Personally, I like the Classic Sonic design in generations. It does a good job at taking a 2d character and bringing them to third dimension. My issue are the people who cry and get angry at you if you have one small problem with it no matter how small it is.
Aside from sky blue color, he also a subtle design that was seen in the 3D renders (with the exception of Sonic Racing) but it's missing in most 2D artworks. Which is likely responsible to the confusion. That subtle design element being a hybrid of both regional artworks from the 90s, wish it was emphasize way more to distance his design from Sonic's original design (pre-1998 redesign).
The first thing I imagined when I heard the name was Sonic on a ruined city road, looking up at a Hedgehog on top of a building with purple fur, unruly quills, a large hat and shark teeth saying, "Don't you know? I'm Santiago... and I'm about to become the Fastest Thing Alive..."
I’m so with you on hating the Sonic Defence Force. I saw a similar thing with people defending the fact that the Cyberspace levels are just reusing old level designs. Some of the arguments used are just pathetic, my favourite being, “it’s an optional part of the game, stop taking it seriously.”
The most pathetic one I saw was someone saying it's stupid to hate someone for using the same pen every day, therefore it's stupid to hate the devs for recycling the same levels constantly. Couldn't even make a good parallel.
@@kirbo4252 It's been confirmed from the footage that several of the cyberspace levels are copy/pasted or trimmed down copies of levels from previous games. One of them is literally Sonic Generations' Green Hill but shorter and with a sunset background, another is Generations' Chemical Plant without the 2D segments and another is just Sonic Unleashed's tutorial level but with Green Hill assets, and so on. It's the laziest they've been yet in terms of recycling content.
Thank you for talking about the toxic positivity of the fanbase recently. It seems like we can't have any sort of conversation about anything in this franchise
I like to think origins have a return to the “real classic sonic” because the color isn’t light blue it’s toned down way more and plus it’s quite literally ya compilation of the original games aka the genesis gsmes
I mean SD you gotta realize, some people see Sonic as a real being. I've seen plenty of comments unironically say shit like "Don't be mean to Sonic.EXE, I'm going to call him when I get a cell phone."
Yo, this is Jin. I’m completely fine. Sorry if I scared you. I deactivated my account because my life has been getting very busy, And I don’t have time for online stuff. I might come back one day, but that day is very far from now.
It took me most of the runtime of this video to figure out what exactly you're talking about. This seems like an incredibly confusing situation, but the story about your story trailer review helped I think. So let me get this straight: guy creates a joke image satirizing people complaining about I guess the difference between modern and classic Sonic by making an even more petty comparison, and a bunch of people apparently don't understand it's satire and get sincerely enraged about the idea of complaining about it? Something like that? I've always thought it was pretty hilarious that people lost their shit over Sonic's eye color of all things, so I just saw the meme and thought it was funny immediately. All this other stuff is just wacky nonsense, like there's not anything else to say after that. Sonic fans sure are weird sometimes...
The most involved members of the Sonic fan base generally tend to skew younger, so it makes sense for young teens who may not have developed the capability to process and respond to disagreements maturely or respectfully to lash out at something as absurd as Santiago. As a side note: the meme did start getting old. Glad it fizzled out a bit over time.
@@ayrtonjoga I don't see a problem it's ok to talk about designs people should not be scared to talk about that as long! No one is getting hurt or causing drama. But I really don't see the problem even if it's minor dude.
Could you imagine being the family in that situation, you are trying desperately to make your son remember who they are and nothing is working you play music show pictures and memories and tell them stories but nothing works. And then boom some little kid is playing with a Sonic toy and it all comes back, I'd be happy my family member remembers again but I'd be pissed that none of the loving memories mattered all that mattered was fucking sonic lmao
I think being able to criticize something is obviously important for anything, really. There comes a point, though, where being critical ruins the enjoyment and/or hilarity of the discussion and the thing being criticized itself. That point comes along a lot faster if the parties involved can’t take a joke, or if they can’t handle negativity. That being said, I am a firm believer that negativity really doesn’t help criticism in general as much as the general gaming community thinks it does. But hey, that’s just me.
I'm with you on that. Theres been this wave lately of people thinking that criticism equals constant negativity but thats only one portion of actually critiquing something. You talk about the negatives, the positives, and things you think would improve the product. THAT is actual criticism
There’s also this belief where if you don’t like how overly negative someone is about a certain game, then you’re just an “oversensitive fanboy with bad taste”
@@theonlybilge or just don’t say anything at all, especially if it’s something you aren’t interested in. I know people wanna feel like they’re contributing their piece, I totally get that. But there is a difference between contribution and… whatever the other thing is lol. Unless it’s furries. Nothing good there 😂
8:15 Ironically after the story trailer dropped and during Gamescom, the playable demo glitched, allowing people to see cutscenes and characters unannounced.
Personally I'm ok with Classic Sonic being more cute than regular Sonic, but only if he still embodies his character and not like the current games make him just this completely bland character. Like Classic Sonic should be even more cocky than modern Sonic.
Friendly reminder that we still need to watch out for Josh. He’s what started all this madness and hasn’t saved anyone’s life yet. Investigations for Yoshi are still on-going.
Fun Fact: The name Santiago translates to Latin as "Saint James" and the name itself is from Spanish and Hebrew origins. Considering that this meme saved the creators life, "Saint James" turned out to be pretty fitting. Also I though this was going to be another .exe lmao
I think the thing about the whole debate around Santiago, is that I hope there still some people who follow the whole "don't judge a book by its cover". I don't hate people who have discussions about things like this, but I feel like it gets to the point where there's no way to understand what makes something a good design, and if your a creator of a form of media, it can be hard to understand your fanbase. That's not to say I feel like people should hate the Santiago meme or be rude to to anyone who nitpicks, admittedly I don't understand why it always has to involve bullying over a design. But I cant blame them either, because I fully understand how they feel. Overall I feel both sides are pretty bad in a way. Edit: with the "She-Hulk" CGI, I did (only) agree with the whole idea that it can switch to uncanny and then back to normal again while others think it's bad everywhere. It's fine if you don't agree with me, and we can just find each other interesting. Again there's some form of me that doesn't *usually* care about debates like this, I just don't want it to turn toxic. Its the same with Thanos CGI controversy. Just felt the need to say that. Edit2: SPLASH DASH SENPAI NOTICED ME 😳 Edit3: Fuck, after Splash Dash hearted my comment, I edited my comment and his heart went away ):
I remember seeing SOOO many people online think Santiago was literally just about the color of the fur, and honestly, that's never bothered me. I just hate how short and pudgy Generations Sonic looks. Compared to his artwork in Sonic CD and such, he definitely gives off a very different vibe, and I don't like that. I also think they tried too hard to make him look classic and different. He has enough differences in his normal classic design that they didn't need to exaggerate his pudginess. And another thing I don't see people mention is that Robotnik looks absolutely terrible in Generations. Like it's downright awful. They tried so hard to make him look classic that he barely even looks like a real person. Ideally, imo, they should've based him off of modern Eggman. With subtle changes like less angry eyes, a rounder body, and thinner clothes. But the result we get is a guy who doesn't look like he would turn into Modern Eggman at all. Most characters in the classic artstyle would work well in the modern artstyle, even if they were virtually unchanged. Which is why them making so many small changes to Sonic added up. And it's why it's so upsetting to me that they didn't even bother to change the one character that could've really used an upgrade (Eggman). Generations Classic Sonic, while annoying, isn't that big of a deal. I found Santiago really funny because it took legitimate criticisms I had with the design and demonized a fake character based on them. But ultimately do I care that he looks like that? Not really. It's annoying, but just like Modern Yoshi's design, I'll deal with it. But Generations Robotnik? No. He's an attrocity.
I remember when the fans used to discuss alot of how sonic's quills are shorter then they used to be in a negative way Did i thought it was silly? Yes Did i stab them in the chest with a threat to stop immediately because of something so minor? ...NO
I found Santiago really funny. I didn't think that people didn't like it. Maybe it's cuz i saw it on yt and not twitter. Those guys have like no filter, kinda sad most content creators neeed it to talk with their community Also he saved a life whjat the f
@@Laekith the thing is, the sonic 1 and 2 design is the more iconic one. Sega wouldnt really care which one the fans prefer, just the one that is more marketable towards a casual audience.
And they didn't give him a voice too like that was just so damning. Honestly if the guy who voiced Sonic in Satam was still around back then they should have hired him to voice Sonic.
I have literally recieved personal insults online about my irl appearance for pointing out minor things im not too fond off about Sonic Frontiers, this fanbase has gotten to all new levels of defensive recently.
Ironically those fans are making me even more skeptical about the game because what they fail to realize is that most excuses they're making are the same ones they used before Forces launched. Talk about setting red flags.
I Think one of the reasons why Classic Sonic looks more cutsie is to separate the 2 thing about Classic Sonic. He was adoarble but cool at the same time. So the Way i see it Classic Sonic represent the cute side of Sonic and Modern Sonic represent the cool side of Sonic. Or maybe it just cause Sega dont Care but maybe
GUYS GUYS GUYS! AT THE LAST BOSS FIGHT IN FRONTIERS, SONIC REALIZES HE CAN'T WIN AND SAYS, "Gah! I can't win without... Myself!" And then Classic Sonic comes out. And they both makeout. THE END
This defensive behavior not only happens with Sonic, I have received similar responses to comments I made, sometimes not even stuff as minor as a slight redesign; I once complained about a game getting day one dlc and a couple of people got defensive because it wasn't a lot of content being locked behind a paywall, as if that somehow makes it okay to cut content from a game to sell it separately.
Not a bad discussion, but I do think this was at least a little one-sided. While I agree Santiago just existing has made the more "optimistic" side of the fandom way more defensive and short-tempered, I can't help but notice you've neglected to talk about how it's affected the "pessimistic" side's train of thought as well. A fair amount of fans on the Santiago gravy train I've seen to be quite pretentious. I remember a Twitter user recently made a Gens Classic Sonic appreciation post - which wasn't made to push any message or agenda, or target any group of fans in particular - and their replies got absolutely swamped with the meme, usually with the caption "He tricked you!" They found it quite disheartening, especially since it kept happening after their request to stop posting the meme in the replies. Jinjin quote tweeted the post as well, but pretty sure he only did so just to take in how well his meme had spread, rather than telling people to stop annoying them. Take that for what you will. There's also a tweet from SNick, reading: "Santiago is an in-genuine Sonic, the one that's driven by the sole purpose of corporate nostalgia and nothing more, passion being sacrificed for that of greed." I mean, you can critique the design and its appearances all you want, but it's just so hyperbolic, way too dramatised. Again, take that for what you will. I feel there's also a point to be made about condensing design or writing issues into end-all terms, like "Mary Sue", "CalArts", or, to use another Sonic-based example, "momentum", where the term is repeated so often, that it eventually loses its meaning and turns from *constructive* to *destructive.* It ends up making people more close-minded about the media they consume and disregarding the developers' intentions, while it can also be confusing or pressuring for fans who just want to have peaceful discussions about the thing they like. Well, that's my 2 cents on the whole thing. I have nothing else to add lol.
About the fandom being unavailable to discuss, the reused levels for the Cyberspace zones topic rings a bell to me. I commented on a video that despite everything, the cyberspace recycling sucks. And people got mad at me, like geeez I know is just a bit from the game and that the real focus are the open area with grass but still, it baffles me how my first impression about something is capable of pissing people
Honestly, I think those fans are just trying to suppress others. They know it's crap, they know it's not acceptable, but they don't want to have to acknowledge it. The worst part is the older fans with a large platform are essentially protecting them, just so they can continue to moan about the 2000s fans. All I'll say about these fans that are going around suppressing more critical fans, they have no right to EVER crap on the 2000s games ever again (even the bad games). For all the garbage I've seen them excuse in the past two years (with Colors Ultimate, Origins and now Frontiers). I do not want to EVER see them moan about those 2000s games ever again. Those apologists have lost the right to be taken seriously. Proving they do NOT care about quality.
Loved how Mark (Certainly not you) managed to get the fandom upset with one tweet. (I already quite a lot of things there is to see in frontiers but even then, I don't have enough time in my day to get annoyed over a tweet.)
8:50 Ngl, personally, hearing about how the fanbase doesn't like criticism always seems baffling to me, since everywhere I go, I often see or hear more people dumping on the series, especially within the fanbase itself, than defending it.
I feel like its mostly cause of people like game grumps who just never-endingly shit on sonic for no real reason other than they played sonic 06 that one time. Believe me though, the side that defends the games to the total extreme do exist, Im friends with one of them and they unironically are in the boat of "IGN made sonic frontiers look bad like they did with unleashed"
i just hate that it always has to be this big drama. taking that eggman logo example, yeah its a funny little oversight but the tweet pointing it out says "theres no way they fucked up this hard" as if it's this major blight that ruins the entire package. yeah nitpick, point out flaws, but like everyone on every "side" needs to just chill
When Generations was released, they announced Classic Sonic, inspired by the 90's design The thing is that Classic Sonic from Gens is different from the Classic Sonic from the 90's Most of the examples are that Gens Classic has a lighter shade of blue, the 3D models are inaccurate to the og design and has no charisma, he acts cute when the OG Classic never did as much, he doesnt talk while OG Classic did. This has been for a while but the Santiago meme is the peak, idk how it started but its a clear critic saying Gens Classic is not OG Classic, saying he is.... god dammit I cant belive Im gonna say it, an impostor , and his true name is Santiago and he replaced the true OG Classic Soni
The worst part about this whole thing is that even the most casual Sonic fans know the Santiago meme, and use it as an easy low bar joke to make at any situation discussing classic Sonic. Kinda what happened with the Snapcube fandubs. They are amazing, but whenever a conversation about SA2, Shadow, or Eggman reaches the ears of a very casual fan, they immediately rely on the memes derived from the dubs. Tldr, filthy casuals ruin everything :^)
Over a year ago I ended up in a discussion concerning dark age games and how Shadow's game had some good ideas at certain points but was ultimately let down by, well, everything, then suddenly 2 weeks ago I just get a reply from some rando and all he's doing is quoting the new fandub. Nothing interesting to add to the convo, just repeating a joke everyone heard. It didn't ruin my day but it sure is annoying.
The thing that irks me about the Eggman logo thing was...honestly...the phrasing of the tweet. "wow, there's no way they screwed up that badly" I and many others looked at the picture and went "...I don't get it, what's the issue?". We literally had to be told what the issue was. At that point, why make a big deal out of it? Like, if the person had said something like "Anyone else noticed that Origins used the wrong logo?", or "They used the wrong Eggman logo in Origins lmao", I wouldn't have been all that bothered. But they seemingly made it seem like a big deal, which...was it? Was it _really?_ As much as I couldn't care less about Classic Sonic design debates (both because I'm not all that well versed in character design, and because... I just didn't really care), I could at least see where people are coming from. But this just seemed like a genuinely needless nitpick. To be clear, I don't think that the person who made the tweet was going out of their way to be malicious or anything of the sort. I just think that either: A) They made a mountain out of a molehill in the heat of the moment, or B) They wanted to bring attention to a minor mistake and just made a goof up in their wording.
honestly people should really gibe their own criticisms regardless of how minor or major it is and not just focus on vitriolically defending the game from obvious bait as free advertisement i felt this with halo infinite- also another game that turned a series into an open world with some new mechanics and nostalgic callbacks. halo is more well regarded than sonic is even in the 2010's but just like sonic, a shift happened and a complete misunderstanding of what made it great warped the franchise into a series filled with mediocre games, which is weird cause the halo trilogy is the cornerstone of modern video games in this case, a guy says "where's all the detail" comparing it to call of duty where the spartan shoots the fruit and people suddenly come to hound on the guy, yet become ignorant to the fact that the game comes with severe, crippling flaws that would make the game go from 200,000 people at lunch to single digit thousands. - what happened after halo 5? they just gloss over it despite directly basing events off of it - what happened to cortana? why is she replaced by literally paimon from genshin impact? - where are the other game modes? infection? shotty snipers? oh, after launch? sure. launch came almost a year ago. where is infection? - why is there only one biome with only a day and night setting? ironically, frontiers is releasing with five different original islands, with more dynamic weather lmaoooo hell while not open and large, previous halo games have such a wide variety of locales that it's kinda weird to see only one for this title while i'd still be down to play frontiers, i was also down to play halo thinking it was gonna be great. it WAS great, but it was crippled by problems that were on our face that no one brought to light. how saddening that many others have to eagerly wait for mediocre releases of many franchises with some exceptions and all we can do to have a semblance of quality and grandness is look back to when they made those with these qualities
I have a Santiago plush from Walmart, it looks like it’s trying to look like Sonic, yet ultimately fails by looking like an image converted into a plushie with “hedgehog quills” that stick out from the side of his head. He’s locked up in my closet as of now Edit: after hearing he saved someone’s life I let him out
Grate video, but I do have one nitpick. though. Santiago is more of a cyan then a lighter shade of blue/indigo. While cyan looks like a lighter blue, it's a completely different hue on the color wheel. it's kind of the equivalent of saying yellow is a lighter shade of orange. like I said, it's a nitpick bit I just wanted to point that out.
SplashDash you better watch your back, cause Santiago does not like when he's critized/bothered! Also, he's genius when it comes by making massacres without leaving a trace of their victims!
I don't really meme on the design, I criticize the personality (as if there is any). He's personality in Generations and Forces is equivalent to a bottle of water. All he does is stand there with a dumb smirk. While Classic Sonic he has a personality, He's a rebellious adventure who doesn't like being told what to do. He has a big heart who cares for his friends to the point where he would sacrifice his life to save him or even the world. Classic Sonic in JP was cool by being cool Classic Sonic in the US was cool by acting cool. (this was just an excuse to talk about classic sonic personality lol)
I've talked to the dude who reposted the meme (nick) and it's basically that on top of the model Just that Twitter as a platform and Twitter users hate reading short essaies (threads) so he doesn't do it publicly
...How did I not notice you were Mark until that Story Trailer response bit?! Anyway, I'm glad Santiago's father made it out of the crash and it is so weirdly wholesome to have his memories come back that way. Seriously, I couldn't help but smile. I hope he just deleted his Twitter for the sake of getting away from the very community both treating it as gospel AND pretending it's a hit piece so the dude can recover and have a great life. I definitely prefer Sonic's Saturn era expressiveness to what he is now, but it's still Classic Sonic at the end of the day for me, so either way it's fine.
Your take on frontiers later on in the video was great, watched your reaction to the trailer live and I have to agree, the story trailer has minimal to no story
I honest to god first thought the name was just referring to the "new" Classic Sonic being too "cutesy", not really anything design-related (aside from maybe being a lighter blue which, I kinda just took as a necessity). And while, yea, that's definitely an issue, this isn't really the only example of flanderization in the series, and it's especially visible in Forces where he has no point aside from tying Mania down to Forces even though Forces itself was supposed to be its own, grandiose, *new* thing. Criticism is important, but it needs to be well-targetted, otherwise you miss the point and make yourself just look like a fool. People taking the Santiago meme too literally is just another case of BringBackNationalDex to me: an understandable cause brought down by people completely missing the point and going way overboard with it.
Modern Sonic isn't Santiago's older brother, If they are brothers how are they in a another universe? Plus why would Santiago's older brother save people if Santiago hates people? And how can Sonic disappear from his own game and Santiago took over of his own game? Plus the Multiverse of Sonic exists so that is just Classic Sonic. PLUS people loved the Sonic Generations game so they practically love Classic Sonic which is a so called fake "Santiago" and Multiverses make Sonic or other people look different like Doctor Strange, Sinister Strange, Supreme Strange, Defender Strange and Zombie Strange They all look different so Sonic has a little twin that can't talk and has Light blue hair another example, In Spider-Man No Way Home Tobey Andrew and Tom and the other 2 Spider-Men are from a another universe Ned opened a portal for those 2 to come to Tom's Universe see what I am saying right now? So Santiago is fake. I said the proof, you can't deny it.
Apparently Sega might be making this a canon character, since in the old version of sonic speed simulator, there was a message under the bridge that said “santiago is gone”. (Or it’s just for the memes)
Santiago is a cool guy. He doesn't hate you, he just has difficulties making his dream of being one of the successful kids a reality and stays silent out of self-frustration that his biggest sparks of glory were carried by nostalgiafests. Also, not his fault that Forces sucked, no caps. I wouldn't have liked the game any more with him removed. Without jokes tho, I sorta wish they actually let Classic Sonic just being Sonic, instead of just making him the stereotype of cartoon Mickey(which is not even true btw, the classic Mickey-design has actually been used in serious contexts with a wide range of emotions, like in the Epic Mickey games). Why no attitude?
I've seen some people trying to explain in the most respectful way why they don't like the fact that Sonic Team's recycling classic levels (again) (for the fourth time) and yet they still get a fuckton of pricks who can't just agree to disagree with other people and feel the need to pull the "SONIC FANS WILL NEVER BE SATISFIED GRRR" card everytime they see any form of criticism to Frontiers. Discussing with Sonic fans is just annoying no matter how hard you try to not hurt their feelings
"I FOUND YOU, FAKER!" "Faker? I think YOU'RE the fake hedgehog around here! YOU comparing yourself to ME? HA!! you're not even good enough to be my fake!" "I'LL MAKE YOU EAT THESE WORDS!!!!"
What do you think about Santiago 🤔
He's a faker!
Unfunny
How the hell did you post this comment 12 minutes before this video was uploaded
Veri kewl
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Personally, I like the Classic Sonic design in generations. It does a good job at taking a 2d character and bringing them to third dimension. My issue are the people who cry and get angry at you if you have one small problem with it no matter how small it is.
Yes, but his name is still Santiago and he will wear it like a badge of honor since he saved someone.
If he was a different color, I would like the design too...
Aside from sky blue color, he also a subtle design that was seen in the 3D renders (with the exception of Sonic Racing) but it's missing in most 2D artworks. Which is likely responsible to the confusion.
That subtle design element being a hybrid of both regional artworks from the 90s, wish it was emphasize way more to distance his design from Sonic's original design (pre-1998 redesign).
@@PancakebatterLuigi true dat
Honestly i dont think he at all looks like the sonic from the early games
The first thing I imagined when I heard the name was Sonic on a ruined city road, looking up at a Hedgehog on top of a building with purple fur, unruly quills, a large hat and shark teeth saying, "Don't you know? I'm Santiago... and I'm about to become the Fastest Thing Alive..."
I don’t know why this is so funny to me
DaRkNeSs InSiDe
With A Sombrero And a Mexican accent
Nothing personnel kid
Mexican Terios
Santiago is reason why our whole Universe have conflicts
What does conflict mean anyways? 😕
Fans: it's a Imposter mania sonic:am I a joke to you?
I’m so with you on hating the Sonic Defence Force. I saw a similar thing with people defending the fact that the Cyberspace levels are just reusing old level designs. Some of the arguments used are just pathetic, my favourite being, “it’s an optional part of the game, stop taking it seriously.”
The most pathetic one I saw was someone saying it's stupid to hate someone for using the same pen every day, therefore it's stupid to hate the devs for recycling the same levels constantly. Couldn't even make a good parallel.
Wait it uses old level design like the exact same level from previous games like sonic generations or that it uses the same art style?
@@kirbo4252 It's been confirmed from the footage that several of the cyberspace levels are copy/pasted or trimmed down copies of levels from previous games. One of them is literally Sonic Generations' Green Hill but shorter and with a sunset background, another is Generations' Chemical Plant without the 2D segments and another is just Sonic Unleashed's tutorial level but with Green Hill assets, and so on. It's the laziest they've been yet in terms of recycling content.
@@MegaGlassguy oh, then yeah that's not good
Thank you for talking about the toxic positivity of the fanbase recently. It seems like we can't have any sort of conversation about anything in this franchise
5:27 Toodles: breaks your neck
Oh hey, LS Mark just uploaded a new video!
9:01 Damn bruh I never knew that, that’s a sick ass story
The Santiago I know: *S A N T I A G O*
**Proceeds to shoot SpongeBob Santiagopants**
From criminal to hero
I like to think origins have a return to the “real classic sonic” because the color isn’t light blue it’s toned down way more and plus it’s quite literally ya compilation of the original games aka the genesis gsmes
One of my headcanons for xenophanes is he is a santiago.exe
I have a Santiago plush💀
I mean SD you gotta realize, some people see Sonic as a real being. I've seen plenty of comments unironically say shit like "Don't be mean to Sonic.EXE, I'm going to call him when I get a cell phone."
Yo, this is Jin. I’m completely fine. Sorry if I scared you.
I deactivated my account because my life has been getting very busy, And I don’t have time for online stuff.
I might come back one day, but that day is very far from now.
sonic sucks - yours truly, a sonic fan
Ikr
It took me most of the runtime of this video to figure out what exactly you're talking about. This seems like an incredibly confusing situation, but the story about your story trailer review helped I think. So let me get this straight: guy creates a joke image satirizing people complaining about I guess the difference between modern and classic Sonic by making an even more petty comparison, and a bunch of people apparently don't understand it's satire and get sincerely enraged about the idea of complaining about it? Something like that?
I've always thought it was pretty hilarious that people lost their shit over Sonic's eye color of all things, so I just saw the meme and thought it was funny immediately. All this other stuff is just wacky nonsense, like there's not anything else to say after that. Sonic fans sure are weird sometimes...
I hate the fact that classic is very light blue! It just doesn't look right! (Opinion)
I love that people call him "Santiago"
The Fact Santiago made someone recover completely from their Amnesia is more wholesome and better then any JRPG Amnesia storyline combined
Memes are the strongest force in the multiverse.
@@lpfan4491 Memes, the dna of the soul
@@lpfan4491 true
Santiago saved a life that day
You don't capitalise amnesia.
The most involved members of the Sonic fan base generally tend to skew younger, so it makes sense for young teens who may not have developed the capability to process and respond to disagreements maturely or respectfully to lash out at something as absurd as Santiago.
As a side note: the meme did start getting old. Glad it fizzled out a bit over time.
Or you can be an adult who's young at heart
it's funny because santiago impostor like among us
@@EpicTails OH that is funny!
Young teens were the ones sharing the santiago meme though, sonic fans regardless of age are going to shit on each other tbh
@@EpicTails oh my God why
I never expected we’d be talking about sonics color again after the arms thing and yet, here we are.
First the green eyes, then the longer quills, then the blue arms, and now his color
I wonder what's next, his gloves?
@@ayrtonjoga eyes, quills, shoes, legs, arm color, body color, voice, eye shape, yeah seems that gloves is next
@@ayrtonjoga His shoes
I don't u should mind it as long as know one is getting hurt.
@@ayrtonjoga I don't see a problem it's ok to talk about designs people should not be scared to talk about that as long! No one is getting hurt or causing drama. But I really don't see the problem even if it's minor dude.
The biggest imposter is LS Mark, who does an uncanny impression of Splash Dash's voice 🕵♂
I’m worried now, Splash here is saying he’s using Mark’s twitter to share his opinion. Geez that’s a bit dangerous.
Or mabye… there the same person DUN DUN DUN
@@ILovedBasedTakes Nah, that's impossible
@@ILovedBasedTakes Nah man they're just friends bro.
@@RandomHans are you sure about that???
Could you imagine being the family in that situation, you are trying desperately to make your son remember who they are and nothing is working you play music show pictures and memories and tell them stories but nothing works.
And then boom some little kid is playing with a Sonic toy and it all comes back, I'd be happy my family member remembers again but I'd be pissed that none of the loving memories mattered all that mattered was fucking sonic lmao
Tbf I would say that the Santiago meme acted more as a trigger here than an important memory.
Like jump starting the brain.
Everything: i sleep
Santiago: *REAL SH*T?*
I think being able to criticize something is obviously important for anything, really. There comes a point, though, where being critical ruins the enjoyment and/or hilarity of the discussion and the thing being criticized itself. That point comes along a lot faster if the parties involved can’t take a joke, or if they can’t handle negativity.
That being said, I am a firm believer that negativity really doesn’t help criticism in general as much as the general gaming community thinks it does. But hey, that’s just me.
I'm with you on that. Theres been this wave lately of people thinking that criticism equals constant negativity but thats only one portion of actually critiquing something. You talk about the negatives, the positives, and things you think would improve the product. THAT is actual criticism
Thank goodness there's a fine line between constructive criticism and destructive negativity.
There’s also this belief where if you don’t like how overly negative someone is about a certain game, then you’re just an “oversensitive fanboy with bad taste”
If something doesn't have anything to praise, you can only really be negative about it.
@@theonlybilge or just don’t say anything at all, especially if it’s something you aren’t interested in. I know people wanna feel like they’re contributing their piece, I totally get that. But there is a difference between contribution and… whatever the other thing is lol.
Unless it’s furries. Nothing good there 😂
8:15 Ironically after the story trailer dropped and during Gamescom, the playable demo glitched, allowing people to see cutscenes and characters unannounced.
Best thing to ever happen.
That how you know it going SO great
That was more of a story trailer than the real trailer ever was
Everyone deserves a second chance, even Santiago. Sure he may be a raging Demon, but he saved someone's life and that counts for something.
He saved Hitlers life.
@@BBWahoo Santiago doesn't know that
Now I want to see Coldsteel get a redemption arc on deviantart
Literally plot of Shadow's story in Sonic Adventure 2, but in reverse
Yo
that single classic sonic model from sonic forces definitely set the sonic community back 10 years
It's the same as Generations
@@Laekith weirdly enough, the (in game) model from generations is actually coloured darker, his colour resembles the sonic 1 sprites.
@@christosdoesthings yeah the texture's different but the model is the same
I mean it definitely set the series back 10 years considering they’re still bringing back green hill zone
you most likely mean the render of him
yeah it's goofy af
Personally I'm ok with Classic Sonic being more cute than regular Sonic, but only if he still embodies his character and not like the current games make him just this completely bland character.
Like Classic Sonic should be even more cocky than modern Sonic.
Friendly reminder that we still need to watch out for Josh. He’s what started all this madness and hasn’t saved anyone’s life yet. Investigations for Yoshi are still on-going.
Not only that but he has framed an innocent dinosaur for tax fraud😭
Josh saved my life! :^D
-(H E L P I A M T R A P P E D I N H I S B A S E M E N T)-
Santiago actually saving someone’s life is a story I didn’t know I needed until I got it.
Same
You got to love how all the witnesses have a hint of Irish in them.
Damnit even Splash Dash uses “impostEr” instead of “impostOr”
It is impostEr.
The impostor from that one game
@@virtualashez if you mean how Among Us spells it, it’s “ImpostOr”
@@ryanr27 no I’m talking about the correct spelling
@@virtualashez It is “Impostor”, that’s the correct spelling
Fun Fact: The name Santiago translates to Latin as "Saint James" and the name itself is from Spanish and Hebrew origins.
Considering that this meme saved the creators life, "Saint James" turned out to be pretty fitting.
Also I though this was going to be another .exe lmao
I think the thing about the whole debate around Santiago, is that I hope there still some people who follow the whole "don't judge a book by its cover". I don't hate people who have discussions about things like this, but I feel like it gets to the point where there's no way to understand what makes something a good design, and if your a creator of a form of media, it can be hard to understand your fanbase. That's not to say I feel like people should hate the Santiago meme or be rude to to anyone who nitpicks, admittedly I don't understand why it always has to involve bullying over a design. But I cant blame them either, because I fully understand how they feel.
Overall I feel both sides are pretty bad in a way.
Edit: with the "She-Hulk" CGI, I did (only) agree with the whole idea that it can switch to uncanny and then back to normal again while others think it's bad everywhere. It's fine if you don't agree with me, and we can just find each other interesting. Again there's some form of me that doesn't *usually* care about debates like this, I just don't want it to turn toxic. Its the same with Thanos CGI controversy. Just felt the need to say that.
Edit2: SPLASH DASH SENPAI NOTICED ME
😳
Edit3: Fuck, after Splash Dash hearted my comment, I edited my comment and his heart went away ):
Lol
the fact that santiago saved a life is just amazing
I remember seeing SOOO many people online think Santiago was literally just about the color of the fur, and honestly, that's never bothered me.
I just hate how short and pudgy Generations Sonic looks. Compared to his artwork in Sonic CD and such, he definitely gives off a very different vibe, and I don't like that.
I also think they tried too hard to make him look classic and different. He has enough differences in his normal classic design that they didn't need to exaggerate his pudginess.
And another thing I don't see people mention is that Robotnik looks absolutely terrible in Generations. Like it's downright awful.
They tried so hard to make him look classic that he barely even looks like a real person. Ideally, imo, they should've based him off of modern Eggman. With subtle changes like less angry eyes, a rounder body, and thinner clothes. But the result we get is a guy who doesn't look like he would turn into Modern Eggman at all.
Most characters in the classic artstyle would work well in the modern artstyle, even if they were virtually unchanged. Which is why them making so many small changes to Sonic added up. And it's why it's so upsetting to me that they didn't even bother to change the one character that could've really used an upgrade (Eggman).
Generations Classic Sonic, while annoying, isn't that big of a deal. I found Santiago really funny because it took legitimate criticisms I had with the design and demonized a fake character based on them. But ultimately do I care that he looks like that? Not really. It's annoying, but just like Modern Yoshi's design, I'll deal with it.
But Generations Robotnik? No. He's an attrocity.
I remember when the fans used to discuss alot of how sonic's quills are shorter then they used to be in a negative way
Did i thought it was silly?
Yes
Did i stab them in the chest with a threat to stop immediately because of something so minor?
...NO
I found Santiago really funny. I didn't think that people didn't like it. Maybe it's cuz i saw it on yt and not twitter. Those guys have like no filter, kinda sad most content creators neeed it to talk with their community
Also he saved a life whjat the f
Imagine being such a toxic fan base that you turn a meme into a debate.
Lol
💀
The sonic fan base isn't toxic, twitter is.
I think they wanted to base the Generations designs on the Sonic 1/2 sprites. I personally don't like it cause he looks too round and "friendly"
Funny too since Sonic the Fighters already solved 3d Classic Sonic, and Tails, and many others
@@TechBlade9000 yeah, the Saturn/Sonic 3 design is what they should've went with
@@Laekith the thing is, the sonic 1 and 2 design is the more iconic one. Sega wouldnt really care which one the fans prefer, just the one that is more marketable towards a casual audience.
@@christosdoesthings yeah it's the most recognizable to casuals, I get why they did it, but as a fan I don't care for it
And they didn't give him a voice too like that was just so damning. Honestly if the guy who voiced Sonic in Satam was still around back then they should have hired him to voice Sonic.
Santiago lived long enough to see himself become a...hero?
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself to become the villain."
Joker 2008
If you’re a hero and you live long enough you become a villain
If you’re a villain and live long enough you become a hero.
@@modmaker7617 or you just be the villain, kill all the heroes and still be the villain.
Santiago went into his megamind arc
It wont be a surprise for me if Santiago gets a reference on a new Sonic comic or movie
It'll be like the other memes that ascended, turning up about three years late to the party and three years before it gets revived.
I have literally recieved personal insults online about my irl appearance for pointing out minor things im not too fond off about Sonic Frontiers, this fanbase has gotten to all new levels of defensive recently.
Ironically those fans are making me even more skeptical about the game because what they fail to realize is that most excuses they're making are the same ones they used before Forces launched. Talk about setting red flags.
You will never catch me.
I caught you, you're in my heart and I love you.
You're not a criminal tho, you were framed.
I am filling a lawsuit cause you gave me a heart attack with this video.
love not using twiiter
I Think one of the reasons why Classic Sonic looks more cutsie is to separate the 2 thing about Classic Sonic. He was adoarble but cool at the same time. So the Way i see it Classic Sonic represent the cute side of Sonic and Modern Sonic represent the cool side of Sonic. Or maybe it just cause Sega dont Care but maybe
I do think that might've been where they were going with it as well, but like alot of things in my life forces ruined it by keeping the model the same
@@GDRunny I like to learn more about how forces ruined your life, did they like ruin your marriage?
@@kirbo4252 they kept Santiago and wife left
GUYS GUYS GUYS! AT THE LAST BOSS FIGHT IN FRONTIERS, SONIC REALIZES HE CAN'T WIN AND SAYS,
"Gah! I can't win without... Myself!"
And then Classic Sonic comes out.
And they both makeout.
THE END
NO FUCKING WAY
WtF?!
That's so goddamn autophiliac
That does not happen in sonic games what are you talking about?
This defensive behavior not only happens with Sonic, I have received similar responses to comments I made, sometimes not even stuff as minor as a slight redesign; I once complained about a game getting day one dlc and a couple of people got defensive because it wasn't a lot of content being locked behind a paywall, as if that somehow makes it okay to cut content from a game to sell it separately.
Not a bad discussion, but I do think this was at least a little one-sided. While I agree Santiago just existing has made the more "optimistic" side of the fandom way more defensive and short-tempered, I can't help but notice you've neglected to talk about how it's affected the "pessimistic" side's train of thought as well.
A fair amount of fans on the Santiago gravy train I've seen to be quite pretentious. I remember a Twitter user recently made a Gens Classic Sonic appreciation post - which wasn't made to push any message or agenda, or target any group of fans in particular - and their replies got absolutely swamped with the meme, usually with the caption "He tricked you!"
They found it quite disheartening, especially since it kept happening after their request to stop posting the meme in the replies. Jinjin quote tweeted the post as well, but pretty sure he only did so just to take in how well his meme had spread, rather than telling people to stop annoying them. Take that for what you will.
There's also a tweet from SNick, reading:
"Santiago is an in-genuine Sonic, the one that's driven by the sole purpose of corporate nostalgia and nothing more, passion being sacrificed for that of greed."
I mean, you can critique the design and its appearances all you want, but it's just so hyperbolic, way too dramatised. Again, take that for what you will.
I feel there's also a point to be made about condensing design or writing issues into end-all terms, like "Mary Sue", "CalArts", or, to use another Sonic-based example, "momentum", where the term is repeated so often, that it eventually loses its meaning and turns from *constructive* to *destructive.*
It ends up making people more close-minded about the media they consume and disregarding the developers' intentions, while it can also be confusing or pressuring for fans who just want to have peaceful discussions about the thing they like.
Well, that's my 2 cents on the whole thing. I have nothing else to add lol.
About the fandom being unavailable to discuss, the reused levels for the Cyberspace zones topic rings a bell to me.
I commented on a video that despite everything, the cyberspace recycling sucks. And people got mad at me, like geeez I know is just a bit from the game and that the real focus are the open area with grass but still, it baffles me how my first impression about something is capable of pissing people
Honestly, I think those fans are just trying to suppress others.
They know it's crap, they know it's not acceptable, but they don't want to have to acknowledge it.
The worst part is the older fans with a large platform are essentially protecting them, just so they can continue to moan about the 2000s fans.
All I'll say about these fans that are going around suppressing more critical fans, they have no right to EVER crap on the 2000s games ever again (even the bad games).
For all the garbage I've seen them excuse in the past two years (with Colors Ultimate, Origins and now Frontiers).
I do not want to EVER see them moan about those 2000s games ever again.
Those apologists have lost the right to be taken seriously.
Proving they do NOT care about quality.
Loved how Mark (Certainly not you) managed to get the fandom upset with one tweet.
(I already quite a lot of things there is to see in frontiers but even then, I don't have enough time in my day to get annoyed over a tweet.)
I’m strongly convinced that 70-80% of Sonic fans have their standards set so high, that they don’t even know what makes a Sonic game good anymore.
8:50 Ngl, personally, hearing about how the fanbase doesn't like criticism always seems baffling to me, since everywhere I go, I often see or hear more people dumping on the series, especially within the fanbase itself, than defending it.
Both sides exist and they're both annoying, but people end up cherry picking one side and try to make the other side look worse
I feel like its mostly cause of people like game grumps who just never-endingly shit on sonic for no real reason other than they played sonic 06 that one time. Believe me though, the side that defends the games to the total extreme do exist, Im friends with one of them and they unironically are in the boat of "IGN made sonic frontiers look bad like they did with unleashed"
Santiago saved someone's life. It's a good thing now.
I think people on Twitter are just insane in general.
They even insulted Annie Frank because "she was white" 💀
the tale of splash dash's imposter - ls mark
Didn’t classic sonic show up in the Archie comics in 2009? Or are we just talking about the main canon
My theory is Santiago is Sonic's Nobody.
I love this meme💀
i just hate that it always has to be this big drama. taking that eggman logo example, yeah its a funny little oversight but the tweet pointing it out says "theres no way they fucked up this hard" as if it's this major blight that ruins the entire package. yeah nitpick, point out flaws, but like everyone on every "side" needs to just chill
When Generations was released, they announced Classic Sonic, inspired by the 90's design
The thing is that Classic Sonic from Gens is different from the Classic Sonic from the 90's
Most of the examples are that Gens Classic has a lighter shade of blue, the 3D models are inaccurate to the og design and has no charisma, he acts cute when the OG Classic never did as much, he doesnt talk while OG Classic did.
This has been for a while but the Santiago meme is the peak, idk how it started but its a clear critic saying Gens Classic is not OG Classic, saying he is.... god dammit I cant belive Im gonna say it, an impostor , and his true name is Santiago and he replaced the true OG Classic Soni
As a guy named santiago, I don't know how I feel.
💀
The worst part about this whole thing is that even the most casual Sonic fans know the Santiago meme, and use it as an easy low bar joke to make at any situation discussing classic Sonic. Kinda what happened with the Snapcube fandubs. They are amazing, but whenever a conversation about SA2, Shadow, or Eggman reaches the ears of a very casual fan, they immediately rely on the memes derived from the dubs.
Tldr, filthy casuals ruin everything :^)
Over a year ago I ended up in a discussion concerning dark age games and how Shadow's game had some good ideas at certain points but was ultimately let down by, well, everything, then suddenly 2 weeks ago I just get a reply from some rando and all he's doing is quoting the new fandub. Nothing interesting to add to the convo, just repeating a joke everyone heard. It didn't ruin my day but it sure is annoying.
Literally had no idea who Santiago was until now but I got say, he is one interesting man
9:33 this whole thing just makes me imagine that death note scene where Light gets his memory back by touching the death note
The thing that irks me about the Eggman logo thing was...honestly...the phrasing of the tweet.
"wow, there's no way they screwed up that badly"
I and many others looked at the picture and went "...I don't get it, what's the issue?".
We literally had to be told what the issue was.
At that point, why make a big deal out of it?
Like, if the person had said something like "Anyone else noticed that Origins used the wrong logo?", or "They used the wrong Eggman logo in Origins lmao", I wouldn't have been all that bothered.
But they seemingly made it seem like a big deal, which...was it? Was it _really?_
As much as I couldn't care less about Classic Sonic design debates (both because I'm not all that well versed in character design, and because... I just didn't really care), I could at least see where people are coming from.
But this just seemed like a genuinely needless nitpick.
To be clear, I don't think that the person who made the tweet was going out of their way to be malicious or anything of the sort.
I just think that either:
A) They made a mountain out of a molehill in the heat of the moment, or
B) They wanted to bring attention to a minor mistake and just made a goof up in their wording.
Sonic Didn't went missing. Sonic has evolved into modern version but thinks that santiago is his younger self.
Sonic fans must have allot of free time
Santiago made me realize that Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic aren't that differents.
honestly people should really gibe their own criticisms regardless of how minor or major it is and not just focus on vitriolically defending the game from obvious bait as free advertisement
i felt this with halo infinite- also another game that turned a series into an open world with some new mechanics and nostalgic callbacks. halo is more well regarded than sonic is even in the 2010's but just like sonic, a shift happened and a complete misunderstanding of what made it great warped the franchise into a series filled with mediocre games, which is weird cause the halo trilogy is the cornerstone of modern video games
in this case, a guy says "where's all the detail" comparing it to call of duty where the spartan shoots the fruit and people suddenly come to hound on the guy, yet become ignorant to the fact that the game comes with severe, crippling flaws that would make the game go from 200,000 people at lunch to single digit thousands.
- what happened after halo 5? they just gloss over it despite directly basing events off of it
- what happened to cortana? why is she replaced by literally paimon from genshin impact?
- where are the other game modes? infection? shotty snipers? oh, after launch? sure. launch came almost a year ago. where is infection?
- why is there only one biome with only a day and night setting? ironically, frontiers is releasing with five different original islands, with more dynamic weather lmaoooo
hell while not open and large, previous halo games have such a wide variety of locales that it's kinda weird to see only one for this title
while i'd still be down to play frontiers, i was also down to play halo thinking it was gonna be great. it WAS great, but it was crippled by problems that were on our face that no one brought to light. how saddening that many others have to eagerly wait for mediocre releases of many franchises with some exceptions and all we can do to have a semblance of quality and grandness is look back to when they made those with these qualities
I Think Santiago Is Classic Sonic But A New Design
9:47
“Santiago saved a life that day. I think that’s important to remember”
Why is that funny?!
I hate all (organic) Sonic's equally, because they all oppose Eggman and by extension, Metal Sonic, the best character in gaming history.
I have a Santiago plush from Walmart, it looks like it’s trying to look like Sonic, yet ultimately fails by looking like an image converted into a plushie with “hedgehog quills” that stick out from the side of his head.
He’s locked up in my closet as of now
Edit: after hearing he saved someone’s life I let him out
That Santiago coma story goes very hard ngl.
Grate video, but I do have one nitpick. though. Santiago is more of a cyan then a lighter shade of blue/indigo. While cyan looks like a lighter blue, it's a completely different hue on the color wheel.
it's kind of the equivalent of saying yellow is a lighter shade of orange. like I said, it's a nitpick bit I just wanted to point that out.
The Sonic Unleashed night time music is perfect for a classy murder mystery XD
Ironically, the renders that people complain about use a completely different model compared to what you see in the game itself
Average Sonic Fans: NOOOOOOOO! SANTIAGO ISN'T FUNNY SHUT UP
Average Sonic Enjoyer: *S A N T I A G O*
SplashDash you better watch your back, cause Santiago does not like when he's critized/bothered! Also, he's genius when it comes by making massacres without leaving a trace of their victims!
I don't really meme on the design, I criticize the personality (as if there is any). He's personality in Generations and Forces is equivalent to a bottle of water. All he does is stand there with a dumb smirk. While Classic Sonic he has a personality, He's a rebellious adventure who doesn't like being told what to do. He has a big heart who cares for his friends to the point where he would sacrifice his life to save him or even the world. Classic Sonic in JP was cool by being cool Classic Sonic in the US was cool by acting cool. (this was just an excuse to talk about classic sonic personality lol)
I've talked to the dude who reposted the meme (nick) and it's basically that on top of the model
Just that Twitter as a platform and Twitter users hate reading short essaies (threads) so he doesn't do it publicly
Keep in mind generations was a time paradox. In forces its almost like they treat classic sonic as a whole separate character. 🤨
Multiverse theory's a bitch
Wow. People can get mad over a shitty meme? Bruh, what has the internet come to?
Who let the *babies* on Twitter?
...How did I not notice you were Mark until that Story Trailer response bit?!
Anyway, I'm glad Santiago's father made it out of the crash and it is so weirdly wholesome to have his memories come back that way. Seriously, I couldn't help but smile. I hope he just deleted his Twitter for the sake of getting away from the very community both treating it as gospel AND pretending it's a hit piece so the dude can recover and have a great life.
I definitely prefer Sonic's Saturn era expressiveness to what he is now, but it's still Classic Sonic at the end of the day for me, so either way it's fine.
As much as I criticize the design of Santiago, if he was able to do right by someone in the world, then he's alright in my book
Your take on frontiers later on in the video was great, watched your reaction to the trailer live and I have to agree, the story trailer has minimal to no story
Sonic fans are either over protecting the franchise or over criticizing. Hella toxic isn't it?
I honest to god first thought the name was just referring to the "new" Classic Sonic being too "cutesy", not really anything design-related (aside from maybe being a lighter blue which, I kinda just took as a necessity).
And while, yea, that's definitely an issue, this isn't really the only example of flanderization in the series, and it's especially visible in Forces where he has no point aside from tying Mania down to Forces even though Forces itself was supposed to be its own, grandiose, *new* thing.
Criticism is important, but it needs to be well-targetted, otherwise you miss the point and make yourself just look like a fool. People taking the Santiago meme too literally is just another case of BringBackNationalDex to me: an understandable cause brought down by people completely missing the point and going way overboard with it.
Modern Sonic isn't Santiago's older brother, If they are brothers how are they in a another universe? Plus why would Santiago's older brother save people if Santiago hates people? And how can Sonic disappear from his own game and Santiago took over of his own game? Plus the Multiverse of Sonic exists so that is just Classic Sonic. PLUS people loved the Sonic Generations game so they practically love Classic Sonic which is a so called fake "Santiago" and Multiverses make Sonic or other people look different like Doctor Strange, Sinister Strange, Supreme Strange, Defender Strange and Zombie Strange They all look different so Sonic has a little twin that can't talk and has Light blue hair another example, In Spider-Man No Way Home Tobey Andrew and Tom and the other 2 Spider-Men are from a another universe Ned opened a portal for those 2 to come to Tom's Universe see what I am saying right now? So Santiago is fake. I said the proof, you can't deny it.
Apparently Sega might be making this a canon character, since in the old version of sonic speed simulator, there was a message under the bridge that said “santiago is gone”. (Or it’s just for the memes)
kinda glad you brought up the issue with sonic fans being defensive since its been hell ever since frontiers due to them defending the shit out of it
Santiago is a cool guy. He doesn't hate you, he just has difficulties making his dream of being one of the successful kids a reality and stays silent out of self-frustration that his biggest sparks of glory were carried by nostalgiafests. Also, not his fault that Forces sucked, no caps. I wouldn't have liked the game any more with him removed.
Without jokes tho, I sorta wish they actually let Classic Sonic just being Sonic, instead of just making him the stereotype of cartoon Mickey(which is not even true btw, the classic Mickey-design has actually been used in serious contexts with a wide range of emotions, like in the Epic Mickey games). Why no attitude?
This is definitely not LS Mark's second channel
I've seen some people trying to explain in the most respectful way why they don't like the fact that Sonic Team's recycling classic levels (again) (for the fourth time) and yet they still get a fuckton of pricks who can't just agree to disagree with other people and feel the need to pull the "SONIC FANS WILL NEVER BE SATISFIED GRRR" card everytime they see any form of criticism to Frontiers. Discussing with Sonic fans is just annoying no matter how hard you try to not hurt their feelings
"I FOUND YOU, FAKER!"
"Faker? I think YOU'RE the fake hedgehog around here! YOU comparing yourself to ME? HA!! you're not even good enough to be my fake!"
"I'LL MAKE YOU EAT THESE WORDS!!!!"
Damn bro, a sonic meme brought someone's memory back