Corrections: 1) At 2:10 Simon says the NT1100 engine makes 100bhp at 9250rpm - this should, of course, be 101bhp at 7250rpm 2) At 15:19 Simon says Yamaha’s Tracer 9 GT makes 113bhp - this should, of course, be 117bhp 3) At 19:08 Simon says the Ninja SX is made by Honda - this should, of course, be a Kawasaki Ninja SX Apologies, it was a long day.
Great review, so much better than 95% of road testers. Clear, plain and unambiguous language. I can’t stand it when testers are sucked into the gimmicks or marketing guff. I actually got a feel for the bike based on the clear descriptions. Many thanks!
Hey Simon, shame they didn’t let you test the manual version with the optional quick shifter, I’d love to know how good that is, Unless you know?, Great review and ride safe.
So .. this video is now 2 years and 6 months old ..... and I just got myself a lightly used NT1100 (manual version with quick shifter) after always having ridden naked bikes for the last 20 years with my last one before the NT being a KTM 790 Duke. Pretty much everything Simon says about the bike in this video is spot on the money. I've only had it a couple of weeks and I'm finding it really enjoyable to ride ... comfy, smooth, awesome wind protection, loads of road presence, deceptively quick, handles quite well considering it's size and weight and even the stock exhaust sounds nice and meaty with some really deep bass when decelerating. Think I'm gonna have this bike a good while 😉
Have just ordered a gray DCT with voyage pack to Denmark delivered mid february.Very nice bike and I was more convinced after your great rewiev..thanks .
I’m not sure this is really comparable to the GSX1000GT, Tracer 9GT or the Z1000SX. Probably better to compare this to other things in the same class, like a fridge, a washing machine or a toaster.
@@c.g.c2067 what nonsense. People like complaining for no reason. Nobody spends their riding time endlessly fiddling with electronics. You find what works for you and that's that.
Great review and very well presented, thank you sir. Being and ex Pan European owner a bike which I loved other than the weight, this bike is definitely on my radar. Thanks again 👍🏍
Thank you, Simon, that was thorough given the time frame. Looks like a useful distance machine at sensible money. Honda just seem to get it right in this category. An enjoyable watch. All the best. 👊
Love your reviews, Simon: honest, real-world and balanced. Bikers moan that on-one makes a tourer with no 'gimmicks' or expensive technology. Well, Honda have and we are still moaning! For 'boring', read 'reliable and comfortable'. It will sell like hot cakes.
Thank you! Yes, they can't please everyone, etc. Reliable and comfortable is almost certainly is. And you know, it's a bike; how dull can it be? Pin it in every gear and it'll lose you your licence quickly enough! It's just not its default setting.
In italian, when you ride 'to the limit' we say 'tirare il collo', that is 'to pull the neck'. Anyway, on a unknow and wet road, you drive really really fast. Good job sir! And your report has lot of personal impressions (about handling) that not much reviewers, used to restrict themselves to press release contents, put in writing. The only spec this honda miss is the cardan transmission. For me essential for long rides. Thanks again.
Well, reading the other comments, I must be massively old, incredibly boring and like white goods because I think it's a great looking, practical tourer. Lighter and more manageable than the big dedicated touring bikes. Looks well comfortable, practical and, as it's a Honda, it will be well screwed together. Just what you want for relaxing distance. I'm only 5'7 so would definitely prefer this over adventure bikes.
I have the NC750X. One the face of it it's a dull bike. But it's practical. It's economical. It handles like a sports bike. It has a standard seating position. It has storage for your helmet built in. It's awesome
Beauty👏, impressed with Honda executives they're mixing western and japanese style of management. Car, motorcyle, aerospace and now they're investing in space technology 👍 kudos Honda management keep innovating
No, I wasn't ok with it. Left to decide for itself, it would change up mid corner when I didn't want it to (probably because it's not using a 6-axis IMU, etc). Nothing dangerous or jerky, just not how I want to ride. So I put it in manual mode and used the paddles most of the time. And wished I had a manual transmission bike. Honda are on a proper mission to convince the world DCT is amazing - and it *is* clever. But it's another Honda techno-gimmick to me, ultimately - in the same thinking as the old Hondamatic system on the CB400 Dream in 1978. It's a £1000 more expensive, it's 10kg more weight, it probably costs more in the end to service and maintain (I'm guessing), and it's less exciting than a manual gearbox. And, for me, it removes crucial elements I use to control a motorbike, like a clutch and engine braking.
Sure wish the NT1100 was available here in the US. I have AT set up as an adventure bike and off road. I have installed road tires on dedicated wheels. Have a 500x I use more and just purchased a new crf300l Rally. A CT 110 and CL 360 EMP. Great review.
Thanks for the informative review. I can't decide between this bike , The Tiger 900Gt Pro or a GS 1250 for riding two up.I Live in the Italian Alps and we are going to Nordkaap in June.Which would you chose? Thanks again for the great reviews.Regards,Simon.
Ah, riding through Norway! What an incredible experience - I did it in ten years ago and it was a dream ride. I'm very envious. But whatever you do, be VERY careful with the speed limits. Personally, I would take the GS for the two-up aspect of the ride - partly because the extra engine performance makes life with a passenger a bit less of a thrash - during overtakes, driving out of hairpins etc. But also because the bike is physically larger, and also because the BMW's suspension will deal with the extra weight better.
Agree with simon about the GS as i did Germany to Nordkaap in May some years ago on a Yamaha with chain drive and spent more time on the chain including a trip to a Norwegian bike mechanic at 11pm (still daylight,still working) than looking at scenery and Mooooooooses. Came home and bought an XJ900 diversion as the first of my 4 long term shafties. Even a Deauville was better than clean the chain ,adjust the chain, oil the chain, check the Scottoilers working,check wheel alignment. Chains make sense for sporty bikes but for a tourer Honda is just trying to get their profits up by sucking this AT engine and frame set up dry. Cant wait for them to stick it in a scooter and say its revolutionary🤔🏍️
Clips are indeed for a small Honda accessory tank bag (extra) which I took off because it was in the way and I don't like riding with a tank bag all that much. The controls aren't backlit. I didn't ride the bike at night - just in daylight. You get on it at around 9am, ride the test route, do the required photo stops, have a stop for coffee and lunch, and you're off the bike at around 4.30pm.
Modern xring chains and sprockets last for 35, 40k kilometers. And cost 100 euro if you replace them yourself. Less unsuspensioned weight, less loss of power. I am totaly fine with chain drive nowadays. What realy bothers me is that Honda has still not solved the problem with dynamo, regulator and wiring. That started with the cbr1000f in 1986.... No honda for me anymore.
No mention of the lowly vfr800 crossrunner… I bought one recently as wanted a comfortable, dependable but, with sporty charachter. I was not disappointed. V4 with v tech is a wonderful thing.
Great review and very appealing bike. Love the predictable, motorcycle world, willy waving comments regarding bhp figures. The fact most of them wouldn't know what to do with that level of power seems irrelevant.
All the bikes you mentioned are on my own list for 2022. They are all incredible, and seem to have very distinct personalities. The group test will be super valuable. Can't wait! Great review, thanks!
Adventure bike rebound, sport tour renaissance, retreat from technological overkill or . . . a decent motorcycle in the “you meet the nicest people” tradition? Regardless, works for me.
On the face of it, seems like a "boring" bike but I'm sure it's fun to ride and the combination of grunt and practicality will likely win a lot of people over! I like DCT but the quickshifter/autoblip option should work well and save 10Kg 👍
That's a really interesting comparison I hadn't thought of. My podcasting colleague (Front End Chatter's Martin Fitz-Gibbons) made the same point on a recent episode and I kinda dismissed it, saying the NT is closer to the Ninja SX... but the more I think about it, the more I think you (and he) is/was/are right - they have a lot in common. The NT11 is much more agile and generally feels less 'big' than the Versys. I've not back-to-backed them in terms of spec or price, but I've ridden the Versys - have you seen the *exhaustive* video on this channel vs a Tracer 9 GT, BMW F900 XR and Tiger 900 GT Pro? The Kawasaki is really in base spec Multistrada territory… longer travel suspension like an adventure bike, but no off-road pretence. But compared to the NT it's physically more massive (not by a huge amount tho) and to hustle, the Kawasaki is more of an effort (not by that much either). Boundaries are really blurred!
@@writestuffmedia Many thanks for replying. Watching the comparison video, even tho the Versys was kinda liked but all, it didnt really excite any of you.. I have test rode the Versys, loved the smooth engine. Im hoping the NT1100 engine wouldnt disappoint in 2 up touring, something the Versys would have no problem doing.
@@koromuri97 it's all in the context and comparison between bikes. The Kawasaki is faster and two-up, I think in terms of a passenger not affecting the performance, then the Versys will be more effective. When you get down to 100bhp, you can really tell when you go for an overtake and you've got a pillion...
Agree, NT1100 and Versys 1000 are competitors to be cross shopped. Seems Honda NT is the choice if DCT is high on your priority list. If manual then, Versys has the better electronic suspension, better 2-up touring and a bit heavier (likely considered an advantage for sport touring).
Thorough review Simon, only had 125 Hondas a cb and a pcx but never a big engined one but can see the appeal of dependability. Just looks bland to me and a bike needs to excite me when I open a garage door or pull back a cover. No doubt will be a big seller for them. Well done on using the similar Japanese brand competitors too 👍🏻
Thanks for the review. Looks quite nice actually but no match for my 17ES FJR which I think is a lot more bike for the money with its shaft drive, electronic screen and suspension.
So my understanding is because the NT lacks the AT's 6-axis IMU, the NT's DCT doesn't take cornering into account and therefore is less 'aware' of the bike's dynamics. In terms of smoothness, it's the same, I think - but it's less accurate in choosing the optimum circumstance to shift up and down. This is my understanding - I'll check it.
Thank you Mark! Very kind of you, appreciate the comment. I'm extremely lucky to have been around a long time, so there's a lot of history to fall back on; it helps give context, sometimes. But damn, there's a lot more to remember these days; more detail, more instant feedback and scrutiny, and a lot more bikes. That's great for all of us, but gives my shrinking number of brain cells more work to do 🤓
Not one word about comfort for a pillion and the pegs are bad for an older passenger to get on with. Then not one word about storage for helmets in the panniers or top box. Front fender needs an extender. I am surprised they have not tried a quiet, clean, longer lasting drive belt on these. 150 hp big Vtwins have no issues with them. That said, I hope we get them in the USA earlier than normal. My wife and I will test ride one... in white thank you.
No worries, you can ask me right here! Not that it helps much; didn't get the chance to ride with a pillion or try it myself - there rarely is on launches (it's a pretty full-on day tbh). Sorry about that. The top box will take two lids; the panniers will take some brands of helmet, but not all (again, we had a chance to find out you can't get an Arai RX7 in there, but it will take a Shark - hardly exhaustive, but the best we could do).
Great review Simon. Looks a great bike, reminds me of my old BMW R1150RT in terms of styling. I have a new Tracer 9gt that ( to me ) ticks all the boxes a 58 year old rider needs. Have changed the screen though to an MRA Aero, transformed it. Ironically, I bought it having read John's review as I had an S1000XR like John that I found ballistic but cumbersome to manoeuvre in my garage and blooming tall. Do like the idea of Android connectivity for mapping etc.
It needs an electric screen. I have the Deauville NT700 for commuting and it's pants trying to adjust the screen for the changing weather conditions on the move in city traffic. I'm not going to stand up, take two hands off the bars and try and pull the screen up while filtering (lane splitting)! It also looks like the screen mechanism from the Deauville. Could we retro-fit the Pan's electric screen I wonder.... The chain, not happy with as a commuter bike. But, the new chains now go about 30,000 miles before replacement, so, for me, a new chain and sprocket set every 18 months 🙁
I agree - again, probably a cost/packaging issue, but the screen adjustment is primitive and really only safe at standstill. Maybe that's for NT1100 V2.0 in 2024?
Going to test one of these next year. Nearly bought a Crossrunner a few years back but bought a Z 1000 SX instead. There is something lovely about Honda's, though they are a bit anodyne.
Yeh owned one. Now i also ride a 1000SX. I'm still waiting for Honda to get they head out of their A**, and start making nice bikes like good all days with blackbird, VFR, VTR lineups.
Came back a year later to say that I tested a Moto Guzzi V100, Aprilia Tuono v4 Factory, Aprilia Tuono 660, Kawasaki Ninja 1000 SX, Suzuki GSX-S1000 GT then the Honda NT 1100 and I bought the Honda.
Love your reviews Simon. Always bookmarked on top of my review lists. One question through - as you are comparing s much to the CRF - Suspension: I tried the NT1100 this week and I felt that the suspension was not very plush even compared to the old XRV750 RD07 (with Wilbers upgrade) I ride. Speed bumps/sleeping policemen are felt here as much as on most road bikes. I had hoped for more plushness given the 150 mm suspension travel. Other than that the bike felt great, and better if I can get used to the shorter distance to the footrests. I thought the engine was leaned more forward on the NT vs the CRF, but apparently not - so how would you assess the garage/parking lot handling of the two? No mention of pillion riding behavior seems like a miss on this bike? My jury is still out whether next bike is NT (wind protection) or CRF LD (suspension and seating position. I ride 90% road. Not sure if this comment makes sense this long time after your posting of the video.
Did not one journalist question why you need an optional comfort seat? What does that say about the standard one. Did no-one ask how they managed to put a much easier to adjust windscreen on the new ADV 350 but couldn’t manage it here? Don’t their internal development teams talk?
We do get a chance to talk to the project engineers, but there are lots of things to talk about - it's a lot of information to gather in one go! So I had conversations around engine spec, electronics spec, chassis dynamics, gearing changes etc - and I specifically asked if the comfort seat was the same height as the standard seat; the answer was 'yes' - to which I replied 'So it's the same as a standard seat only more comfy?' - and they said, simply 'yes' again. I moved on to another question; it didn't occur to me to ask why you need a comfort seat. Lots of manufacturers make them - basically, they add foam (which why I asked about seat height; many comfort seats are also taller!). So I assume the comfort seat is made from more premium material, and is more expensive as a result, and is therefore considered an 'upgrade' if you feel you want it; a bit like speccing a car with leather seats instead of fabric. I also asked about the lack of electric screen - the answer was 'not necessary' - which means it's probably about weight, cost (not just components but assembly etc) and packaging.
I have to say, it's nice to see your old lady mentioned on a modern bike review. VFR 800 Fi owner here. I think Honda was not going for the typical sport- touring bike here. My bike is more sporty than a tourer. More tucked seating position. Cruising at higher rpm. Redline at 12k. Not the best wind protection. I think maybe we should seperate the sport touring category into 2. The sport tourers that emphasize in sport riding and the ones emphasize in touring. In my opinion you can't compare the suzuki gsxs 1000 gt with the nt 1100. I don't see how these 2 bikes were made for the exact same purpose. You can't even compare a vfr with the nt.
Split into two, you mean touring and sport touring? This is something different again given the ground clearance is the about same as the pre-2021 NC750X which was classed as an adventure bike and still is even with the latest incarnation having been lowered by 30mm, so now we have an adventure bike which is lower than this sports tourer.
@@jimporter I did say that but i don't get how this is relevant to your comment. To be honest, I don't understand your point here. Are you saying that the NT is an adventure bike due to ground clearance? Plus. I said we should split the sport-touring category into 2 subcategories depending on their main purpose.
I am only 5 and a half minutes in and already I must say I like the extra graphics in the video, really. Apart from that I am not keen on the bike's looks - a bit boring I find it - nor on the rather prominent display. And now I'll go back to watching the rest of this video. Cheers PS: Did you really say Honda's Ninja SX? 🤣
I've read a mention that the DCT isn't quite the latest Africa Twin gen and so might not so refined - not so good at low speed and too eager to change up. Is that correct?
You're right - I think mechanically they're the same, but Honda *did* say the DCT on the NT can't use all the dynamic vehicle information the AT does to operate, because it's not got a 6-axis IMU. So at a software level of operation that's correct. And I certainly noticed in Sport and Drive auto modes it swaps gears too soon, sometimes mid-corner (which is where the AT doesn't because it 'knows' lean angle). So I spent most of my time in Manual mode using the paddles. I must admit I was maybe a bit too careful in the video about criticising DCT because I'm aware of my personal dislike for the system, and I didn't want to be accused by DCT fans of bashing it. I still find it astonishing Honda didn't have manual transmission bikes on the launch. I totally understand and respect that some people like DCT, and that's cool. And the engineering is very cool. But an extra grand and 10kgs for something makes the bike ultimately harder to control at walking pace, and makes me feel less secure when I'm filtering? Not for me, ta. Honda are crazy evangelical about the system though - you kind of get the feeling all down the hierarchy, from the top management in Japan down to Europe, then from there down to the sales guys in various countries, at every stage they're under orders to sell the crap out of DCT it & convince everyone it's the way forward. I remember when they were discounting DCT Africa Twins to bump the sales figures, but not discounting the same bike with manual transmission - which I always thought would give someone in Japan the wrong impression about how popular it is, or isn't. Anyway, I'm glad it exists, and glad I haven't got it on my VFR.
@@writestuffmedia Good at least that the difference is down to software - lack of as much useful info/data as there is on the AT - rather than offloading older versions of hardware or software. But then again lack of 6 axis imu by now shouldn't be a massive cost saving. And DCT is mainly about its sofware anyway. But so long as they keep providing decent full manual options in anything other than a scooter.
3:46 IMO, the only bad thing about this bike is the LCD screen under the TFT dash. Looks 1980’s- ish. And would have been nice if the drivetrain was shaft-driven.
I've had my 2020 ATAS for over a year now. Taken it on a few long distance road trips. I thought I would expand my horizons with it and start exploring offroad, but realized in the end, offroad really isn't for me. I love the bike but I think it would be wise to trade in all that offroad technology for more touring technology but still keep the same base bike. This is why the NT1100 would really appeal to me. A question I would have is, if you encounter long stretches of rough construction zones, or end up somewhere that you have to ride offroad or loose gravel/mud somewhere, how do you think the NT1100 would perform? Do you think I could put 50/50 tires on it? Thus having a capable street touring bike while still having good confidence offroad? Another question: Do you think this bike will be available in North America?
It's far, far removed from the AT in terms of off-road performance - I would say you could certainly paddle it over loose gravel in much the same way you could a Tracer or a naked bike. It doesn't have clip ons, and when you're trying to chase a road tyre on a 17in rim in the dirt, the least you need is flat bars! But in mud? Oooo... I wouldn't fancy your chances of staying upright! Not sure what dual purpose tyres you're thinking of in 120/70 17 - and I mean tyres with actual off-road ability, not just cosmetically fancy semi-block tread - but I wouldn't think it was worth it in terms of road feel and tyre life unless you habitually go looking for fire trails.
@@writestuffmedia Not sure what you mean by clips or flatbars, but in that size I think you can get Dunlop Trailmax Missions which are a 50/50 tire that still performs well on pavement. I know this because I'm riding on a set now.
I'm interested to ride one of these, the ST1100 has been my tourer/commuter for the last 6 years and I love it still, I hope the NT can be the replacement. I rode my friends AT a lot, I like it though it's too big for me, love the motor hopefully the NT delivers.
I saw this when it first came out and tried one at the dealers but the standard seat was wrong for me, I am short 5' 4" and I did not feel confident putting my foot down, three years later with a Rebel 1100 in the garage I tried one again but this time it had the comfort seat , much better so I pick it up next week . I will be touring Scotland with the NT using roads south of the great glen with camping gear and leaving from Reading so a mile muncher like this is perfect for the job my Rebel did do well 2500 miles last year with all my gear but it needs a rest.,
Another great review Simon, But if you were putting your own "hard earned" cash down on a brand new Daily Commuter/Sports Tourer (with clutch and manual gears) would it be the NT 1100 or the GSXS 1000GT?
Hmmm... personally, between the two... to spec the Suzuki to include heated grips and panniers, you'd be looking at another grand and a half and you still wouldn't have a centrestand or an adjustable screen, but you would have 150bhp instead of 100. So I think I'd have to say the Honda, for all-round-er-ness. More of a head thing than a heart thing, for that kind of role. Oh hang on, what am I saying? I'd take the Suzuki, fit Oxford heated grips, I already have a paddock stand, who cares about the screen, and if I really want panniers I'd go for Shad or Givi options - and anyway, I'd get a topbox first.
I'm just editing the new MS 950 S video right now! Um, I think the MS 950 is definitely more 'involving', for better or worse (some riders would prefer the way the Honda doesn't announce its character, some would prefer the more shouty Ducati - although Ducatis are a lot less shouty than they used to be, which is definitely a good thing imo). Not ridden the V2, soz. The MS is a couple of grand more than the Honda, too. But I think... ooooooohh... if I was choosing between the two, personally I'd go with the red bike, I think. But maybe if Honda got a bit more adventurous with the colours... why couldn't the make the NT in AT colours? It basically IS an Africa Twin, after all.
Does a full-face helmet fit the panniers? As a 7-year rider of Tracers, and owner of an AT-AS as second bike, I'm ready for some civility and comfort on the road. The Tracer is a hoot but I'm completely knackered at the end of the day, and always on hooligan mode, which isn't very healthy.
Good re view simon my self a vfr man both 750 and 1200 f only downside is lack of grunt to the other bikes in the same market been a honda it will be well built will have to c if honda will bring another vfr out love my vfr 1200f and my 2 750 models as well .
Yes, I agree they do a similar job... but if the V-Strom should be on it, so should the Africa Twin, perhaps? I dunno - magazine and website people (like me) love to pigeonhole bikes because it brings some sort of order to the manufacturers' model ranges - but we all know real people don't choose exclusively from categories like 'adventure bike' or 'naked bike' or 'sports tourer' - they're just convenient groups of bikes and real bike buyers simply decide between bikes they like. Could be a choice between a GS and a Fireblade, who knows? 😁 But we have to draw these arbitrary lines to demarcate between different styles of bike, and the V-Strom gets lumped in the adventure bike class alongside Africa Twins and Tiger 900s and the like, and not in the same class as the NT1100. Even though they do much the same thing and the price is about the same (although pretty sure a V-Strom would be better than an NT off road) 🤪
I've had 2 Cbf1000's which are a very capable, underrated 2 up touring bike and I'm looking forward to a test ride on one of these. Slightly concerned about the range on a tankful and hopefully the seat height will be ok for me as my Cbf is only 800mm.
I think the seat height will be fine - Honda's (non-DCT, ahem) are so well balanced at low speed it's like having a lower seat to start with! But yeah, the tank range is a question.
Not that we’re talking the same type of bike but I have on 04 vt1100 Honda. Love the bike but wish it had a bigger tank as well. 150 miles and I’m dead in the water. If I were looking at touring I would want something with some range. 200+ at least. I also prefer a shaft drive and manual clutch with water cooling which is what I have now. I’m sure it’s a nice bike but I’d pass due to the chain drive and AT.
Would have much preferred if they'd developed the CB1000R into this sports tourer rather than the Africa Twin. Very good standard equipment - includes a centre stand!!!! 🤯
I know what you mean, I like the 4 cyl bikes, but would it have sold? The world seems to be in thrall to the twin these days. Crossrunner and Crosstourer didn’t seem to sell well. A 4 cyl version of this would have been even better, but people like that twin thud.
I would have preferred it too. Sometimes - especially in the current economic climate and with a mature European and North America Market - it feels very much as if new models are informed by 95% whatever's most economically viable, 4.9% by 'market research' with 0.1% inspiration. I think Yamaha take a flying punt more often than most, and fail more (Niken) but also win more (CP2, CP3 and CP4 engines!). Kawasaki can be extraordinary when they try (H2 etc), and Suzuki do the best they can with what they've got, but it's a lot less than everyone else. Honda, by and large, are the most conservative - although they do stick their neck out in a very Honda way sometimes: whatever you think of the X-ADV, it's a) a pretty gutsy design and b) sells well. Honestly, having a centrestand as standard (as opposed to a few hundred quid for an accessory or, in the case of the Ninja SX and GSX-S GT, not at all) is a novelty.
Thank you. My remaining questions: 1) what is the topspeed, 2) how does the bike dive with the front brakes during hard braking? the African twins dive quite a lot, by there reputation I'm afraid. 3) how is this DCT handling please. my left hand fingers have become stiff and have lost too much grip on the clutch lever, this is forcing me very unfortunately to leave my beloved Triumph Bonneville. Therefore, I hope to find a compromise in the nx1100 DCT. but I just need to be able to upshift or downshift halfway through the strong and up and down tight corners in my country, and I fear this "automatic" system will take over my control in a negative way and fail me. Would you like to share your insight with me? ( Did you by coincidence came across usable crashbars )
I can't find a parts list for the NT - might not be online yet - but from a couple of technical launch images from the CRF launch and the NT launch, the actual linkage arms look identical. I can't tell bearing diameters obvs, but if I were to take a punt I'd say they certainly look the same.
Simon, thanks for taking the time to look. I guess it's early for that question. At 5'7 and a 29 inch inseam I think I would be better off with the bike lowered. If Honda has another media day perhaps you could ask about this. Thanks again for looking!
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Versys 1000. Seems like a direct competitor if you skip the electronics package. The NT is a sharp looking bike. Hopefully it makes it to Canada.
There really is no need for more performance. Unless you just want less fuel economy, and a more expensive bike. Styling will always be an issue for someone.
Nice and through review, why not "belt" ? I've been on chain-bikes for a long time but also had a belt drive for 4 years - did NOT touch it!! No grease everywhere, no adjusting (except for normal PM), and perfectly smooth and quiet all the time... Why more manufactures don't use it? cheers
Corrections:
1) At 2:10 Simon says the NT1100 engine makes 100bhp at 9250rpm - this should, of course, be 101bhp at 7250rpm
2) At 15:19 Simon says Yamaha’s Tracer 9 GT makes 113bhp - this should, of course, be 117bhp
3) At 19:08 Simon says the Ninja SX is made by Honda - this should, of course, be a Kawasaki Ninja SX
Apologies, it was a long day.
I noticed the "Honda" 1000SX but I think you'd have to be quite a saddo to get upset about it, or the other highlighted errors.
Simple Simon says then,,,
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Excellent, enjoyable and informative video nevertheless!
At 6:17, if the tank is 200 miles to reserve it’s probably not 150 to empty! And was it really only 41.5mpg as tested? If so that’s pretty poor.
Great review, so much better than 95% of road testers. Clear, plain and unambiguous language. I can’t stand it when testers are sucked into the gimmicks or marketing guff. I actually got a feel for the bike based on the clear descriptions. Many thanks!
That's very kind of you, thank you 🍻
Hey Simon, shame they didn’t let you test the manual version with the optional quick shifter, I’d love to know how good that is,
Unless you know?,
Great review and ride safe.
So .. this video is now 2 years and 6 months old ..... and I just got myself a lightly used NT1100 (manual version with quick shifter) after always having ridden naked bikes for the last 20 years with my last one before the NT being a KTM 790 Duke. Pretty much everything Simon says about the bike in this video is spot on the money. I've only had it a couple of weeks and I'm finding it really enjoyable to ride ... comfy, smooth, awesome wind protection, loads of road presence, deceptively quick, handles quite well considering it's size and weight and even the stock exhaust sounds nice and meaty with some really deep bass when decelerating. Think I'm gonna have this bike a good while 😉
Another great review Simon. Lovely motorcycle for anyone more concerned about enjoying the ride and scenery than performance.
Have just ordered a gray DCT with voyage pack to Denmark delivered mid february.Very nice bike and I was more convinced after your great rewiev..thanks
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I’m not sure this is really comparable to the GSX1000GT, Tracer 9GT or the Z1000SX. Probably better to compare this to other things in the same class, like a fridge, a washing machine or a toaster.
Not comparable because of its bhp?
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😂😂😂😂 You win the comments section today.
I had an ntv600 revere. Great bike. V twin and shaft drive. Nothing to go wrong.
The chain on this puts me off.
We spend more time learning and playing with new electronic gadgets and features than riding the actual motorcycle
Oh, I dunno, it's possible to do both at the same time 😉
@@writestuffmedia Think we are just loosing control on what real priorities are in favour of a religious obeisance to electronics
@@c.g.c2067 what nonsense. People like complaining for no reason. Nobody spends their riding time endlessly fiddling with electronics. You find what works for you and that's that.
Cool to put some 80s synthwave in the intro. Fits it perfectly.
Ah yes, thank you for noticing!
Great review and very well presented, thank you sir. Being and ex Pan European owner a bike which I loved other than the weight, this bike is definitely on my radar. Thanks again 👍🏍
I'm 60 and still feel too young for this bike.
Im70 and dito...
They have an even duller bike, the NC750X!
And to think, they used to say that about BMWs....
Absolutely 👏🏼👏🏼
Yep, still missing 2 cylinders in my opinion
Your reviews are entertaining and never boring
Thank you, Simon, that was thorough given the time frame. Looks like a useful distance machine at sensible money. Honda just seem to get it right in this category. An enjoyable watch. All the best. 👊
Love your reviews, Simon: honest, real-world and balanced. Bikers moan that on-one makes a tourer with no 'gimmicks' or expensive technology. Well, Honda have and we are still moaning! For 'boring', read 'reliable and comfortable'. It will sell like hot cakes.
Thank you! Yes, they can't please everyone, etc. Reliable and comfortable is almost certainly is.
And you know, it's a bike; how dull can it be? Pin it in every gear and it'll lose you your licence quickly enough! It's just not its default setting.
@@writestuffmedia A very good point, Simon.
In italian, when you ride 'to the limit' we say 'tirare il collo', that is 'to pull the neck'. Anyway, on a unknow and wet road, you drive really really fast. Good job sir! And your report has lot of personal impressions (about handling) that not much reviewers, used to restrict themselves to press release contents, put in writing. The only spec this honda miss is the cardan transmission. For me essential for long rides. Thanks again.
Well, reading the other comments, I must be massively old, incredibly boring and like white goods because I think it's a great looking, practical tourer. Lighter and more manageable than the big dedicated touring bikes. Looks well comfortable, practical and, as it's a Honda, it will be well screwed together. Just what you want for relaxing distance. I'm only 5'7 so would definitely prefer this over adventure bikes.
And add £1000?
If I hadn't just bought a GS, I'd be very interested.
I have the NC750X. One the face of it it's a dull bike. But it's practical. It's economical. It handles like a sports bike. It has a standard seating position. It has storage for your helmet built in. It's awesome
I'm not old, and I think it's absolutely elegantly gorgeous. Reminds me of those English country shire horses somehow. What a beauty!
@@alrightdave6135it's cheaper than almost every big adventure bike, actually than all of them.
Beauty👏, impressed with Honda executives they're mixing western and japanese style of management. Car, motorcyle, aerospace and now they're investing in space technology 👍 kudos Honda management keep innovating
My next bike 100%,thanks for the review!!!!
Had 98 vfr800 with similar specs and it was not boring at all
A unique review style that I thoroughly enjoy. Great review! Not on my radar but Honda certainly leveraging the proven Africa Twin platform.
Were you okay with the manners of the DCT in the twisties and hills, or do you think manual would be better?
No, I wasn't ok with it. Left to decide for itself, it would change up mid corner when I didn't want it to (probably because it's not using a 6-axis IMU, etc). Nothing dangerous or jerky, just not how I want to ride. So I put it in manual mode and used the paddles most of the time. And wished I had a manual transmission bike.
Honda are on a proper mission to convince the world DCT is amazing - and it *is* clever. But it's another Honda techno-gimmick to me, ultimately - in the same thinking as the old Hondamatic system on the CB400 Dream in 1978. It's a £1000 more expensive, it's 10kg more weight, it probably costs more in the end to service and maintain (I'm guessing), and it's less exciting than a manual gearbox. And, for me, it removes crucial elements I use to control a motorbike, like a clutch and engine braking.
Is the suspension travel better than most street bikes does it retain some african twin to it in the ability to soak up potholes?
This is a life saver when you need one the most!
Sure wish the NT1100 was available here in the US. I have AT set up as an adventure bike and off road. I have installed road tires on dedicated wheels. Have a 500x I use more and just purchased a new crf300l Rally. A CT 110 and CL 360 EMP. Great review.
Thanks for the informative review. I can't decide between this bike , The Tiger 900Gt Pro or a GS 1250 for riding two up.I Live in the Italian Alps and we are going to Nordkaap in June.Which would you chose? Thanks again for the great reviews.Regards,Simon.
Ah, riding through Norway! What an incredible experience - I did it in ten years ago and it was a dream ride. I'm very envious. But whatever you do, be VERY careful with the speed limits.
Personally, I would take the GS for the two-up aspect of the ride - partly because the extra engine performance makes life with a passenger a bit less of a thrash - during overtakes, driving out of hairpins etc. But also because the bike is physically larger, and also because the BMW's suspension will deal with the extra weight better.
@@writestuffmedia Thanks Simon for the reply. Advice taken and now its between the wife wanting the RT and me the GS. Rgds,Simon
Agree with simon about the GS as i did Germany to Nordkaap in May some years ago on a Yamaha with chain drive and spent more time on the chain including a trip to a Norwegian bike mechanic at 11pm (still daylight,still working) than looking at scenery and Mooooooooses. Came home and bought an XJ900 diversion as the first of my 4 long term shafties. Even a Deauville was better than clean the chain ,adjust the chain, oil the chain, check the Scottoilers working,check wheel alignment. Chains make sense for sporty bikes but for a tourer Honda is just trying to get their profits up by sucking this AT engine and frame set up dry. Cant wait for them to stick it in a scooter and say its revolutionary🤔🏍️
Thanks man,everything I need is this review.All information is there.Once again thanks!
Really good review - bright, chatty, fun. Keep going.
I want one. Currently have NC750X DCT. This will be a great upgrade
What I love the most about this bike is the great range of colours and the affordable price.
The africa twin would benefit from shaft drive as well.
What are the clips on the tank for is for a special tank bag? Are the controls backlit? what are the lights like?
Yes, with all those buttons on left side, backlit would be needed.
Clips are indeed for a small Honda accessory tank bag (extra) which I took off because it was in the way and I don't like riding with a tank bag all that much.
The controls aren't backlit.
I didn't ride the bike at night - just in daylight. You get on it at around 9am, ride the test route, do the required photo stops, have a stop for coffee and lunch, and you're off the bike at around 4.30pm.
It's a great bike for people looking for a reliable shaft drive bike, except it doesn't have one.
spot on !
V100
Modern xring chains and sprockets last for 35, 40k kilometers. And cost 100 euro if you replace them yourself.
Less unsuspensioned weight, less loss of power. I am totaly fine with chain drive nowadays.
What realy bothers me is that Honda has still not solved the problem with dynamo, regulator and wiring.
That started with the cbr1000f in 1986....
No honda for me anymore.
No mention of the lowly vfr800 crossrunner… I bought one recently as wanted a comfortable, dependable but, with sporty charachter. I was not disappointed. V4 with v tech is a wonderful thing.
Honda made so many great sporty tourers I couldn't fit them all in :-) Ridden them both, liked them both.
@@writestuffmedia sure.. I always liked your reviews on bike magazine 👍
Unsung, unappreciated cracking bike.
Excellent review. One of the most comprehensive i have seen on You Tube, for a long time. Thankyou.
Thanks for watching!
Great review and very appealing bike. Love the predictable, motorcycle world, willy waving comments regarding bhp figures. The fact most of them wouldn't know what to do with that level of power seems irrelevant.
All the bikes you mentioned are on my own list for 2022. They are all incredible, and seem to have very distinct personalities. The group test will be super valuable. Can't wait! Great review, thanks!
Adventure bike rebound, sport tour renaissance, retreat from technological overkill or . . . a decent motorcycle in the “you meet the nicest people” tradition? Regardless, works for me.
If you have to compare it with a Kawasaki versys 1000 which one do you choose?
On the face of it, seems like a "boring" bike but I'm sure it's fun to ride and the combination of grunt and practicality will likely win a lot of people over! I like DCT but the quickshifter/autoblip option should work well and save 10Kg 👍
Nice work, Simon. One of the best bike reviews I've seen. Thanks.
Im so torn between this NT1100 or the Versys 1000..... any preference?
That's a really interesting comparison I hadn't thought of. My podcasting colleague (Front End Chatter's Martin Fitz-Gibbons) made the same point on a recent episode and I kinda dismissed it, saying the NT is closer to the Ninja SX... but the more I think about it, the more I think you (and he) is/was/are right - they have a lot in common.
The NT11 is much more agile and generally feels less 'big' than the Versys. I've not back-to-backed them in terms of spec or price, but I've ridden the Versys - have you seen the *exhaustive* video on this channel vs a Tracer 9 GT, BMW F900 XR and Tiger 900 GT Pro? The Kawasaki is really in base spec Multistrada territory… longer travel suspension like an adventure bike, but no off-road pretence. But compared to the NT it's physically more massive (not by a huge amount tho) and to hustle, the Kawasaki is more of an effort (not by that much either). Boundaries are really blurred!
@@writestuffmedia Many thanks for replying. Watching the comparison video, even tho the Versys was kinda liked but all, it didnt really excite any of you.. I have test rode the Versys, loved the smooth engine. Im hoping the NT1100 engine wouldnt disappoint in 2 up touring, something the Versys would have no problem doing.
@@koromuri97 it's all in the context and comparison between bikes. The Kawasaki is faster and two-up, I think in terms of a passenger not affecting the performance, then the Versys will be more effective. When you get down to 100bhp, you can really tell when you go for an overtake and you've got a pillion...
Agree, NT1100 and Versys 1000 are competitors to be cross shopped. Seems Honda NT is the choice if DCT is high on your priority list. If manual then, Versys has the better electronic suspension, better 2-up touring and a bit heavier (likely considered an advantage for sport touring).
@@writestuffmedia Thankyou for that, its helped to make my mind up. Its going to be the Versys for me, appreciate your time, cheers
Excellent review. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Hoping it is soon here in the U.S. because I want one.
Thorough review Simon, only had 125 Hondas a cb and a pcx but never a big engined one but can see the appeal of dependability. Just looks bland to me and a bike needs to excite me when I open a garage door or pull back a cover. No doubt will be a big seller for them. Well done on using the similar Japanese brand competitors too 👍🏻
Looks alright but it's no V100 Mandello. Plus shaft drive is essential for touring duty
Versys 1000 or NT1100?
(I have a Versys 1000S) looking forward to testdrive the Honda.
Thanks for the review. Looks quite nice actually but no match for my 17ES FJR which I think is a lot more bike for the money with its shaft drive, electronic screen and suspension.
Great review! Is the DCT the same new "smoothed" version like in the current Africa Twin?
So my understanding is because the NT lacks the AT's 6-axis IMU, the NT's DCT doesn't take cornering into account and therefore is less 'aware' of the bike's dynamics. In terms of smoothness, it's the same, I think - but it's less accurate in choosing the optimum circumstance to shift up and down.
This is my understanding - I'll check it.
@@writestuffmedia ok, so DCT is the same but gets less input.
Is that huge cylindrical doovi on the right side where the headers join the catalytic converter? Right out there covered in mud?
Superb review, Simon. Your depth of knowledge, and experience shine through every time you review a bike.
Thank you Mark! Very kind of you, appreciate the comment. I'm extremely lucky to have been around a long time, so there's a lot of history to fall back on; it helps give context, sometimes. But damn, there's a lot more to remember these days; more detail, more instant feedback and scrutiny, and a lot more bikes. That's great for all of us, but gives my shrinking number of brain cells more work to do 🤓
Not one word about comfort for a pillion and the pegs are bad for an older passenger to get on with. Then not one word about storage for helmets in the panniers or top box. Front fender needs an extender. I am surprised they have not tried a quiet, clean, longer lasting drive belt on these. 150 hp big Vtwins have no issues with them. That said, I hope we get them in the USA earlier than normal. My wife and I will test ride one... in white thank you.
No worries, you can ask me right here! Not that it helps much; didn't get the chance to ride with a pillion or try it myself - there rarely is on launches (it's a pretty full-on day tbh). Sorry about that.
The top box will take two lids; the panniers will take some brands of helmet, but not all (again, we had a chance to find out you can't get an Arai RX7 in there, but it will take a Shark - hardly exhaustive, but the best we could do).
Great review Simon. Looks a great bike, reminds me of my old BMW R1150RT in terms of styling.
I have a new Tracer 9gt that ( to me ) ticks all the boxes a 58 year old rider needs. Have changed the screen though to an MRA Aero, transformed it. Ironically, I bought it having read John's review as I had an S1000XR like John that I found ballistic but cumbersome to manoeuvre in my garage and blooming tall.
Do like the idea of Android connectivity for mapping etc.
It needs an electric screen. I have the Deauville NT700 for commuting and it's pants trying to adjust the screen for the changing weather conditions on the move in city traffic. I'm not going to stand up, take two hands off the bars and try and pull the screen up while filtering (lane splitting)! It also looks like the screen mechanism from the Deauville. Could we retro-fit the Pan's electric screen I wonder....
The chain, not happy with as a commuter bike. But, the new chains now go about 30,000 miles before replacement, so, for me, a new chain and sprocket set every 18 months 🙁
I agree - again, probably a cost/packaging issue, but the screen adjustment is primitive and really only safe at standstill. Maybe that's for NT1100 V2.0 in 2024?
Can't wait for this to come to Thailand!
Not my kind of bike, but I do like your reviews, Simon.
How do you think this bike compares to Tracer 9 GT? Would you rather take the NT or the Tracer or a weekend sporty tour?
Will there be a USA version?
I didn't ask, but you'd think there will be.
How do you compare this bike to a Kawasaki Versys 1000 SE?
Going to test one of these next year. Nearly bought a Crossrunner a few years back but bought a Z 1000 SX instead. There is something lovely about Honda's, though they are a bit anodyne.
Yeh owned one. Now i also ride a 1000SX. I'm still waiting for Honda to get they head out of their A**, and start making nice bikes like good all days with blackbird, VFR, VTR lineups.
@@mathiashammar1
Those good old days are definitely over.
For Honda that is...
Came back a year later to say that I tested a Moto Guzzi V100, Aprilia Tuono v4 Factory, Aprilia Tuono 660, Kawasaki Ninja 1000 SX, Suzuki GSX-S1000 GT then the Honda NT 1100 and I bought the Honda.
How smooth is the engine... vibration etc
Parallel twin vibes - so rumbly but nothing distressing.
Love your reviews Simon. Always bookmarked on top of my review lists. One question through - as you are comparing s much to the CRF - Suspension: I tried the NT1100 this week and I felt that the suspension was not very plush even compared to the old XRV750 RD07 (with Wilbers upgrade) I ride. Speed bumps/sleeping policemen are felt here as much as on most road bikes. I had hoped for more plushness given the 150 mm suspension travel. Other than that the bike felt great, and better if I can get used to the shorter distance to the footrests. I thought the engine was leaned more forward on the NT vs the CRF, but apparently not - so how would you assess the garage/parking lot handling of the two? No mention of pillion riding behavior seems like a miss on this bike? My jury is still out whether next bike is NT (wind protection) or CRF LD (suspension and seating position. I ride 90% road. Not sure if this comment makes sense this long time after your posting of the video.
I would consider one if it had shaft drive.
Interesting, so chain not belt. A DCT option is available as well.
I wouldn't mind riding it. Buying it might be another subject all together.
Did not one journalist question why you need an optional comfort seat? What does that say about the standard one.
Did no-one ask how they managed to put a much easier to adjust windscreen on the new ADV 350 but couldn’t manage it here? Don’t their internal development teams talk?
We do get a chance to talk to the project engineers, but there are lots of things to talk about - it's a lot of information to gather in one go! So I had conversations around engine spec, electronics spec, chassis dynamics, gearing changes etc - and I specifically asked if the comfort seat was the same height as the standard seat; the answer was 'yes' - to which I replied 'So it's the same as a standard seat only more comfy?' - and they said, simply 'yes' again. I moved on to another question; it didn't occur to me to ask why you need a comfort seat. Lots of manufacturers make them - basically, they add foam (which why I asked about seat height; many comfort seats are also taller!).
So I assume the comfort seat is made from more premium material, and is more expensive as a result, and is therefore considered an 'upgrade' if you feel you want it; a bit like speccing a car with leather seats instead of fabric.
I also asked about the lack of electric screen - the answer was 'not necessary' - which means it's probably about weight, cost (not just components but assembly etc) and packaging.
Comfy seat after your burger dash on the Moto Guzzi 85?
Gotta say I think it is. But less tank range!
How is the comfort compared to a BMW R1200GS Adventure?
I have to say, it's nice to see your old lady mentioned on a modern bike review. VFR 800 Fi owner here.
I think Honda was not going for the typical sport- touring bike here. My bike is more sporty than a tourer. More tucked seating position. Cruising at higher rpm. Redline at 12k. Not the best wind protection.
I think maybe we should seperate the sport touring category into 2. The sport tourers that emphasize in sport riding and the ones emphasize in touring. In my opinion you can't compare the suzuki gsxs 1000 gt with the nt 1100. I don't see how these 2 bikes were made for the exact same purpose. You can't even compare a vfr with the nt.
Split into two, you mean touring and sport touring? This is something different again given the ground clearance is the about same as the pre-2021 NC750X which was classed as an adventure bike and still is even with the latest incarnation having been lowered by 30mm, so now we have an adventure bike which is lower than this sports tourer.
@@jimporter That's not what i said
“The sport tourers that emphasize in sport riding and the ones emphasize in touring” I think you did.
@@jimporter I did say that but i don't get how this is relevant to your comment. To be honest, I don't understand your point here. Are you saying that the NT is an adventure bike due to ground clearance?
Plus. I said we should split the sport-touring category into 2 subcategories depending on their main purpose.
Very honest and good review
Great review! Thank you.
I am only 5 and a half minutes in and already I must say I like the extra graphics in the video, really. Apart from that I am not keen on the bike's looks - a bit boring I find it - nor on the rather prominent display. And now I'll go back to watching the rest of this video. Cheers PS: Did you really say Honda's Ninja SX? 🤣
Hahahahaha yes I did! I talk too fast for my slow brain to keep up.
Thanks Simon. Great job. Good info. God bless. Happy trails.
Looks like the NT AT & Rebel are sharing the same engine. That's 👌
Shame the tank range is so short and no shaft drive. I will hang on to my ST1300 PanEuropean for a bit longer.
Good and fair review. Its a good looking bike. Not really impressed with the dashboard though, I find it looks bland or very generic IMO.
Yeah, a simple rectangle and another, even simpler 80s style, smaller rectangle. Jesus... my pet snake is more creative than that. lol
I've read a mention that the DCT isn't quite the latest Africa Twin gen and so might not so refined - not so good at low speed and too eager to change up. Is that correct?
You're right - I think mechanically they're the same, but Honda *did* say the DCT on the NT can't use all the dynamic vehicle information the AT does to operate, because it's not got a 6-axis IMU. So at a software level of operation that's correct. And I certainly noticed in Sport and Drive auto modes it swaps gears too soon, sometimes mid-corner (which is where the AT doesn't because it 'knows' lean angle). So I spent most of my time in Manual mode using the paddles.
I must admit I was maybe a bit too careful in the video about criticising DCT because I'm aware of my personal dislike for the system, and I didn't want to be accused by DCT fans of bashing it.
I still find it astonishing Honda didn't have manual transmission bikes on the launch. I totally understand and respect that some people like DCT, and that's cool. And the engineering is very cool. But an extra grand and 10kgs for something makes the bike ultimately harder to control at walking pace, and makes me feel less secure when I'm filtering? Not for me, ta.
Honda are crazy evangelical about the system though - you kind of get the feeling all down the hierarchy, from the top management in Japan down to Europe, then from there down to the sales guys in various countries, at every stage they're under orders to sell the crap out of DCT it & convince everyone it's the way forward. I remember when they were discounting DCT Africa Twins to bump the sales figures, but not discounting the same bike with manual transmission - which I always thought would give someone in Japan the wrong impression about how popular it is, or isn't.
Anyway, I'm glad it exists, and glad I haven't got it on my VFR.
@@writestuffmedia Good at least that the difference is down to software - lack of as much useful info/data as there is on the AT - rather than offloading older versions of hardware or software. But then again lack of 6 axis imu by now shouldn't be a massive cost saving. And DCT is mainly about its sofware anyway.
But so long as they keep providing decent full manual options in anything other than a scooter.
Would have interested me as a second bike behind my Goldwing if only it was shaft ,or belt driven even .
3:46 IMO, the only bad thing about this bike is the LCD screen under the TFT dash. Looks 1980’s- ish. And would have been nice if the drivetrain was shaft-driven.
why is the digital display flickering like crazy??
Frame rate of the Go Pro v frame rate of the screen. It doesn't look that to human eyes :-)
I've had my 2020 ATAS for over a year now. Taken it on a few long distance road trips. I thought I would expand my horizons with it and start exploring offroad, but realized in the end, offroad really isn't for me. I love the bike but I think it would be wise to trade in all that offroad technology for more touring technology but still keep the same base bike. This is why the NT1100 would really appeal to me.
A question I would have is, if you encounter long stretches of rough construction zones, or end up somewhere that you have to ride offroad or loose gravel/mud somewhere, how do you think the NT1100 would perform? Do you think I could put 50/50 tires on it? Thus having a capable street touring bike while still having good confidence offroad?
Another question: Do you think this bike will be available in North America?
It's far, far removed from the AT in terms of off-road performance - I would say you could certainly paddle it over loose gravel in much the same way you could a Tracer or a naked bike. It doesn't have clip ons, and when you're trying to chase a road tyre on a 17in rim in the dirt, the least you need is flat bars! But in mud? Oooo... I wouldn't fancy your chances of staying upright!
Not sure what dual purpose tyres you're thinking of in 120/70 17 - and I mean tyres with actual off-road ability, not just cosmetically fancy semi-block tread - but I wouldn't think it was worth it in terms of road feel and tyre life unless you habitually go looking for fire trails.
@@writestuffmedia Not sure what you mean by clips or flatbars, but in that size I think you can get Dunlop Trailmax Missions which are a 50/50 tire that still performs well on pavement. I know this because I'm riding on a set now.
Please Please Please Please Please tell me this will be hitting Canadian markets in 2023!
I'm interested to ride one of these, the ST1100 has been my tourer/commuter for the last 6 years and I love it still, I hope the NT can be the replacement. I rode my friends AT a lot, I like it though it's too big for me, love the motor hopefully the NT delivers.
I saw this when it first came out and tried one at the dealers but the standard seat was wrong for me, I am short 5' 4" and I did not feel confident putting my foot down, three years later with a Rebel 1100 in the garage I tried one again but this time it had the comfort seat , much better so I pick it up next week . I will be touring Scotland with the NT using roads south of the great glen with camping gear and leaving from Reading so a mile muncher like this is perfect for the job my Rebel did do well 2500 miles last year with all my gear but it needs a rest.,
Does it have cruise control?
Yup. Very definitely.
I was so hyped seing the CB4X prototype on the EICMA 2019.. and Honda made this. Pretty disappointing. :(
Another great review Simon, But if you were putting your own "hard earned" cash down on a brand new Daily Commuter/Sports Tourer (with clutch and manual gears) would it be the NT 1100 or the GSXS 1000GT?
Hmmm... personally, between the two... to spec the Suzuki to include heated grips and panniers, you'd be looking at another grand and a half and you still wouldn't have a centrestand or an adjustable screen, but you would have 150bhp instead of 100. So I think I'd have to say the Honda, for all-round-er-ness. More of a head thing than a heart thing, for that kind of role.
Oh hang on, what am I saying? I'd take the Suzuki, fit Oxford heated grips, I already have a paddock stand, who cares about the screen, and if I really want panniers I'd go for Shad or Givi options - and anyway, I'd get a topbox first.
This or the Multistrada 950 or V2 for a more fun ride?
I'm just editing the new MS 950 S video right now! Um, I think the MS 950 is definitely more 'involving', for better or worse (some riders would prefer the way the Honda doesn't announce its character, some would prefer the more shouty Ducati - although Ducatis are a lot less shouty than they used to be, which is definitely a good thing imo).
Not ridden the V2, soz.
The MS is a couple of grand more than the Honda, too. But I think... ooooooohh... if I was choosing between the two, personally I'd go with the red bike, I think. But maybe if Honda got a bit more adventurous with the colours... why couldn't the make the NT in AT colours? It basically IS an Africa Twin, after all.
@@writestuffmedia thanks, it seems ok but like most Hondas these days just bland and not exciting,
Does a full-face helmet fit the panniers? As a 7-year rider of Tracers, and owner of an AT-AS as second bike, I'm ready for some civility and comfort on the road. The Tracer is a hoot but I'm completely knackered at the end of the day, and always on hooligan mode, which isn't very healthy.
Wonder if this is the plan for replacing the goldwing
Good re view simon my self a vfr man both 750 and 1200 f only downside is lack of grunt to the other bikes in the same market been a honda it will be well built will have to c if honda will bring another vfr out love my vfr 1200f and my 2 750 models as well .
"NT" isn't quite as simple to explain as that, because my '88 Honda Hawk GT is an NT 650 and is a 647 cc V-twin, but it is not and never was an "NTV".
Sorry, I think the DL-1050XT should be on that competitor list too.
Yes, I agree they do a similar job... but if the V-Strom should be on it, so should the Africa Twin, perhaps? I dunno - magazine and website people (like me) love to pigeonhole bikes because it brings some sort of order to the manufacturers' model ranges - but we all know real people don't choose exclusively from categories like 'adventure bike' or 'naked bike' or 'sports tourer' - they're just convenient groups of bikes and real bike buyers simply decide between bikes they like. Could be a choice between a GS and a Fireblade, who knows? 😁 But we have to draw these arbitrary lines to demarcate between different styles of bike, and the V-Strom gets lumped in the adventure bike class alongside Africa Twins and Tiger 900s and the like, and not in the same class as the NT1100. Even though they do much the same thing and the price is about the same (although pretty sure a V-Strom would be better than an NT off road) 🤪
I've had 2 Cbf1000's which are a very capable, underrated 2 up touring bike and I'm looking forward to a test ride on one of these. Slightly concerned about the range on a tankful and hopefully the seat height will be ok for me as my Cbf is only 800mm.
I think the seat height will be fine - Honda's (non-DCT, ahem) are so well balanced at low speed it's like having a lower seat to start with! But yeah, the tank range is a question.
Not that we’re talking the same type of bike but I have on 04 vt1100 Honda. Love the bike but wish it had a bigger tank as well. 150 miles and I’m dead in the water. If I were looking at touring I would want something with some range. 200+ at least. I also prefer a shaft drive and manual clutch with water cooling which is what I have now. I’m sure it’s a nice bike but I’d pass due to the chain drive and AT.
How did you get on here?
I have been considering a cbf
Would have much preferred if they'd developed the CB1000R into this sports tourer rather than the Africa Twin.
Very good standard equipment - includes a centre stand!!!! 🤯
I know what you mean, I like the 4 cyl bikes, but would it have sold? The world seems to be in thrall to the twin these days. Crossrunner and Crosstourer didn’t seem to sell well. A 4 cyl version of this would have been even better, but people like that twin thud.
I would have preferred it too. Sometimes - especially in the current economic climate and with a mature European and North America Market - it feels very much as if new models are informed by 95% whatever's most economically viable, 4.9% by 'market research' with 0.1% inspiration.
I think Yamaha take a flying punt more often than most, and fail more (Niken) but also win more (CP2, CP3 and CP4 engines!). Kawasaki can be extraordinary when they try (H2 etc), and Suzuki do the best they can with what they've got, but it's a lot less than everyone else. Honda, by and large, are the most conservative - although they do stick their neck out in a very Honda way sometimes: whatever you think of the X-ADV, it's a) a pretty gutsy design and b) sells well.
Honestly, having a centrestand as standard (as opposed to a few hundred quid for an accessory or, in the case of the Ninja SX and GSX-S GT, not at all) is a novelty.
Thank you. My remaining questions: 1) what is the topspeed, 2) how does the bike dive with the front brakes during hard braking? the African twins dive quite a lot, by there reputation I'm afraid. 3) how is this DCT handling please. my left hand fingers have become stiff and have lost too much grip on the clutch lever, this is forcing me very unfortunately to leave my beloved Triumph Bonneville. Therefore, I hope to find a compromise in the nx1100 DCT. but I just need to be able to upshift or downshift halfway through the strong and up and down tight corners in my country, and I fear this "automatic" system will take over my control in a negative way and fail me. Would you like to share your insight with me? ( Did you by coincidence came across usable crashbars )
Nice review Simon! Do you think the Africa Twin lowering links will fit and work on the NT1100?
I'm gonna have a look on the parts lists and see if I can tell.
I can't find a parts list for the NT - might not be online yet - but from a couple of technical launch images from the CRF launch and the NT launch, the actual linkage arms look identical. I can't tell bearing diameters obvs, but if I were to take a punt I'd say they certainly look the same.
Simon, thanks for taking the time to look. I guess it's early for that question. At 5'7 and a 29 inch inseam I think I would be better off with the bike lowered. If Honda has another media day perhaps you could ask about this. Thanks again for looking!
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Versys 1000. Seems like a direct competitor if you skip the electronics package. The NT is a sharp looking bike. Hopefully it makes it to Canada.
I think Honda could have done more to enhance the styling and performance, but it's a platform to build on.
What does that mean? Did you perhaps leave some words out?
@@daveplem it mean what I said
@@lpete531 Hm. It makes sense now. I guess I’m not high anymore. Lol!
There really is no need for more performance. Unless you just want less fuel economy, and a more expensive bike.
Styling will always be an issue for someone.
Great stuff, but a shame it's not available in 4k
Why is speedo digital and lcd offset? Am I only notice that?
Nice and through review, why not "belt" ? I've been on chain-bikes for a long time but also had a belt drive for 4 years - did NOT touch it!! No grease everywhere, no adjusting (except for normal PM), and perfectly smooth and quiet all the time... Why more manufactures don't use it? cheers