Audi's Worst Nightmare
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- Опубліковано 6 лис 2023
- Group B rally was an era of extremes. Extreme power, extreme speed, extreme danger. So, what did it take to be the best? To take on madness and win, to cheat death and laugh in the face of physics, trusting their wrath will be repelled by a mere steel cage. Peugeot, finding more success than anyone else, won 2 manufacturer’s and 2 driver’s titles during the short 5 years of Group B insanity. But nothing lasts forever...
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I own a Audi and its a all time nightmare to me.
you and me both lol
I own a peugeot and it’s all time audi nightmare to me
I own a Renault and it is its own nightmare.
My s4 hasn’t let me down once 150k miles still does exactly what it’s meant for
My A3 s-line has never let me down and just gone over 100k miles, still as tight as your mums pumpum 🫢
What you missed was the 1987 Paris-Dakar Rally.
So after the 1986 end to Group B, Peugeot and all major rally teams had a pickle and for Peugeot, it was even worse as now on their hands, they had a winning rally car but no way to use it with and thus, someone came up with an idea.
As the Paris-Dakar rally had close to no rules on how much your car should be, Peugeot knew that their car was great enough to compete thus Jean Todt did not order his mechanics to do much about the cars even and just sent Ari Vatanen and the cars over to the start of the rally, just as how it was competing in 1986 with just a sponsorship change now and goodness it was a slaughter..
Peugeot slammed all the other competitors outright and won the whole event overall across multiple countries in the same setup that they used in 1986 across the whole WRC season. That's just awesome in its own right.
They won twice in the 205, twice in a 405 bodied version and then switched marques to run an evolution of the same car as a Citroen ZX and pick up 4 more wins. I remember renting the Duke films VHS of the event each year!
Actually, not sure when, but they updated the car and gave it an extended wheelbase. It looked really weird, since they added a bit between the doors and the rear side windows!
The 405 which replaced it was a superior car, famously being beaten by the 205 when Ari Vatanen's leading 405 car was stolen overnight one year!
Both the 205 and the 405 also competed in the Pikes Peak Hillclimb, with the 405 winning it twice.
@@ondraspendlik9759 That's 1988 iirc. The year they extended the wheelbase by abit for the 205 was in 1988 where it competed together with the 405.
it was the same car just with different bodywork on. Then it has Citroen Xsara bodywork and continued to win. The Audi Quattro although spectacular in its S1 short version guise only lasted for 3 years as it didn’t have the performance to compete with the 205.
At least Peugeot build the full quantity of homologation specials and lined them all up for inspection. Unlike Ford that had less than 20 cars all with multiple number plates.
The 205 T16 for Paris-Dakar wasn't exactly the same as the one for rally: the rally version (white livery) was 4WD, the Paris-Dakar/rally-raid version (yellow livery) was RWD, needless to say RWD on a car with such a short wheelbase is a total mess to pilot.
I alway find it funny that a Peugeot “hatchback” was the first ever mid-engined 4WD car. Not Lamborghini, not Porsche, Peugeot…
And? Peugeot made cars since 1896. Porsche made cars since 1938 (thank you the nazis...). Lamborghini made cars since 1963. Learn your history uneducated noob...
Peugeot used to make incredible vehicles, if you're a bit younger you'd be used to the trash they sold in recent years but in the past they were bulletproof, ultra reliable vehicles
@@bzilla1090 Yeah my friend's granddad refuses to buy anything but Peugeot. Even though his 2000's Peugeot cars keep having issues at a more regular pace than is acceptable.
For gods sakes my 2002 BMW 3 series has been more reliable for 6 years. Only ever suffering one 100€ coolant leak, and having braking lines corrode so they had to be replaced for 400€. That's all non-oil change maintenance a 20 year old BMW took for 6 years of me going near 200km/h on the highway regularly, and constantly having the car sideways and redlining during winters. I have given the poor thing hell, and it refuses to die or break.
And when I say that Peugeot was the most successful car at Group B, most people attack me with Audi and Lancia mentions.
Well, the numbers don't lie
Omg reply
205 was the most succesful.......
,but it wasn't the fastest........
@@jansedlak8505Then how did it win so much?
@@sandromartins20 It was faster than Audi, but it wasn't faster than Lancia Delta S4. Lancia would probably win both manufacturer's and driver's Titles in 1986 if not that crash in Corsica.
Interesting fact: Peugeot used special wind tunnels under the car that kept the car planted to the ground, that were banned after Henri Toivonen's crash, but Peugeot still used it. They weren't able to create new floor beacuse homologation of new parts wasn't allowed anymore. They were banned from participating in Rally San Marino(I think that's the one). Peugeot won the manufacturer's title, but driver's title was still unfinished. In the last rally of the season, Lancia's Marku Allen and Peugeot's Juha Kankkunen were fighting for the title and Marku Allen managed to get more points that Juha and won the Title, but some days later, it was decides that banning Peugeot from Rally San Marino was illegal, so they cancelled points from that rally. Eventually Juha Kankkunen won the title.
yes, the numbers are what they are. but im sure audi and lancia arent that much aggrieved they didnt scoop up the wins. they were in contenion and they blazed through group b with so much panache that they certainly built a reputation as the crem de la crem of racing competitors and car manufacturers.
My uncle was the lead engineer on the Peugeot 205 T16 Evo 2 and the cars were built in his shop, so this is a really exciting video for me!
May be your uncle André De Cortanze, Jean Claude Vaucard or even Jean Pierre Boudy?
@@carlosmagnus717 Bernard Bouhier from Bouhier engineering
@@ltcars27 thats so cool!
Sure he was😂
@@whcwcjecjecuecuw6654 Yeah, he sure was!
The abysmal crowd control wasn't a feature of group B specifically. It was a feature of the Portuguese Rally in particular, with a couple of others being nearly as bad.
Crowds at rallies such as the Thousand Lakes, Sweden and GB (the RAC Rally as it was known at the time) were either kept under control by officials or were sensible enough to not get stupidly close to places where a car might go off.
What's funny is that Peugeot was also Audi's worst nightmare in prototype racing.
That's because the Marlboro Peugeot team only won Le Mans just once in their five year tenure.
1:31 "reliable(-enough)" is my favourite quote from the video
Jean Todt was a genius, I am studiying to become a mechanical engineer and my dream is to work on sports rally car, Todt is a huge source of inspiration for me.
I saw these cars live when I was kid, and what a time for a Finnish kid that was..... we had Alen, Mikkola, Toivonen, Vatanen, Kankkunen, Salonen....
Fins are THE BEST rally racers to me
I want to hear the story of Peugeot 206 WRC where Peugeot won 3 More Constructors Titles and 2 Drivers Titles
Proobably one of the best WRC ever built
Really loving these longer form videos. Great work as always man I love it
Really love your videos, they are so informative and well put together. In a world of shorts its great to see guys like yourself putting the work in and making such great videos still.
Love your vids 😍 amazing work as always
Excellent narrative & narration mate, always loved the Group B era 👏🏻
michele mouton is my favourite group b pilot
Agreed
She is so underrated, almost unknown outside France and Europe
@@skippylegrandgourou2069 she's so cool. I know she didn't win any world championship titles, but she was a bloody fast driver. Unsafe at any speed is one of my favourite documentaries on group b, the helicopter footage of a 205 doing piles peak and another in Corsica have the car flying along the side of the mountain/s it's absolutely breathtaking, I had a few 205s they were fun!
@@faeskruff1772 AFAIK she didint won 1982 season not becuase of her driving, but her AUDI was always broke - she doesnt even end lot of events (4 out of 12, in Kenya she didnt even attended)...... She was genius driver
Finally someone does justice to what really happened in the short history of Group B.
The one who should be the true Group B icon is the champion.
Truth is Audi was only ever succesful because FIA changed regulations like if for Audi. Everybody knew in rallying it was illegal to have 4-wheel drive or turbocharge. Then Audi developed the car and FIA let it in. Once other manufacturers caught up with rules change, they destroyed the Audi.
@@piotrmalewski8178 Audi bent the rules as Lancia with the 037 did
@@altergreenhorn Imho, ban of 4WD and turbocharge, and then suddenly having it homologated by FIA was bigger.
@@piotrmalewski8178 audi knew from the get go that it wasn't perfect. But they were champions for 3 years and two pikes peaks with what they had. Their group S project was interesting..... Without Audi group B wouldn't be what it would turn out to be. Its racing succes and its sound(best sounding rally car ever) is why its the poster boy of Group B even if its not the "best" outright. Hope you can sleep at night.......
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo I'm not saying they couldn't do it, I'm saying they were in favorable position.
Not sure if you didn't make a mistake there about the anullment. FISA anulled the results of the 1986 San Remo Rally, because the Italian event stewards disqualified the whole Peugeot team for using illegal side skirts (which were deemed legal at other events, so Peugeot protested the decision later). Many thought this was the Italian stewards trying to help Lancia win the event (which they did in the end). FISA anulled the event after the season had concluded, which was very controversial, because it changed the result of both championships. Markku Alén and Lancia were the champions (both driver's and manufacturer's) for 11 days I think, before FISA anulled the event, which handed the titles to Juha Kankkunen and Peugeot.
Peugeot later took the 205 T16 to Pikes Peak in 1987, narrowly losing out to Audi that year, before coming back with the 405 T16 the next year (and the year after) and taking 2 Pikes Peak wins and a new record time. They also adapted both the 205 and the 405 T16 for the Dakar Rally, which they won every year from 1987 to 1989, if I'm not mistaken.
What's worse, the Peugeots weren't looking like they were going to win the 1986 San Remo rally in the first place. The steward's "intervention" was unnecessary as Lancia would have almost certainly won the rally anyway.
Before the Sanremo Rally Peugeot was already the Constructors' champion in that year 86, specifically in the 1000 Lakes rally, after Salonen overtook Alén, pushing him to roll over and winning the rally, Alén being 3rd behind Kankkunen.
The same thing happened in the British RAC rally but without overturn.
Some here believe that Lancia was going to win the Sanremo easily without the disqualification of the Peugeot team. It is not at all clear. In 3rd Leg Biasion was 11 seconds ahead of Kankkunen with a gravel stage ahead, where the roads were cleared favoring those behind, with Biasion starting first. The last leg was on the asphalt of the 1st leg where the Peugeots were better.
Peugeot's disqualification was once again due to a trick by Mr. Fiorio that demonstrated the fear he had of losing at home since they had already lost the Brands Championship in Finland. The Peugeot did have illegal lateral flaps, they were in the pre-rally checks, never in the middle of the test when they were disqualified (typical Italian plot).
That was the reason that Markku Alén wasn't World Champion, something that Fiorio didn't care about at all.
Regarding the Pike's Peak of '87, Vatanen would have easily won it if it had not been for the breakage of an intake flange 3 kilometers from the finish line at more than 4,000 meters above sea level where his engine lost 70% of its power, and only lost by 7 seconds. Already in training it was seen that the Peugeot was doing much better times.
Quick note, back in the 80's and 90's the Rac rally was all over the uk, rather then just the modern version that never leaves wales. So for 1984 when the 205 did its first rac rally, they actually started in liverpool. It was only Wales from 2000 onwards, before that they went everywhere, even to scotland some years, and it started in different towns/citys every year. I remember going watching the start as a child in around 1992 and it was in Harrogate for the start.
Really can't get enuff of your videos mate, they are very well made and the way you narrate them is really good, keep up the good work 🔥
I actually liked this as a perfect companion piece to your Lancia video. Well-done!
first one of this gentleman's vids i've watched; very impressive! you've got an amazing voice for this. Just a top-notch vid for us auto enthusiasts. I'm in the U.S. and I love watching videos devoted to these 80s euro rally machines. Just amazing vehicles!
My favorite of the group b rally cars. This thing is insane
Delta S4 was more insane
@@posniknelb6114 They were all absolutely insane to be honest. Delta S4 was truly the pinnacle but it was also the last of all the Group B cars. The stuff from Group S was going to be even crazier.
@@posniknelb6114 it’s definitely cool too but still like the t16 more
Every machine out of the group b era was amazing and then there was Peugeot 👍
Delta S4 was the better machine. Won the last two rallies of 85 which were the last it entered. And then of course 86 happened.
Hi You there. I just want to say that im glad the youngtimer like You ( no offence), is a fan of old school rallying, when it was at it best. Stay that way. Great way of speaking, no bullshit ideas, no annoying ads, just the topic. Group "B" was the best time in motorsport. It's awsome You try to make it closer for people who never heard of it. My new favorite channel for sure. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Thank you for this video! Matchbox and Corgi toys from childhood brought me here! 🙂
Watching these cars being used so aggressivly to tackle the ground and g-forces is a thrill. I can only imagine the adrenaline rush one must experience while mastering such machines
Small correction: the Evo 2 debuted in Corsica in 1985 in the hands of Bruno Saby.
The main problem with the Vatanen crash in Argentina was that his seat broke, and he basically was “loose” in the car.
Third: calling the 205 t16 a silhouette racer isn’t really true. The front part, so from the passengerspace, was actually the existing monocoque.
The car never had a tendency to rotate on his side while in the air. In fact if anything it was more stable that ways, because of added gyroscopic effects in a longitudinal direction (same direction as the wheels). The car had a tendency to land on it’s nose though, which they hoped would also be solved with the aid of aerodynamic devices.
Remember seeing these weapons flying through the stages of chatsworth House and wollaton Park as a youngster
Something I'll never forget
Great informative video 👍
Very nice presentation. Thanks for the history lesson. I was 2 when this was going on 😁 You have a great voice for this!
i played FH4 so much just to rally in, the 205 was always one of my fav cars to drive around it
the 405 car set a fantastic time at Pikes Peak, and was the subject of a beautiful french movie production about the hillclimb, winning them a filmmaker's award. i think it was called something like "climb dance"
Love these videos
I'm an ex motorsport engineer myself and honestly you've been spot on
Great vid, knew most of it but still good to see
Very interesting thanks for putting this together
My favorite UA-camr returns
So, do we assume there will be a 405T16 video coming up with its success as the Pikes Peak and Dakar weapon ??
You heard it here first ! 🙂
This is one of my favorite rally video essays.
I love building these cars to spec in games, I'd love a little break down of the differences between the cars, I have trouble finding the transmission gear ratios, power and tire size numbers
Ari said that Peugeot was very easy to drive vs Audi and especially Lancia. You can find videos him driving other cars from that era.
You have to Admit the Audis where one of the only cars that were near to the production car . The Lancias the Peugot where just made out of tube chassi . The Audis used Kevlar but still had a Solid Chassi .
But the days of the s1 where nubered as well cause Audi was developing a flat tube chassi mid engined car on their own. Its displayed at the audi museum
Understood, so it isn't a Peugeot 205, it is a racing car with 205 body panels arranged around it
I’ve always wanted to ask. Those posters on your wall are amazing. Where can I get similar ones man?
Also, been watching your content since day 1. Keep up the good work! 💪💪
Great use of music.
12:07 "Determination"
12:46 and 14:03 "Tragedy"
15:24 "Triumph"
Once again good Program . Well Done!!
One correction in 1986 the Portuguese Rally was one by Joaquim Moutinho ou a Renault 5 Turbo ( Tour the Course competition car or Cevannes training car) , not Maxi 5 Turbo
The eighties were the epitome of racing both in F1 and Rallye.
An extraordinary time indeed!
Yes, with immense glory came immense danger, but it was a mesmerising show.
Truly unparalleled to this day.
Subbed, very informative and well done research, respect from the United Kingdom pal
You can follow up with kit car category in the 90's which was the revenge of French manufacturers cause after the end of Gr.B they didn't have much to line up in what became the WRC category. until the late 90's early 00's.
Best example from Peugeot was the 306 Maxi which was a real asphalt monster.
One of my favorite rallycars. Engineering masterpiece
Audis decision to keep with the front engined configuration to resemble their passanger cars cost them dearly. BUT, the Audis do sound awsome.
Good decision because you can buy them and use them.... When they're all tubular frame with the engine where people need to sit and nowhere to put shopping and stuff and therefore not at all like the car you will get if you go and buy one....? What does that rally car tell you about the car you go and buy? Not a lot I reckon.
Also car means carriage... A carry, transport vehicle.
These things are not cars they are racing buggies.
If all manufacturers do this then of course all the 'cars' will end up the same almost and end up like F1.... An utter load of bullshit irrelevant to the manufacturer.... You'd have to be nuts to think after say Mercedes win the F1 then as a result people go out and buy Mercedes cars.... Madness; there isn't a single nut ir bolt on the F1 racing buggy that will appear in your car that you buy. You have the same shared components between the Mercedes car and Mercedes F1 as you do between the Mercedes car and the Renault F1.... Zero
Audi wisely stopped and put their winning car components into the cars they then went on to successfully sell for years. They stopped and capitalised while they were ahead therefore remained ahead in everyone's minds for decades after.... The most famous rally car, that you can buy (of course in a more useful comfy, fuel efficient form)
That's it-I'm subscribing!
Great video and engaging delivery. I hope that this trend of covering each Group B monster will lead you to the rather more timid Citroen BX 4TC. I have always been curious about it's gestation and purpose especially considering Peugeot and Citroen were under the same umbrella. A failure but a charming one nonetheless.
A friend of my father was a few corners away from Santos' nightmare crash in Portugal, it was total caos. I was also unbelievably lucky that my driving school teacher was also a rally enthusiast too. He was at Corsica in '86 enjoying the rally with some friends. If i remember correctly they were in the town at the stage's end, waiting for the cars just off-stage. He recalls how no one knew what happened until the radios came in on the marshall post next to them, then they walked through the stage towards Toivonen's crash site.
I'd kill to be able to see those cars run like they did those years.
Well done video. Excellent narration! Thanks. It's too bad the crowds didn't have the common sense of self preservation during the Group B era. Also, tragic that those guys lost their lives. It's too bad the B's had to go, they were so powerful and fast that seemingly no amount of safety devices and technology would be overcome the crashes with trees, rock walls, etc., all around.
For me, Group B is probably the most interesting that motorsport has ever offered.
And 037 is a piece of art. ❤
Finally someone not blowing smoke up the audis hole
Recently decided to use this car in Forza Horizon 5 and am glad I got good taste, since I had to deliberately find one or two in-game. I mean, all Group B cars that are in-game are awesome, but this one in particular is extra fun.
The S1 is sot of big and bulky, but the 205 is smaller and mid-engined. What's not to love?
I met Ari at an event here in Ireland in 2017 , I was sitting in my very basic clubman spec white 205 gti rallycar, having an ice cream when I heard a tap on the roof and a voice said " Peugeot 205... very good car and a hand reached in, it was Ari on a walk about .
Knowing his history with the car, how important the 205 was to Peugeot and his near death experience made it all the better .
A gentleman and a moment I'll treasure
Outstanding video.....
An excellent essay
The 405 T16 held the record at Pikes Peak from 88-92 & won the Paris Dakar
My favourite part about Salonnen is that he was a fat chain smoker who steered with just one arm at all times. The dude still occasionally gives the young modern athletes a run for their money to this day.
And yes, the rally driver Ryosuke mentions during the God Arm battle in Initial D is Timo Salonnen.
Still sad Audi Sport weren't given the green light to build a mid-engined Quattro way earlier. Would have been exciting to see the development.
I never expected to hear anything great about Peugeot
credit where credit is due
People often mention the manufacturers when it came to their insane apatite for more speed and performance. It was nothing more than their selfish 'Greed' that killed the drivers. When spectators died however, that's on the organizers to inform them to stay clear. People are also dumber than sheep and most deaths among spectators happened because of their desperate attempts to seems bold and macho in front of complete strangers. Safety during racing is still seen as an uncomfortable obstacle that gets in the way of entertainment. Crashes draws crowds. Plain and simple.
hello from France, this car is legendary to everyone in france, both for the 205 T16, the 205 Rallye and the 205 GTI
The king of Group B. I love the 037, S1 and Delta, but the T16 was the true king.
I grew up with a Peugeot 205. My first car was a 206. And if I was still driving, I'd love to own a 208. Those cars have something special to them. Even in Gran Turismo, they feel so good. Hurray for the 🦁.
LOVED the 505,still beautiful in my eyes :)
@@HenrySimple Never seen a 505 in real life. From my childhood, it's Renault 5, Golf GTI, and Peugeot 205 mostly. Oh, almost forgot, my old man used to have a Jeep. Maybe it was too expensive?
After that we got the amazing 406 coupé. The 500 series seems to be discontinued. Nevermind, there is a 508... 😆
This car was brilliant - I wish Peugeot had put the Quasar into production!
Definitely should of put the Oxia into Production and the 308 R hybrid
Thank you!!🤩😎
thank you for the video
I knew the 205 was an incredible Group B car and did extremely well. Didnt realise it was the most winningest of all Group B !!
The days of real motorsport. 😢
I still cant reconcile that voice with your appearance 😂😂😂
Project 420.
With improved aerodynamics and lower weight (think Porsche 550/Lotus Elise), hybrid independent wheel motors and steering (that is, where for instance the wheels have differing angles,, depending on the loads, etc), balance near-mid main engine, AWD, oh and Citroen C5/C6 styled suspension... basically the only car I'd bother with. Oh and I'd probably also have a slightly triangular (like that Nissan Deltawing thing or whatever that was called) sort of setup.
*I've tested what I mentioned, btw.
Have a good day.
In Greece the Peugeot pocket rockets were very famous and sought after pro racers and boy racers for the weekend street racing at "Limanakia"
Well formulated and presented. Modern rally cars have to be reaching Group B accelerations if not top speed nowadays, all within the rules, but with many fewer disasters. What's different? Has to be handling, doesn't it?
Bro. I thought you were 45 and balding. Impeccable narration. Love WRC content.
when starting to work in at the dealer i worked for 12 years there was a audi quatro there for rust repair did not know what sort of car it was back then
The driver @15:15 is Ari Vatanen, not Juha Kankkonen. It can't be from 1986 as Ari did not take part in the WRC that year.
He was still recovering from his near fatal crash in Argentina in 1985.
Nice job o7
Nice video, can I drop a suggestion in your server?
1:48 When Talbot won the 1980 WRC championship, the Chrysler brand name didn't apply anymore because PSA Peugeot-Citroën already bought all Chrysler European operations and renamed Talbot the previous brands Chrysler (UK brand name) and Simca (continental Europe/ South America brand name). So a Talbot-Chrysler car never existed.
Bucket list car
Just found this channel! Amazing content!
Although group B & S came to an end, Peugeot cars did shine in rally-raid and also Pike's peak
I own a lancia delta s4.
In dirt
Also worth a mention. Between the lotus sunbeam and the Peugeot 205 t16 talbot were developing a mid engined talbot horizon to take on the grp4 cars it had the sunbeams 911 lotus engine mid mounted and turbocharged to produce over 300bhp but it was only rear wheel drive and with the audi's 4 wheel drive success it never reached it full development befor Peugeot took over and Jean Todt stopped further development and built the t16
Your voice works great for Rally-type or other Motorsport videos
Merci pour cette vidéo
My only complaint is that Michèle Mouton wasn't included in the list shes the only female to piss off walter rohrl because she was just as fast
Mouton only competed in 2 events for Peugeot in WRC Group B, and she unfortunately didn't get on the podium. Don't worry though, when I cover Audi, where she really did piss of Rohrl, I'll be sure to tell the story!
@@automobilistic didn't know I thought she had more wins I'd love for you to do a video about Michèle and Walters rivalry and she rly did piss him off man 👌
remember, you will never be the guy who bought Jean Todt's (as is, gifted to him by Peugeot Sport) unique roadlegal 205T16 Evo 1 (literally barely used and even then it got restored to factory new after being sold the first time) for little less than 86000€
Well, the ‘86 season got VERY complicated at the end……. so we could talk about Sanremo results probably forever🙏🙏
The talbot horizon was a rattly old shed, the talbot sunbeam was a good car.
Fabulous video!
Two corrections:
13:28: "The event was won by a Renault 5 Maxi Turbo". It was actually won with the older Renault 5 Turbo, driven by Joaquim Moutinho, not a Maxi.
14:57: "Peugeot ended up winning the Tour de Corse". After the factory Peugeot and Lancia teams withdrew, a Renault R5 Maxi, driven by Jean Ragnotti won the event.
Cheers
Peugeot did win the 86 Tour de Corse Bruno Saby was driving. Jean Ragnotti won in 85
@@DZeus83 You are correct, I got '85 and '86 confused. Cheers
X-TREME!!!
In the ninetees i own a peugeot 205 1.9 GTI. Its the best car ever. Its stable, fast. Unfortunaly an other car crashed into my car and its totalloss. If i have enough money i wil buy one again. These days its expensive to buy a good one again. Its thanx to the rally sports that i fall in love with the 205 GTI 1.9
Btw, front wheel drive is still very strong, nowadays, amongst many major manufacturers, for day to day cars!
Back when drivers actually had a personality (and we're all certifiably bonkers).
Well, even these days. Audi ain't any better than Peugeot.
@13:44 where you mention that Toyota won the Safari Rally in 1986, the car shown is a Subaru Leone RX Turbo 4wd...