lot about basketball, I think the game sucks, but I watched that Kobe eulogy with Michael Jordan. Kobe seemed to find a lot of value in probing Jordan about mentality and playing the game. Mango explaining to scar the problem with his mentality during that podcast a few years back seemed spot on and you could see it on scars face.
And the iq thing... look i get that its a loaded political thing for some people, i understand the traditional test is lacking. Im just saying winning games on screen or the game of life, is an intelligence test. When I lose starcraft, go or melee, i feel clowned like an idiot by my opponnent, every single time. "He’s really bad at a lot of stuff... just like alot of people (everybody)" Again fair enough.
I love the bit where mang0 saw Scar instant roll. It was like a grandpa taking their grandkids out to the lake on a boat and they finally catch that one fish.
Scar needs to snap to ledge when he gets shined on the ground, he keeps just falling off and getting shine gimped.
How's that done? DI in as soon as you've slid off the edge?
@@Pizzastealingninja You hold or press down to fastball to ledge but you have to let go off down before you grab ledge or you will fall through the ledge
@@Pizzastealingninja Just hold down and then in on your left stick
For those who are new to the stream/channel, that intro is supposed to be "wassup dawg." It's just gradually fallen deeper and deeper into verbal degeneracy.
Mango talking about gameplay theory is what got me into practicing more to be competitive in smash, and I still love it so much
LMAO 34:15 has me laughing so hard.
Mang0:”I can already tell you’re not a bonehead anymore”
Scar:”Immediately SDs off the side”
LMAO indeed
I could teach Scar better.
Yo, Mang0, I think you've keyed into one of the most important aspects of coaching with one of your last points, that a big part is identifying and reinforcing what the player already knows.
the progress is real... ngl I'm invested now!
Hello 117
I actually love this, I want to see scar compete again and be able to hang with the best of em
So glad you’re helping a falcon. Appreciate these vids supes hard
The peoples champ is in his training arc, leggoooo
wow these are actually really insightful. crazy to see how much of a difference a little direction can make. super impressive for scar to take that advice so quickly
Mango needs to have s2j come into these streams and analyze mangos and scars games and then all go over it together
Yes!
It's awesome watching people learn/teach melee like this.
They both understand the game on an instinctual level, and Scar has a growth mindset, so there's visible progress in a single lesson.
Mang0's analysis feels so much more holistic than the stuff the other top players do
happened to just re-look up a bunch of classic melee compliations from years ago thats also been years since i constantly watched them... and one of them was a scar comp, and the amount of dairs reminded me so much of n0ne but it was before it became known online as one of n0ne's qualities instead... then i happened to search for mango scar sets, then for the coaching/reviews, landed here (though ive seen glimpses of the initial recordings/streams (like one of the MIOM chats with mang0, scar, and toph, which remebering that started the search again) when they were first done)... and it just so happens mang0 and scar discuss scar being the old n0ne lol...
glad theres a whole playlist here and its been going on since last year at least
"im just gonna run up grab and smoke this cigarette"
incredible quote
i think scar's intro issue is universal against any solid technical fox. some foxes will just shine me out of every grab attempt and go ham and edge guard me perfectly at 20%. i see a good amount of foxes at this level on slippi
Yeah makes it really difficult to get into the game as a new player like me
@@magedits5433 dont worry man the beauty of melee is its always interactive, even when ur gettin screwed by frame windows and tech skill u can always fight back w di, smash di, CCs, slideoffs, timing mixups, etc
and u can always quit out on foxes on slippi LOL
that was some ridiculously good coaching lmao i dont even play falcon but this whole video just helps so much with how i see the game and all this analysis and stuff
As a little Melee crackhead I listen to what Alpharad and JoSniffy say and hold forward
grabbed my chair in suspense when mang0 opened up MS paint
man i love this arc
these are my favorite vids you've ever uploaded. I think anyone trying to be competitive in any game could learn from how mang0 talks about melee and chess
the fox is something to behold
Mango analyzing S2J's playstyle was beautiful
bro I love these types of vids fr, good shit mang0
7:10 I heard that as "you're not none yet" which was very applicable lol
I hope Mango and Scar continue working with each other. They are two of my favorite people in the melee community.
I love that rolling, of alllll the tech in melee, is the advice rn.
opening up yt to see a mango upload is unbeatable
Zains meta : Edge cancelling no impact landing wall teching. Mangos : Roll Cc
Thanks for mentioning the thing about n0ne and crouch cancelling. I'm learning the game and watching his highlights made me think cc'ing was lame and shouldn't be used
This is probably the best mang0 content ever
Love these vids. Scar is gonna be dropping some of those hurtin bombs real soon💪
mango is actually such a smart dude and he doesn't get enough credit
I love mang0 in coach mode, I learn so much just listening
falcon's approaching bair wont beat out much, and will usually trade. Retreating bairs are good tho. Thats why using bair in neutral is bad. Neutral is seeing what your opponent is doing and countering it. If they are dash dancing, you dash attack. If they are crouching then you stomp. If they shield, cross up shield or drift back. You aren't throwing out moves just throw out moves they need to have a purpose.
🥭先生
To mang0 and Scar: these videos are invaluable, please keep going!
Also n0ne gets to make fun of people for holding down, because you can't cc against the cc king :^)
such a good example of how much mang0 uses his natural intuition to play meele. Old heads this is all they had. he’s been playing since before frame data, you NEEDED intuition to get to a high level. no robots
34:13 - bobby fucking scar
i’m just gonna run up grab and smoke this cigarette is my life motto
Make scar a top ten player, Mango! That would be the best story line.
Let's go scar!! I wanna see u in top 100
34:12 LMFAOOOOOO
damn I roll all the time I must be really good at Melee
Mang0 unexpectedly dropping nuggets of Melee knowledge like Belichick
39:33 then toph could get coached by leffen
scar = peco; mango = grandma tamura
toph = smile; leffen = butterfly joe
Honestly... if you guys play in slo mo you can have a moment to see, think, and build muscle memory. It would be an honest way to see how you are fucking up while you are doing it.
Can we talk about how Johnny wavelanded out of hitstun from fox's nair?
Amazing Content! Lets keep these coming!
i learned so much from this
I wish Johnny would sit in on these sessions because the two of them would be perfect teachers for Scar. Mango has the ideas on how to beat the crackheads and he can verbalize them super well, but he doesn't know what Falcon's best options are. Johnny could let Scar know what to do when, like when his shield is getting pressured for example.
Scar is a m.o.n.e.y student. Very quick to learn.
agree with fox being a worse match up for falcon than falco, been thinking that lately tooo
I love this content it’s so wholesome
Waiting room for when Scar becomes top 20 in the world
wow Mango is a godlike teacher as well as player.
16:51 Scar and Mango, right here Falcon does up tilt. Or the downward angled forward smash would be another good choice. Does it angle in Melee? If not never mind totally buggers the positioning and option coverage cause the straight elbow won't scoop species doing their recovery.
yeah you can angle falcon's fsmash in melee
Long Mang0 content! Hell yeah
Sweet Spot the ledge Bobby Scar!!!
Love them both so much.
This was such an educational 45 minutes wtf
This is actually good coaching for anybody
s2j used to be the hardest falcon for me to understand as well, until i watched his flow charts did i understand the art in his form.
I’ll pay three fiddy for some mang0 coaching
I think scar thinks he can CC shine... I think I heard him say "I cc'd that" on a shine.
Also when hes recovering his spacing is also going in. He doesnt do drift aways when people approach him
So off stage he needs to mix up aerial drift
Scar is pretty good, feel like he's just unused to some situations. Once he's sees it a couple hundred more times he'll probably instinctively know what to do.
Fantastic content guys. Long live Melee.
Love these streams
I feel scar is still not using up air as much as he should.
This is my favorite content on the internet right now. And I only watch content on the internet.
Low key epic comment
Can you (or someone from the community) do a series on melee openings? 10-min melee openings for x character at 0-15% ect.
This content is AMAZING
Can't wait for scar to get top 50
I don't think it's possible for a coach to be better than mango
Mang0 literally phd in melee
Scar is the homie
Any falcon will tell you that they much rather play fox than falco. Fox falcon is a fun matchup falco falcon is like 65-35, shit sucks
Does anybody know the song from 5:35-7:55??
darude - sandstorm
@@franklinestrella5724 thanks.
doesn't marth just have slightly better advantage over many characters bc he can basically play both close up and far away from his opponent?
how tf did mang0 get the mang#0 code??
Caramel covered popcorn
can someone clarify what the term flowchart means for me please? For the longest time i thought flowchart was playing more off of gut feeling and trying to mix up your opponent. But the way mango uses it here makes it sound like flowchart means more standard, bread and butter stuff. I’d really like to know what it means because I hear the term get thrown around a lot.
when they refer to flowchat they're talking about the "bread and butter" like you said. pretty much like whatever combos, techs, movement, etc. you know is guaranteed to work (considering both your and your opponent's characters)
i hope that makes sense lol at least thats how i always understood it
a flowchart generally, is what you do for any given situation, people usually talk about it in a gutfeeling sort of way since its so INGRAINED in you its BECOME a gut feeling, or its so simple that you can basically think on the fly. its so standard that you just do it in general. thats what a flow chart is, basically what you do every match verses a certain situation. if i played mroe melee id give you a better example than this, but say you are going to get up, you have multiple options to get up, but on the flowchart, theres a BEST option and a WORST option. you can shield, or you can shine into a combo, you can actively choose those options. people hate fox most of the time because his flowchart allows for counterplay at almost any givent situation.
Its essentially a sequence of options you use to respond to your opponents choices. If you're edgegaurding fox for instance, if hes above ledge and hes trying to recover to a platform, you have a response to hit him to get him below ledge. Then when hes below edge, you have another option ready to prevent him from returning to stage. Its a set of sequences that flow one into another that have particular options to respond to them. Thats what I understand of it anyway.
flowcharting is actually the opposite of playing off of gut feeling, it describes having pre-determined options for most if not all outcomes of a situation so that punishes are reliable and hit hard. A good example would be watching zain/m2k edgeguards. They get their grab at ledge, forward throw into dtilt. If the spacie up Bs from below ledge, they already know to counter and go out to fair or up B them afterwards. If the spacie double jump side Bs, they already know to jab twice to cover shortened and unshortened, etc. There can be mixups in flowcharting, but its a mixups that's been theorized and labbed beforehand, and not made up on the fly.
@@popasquat5022 but couldnt you argue that a flowchart being extremely simple (Flowchart Ken) or even memorized(your example) would make it a muscle memory flowchart, basically doing things from reaction based on positional placement? using gut feeling probably was an incorrect choice of words.
I love nerd melee
wussgood wit mango gradually becoming ludwig lmao
You're about to get banned.
Let's go Bobby!!
Lmao Mang0 was being nice and playing brain dead so Scar could get some practice, and when Scar asked for one more Mang0 turned on the Jets and did a speed run.
Ilove mango
Those four dislikes better be misclicks
Lean scar returns