'Mushroom-Enhanced' Pilot Attempts to Shut Down Airplane Engines in Flight | Joseph Emerson Analysis
Вставка
- Опубліковано 24 жов 2023
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze case of Joseph Emerson?
Support Dr. Grande on Patreon: / drgrande
Subscribe to the Bella Grande Media Podcast: / @bellagrandemedia
Dr. Grande’s book Harm Reduction:
www.amazon.com/Harm-Reduction...
Dr. Grande's book Psychology of Notorious Serial Killers: www.amazon.com/Psychology-Not...
Check out Dr. Grande’s merchandise at: teespring.com/stores/dr-grand...
References:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...
wpde.com/news/nation-world/co...
cbsaustin.com/news/nation-wor...
www.cbsnews.com/news/alaska-a...
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...
www.businessinsider.com/off-d...
www.washingtonpost.com/transp...
The FAA regulates what depression meds pilots can take, in attempts to weed out depressed pilots, but it does discourage depressed pilots from seeking help.
What depression meds do they disallow?
They really shouldn’t allow depressed pilots to fly. It’s nothing personal, but a serious safety issue.
Holy shit makes me not want to fly x10 now
“Joseph was kicked out of the cockpit, mostly due to him trying to kill everyone on board the plane” 🤣🤣 Love it Dr G!
I Came for the crime but I’ve stayed for the brilliant wit & deadpan sarcasm 👍👍🤣
I live in the arctic and always fly Alaska. My husband was also a pilot. The pilots that fly above the arctic circle take extra training and are so sharp. Not every pilot can just fly anywhere at anytime.
I said all of that to say it's a very sad day when a great pilot has an emotional crisis. It's sad for his/her family and frightening for passengers involved. I feel really bad about it.
yep. A whole section in the FAA training for PPL specifically for Alaska pilots.
@susanfanning9480 Since he wasn't flying at that time, he knew full well that he should not be on that flight, having had psychedelics within 48 hrs prior to boarding that plane. I feel very sad for the passengers and for his family, but I don't feel badly for him.
He took psychedelics, that isn’t an organic mental breakdown.
It seems he's one of these people who, being suicidal, wants to take a whole lot of innocent people with him. And he is fighting the charges. I find it difficult to sympathize.
Depression and psychedelics might unleash existing compulsions but they don't create them. There are no excuses for his behaviour. He's dangerous.
Remember this next time calls any form of drug use or possession a "victimless" crime.
I think you also need to consider the strict rules for pilots. They cannot seek help or meds without losing their licenses.
I am sure that is NOT TRUE !!!
That crossed my mind. Was the guy the main breadwinner for his family? Were mushrooms a shortcut or a desperate attempt to keep the wheels on his family's wagon?
@@lesliefitzgerald2354 You don't know much about the yearly FAA medical evaluation.
@@lesliefitzgerald2354 💯 at the very least he would be suspended.
@@pamlove421no he could literally lose his job and have be flagged an issue for all future projects. It’s the same in the military. If you admit you’re struggling, you get punished for it.
It seems that the fact he didn’t sleep for 40 hours could lead to hallucinations!
Exactly my thought. Combine that with 'shrooms (which could have cleared his system by then but who knows) and that's a recipe for disaster.
The lack of sleep for 40 hours would be much more likely to cause psychosis than some shrooms taken the day prior to the event. It's not like he was high on the shrooms at the time. They are probably the reason he didn't sleep for so long though, that's common.
You are unbelievable. Pretty sure it was the shrooms. So, it was the lack of sleep, not the drugs. Right?!
@@Straightjacket154shrooms last 8 hours.....
@@originalmetalman9430
So you think that frequent use of hallucinogenic drugs won’t permanently damage your brain?
Glad Joseph was able to communicate with both Pilots and Flight Crew when he was "not ok. •••its going to get bad." It gave the Crew the time to correctly counteract his dangerous behavior.
That’s true! I hope they take that into account. He did really well to verbalize as much as he did, in my opinion.
I have explored some psychedelics before, and I think, while I’ve definitely never put anyone’s life at risk, it’s probably not uncommon to have a moment where you’re like, am I going to freak out right now? Things feel intense; should I interpret this as something to panic about? But then, you just breathe, and remind yourself that everything is going to be fine, you just need to focus on something else, and things will shift in a less intense direction. And so it is.
Side note: This is a really good reminder that psychedelics are not a safe lesson plan for every learner. To paraphrase a famous sage, The Magic Theatre is not for everyone.
Many different religious traditions have a component where they talk about not showing up to the wedding without the proper garments - this can be interpreted as being a warning not to sign up for a more advanced/intense mental triathlon than your brain has been training for. When I used to use psychedelics, I would make sure I had been doing 20min of transcendental meditation (the only method that’s been clinically shown to catalyze physiological changes in the brain) every day for at least a month, prior to dropping. I have been able to talk myself through some intense learning experiences, so I feel like it’s served me well, as a preventative mental health strategy.
Are you serious? He tried to open the plane door too. Not just shut the engines off.
@@sarahissersohn5495Oh Sarah,Sarah….!
@@sarahissersohn5495are you on drugs now? He wasn’t a “learner” and psychedelics aren’t a “lesson plan”
The "Doc" nailed it!! Half of Congress will still be trying to run the country 309 years from now 😅
Unfortunately with advances in genetic engineering they may actually succeed
As correctly predicted by Futurama.
There should be term limits, unfortunately though they would never agree to that as they would have to limit themselves
This part got me 🤣
Reverse the Citizens United decision and also get Ranked Choice Voting and a good deal of the problem would be resolved
I did laugh out loud at that "Frontier Bearlines" joke. Well done, sir!
I thought he said, struck and killed the mayor 😲
We all did 😊
IKR 😂
Please don't encourage the therapist.
What if a bear went through one of those engines? During certification of an engine design, dead chickens are shot into the test engine to simulate a bird strike. A bird strike can destroy the engine completely but the failure must not be bad enough to destroy the rest of the aircraft. I.E. the pieces of the destroyed engine shouldn't be ejected outward to become shrapnel.
Bears are much bigger and heavier than any bird alive today.
The effects of magic mushrooms are done about 6 hours after taking them. This guy took them 2 days before the incident. The “not sleeping for 40 hours” would be the cause for his behavior, not the mushrooms.
Hang on there- this can vary really widely from person to person. I know people who have taken higher doses/amounts of mushrooms, and tripped for 2 days straight. I was always a lot more moderate, so my experiences have been a lot closer to the timeline you reference, but just know that human variance covers a lot of ground
From someone who trips a lot - you’re not tripping for two days unless you’re taking something every few hours. I’ve taken the heroic doses and beyond and 12 hours is about the longest they will last and the last few hours are not that intense although it h you certainly won’t be sleeping. Either you are BS’ing or you were BS’d.
@@sarahissersohn5495 I’d be more inclined to believe that 40+ hours of sleep deprivation did what it is commonly known to do, than to speculate about a substance randomly lasting 7 times longer than normal.
Those new methrooms.
Regardless of how long the chemical effects of mushrooms last, they can trigger underlying things in some people depending on their body chemistry, psychological circumstances, and a complex confluence of other variables. Magic mushrooms can trigger panic attacks or temporary psychosis which in turn can trigger longer lasting mental health breakdowns that continue long after the chemical effects of the drug have subsided. Talk to any ER doctor and they will tell you how many people have come in with mental breakdowns after eating mushrooms. It seems obvious to me that is what happened with Joe.
This is just so sad. I’m so grateful he wasn’t able to disable the plane. We just never know what any human being is going through at any moment. Be safe out there…. All of us. 😢✌️✌️
It doesn't help that some work environments groom a person into believing they need to be machines to do their jobs. Workers, beware. Been there, done that.....and it was a rude awakening.
Good homework on aircraft system descriptions Dr Grande. I'm a retired airline pilot and my whole career was flying safe. In 1991 I lost my wife and father 5 weeks apart. My Chief Pilot pulled me off the line and demanded I take time off for "mental health" repair. After 11 days I called him and told him plug me into the schedule, I'm better off taking care of my passengers than feeling sorry for myself. Everybody is different in this regard but you can bet if a pilot answers truthfully on his/her medical report with mental health questions they will get the certified letter from Oklahoma City suspending their medical. I feel bad for commuting airline pilots, this event will make the government take a knee jerk reaction to cockpit access for commuting pilots, similar to what they did to us on 9/11. I don't know how this guy got to the point of desperation but I can tell you dealing with mental health issues on a pilot standpoint and government involvement is a lose-lose situation for a pilot. You'll be done a a commercial pilot.
That's such a shame
that's insane that pilots are going through this with losing medical? america needs universal healthcare already, this shit is dark sided.
So, admit that you need medical, and they take your medical away? Nuts. As a flight attendant, when I was in a dark place my supervisor was incredibly supportive. Still, I would have gotten EVERY LAST LIVING BEING off a threatened plane, I just wouldn't have cared about myself. Pilots should receive EXTRA concern and care. This is messed up!❤
And their career as a pilot should and must be over and they should work on something else where public safety is not on jeopardy.
@@exceptionaltalentspc4954For this guy, 100% agree.
But, in general, I think pilots need better mental health support without the fear of permanently losing their careers.
Hats off the the flight crew response.
Your identically consistent opening and closing remarks are very comforting to those of us on the autistic spectrum.
This.
Really? I’m a sperg and I always like blunt openings.
Plus all the quips 😁
I suspect that Dr. G is also on the spec. 😁
@@leannemo7382Could be, he has a very analytical mind and doesnt really seem to have a lot of affect. Common among autistic folks but one cant know for certain. Some folks are just wired differently
It’s tough to watch a decent individual do something that will no doubt cost him so much.
How do you know he's a "decent individual"??
Clearly not a decent person. No one who is decent will pilot a plane on mushrooms.
@@lubtv8792 it's not the 'shrooms I'm worried about. He tried to shut down the engines. With another in command of the aircraft with 83 souls onboard.
He sucks. Hope he takes to Ubering. He'll be doing a lot of it.
@@lubtv8792he wasn't piloting the plane. He was a passenger.
decent / descent
Dr. Grande, the consistency with which you release thorough, captivating and thought-provoking content is simply unmatched. You provide so much value. Very thankful for you and your work!
Great words. You're right.
Well said! I agree! My whole family loves Dr. Grande!
It's crazy; how is he able to put out SO much content?! I love it!
This world just keeps giving him so much content to choose from 😂😂
Yep!
Never speak to cops without a lawyer present, no matter what.
I told them I want to remain silent and use the 5th amendment, they continued pestering me with question I looked up and smiled and asked are you serious? Didn’t I just tell u that I plead the 5th. Why are you continuously violating my rights?
Out of all the places not to be on mushrooms, the cockpit of an airliner might top the list.
Supposedly he claimed he took them 48 hours earlier, they're hard to test for so we'll never really know, but if he did take them that much earlier, he was *not* high during the flight. Just 40 hours of no sleep and severely depressed/mentally fragile made him go suicidal.
You are the first person I have heard outside of the aviation enthusiasts circles to address the communication issues seen with Frontier Bearlines. Thank you 🙏
The part with that at least half of the people of congress will still be in office part took me of guard. Laught out of controll. Well played dr Grande, well played.
I did mushrooms 🍄 in college once. The ceiling was dripping to the floor and time didn’t exist. I wouldn’t have been able to fly a plane. (..then again I can’t fly a plane ✈️ sober)
😂
I've done them a handful of times, but always in a safe, controlled environment. Never ever would I do them in public though, that's crazy
I knew someone in college who flew a small plane and notoriously mushrooms were the least of what he did. He was always trying to get people to go up with him…I always graciously declined lol. I did them but always with others on the ground in a controlled group
Mushrooms sound like fun.
😂😂😂
He might've been onboard Alaska Airlines but in his mind it was The Magic School Bus.
This story puts the term " Plane Trip" in a whole new perspective!
Once again, thank you so much for the consistently great content and professional commentary Dr G! ❤
Joesph was really flying high on his trip
ugh
Looks like things really mushroomed out of control on that flight
I am just baffled with some of the responses here defending using SHROOMS. How would these people that are saying it’s harmless like it if the bus driver taking their kid to school was high and just ran the bus into a tree - harming bus load of innocent kids? Or your surgeon about to operative on your heart high? This is one of the issues with legalizing THC, SHROOMS ETC. There is no good, quick test for them. Also I have worked in the mental health profession for years, and sometimes, if there is an underlying mental disorder then add THC, SHROOMS to the mix, it’s like throwing gasoline on a lit match. Thank you Dr. Grande for pointing out some of the issues with legalization.
I've climbed big walls in yosemite on mushrooms. It increased my focus. I've taken them for over 10 years and nothing even remotely like what happened to the pilot in this video has ever happened to me. I have yet to have a hallucination on them. I don't think it's a good idea to be operating a plane or motor vehicle on them. Risking yourself is one thing, risking others is another. Psychedelics can absolutely induce psychosis in people with underlying conditions, diagnosed or not, like schizophrenia. I'm not defending using shrooms, but I don't think it's any worse than weed. Neither is advisable but both are far better than alcohol. Without further details if I had to guess causation for the pilot based on available information I would say it's being awake for 40 hours, although I'm sure shrooms only exacerbated that. Stay up that long and you will start to hallucinate. I've been up for two-days and I started to have aural hallucinations -- mild whispering in the hallway. Drugs, not good. Sleep deprivation, bad. Alcohol, very, very bad.
Thank you, juliereyes8783! The fact that people are defending taking mushrooms and how safe they are makes me concerned for their judgement. Pilot's on hallucinogenics even for recreation is deeply troubling. Thank you, Dr. Grande! This is a very concerning matter.
I think his actions have far more to do with not sleeping for 40 hours than mushrooms.
Agreed, and also suffering depression for six months.
From what I've read elsewhere, the mushrooms were likely the reason he wasn't able to sleep for 40 hours.
@@thelogicaldangerI've never heard of insomnia being a side-effect of psilocybin mushrooms.
I'm not doubting you read that, but I do doubt the veracity of that assertion.
@@raymondvunk7123 I don't know anything about magic mushrooms, so believed what I was read. Although it did strike me as strange, I've also never before heard of magic mushrooms keeping people up for days, like meth would .
@@raymondvunk7123 one thing that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere in the news reporting on this story is whether or not he actually took psilocybin mushrooms. Where did he get them? Were they dried mushroom material, or mushroom infused chocolates? There are a lot of products on the market these days that contain synthetic psychedelics like 4-AcO-DMT marketed as psilocybin, but there is no lab testing or quality control. Who knows what Emerson actually took and how much.
I am a landlady and one of my tenants on mushrooms flipped out one day and threatened to attack me because he thought I touched his laundry. Paranoia and illogical thinking are definitely side effects.
That's one case. Here in Vancouver mushrooms are common and we have zero social problems and few health issues in the community. Alcohol is (and data backs it up) far more of a social/health problem than both Cannabis and mushrooms combined.
Yeah that sounds like a mentally unstable person who happened to take mushrooms.
Doctor, it's amazing the amount of data and by inference the amount of analysis you did in such a relatively short period of time.
I'm always impressed with Dr Grande's research when it comes to technical areas outside of his expertise. He does a good job of researching and presenting accurate information.
Nobody knows anybody's fullest extents of expertise. There are many autodidacts and polymaths who live among us. @@skyhawk_4526
He has a team that works for him, as do most UA-camrs with channels this size.
Speaking of congress, he should have just said he thought the red fire handle was how you open the door…
We made a big mistake here in Oregon voting for the mushroom law, big boo-boo. Growing up my parents thought all drugs should be legalized, thinking it was like prostitution that it’s a libertarian type decision. However, we learn now that when we legalize all these things there are horrible ramifications.
It’s destroyed Portland. Businesses have left and the only people left are those strung out on heroin and fentanyl. Looks like the Walking Dead.
You guys have made LOTS of mistakes in Oregon. But don't feel too bad; I'm from California. We've done worse.
I've done mushrooms many times. Before ever trying them I did a good deal of research and learned what I would be in for. My first trip pulled me out of the deepest depression I ever experienced. All of my trips have been the most beautiful experiences of my life. I remember one night I walked to the beach and took an eighth. It was warm that night, the moon illuminated the sand with a soft glow as the ocean air rolled in. I went for a three hour walk alone. I'm not a believer in god and generally believe life is suffering, a sort of existential prison where our lives are mostly consumed with tediousness and a dreary Sisyphusian cycle of working jobs we hate simply to keep ourselves alive just to do it over and over and over again. But that night I was in the presence of God. I experienced something a person like me never does: Real joy, an overwhelming gratitude for being alive. The feeling endures long after the trip and breathes life into an otherwise often grey existence. Psychedelics are deeply meaningful to so many us.
I realize this incident was profoundly scary and it saddens me mushrooms were involved. But he made a ton of mistakes and did not have respect for these compounds or for the principle of set and setting. He chose to have his first psychedelic experience while being incredibly sleep deprived in a cockpit of an airline... to anyone who's done a minutes worth of research you'd know what a horrible decision that is. I realize plenty of people don't do their research and behave wrecklessly. This is a problem for the idea of legalization, no doubt. But for those of us who have respect for these compounds they are truly like nothing else in this world. They offer us a glimpse at a world beyond our own, a deep feeling that there is something sacred within us and all around us.
I hope we can all understand the complicated nature of these compounds and remember that for every nightmare incident like this there are thousands of beautiful and life transforming experiences happening all over the globe. They just don't make the news.
Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Can there be nuance? Scared of things you don’t understand. Go drink your beer like a good outstanding and conforming American. The acceptable way to cope with things.
These things would happen regardless of legality. Look at our opioid crisis brought on by our medical professionals/drug dealers in lab coats and big Pharma. Much worse issue and psilocybin has way more medical benefits than opioids. If only the federal red tape would allow us to study them more maybe people like you would know more.
Honestly, we weren’t prepared (Portlander here). If it was pre-planned better with checks and balances it probably would’ve gone really well. Treatment and impact panels instead of jail has shown phenomenal differences. Idk what’s going on with our addiction funding (and I work in the field!) but it’s low, and no one wants to address it.
Also, Oregon’s known for its extensive-ish studies going back decades with solid evidence supporting psychedelic therapy. BUT! They’ve been silenced. And the studies are only extensive-ish because even today, scientists keep cranking out evidence and reports but the funding stops just short of actually publishing these findings. We have the answers right here in the PNW, and possibly the cure to cancer in…idk…Michigan or something. But the “powers that be” never seem to provide enough funding for actual publishing 🧐
I think it’s possible the mushrooms were counterproductive in addressing his issues but the particular mental break that led to his actions during the flight probably had more to do with not sleeping for 40 hours.
I 100% agree. The shrooms just exacerbated that. I think shrooms were secondary at best in terms of causation, but much better for click bait headlines.
83 counts! Wooo boy don’t take shrooms and fly folks. Loved the congress joke. So true
Holland experimented with legalizing mushrooms and marijuana. They thought that regulating these substances would be more effective than criminalizing them. After a few years mushrooms had caused problems in many emergency rooms. The amazingly rational Dutch, recriminalized mushrooms but kept marijuana legal.
Not exactly.... Due to loophole in the law, "truffles" are still openly sold despite having the same psychoactive chemicals as the mushrooms - they're just a different part of the same fungus.
I did not know that, but I checked, and you are right. Thanks, brother@@dingo137
It's because dumbass tourists used them irresponsibly. Truffles contain psilocybin as well and are still legal.
Here in Vancouver we have cannabis and mushrooms everywhere. No social problems from it or increased crime. Zero. You're welcome to visit our clean, community-orientated dispensaries for both substances. No problems here in Vancouver!
@@frijolero6048 From the information I found, in Vancouver psilocybin is not legal but exemptions for people needing it for depression or end-of-life or other psychological problems can be exempted from the ban. The 2022 article I found enumerated about 80 people who had been helped--things may have drastically changed since then. This is a cautious well-thought-out approach, designed to maximize the benefits to those in need. The Netherlands legalized the substance, which produced an influx of tourism from other countries. The tourists had mixed motivations and knowledge of the substance and wound up in crisis more often than the Netherlanders were willing to accept. Hence, they re-restricted most forms of psilocybin. Apparently, magic truffles are still legal.
Another thing to worry about…Is my pilot trippin???!
🌵 👓 ✈️ 🪄
Thats a switch.
What confuses me is that if Joseph took mushrooms days before the incident, they should have been out of his system by the time he had to fly
Hes probably just using the shrooms as an excuse, a way to lessen his guilt and for a lot of these comments its worked. I wanna see the cockpit video like how hard was it to keep him from crashing the plane? Dude just screwed up his whole life, lucky he was in the bucket seat and not actually flying, wow 😳
He also hadn't slept in 40 hours.
@@yowgyrl and convinced he was going through a breakdown for potentially several months
Yes 100%. Dude was a dumbass for taking the shrooms being a pilot, but definitely out of his system after a day or so. Crazy story
Psychedelics can trigger psychological episodes and those don't have a half life. Since he had underlying mental health issues, I'm not at all surprised this happened.
Insightful analysis! Enjoyed the Halloween decorations in the background❤
Finding a precedent for doing something like this guy did on the airplane, is going to be very, very tough.
Mushrooms just don't cause that sort of effect. Especially as an after effect, meaning after the high goes away, 6 to 7 hours and the high is gone.
Those 90 seconds of mayhem are really going to sting.
Says he wont fight charges, pleads not guilty.
Don't forget it was his first time. He probably didn't know what to expect and actually thought he was in a dream, or that everything was all in his mind, or who knows. The first time can be confusing if you don't know what to expect. Yananamean? ;D
yes, he is a total JERK, putting it mildly not to be censored.
@@mistrjt9213 He took them 48 hours before the incident, his high was long gone. The trip might have brought his serious mental issues to the forefront, and without any comedown guidance and with 40 hours without sleep, possibly made made him psychotic and suicidal. That's some insane shit by god, but he wasn't actually high on the plane.
this guy was as stupid as they come. good thing he's no longer a pilot. he can blame it on anything he wants.
Well they then filed like 90 charges. 😅
I've taken mushrooms many times. They're very helpful if you have persistent depression or late-stage PTSD. I've never seen anyone who's on them lose touch with reality to the point where they would do something like this. I seriously doubt the shrooms had much to do with it. It's like he said, he's having a nervous breakdown and hadn't slept for 40 hours.
Yup. Psychedelics are the only thing that have made my PTSD symptoms manageable.
It's interesting how many people think that "I've never seen that happen" is a good reason to think "That never happens".
He supposedly took them 48 hours before the incident, and he claimed he took them, could be a weak try at legal defense. Either way if he took them 48 hours before he wasn't high anymore. Just insanely deep into some bad mental health issues and no sleep, bad combination.
@@uniquechannelnames One of the side effects listed was protracted psychosis.
Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! Your true fans love your humour and sarcasm!
even if the person isn’t a killer, the morals and standards they learn from their parents can cause them to act like this when situations fall below norms. good parenting is the only thing that can prevent mental illness and bad morals from taking shape
i love you doctor, please continue educating
Props to Grande for saying "frontier bearlines" with a straight face.
As an autistic person I can truthfully say that mushrooms have been a valuable tool in helping me establish relationships with the world and people around me. I feel really sad that this incident took place, because this person's irresponsible use casts us in a negative light, that those of us who use this are not concerned with the safety and well being of our community. Nothing could be further from the truth.
You're not flying a plane or driving a bus full of passengers though
Im on the spectrum as well, i have no access to mushrooms so how do you get some???.
@vice2versa when you meet new acquaintances and coworkers n stuff, you can ask if they partake in shrooms and if they can help you n.n or you can figure out how to grow them at home
Always trying to make shrooms and whatnot fit. You are all the same. Worse than door to door religion.
I have suffered depression and anxiety all my life. I’ve tried everything- went to talk therapy for years. Tried mushrooms and they worked somewhat but made me tired. So I tried microdosing LSD - works well but I have to cycle on and off it because the body builds tolerance to LSD as well as mushrooms quickly to the point there is no effect at all. So in my experience that’s the biggest problem with using them on a daily basis and may be the reason LSD and mushrooms may never become widely used to treat mental conditions. I must say though whenever I’ve used either, hurting anybody is the furthest thing from my mind. Quite the opposite actually. I feel more connected and compassion for others. This pilot had issues well beyond mushrooms. I’ve never herd mushrooms implicated in any violent crime in my life. Also both are next to impossible to over dose on. But it goes without saying that a pilot or anybody entrusted with others lives should not be using them or any other psychiatric drug. I don’t want a pilot flying a plane I’m flying on taking Prozac or any other antidepressant anymore than I would want them taking LSD or mushrooms.
Thank goodness that he didn’t freak out like that when he was in charge of flying a plane. Great video as always Dr. grande. Maybe you could do a video on your favorite horror movies. ‘tis the season for watching scary stuff and of course sporting the jack-o’-lantern shirts.
that would open a completely new hell, seriously analyzing people from movies, especially from the bad ones :D
Dr. Grande is truly a master of dry humor 😂
Hard to hate this guy because he did sound the alarm. He instantly knew that he was not okay and that his current mental state posed a threat to all persons on board that aircraft. I do not believe that he boarded that aircraft with intentions of causing harm to anyone.
I hope he gets the help that he needs.
Thank you Dr. Grande, love the spooky decor. I agree that 'shrooms seem to be a quick fix for wanting instant problem-solving rather than the tough work of actual healing. I also don't think I want off- duty air staff on the flight deck, ever!!
Whoa- I would not call psychedelics a quick fix for much of anything- they can be very demanding teachers - I have always used psychedelics more as a student of the universe, and of my own mind, rather than seeking mindless recreation, personally, but like therapy with a really skilled practitioner, it’s not particularly fun or easy, even when it’s beautifully poignant or powerfully transformative. It just would never occur to me, to think of psychedelics as being recreational. The only problem is, this isn’t a When the Teacher Appears, The Student Is Ready kinda things- if the learner is unprepared for the experience, it can really go sideways.
@sunnycatc6491 Yes but did it occur to you this pilot might have been in charge of his own aircraft as Captain or F/O???? Also please look up Sioux City 1989 - many, many passengers survived a total loss of hydraulics in part thanks to an off-duty pilot on the flight DECK!
That's a clueless and ignorant pretense to suppose about psilocybin mushrooms, not what thousands of years of traditional use and the vast array of scientific studies indicate at all.
@@sarahissersohn5495Most people use psychedelics for recreational purposes. Let's be real.
@lisaa8795 I just looked it up, wow. Good point. I read that it was "Children's Day", many young victims were flying alone 😔 .
The pilot ate magic mushrooms one time 48 hours before he went bonkers on the airplane. His meltdown likely was caused by other factors. Maybe he was trying to medicate himself with the mushrooms to treat the mental health issues he was experiencing?
Exactly.
Quite a few classic Grande zingers in this episode 😆 Dr. Todd Grande, you are both informative and hilarious!
He said he had not slept in 40 hours. He must have been delirious.
My dad worked in an aircraft mechanic and maintenance crew on cargo flights back in 70-s. He was afraid to fly as he knew how exhausted, hangover and high the pilots were, and eventually he quit that job. To be fair it was in USSR, but im pretty sure psychological profile of any pilot is about the same.
One of my relatives worked in the USSR in the 1980s and 1990s. Flying was the best way to get from one place to another (he didn't work in an 'office job' in Moscow or St Petersburg). He was often concerned at the state (and age) of the planes and the state and health of the pilots. If an accident had occurred, even if the pilots had been able to land the plane, they would probably not have survived long enough for help to reach them, as they flew over remote, desert areas. Beautiful scenery and mountains though.
What a terrible thing for everyone involved. I sure hope he can heal, and that the airlines can come up with solutions.
At this point, I'm pretty sure he's no longer an employee of the airline. But, yeah, I do hope he gets some help. It seems like he knew he lost it. I also hope he never gets on another airplane again.
You said "Frontier Bearlines..." 😂 I love your videos. You're hilarious and smart. One second I'm listening intently about the case and the next I'm laughing at the unexpected funny things you say. Thank you for these daily videos❤
I saw when the news report of this pilot first came out, it is a bizarre and disturbing incident
I'm an Oregonian using TMS Treatments for anxiety who had never used mushrooms but still In not sure I'd think he deserves 7.5 prison years x 84. Hes lost his livelyhood and likely on permanent No Fly list, thats a major lifelong consequence for likely sleep depervation and mental health.
Imagine if he was the pilot of the aircraft on that day.
God this is so tragic, every facet. I love your wit! The bear! This was such quick turnaround. 🙏🏻
I think one of the reasons people latch onto the promise of quick fix promises like those offered by the magic mushroom community is the horrible state our current mental healthcare system has eroded into. I’ve struggled with mental illness since childhood. I’ve been fortunate to have good insurance coverage, however, I keep losing providers who grow tired of dealing with insurance companies. I cannot afford to pay out of pocket. Having to relive my traumas constantly with new doctors and counselors (many of whom are poorly trained and have caused more problems for me) is a nightmare. Just finding a psychiatrist who is accepting new patients can be near impossible depending upon where you live. It’s so sad. My heart goes out to this pilot, but also to those who could have so easily lost their lives to unwise experimentation with a wild-card substance.
Sorry to hear of your suffering.
At least you have not lost your empathy and compassion for others.
I agree it seems some people are hoping for a quick fix and I think others are looking for scientific validation for recreational drug use. There is also money to be made from a marketable product.
Works for me. 👍
I would offer one clarification to what you said, Dr. Grande. If Capt Emerson had simply shut down the engines, the pilots could have easily restarted them. If he'd succeeded at activating the fire suppression system in the engines, they would be permanently snuffed, or permanently enough that it would be impossible to restart them during the flight. Of course, the pilots would have been able to glide the aircraft to a landing, but it would be uncomfortable.
You're definitely understating the risk to the aircraft of two engines out, and gliding a jet to a safe landing is far from guaranteed. Everything has to go right including clearing lower flight levels of traffic as you lose altitude both due to bleeding speed and needing to get within the engine relight envelope. For example, on an A320 the aircraft needs to be below 30,000 feet to do a relight.
I was a Blackhawk crew chief for 8 years. There is no guarantee of "gliding" to a landing being anything simple. Glideslope, range, weather, wind, are all very unforgiving. Gliding at a high elevation landing in cold or hot weather affects everything. There is a damn good chance they would have crashed.
@@nighttrain1236 and above 250ish kt to respin the engines so a dive to restart may cost your glide distance and isn't guaranteed to work
How would the plane glide to the nearest airport if both engines were off? Wouldn't it just nosedive?
@@nhlpens583 And I'm saying they couldn't have restarted the engines if the fire suppression system had been activated. It is a mechanical impossibility.
'Frontier Bearlines' and the concept of bears flying planes and going nuts made me lose it. This is one of the most absurd stories I've heard of this week so far, he took flying high to a whole new level.........
I'll go out on a limb here. I feel sorry for him. Pilots take their work seriously, and it's a stressful job. If he'd really wanted to crash the aircraft, he would have incapacitated the pilots first.
He really should have taken a gap year.
Before 9/11, I regularly sat in the jumpseat, and I only have 11 hours in light aircraft. It's a shame that our world has changed so much.
I knew an air force mechanic who did mushrooms at work once. Thankfully, he knew enough to go home sick. This was back in the 70's.
So many stories, so little time! Please keep the Grande zingers coming!❤😂 I found youranalysis of this subject to be informative and interesting, Dr. Grande.❤ And I appreciate your consistency w everyday uploads.❤
I would like to see this as just another isolated incident but lately beginning to believe that we're pushing closer to the end of our time as a species of this planet.
Lol not a chance
I enjoy listening to your summaries of cases…logical, but not without humor. Please continue to provide us with additional content. I look forward to it.
unsurprising the doc gets such an huge audience, very impressive analysis
He only claimed to have ingested mushrooms there is absolutely no proof of it.
They should have done a poo analysis
@@Ccyawn123 his credibility and life are pretty much poop now. i don't believe a word of it.
Mushroom advocates really pulling a fast one today. The denial that addicts favourite drugs do harm never fail to astound me.
@@skycloud4802 addicts? HA! you seem knowledgeable.
I legitimately burst out laughing at the congress joke 😂
Have a nice trip, see you next fall!!!
😂😂 good one!😂😂
Thank you for offering your thoughts and opinions on this scary case, Dr. Grande.❤
Over worked in transportation: pilots, train employees, over the road truck drivers, nurses, and many others.
I worked as a railroad contractor for several years and during that time a train derailment occurred every day in the United States ( mostly small ) because of over worked employees. Twelve hours on and twelve hours off with 72 hours a week the norm. Drug tests biweekly but exhaustion test never.
In the sky, on the rail, on the road or in hospitals, that's the REAL DANGER to the community.
If drugs was the answer, then what was the question. I heard this 32 years ago when I made my first few meetings. Been sober ever since. There are other ways to deal with depression. Just my own personal thoughts.
My husband is an air traffic controller, so I'm going to ask him how often a problem arises due to the fact that "bears are notoriously poor at communicating with air traffic control."
Dr. Grande right on top of this story. Love the cactus and Halloween decorations. Thanks for this quick response to such a bizarre story.
A key detail that's missing here is that it has been reported that the pilot took the mushrooms 48 hours prior to the flight. So he would almost certainly no longer be under the influence at the time of the incident.
One of the dangers he listed was protected psychosis.
There was also the time a Horizon Air ground crew member jumped into an unmanned aircraft, took off, flew around SeaTac airport solo, and eventually crashed into the ground, killing himself.
Yeah, he earned a nickname for that...King something?
I dunno, it's been a while. I heard it while watching Mr Ballen.
I cannot picture any outcome of self-medicating with magic mushrooms not involving an increase in my anxiety.
"The 'shrooms made me do it!" 🍄
Something new to worry about now when flying. Can't imagine why he thought taking mushrooms and then getting into a plane in ANY capacity was a good idea. Especially in a jump seat in the cockpit. SMH
He ate them over 30 hours before getting on the plane. Their effect is only 6 to 7 hours long.
@@bradsanders6954 ok. Good to know.
@@bradsanders6954 Is there evidence to establish that is true for all people, and for any dose level? If that was true in this case, what explains 40 hours with no sleep (assuming, of course, that anything he said was true at all.)
Happy Halloween Dr. Grande, really dig the set up- Great analysis as always. What a wierd a case.
Mushrooms should come with a warning label.
Really great job by all the crew managing this situation professionally and avoiding a potential diaster, we take pilots and cabin crew for granted, they do a great job keeping us safe and should be appreciated 👏 🇬🇧
Actually, if the fire suppression system is activated, it may not be possible to restart the engines due to the fire suppression agents clogging up the engines.
Joseph's sentence will be concurrent, being that the 83 charges are all from the same incident.
Just recently an Alaska airlines pilot flying from Seattle had to stop in San Francisco to refuel. There must be a lot of hidden things going on with that once dependable airline to cause a screwup like that.
You never fail to impress with concise recaps of the situation and industry specific information, along with your wit and dry humor. 👏🏻😆😂
I just watched an analysis of this case by Bruce Rivers, a criminal defense lawyer. He thinks this guy's lawyer will claim mental illness and the guy will get off. Not totally off, he won't be a pilot anymore but obviously there was something going on mentally with the guy. BR also said what the pilot did will NOT be considered murder in a trial. Interesting take for sure!
I listen to your acute analysis from France , I’m a French nurse and I totally agree with you.
Legalizing magic mushrooms is like opening Pandora box , it will have bad consequences.
Still less dangerous than alcohol
Keep up the Great content DR G, Never miss a day XX
My friends and family have always been like "Why don't you like to fly in an airplane?" Well, here's another reason
I'd rather have Keith Richards as my pilot.
Bruce Dickinson or John Travolta. They can actually fly planes.
If nothing else, a survivor. Though he turns 80 only in December.
Somebody holding it together and being responsible for people's lives and safety every single day is a lot of pressure before you consider a personal life in the mix.
I think most of us removing inhibitions with shrooms in pressure like that isn't the best way to vent the problem.
The responsibilty/vigilance dynamic was clearly on his mind when he commented on the pilots lack of paying attention or caring. Scenario looks almost like facing his worst nightmares head on and dealing with the problem once and for all. Terrifying situation for everyone involved.
“Frontier Bearlines”
BOO!
Lol thanks doc
I love your sense of humor, very professional but you add a humorous edge to the retelling of facts. I love it.
Takes responsibility for what he did. Pleads not guilty.
I think society needs to stop treating mental health as a get-out-of-jail free card.
he didn't take any responsibility.
You think he should accept 600+ years of jail time without a trial?
@@j.t.1086 that's what taking responsibility means. Guilty, on to sentencing. What do you think it means to "take responsibility"?
I tried Magic Mushrooms once and only once. It was the most intense emotional experience I’ve ever had. An absolute rollercoaster of highs and lows that just didn’t seem to end. Felt like it lasts weeks when in reality it was only a few hours. I would strongly dissuade anyone trying them for the first time. Not worth having a bad trip.
I've always been too scared to try hallucinogenics. I've got enough going on in my mind!
but were you still tripping 48 hours later? That's what this pilot is claiming.
Some people find micro-dosing helpful. Too bad this situation could set things back due to someone being super irresponsible.
@@Hawaiian_Shirt_guy no I wasn’t. But that’s got nothing to do with my anecdote.
As usual, you are the voice of reason.
You just know when to roll ! Thank you Dr. Grande ❤
I love Dr. Grande’s dad jokes lol
dr grande doesn't get enough credit as a funnyman, i'm still lol-ing :D
Great Analysis Dr Grande 😊
Dr Grande this was a great video and your delivery and dry sense of humor cracks me up. This is a very disturbing issue. My heart does go out to the pilots for the pressure they must be under. I have been sober for 29 years and yes I too suffer with depression. Pilots being professionals must have the constitution to be honest with themselves. Their industry must support their employees because of the enormous responsibility they have.