In my opinion it's probably a cable routing issue, routing the cables across the head tube is usually the best way to go. I'm pretty sure the hole the shift cable is going through is supposed to be for a dropper cable
Every bike that I've had with a dropper the cable is routed on the drive side of the frame. The shifter cable should definitely be on the same side that the brake cable is routed.
I just realized I haven't seen anything from you guys in weeks, so I looked you up. Stupid YT has apparently decided I don't want to see you videos anymore, despite being subscribed. Glad to see you're still making great content!
I love that you guys get to hang out and have common interests. I wish me and my dad had been more like that before he passed. It was likely much my fault though. Hoping my son and I do better. So far, he loves hunting and fishing and bikes, just like me, so far so good. lol. Anyway.... Loving the channel. Keep up the great work guys. Watching you guys religiously.
Watching your video right now I just wanna say man you guys are the greatest. You really put a warm spot a warm spot in my heart that’s love brother gets the best out there.🙏🏼😂🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Love the Ledge, and it always reminds me of Lawson when you bring it back. So I would definitely reroute the shifter to the non drive side. I though I had seen somewhere where your cables and hoses should always route around the front of the head tube and into the opposite side so shifter around the head tube to the non drive side, and dropper around to the drive side (at least in America, opposite in the UK). I would love to see some more rear shock vids too I know Marzocchi makes a cheaper rear shock.
Regarding the pivot bearings, you will likely need a bearing press to press them in and out, there are several episodes of Berm Peak where Seth uses one of these to change out bearings. I highly doubt you would need to replace them just yet, but taking the frame apart in order to access, clean, and re-grease the bearings would likely be a good idea. I need to do this on my YT Capra actually, it’s been creaking a fair amount and needs cleaned. Also I love the episode where you chase down Lawson on his expensive bike, pure Gold!
I really like my Marzocchi Z2! It's even better now I've done a lower service and installed a set of oil soaked foam rings in there. It lacked those from the factory. Great fork. That bike is a monster! Probably the best budget big box store Full Sus out there
I was having the same issue with my Advent X on my Mongoose Argus Trail. Come to find out one of the zip ties holding the cable was a bit to tight (my fault). It was creating to much friction causing hard shifting. You might have a similar issue somewhere in the system. I’m sure if you redo the cable and wiring while being careful around the areas it can get bound up, it will be great again. I also lubed up the shifting cable before I put it into the cable (TriFlow) . Shifts like butter again. You guys are how I found MicroSHIFT, most of my bikes have MicroSHIFT once I wear out whatever if on them. Thanks!
There's definitely some love here. You can feel it in the fights;) I was never a huge fan of the Ledge (line up), too pricey for my cheap butt & in need of suspension upgrades that add to the cost. That problem is only made worse by the fact that big box bikes now have nice offerings for less. You definitely turned it into a sweet bike, but at what cost? I may get that Acolyte groupset for my Mongoose, a Dolomite ALX.
I would put the shifter cable housing into the frame on the non drive side and drill out the cable mounts on the drive side chainstay and run a new housing and cable front to back
For the record, the X1 and X2 share the same frame. I just completed my X1 budget build (previously did an Ardor budget build). Running wide WTB i40s (thru axles that needed quite a bit of mods to fit, and fit the brakes, rubber is 27.5 x 2.8, Himalo 160 fork (love the Himalo 160 on my Ardor), cheap DNM coil shock but feels good to a hardtailer like myself. New bars, headset, sealed bearings, 125mm dropper, advent 1 x 9 trans with 34 oval up front, keeping the mechanical brakes for now. Love this bike. And yes, think u should replace the cable for the shifter.
How did you get a thru axle on the rear wheel of your bike?! I bought a set of Roval Traverse wheels and both are thru axle, so I need to either convert the rear wheel to quick release, or even better, find a way to convert it FROM quick release to thru axle. Can you share what you had to do?
@@adamtaylor4627i bought a QR converter axle and it works out well, after getting it properly centered. And for the record did the same for the front, as I am riding a QR fork. But it took alot more customizing including grinding down the end caps and drilling out washers for shims.
Great bike for shore once upgraded, but I would probably get the x2 since they are the same price by me or I would spend $180 more and get the Impasse 2.0 has a nicer paint job and I would replace almost everything anyway.
Replace the shift cable and housing. That old housing is pinching the cable. The routing is fine, but the housing is a tad long which is making too sharp of a bend and causing that pinch. When you run the new housing, turn the bars all the way left and making the housing just long enough to reach the shifter barrell. It'll end up being probably 2-3 inches shorter than the old housing. That should fix your shifting issues.
The major drawback of those z2 forks aside from rebuilding the bushings are not replaceable you have to replace the lowers every other year depends how much you ride but ya only on the z2 forks you would need to spend around$150-$170 on lowers to replace bushings reason why I will be upgrading my suspension
Good luck finding a Ledge X1 or X2.... It's discontinued by Mongoose and they've replaced it with the over priced Amazon version called the "Impasse 2.0". 🙄 Edit: When I bought my first AOY36RC, It leaked air whenever I went up above 200 psi. I went to a local bike shop to ask a mechanic and he said they actually have a max psi of only 200, which would explain why my first one leaked so much air. My 2nd one is over a year old and still performing great.
I was determined to get a Ledge until they were ghost... now recently I found one at Walmart and I almost got it but the reason talked me out of it.... I plan to alternate MTB and gravel (I ride a Poseidon Redwood) and pay $500 for a dual suspension frame is too much for me (I give a royal dime (%$&*)) if it's outdated frame but still it doesn't make financially.
I think Wolfman answered it.... Is it worth $500 as is? Or is is it worth $500, then upgrading it? It wouldn't take long to throw $700-$800 in it, on top of the $500 initial cost. So the question should be, is there another bike that is around $1300 that would fulfill everything you need? There are so many choices now in that price range. I really like the look of that bike though. The frame looks very nice.
That is the very question that I had to answer, and there were fs bikes in the same range as my end product budget build but did not have the setup i wanted. The X1 budget build checked all the boxes in regard to components because I literally chose every single one (and a couple of times I chose wrong initially). At the end of the day, there wasn't another bike that i wouldn't have pulled off components at that price point that matches the budget build budget.
Sorry guy's I learned about this ledge and had to sell it. it was nice but had it's short comings. I wish mongoose would have built it better. I rode it and it wears out fast and has not that much rear travel and it all, It wears out the bushings in the rear triangle so much and it gets so lose and wobbly out the back it's worthless! I was so pissed I put so much into mine and it just don't hold up at all and have fun trying to get replacement bushings and stuff from mongoose it's near impossible there service is so bad! Bearings in the top rocker all the rest cheap bushings in fact I drilled out my rear triangle and put better quality larger metal bushings in it and it was way better but still had slop eventually after riding, nothing like a full bearing suspension bike that's the downfall of the ledge you just waste your $ putting everything on it when you could get a better bike and have no worries... Like I ended up doing I got me the polygon D5 and it is so much better and for about the same price as the ledge when I added all my upgrades to it ! O an the ledges rear suspension is a joke it bobs like crazy when you put the power down also.
Agree, they always want to say these types of bikes are to upgrade over time. The issue is like what you experienced. The crap quality shows through if you actually ride it. They don't care about the facts, just clicks and subs.
@CJGrand1 If we just cared about "clicks and subs" we would do things way different and be just like everyone else(and have way more clicks and subs). This is a classic case of tell us you don't watch our channel without telling us that you don't watch our channel.🤦♂️
That wasn't me I didn't buy one of them shocks! I bought a couple of the X Fusion shocks cuz they're pretty cheap and I bought a NOS duralux Shimano shock that works really good
In my opinion it's probably a cable routing issue, routing the cables across the head tube is usually the best way to go. I'm pretty sure the hole the shift cable is going through is supposed to be for a dropper cable
Every bike that I've had with a dropper the cable is routed on the drive side of the frame. The shifter cable should definitely be on the same side that the brake cable is routed.
I just realized I haven't seen anything from you guys in weeks, so I looked you up. Stupid YT has apparently decided I don't want to see you videos anymore, despite being subscribed. Glad to see you're still making great content!
Lovely Father and Son moment to open the show. I've got the X2 still. Collecting dust in the barn. Was nice to see the old friend Ledge X1 again.
I love that you guys get to hang out and have common interests. I wish me and my dad had been more like that before he passed. It was likely much my fault though. Hoping my son and I do better. So far, he loves hunting and fishing and bikes, just like me, so far so good. lol. Anyway.... Loving the channel. Keep up the great work guys. Watching you guys religiously.
The Lawson episode was fantastic! Good stuff
😆👍🏻
Watching your video right now I just wanna say man you guys are the greatest. You really put a warm spot a warm spot in my heart that’s love brother gets the best out there.🙏🏼😂🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
This bike frame reminds me of the old Kona dawgs
Salvoooo!? excited to see the real differences against this bike since they look so similar
New cable and housing needed I think.
Nice to see the ledge again, nice bike that one
Stay safe guys 😎👍🍻
You could try using the cable port on the left for the rear shifter and the right port for a dropper in the future.
Love the Ledge, and it always reminds me of Lawson when you bring it back. So I would definitely reroute the shifter to the non drive side. I though I had seen somewhere where your cables and hoses should always route around the front of the head tube and into the opposite side so shifter around the head tube to the non drive side, and dropper around to the drive side (at least in America, opposite in the UK). I would love to see some more rear shock vids too I know Marzocchi makes a cheaper rear shock.
Regarding the pivot bearings, you will likely need a bearing press to press them in and out, there are several episodes of Berm Peak where Seth uses one of these to change out bearings. I highly doubt you would need to replace them just yet, but taking the frame apart in order to access, clean, and re-grease the bearings would likely be a good idea. I need to do this on my YT Capra actually, it’s been creaking a fair amount and needs cleaned. Also I love the episode where you chase down Lawson on his expensive bike, pure Gold!
🎵🎶 " Fat tired guys, you make the rockin' world go 'round! " 🎶🎵
I really like my Marzocchi Z2! It's even better now I've done a lower service and installed a set of oil soaked foam rings in there. It lacked those from the factory. Great fork. That bike is a monster! Probably the best budget big box store Full Sus out there
Good morning to WolfTick and Wolfman
Check your hanger too!
When you replace the bearings/bushings you should strip the paint down to raw aluminum on the pivot
So Wholesome
I was having the same issue with my Advent X on my Mongoose Argus Trail. Come to find out one of the zip ties holding the cable was a bit to tight (my fault). It was creating to much friction causing hard shifting. You might have a similar issue somewhere in the system. I’m sure if you redo the cable and wiring while being careful around the areas it can get bound up, it will be great again. I also lubed up the shifting cable before I put it into the cable (TriFlow) . Shifts like butter again.
You guys are how I found MicroSHIFT, most of my bikes have MicroSHIFT once I wear out whatever if on them. Thanks!
There's definitely some love here. You can feel it in the fights;)
I was never a huge fan of the Ledge (line up), too pricey for my cheap butt & in need of suspension upgrades that add to the cost. That problem is only made worse by the fact that big box bikes now have nice offerings for less. You definitely turned it into a sweet bike, but at what cost?
I may get that Acolyte groupset for my Mongoose, a Dolomite ALX.
I would put the shifter cable housing into the frame on the non drive side and drill out the cable mounts on the drive side chainstay and run a new housing and cable front to back
use a bit shorter housing, too. i just shortened a shifter cable housing and the action is much better
love my ledge
For the record, the X1 and X2 share the same frame. I just completed my X1 budget build (previously did an Ardor budget build). Running wide WTB i40s (thru axles that needed quite a bit of mods to fit, and fit the brakes, rubber is 27.5 x 2.8, Himalo 160 fork (love the Himalo 160 on my Ardor), cheap DNM coil shock but feels good to a hardtailer like myself. New bars, headset, sealed bearings, 125mm dropper, advent 1 x 9 trans with 34 oval up front, keeping the mechanical brakes for now. Love this bike. And yes, think u should replace the cable for the shifter.
How did you get a thru axle on the rear wheel of your bike?! I bought a set of Roval Traverse wheels and both are thru axle, so I need to either convert the rear wheel to quick release, or even better, find a way to convert it FROM quick release to thru axle. Can you share what you had to do?
Oh, for reference, I have Ledge X2, not the X1.
@@adamtaylor4627i bought a QR converter axle and it works out well, after getting it properly centered. And for the record did the same for the front, as I am riding a QR fork. But it took alot more customizing including grinding down the end caps and drilling out washers for shims.
You guys are why i got one of these and a shwinn axum dp
Omg! Boot R? 😮🤯
27.5 Plus is what i have on my Ripsaw. I believe they are a 2.8 or 3.0 and it is by far my least expensive and my most enjoyable to ride..
Yep, I am rolling Schwalbe (sp?) 2.8s and love the way it rides one I got the pressures dialed in for the terrain.
Jeremiah and John and I hope they send you the Salvo. I had the Teocali 27.5". I got stolen .... Miami.
Maybe!!
First! I returned mine a while back. it's decent for someone lighter weight
Have you considered just getting raceface chester pedals to match the rims and have name brand pedals? They are 29 bucks at rei, in several colors.
It's okay if the Mongoose you're getting isn't full budget style bike, it's okay to explore other things!
That DNM is a great shock, but you gotta make sure the source is legit and not someone trying to sell a blown out one. I have one on my Giant NRS 1.
Im guessing Mongoose is sending you the GU sport, same gravel bike they sent Matty Active
Great bike for shore once upgraded, but I would probably get the x2 since they are the same price by me or I would spend $180 more and get the Impasse 2.0 has a nicer paint job and I would replace almost everything anyway.
Yo, group set derailleur??? Let's go, link?
When are we getting some switchback expert videos
Probably next month.
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS looking forward to it!!!
Replace the shift cable and housing. That old housing is pinching the cable. The routing is fine, but the housing is a tad long which is making too sharp of a bend and causing that pinch.
When you run the new housing, turn the bars all the way left and making the housing just long enough to reach the shifter barrell. It'll end up being probably 2-3 inches shorter than the old housing.
That should fix your shifting issues.
Park Tool PCS-9.3 Home Mechanic Repair Stand gone? What you use now?
What does it weigh now? Original was 40lbs. What did you get it down to?
The major drawback of those z2 forks aside from rebuilding the bushings are not replaceable you have to replace the lowers every other year depends how much you ride but ya only on the z2 forks you would need to spend around$150-$170 on lowers to replace bushings reason why I will be upgrading my suspension
can you use a fork designed for 29" wheel/tire with 27.5" wheel/tire?
Yes
Yes
Don't clamp the frame in the work stand. Clamp the seat post. 🙃
Love mountain bikes !! Gravel bikes I’m not!
My wife found Rockbros pedals on Ali Express for under 10 bucks
Good luck finding a Ledge X1 or X2.... It's discontinued by Mongoose and they've replaced it with the over priced Amazon version called the "Impasse 2.0". 🙄
Edit: When I bought my first AOY36RC, It leaked air whenever I went up above 200 psi. I went to a local bike shop to ask a mechanic and he said they actually have a max psi of only 200, which would explain why my first one leaked so much air. My 2nd one is over a year old and still performing great.
If that frame has bearings you really shouldn't need to change them yet. I still have my acolyte, I put it on my gravel bike.
Uh those definitely where NOT PNW loam grips?
Salvo?
I was determined to get a Ledge until they were ghost... now recently I found one at Walmart and I almost got it but the reason talked me out of it.... I plan to alternate MTB and gravel (I ride a Poseidon Redwood) and pay $500 for a dual suspension frame is too much for me (I give a royal dime (%$&*)) if it's outdated frame but still it doesn't make financially.
I think Wolfman answered it.... Is it worth $500 as is? Or is is it worth $500, then upgrading it? It wouldn't take long to throw $700-$800 in it, on top of the $500 initial cost. So the question should be, is there another bike that is around $1300 that would fulfill everything you need? There are so many choices now in that price range. I really like the look of that bike though. The frame looks very nice.
That is the very question that I had to answer, and there were fs bikes in the same range as my end product budget build but did not have the setup i wanted. The X1 budget build checked all the boxes in regard to components because I literally chose every single one (and a couple of times I chose wrong initially). At the end of the day, there wasn't another bike that i wouldn't have pulled off components at that price point that matches the budget build budget.
Sorry guy's I learned about this ledge and had to sell it. it was nice but had it's short comings. I wish mongoose would have built it better. I rode it and it wears out fast and has not that much rear travel and it all, It wears out the bushings in the rear triangle so much and it gets so lose and wobbly out the back it's worthless! I was so pissed I put so much into mine and it just don't hold up at all and have fun trying to get replacement bushings and stuff from mongoose it's near impossible there service is so bad! Bearings in the top rocker all the rest cheap bushings in fact I drilled out my rear triangle and put better quality larger metal bushings in it and it was way better but still had slop eventually after riding, nothing like a full bearing suspension bike that's the downfall of the ledge you just waste your $ putting everything on it when you could get a better bike and have no worries... Like I ended up doing I got me the polygon D5 and it is so much better and for about the same price as the ledge when I added all my upgrades to it ! O an the ledges rear suspension is a joke it bobs like crazy when you put the power down also.
Agree, they always want to say these types of bikes are to upgrade over time. The issue is like what you experienced. The crap quality shows through if you actually ride it. They don't care about the facts, just clicks and subs.
Brother it’s a $500 full sus bike it’s supposed to be far from perfect
@PHFishingBiking I guess we have been lucky because we haven't had any issues with our Ledge X1...well at least so far.
@CJGrand1 If we just cared about "clicks and subs" we would do things way different and be just like everyone else(and have way more clicks and subs). This is a classic case of tell us you don't watch our channel without telling us that you don't watch our channel.🤦♂️
@donevy9784 Well said.
That wasn't me I didn't buy one of them shocks! I bought a couple of the X Fusion shocks cuz they're pretty cheap and I bought a NOS duralux Shimano shock that works really good
At $398, it's definitely worth it. At $498, I'll pass and buy a better bike!