I'm not sure if it's something you missed or if I maybe misinterpreted it but I watched Bone Tomahawk a few weeks ago and I felt that it was heavily implied that the "bad guys" were not quite "human" in a sense. They're very much painted as semi supernatural/inbred/mutant characters that stemmed from a group of natives but were corrupted at some point. That's why the professor says specifically that they aren't his kind because they aren't entirely human anymore.
@SamSphinx ok? At the time the movie takes place native Americans would be considered the enemy so it makes sense why they are the antagonist lol I also wouldn't be suprised if people who survived an attack literally described them as monsters lol god forbid you read a book and see what they were really saying about these people at that time 🤦♂️
@@Trashweebx but Bone Tomahawk (2015) is not a historical document. It's a movie. And most of the canon of Western fiction has Indigenous people as villains. The issue with Bone Tomahawk is that the writer/director put a single line of dialogue saying "I swear guys these are not actually natives they're mother r*ping monsters" Yet, like I said, use just the same imagery as any old western would. Just because the view that Indigenous people were monsters was "accurate" from the settlers' perspective at the time doesn't mean it should be lazily perpetuated today. Or is that too woke for you?
@SamSphinx nah yall are making a nothing burger lol he made a movie that made sense sorry he didn't use monsters? Lol they already did cowboys and aliens and that movie was a failure 😂 I can't wait to see your cowboy monster flick tho I'm sure plenty of people are just waiting to see that cross over 🤦♂️
Interestingly enough, many pre-Columbian indigenous tribes practiced banishment as an extreme measure for dealing with antisocial outcasts. Murderers, thieves, rapists, etc. could be banished from their tribes if the group agreed to do so. These guys would often form their own pseudo-tribes of banished outcasts that would band together for survival. This led to campfire stories about fearsome all-male bands stalking the wilderness pillaging, stealing, raping, and murdering that pre-date European arrival. It's my understanding that Bone Tomahawk is inspired by these stories.
This was an amazing comprehensive video, I watched puppet master a very long time ago and tried to rewatch it recently and I just couldn’t, it’s interesting to see the rest of the writing and filming he is involved in!
@@spumbucket6845speaking as someone who thought Brawl in Cellblock 99 was terrible, what did you like about it? I’m genuinely curious as I just couldn’t get with it, I found the story, the acting, the direction, just all bad like watching a B movie but not the good kind.
Another good listen. I appreciate that it feels like a friendly conversation instead of an essay or lecture. Even if it is still clearly a one sided one. 😂 Willingness to allow stumbles or calling yourself out on stuff you just said. Adds to the enjoyment.
I somehow got recommended you channel with that first video after your change and I gotta say, Ive really enjoyed everything so far. You're hard work is appreciated and I look forward to the future of your content ❤😊
okay, I'm backing Bone Tomahawk using anthropology. I studied native american cultures in university and absolutely love them in every way. Okay so, you're accidentally I imagine being ignorant to Native Americans. Native Americans as a culture is a classic mistake people make all time regarding their people. They have no concept of Native American until the first settlers in the Americans, however, they do have their own understanding of culture and people. What's more accurate is saying Apache, something more specific because Native American folk aren't monolithic, they believe different things, have different cultural practices and have different relationships to each other. now, how do we understand bone tomahawk with that being said? we are explicitly told that the Troglodytes (it's also not an offensive term, it literally and only refers to cave dwelling) aren't of his people but something different, which is just how native Americans view each other anyways. they literally are Native Americans and coded as such, but textually and accurate we are explicitly told that these are not people that are consistent with the rest of their race, but an aberration amongst them. This is the equivalent of me and a European saying those dudes in the hill are murderers and extrapolating that all Europeans are murderers. That's just not how it goes, nor does bone tomahawk understand Native Americans in a way that's consistent with the racist depictions of the past, which admittedly, the way you spoke about them as a homogeneous people did fall into. all of this is to say that Bad native american's did exist, as does anyone of any form of classification, Bone tomahawk even went out of its way to make the audience understand that they were an aberration even to the people they share a geopolitical orbit too. assuming that they are both Monolithic AND that they can't or shouldn't be villains is often considered by various native scholars as being offensive as it washes away the political and historical reality of an oppressed group. I'm not saying you're intending to be offensive, it's very clear you're coming from a good place but you do make a couple of mistakes that native american academics have an issue with.
You’re completely missing the point. The issue is that the antagonists are depicted using all of the worst and most harmful stereotypes of native Americans. This isnt some nuanced piece exploring the complex humanity of indigenous people, it is based entirely in western and colonial ideas and images of native people
Seconded. This was exactly the comment I was looking for in being usefully informative while keeping the pseudo enlightened parts of this vid in check. There's a lot of ironic damage that gets done when overcompensating with the same level of bias vs. actually just having an open mind to understand.
I think being disgusted with a lot of sexual assault in Hollywood makes sense, especially with how gratuitous it often is. 🤮It is usually more palatable if its implied and not shown
Troglodyte literally means cave-dweller. It has no negative connotations, except that it's used to call someone stupid or primitive, like a caveman. And when I watch the movie, I of them as a prehistoric human species. Of course they're going to wear leather and bones and have long hair and use primitive weapons, that's how prehistoric people would have likely looked.
Watched all of Zahler's filmography he has a lot of the hallmarks of Coen movies. The casual relationship to violence and race that seems to be a blasé when in the frame. The ensemble casts and the use of talented but underrated character actors. Basically I'm trying to say that every-time Zahler and Udo Kier work together its magical.
Lovely message to end the video on. Often we are overloaded with so much hatred and evil in the world that it can blind us to the good. There are people who, when the floodwaters get high and the sky grows black, opt to become monsters and let their worst impulses govern them, but for everyone like that who fails to rise to the occasion there are those who are willing to be good and do the right thing for no other reason than that it is the right thing, and I think that’s damn cool
absolutely love the direction you're taking your channel in, banger after banger since your favorite devils video. you're such a great writer and editor and im very excited to see your channel grow!! (also i will die for Pancake)
The troglodytes not being native american reminds me of Silence of the Lambs where they said Buffalo Bill was not a true "transsexual", and IIRC they pulled the same thing in Psycho too
31:47 I don’t think being uncomfortable with SA in movies is a character flaw 😅 I think it just makes you an empathetic person lol To the point of maybe it being how men write SA: something I’ve seen pointed out by other people is that a lot of SA written by men focuses on the “sex” aspect of it. Some go so far as to shoot these scenes in the same way they would a sex scene, which is gross. SA is violence. It’s violation of tier little else can compare to, and sadly a lot of movies don’t treat it as such. I’ll also add to this comment that your criticism of Bone Tomahawk is not at all a hot take and it’s a bummer some people are being weird about it.
A great video looking over these videos and these writing faults, and very nice to write to (I pop the video out and put it in the corner), but I couldn't help but notice how much Pancake looks like my own dog! Her name's Raven. She's sleeping by my feet, and I hope she got to have fun at the store and dog park.
Thanks for the pancake cam when talking about assault.. as someone who LOVES horror and cam deal with gore, I've been assulted (more than once..) and just cannot handle assult in media. It's just gross and feels unnecessary for just shock value a lot of the time. Not all of the time, just is very prevalent for shock value sometimes unfortunately -_-
31:36 i think the idea of very gruesome violence is very distant from us; you barley hear of that violence near you so why mind it bc it’s just an over the top scene while any scene describing gruesome sexual assault is reality for majority of women and fem presenting people so just having it there present with absolutely no reason besides just it is what it is all of these scenes made majority by men isn’t to have some meaning to why or to make the viewer question the normalcy in our society but to gawk at it like another over the top scene instead of the reality women fear or had done to them, it is a stark reminder of how no one sees their trauma as it is but as something to gawk i spoke in binary terms since the conversation solely focused on women/fem ppl who experienced this
Though people can speculate about Zahler’s politics, the films are still pretty great. And there is a difference between fixating on violence and portraying it a bit more honestly, which I think Zahler does. Bone Tomahawk is a horror movie with boots on. So the graphic end shouldn’t be a surprise in the era of Saw and Hostel sequels.
Hi, could you give Pancake some extra loving from this household. Not trying to get too personal, but are you a Texan? Cause yeah - we don’t lay in the grass in Texas. It bites 😂 I didn’t realize that wariness wasn’t a cultural universal until I was on my second international field school. I tried with Bone, I really did but the way the antagonists and the women were portrayed and labeled REALLY shut me down. I figured it was just a personal problem.
Ya know I really enjoyed Bone Tomahawk but you bring up a really good point with the problematic antagonists. The repeated use of cannibalistic native-americans, assault of women, and racial violence in general is a big red flag. It’s also really uncomfortable sitting through SA scenes in movies. I totally agree. I’ll watch a dude get gutted but SA is awful to see.
I am a firmly left leaning lib when it comes to social issues and policy. Pretty much blue no matter who frankly. That being said, i do find a lot of progressive film analysis quite dull and very samey. I think a good critic can take good aspects of a writer and present them without getting bogged down at the parts that made them uncomfortable. I get it. Zahler is a nasty writer and I'd not write stories like him but you watched all of his movies read some of his books and even read his scripts. You clearly found him compelling and thats ok. Violence is an unfortunate part of human nature that is woven into and explored in more films than not, and at the very least zahler explores it in fascinating and vivid ways. Some of his stories veer into ridiculousness absolutely but its the same reason i enjoy a Kojima game: zahler has a distinct voice and style that sets him apart from the crowd. Hes very far from perfect of course. I just finished the slanted gutter and the third act of that book veers a little too far into ridiculous but was still a fun read at least.
Also if you think zahler is pro cop they are unambiguously the villains in the slanted gutter. Pretty much all corrupt and brutal. So it really doesn't feel like he picks sides and it just tends to change movie to movie. I also thought the two daughters in wraiths were interesting and developed in an interesting ways. From what I remember the drugged out daughter cleaned up and really grew by the end. Though it has been awhile since I read it.
i don't understand why you danced around using savage. Its a movie dude. super pozzed review. Also, you said nothing of substance when you tried to tackle the savage/trog discussion. You just kept saying its "weird". Bravo!
I guess I’m not understanding why Tribal style characters can’t be the bad guy, described as beasts and savages in a movie? It’s literally not controversial
@@scumlord4709 referring to and portraying Native Americans as “savages” was quite literally used to justify genocide. Like that word in particular holds a lot of negative connotations when it comes to indigenous people.
@@scumlord4709 no? Just saying that the word savage has some really bad racial connotations and you shouldn’t use it to describe or refer to Native American people. I don’t think Native Americans can’t be villains in a movie, but calling Native people “beasts and savages” is in fact, controversial.
@@canislupus4655 Definition: “ lacking the restraints normal to civilized human beings : fierce, ferocious. a savage criminal.” Seems pretty accurate to me.
@@scumlord4709 ….you genuinely think actual Native American people are uncivilized and criminals? That’s really sad dude. That’s 16th century levels of racism.
havent seen this movie but instantly upon seeing the title i knew who this was about! i feel like that's kinda telling lmao. i generally like bone tomahawk, but i also havent seen it since attempting and ultimately giving up on brawl in cell block 99. had the sudden feeling of "oh, i accidentally attributed to ignorance what was really done with malice! uh-oh!"
Bro really like your stuff so far but bone tomahawk calling antagonists troglodytes is where you draw the line? They go out of their way to tell and show how these are not ""native Americans""in the way that, these are cave dwellers who have been living like this for centuries, it is also implied that they menaced other native American tribes in the past and also kidnapped their women. They are descented from cave dwelling native cannibals not native Americans who roamed the plaines and lived in teepees as we know it. It is the same this as the descent, its humans who deformed and reshaped over time to suit their enviroment. Also it makes sense they are coded as native americans since they share the same land and as i mentioned have violently interacted with them
Brilliant overview but absolutely spineless commentary. Actually crazy that explicitly hateful left-wing films are given a pass but the mere scent of anything even vaguely right-of-centre immediately sounds alarms. Grow up.
Its also playing on the Wendigo trope, the lore originally being Native Americans that have resorted to cannibalism becoming a devolved and fallen sub human, to be shunned by their tribe forever more. In that light, I don't see anything wrong with it. (Some see racism everywhere and in everything, whether its there or not. Its sad that society had moved on from it all, but there are always a few that just wont let everyone move on and keep picking those old wounds, rather than letting them heal)
@@VincentNajger1 there are thousands of human remains that still have not been repatriated. Remains that have been repatriated have to be buried in secret locations because people have and will dig them up. There is a whole generation of people who were put through residential schools. The last of which closed in the 90s. The mass graves at those schools are still being excavated. The Highway of Tears and the general lack of care towards missing indigenous women is still very present. Every Native American person I know has stories about discrimination. Plural. This isn’t even scratching the surface of what these people face. Say what will about the movie, but these are not old wounds. At least to the people who don’t have the luxury of forgetting them.
@@Starkweather133 yup. What can I say. LA is a steaming shithole and has been for a very long time. Most people have never experienced real racism. You have to go to the developing world to see it, or go to China.
dude is an a crazy run with these essays from the ones I've watched. 2 months and hasn't missed yet. the quality is insane 👌🏾
(presumably) having your youtube channel named after your dog? absolutely goated.
oh no this is HER channel, her dad justs posts on it sometimes
the redemption arc of taking Pancake to the park made me a little dewey, hope y'all had a great time
DUDE!!!! Scratched a very specific itch with TWO ESSAYS IN A ROW!!!! Thank you
I'm not sure if it's something you missed or if I maybe misinterpreted it but I watched Bone Tomahawk a few weeks ago and I felt that it was heavily implied that the "bad guys" were not quite "human" in a sense. They're very much painted as semi supernatural/inbred/mutant characters that stemmed from a group of natives but were corrupted at some point. That's why the professor says specifically that they aren't his kind because they aren't entirely human anymore.
Yeah, but they still use like 99% of the tropes and imagery of if they were "normal" Indigenous people
@SamSphinx ok? At the time the movie takes place native Americans would be considered the enemy so it makes sense why they are the antagonist lol I also wouldn't be suprised if people who survived an attack literally described them as monsters lol god forbid you read a book and see what they were really saying about these people at that time 🤦♂️
@@Trashweebx but Bone Tomahawk (2015) is not a historical document. It's a movie. And most of the canon of Western fiction has Indigenous people as villains.
The issue with Bone Tomahawk is that the writer/director put a single line of dialogue saying "I swear guys these are not actually natives they're mother r*ping monsters"
Yet, like I said, use just the same imagery as any old western would.
Just because the view that Indigenous people were monsters was "accurate" from the settlers' perspective at the time doesn't mean it should be lazily perpetuated today.
Or is that too woke for you?
@SamSphinx nah yall are making a nothing burger lol he made a movie that made sense sorry he didn't use monsters? Lol they already did cowboys and aliens and that movie was a failure 😂 I can't wait to see your cowboy monster flick tho I'm sure plenty of people are just waiting to see that cross over 🤦♂️
@SamSphinx also woke? What are you 30 lol
Interestingly enough, many pre-Columbian indigenous tribes practiced banishment as an extreme measure for dealing with antisocial outcasts. Murderers, thieves, rapists, etc. could be banished from their tribes if the group agreed to do so. These guys would often form their own pseudo-tribes of banished outcasts that would band together for survival. This led to campfire stories about fearsome all-male bands stalking the wilderness pillaging, stealing, raping, and murdering that pre-date European arrival. It's my understanding that Bone Tomahawk is inspired by these stories.
This was an amazing comprehensive video, I watched puppet master a very long time ago and tried to rewatch it recently and I just couldn’t, it’s interesting to see the rest of the writing and filming he is involved in!
Hope the algorithm blesses you again with this one. I've never heard of this movie
Brawl in cell block 99 and bone tomahawk are great. Brawl in cell block 99 is his best in my opinion
@@spumbucket6845speaking as someone who thought Brawl in Cellblock 99 was terrible, what did you like about it? I’m genuinely curious as I just couldn’t get with it, I found the story, the acting, the direction, just all bad like watching a B movie but not the good kind.
I genuinely cant believe your channel isnt way bigger than it is?? Your videos are so good and edited so beautifully. Also hi Pancake
Keep up the great content man because video essays this long with this quality are rare af
You’re my new fave channel ! Thanks for the video. Great quality.
Another good listen. I appreciate that it feels like a friendly conversation instead of an essay or lecture. Even if it is still clearly a one sided one. 😂
Willingness to allow stumbles or calling yourself out on stuff you just said. Adds to the enjoyment.
I somehow got recommended you channel with that first video after your change and I gotta say, Ive really enjoyed everything so far. You're hard work is appreciated and I look forward to the future of your content ❤😊
I appreciate the constant cuts to Pancake. She's a cutie. ❤
Wow excited to settle in w this one, just came from your devil video!
okay, I'm backing Bone Tomahawk using anthropology. I studied native american cultures in university and absolutely love them in every way. Okay so, you're accidentally I imagine being ignorant to Native Americans. Native Americans as a culture is a classic mistake people make all time regarding their people. They have no concept of Native American until the first settlers in the Americans, however, they do have their own understanding of culture and people. What's more accurate is saying Apache, something more specific because Native American folk aren't monolithic, they believe different things, have different cultural practices and have different relationships to each other. now, how do we understand bone tomahawk with that being said? we are explicitly told that the Troglodytes (it's also not an offensive term, it literally and only refers to cave dwelling) aren't of his people but something different, which is just how native Americans view each other anyways. they literally are Native Americans and coded as such, but textually and accurate we are explicitly told that these are not people that are consistent with the rest of their race, but an aberration amongst them. This is the equivalent of me and a European saying those dudes in the hill are murderers and extrapolating that all Europeans are murderers. That's just not how it goes, nor does bone tomahawk understand Native Americans in a way that's consistent with the racist depictions of the past, which admittedly, the way you spoke about them as a homogeneous people did fall into.
all of this is to say that Bad native american's did exist, as does anyone of any form of classification, Bone tomahawk even went out of its way to make the audience understand that they were an aberration even to the people they share a geopolitical orbit too. assuming that they are both Monolithic AND that they can't or shouldn't be villains is often considered by various native scholars as being offensive as it washes away the political and historical reality of an oppressed group. I'm not saying you're intending to be offensive, it's very clear you're coming from a good place but you do make a couple of mistakes that native american academics have an issue with.
You’re completely missing the point. The issue is that the antagonists are depicted using all of the worst and most harmful stereotypes of native Americans. This isnt some nuanced piece exploring the complex humanity of indigenous people, it is based entirely in western and colonial ideas and images of native people
Extremely well said 👏
Seconded. This was exactly the comment I was looking for in being usefully informative while keeping the pseudo enlightened parts of this vid in check. There's a lot of ironic damage that gets done when overcompensating with the same level of bias vs. actually just having an open mind to understand.
@MondayNightFriend it's easy to do when you don't care enough to do your research on it, in my opinion
I think being disgusted with a lot of sexual assault in Hollywood makes sense, especially with how gratuitous it often is. 🤮It is usually more palatable if its implied and not shown
Troglodyte literally means cave-dweller. It has no negative connotations, except that it's used to call someone stupid or primitive, like a caveman. And when I watch the movie, I of them as a prehistoric human species. Of course they're going to wear leather and bones and have long hair and use primitive weapons, that's how prehistoric people would have likely looked.
Dude the uploads schedule and quality are AMAZING, I’ll be glad to say that one day that I was one of your first subscribers. Never stop❤️
Kristijan stanko has the movie uploaded on UA-cam. If you wanna pause pre-spoilers
Watched all of Zahler's filmography he has a lot of the hallmarks of Coen movies. The casual relationship to violence and race that seems to be a blasé when in the frame. The ensemble casts and the use of talented but underrated character actors. Basically I'm trying to say that every-time Zahler and Udo Kier work together its magical.
Lovely message to end the video on. Often we are overloaded with so much hatred and evil in the world that it can blind us to the good. There are people who, when the floodwaters get high and the sky grows black, opt to become monsters and let their worst impulses govern them, but for everyone like that who fails to rise to the occasion there are those who are willing to be good and do the right thing for no other reason than that it is the right thing, and I think that’s damn cool
absolutely love the direction you're taking your channel in, banger after banger since your favorite devils video. you're such a great writer and editor and im very excited to see your channel grow!! (also i will die for Pancake)
The troglodytes not being native american reminds me of Silence of the Lambs where they said Buffalo Bill was not a true "transsexual", and IIRC they pulled the same thing in Psycho too
31:47 I don’t think being uncomfortable with SA in movies is a character flaw 😅 I think it just makes you an empathetic person lol
To the point of maybe it being how men write SA: something I’ve seen pointed out by other people is that a lot of SA written by men focuses on the “sex” aspect of it. Some go so far as to shoot these scenes in the same way they would a sex scene, which is gross. SA is violence. It’s violation of tier little else can compare to, and sadly a lot of movies don’t treat it as such.
I’ll also add to this comment that your criticism of Bone Tomahawk is not at all a hot take and it’s a bummer some people are being weird about it.
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A great video looking over these videos and these writing faults, and very nice to write to (I pop the video out and put it in the corner), but I couldn't help but notice how much Pancake looks like my own dog! Her name's Raven. She's sleeping by my feet, and I hope she got to have fun at the store and dog park.
Great video overall, but gotta say that Pancake stole the spotlight.
Thanks for the pancake cam when talking about assault.. as someone who LOVES horror and cam deal with gore, I've been assulted (more than once..) and just cannot handle assult in media. It's just gross and feels unnecessary for just shock value a lot of the time. Not all of the time, just is very prevalent for shock value sometimes unfortunately -_-
31:36 i think the idea of very gruesome violence is very distant from us; you barley hear of that violence near you so why mind it bc it’s just an over the top scene while any scene describing gruesome sexual assault is reality for majority of women and fem presenting people so just having it there present with absolutely no reason besides just it is what it is
all of these scenes made majority by men isn’t to have some meaning to why or to make the viewer question the normalcy in our society but to gawk at it like another over the top scene instead of the reality women fear or had done to them, it is a stark reminder of how no one sees their trauma as it is but as something to gawk
i spoke in binary terms since the conversation solely focused on women/fem ppl who experienced this
Though people can speculate about Zahler’s politics, the films are still pretty great.
And there is a difference between fixating on violence and portraying it a bit more honestly, which I think Zahler does. Bone Tomahawk is a horror movie with boots on. So the graphic end shouldn’t be a surprise in the era of Saw and Hostel sequels.
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The number of times Zahler wrote about cannibalistic Native Americans is crazy.
Definitely "a fool me once" type of scenario
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Hi, could you give Pancake some extra loving from this household.
Not trying to get too personal, but are you a Texan? Cause yeah - we don’t lay in the grass in Texas. It bites 😂
I didn’t realize that wariness wasn’t a cultural universal until I was on my second international field school.
I tried with Bone, I really did but the way the antagonists and the women were portrayed and labeled REALLY shut me down. I figured it was just a personal problem.
Ya know I really enjoyed Bone Tomahawk but you bring up a really good point with the problematic antagonists. The repeated use of cannibalistic native-americans, assault of women, and racial violence in general is a big red flag.
It’s also really uncomfortable sitting through SA scenes in movies. I totally agree. I’ll watch a dude get gutted but SA is awful to see.
You're way too sensitive to all this 'problematic' stuff.
I am a firmly left leaning lib when it comes to social issues and policy. Pretty much blue no matter who frankly. That being said, i do find a lot of progressive film analysis quite dull and very samey. I think a good critic can take good aspects of a writer and present them without getting bogged down at the parts that made them uncomfortable. I get it. Zahler is a nasty writer and I'd not write stories like him but you watched all of his movies read some of his books and even read his scripts. You clearly found him compelling and thats ok. Violence is an unfortunate part of human nature that is woven into and explored in more films than not, and at the very least zahler explores it in fascinating and vivid ways. Some of his stories veer into ridiculousness absolutely but its the same reason i enjoy a Kojima game: zahler has a distinct voice and style that sets him apart from the crowd. Hes very far from perfect of course. I just finished the slanted gutter and the third act of that book veers a little too far into ridiculous but was still a fun read at least.
Also if you think zahler is pro cop they are unambiguously the villains in the slanted gutter. Pretty much all corrupt and brutal. So it really doesn't feel like he picks sides and it just tends to change movie to movie. I also thought the two daughters in wraiths were interesting and developed in an interesting ways. From what I remember the drugged out daughter cleaned up and really grew by the end. Though it has been awhile since I read it.
Hey so I checked out the concrete movie….is it a right winger movie? I really can’t tell.
That's weird that's what you got out of it
i don't understand why you danced around using savage. Its a movie dude. super pozzed review. Also, you said nothing of substance when you tried to tackle the savage/trog discussion. You just kept saying its "weird". Bravo!
There seems to be some dissonance he feels when confronted with stuff that could be "political"
I guess I’m not understanding why Tribal style characters can’t be the bad guy, described as beasts and savages in a movie? It’s literally not controversial
@@scumlord4709 referring to and portraying Native Americans as “savages” was quite literally used to justify genocide. Like that word in particular holds a lot of negative connotations when it comes to indigenous people.
@@canislupus4655 okay, so what you’re saying is Native Americans aren’t allowed to be the bad guy in western movies?
@@scumlord4709 no? Just saying that the word savage has some really bad racial connotations and you shouldn’t use it to describe or refer to Native American people.
I don’t think Native Americans can’t be villains in a movie, but calling Native people “beasts and savages” is in fact, controversial.
@@canislupus4655 Definition: “ lacking the restraints normal to civilized human beings : fierce, ferocious. a savage criminal.” Seems pretty accurate to me.
@@scumlord4709 ….you genuinely think actual Native American people are uncivilized and criminals?
That’s really sad dude. That’s 16th century levels of racism.
havent seen this movie but instantly upon seeing the title i knew who this was about! i feel like that's kinda telling lmao. i generally like bone tomahawk, but i also havent seen it since attempting and ultimately giving up on brawl in cell block 99. had the sudden feeling of "oh, i accidentally attributed to ignorance what was really done with malice! uh-oh!"
bone tomohawk is timeless
Bro really like your stuff so far but bone tomahawk calling antagonists troglodytes is where you draw the line? They go out of their way to tell and show how these are not ""native Americans""in the way that, these are cave dwellers who have been living like this for centuries, it is also implied that they menaced other native American tribes in the past and also kidnapped their women. They are descented from cave dwelling native cannibals not native Americans who roamed the plaines and lived in teepees as we know it. It is the same this as the descent, its humans who deformed and reshaped over time to suit their enviroment. Also it makes sense they are coded as native americans since they share the same land and as i mentioned have violently interacted with them
Yea after reading your comment and a couple others like it I'll pass on watching this. Already in the first 5 min dude started virtue signaling lol
>Notes uncomfortable it is to watch mel gibson in a racist role
>Note how uncomfortable it is to watch mel gibson in general
Then...don't watch it?
That's what I'm what saying i thought we were all adults here
The guy wrote the lyrics for 4 Metal Albums, any criticism of him in this video should be flushed down the toilet.
Brilliant overview but absolutely spineless commentary. Actually crazy that explicitly hateful left-wing films are given a pass but the mere scent of anything even vaguely right-of-centre immediately sounds alarms. Grow up.
Oh toughen up Mel Gibson is the man
That writer’s work gives Copaganda considering how cops are written into his works
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This ain't discord bruh
Just for reference, Charlyne Yi uses they/them pronouns
Thumbnail and title isn’t great took me like 12 hours to finally click this
Its also playing on the Wendigo trope, the lore originally being Native Americans that have resorted to cannibalism becoming a devolved and fallen sub human, to be shunned by their tribe forever more. In that light, I don't see anything wrong with it.
(Some see racism everywhere and in everything, whether its there or not. Its sad that society had moved on from it all, but there are always a few that just wont let everyone move on and keep picking those old wounds, rather than letting them heal)
@@VincentNajger1 there are thousands of human remains that still have not been repatriated. Remains that have been repatriated have to be buried in secret locations because people have and will dig them up.
There is a whole generation of people who were put through residential schools. The last of which closed in the 90s. The mass graves at those schools are still being excavated.
The Highway of Tears and the general lack of care towards missing indigenous women is still very present.
Every Native American person I know has stories about discrimination. Plural. This isn’t even scratching the surface of what these people face.
Say what will about the movie, but these are not old wounds. At least to the people who don’t have the luxury of forgetting them.
Society moved on from racism? What utopia are you from?
@@Starkweather133 the 90s
@@VincentNajger1 is that the same 90s with race riots in the US?
@@Starkweather133 yup. What can I say. LA is a steaming shithole and has been for a very long time. Most people have never experienced real racism. You have to go to the developing world to see it, or go to China.
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