Man Constructs Prison Cell in His Garage | Timothy Ferriter Case Analysis
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2024
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My parents used to punish me almost exactly like this. They didn't create a prison cell. But they would make me stay in my room for weeks at a time. My mom also beat me mercilessly, and threatened me to not tell anyone about it. The last incident, my mother chased me with a baseball bat, and threw me out of the house at age 16 because I had a girlfriend. I wasn't a violent kid. Didn't do drugs or break the law. But I did rebel against the strict biblical upbringing she imposed on myself and my brother. She could have gone to jail for what she did, and I am still bitter about her treatment. To this day, she tells me that she made some mistakes, but did what she thought was right. It still bothers me mentally, and I'm now in my 50's.
She didn’t make mistakes, she made horrible abusive choices, completely different things. A mistake is when you buy the wrong brand of toothpaste at the store, misdialing a phone number, etc. She made the choice to do what she did each and every time she did it….I’m so sorry you had to experience that kind of upbringing, it’s heartbreaking 💔. Many hugs.
@@megnotmegan1966 Thanks for the support. I resigned myself to the fact that I will never be rid of this pain. But I vowed to never treat my daughters that way. The same hands I use to show love to my children will never be used to do them harm.
I'm sorry you were treated that way! You seem to have processed what you went through and I hope you're in a better place ;)
I am sorry you went through this.
I hope you put her in the worst old age home you can find and tell her why she's there.
I'm thankful for the contractor and the police for following up on this
Yeah, he's the unsung hero of this whole case, god bless that nameless contractor 🙏🏻😇
fr too many people would mind their own business and forget about it
Absolutely!
Me too! ❤
@@RepresentWVhe still did the right thing. Immediately. Plus then the cops had proof
I am so thankful for the contractor acting on his instincts.
I know a couple who are wonderful parents. They had 6 kids of their own, then adopted an 11 year old from China who had been raised in a state orphanage before that. He also had behavioral issues, to the extent that it was becoming unsafe for the other children. I was shocked when I heard the stories (I was younger at the time) because of how highly I esteemed the parents. I had thought they could handle anything and that their good parenting would "save" the boy. They probably thought similarly when they adopted. Turns out children, and especially traumatized children, are a lot more complex than that. They ended up having to send him to a care facility for a couple of years. It was a good place that specialized in children with these types of behavioral issues, and they visited often. He is now back with the family. He's 18 but has no real plans for his future. He is still pretty developmentally behind. Their bio son is also 18 and just went off to college. I guess all of that to say, adoption is complex, and the best parents I know tried their hardest but were unable to erase his trauma and even had to get outside help. But they didn't lock him in a cell.
God bless them all, my prayers go out to that family and that poor boy.
I had serious behavioral problems growing up, but my mom didn't lock me in a cell. She couldn't handle me, so she put me in a treatment center. They had other options.
Yeah he lives in a million dollar home!
@@rebekahcogbill9832 exactly, it's not like they couldn't afford it. My mom had to get help from the state because she couldn't afford it long-term, but she figured it out.
What thoughts were going thru your mind when you were growing up with behavioral problems? Do you know why? How did treatment help you?
@jamese9283 I was raped at 12, and I ended up getting pregnant. My mom wouldn't let me get an abortion. I was very much still a little girl playing with toys and things. The pregnancy almost killed us both. I lost all my friends was put into another school. The rape alone destroyed me. The pregnancy was almost unbearable. By 15, I was out of control. I was doing drugs and drinking and tried to commit suicide multiple times. I just felt like my life was ruined. I had wanted to be a professional swimmer, I was really talented, but other kids made fun of my stretch marks, and it really hurt and embarrassed me, so I quit. I was constantly bullied in school as well. I just didn't want to live anymore. I felt like nobody understood me or cared for me. I'm 41 now, and I'm still traumatized, but I keep working on that pain and probably will be for the rest of my life.
@@themadmadamemim2630 I'm very sorry that someone hurt you, especially being so young. Have you gotten proper counseling to process all of that trauma?
Did the dad think he was gonna beat those charges?? With video evidence?? He went from 2 years to potentially 40…
We probably don't know about his lawyers. They can also be manipulative and quite bad themselfs.
You think the EGO that he could barely fit into that spacious courtroom was going to let him admit wrongdoing?
No fn way, he's probably still the victim in his twisted mind.
Let's all guess his sentence. I'm guessing 20-25.
@@EricK-tb2dn. Same Erick.
@@rubyoro0 I think the duration and age of RF will be aggrevating factors that get the false imprisonment in the higher range and possibly lead to a departure in sentencing guidelines.
Contractor of the Year award for the good man who reported his bizarre project!
And what about the police who did nothing with the report?
Instead of seeking help from a child psychologist, he hired a carpenter. OOOOoooookaaay
8:07 they tried and received no meaningful help
@@hiddenhand6973maybe the people who failed to help should go to prison.
Abusive people always feel that their behavior is acceptable.
And/ or they don't care
not sure in what scenario the abuser would think their behavior is unacceptable 🤔
Well I mean if you're going tic for tack with someone then ofc they're going to think that way. As the person in this video described. It was an ego battle. They all played the zero sum game. Both John and Tim. Tim just had more power than John
Don’t they though?? Disgusting
@@poindextertunes If they thought it was acceptable, why don't they do it in public, in front of witnesses? No, they hide it because they know it is wrong.
I was waiting for you to cover this. The most heartbreaking part of this, for me, was... in all the hours of recordings (I listened to 6-8hrs), I never once heard either 'parent' say, "I love you." 🥺 The 'mom' was a cold warden and the 'dad' was a sadistic bully. 😠
That was my impression also. It didn't seem like he was ever invited to eat dinner with them, etc. And no way for him to communicate with them..... just pure sick way to treat any living thing..
This sounds like a real life version of Butter Stoches family! 2 bad the same couldn't be applied to them. I detest beyond strict-parents and people like these!
Well what do you expect? You don’t lock people you love in a prison cell
You listened to 6-8 hours of that..?
@@T91here yup! All day.
There’s something so satisfying about when you’re interested in a case/situation/scandal and then you see Dr.Grande uploads a video on that subject.
The only one here who deserves a prison cell is Tim. Glad that the police and the contractor acted fast and saved that poor child! I hope he heals and finds a happy, loving family. He deserves it
Hope he take notice for next time because he got the dimensions wrong, and no toilet / shower.
& the wife Tracy
Yep, thank God the contractor had a gut feeling that something wasn't right.
Why does the mother get off Scott free? She ALLOWED the abuse. The hell with that.
This just breaks my heart. I understand that John was a trying child to parent, but adopted children are not made to order possessions. You shouldn’t shut a dog in a dark room for 18 hours. Thanks for covering this Dr. Grande.
Amen.
Neither are your biological children your customized possessions.
I see a computer in the room. If the kid refuses to behave, I don't see a big problem with having to spend his nights there.
@jaymike3302 look into solitary confinement. It doesn't make any situation better.
Why adopt at all if you lack any compassion and are not up to the enormous challenge?
You truly never know what goes on behind your neighbors doors. Stay safe people.
ya i was beaten for 20 years and neighbors did nothing
and now society does nothing for me
Suspect something, say something to police ASAP!!
@@joyceanderson8648 Or crime stoppers!
I think Ferrier was sadistic. Abusers make their victim feel that they are worthless and entitled to nothing, except what the abuser permits. With the victim knowing that for any reason or no reason the abuser will take back what ever he has permitted. Humiliating his son, calling him a “tough guy” for daring to turn on air conditioning. Daring his son to confront him, egging him on to further disobedience so the father could punish him further. Humiliating and sadistic.
Complete control freak
John's behavior is likely worsened by Ferriter's behavior and actions. If you treat a child like an animal, often they will act like one. Timothy had a grandiose sense of self and a fragile one, both of which may indicate NPD, and I believe his control issues are as a result of his own upbringing, perhaps he felt out of control growing up and has a pathological need to control. I cant imagine what his wife went through because of him.
Animals should not be treated this way .......NO animal
Under the right circumstances, I think it is possible for someone to do such a thing who is not a narcissist. Narcissism is not the answer to all the world’s evils but it’s all I hear about nowadays. Clearly, he had control issues but I do wonder have you ever had a child who is destroying the home that you’re renting, which you cannot afford to fix? Have you attempted to work and support your family while getting calls from the school just about every day?Have you had a child he punches the wall and breaks his hand? Have you had a child who threatens to go downstairs and get a knife if you’re not giving him his own way? Have you had a child who has to be restrained by a bunch of security guards each and every time he goes to the hospital to be evaluated for his mental health? You don’t have to be a narcissist to be desperate. This guy went too far, obviously, and he made the mistake of getting in a protracted power struggle with the kid. If his intentions were all bad, though, would he have gone to all that expense to try to keep everybody safe? I suspect that is what he was trying to do and it backfired.
@duvessa2003 I 100% agree. "John" was a complete terror and endangering the family and destroying the home. Everyone here is commenting on "poor John had mental issues" but what about the mental issues that he caused for that family who adopted him, to give him a good home? He was a terrorist and they did take him to professionals to get help. The "professionals" failed the family. I don't think the prison cell was abusive. It sucks, of course, but all John had to do was act right, and he could have lived in the house with the rest of the family. This was all John's fault. Even by his own admission, knows he was a terror. When people don't act right, they go to jail. This was an appropriate punishment. He wasn't starving, or beaten, he went to school. The parents shouldn't do time for this, the courts should move John to a facility for his issues.
@@duvessa2003 how is feeding a child the family's table scraps and having them locked in a garage in the Florida heat not sadistic? The family has plenty of money and more then enough to have a prison chamber constructed to isolate a child. It doesn't matter what intentions are. The choice does. A drunk driver never intends to kill someone but what should happen when they do? should they go free because it wasnt their intention? There is no excuse for ch*ld abuse even if its intended to be discipline. If they child already had problematic behavior, abuse is only going to intensify the problematic behavior. If the parents were treating the child less then human(like purpofully antagonizing his son to fight him simply becauase he turned the air conditoner down while he lives in a garage in the florida summer), then maybe the child is emulating the behavior that the parents inflicted on them over the years.
Don't pity his wife!
I’m adopted and my parents were social workers placing children for adoption, so I’ve always been well-informed and interested in the topic. I generally share Dr. Grande’s views on family vlogs but I do watch some videos from various ones involving adoption, particularly when the children have additional needs (NOT the ‘momfluencer’ type). Many children have far more problematic behaviour than this boy and the parents remain endlessly patient. They accept the job they have chosen to take on. Some of his behaviour seems to just be from being intelligent and having no stimulation. And pushing and embarrassing siblings is well within typical behaviour even though it isn’t good.
I agree 💯 !
I suspect that what we’ve been told is just the tip of the iceberg with regard to John’s behaviour. That said, if Tim responded to his difficult behaviour in this way from the beginning, it’s very likely that he exacerbated John’s misbehaviour. Tim strikes me as the kind of man who would see “labels” such as ADHD as simply excuses for bad behaviour, rather than something that is part of a person’s wiring. In any case, depriving a child of any sense of being loved would have the opposite result to what he was hoping for!
@@acuteteacher and preoccupation with films women being crushed to death, and more. The commenter didn't hear all of the behaviors shared?
@@Parousia001 No, the defence would have listed his worst behaviour. Indeed, they did. It wasn’t good but it wasn’t extreme.
@@acuteteacher Yes, and that’s not good but again not exactly rare amongst teenage boys.
The kid ran away from home but continued going to school ?!?!
Wow what a good kid !
School was his only salvation. He exceled in math and science. School was his only safe place.
That's what I was thinking
Bet he was hard to find ....geez
My kid ran away from home on Friday and was in school on Monday. Having an adopted kid with ODD and RAD is hard. There is no easy solution.
to keep his sanity from the psycho
I hope the young man found a loving supportive home and is doing well.
I can imagine the contractor looking at Tim with a straight face saying, “You said you want the office in your garage? Cement floors? Lights and locks that can only be controlled from outside? And surveillance? Seems reasonable, let’s get to work.”
Right, but you did note it was that contractor who was first to report a potential sketchy situation to law enforcement. Of course you do. Whole scenario 's a horror movie and at first I thought you were minimizing the horror of it. I know you aren't.
Op, have you even heard the contractor’s account?
This is absolutely insane!
He's a contractor yet still chose to do the job even though there was something clearly sketchy about it.
$$$
I worked with him at Medtronic. Spent plenty of time with him as he was one of my associates. It’s so creepy knowing this. I didn’t recognize anything out of the ordinary except that just always seemed overly serious. It really has shaken me knowing how much time I spent with him going to different hospitals doing aortic cases
Crazy. I bet that's how people who know me will feel after my horrible crimes come to light.
@@jdlamb4212haha u cra cra :)
Dr. Grande always got them lines
"the first one was built by his contractor
The second one will be provided by the state"
🤣🤣🤣
John could have very well suffered trauma at a young age before being adopted. This combined with god knows what parenting style from his adoptive parents contributed to his behavioral challeneges. He was/is a child...he needed help from a young age. Not to be blamed and then abused by his parents. Prayers he actually gets support. Especially now
I wonder why they couldn’t get the help they needed, it can take time to work through the mental health system. You have to continue to advocate for your child. I know how this goes. I hope “John “ gets the help he needs! Thank you Dr. Grande for covering this!
It seems to me the parents gave up too early trying to get help, and instead started their own course of (mis)treatment. If they would have picked up even one book on child psychology and RAD, it would have helped.
So it’s ok that they did this to their kid because "the mental health system” failed them? They chose to adopt, if they can’t handle it why did they sign up for it?
My mother would have been totally insulted and refused ANY type of intervention or criticism. That's the hard bit. 'Knowing' as a child that the adult is the problem. And working out what to do about that.
They created the problems he had by mistreating him. Tim is a sadist and enjoyed torturing this young child from a very early age.
@@ronniemead805 Yes. If you want your children to behave, you must behave.
I remember when this news broke and being confused by his wife's statement at the time. Thanks for covering this case and giving us an update
He was offered a 2 year prison sentence with 5 yrs probation ⁉️ For traumatizing & torturing a child who will feel the effects for the rest of his life⁉️ People caught with weed get sentenced about 5xs more than that. What's going on here????
Lawyer spoke about the deal. It was quite interesting, but a bit confusing.
No one's going to jail for ten years for weed
There’s something poetic about this guy getting the same punishment he inflicted on his son. Unfortunately he won’t have to clean his own bucket of poop, but close enough.
My father was "kept" in a darkened room for a significant portion of his childhood -- and I'm quite sure it "stunted" his personality (it was not he who told me about this; his sister, my aunt, told me about it). He was a boy in the 1930s and he had a facial twitch (referred to as "St. Vitus Dance" in those days). The doctor said he was to be kept in a darkened room after coming home from school. Such a facial twitch typically "cures itself" in children and, so, when it finally faded away he was "cured" by the "darkened room therapy."
Well, his parents were doing what the doctor said. There wasn't any internet back then to do your own research. It sounds like a rare disorder. It sucks that your husband had to go through this. But the parents were trying to help him. Having a facial twitch would also cause problems in life.
I haven't heard the term " St Vitus Dance" for decades!... thankfully! Reminds me of when folk would call cancer "The Big C" !
Sounds pretty medieval to me
I watched this trial every day. My opinion, a lot of the boy's behavioral problems were caused because he was never shown any love, affection, or compassion. The young boy was kept in a room in their garage in their Arizona home.
His wife is just as guilty...she knew what was happening and did nothing to either address or rectify the situation.
Thank goodness the contractor went with his gut feeling reporting this, and kudos to the police for taking the report seriously, and opened an investigation.
"she may have just witnessed a preview of what's gonna happen to her "😂😂😂
My son had emotional and behavioral difficulties. When he became a teenager, he became even more out of control. I asked for help from the state and a judge ultimately ordered my son to a residential school for emotionally disturbed boys. At that school he was often dragged by staff into a "Quiet Room". The room was windowless and locked. How is that state-approved treatment different from what Tim Ferriter did?
My thoughts exactly. When a child is totally out of control- the "options" available are truly limited. Seeking mental health treatment, punishment, reward, time out, school liason involvement, police involvement- when NOTHING works- then the State FINALLY takes over and places the child in a juvenile or adult incarceration facility or a boot-camp style behavior modification school....
Probably not giving him a bathroom, keeping him in there longgggg hours, cursing at him, over reacting to small things with severe punishment, having it completely dark when the lights were out, and he was his parent and it's his home, compared to a school designed for many kids with behavioral health where if they didn't have a "time out room" the kids would be hard to contain if misbehaving or being violent. I mean at most the school probably would put the kids there for a short amount of time checking on them frequently and letting them out when they calmed down and decided to behave, where this dad would leave him in there for far to long, and not reward him by behaving correctly, so this is more abuse then discipline
@@IcallTOPBUNKthey’re both abuse
It’s not different. They’re both horrifically abusive 🤷🏻
Horrible! Im sorry your son was mistreated
Thanks for covering this Dr. Grande - I saw bits and pieces of Timothy Ferriter's trial but could not stomach most of it.
God, the father is such a pos. Lets see how tough he is against the other prisoners.
He may be in protective custody because inmates don’t take kindly to child abusers. But even then, correctional officers can sometimes take it upon themselves to give those that commit crimes against children a taste of their own medicine. The fact that he made something equal if not even worse to the “hole” in prison to abuse someone and is now going to be there in the same environment he used as punishment but worse because there’s no getting out is poetic justice
@@redfootedbearI wonder when he will be sentenced? I would love to be a fly in the wall the day he gets tossed in. I've got a friend who spent the first 3 years of his life sentence in solitary. He ended up going a little crazy there.
@@wolfe6220 I believe he starts mid november. He tried to post bond to try to take advantage of what small freedom he possibly could’ve had while he awaits his sentence but the judge denied it.
Damn, 3 entire years to kick off doing life?!
Poor guy. Although I would imagine what your buddy did was pretty fucked.
@@redfootedbear Really f*cked up. You have no idea. Multiple people. I first heard about his case as a teen, it got me to studying abnormal psychology in college. That's when I first wrote him. It's been 20-ish years now. He's an interesting guy.
Did Tim ever think he himself may be the root cause of "Johnny’s" behavior. Just a thought
E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.
I have RAD and foetal alcohol syndrome. I was as a child and still as an adult severely behaviourally challenged and i got sent to a psych ward repeatedly as a teenager and heavily medicated. My mother abused me horrifically for 19 years and i was locked in my bedroom with a bolt numerous times, often for 2 days straight. This kind of severe abuse directed at me, for 19 years straight, didn't help me. It irreversibly destroyed my entire life. I have limited life skills, ~60 police arrests for public freakouts in 10 years, secure units, secure units etc, i have no future except locking myself in my flat and never interacting with the outside world and having barely anyone in my life useful. I could have been helped but instead was left to be beaten senseless, imprisoned, poisoned, raped and mentally tortured.
Tip: if your kid is like John or me or other kids, don't destroy them further!!! Get them to a treatment centre of some kind, get them put in psychiatric care, anything official, don't purely take it into your own hands or destroy the kid more!!!!
John may have severe problems, but he's more intelligent than Tim. Granted, RAD is a brutal affliction impacting everyone in proximity but this kind of creepy authoritarian abuse only makes it worse. I hope Tim gets sentenced to years. You can't treat a human like that.
It’s awful in some orphanages. RAD happens from birth to a few yrs old, and if John never had any stable care up until he was adopted, or chronic change in caregivers, may be why. I feel bad for him. Hopefully he gets a decent home. No human deserves to be locked away like that. I understand the “why” about the parents but they could’ve done so much more to help John.
Psychological problems should be handled by professionals. The boy obviously has trauma and should be treated as such.
@@TheMagpieOfficial they tried to get the school and mental health professionals involved but it was unsuccessful.
Anybody can be a parent, bullies, angels, idiots, sympathetic, empathetic, monsters…. The adoption authorities are culpable here. They should have vetted these people more extensively.
At the same time, I grew up in a house with a sibling with serious anger issues, not as bad as “John Doe” but not good either. My Physical and emotional safety was not secure. I would love to have had my brother locked away.
But I do recognize (as an adult) how inhumane that would have been.
@@robinrubendunst869I had a similar upbringing. One brother seemed to despise me. This was in the 1950s and 60s. Cops just didn't intervene then.
1:50 I'm already creeped out
Locking him in a room would make his behavior worse. ADHD kids need regular exercise. And being cut off from his family would cause great emotional harm.
The dad was really cruel to lock the child up without even the ability to turn lights on or use a bathroom! The dad should spend twice the years in prison that he locked his son up for.
I requested you cover this! Thank you so much for being so thorough and making some sense of the situation. I could not understand how Tim and Tracy felt justified...enough to risk decades of prison time. I love that all their kids were taken away. And, being a fellow victim of abuse, I'm sorry JohnDoe still doesn't want his parents to suffer. It's heartbreaking.
A heads up. The Contractor never called this a room or an office. The deposition by PalmBeach County LEO was TIM told the Contractor he needed a BOX built in the garage. Box was the term used by Tim.
What a disturbing case. It’s hard to understand how anyone would consider locking a child in this manner an acceptable behavior.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts in this case, Dr. Grande.❤️
Even the most out of control child is still a CHILD deserving of help, support and (sometimes tough) love. This is heartbreaking.
Yes and if you listen to the child, there’s some wisdom and insight there. He knew he was off the rails, needed guidance to get him back on track
I can't help but wonder how out of control that kid would have been in another home.
If by "tough love" you mean groundings, time out, revoking privileges, tighter curfew, etc, then I am with you all the way! I just hope you're not advocating for corporal punishment. That isn't for for pets,m and the elderly, let alone children.
If that house caught fire, "John" wouldn't be able to get out. When a friend built a room in the basement level for her oldest, it was a legal requirement for there to be a door capable of egress and ingress and a window large enough to get through. The contractor wouldn't build a room like Tim asked for.
What do you mean he 'wouldn't'? He did. The contracter did, build the room Tim asked for. Then he went to the cops.
@@diannew6066 She was referring to the contractor who built her friends room. It might have been clearer had the sentence been worded, "Her contractor wouldn't have built a room like the one that Tim had wanted."
But the room - supposedly an office - was being built in the garage - not the basement. If the house above is on fire, anyone living in the basement would get trapped - hence the requirement for the window large enough to get through.
Thank you Dr. Grande for another informative video. With a splash of sarcasm. 😊
The lost child is made to feel that he himself is the cause of all the calloused, sadistic treatment he has received, for as long as he can remember. This is an extremely sad story ... I hope, he can receive true loving kindness and the help to heal! I wonder about the other children of that household.
Just checking for a new doctor grande video to my delight after seeing that you hadn't posted yet, you posted!
Sometimes the stars align!
Ferriter sure seems like a sociopath.
Those audio recordings of him are 100% about dominating the child. Never one word of love.
The plea deal refusal is standard “I will arrive on the stage and outdo them all.”
They really do believe they are like gods. And thank god because that’s how most of them are ever punished.
Many people feel it is their job to dominate their children.
I just bailed out on a cheesy horror movie on Tubi. Then I came here and found this video.
This is infinitely more interesting with zero sp fx, one camera angle and zero budget. Held my interest all the way through it, including the comments.
Great job, Doctor!
Good Lord what a case. Sad,disgusting and bizarre all rolled into one. Don't even know what else to say.
Ya know, I can't help but get the sense that the kids problems were made far worse by Tim even before a cage was involved.
*Tim
@@rubyoro0 Crap, gotit
Brilliantly summarized Dr Grande. It's a tragic story, parenting is so hard, but kids must be protected and there are options!
Rejecting that plea deal was beautiful. It just proves that you can't escape stupidity.
I’m sure Tim’s abuse spilled over in other ways to wife and other children.
I doubt it only because they had everything video taped so I don't think he even thought he was abusing the adopted child
Dude you are so well spoken and, clearly, naturally highly intelligent on top of being educated. I so very much enjoy simply listening to you speak. Your syntax, tone, inflection, all of it is soothing. And the content is displayed from an entirely unbiased standpoint, which is seemingly rare at least on UA-cam.. Thank you for the entertainment =] I, as well as many others, verily enjoy it.
I watched a lot of this trial, but I had to mute the videos of Tim berating his son. You know it's bad when even the defense is telling the jury "okay we all know and acknowledge that this is the WORST way to treat a child with attachment disorders," and then they went on to try and justify it not being malicious. As the prosecution said in their closing, if there had been an emergency, the kid had no way to escape that room. I can't begin to imagine what would have happened in the event of a fire, I'm glad no one had to find out. How is that anything other than malicious abuse? The jury got it right, I hope the judge doesn't go easy on Tim. Most of all I hope that the kids in this case, especially the boy who was locked in that room, get help and support.
I’ve listened to this video a few times already. Thank you, Grande, for bringing us this case analysis.❤ Your coverage of this timely circumstance is informative and interesting.❤
This is a lose lose situation it’s horrible when the system won’t support parents and won’t help children I don’t think what this man did was right completely but I do think he tried to figure out a better way and was at his wits end - sad all the way around - the family loses
I hate people who adopt to just virtue signal. Oh look at me I'm a great person! But once they realize some adopted children have issues the just check out, it's disgusting. If you can't handle it get help, it's out there.
So many youtubers adopt for this. Surprised Dr. Grande hasn’t adopted.
Supposedly they were unable to have children and adopted the oldest two. Then she got pregnant with a girl, and 5 or so years later had a boy. Once she had her own kids, they became priority.
Yep. Also some wide-eyed smiling people adopt a child, imagining how idyllic and meaningful it will be.
Then reality crashes in that this is an ill-behaved, traumatized kid that is going to need a lot from you and have very little to give, other than trouble.
It certainly doesn't match what the parents naiively expected.
@@roadrunner9622 Can't they just go to social services and put them on adoption if they can no longer "take care" of them? It's the correct thing to do.
I've watched all Dr Grande's videos and I've never been so fast before
I know right?!
This is why you dont contract out your secret torture room. You build that shit yourself
Actually, nothing came about after the contractor called it in. It was kid’s testimony when he ran away that opened the Pandora box.
Note to self: recording crimes? You're telling on yourself.
A good example of how important it is for good people to speak up, even though sometimes they are wrong, in this case the contractor could have easily just ignored his suspicion and done nothing about it. The guy was actually counting on people not caring because otherwise he would have built the prison cell in secret and not involved a contractor.
Best description of this case I've heard so far with reasons as to why the parents, especially the father, did this.❤ I also didn't know the father rejected a two year plea deal. I guess anyone who thinks locking a child in a tiny room is appropriate, would then be dumb enough to not accept an extremely light jail sentence under these circumstances. I hope this child gets the help and love he deserves. I cannot imagine how horrible he must've felt locked in there, all alone. Thank u for another great analysis, Dr. Grande...I wish u could post 5 new videos per day. 😂❤
I was really hoping you would cover this case. I feel so bad for John, I hope he is able to find proper treatment and thrive despite all of this. It makes me angry to think of how many more parents do things like this and get away with it because no one ever intervenes.
When the Doc started in on the evidence against Tim I just expected him to start laughing and say..."did you see the room? Need I say more..?"
I followed this case and appreciate your insight! Thank you!
Kudos to the contractor for reporting this to police.
What baffles me, along with the generally despicable behaviour, is the stupidity of the parents, hiring someone else to build a prison cell. What did they think would happen, other than that person contacting the police?
They did the same thing in Arizona with no consequences. Also they thought THEY were right.
@@ferrari251, fair point!
woah this case is crazy, glad i get to see you cover it!!!
Yes king go off
All time great of comments!
@@billflipper1130 very true 💯👑😎
Thanks Dr. Grande I was hoping for this story. ❤
When my son was in the third and fourth grade he was in a self-contained class and they built a four-by-four room inside the classroom with a lock on the outside to put the kids when they needed a timeout. My son had Asperger's so he was in there a lot, sometimes a few hours at a time and sometimes the whole day. Honestly I think that room caused him more trauma than anything else. I don't know where I'm going with this but I really hated that room.
Yikes!! I worked for six years in behaviour therapy, mostly in elementary schools. I was in a classroom that did indeed have a small room with a door that locks, but the lock had to be held down. One had to physically hold the lock in place to keep it locked so that teachers wouldn't be able to walk away without the door opening. This made sure they wouldn't forget a child in there, or worse, just close them in a ignore them all day. We only used it to contain an out-of-control student long enough to get the other students out of there,then the student would be let out. This would take under five minutes, and I still felt sick using it. I cannot imagine leaving a child to languish in a dark room for hours.
Public school? What can you expect..the worst place to send children that have any autistic issue (or any issue for that matter) -schooled my autistic child and she is now in University Everyone knows how horrible the public school system is We should-we were in it!
What state was this in? Our autistic son was isolated in a closet. We fought and changed the law in our state so they could no longer restrain and isolate kids.
@@nyreekrikorian South Carolina
Tim requested to be placed on house arrest until sentencing, he was deemed a flight risk and his request was denied. A week in jail seems to have had a profound physical affect on the man. He was trembling and looked frightened. Seems he can dish it but not take it.
Check out the chiropractor in Bonners Ferry, Idaho who shot the other chiro in town thru the window of his office. A murder in such a small North Idaho town
I have been waiting for you to give us your review on this story. :)
Damn. They built a special room. Cant just chain the kid to a post in the backyard like a normal psycho i guess.
There’s a reason why Dr. Grande has 1.36 m. subs….Taking on screwed up human misery stories one at a time using reason and dispassionate analysis. Good on you Doc.
Thanks Dr.Grande l'm glad the boy doesn't have to be there in that horrible place...l hope he pulls his self up and puts this behind him with help of course...Tim is mentally dominant and sadistic l wonder what his own father did to him...??
Great analysis of a tragic situation. Thank you.
I raised a RAD kid. It was a nightmare. But I sought help until I found the right counselors and mine turned out great. I know my story is not the norm but this father and mother could have made better decisions. ETA raising a RAD child is nothing like raising your own children. They lie like crazy, can be violent, seem to have little conscience.
Raise them Christian, ask a born again Christain to pray with you or at least for you and your child.
i did.@@albertafarmer8638
That's why -- as much as I deplore how this dad acted -- I don't think we need to pile on and act like he's the worst human on the planet.
Others have no idea what it's like to struggle all day at work, have a spouse that's constantly angry, have your own health issues and traumas and disappointments, and then on top of all that, have a RAD child who is impervious to all attempts at making a better relationship.
You can't allow them to destroy the house and harm people, but you also can't lock them in a room or physically restrain them.
If it's a foster kid, the state tries to help, but they're overwhelmed too and their doctors either don't care, don't do anything about it, or are ineffective.
@@roadrunner9622 totally agree. If you haven’t raised a RAD child, you can’t understand the complexity. He could have done better but he didn’t.
@@roadrunner9622 Ah you are making excuses. Hopefully you don't have kids locked up in a garage or worse!
Thank you for covering. This happened in my hometown, Jupiter. It’s extremely upsetting.
Nature vs. nurture plays a huge role here. I was adopted as a child and never bonded with my parents. It was clear to me from an early age that we were profoundly different people, and life growing up was pretty much a nightmare. It seems clear to me that Tim's ego was hurt by some non-biological kid who was making him look stupid in front of his wife and daughter, hence the powerplay. He could have sent the kid to private school, for example, but no -- he wanted to persecute the brat. Tim is a terrible human being.
Tim may be a a terrible human being. However, his wife was there and was complicit in allowing the behavior. It was her job to stand up for her adopted child. Protect and nurture him. She could have taken many actions. She could have even spent time in the room with the boy if Tim was so dominant that she couldn't persuade him to let the boy out. There were two ADULTS involved.
I sympathize with your growing up nightmare. Be happy that it is over and you can be free to live as you like now.
I'm not sure how nature vs. nurture plays into this. I would suspect that John Doe had some traumatic treatment prior to his adoption leading to his antisocial behavior.
Even biological children can be challenging. Perhaps that plays in to your Nature argument.
She'll have to paint Tim as a monster whom she was afraid of in order to lower her level of complicity. No doubt the state already had this in mind when they put Tim's trial first.
Wise assessment
@@burtreynolds3143 I am happy that it's over, and thank you very much for your sentiment. I'm not a doctor, but I consider myself a fairly educated person. Speaking from experience, I knew early on that I was not a fit with my parents, and that had nothing to do with any education. As I've grown older, and after meeting my biological family, I can see why my adopted parents had no clue how to deal with me. I could give you many examples, but point being is I strongly believe in nature over nurture. Sure, growing up as an adopted kid in a level-headed family can and does work, but it doesn't take much for things to go awry. I'm very interested in this case, probably because it seems to prove my point. I have no idea what role the mom played, mainly because I know nothing about her. I guess we'll learn more in the days to come.
My older brother had bad behavior problems as a kid. He was a lot bigger than me and would tackle me whenever he got angry with me, sit on top of me, and strangle me with his hands around my neck. He would always stop after awhile, obviously since I’m not dead. But I did genuinely think he was going to kill me every time. The rage in his face and the strength of his grip made me sure of it, but he always let go. That was the worst of his behavior, at least from my perspective. There was much more to it though. My dad never put us in therapy out of fear that we would expose his alcoholism. Yet still, my brother basically just grew out of this. He’s now the most stable and responsible of us siblings. He is quite literally the best person I know. All he needed was his family to keep faith in him. So I don’t care how that child was acting, he never deserved to be treated so horribly. That guy deserves every moment he spends in prison and I hope he dies there.
That's a craaaaaaaaazy story. I wonder if Timothy and Tracy didn't realise their stupid idea was actually a crime.
Good on the contractor for initially reporting this. I leanred here the Ferriters had constructed another garage cell for their son at another home. Terrifying terrifying parents. An imprisoned minor child was not even in control of whether or not this cell had light or not. Many times light was denied to him and he sat in complete darkness for hours.
He imprisons his child and is beyond abusive and now HE will be imprisoned and abused. Good riddance .Give him the full 40 years in prison.
Thank you for covering this
Did atom and his wife seek help from professionals? Even professionals don’t always come up with the perfect solution but Tim chose a totally unacceptable method. I am glad the contractor contacted the police and this situation came to light.
Apparently not, they thought that their wealth made them smarter but I guess they backfired majorly!
Who is atom?
@@alextrainor2552 - oops, Adam not Atom.
I can understand some room detaining if there were feelings other children or family members were in danger. However, this could be done in a nice room with air ventilation, enrichment, nice furnishings, etc. In between, trying to build a relationship & trust. Love & kindness is a great tool for raising a problem child.
It's disgusting that the prosecutors would have allowed a plea deal for 2 measly years. I hope Timothy gets the maximum sentence.
Well I don't.Your not seeing both sides.
@@turbyoulance The other side involves a child who literally does not have the mental capabilities that adults do as his brain has not stopped growing. Timothy acted like a child and a bully and was abusive. I'm not saying that the kid was easy to deal with, however, they should have pushed harder for assistance. They had the funds to do so. The adults are to blame in this case.
@@86bIDO52JF anti-social children can and have committed violence against their parents or siblings. I won’t pretend to know all the facts here, but his “affinity for bladed weapons” really makes me wonder if Tim believed that a clear and present danger existed and that he was protecting his family.
@@turbyoulancehe had many other options to handling the child. He's a bully and is getting the cell he built for himself. 🙌🏻
@@86bIDO52JF Yes, the adults are to blame, but that doesn't mean they should get the maximum sentence which is a whopping 40 years. That does not fit this crime. So many WAY worse offenders get less than that. People have killed their children and gotten less. Danny Masterson drugged and raped multiple women and he'll probably get less than that. Be reasonable.
Some children who are adopted have had a really rough start at life and possibly abused, so when you take in a child with behavioral issues, you better damn well be prepared and know how to deal with them and that is usually with a LOT of LOVE and security for that child. The way he treated that child was inexcusable and downright horrific. He played on that boy's insecurities making the child psychologically worse. He needed LOVE and positive encouragement, not punishment. This angers me SO BAD.
I think this man belongs in a box like this in the yard of the prison. My heart breaks for this child. 💔 😢
Very well thought out. One of my favorites of Dr. Grande's videos.
I've never heard of this case before! Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! Your true fans love your humor! Time to have some baked macaroni and cheese.
Eloquent and insightful, as ever. Thank you Dr Grande!
One thing no one mentions, is that the parents were heavily involved in their church. And even had their pastor support them in court.
Perhaps they were religious fanatics and adhered to strict disciplinary tactics overall. “Spare the rod, spoil the child” felt more natural to them than the touchy-feely soft approach of cognitive therapy advocating for the more demanding process of love, patience, inclusiveness, and endless positive reinforcement.
Hence Tim’s lack of insight about the plea deal, and I also have a feeling his calm exterior in court shows he never saw the error of his ways (and “God is on my side”). Perhaps Tim believed his son was “evil” or some version of “satan’s spawn”.
The 1 year old Ronan wasn’t able to bond with them, and so the parents didn’t feel a bond of love with Ronan either. These people had no proper skills to handle him at all.
I found it strange that they didn’t seem to ever pick up a book about child psychology or RAD, and inform themselves properly. Their claim that there was no help is simply bonkers.
I think they were perfectly aware of the advice, but were simply more driven towards a punitive attitude because that is what their church advocated to them.
Cruel people can sometimes use religion to channel their sadistic impulses, ignoring science and going with barbarous Bible edicts for edification gives them satisfaction.
I found this whole story so strange and barbaric. You never know with people.
Yes atheistic scientific USSR, Cuba, Mexian revolution times, French revolution times, and Vietnam were a beacon of non violence, peace, tranquility, justice, rationale thinking. lol.
@@FLpalm not impressed by your tedious old trope of “wars and uprisings that were non-religious prove that religion (i.e. magical thinking) is never used by evil people justifying evil”. Yawn.
@@greenbrain8725 Just correcting you that atheism brings evil. Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it. God's rejection now has brought Abortion, increased drug use, theft, riots, hate, division, evil, lewdness, promiscuity, wars, etc. All in the US for all to study. Scientists now can't discern a woman from a man. Man needs God because of our weaknesses and proneness to evil. Everybody is prone to evil. Me, you, Tim, the pope, all the saints over the years, etc.
God IS love, without such there is no love.
@@greenbrain8725 Just correcting you that atheism brings evil. Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it. God's rejection now has brought Abo&^^&^on, increased drug use, theft, riots, hate, division, evil, lewdness, promiscuity, wars, etc. All in the US for all to study. Scientists now can't discern a woman from a man. Man needs God because of our weaknesses and proneness to evil. Everybody is prone to evil. Me, you, Tim, the pope, all the saints over the years, etc. God IS love, without such there is no love.
Netflix has just put their prices up when I can support Todd on Patreon for a fraction of the price? Good day to be a fan of UA-cam 😂
What’s almost as shocking as the case is how prosecutors will regularly & gladly reduce a suggested sentence from 40 years down to 2, just to get the easy win. If this guy hadn’t been ignorant enough to think he could beat his case, he’d probably have been out sooner than 2 years. Remember that this is how we deal with crime, it’s not so much about right & wrong, guilt or innocence, it’s more about getting a conviction by any means necessary, even if that means reducing sentencing by 1000’s of percents.
It sounds like this is just a system working as designed. Insanity from the top down to the individual level.
Thank you for covering and analyzing this case. This case made my heartbreak and cry. Kids, adopted or not, are NOT commodities and possessions. Thank goodness for the contractor contacting the police. I would like AZ to investigate these “parents” looking at property records and anything relevant to see if they did something similar. It wouldn’t surprise me if they’ve done this before because abuse like this tends to escalate overtime. The digital evidence, the Ring camera footage was the most damning evidence. This is disgusting
If this kid had the behavior issues as claimed by his “father,” there are better and more effective means of addressing problematic behavior. They didn’t have to resort to abuse. This isn’t a simple mistake. This was intentional. They could have given up or signed over their rights as parents getting him out of the home for the safety of everyone in the home. It sounds like it isn’t safe to have this kid at home and may need to be in an institution. I hope they look into this kid’s COMPLETE hx, especially if he’s one in the system difficult to adopt out because of behavior. This kid’s behavior didn’t manifest overnight. I hope he gets the help he needs and deserves.
I hope the mother’s defense team negotiates a deal to avoid trial. The that would be the kindest most motherly thing she can do for this kid. If she truly loves this kid, she’ll make this difficult and right choice. I honestly believe the mother isn’t nearly as culpable as the dad in this case. That’s based on the evidence.