Hi Kat and Voltera. Looks like a great product. Here is a little idea for you, for double-sided boards. Drill the vias halfway first, fill them with the conductive ink and cure them. Then on the other side of the board, drill 3/4 deep the same vias (in order to guarantee conductivity), fill them with conductive ink and cure them. What do you think of that?
IDK, 4k for small boards would buy a ton custom pcbs from online retailers. I guess I could see this for a small company lab, or school but not much real-world at home use.
Rivets instead of vias seems pretty cumbersome, I imagine it takes some space and only comes in certain sizes. Not to mention patience and skill from the user. Wouldn't it be possible to fill the holes with the conductive paste to link both pcb sides? Just curious. Beautiful engineering nonetheless, cheers!
Great question. We did try this initially, and it does work - in fact it is still possible and some users do this using manual settings - but we decided it was actually more cumbersome in the end to make ink vias bridge the board. Ink vias require that you use tape to seal the bottom (so the ink doesn't leak everywhere), and you have to wipe the vias so they're compressed/level, which means you need to cure twice so you don't risk smearing your wet circuit design. Also, the rivets serve as a copper plating for through-holes, so you get a strong mechanical connection for through-hole components (while a pure ink conduit might get damaged with extended use). You're right about the limitations of the rivets however. If you have a V-One and want to try making pure ink vias, just talk to our support guy Mike in the in-app chat and he can absolutely help you figure this out. Some people really do prefer this method, it's faster but a bit messy/finicky. Thank you for the kind words!
Hi Kat and Voltera. Here is a little idea for you, for double-sided boards. Why don't you drill the via halfway first, fill them with the conductive ink, cure them. Then on the other side of the board, drill 3/4 deep the same vias (in order to guarantee conductivity), fill them with conductive ink and cure them. What do you think of that?
The rivet-punch connection is electrically sufficient, and we do not solder after punching with the rivet tool. You can solder then if you want, but deforming them onto the pad surrounding the hole should be fine.
get CNC routher from eBay or aliexpress. And use GCode to print your PCB. If you combine this paste pen instead of drill bit, probably you'll be able to do same thing as here in a video.
One of the video at Voltera printed a very wide trace and used the trace as a heating element with 9v battery. That indicates significant resistance is introduced in the circuit traces. Scary.
Hi Tina, thanks for commenting! Respectfully, I want to let you know you have this exactly backwards. In some of our videos, we've plugged a 9V battery directly on the printed traces, with no other elements in the very simple circuit. So the entire load of the 9V battery is being dissipated onto the traces. Heat is the result of power being dissipated. The power dissipated in the traces is going to be V^2 / R or (9x9) / R , where R is the resistance of the trace. If R is low, the power is going to be high and heat up. If R is high, power is going be low and won't heat up. The videos where we've printed heaters that quickly heat from contact to a power source actually demonstrate that the resistance of the conductive trace is *low*. Heat as a function of voltage is, overall, a poor way of assessing resistance. You could short a 9V battery with a paperclip, and that paperclip is going to heat up. This doesn't mean the resistance on the paperclip is high. If you want a deeper dive into resistance, resistivity and sheet resistance for electronics, we've got a post on our blog all about it! www.voltera.io/blog/resistance-resistivity-and-sheet-resistance
@@voltera_io what minimum trace width? What minimun via diameter and minimum pad for via? What resistance of 1 square of trace? What is the trace material and how much it costs? Thanks!
@@MaxmaxOFF81 out of the box we recommend sticking with 8 mil for printing traces, once you get used to the machine though we have smaller nozzles to push that down to 4 mil with our flex ink. Our rivets come in 0.4mm, your via outer diameter should be equal or greater than the rivet head diameter. 0.9 mm for the small rivet (more info here www.voltera.io/docs/working-with-rivets/). The bulk resistivity of our ink is 9.5E-7 Ohms.m and the sheet resistance under typical conditions is 12 mOhms/sq, is approximately one order of magnitude less conductive than copper. Our ink is a silver based ink, as most conductive inks are. All of our pricing is available on our store -> www.voltera.io/store/ and our specs are published here -> www.voltera.io/specs/ more FAQs are here -> www.voltera.io/faq/ but I'm always happy to answer more questions!
What a professional delivery with expert skill. So easy to watch, and so clear. Way above the cut!
Hi Kat and Voltera. Looks like a great product. Here is a little idea for you, for double-sided boards. Drill the vias halfway first, fill them with the conductive ink and cure them. Then on the other side of the board, drill 3/4 deep the same vias (in order to guarantee conductivity), fill them with conductive ink and cure them. What do you think of that?
Thank you. Such an AMAZING machine!
Excellent work Kat!
where you drawing on the pcb board with your hand holding the maching or does the machine sees your design and draws it all itself
You upload your Gerber files and the machine prints out the design.
@@voltera_io 😍
Super cool machine. Very interesting technology.
Wait a minute, did she say 200C max temp for hand soldering? Uh...
amazing
IDK, 4k for small boards would buy a ton custom pcbs from online retailers. I guess I could see this for a small company lab, or school but not much real-world at home use.
Rivets instead of vias seems pretty cumbersome, I imagine it takes some space and only comes in certain sizes. Not to mention patience and skill from the user.
Wouldn't it be possible to fill the holes with the conductive paste to link both pcb sides? Just curious.
Beautiful engineering nonetheless, cheers!
Great question. We did try this initially, and it does work - in fact it is still possible and some users do this using manual settings - but we decided it was actually more cumbersome in the end to make ink vias bridge the board. Ink vias require that you use tape to seal the bottom (so the ink doesn't leak everywhere), and you have to wipe the vias so they're compressed/level, which means you need to cure twice so you don't risk smearing your wet circuit design. Also, the rivets serve as a copper plating for through-holes, so you get a strong mechanical connection for through-hole components (while a pure ink conduit might get damaged with extended use). You're right about the limitations of the rivets however.
If you have a V-One and want to try making pure ink vias, just talk to our support guy Mike in the in-app chat and he can absolutely help you figure this out. Some people really do prefer this method, it's faster but a bit messy/finicky. Thank you for the kind words!
@@voltera_io I just designed a board with almost 200 vias. that would be a bit too much for rivets...
Hi Kat and Voltera. Here is a little idea for you, for double-sided boards. Why don't you drill the via halfway first, fill them with the conductive ink, cure them. Then on the other side of the board, drill 3/4 deep the same vias (in order to guarantee conductivity), fill them with conductive ink and cure them. What do you think of that?
Definitely pretty cool!
I am so in love with the future
Do i need one? no, but do i need one? YES.
Informative. Useful. Calming. Inspiring. Life-changing. Enjoyable. Heart-warming. Other.
The conductive paint must have limitations. Can the machine make a soldered trace?
The V-One can print conductive pastes in the screen printable (higher viscosity) range. It can also print solder paste.
Hi Voltera People... What about the price fir this machine... Can we talk about it? Regards
Who many coper clad board size suport i intrested selling this machine plz send price indian rupee
omg she's beautiful!!
the lady looks nice too
After you punch the rivets, do you need to solder them on both sides of the board? Or is the rivet-punch connection electrically sufficient?
The rivet-punch connection is electrically sufficient, and we do not solder after punching with the rivet tool. You can solder then if you want, but deforming them onto the pad surrounding the hole should be fine.
damn, I'm in love 😍... with the Voltera V-One of course! 👀
Haha Lol . LEGENDARY !
Impressive I am very interested to involve you about my research about the efficiency of your V-one
We'd be happy to learn more about what you're working on. Please reach out to us at hello@voltera.io.
How do you align the tool-paths to the object when you are printing on the back?
You align using the drilled holes.
is there, like, a cheap version of this out there at all
That's supposed to be the cheap version. I think is worth it :D
Raul Gerardo Huertas Paiva it’s 4 grand and I’m a teenage hobbyist. No chance it’s worth it at that price lol
get CNC routher from eBay or aliexpress. And use GCode to print your PCB. If you combine this paste pen instead of drill bit, probably you'll be able to do same thing as here in a video.
Very impressive.
thank you!
Very nice!
Is the drill compulsory accessory?
It is not, single sided circuits don't require a drill to create them.
Asking for price
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nice
expensive for prototyping work if it only could do more
nice but too expensive for home use.
how much?
Hey John, pricing is available on our store www.voltera.io/store/
There is something wrong with the video. It keep repeating between 1 and 7 seconds. :) But what's the price of that machine?
Oh my god.
wayyyy cooll.
One of the video at Voltera printed a very wide trace and used the trace as a heating element with 9v battery. That indicates significant resistance is introduced in the circuit traces. Scary.
Hi Tina, thanks for commenting! Respectfully, I want to let you know you have this exactly backwards.
In some of our videos, we've plugged a 9V battery directly on the printed traces, with no other elements in the very simple circuit. So the entire load of the 9V battery is being dissipated onto the traces. Heat is the result of power being dissipated.
The power dissipated in the traces is going to be V^2 / R or (9x9) / R , where R is the resistance of the trace. If R is low, the power is going to be high and heat up. If R is high, power is going be low and won't heat up. The videos where we've printed heaters that quickly heat from contact to a power source actually demonstrate that the resistance of the conductive trace is *low*.
Heat as a function of voltage is, overall, a poor way of assessing resistance. You could short a 9V battery with a paperclip, and that paperclip is going to heat up. This doesn't mean the resistance on the paperclip is high.
If you want a deeper dive into resistance, resistivity and sheet resistance for electronics, we've got a post on our blog all about it! www.voltera.io/blog/resistance-resistivity-and-sheet-resistance
HACHA MAMA!!!!
:)
if only it could make some milling...
Aha... to laugh until sick as it trimmers
soldered :D
I have one, works good. She's hot, wonder what kind of snack she got
"zed"?
zed is Canadian for zee. Now you know. lol
First!
The girl is nice. The technology is very questionable.
We love questions! What are you wondering about?
@@voltera_io what minimum trace width? What minimun via diameter and minimum pad for via? What resistance of 1 square of trace? What is the trace material and how much it costs? Thanks!
@@MaxmaxOFF81 out of the box we recommend sticking with 8 mil for printing traces, once you get used to the machine though we have smaller nozzles to push that down to 4 mil with our flex ink. Our rivets come in 0.4mm, your via outer diameter should be equal or greater than the rivet head diameter. 0.9 mm for the small rivet (more info here www.voltera.io/docs/working-with-rivets/). The bulk resistivity of our ink is 9.5E-7 Ohms.m and the sheet resistance under typical conditions is 12 mOhms/sq, is approximately one order of magnitude less conductive than copper. Our ink is a silver based ink, as most conductive inks are. All of our pricing is available on our store -> www.voltera.io/store/ and our specs are published here -> www.voltera.io/specs/ more FAQs are here -> www.voltera.io/faq/ but I'm always happy to answer more questions!