I think the reason why the first Van Halen album is regarded so highly is because this was something we haven't heard before, it was something new and a guitar player that didn't sound like any body else.
Agreed ! The 1st album hit so many people right away that as a fan you can enjoy but still enjoy the way the band progressed. My favorite is "Fair Warning" but that first record was so great & still holds up.
it gets everything right,production is spot on,it comes flying out of the speakers,and the sub atomic guitar sound,and the band sound,fresh,hungry and ready to kill
The first album that comes to my mind in this discussion is Metallica's Black Album. That album changed a lot in the Metal community back in the day. Up until that point Metallica were the heroes for almost every metalhead. Nothing they did was questioned whatsoever. Even when they produced this huge and expensive video for the rather unusual "One", every fan could relate to that. But in 1991 things started to turn. The self titled fifth album split the fanbase like no other in the history of heavy metal. The one half worshiped that record the other half hated every single second. It became this huge discussion about sell out and becoming mainstream as a true metal band. Everybody had a Metallica shirt all of a sudden, radio stations played Nothing else matters and The Unforgiven in a loop, even at live shows you would see people that had absolutely no business at a metal concert and the whole world seemed to have become fans of Metallica over night. So i guess it's a fair question to someone who finds the black album to be his favorite, if he is a "real" fan of the band or just jumped on the hype train in '91.
I agree. I could even argue that those who say "Constrictor" or "Raise Yer Fist And Yell" are their favorites might not be Alice fans. In the sense of they are definitely more straight forward but far less imaginative. When the great thing about Alice is precisely the uniqueness of the whole concept. Nobody sounds like Alice Cooper. And I think the albums we're talking about could have been recorded by any other artist and it wouldn't make much difference.
@Alexander Caviedes The point for me is that while "Flush The Flashion" (or the whole so-called blackout era) may be so different from the rest of the catalog, Alice was still dangerous, puzzling and unique. I think almost all real Alice Cooper fans love these four albums.
@@joniturbe7535 I am a bit younger, growing up in the 70s, so I may not have an accurate picture of how huge he was back in the day. He was probably considered such a mainstream big-time star that most punk fans would not have gravitated toward his albums, even if the music was to their liking. But, I agree, always dangerous, puzzling and unique!
I can speak to the Grateful Dead thing. Many of my friends got into them in the 80’s, probably because we’re in that age cohort. But it still blows me away how myopic many’s perspective is today, 30 years later. I was not a huge dead head in the 80s and got into them because I joined a tribute band (handling the Bob role). I was absolutely blown away by their earlier to mid 70s stuff as well as the contributions from a character named Pigpen, who I classify into the Blind Owl Wilson and/or John Fahey school of blues knowledge. I dig later stuff, but I do not drift to late 80s/early 90s when I listen. First of all, the keyboard sound is very “80s” and Bob’s guitar can barely be heard. Jerry’s once beautiful voice gets quite weak as well. I’m reminded of how my age group considers the Beatles as well. It’s all post Revolver or so with very little consideration for the great stuff they did before. I admit, the later stuff is maybe more contemporary to our ears, but it shouldn’t cancel out the pre-66 stuff.
Same. I played keyboards in a GD tributes for a few years, more like Keith than anyone else. It took me decades to warm up to the 80s, and I still can't do beyond 1990. And early Beatles is almost a different band, a real powerhouse.
Full disclosure: saw the Dead over 120 ×.... thiers " Deadheads" today that have Never Seen Jerry... I Love that.. The " Dead " is still my most Listened to Band.. Timeless & Classic.
Albums: Roxy Music : Avalon Kiss : Dinasty BOC: Fire of unknown origin David Bowie: let’s dance Fleetwood Mac: rumors Frank Zappa : joe’s garage Songs: Van Halen : jump Extreme: more than words Kansas: dust in the wind
Pete!....love Journey's debut AND Look into the Future and Next are solid too! I go back to those 3 more than Infinity - Escape, although Infinity is a classic. Big fan of Ansley Dunbar's and absolutely love Gregg Rolie's vocals, so guess that's why I gravitate to the first 3...so many of my friends dismiss them without giving them a chance. I will say that I like the Perry and Steve Smith era too up through Escape, just love the vibe and prog style of the first 3.
I can see that. That ELO album was their MTV album to me. It was the very first ELO album I bought. It wasn't until I listened to others that I decided ELO had better albums. It was my full introduction to them making "Secret Messages" my favorite.
@@AverageJoeDoh Out of the Blue was my first album of any kind where I liked EVERY song. I played Time incessantly on the bus in high school (mid-80s). I like Secret Messages but no where near the others. And I love several of the deep cuts like "Julie Don't Live Here" and "Latitude 88 North"... Armchair Theater is pretty good as well but I would consider Balance of Power to be better than Sceret Messages.
A Canadian example of sounding like where they're from is The Tragically Hip. A huge band here in Canada, still played on the radio all the time and everybody here loves them but most of the world don't know who they are.
The Hip are Canada's biggest in Canada only band of all time. The Band, Rush, The Guess Who, BTO, April Wine, Bryan Adams etc. are all bigger globally but the Hip sold out coast to coast when they toured here as if they were on the same level.
@@russw3736 …I’m a big Queen fan but I certainly understand if you like Queen II or Queen I that you wouldn’t like the rest of their catalogue….those records are more rockers and much less eclectic….I enjoy all their music….enjoy your day!
My mom knows I like Yes a lot and she seems to like them a decent amount. I was buying some CDs like Relayer and The Yes Album and she asked me why I wasn't getting "the one with the numbers". Really makes you realize how huge of a difference in sound those eras are and how the people that found them with 90125 often have no clue about the 70s stuff. I played her a bit Sound Chaser and she wasn't very fond of it, granted I had no clue what was happening when I first heard it as well. She's a very casual fan of the 80s stuff and I don't want to end up "ruining" that by talking down on that stuff even if I don't think it even compares to the earlier stuff or represents what Yes is really about
I am surprised that Pete didn't mention the band Whitesnake. There are basically two different eras of Whitesnake. The very bluesy era from the late 70's through the early 80's, and the Hard Rock/ Glam metal era that started in the late 80's. My favorite Whitesnake album is the 1987 self titled album, but I also love albums like Trouble,Ready An Willin, Saints And Sinners, and Love Hunter alot which is from their Bluesy era. There are some Whitesnake fans that most likely never listened to their Bluesy era because it was never popular in America. It is very different than their Hard Rock/Glam Metal era , but just as amazing in my opinion.
Man I can't believe what Martin said about Def Leppard. That was the first band I thought of when I saw this topic. I am truly THAT GUY who likes the first TWO and that's it. I can literally recall my senior year of high school when Pyromania came out I was really bummed. And you can only imagine my disgust at the ones after THAT. They went into the shit pile in my opinion after HIGH N DRY
High n Dry is by far the best but Pyromania is fantastic too. Jus skip the overplayed hits like Photograph and Rock of Ages and listen to the true gems like Coming Under Fire and Action not Words
Pyromania is okay but I never listen to it. I absolutely love the first two and if I have to choose my favorite is whichever one I’m listening to at the time.
Metallica has a pre-1991 audience, a post-1991 audience, fans who like everything and people who never cared for it. Despite the black album being released 32 years ago, many fans from the very beginning have still not been able to accept the style changes of the group, but still consider themselves real fans
Another Friday morning with Pete and Martin Watching here from Southern Oklahoma and it has been storming with rain, thunder and lightning and today with high winds have a great day and a great show 😊😊 🎤🎸🎸🎹🥁
I'm with Pete -- Low Budget is my favorite Kinks album too. It's smack in the middle of their great five-album run that began with 1977's Sleepwalker and ends with 1983's State of Confusion. I have had many discussions with a rock-star friend of mine who argues that The Kinks' great stuff is their work from the late '60s into the mid-'70s, when they were doing a lot of complex, experimental, theatrical material. But as Pete says, I like what I like, and what I like is '77-'83 Kinks, of which Low Budget is a shining example.
I do believe the "slick" version of Chicago was also adventurous and complex, yet in a way that was just the right amount of modern sensibility. But yes...in retrospect, the first few albums still hold up. Those sound "of a time." I'd also say that if you prefer any YES album after Going For The One, you aren't a real YES fan.
This conversation is pointless, and can NEVER have a resolution or an absolute fact. Which, BTW, is a reason I LOVE this channel, and LOVE these rabbit hole videos with Pete and Martin. We are(all) determining what makes a REAL fan...I freakin love it. Nice. Nice. VERY nice!
Great choice selecting Damnation by Opeth. It followed Opeth's heaviest period, so it definitely caught some people by surprise. One correction though, Damnation was released 5 months after Deliverance in April 2003.
I've noticed that there are many times that the 1st album by a band may be my favorite. My thought is that it took more time and effort and needed to be great. If successful, the record company probably pushed the band to repeat. That's why there's such a thing called the "sophomore slump".
But sometimes the first album is a dud and the second is a vast improvement. Judas Priest and Van Morrison come to mind. Bands don't always find the optimal sound on the first try.
Great show as always guys!! Like someone said below, drama is also one of my favorite yes albums but I love all the early stuff, however lots of things were going on in my life at that time (19 yrs old) so the album really resonated with me at that time and has stuck with me through the years, so I imagine personal experiences can have a lot to do with your likes/dislikes even though you love the band
My second favourite Yes album is 'Drama' (after 'The Yes Album'). And I like Trevor Rabin just as much as Steve Howe. So guess I'm not a hardcore Yes fan, though I own 9 albums? Great video and discussion, really has me thinking...!
I got into Yes because of Trevor (GREAT Guitar player and singer) and the rest of the “YesWest” lineup. It made me go and buy most of the stuff from the 70’s and I love most of that.
I haven’t seen mention of Aerosmith. My sister-in-law loves Steven Tyler and the whole “Pump” and “Get a Grip” era, but never heard of “Toys In The Attic” or “Draw The Line.” Even now, she makes a face when I play those songs.
An example of a true fan is someone who loves a band even when they put out a fan splitting album and they still buy it and give it a chance, obvious examples being Queen - Hot Space Kiss - The Elder Judas Priest - Nostradamus.
Popoff and Pardo are at it again and what an interesting topic. As someone who keeps listening to Opeth trying to expand my listening but only owns Damnation at this time- guilty as charged, Pete. An interesting and fun discussion which helped make the day better. An artist who falls into this is Todd Rundgren - either solo or in the band Utopia - as there are so many styles and types of music he makes and depending on what you like, you might not be a Todd Rundgren fan using the criteria here. It's typically has bee the albums of his that are not favorites that another Todd fan will question. Thanks again, gents. There ya go!
It's not no1 but its high on my list, but I like those 80's albums that most people have a downer on, ps I don't hate myself but thanks for your concern.
I like melodic, catchy hard rock music so this is me with so many bands. When I saw the Celtic Frost video for Cherry Orchards on MTV back in the day, I was like “ this song is awesome “ and bought the album. Still like Cold Lake but nothing else by them. Also Load and Reload are unapologetically my favorite Metallica albums, although I do like songs of theirs from other albums also. Youthenasia is my favorite Megadeth album. Trash is the only Alice Cooper album I really enjoy, which I think is a better example than Martin’s. I also really only enjoy the debut Rush album from top to bottom. No, I swear I’m not trolling here. 😂🤣
For many years Motörhead’s Another Perfect Day was the only Motorhead album I owned but I dug them from the first time I heard Ace of Spades. I was just so into Maiden, Judas Priest and the first 2 Ronnie James Dio’s Sabbath albums I did not buy the first 4 Motorhead albums until I had bought APD and then the 2nd Motorhead album I bought was Iron Fist which is my favorite Motorhead album. I know it is crazy but that is how it happens for me.
No, it's not crazy. Everyone has different tastes in music. I'm a big Motörhead fan but my favorite Motörhead records are not the first 4-5 albums. If I had to do a top 3 I think I would go with Rock n Roll, 1916 and Sacrifice.
Mine too! Nothing against Bruce but Killers is just their best album start to finish(no bad songs) plus I like how dark it sounds. Their first 5 albums were all great. Somewhere in Time was good but started a downslide IMO but they are still putting out some good stuff.
Have you listened to the Clockwork Angels album? You’d probably enjoy it if you like their debut album. It has some real heaviness to it. Headlong Flight might be their hardest rocking song!
I got tagged along to a Europe gig in the 90s thinking they were 'glammy' pop rock and got a big surpise - hard, heavy metal in biker leathers with no hair spray at all!!
In my opinion there are a few more that came to mind for me: -AC/DC: For those who came on board with Back in Black. I mean I am not shitting on that album because I like it and all, but those but those albums after Highway to Hell are not as good as the Bon years. -Metallica: Black Album. This one I am guilty of. However, it opened the door for me to go back years later for the albums before it, and now the Black Album is like my fifth or sixth favorite. -The Cars: Heartbeat City. Guilty on this one too. Lots of radio hits on here, but pales in comparison to the first two albums. -Dire Straits: Brothers in Arms. Same as the Cars pick, except I got my intro to them with the live Alchemy album. -Judas Priest: British Steel. Not denying the greatness of this album because it has some of my favorites but I like the earlier ones a bit more. -ZZ Top: Eliminator. Again, not a bad album. Many people got into the band with this albums and the videos that came with it, but albums like “Tres Hombres” “Deguello” before it and ones after like “Rythmeen” I prefer. Great show as usual! 🤟😎🤟
Martin's comment on the advance single effect or one song maybe coloring people's view on a whole album, when that song is a outlier. Worth exploring more I think.
Looks like "I'm that guy." The first Def Leppard album is my favorite.of theirs. High & Dry is a close second. Liked Pyromania at the time, but not so much now. Not a fan of anything after that. On Through The Night captured the sound/feel/spirit of the NWOBHM movement and is a classic!
Martin, I couldn't agree LESS! What you've done is eliminate the bands/artists that had long careers and grew/changed as their time period moved along. To wit, I present The Top Three (in no specific order): 1) Page formed Zeppelin purposefully with a mix of great musicianship and varied backgrounds/experience. He's noted for saying that "we could have done a Pentangle-type thing until I got Robert and heard Bonham". Also, Zeppelin's albums were statements of where they were at the moment. 2) The Fab Four. They went from Please Please Me to Abbey Road in six years. No agenda, just two of the best rock songwriters in history pushing each other and acting as b_______t detectors for each other. 3) Elton was the most versatile of all - started solo with backing musicians and a lyricist, then added a rhythm section, then added a guitarist, then put the word "Band" after his name while changing almost everybody and expanding with more musicians, then went solo with backing musicians again no ("Band"), changed lyricists, then changed everybody out again over time (with a couple of repeats, some coming and going and coming and going...) while going back to his original lyricist eventually while settling into a set of backing musicians. No one album or song from these artists/bands comes close to what they were "all about." The common threads are superb musicianship/songwriting and growing/changing.
I think there's a difference between "That's my fav album from that band but I love/ like the rest" and "That's my fav album from that band and that's all". If you take the first option then you're a fan of the band, if you take option #2, then you're a fan of the album. Strange conversation...strange kind of conservation I should say... Cheers.
@@franciskocher200 My assumption would be: Not everyone who likes Rainbow likes Slaves and Masters, but everyone (more or less) who prefers Slaves and Masters over other DP albums also prefers Rainbow. But I understand that's also a blanket statement...so, who knows?
I only listen to On Through the Night and High N Dry, and when a couple of folks have asked if I like Def Leppard, I answer “well, I like the first two albums.”
Hello from the UK 🇬🇧. Interesting show this and concept. I'm a massive Hawkwind fan and for me it's impossible to choose any album or track as my favourite. I must have 40 odd albums and I pick anyone and just listen to it. In my humble opinion they have never made bad album to me they're all great. 🤘🤘🤘
How nice! I don't listen to them, but I like your attitude. Great. I listen to 70s and 80s British bands. I'm a hardcore Jethro Tull fan. But I also like Genesis, Pink Floyd, Led Zepp etc..but I do not think all of their albums are good, or as good. Perhaps I should listen harder, or I should try Hawkwind...🙂 ( by the way, I will as I never have). Hello from Turkey. 🌍☮
Back in the olden days I had a friend who was as big a Hawkwind fan as you could find, I hated them! I couldn't understand how anybody could like Hawkwind. Flash forward about 30 years and I'm at work and had discovered that online music site called Slacker, it worked like Pandora but you could find any song you could even think of on Slacker. One day I decided to listen to Hawkwind because I had heard the song " Hurry On Sundown " and was actually surprised that it was Hawkwind that did that song. I listened to them all day long that day and have to admit I like most every thing they did now, Weird how your music tastes change over the years.
Martin doesn’t know what he’s talking about at all regarding VH1. That album is loaded with wild, spontaneous jams. The bass and drums are the busiest on that album and the solos are probably some of Ed’s wildest.
Martin prefaced a comment that it would make a good show. The comment was that a track that may be a bit different can sometimes make people believe that it indicative of the entire album though in fact it wasn't. I would agree that would be a great future episode.
This was a really nice discussion. Funny thing is that Van Halen's debut is my favourite of them and Women and Children First is in the second spot. And I now know I'm not a fan of Def Leppard apparently. But I love their first three albums.
Was introduced to Maiden with 7th Son and passed on them for years because of it. I was just more into early thrash metal, Sabbath and AC/DC. When I heard the first two albums with Di'anno it blew me away. I think the self titled and Killers are the best thing they ever done. They'd probably be one of my favorite bands if they kept Paul and made a few more albums in the same vein as the first two.
I adamantly agree about the debut. I'm not real big on Killers, but Adrian sounds impressive out of the starter gate. Many of the songs were written before their first album, like Purgatory and Wrathchild, and you can hear the unfortunate toll Paul's alcoholism was taking in the increasing incoherency of the vocals. He had a magnetism that Bruce lacks. It's not that Bruce isn't riveting; he is, but in a different way. Paul had a wild unpredictability about him that a small handful of uninhibited rock greats like Morrison, Lydon, and Axl exhibit. I don't think you would have loved him if he'd stuck around until Seventh Son and chances are he would have died, but he gave the world two exciting metal records at a time when the possibilities of the genre seemed endless.
@@mattwhite7995 I agree with about everything you said. Their debut is definitely my favorite between the two of them, which I find it kind of odd that it seems Killers gets more praise among the fans (so does the Bruce era so I guess it doesn't mean much) but their self-titled album absolutely crushes, song after song. Maybe it has the thinner production out of the two but with songwriting as good as that it doesn't matter to me. It's like a greatest hits album. No doubt Paul wouldn't have lasted up to 7th Son, I just wish they would've banged out a couple more with him and I'd be content. He most definitely had that something that I don't see or hear from Bruce. Paul was a lot more unique, from his appearance to his vocals. I just read an article a couple weeks ago talking about how James Hetfield and Billy Gibbons are huge fans of the Paul era and the only Maiden that they listen too. That's not the first time I've heard that coming from people in the scene.
@@perpetualmotion357 I wouldn't write off the Bruce era. There are some undeniably great classics there. I even think there are some good songs on Blaze's "The X Factor" that take Maiden in a darker direction than they've been on since Killers. Aftermath and Fortunes of War seem much more legit as social commentary than, say, Fear Is the Key. As someone whose favorite metal album is the debut, I will say Bruce doing Paul's stuff is not what I want to hear. I thought Running Free was one of the worst songs I'd ever heard because I was introduced to it via Live After Death. But with Paul, Clive, and Dennis, it's another story. Now it's one of my ten favorites, along with three other tracks on the same album. Pretty cool that Billy Gibbons loves that stuff! As far as production goes: A. That vinyl costs an arm and a leg. I own a CD reissue and B. When did we decide that we all need Brian Eno's ears to love music? Who cares if the production is great? I don't need my Sex Pistols to sound like Moby.
One more thing I would like to add is David Bowie, some people love the hits but my love for Bowie is the early releases, same applies to Peter Gabriel when most of my friends love his pop hits and claim to have him as their favorite artist but never realized he sang for Genesis.
This is a highly interesting discussion, but personally I don´t think that it´s important at all if I´m a true fan of a certain band or if I´m not. I like what I like.
I remember we used take our cars out into the woods and party all night with great tunes I rember Child in TIME playing and I just gazed into the night skies it was Magic I wish I could go back to those days
I like the Dio era of Sabbath and the Coverdale era of Deep Purple more than the more famous eras. I've been told I'm not a real fan of either band. Usually by people who are only into the hits of both bands. I consider myself more of a fan, simply because I've listened so much to both that I'm burnt out on the popular eras; possibly for life....
Stormbringer is a fantastic Purple album! I think that if Dio era Sabbath had made 2 or 3 more albums of the same calibre off the back of HaH and MR, there would be a very good case, even though the Ozzy era is obviously great too, for that era to be the definitive one of the band. But don't worry if people don't like your opinions on this and stick to your guns!
Another example, at least for me, is the band Rush. My favorite albums are their first two; Rush (self-titled) and Fly By Night. These albums are drastically different from their big album sellers to come later. That being said, there is not a Rush album I dislike. In this case, I guess I'm a fan of the band but have odd (at least in most people's view) favorite choices. The albums I love are so great I can't help but also love the band and their other albums.
I agree. I'm like that on multiple bands. Bands evolve and if a person likes a particular "sound" that influences the album choice. Also many artists change their sound every album.
I feel the same about the first two albums, but after that I lose interest in Rush, but I really like the first two, my favorite Rush songs ever is from 2112, the song called ' Lessons' I love that freakin' song.
I guess it's so, my fav too so with Mutt they simply changed musically so much they perfected it with Pyromania a style they've been copying ever since, in many ways that third album was a brilliant one-off (stroke of luck?) where the musical approach clicked and ticked all boxed, everything coming after it were (even more) overproduced imitations...
There are very few bands where I like a majority or all of their catalog so I guess I don’t care whether someone defines me as a fan or non-fan, I like what I like and for a lot of groups that’s half or less than half of their music. I mean a lot of bands are only good for only a couple of albums, but it’s all subjective anyway and I’m way to picky to go all the way into a band that has stayed beyond the limit of having anything more to say, but again it’s just what you like and there are exceptions. Using your definitions, I guess you could say I’m more a fan of albums rather than bands in most cases.
On the song front the first thing I saw The Strawbs do was Part of the Union, a political singalong that your Mum and Dad liked. The next thing I saw them do was Lay Down and I was, oh ...
My favorite Rush album is the 1st one but many a person think it isn't Rush, because Neil wasn't in the band yet or it wasn't full on prog yet. I love all the 70's and 80's albums, even the newer stuff is pretty good. I just love that first one the most but I am a fan of the " REAL " Rush. Great show guys!
Some of the artists/Bands where I like anything they released is David Bowie, SKOLD or where certain persons is involved ; Chris Goss, Martin Gore, John Paul Jones, Alain Johannes, Josh Homme, Alan Wilder, Midge Ure, Bozzio etc
I am guilty when it comes to Chicago my favorite songs comes from the albums 16,17,18.19 but I do like some of the songs from the albums that come before them.
Maybe people just love the songs on these albums more than others? Another Perfect Day was the 2nd Motorhead album I ever heard. Full of killer songs: Dancing on your Grave, One Track Mind and Shine, to name a few. If you only like Kiss with Bob Ezrin, then you should also like The Elder.
Here in the UK Whitesnake 1987. Not an album for the purists. Sorry Pete but the early stuff is what they were about. Born in the USA . Just because it was so huge. Everyone jumped on the bandwagon with that one then jumped off when Tunnel of Love came out. Agree with Europe, there early stuff is so much better
IMHO King Crimson is Robert Fripp. Whichever direction Fripp wanted to go King Crimson followed. So is King Crimson unlike Peter Gabriel in not so much an actual band but Fripp’s projects?
i'm a music fan, not so much a band fan. If the music is good, I like it. If it sucks, it sucks. Bands will break your heart if you invest your all into a band and like every album they release no matter if it sucks or not. Kiss is my ultimate example. Their last great album IMHO is Rock and Roll Over. Everything after that except maybe is Creatures of the Night...is trash. I moved on to Iron Maiden as my "favorite band", they also broke my heart when they released Powerslave, because I thought it was bloated, too long and my heart...broken again. Bands will always break your heart. Listen to the music and damn the band name. If it's good, it's good, if it sucks, it sucks. Lesson learned.
@@alternativepreacher4516 Thats the key word.."almost". No band, not even the (imho) Beatles are not perfect. Even they released pure crap. I love that music is subjective and never objective. You have your personal taste and I will have mine, doesn't make me right, just opinionated. I think that Blackwater Park is near perfection, doesn't make me right..but damn close. Even Opeth broke my heart with their last 4 releases. I hated all of them. But from Orchid to Watershed, to me it was near perfection. I guess that make's me an Opeth fan... Or not.
If Queen's debut and Queen II constantly flip flop between being your favourite and second favourite Queen album then you're probably not a fan of the pop-metal-karaoke-music-hall-genre-hopping-cabaret act that they became for most of their career.
I favor the first three albums but still a fan of later stuff as well. The News of the World album cover scared me as a kid in the seventies. Just like Stewie on that Family Guy episode! Maybe a common experience 😅
@@Rockerlady I do love lots of individual tracks from later albums, but find their albums as a whole a bit meh. As a prog fan The Prophet's Song and Innuendo are particular faves. I was 20 when New of the World came out so would have been a bit of a wuss if it had scared me! Never gotten around to Family Guy.
You misunderstood what I said. I said I like all those early Kinks albums, but they aren’t my favorites, so perhaps I don’t truly get the Kinks like those who have been listening to them from the early days.
I don't think Pete ever believed you have to like an entire discography to be a fan. What band would have any? If he said that, it's something his actions have contradicted 1000 times over. It would be ridiculous to say he isn't a Sabbath fan, despite that he admits to not liking arguably their most quintessential song.
You have to like Farmer's Daughter if you're a true fan, and I am, because it shows the versatility in their skill. It's not the best musically, but it's good comedy, instead of tosses pebbles, you're throwing a brick! 😮😂
If "Slaves and Masters" is your favorite Deep Purple album, you are a Rainbow fan.
A Deep Rainbow fan hoping that one day Ian Gillan will leave Deep Purple and Joe Lynn Turner will join them again.
100 percent. It feels like the fourth Joe Lynn Turner Rainbow album.
@@atmaweapon2803 Exactly.
thats really funny
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I think the reason why the first Van Halen album is regarded so highly is because this was something we haven't heard before, it was something new and a guitar player that didn't sound like any body else.
Agreed ! The 1st album hit so many people right away that as a fan you can enjoy but still enjoy the way the band progressed. My favorite is "Fair Warning" but that first record was so great & still holds up.
yeah the memory of hearing VH1 when it first came out is what makes it my favorite
it gets everything right,production is spot on,it comes flying out of the speakers,and the sub atomic guitar sound,and the band sound,fresh,hungry and ready to kill
Maybe its because it IS their best album. In my opinion the never topped it. And by the way, I’m NOT a Van Halen fan. To prove the point.
@@JoeDibiase386 I agree. I'm not a huge VH fan either but I think it's their best one.
Child In Time is a masterpiece.
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the original track from In Rock. The re-make not so much.
So does this mean your not a fan of Deep Purple??
@@phillipanderson7398 a re-make?
@@franciskocher200 The Ian Gillan Band re-made Child In Time in 1976. It was also the title of their first album.
The first album that comes to my mind in this discussion is Metallica's Black Album. That album changed a lot in the Metal community back in the day. Up until that point Metallica were the heroes for almost every metalhead. Nothing they did was questioned whatsoever. Even when they produced this huge and expensive video for the rather unusual "One", every fan could relate to that. But in 1991 things started to turn. The self titled fifth album split the fanbase like no other in the history of heavy metal. The one half worshiped that record the other half hated every single second. It became this huge discussion about sell out and becoming mainstream as a true metal band. Everybody had a Metallica shirt all of a sudden, radio stations played Nothing else matters and The Unforgiven in a loop, even at live shows you would see people that had absolutely no business at a metal concert and the whole world seemed to have become fans of Metallica over night.
So i guess it's a fair question to someone who finds the black album to be his favorite, if he is a "real" fan of the band or just jumped on the hype train in '91.
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I've always though that people who have 'Trash' as their favourite Alice album, don't really like the essence of Alice Cooper.
I would think it's 'Flush the Fashion', his punk-style album. It's my favorite, but I like several of his other 70s albums.
I agree. I could even argue that those who say "Constrictor" or "Raise Yer Fist And Yell" are their favorites might not be Alice fans. In the sense of they are definitely more straight forward but far less imaginative. When the great thing about Alice is precisely the uniqueness of the whole concept. Nobody sounds like Alice Cooper. And I think the albums we're talking about could have been recorded by any other artist and it wouldn't make much difference.
@@joniturbe7535 that's a good point. other bands could have done these, and they still would have been pretty good
@Alexander Caviedes
The point for me is that while "Flush The Flashion" (or the whole so-called blackout era) may be so different from the rest of the catalog, Alice was still dangerous, puzzling and unique. I think almost all real Alice Cooper fans love these four albums.
@@joniturbe7535 I am a bit younger, growing up in the 70s, so I may not have an accurate picture of how huge he was back in the day. He was probably considered such a mainstream big-time star that most punk fans would not have gravitated toward his albums, even if the music was to their liking. But, I agree, always dangerous, puzzling and unique!
I can speak to the Grateful Dead thing. Many of my friends got into them in the 80’s, probably because we’re in that age cohort. But it still blows me away how myopic many’s perspective is today, 30 years later. I was not a huge dead head in the 80s and got into them because I joined a tribute band (handling the Bob role). I was absolutely blown away by their earlier to mid 70s stuff as well as the contributions from a character named Pigpen, who I classify into the Blind Owl Wilson and/or John Fahey school of blues knowledge. I dig later stuff, but I do not drift to late 80s/early 90s when I listen. First of all, the keyboard sound is very “80s” and Bob’s guitar can barely be heard. Jerry’s once beautiful voice gets quite weak as well.
I’m reminded of how my age group considers the Beatles as well. It’s all post Revolver or so with very little consideration for the great stuff they did before. I admit, the later stuff is maybe more contemporary to our ears, but it shouldn’t cancel out the pre-66 stuff.
Same. I played keyboards in a GD tributes for a few years, more like Keith than anyone else. It took me decades to warm up to the 80s, and I still can't do beyond 1990. And early Beatles is almost a different band, a real powerhouse.
Full disclosure: saw the Dead over 120 ×.... thiers " Deadheads" today that have Never Seen Jerry... I Love that.. The " Dead " is still my most Listened to Band.. Timeless & Classic.
Albums:
Roxy Music : Avalon
Kiss : Dinasty
BOC: Fire of unknown origin
David Bowie: let’s dance
Fleetwood Mac: rumors
Frank Zappa : joe’s garage
Songs:
Van Halen : jump
Extreme: more than words
Kansas: dust in the wind
Not a bad song or album among the ones you've listed (except maybe Dynasty, but I don't like Kiss to begin with).
Damn, bro...
Rumours?!?😳
Tough crowd.
My first and only BOC album I own... :) I REALLY hate "Jump", Most of Joe's Garage is great and so is - "You are What You Is"
Pete!....love Journey's debut AND Look into the Future and Next are solid too! I go back to those 3 more than Infinity - Escape, although Infinity is a classic. Big fan of Ansley Dunbar's and absolutely love Gregg Rolie's vocals, so guess that's why I gravitate to the first 3...so many of my friends dismiss them without giving them a chance. I will say that I like the Perry and Steve Smith era too up through Escape, just love the vibe and prog style of the first 3.
Those albums were really good. Definitely underrated, prefer them to the later stuff for sure.
@@grumqa Same here.
Love these discussions guys, thanks. I sometimes think that 'Secret Messages' is my favourite ELO album.
I can see that. That ELO album was their MTV album to me. It was the very first ELO album I bought. It wasn't until I listened to others that I decided ELO had better albums. It was my full introduction to them making "Secret Messages" my favorite.
I like "Time" and "Discovery" so much that I feel guilty for liking them :)
@@AverageJoeDoh Out of the Blue was my first album of any kind where I liked EVERY song. I played Time incessantly on the bus in high school (mid-80s). I like Secret Messages but no where near the others. And I love several of the deep cuts like "Julie Don't Live Here" and "Latitude 88 North"...
Armchair Theater is pretty good as well but I would consider Balance of Power to be better than Sceret Messages.
Great show Pete and Martin. Fun show today.
A Canadian example of sounding like where they're from is The Tragically Hip. A huge band here in Canada, still played on the radio all the time and everybody here loves them but most of the world don't know who they are.
The Hip are Canada's biggest in Canada only band of all time. The Band, Rush, The Guess Who, BTO, April Wine, Bryan Adams etc. are all bigger globally but the Hip sold out coast to coast when they toured here as if they were on the same level.
@@zingpulse4138 For sure.
Queen II comes to mind for me….another great discussion lads! You guys even do a great job at the weather forecast! Keep up the great work!
Good example, I really like Queen II and don't really like any other Queen.
@@russw3736 …I’m a big Queen fan but I certainly understand if you like Queen II or Queen I that you wouldn’t like the rest of their catalogue….those records are more rockers and much less eclectic….I enjoy all their music….enjoy your day!
My mom knows I like Yes a lot and she seems to like them a decent amount. I was buying some CDs like Relayer and The Yes Album and she asked me why I wasn't getting "the one with the numbers". Really makes you realize how huge of a difference in sound those eras are and how the people that found them with 90125 often have no clue about the 70s stuff. I played her a bit Sound Chaser and she wasn't very fond of it, granted I had no clue what was happening when I first heard it as well. She's a very casual fan of the 80s stuff and I don't want to end up "ruining" that by talking down on that stuff even if I don't think it even compares to the earlier stuff or represents what Yes is really about
I love Yes too, but only the Jon Anderson era. That band is Yes for me...
I am surprised that Pete didn't mention the band Whitesnake. There are basically two different eras of Whitesnake. The very bluesy era from the late 70's through the early 80's, and the Hard Rock/ Glam metal era that started in the late 80's. My favorite Whitesnake album is the 1987 self titled album, but I also love albums like Trouble,Ready An Willin, Saints And Sinners, and Love Hunter alot which is from their Bluesy era. There are some Whitesnake fans that most likely never listened to their Bluesy era because it was never popular in America. It is very different than their Hard Rock/Glam Metal era , but just as amazing in my opinion.
Good day Pete and Martin - interesting topic today! Thanks for the show.
Yes Drama is a good example of Martins member argument. And it is my favorite Yes album
Man I can't believe what Martin said about Def Leppard. That was the first band I thought of when I saw this topic. I am truly THAT GUY who likes the first TWO and that's it. I can literally recall my senior year of high school when Pyromania came out I was really bummed. And you can only imagine my disgust at the ones after THAT. They went into the shit pile in my opinion after HIGH N DRY
High n Dry is by far the best but Pyromania is fantastic too. Jus skip the overplayed hits like Photograph and Rock of Ages and listen to the true gems like Coming Under Fire and Action not Words
Pyromania is okay but I never listen to it. I absolutely love the first two and if I have to choose my favorite is whichever one I’m listening to at the time.
Let It Go is my favorite Def Leppard song !!
Metallica has a pre-1991 audience, a post-1991 audience, fans who like everything and people who never cared for it. Despite the black album being released 32 years ago, many fans from the very beginning have still not been able to accept the style changes of the group, but still consider themselves real fans
You two should do a whole show on bands that didn’t breakout of their own territory, specifically US/U.K. bands that this applied to.
Another Friday morning with Pete and Martin
Watching here from Southern Oklahoma and
it has been storming with rain, thunder and
lightning and today with high winds have a
great day and a great show 😊😊
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I'm with Pete -- Low Budget is my favorite Kinks album too. It's smack in the middle of their great five-album run that began with 1977's Sleepwalker and ends with 1983's State of Confusion. I have had many discussions with a rock-star friend of mine who argues that The Kinks' great stuff is their work from the late '60s into the mid-'70s, when they were doing a lot of complex, experimental, theatrical material. But as Pete says, I like what I like, and what I like is '77-'83 Kinks, of which Low Budget is a shining example.
I do believe the "slick" version of Chicago was also adventurous and complex, yet in a way that was just the right amount of modern sensibility. But yes...in retrospect, the first few albums still hold up. Those sound "of a time." I'd also say that if you prefer any YES album after Going For The One, you aren't a real YES fan.
The Cars and Boston Debut are there Best.
This conversation is pointless, and can NEVER have a resolution or an absolute fact. Which, BTW, is a reason I LOVE this channel, and LOVE these rabbit hole videos with Pete and Martin.
We are(all) determining what makes a REAL fan...I freakin love it. Nice. Nice. VERY nice!
Great discussions, keep up the ytube. It does not go un-appreciated. Thanks Guys.
Precisionness, extraness... this channel is expanding my vocabulary 😁 Seriously, though, thanks for the entertaining discussion, gents.
Great choice selecting Damnation by Opeth. It followed Opeth's heaviest period, so it definitely caught some people by surprise. One correction though, Damnation was released 5 months after Deliverance in April 2003.
You like what you like, and don't like what you don't like, be it music, films or food.
Excellent show idea!! All in good fun.
April fools!😂
I've noticed that there are many times that the 1st album by a band may be my favorite. My thought is that it took more time and effort and needed to be great. If successful, the record company probably pushed the band to repeat. That's why there's such a thing called the "sophomore slump".
But sometimes the first album is a dud and the second is a vast improvement. Judas Priest and Van Morrison come to mind. Bands don't always find the optimal sound on the first try.
Great show as always guys!! Like someone said below, drama is also one of my favorite yes albums but I love all the early stuff, however lots of things were going on in my life at that time (19 yrs old) so the album really resonated with me at that time and has stuck with me through the years, so I imagine personal experiences can have a lot to do with your likes/dislikes even though you love the band
My second favourite Yes album is 'Drama' (after 'The Yes Album'). And I like Trevor Rabin just as much as Steve Howe. So guess I'm not a hardcore Yes fan, though I own 9 albums? Great video and discussion, really has me thinking...!
I got into Yes because of Trevor (GREAT Guitar player and singer) and the rest of the “YesWest” lineup. It made me go and buy most of the stuff from the 70’s and I love most of that.
I haven’t seen mention of Aerosmith.
My sister-in-law loves Steven Tyler and the whole “Pump” and “Get a Grip” era, but never heard of “Toys In The Attic” or “Draw The Line.”
Even now, she makes a face when I play those songs.
I'm a big Yes fan but God forbid I tell any one that I listen to 90125 and Big Generator ,more than I listen to Fragile or Close To The Edge.
An example of a true fan is someone who loves a band even when they put out a fan splitting album and they still buy it and give it a chance, obvious examples being
Queen - Hot Space
Kiss - The Elder
Judas Priest - Nostradamus.
Popoff and Pardo are at it again and what an interesting topic. As someone who keeps listening to Opeth trying to expand my listening but only owns Damnation at this time- guilty as charged, Pete. An interesting and fun discussion which helped make the day better. An artist who falls into this is Todd Rundgren - either solo or in the band Utopia - as there are so many styles and types of music he makes and depending on what you like, you might not be a Todd Rundgren fan using the criteria here. It's typically has bee the albums of his that are not favorites that another Todd fan will question. Thanks again, gents. There ya go!
If Hold Your Fire is your favorite Rush album you don't hate Rush, you hate yourself 😅
Thanks for the compliment.
It's not no1 but its high on my list, but I like those 80's albums that most people have a downer on, ps I don't hate myself but thanks for your concern.
It's my favorite not because it's their best but because it was released during a great time in my life.
@@1oriss It's not even too different from what they did before. It's not even part of the topic.
I feel pretty good about myself and my other favorite is Presto.
If Who Dunnit? is your favorite Genesis song, then your name is either Tony Banks or Phil Collins!
I like melodic, catchy hard rock music so this is me with so many bands. When I saw the Celtic Frost video for Cherry Orchards on MTV back in the day, I was like “ this song is awesome “ and bought the album. Still like Cold Lake but nothing else by them. Also Load and Reload are unapologetically my favorite Metallica albums, although I do like songs of theirs from other albums also. Youthenasia is my favorite Megadeth album. Trash is the only Alice Cooper album I really enjoy, which I think is a better example than Martin’s. I also really only enjoy the debut Rush album from top to bottom. No, I swear I’m not trolling here. 😂🤣
For many years Motörhead’s Another Perfect Day was the only Motorhead album I owned but I dug them from the first time I heard Ace of Spades. I was just so into Maiden, Judas Priest and the first 2 Ronnie James Dio’s Sabbath albums I did not buy the first 4 Motorhead albums until I had bought APD and then the 2nd Motorhead album I bought was Iron Fist which is my favorite Motorhead album. I know it is crazy but that is how it happens for me.
No, it's not crazy. Everyone has different tastes in music. I'm a big Motörhead fan but my favorite Motörhead records are not the first 4-5 albums. If I had to do a top 3 I think I would go with Rock n Roll, 1916 and Sacrifice.
Wait a minute pre April fools?
@@orlandomoshpit9718 Rock n Roll is the worst album but Just cuz you got the power is a great song (but it´s not on the album).
@@jimekberg Worst in your opinion. I don’t think Motorhead have a bad album, only albums that are better than other albums.
Killers was my favorite Iron Maiden album. Guilty, I guess
My favorite Iron Maiden is the first one
@@franciskocher200 ❤❤❤
Mine too! Nothing against Bruce but Killers is just their best album start to finish(no bad songs) plus I like how dark it sounds. Their first 5 albums were all great. Somewhere in Time was good but started a downslide IMO but they are still putting out some good stuff.
My favorite Rush album is their first one. It`s not because I don`t like Neil Peart, I just think it rocks harder than anything they did after it.
It's a great album. I think it has some of Alex's best guitar work. I do like 2112, Moving Pictures and Hemispheres better.
Have you listened to the Clockwork Angels album? You’d probably enjoy it if you like their debut album. It has some real heaviness to it. Headlong Flight might be their hardest rocking song!
I got tagged along to a Europe gig in the 90s thinking they were 'glammy' pop rock and got a big surpise - hard, heavy metal in biker leathers with no hair spray at all!!
True. They glammed up for the MTV video years. I remember hearing their early John Norum stuff thinking they radically changed.
Similar here, picked up a double cd best of and was very pleasantly surprised, Europe are a hard rocking band!
I can be a Black Sabbath fan and still say that "Mob Rules" is a great album.
My fav along with Vol. 4, the best of both worlds.
You better!
That's because Mob Rules is indeed a great album. All the Dio/BS albums are great, especially Heaven and Hell.
If Piper at the Gates of Dawn is your favorite Pink Floyd album are you a Pink Floyd fan or are you a Syd Barrett fan only?
Honestly, I consider myself a Pink Floyd fan, but only like the Dark side, wish you were here Animals and the Wall.
Great episode! A lot to digest. I am homework listening...
In my opinion there are a few more that came to mind for me:
-AC/DC: For those who came on board with Back in Black. I mean I am not shitting on that album because I like it and all, but those but those albums after Highway to Hell are not as good as the Bon years.
-Metallica: Black Album. This one I am guilty of. However, it opened the door for me to go back years later for the albums before it, and now the Black Album is like my fifth or sixth favorite.
-The Cars: Heartbeat City. Guilty on this one too. Lots of radio hits on here, but pales in comparison to the first two albums.
-Dire Straits: Brothers in Arms. Same as the Cars pick, except I got my intro to them with the live Alchemy album.
-Judas Priest: British Steel. Not denying the greatness of this album because it has some of my favorites but I like the earlier ones a bit more.
-ZZ Top: Eliminator. Again, not a bad album. Many people got into the band with this albums and the videos that came with it, but albums like “Tres Hombres” “Deguello” before it and ones after like “Rythmeen” I prefer.
Great show as usual! 🤟😎🤟
Martin's comment on the advance single effect or one song maybe coloring people's view on a whole album, when that song is a outlier. Worth exploring more I think.
I’m a big fan of Europe, I love Andorra!😀❤️
Looks like "I'm that guy." The first Def Leppard album is my favorite.of theirs. High & Dry is a close second. Liked Pyromania at the time, but not so much now. Not a fan of anything after that. On Through The Night captured the sound/feel/spirit of the NWOBHM movement and is a classic!
I count myself in the “ 1st 3 albums only” camp of Def Leppard fandom as well.
Martin, I couldn't agree LESS! What you've done is eliminate the bands/artists that had long careers and grew/changed as their time period moved along. To wit, I present The Top Three (in no specific order): 1) Page formed Zeppelin purposefully with a mix of great musicianship and varied backgrounds/experience. He's noted for saying that "we could have done a Pentangle-type thing until I got Robert and heard Bonham". Also, Zeppelin's albums were statements of where they were at the moment. 2) The Fab Four. They went from Please Please Me to Abbey Road in six years. No agenda, just two of the best rock songwriters in history pushing each other and acting as b_______t detectors for each other. 3) Elton was the most versatile of all - started solo with backing musicians and a lyricist, then added a rhythm section, then added a guitarist, then put the word "Band" after his name while changing almost everybody and expanding with more musicians, then went solo with backing musicians again no ("Band"), changed lyricists, then changed everybody out again over time (with a couple of repeats, some coming and going and coming and going...) while going back to his original lyricist eventually while settling into a set of backing musicians. No one album or song from these artists/bands comes close to what they were "all about." The common threads are superb musicianship/songwriting and growing/changing.
I think there's a difference between "That's my fav album from that band but I love/ like the rest" and "That's my fav album from that band and that's all". If you take the first option then you're a fan of the band, if you take option #2, then you're a fan of the album.
Strange conversation...strange kind of conservation I should say...
Cheers.
Is it just me that Martins camera angle makes him look a bit like Max Headroom from the 80s.
Word Of Mouth is a great later Kinks album and as an American, I too love the later Kinks.
I love that album. I'm a huge huge Kinks fan from all era's except for the pre Village Green Kinks. I. like that era but not in love with it.
Thanks. Great show. I send u guys a lot of love from Brazil.
If Slaves and Masters is your favorite Deep Purple album I'm going to assume you like 80s Rainbow more than Deep Purple.
I like Rainbow more than Deep Purple but i don't like Slaves And Masters
@@franciskocher200 My assumption would be: Not everyone who likes Rainbow likes Slaves and Masters, but everyone (more or less) who prefers Slaves and Masters over other DP albums also prefers Rainbow. But I understand that's also a blanket statement...so, who knows?
Not my favorite by Purple, but still solid. It is more of a Rainbow album, though.
Love the Earthless shirt. Now there's an ear melting rock band.
I only listen to On Through the Night and High N Dry, and when a couple of folks have asked if I like Def Leppard, I answer “well, I like the first two albums.”
Great pick, Pete, with Damnation by Opeth. That was immediately what sprang to my mind when I heard what today's topic would be.
Lol! Martin’s “drama” pronunciation…it’s purely Canadian. Don’t change it!
Nir-van-a
@@Chaz4543 Yes! And BOO-gie too!
Hello from the UK 🇬🇧. Interesting show this and concept. I'm a massive Hawkwind fan and for me it's impossible to choose any album or track as my favourite. I must have 40 odd albums and I pick anyone and just listen to it. In my humble opinion they have never made bad album to me they're all great. 🤘🤘🤘
How nice! I don't listen to them, but I like your attitude. Great. I listen to 70s and 80s British bands. I'm a hardcore Jethro Tull fan. But I also like Genesis, Pink Floyd, Led Zepp etc..but I do not think all of their albums are good, or as good. Perhaps I should listen harder, or I should try Hawkwind...🙂 ( by the way, I will as I never have). Hello from Turkey. 🌍☮
Back in the olden days I had a friend who was as big a Hawkwind fan as you could find, I hated them! I couldn't understand how anybody could like Hawkwind. Flash forward about 30 years and I'm at work and had discovered that online music site called Slacker, it worked like Pandora but you could find any song you could even think of on Slacker. One day I decided to listen to Hawkwind because I had heard the song " Hurry On Sundown " and was actually surprised that it was Hawkwind that did that song. I listened to them all day long that day and have to admit I like most every thing they did now, Weird how your music tastes change over the years.
My favorite Queensryche is The Warning
Mine too👍
I'm a massive queensryche fan and the warning is easily my most played record by them good call
My favorite metal album
Martin doesn’t know what he’s talking about at all regarding VH1. That album is loaded with wild, spontaneous jams. The bass and drums are the busiest on that album and the solos are probably some of Ed’s wildest.
Martin prefaced a comment that it would make a good show. The comment was that a track that may be a bit different can sometimes make people believe that it indicative of the entire album though in fact it wasn't. I would agree that would be a great future episode.
This was a really nice discussion. Funny thing is that Van Halen's debut is my favourite of them and Women and Children First is in the second spot.
And I now know I'm not a fan of Def Leppard apparently. But I love their first three albums.
Was introduced to Maiden with 7th Son and passed on them for years because of it. I was just more into early thrash metal, Sabbath and AC/DC. When I heard the first two albums with Di'anno it blew me away. I think the self titled and Killers are the best thing they ever done. They'd probably be one of my favorite bands if they kept Paul and made a few more albums in the same vein as the first two.
Paul's albums with Battlezone and Killers are really good too.
I adamantly agree about the debut. I'm not real big on Killers, but Adrian sounds impressive out of the starter gate. Many of the songs were written before their first album, like Purgatory and Wrathchild, and you can hear the unfortunate toll Paul's alcoholism was taking in the increasing incoherency of the vocals. He had a magnetism that Bruce lacks. It's not that Bruce isn't riveting; he is, but in a different way. Paul had a wild unpredictability about him that a small handful of uninhibited rock greats like Morrison, Lydon, and Axl exhibit. I don't think you would have loved him if he'd stuck around until Seventh Son and chances are he would have died, but he gave the world two exciting metal records at a time when the possibilities of the genre seemed endless.
@@mattwhite7995 I agree with about everything you said. Their debut is definitely my favorite between the two of them, which I find it kind of odd that it seems Killers gets more praise among the fans (so does the Bruce era so I guess it doesn't mean much) but their self-titled album absolutely crushes, song after song. Maybe it has the thinner production out of the two but with songwriting as good as that it doesn't matter to me. It's like a greatest hits album.
No doubt Paul wouldn't have lasted up to 7th Son, I just wish they would've banged out a couple more with him and I'd be content. He most definitely had that something that I don't see or hear from Bruce. Paul was a lot more unique, from his appearance to his vocals. I just read an article a couple weeks ago talking about how James Hetfield and Billy Gibbons are huge fans of the Paul era and the only Maiden that they listen too. That's not the first time I've heard that coming from people in the scene.
@@perpetualmotion357 I wouldn't write off the Bruce era. There are some undeniably great classics there. I even think there are some good songs on Blaze's "The X Factor" that take Maiden in a darker direction than they've been on since Killers. Aftermath and Fortunes of War seem much more legit as social commentary than, say, Fear Is the Key.
As someone whose favorite metal album is the debut, I will say Bruce doing Paul's stuff is not what I want to hear. I thought Running Free was one of the worst songs I'd ever heard because I was introduced to it via Live After Death. But with Paul, Clive, and Dennis, it's another story. Now it's one of my ten favorites, along with three other tracks on the same album. Pretty cool that Billy Gibbons loves that stuff!
As far as production goes: A. That vinyl costs an arm and a leg. I own a CD reissue and B. When did we decide that we all need Brian Eno's ears to love music? Who cares if the production is great? I don't need my Sex Pistols to sound like Moby.
One more thing I would like to add is David Bowie, some people love the hits but my love for Bowie is the early releases, same applies to Peter Gabriel when most of my friends love his pop hits and claim to have him as their favorite artist but never realized he sang for Genesis.
This is a highly interesting discussion, but personally I don´t think that it´s important at all if I´m a true fan of a certain band or if I´m not. I like what I like.
I remember we used take our cars out into the woods and party all night with great tunes I rember Child in TIME playing and I just gazed into the night skies it was Magic I wish I could go back to those days
I like the Dio era of Sabbath and the Coverdale era of Deep Purple more than the more famous eras. I've been told I'm not a real fan of either band. Usually by people who are only into the hits of both bands. I consider myself more of a fan, simply because I've listened so much to both that I'm burnt out on the popular eras; possibly for life....
Stormbringer is a fantastic Purple album! I think that if Dio era Sabbath had made 2 or 3 more albums of the same calibre off the back of HaH and MR, there would be a very good case, even though the Ozzy era is obviously great too, for that era to be the definitive one of the band. But don't worry if people don't like your opinions on this and stick to your guns!
Another example, at least for me, is the band Rush. My favorite albums are their first two; Rush (self-titled) and Fly By Night. These albums are drastically different from their big album sellers to come later. That being said, there is not a Rush album I dislike. In this case, I guess I'm a fan of the band but have odd (at least in most people's view) favorite choices. The albums I love are so great I can't help but also love the band and their other albums.
I agree. I'm like that on multiple bands. Bands evolve and if a person likes a particular "sound" that influences the album choice. Also many artists change their sound every album.
I feel the same about the first two albums, but after that I lose interest in Rush, but I really like the first two, my favorite Rush songs ever is from 2112, the song called ' Lessons' I love that freakin' song.
I'm sorry, I wrote that wrong I guess, I'm not very
keen on the first one but "Fly By Night" and "2112" are my favorites.
@@tubetea I fully understand... my introduction to Rush was 2112. I wasn't hooked initially but it grew on my.
I love Rush, my favorite band. My two favorites are albums that a lot of people hate, Hold Your Fire and Presto.
Great topic my pick is UFO II there last space rock love that album
Another great show
I love On Through the Night, and I am not a fan of Def Leppard. You are correct
I guess it's so, my fav too so with Mutt they simply changed musically so much they perfected it with Pyromania a style they've been copying ever since, in many ways that third album was a brilliant one-off (stroke of luck?) where the musical approach clicked and ticked all boxed, everything coming after it were (even more) overproduced imitations...
There are very few bands where I like a majority or all of their catalog so I guess I don’t care whether someone defines me as a fan or non-fan, I like what I like and for a lot of groups that’s half or less than half of their music. I mean a lot of bands are only good for only a couple of albums, but it’s all subjective anyway and I’m way to picky to go all the way into a band that has stayed beyond the limit of having anything more to say, but again it’s just what you like and there are exceptions. Using your definitions, I guess you could say I’m more a fan of albums rather than bands in most cases.
On the song front the first thing I saw The Strawbs do was Part of the Union, a political singalong that your Mum and Dad liked. The next thing I saw them do was Lay Down and I was, oh ...
The Black Album
Dio - Angry Machines and Magica (Love them)
Bad Brains - Rise
Dismember - Massive Killing Capacity
My favorite Rush album is the 1st one but many a person think it isn't Rush, because Neil wasn't in the band yet or it wasn't full on prog yet. I love all the 70's and 80's albums, even the newer stuff is pretty good. I just love that first one the most but I am a fan of the " REAL " Rush. Great show guys!
Damnation (2003) came after Deliverance (2002) even though they were recorded at the same time. Blackwater Park was released in 2001.
You can be a fan of a band no matter what album you like.
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True. But this exercise is interesting
Some of the artists/Bands where I like anything they released is David Bowie, SKOLD or where certain persons is involved ; Chris Goss, Martin Gore, John Paul Jones, Alain Johannes, Josh Homme, Alan Wilder, Midge Ure, Bozzio etc
I am guilty when it comes to Chicago my favorite songs comes from the albums 16,17,18.19 but I do like some of the songs from the albums that come before them.
Maybe people just love the songs on these albums more than others? Another Perfect Day was the 2nd Motorhead album I ever heard. Full of killer songs: Dancing on your Grave, One Track Mind and Shine, to name a few.
If you only like Kiss with Bob Ezrin, then you should also like The Elder.
Here in the UK Whitesnake 1987. Not an album for the purists. Sorry Pete but the early stuff is what they were about.
Born in the USA . Just because it was so huge. Everyone jumped on the bandwagon with that one then jumped off when Tunnel of Love came out.
Agree with Europe, there early stuff is so much better
great show,....very good discussion
Great topic. I guess I'm not a Boston fan as I've never liked much after the first album.
Great topic, great show!
IMHO King Crimson is Robert Fripp. Whichever direction Fripp wanted to go King Crimson followed. So is King Crimson unlike Peter Gabriel in not so much an actual band but Fripp’s projects?
i'm a music fan, not so much a band fan. If the music is good, I like it.
If it sucks, it sucks.
Bands will break your heart if you invest your all into a band and like every album they release no matter if it sucks or not.
Kiss is my ultimate example.
Their last great album IMHO is Rock and Roll Over.
Everything after that except maybe is Creatures of the Night...is trash.
I moved on to Iron Maiden as my "favorite band", they also broke my heart when they released Powerslave, because I thought it was bloated, too long and my heart...broken again.
Bands will always break your heart.
Listen to the music and damn the band name.
If it's good, it's good, if it sucks, it sucks.
Lesson learned.
But what if there is a band where you love almost everything they've done ?
@@alternativepreacher4516 Thats the key word.."almost". No band, not even the (imho) Beatles are not perfect. Even they released pure crap.
I love that music is subjective and never objective.
You have your personal taste and I will have mine, doesn't make me right, just opinionated.
I think that Blackwater Park is near perfection, doesn't make me right..but damn close.
Even Opeth broke my heart with their last 4 releases. I hated all of them.
But from Orchid to Watershed, to me it was near perfection.
I guess that make's me an Opeth fan...
Or not.
Great show guys as always.
If Queen's debut and Queen II constantly flip flop between being your favourite and second favourite Queen album then you're probably not a fan of the pop-metal-karaoke-music-hall-genre-hopping-cabaret act that they became for most of their career.
I favor the first three albums but still a fan of later stuff as well. The News of the World album cover scared me as a kid in the seventies. Just like Stewie on that Family Guy episode! Maybe a common experience 😅
@@Rockerlady I do love lots of individual tracks from later albums, but find their albums as a whole a bit meh. As a prog fan The Prophet's Song and Innuendo are particular faves. I was 20 when New of the World came out so would have been a bit of a wuss if it had scared me! Never gotten around to Family Guy.
Many people claim to be Metallica fans since they like Enter Sandman. 99% do not know another song from the band.
Pete: You have to accept all of a band's albums to be a fan
Pete (later): I don't get the Kinks early albums but I'm still a fan
You misunderstood what I said. I said I like all those early Kinks albums, but they aren’t my favorites, so perhaps I don’t truly get the Kinks like those who have been listening to them from the early days.
I don't think Pete ever believed you have to like an entire discography to be a fan. What band would have any? If he said that, it's something his actions have contradicted 1000 times over. It would be ridiculous to say he isn't a Sabbath fan, despite that he admits to not liking arguably their most quintessential song.
People who name The Razors Edge their favourite AC/DC album are NOT real fans.
You forgot about Chicago 19 Pete, that was a huge commercial hit as well.
I would love to hear you guys do a show on how you define a "fan".
I had a friend who had a near death experience, and he said they played "The Final Countdown," endlessly in Hell!!
You have to like Farmer's Daughter if you're a true fan, and I am, because it shows the versatility in their skill. It's not the best musically, but it's good comedy, instead of tosses pebbles, you're throwing a brick! 😮😂
If you say "Drastic Measures" by Kansas is your fave album by the band... you most likely have never heard nor own "Song for America"...