Great information, you explain it well. Although small correction; the Ford team are not American, they are British! Obviously the parent company is American, but Ford has divisions all over the world, it's like how GM goes by Chevrolet, Opel, Vauxhall, or Holden depending on the country, the only difference with Ford is they don't bother changing their name 😅
For a new channel really excellent work. All very well, understandable and accurately explained. I guess you even did a lot of research in the Toyota case. You deserve a lot of subscribers! With Audi at the Bandama Rallye, it is worth to underline that in African events it was quite normal that chase cars were donor cars. That is why mechanic Franz Braun drove the car and that is why - as you say too - it was not at all suspiscious that the Braun car retired at that moment. Btw the codriver is called Arwed, not Arewd (pronounce Arved). But I think with the withdrawal of Mouton Audi avoided a major scandal. The photos of the journalists showed that things like brackets of jacks and brackets securing the windscreen changed positions and you can’t simply change that. Why would you drill new holes into the frame and change brackets when you are fighting to keep the car in the rally? While it was never proven, it seemed very, very clear the entire car had been swapped. This was probably even more underlined when Audi withdrew Mouton when now her car was working. This way Audi had no result, but avoided post event scrutineering. The one thing I beg to differ is the story of Peugeot and the sideskirts. What I think could be the interesting question: Was it the rally organiser to do the cheating? I am not quite sure how the sideskirt rules were, but in the case of Peugeot this was part of the underbody protection and used on several rallies already since the rule change and never were an issue. As well Peugeot used the same part on gravel rallies, where sideskirts are not useful. What needs to be known is that at right that time Peugeot successfully sued the FISA. There are a lot of things were Ballestre was a very weird figure, but the FISA court is usually a consortium of different nationalities and I think right at that time the FISA had no interest whatsoever to do Peugeot a favour. Right in contrary I think in Monte 1987 they did Lancia a big favour. And what FISA also did not need was yet another farce in the so difficult 1986 season. So I think the FISA court would have loved to rule against Peugeot if it was in any way justifiable. What happened was that Peugeot led San Remo and the Italian organisers wanted an Italian car to win. So they kicked Peugeot out of the event. But the farce was still to come: Normal procedure when a team/driver appeals a decision is to let the team/driver carry on “under appeal” and the results stay provisional until the FISA court has decided. This is done so, that with the decision the according result can be instated. But the next scandal was that against FISA rules the Italian organisers did not let Peugeot carry on despite their appeal. This meant when the FISA court ruled that the Peugeots were legal, the Peugeot’s results could not be confirmed as they were not allowed to get a provisional result. And this in turn meant the FISA had no other option but to kick the entire event out of the WRC AFTER it was run, something surely the FISA would have wanted to avoid, something that is totally unique in the over 50 years history of the WRC. This all is why I do believe the Peugeots were indeed legal in that rally, it was the rally organisers that were the actual cheaters!
"Any official with a minimum of common sense would analyze Eriksson's fuel, as it was from the same team." You say that, but we had a similar situation in F1 as recently as last year. Hamilton and Leclerc were disqualified from the USGP for excessive wear to their skid blocks, but only one car from each of the top teams is chosen at random for post-race scrutineering. Sainz and Russell's cars could've easily been illegal too, but they were not inspected. It's not like they were trying to cheat, either. The sprint format of the weekend cut into practice time, giving all the teams less data to work with in order to get their setups right for the bumpy track. Red Bull and McLaren got it right, but Mercedes and Ferrari got it wrong, at least with the cars that were inspected.
I own a 94 celica st205gt4 running 450 bhp. JDM model. In the uk there are approximately 130 of these vehicles with around 70 of the registered for the road. Compared to other rally type vehicles these are still extremely cheap to buy, escort cosworth can fetch upto 75k .. and there are hundreds of these vehicles... The celica was also alot more expensive when new. These vehicles should be alot higher in price as the build quality over other cars was alot.
@@robertrishel3685 That's not what I'm saying... I'm stating a fact. Americans, like Chinese or Russians could do rallye if it was a part of their racing culture, which it is not !
@@FormulaPunRacer But it's not... Ford Europe is a completely separate Ford, it's rather a German company... In a world where groups develop in different places in different ways, the origin of the group doesn't necessarily mean shit. HERE, there is literally NOTHING American on this car. NOTHING ! Not because Americans are bad, but because Americans don't know this sport ! There is 0 interest for it in the US... Ford Europe is a Cologne based company, Germany. Most cars developed in Germany don't exist in the US. And the only Ford cars exported to Europe and in tiny quantities are the pickups and some Mustang. In the end, they are very much separate entities. Most international racing teams are British or have a strong foothold in the UK. That's the case of Ford EUROPE rallye that collaborated with the British M-Sport company. So you can dream about Americans having any part of it, but they don't... P.S. What is your perspective on BAE Systems, huge British company supplying tons of equipment to US Military? They have major R&D teams in the US, with some equipment that are 100% American. Do you think therefore that just because the group is British, it's British? So the M109 is British? The M2 Bradley is British?
Man, its good to have a refresher on how times used to be. With all the shit throwing and nasty comments about FIAs integrity and bias today, im convinced some would not have survived Balestres rule if it was today
I only have one note: the pronunciation of Lancia. It's not "lansia" or "lantsia", it's "lancha". "Ci" in Italian is pronounced as "ch" (and so the "i" is basically silent). I'm bringing this up because Lancia was such a fundamental part of rallying, I don't have bad intentions. Otherwise great video!
Great information, you explain it well. Although small correction; the Ford team are not American, they are British! Obviously the parent company is American, but Ford has divisions all over the world, it's like how GM goes by Chevrolet, Opel, Vauxhall, or Holden depending on the country, the only difference with Ford is they don't bother changing their name 😅
The subtitle of this video literally describes Girls und Panzer
ajakaksk so true
Lol, real
For a new channel really excellent work. All very well, understandable and accurately explained. I guess you even did a lot of research in the Toyota case. You deserve a lot of subscribers!
With Audi at the Bandama Rallye, it is worth to underline that in African events it was quite normal that chase cars were donor cars. That is why mechanic Franz Braun drove the car and that is why - as you say too - it was not at all suspiscious that the Braun car retired at that moment. Btw the codriver is called Arwed, not Arewd (pronounce Arved). But I think with the withdrawal of Mouton Audi avoided a major scandal. The photos of the journalists showed that things like brackets of jacks and brackets securing the windscreen changed positions and you can’t simply change that. Why would you drill new holes into the frame and change brackets when you are fighting to keep the car in the rally? While it was never proven, it seemed very, very clear the entire car had been swapped. This was probably even more underlined when Audi withdrew Mouton when now her car was working. This way Audi had no result, but avoided post event scrutineering.
The one thing I beg to differ is the story of Peugeot and the sideskirts.
What I think could be the interesting question: Was it the rally organiser to do the cheating?
I am not quite sure how the sideskirt rules were, but in the case of Peugeot this was part of the underbody protection and used on several rallies already since the rule change and never were an issue. As well Peugeot used the same part on gravel rallies, where sideskirts are not useful.
What needs to be known is that at right that time Peugeot successfully sued the FISA. There are a lot of things were Ballestre was a very weird figure, but the FISA court is usually a consortium of different nationalities and I think right at that time the FISA had no interest whatsoever to do Peugeot a favour. Right in contrary I think in Monte 1987 they did Lancia a big favour. And what FISA also did not need was yet another farce in the so difficult 1986 season. So I think the FISA court would have loved to rule against Peugeot if it was in any way justifiable.
What happened was that Peugeot led San Remo and the Italian organisers wanted an Italian car to win. So they kicked Peugeot out of the event. But the farce was still to come:
Normal procedure when a team/driver appeals a decision is to let the team/driver carry on “under appeal” and the results stay provisional until the FISA court has decided. This is done so, that with the decision the according result can be instated.
But the next scandal was that against FISA rules the Italian organisers did not let Peugeot carry on despite their appeal. This meant when the FISA court ruled that the Peugeots were legal, the Peugeot’s results could not be confirmed as they were not allowed to get a provisional result. And this in turn meant the FISA had no other option but to kick the entire event out of the WRC AFTER it was run, something surely the FISA would have wanted to avoid, something that is totally unique in the over 50 years history of the WRC.
This all is why I do believe the Peugeots were indeed legal in that rally, it was the rally organisers that were the actual cheaters!
crazy high production quality. I didnt even see the low subscriber cound until i checked the comments
Well, the channel is new, so every subscriber is more than welcome!
I’ve been seeing these lately and I’m so glad I am
Look I don’t condone cheating but Lancia “allegedly” hiding nitrous in the fire extinguishers had me on the floor. 😂🤣
"Any official with a minimum of common sense would analyze Eriksson's fuel, as it was from the same team."
You say that, but we had a similar situation in F1 as recently as last year. Hamilton and Leclerc were disqualified from the USGP for excessive wear to their skid blocks, but only one car from each of the top teams is chosen at random for post-race scrutineering. Sainz and Russell's cars could've easily been illegal too, but they were not inspected. It's not like they were trying to cheat, either. The sprint format of the weekend cut into practice time, giving all the teams less data to work with in order to get their setups right for the bumpy track. Red Bull and McLaren got it right, but Mercedes and Ferrari got it wrong, at least with the cars that were inspected.
Lancia's possible nitrous trickery would make for an amazing antagonist for Fast and the Furious #213: Down in the Dirt
Nascar fan here. It’s not cheating, it’s innovation that isn’t approved yet 😅
So probably nitrous in the fire extinguishers...what else would it be? Safety first right. Lol.
Msport is not American ffs
I own a 94 celica st205gt4 running 450 bhp. JDM model. In the uk there are approximately 130 of these vehicles with around 70 of the registered for the road.
Compared to other rally type vehicles these are still extremely cheap to buy, escort cosworth can fetch upto 75k .. and there are hundreds of these vehicles...
The celica was also alot more expensive when new. These vehicles should be alot higher in price as the build quality over other cars was alot.
Amazing work can’t wait for more videos
Subscribed this is so good man respect
The Ford Focus participating is a European Ford, the team is Ford Europe... There is no American team in rallye in modern times. Do better research.
Sad but true. Rally is too…sophisticated for Americans. Sad but true.
@@robertrishel3685 That's not what I'm saying... I'm stating a fact.
Americans, like Chinese or Russians could do rallye if it was a part of their racing culture, which it is not !
In the end, to me, if it’s Ford, it’s spiritually American. No matter where it’s built
@@FormulaPunRacer
But it's not...
Ford Europe is a completely separate Ford, it's rather a German company...
In a world where groups develop in different places in different ways, the origin of the group doesn't necessarily mean shit.
HERE, there is literally NOTHING American on this car. NOTHING ! Not because Americans are bad, but because Americans don't know this sport ! There is 0 interest for it in the US...
Ford Europe is a Cologne based company, Germany.
Most cars developed in Germany don't exist in the US. And the only Ford cars exported to Europe and in tiny quantities are the pickups and some Mustang.
In the end, they are very much separate entities.
Most international racing teams are British or have a strong foothold in the UK. That's the case of Ford EUROPE rallye that collaborated with the British M-Sport company.
So you can dream about Americans having any part of it, but they don't...
P.S. What is your perspective on BAE Systems, huge British company supplying tons of equipment to US Military?
They have major R&D teams in the US, with some equipment that are 100% American. Do you think therefore that just because the group is British, it's British?
So the M109 is British?
The M2 Bradley is British?
@@fabr5747dont forget ford australia.
Man, its good to have a refresher on how times used to be. With all the shit throwing and nasty comments about FIAs integrity and bias today, im convinced some would not have survived Balestres rule if it was today
Good stuff, guys!
The winner takes it all….
(no questions asked🙄🙄)
Amazing video
Thanks!
I only have one note: the pronunciation of Lancia. It's not "lansia" or "lantsia", it's "lancha". "Ci" in Italian is pronounced as "ch" (and so the "i" is basically silent). I'm bringing this up because Lancia was such a fundamental part of rallying, I don't have bad intentions.
Otherwise great video!
I've tried to adjust this in IA, but it didn't worked. Is there any other faulty pronunciation to be adjusted?
@@RacingLineChannel Not to my knowledge, no. Once again, great video!
@@RacingLineChannelthe delta integrale is pronounced integral-ay. Great video!
It's only cheating if you get caught. 😋
the videos good, but could you please take some research time into learing how to pronounce stuff correctly
I'm trying to fix the AI pronunciation, it takes some time.
Boo hoo, he didn't pronounce your precious foreign palabras. Go tell on someone for running in the halls, Mr perfect.