"Justice without force is powerless, Force without Justice is Tyranny." -Corvus Corax Primarch of the 19th Legion Edit: I Return to this comment a year later to see ppl debating morality in animals….
Or as they put it in Magical Girl Spec Ops: "Justice without power is impotence. Power without justice is violence" There was also something about the path of the magical girl being paved with Karate and someone getting kicked through a wall, but you know....
Force without justice is the basic fundamental law of the reality tho. Is it justice when a Lion snaps the neck of a weak gazelle between his mighty jaws?
I dont agree with silcos extremism, But yes politic are th extention of poitics and ideas,nd canb hndd responsibly,or not. I get silco chilled down ok.
For sure. I had some plans for Arcane in this one, but kept it out for a different idea, which I somehow forgot. I'll have to check my notes and see. I think it was along the lines of discussing how the tension created by people like him and its benefits in certain situations
@@marocat4749 I prefer what Armstrong said in MGR. He could have gone pro in football, you know. If it wasn't for the bureaucratic system making the weak parasitizing off of the people who try to work just to live. While building up their hypocritical war machine to uphold their sick and twisted agendas until society breaks into civil war or decays into submissive servitude. Just to repeat it all over again.
"Violence is the supteme authority from which all other authority is derived." "If you do not possess the capacity for violence, you are not peaceful you are harmless"
@@Chiefteeth1 the directors of the movie literally said that the movie is having a laugh at fascism. That's why Neil Patrick Harris is wearing an all black SS uniform. Sure in the grand scheme of things there's no "hero" or heros but we're certainly not meant to side with the guys in Nazi uniforms
Being comfortable around violence and understanding the gravity behind it. You learn to humble yourself around it and try you best to prevent it. But you will also know how to properly react when you experience it.
Indeed. There is a saying, "Violence is the first option and last choice of professionals" When you truly understand the gravity of violence, not just to the opponent, but, to their family and to yourself you see it as something to avoid if possible. It should be used only used in the gravest extreme. Violence is not a game.
I think the best quote I've seen on the subject was from Bleach. "The Third Company's flower is a kinsenka the marigold. It symbolizes despair. Its also the symbol of our confidence and pride. Fighting isn't heroic. Its not meant to be exhilarating. Violence should only bring despair. Its dark, and terrifying. It must remain gruesome. Otherwise people won't fear it...and try to avoid it." ~Izuru Kira, Bleach
@@Wastelandman7000once you've seen a brain injury as the result of a completely avoidable fight it will forever change your outlook on fighting and violence as a whole
@@juiceboxbzrkTripping is all it takes, an unlucky jab to the head can be the end, and that is if the opponent is fighting barehanded, because you never know who's carrying a weapon with them, or may be able to pick one from the environment. The key rule I learned when I learned boxing was that in order to win any confrontation was to not engage with one, to run away, use everything I have at my disposal to put as much distance between me and my opponent, and if it is not possible to avoid fighting, then you win by any means necessary.
I think the best quote I've seen on the subject was from Bleach. "The Third Company's flower is a kinsenka the marigold. It symbolizes despair. Its also the symbol of our confidence and pride. Fighting isn't heroic. Its not meant to be exhilarating. Violence should only bring despair. Its dark, and terrifying. It must remain gruesome. Otherwise people won't fear it...and try to avoid it." ~Izuru Kira, Bleach Violence isn't a game. It is necessary, but, its also necessary for everyone to treat it with the gravity it deserves.
If I may pull from another classic, Samurai Champloo, "One should not carry a sword if one is not able and willing to use it." This constitutes two separate disciplines when it comes to how one should approach violence: The capacity to bestow violence upon one's enemy and the wisdom of when to and when not to. One is a discipline of the body. The other is a discipline of the mind. You need both to develop a warrior mentality.
True. I like this quote from Bleach about how serious violence is as well, ""The Third Company's flower is a kinsenka the marigold. It symbolizes despair. Its also the symbol of our confidence and pride. Fighting isn't heroic. Its not meant to be exhilarating. Violence should only bring despair. Its dark, and terrifying. It must remain gruesome. Otherwise people won't fear it...and try to avoid it." ~Izuru Kira, Bleach
i fundamentally disagree, sometimes just by merely carrying a sword you can perhaps convince your foes not to commit to violence, it's a bluff that doesn't always work but it's a bluff that can work, I'm not saying everyone should always carry a weapon but even without the will or the capacity to fight sometimes just by being armed you can motivate your opponents to think twice about pursuing violence and with that second thought they can choose to resolve things peacefully. weapons are large factors when it comes to fighting, champloo is disregarding that factor to teach people about discipline, granted discipline is important but it's not the only factor and if you don't consider all the factors than the most optimal decision is unlikely to be apparent.
@@Karan-Aujla that is a fair point but in dire circumstances it's still the best option, beyond that even if you lack the capacity to use it properly you can still be dangerous, albeit to yourself and your foes but still dangerous nonetheless, if you have the time to do so yes it's wise to learn to be effective with your weapon and everyone should strengthen their mind but if you lack the time to improve in any of these areas simply having a weapon can be an advantage that could save your life, you are right in that ineptitude can land you in deep shit but when it comes to combat being unarmed can land you in way deeper shit. that is a valid point though.
I feel like a large part of what makes phycopass so potent is that historically classes where always sent to deal with eachother. The poor will be sent to fight the poor.
Depends a lot on the period. Many times it was professionalized and the rich would crush the poor and crush each other with the poor just being part of the infrastructure
@@badart3204 What? No, the rich maybe led the poor but there was never enough of them to actually fight back in case the poor turned on them. Just look at how the french or any other revolution went for them.
@@anitaremenarova6662the French revolution was about the new middle class leading the urban poor to take out the old nobility. And no historically the 'rich' were warrior astocrats that could over power their serfs
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Once again wrong. They ruled with the illusion of power, in reality if any revolution happened they got their asses handed to them and had to resort to underhanded tactics to return to status quo.
@@anitaremenarova6662 The French Revolution? Look up 13 Vandemaire. The revolutionists were slaughtered at the drop of a hat by the noble aristocracy and the enlisted men under their service. The Revolutionists only had a hope of making any change once the military nobles sided with them in order to usurp power; from which Napoleon would rise to the heights. Never forget, Robespierre was of noble blood. The weak have never been able to impact anything of their own accord throughout history.
@@picklerick8971”convincing ideas” yea like the convincing idea that I’m twice your size and if you don’t go along with my will, you won’t be here to draw breath.
@kirovslaya4108 that would work one on one maybe, but in a society level if the mass understands which at some point they will, that they actually have all the power they can still overpower the bigger guy. Which is why bringing them to your cause with less violence might prove more effectiveness
@@picklerick8971 Violence is the universal language of all men, whether we like it or not. What makes a man good isn't his lack of violence but understanding what it means to use it. Firm but fair. Extremely dangerous yet angelically kind.
One of first classes I had in Law College was "State General Theory", basically beta Constitutional Law class, my teacher asked "Do you know why the State can maintain it's existence ?", after some answers, he explained "The State is capable of it because it holds the monopoly of the force, the society allow it to justifiably apply violence".
It IS necessary, to the point where it is a part of our nature. It IS human to be violent. Whether we like it or not, we are violent, and violence shapes us along with what we do when in violent situations.
But, the expression of this trait does not need to induce harm when we consider our modern context. To be human is to act against base conditions; if we give up that and simply say "because nature" we lose our value
@@ProfessorViral You're right, but these social constructs we've set up for ourselves aren't enough to dissuade or even force people to care about morality, and unfortunately the well beings of others. It's unfortunate that there isn't a guaranteed way to avoid others getting hurt, as I don't want people to get hurt. It is unfortunately human nature to be violent. That is why we should try to invest as much as possible to find a way that doesn't include force or some kind of manipulation into getting people to releasing as much pent up anger and hate, but there is no guarantee even in that that we'll find a foolproof way to stop people from hurting others.
@@AngrtardThere truly is no hope for humanity as it currently stands....and history has proven that we humans will make the same mistakes again and again and Again. The powerful and greedy refuse to let things fully change, and will drag back down and snuff out any major attempts at it. The best thing that could happen for humanity is for us all to be eradicated; at least the planet could heal itself in our absence.
Violence is necessary because it's zoologically impossible to exist without it. Moreover, as civil or legal methods for effecting meaningful change or defeating real human evil become more and more useless, violence becomes the only recourse. We are rapidly nearing that point, and are in a race with those who would remove our ability and the means to not only protect ourselves from violence but mount sufficient force against our foe to overcome them without catastrophic loss. Weight of numbers can move mountains, but the cost in unnecessary losses is limited with access to these means. Act before it's too late. Swarm evil under. (In Minecraft.)
@@telerubbbies it's not because we need enemies, the whole life revolves around competition for resource. good and evil is just simplified thing what people called "Us vs Them" so both side have something to fight or cause violence for.
@@fathurrachman9498 I think a child molester is evil. I think this because I want the person's car? No, because I have an innate and learned sense of Justice. Evil and Good exist, it is not just subjective, but it is very convient for evil people to convince us otherwise.
@reactiondavant-garde3391 you can also make the argument that many tyrants used these ideas and methods to take from innocent people. Take WW2 for example, people were given propaganda to believe there is a problem with Jewish people, derived as inspiration from the political narrative to make people hate immigrants.
Robert Heinlein has a good quote for this: "Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived." If you dont have power, if you dont have the capacity for violence, you can accomplish nothing. You’ll be treaded all over by the people who are willing to commit violence. And so if you want peace, if you want to be left alone, you have to demonstrate that you are not an easy target to attack. Reading Vinland Saga, I was getting frustrated by Thorfinn's uncompromising pacifism. I would think of moments where it would have been better if he did use more non lethal violence to let them know to take him more seriously. But watching the second season with my memories of the manga, I was pleasantly surprised to know that it wasn’t as black and white as I remembered. He uses violence as a last resort and doesn’t outright refuse to do so. He needs to use that supreme authority to ensure people will listen and hold a dialogue to reach an ultimately peaceful resolution to conflict.
I think the reason it might be frustrating is because he himself didn’t understand what his father told him. It wasn’t that a real man didn’t fight and thus he was virtuous. Like Jordan Peterson said a bunny isn’t virtuous. Being able to fight but choose peace is a virtue. And I’m paraphrasing btw… I don’t remember the exact quote. Thorfin thought violence was the way, then realized that killing innocent people wasn’t what made him manly… then tried to be peaceful but people pushed him around. Then he kinda realizes that he has to fight but more so… chose his fights. Be Strong but don’t chose violence for the sake of it.
I'm very glad to hear that! I always worry about how much I'm actually adding value, and how much I'm just passing along what already existed, so its encouraging to see that I am adding something to it!
There’s a quote I like by Carl Jung that I think really brings this home “no tree, it is said, can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell” basically, you can’t claim you’re free of violence if you’re not capable of or able to acknowledge it. It’s easier to avoid something if you understand it
Where the idea that debating with ideas is preferable over violence, from what I can gleam from a bigger picture perspective is it's always the largest group with the most guns who wind up calling the shots in the end.
The probable best case scenario is to have controlled violence. The Code Duello existed for a reason. Mind you, it didn't always have to end in death. The Gauchos had a culture that dueled for scars with long knives and killing was seen as the killer being weak and lacking self control. Germans had a similar ethos about sabers at one point. Without a socially accepted and controlled method of expressing that part of our nature, with rules and rituals, it will start to come out in unhealthy ways.
I always accepted violance as part of all things in life. It just at different levels. I believe understanding brings peace, but kindness should be discarded if it gets in the way of finding peace. Kindness in a way is not peace. Only those who know violence can understand each other and thus can achieve peace. Kindness just makes it easier to reach conversation.
Of course, thank you for the kind words! Two of these, Vinland Saga and Psycho-Pass, are 10/10s for me (two of only five), so I'd heavily recommend them to anyone
The main issues with weapon violence is 1 it starts with mental health issues and self control or a lack there of. Whether it's a gun, abomb a knife, a car, a bat, a poison, a big stick, a rock or someones bare hands. What matters is the mental health, intentions, and the self control of the individual. And 2 that there is literally no way to actually stop it. People are ALWAYS going to find a way to hurt and kill each other. That's why it's often even if well intentioned a reactionary and idiotic stance to try and ban things like knives or guns. The object isn't the issue, its the person in control of it.
PSYCHO-PASS has always reminded me of "Those Who Walk Away from Omelas" by Ursula LeGuin. The suffering of a few for the happiness of many, and those who walk away from the violence.
I only got through a couple episodes and I just couldn’t stomach it - it was like watching “1984” through the eyes of the state’s pigs and that I just couldn’t abide…
@@wilberwhateley7569 That's an incredibly interesting take! There's definitely some double-think necessary to navigate one's hue in PSYCHO-PASS and maintain a "passing" psyche. I only managed to navigate through all of the episodes by taking a page out of Mei's book and compartmentalizing. The 1984 comparison is interesting because yes there is very much a surveillance state over all, but the internet in PSYCHO-PASS seems relatively unregulated. Also, actual information available isn't changed or restricted so much as they expect you to be able to function no matter what you find and I think THAT is actually the most messed up part. There's mental health support, but from what we can see it's just as unhelpful as what seems to pass for therapy (at least in the US) these days. By that vein, one of the things that anime taught me was that there is no such thing as "the suffering of others for the good of the many" and that if one person is suffering an in a way that people can see (i.e.: acting out within society in some fashion), there are dozens more around them suffering in similar ways but way too quiet about it.
Only 11 minutes into the video I had to pause and just order my thoughts into writing. Your way of speaking is invigorating, Prof, and I really love it. I will copy-paste what I wrote here and then continue to watch the video. Society is essentially humans giving up (a significant) part of their freedom to gain safety. Humans then serve that society to uphold those ideals of safety and this rings true even if the society doesn't adequately provide said safety to all. Just think of the needless deaths of the poor and homeless people at the bottom, who through unfortunate circumstances have landed themselves there. With a more egalitarian spread of resources (and I count love under those resources as well), they wouldn't have to suffer or die, would be kept safe from those things. Yet the societal system (capitalism) is too big to be concerned with it. In serving a system, rather than serving our fellow humans, a part of our humanity is lost by following the rules. And no wonder a giant book of rules, a bureaucracy that strives to protect the existing order first and foremost, is too blind to the plight of humans to actually rule any manner of justice. We have made ourselves believe that dominance, an existing order, a society like the one we have built right now is necessary in order to sustain life. That we would all become violent, selfish animals were we to go back to living without it. But the cultures of natives all over the world, have taught us differently. Their languages, for the longest time, didn't even possess the words to describe things like dominance or rule, some languages didn't even have a different word for 'I' and 'we'. This way you can see how language shapes our thinking- and how we've now entrapped ourselves with it, in certain ways. Fear is our base instinct yes- but as shamanism has taught me: It is merely the seed of compassion, the love for yourself and the love for your loved ones expressed in it's negative form. Humans, in nature, are still pack animals. We overcome fear by banding together, by finding safety in the group- by knowing that we're cared for by the others when we need them, just as they care for us. We have attempted to build groups so big they encompass everyone (society), even the ones that we'd normally bully or cast out. But in reality it has brought us further away from our own nature and nature as a whole. Instead of spreading resources around and caring for each other, we just follow the system, ignoring the plight of our neighbors. We envision the system as just, accept it as normal- and thus pretend that the ones at the top deserve their riches, since they worked hard for it- that the ones at the bottom must have not been able to fit in enough- thus are flawed and deserve their fate as well. And the ones that don't believe so? They feel too entrapped within the system (needing to focus on their own survival) to do anything more than donate what they can miss to charities. This is how we've let fear rule us, how compassion gets lost. And yet- true human nature shines through in the way we still care for our friends and loved ones- despite how selfish and narcissistic we supposedly are. We understand that existence is transactional - but that it doesn't need some sort of big overruling system to dictate how and when these transactions happen. You don't have to be fearful of the end when you understand that everything is a cycle, that beginning and end are merely synonyms- the only constant being the change and transformation all around. You don't have to feel bad about consuming another living things in order to sustain your own existence when you understand that we're all made from the same life energy- and that what we consume will live on within us, endlessly- as much as we will live on within others too (in various ways). The indominable human spirit is one that can transform fear into compassion and resides within us all- and I will do everything I can to wake that sleeping spirit in everyone I meet. It is through healing that we'll change the world for the better, I truly believe that.
"Look yonder, at your butcher gods. Ten thousand men and women lie dead at their feet. Bask in their efficacy! Are they not spectacular at turning men into ghosts? Behold! The awesome fires of God. The limitless power of pure creation itself. Look carefully! Observe how it is used for the same purpose a man might use an especially sharp rock." - Meti-ten-Ryo, Kill Six Billion Demons
This video reminded me of two things The first is Arcane. The "villain" Silco fights a revolution for the independence of the lower class, and understands that his methods are unsavory yet necessary to make his people's voice heard, and has a monologue about "the base violence necessary for change." Theres a lot of nuance to it, but the line has stuck with me since i first heard it. Theres another quote in that show about "once a weapon is made, it cannot be unmade and will always be used" which i feel matches this videos themes. The second is the video of Oppenheimer talking about the first nuclear bomb test; the infamous "i am become Death, destroyer of worlds" video. Reading the quote almost makes him sound proud, but watching the video of him saying it is much different. The video shows a very haunted man who was very much in a "if its not me, itll be someone else" situation. The look on his face as he talks about it says he is fully aware of the widespread and long-term effects of his creation.
I've had several discussion with friends about this, both exclaiming the need for violence in specific situations, and how, in for example martial arts/boxing, violence without anger can be incredibly fun and cathartic. I have often been very dissapointed by having the line "violence is never the answer" given back, and how they cant seem to seperate orderly violence within boundaries, from straight up moronic street fights. In truth I mostly see the "no violence" argument coming from the men I know that seem to be afraid of it in its enterity, and unfortunatly seem to confuse cowardice with ethical behaviour. Especially as men we have an inate desire for violence at times, and the task lies in mastering that side of yourself, so that you can exert control over these urges, and know when it is required. As such I honestly find it hard to trust the guys that never have had a physical confrontation, as they seem to lack trust and confidence in themselves as well. And from experience, the two most dangerous types of men are those that will resort to violence without a second thought, and those that are so deathly afraid of it, than any confrontation makes them instantly go to "kill or be killed" survival/anxiety mode. Both of these kind of men shows a weakness of character in my eyes, and more often than not, seem to struggle with how to express their masculinity in a healthy way.
Violence is not the answer, it is a question. It is always there. Rejection of violence is just as foolish as only ever answering yes. That is why vinland saga fails in its message to me. it abandoned a complex message for a simple one, "no violence, never commit violence, it is not necessary." foolish words from someone who has never experienced mindless aggression against them.
I appreciate what the 2nd season is saying in an idealistic way, and in a perfect world it would be exactly correct. But, it does certainly discard some reality in how Thorfinn discards violence and endures so much, although that endurance does stress that it is the more difficult path for a better future, which I do appreciate about it. But overall it has the Trigun issue
Thorfinn isn't completely rejecting violence he's even aware that it should be used as a last resort in the later arcs of Vinland, the Slave Arc was mainly a way to showcase the baby steps of Thorfinn's ideology (which is why it is imperfect) Even then, Vinland isn't saying Thorfinn's ideals are correct, in fact they're challenging his ideals and showing that it's a flawed one still
Thorfinn also experienced mindless violence aswell. But decided simply that yes you should be capable of violence, but the only times you should ever hurt or kill is when given no other option.
@@ProfessorViralhaven’t reached that portion yet, and am unsure of if you are a manga reader as I’m new here, but arc 4 definitely brings that shift back to reality. Arc 2 and 3 are idealist, while arcs 1 and 4 are very painfully realist. (At least as of now, since arc 4 has about 15 chaps left, and I’d be thoroughly disappointed if for some reason Yukimura decides to randomly switch back from realism to idealism.) (More in depth spoilers if you have read the manga) By now in the series Thorfinn is being questioned by everyone with exception to his wife and the women of the village, while every single man except a handful has totally rejected him. Even Einar. His idealistic dream is failing. And while it isn’t the fault of himself per se, he simply doesn’t grasp human nature properly. Which makes sense given how fucked he was in his prime developmental years. Einar essentially tells Thorfinn he cares more about his oath to relieve himself of guilt than to actually protect others. And while Thorfinn DOES fight many times. He doesn’t kill. And while that’s admirable, when he takes on creating a nation, you simply can’t avoid any death at all. What is admirable about him is his desire to withdraw once he realizes that he is, in fact, an invader to the native people. And in a weird way almost becomes a realist by understanding they cannot take on a whole continent of people. But for Einar, who finally has found a home, has weird shifted to being an idealist. By believing they stand a chance somehow and need a fight. But obviously, a group of 60 people and likely only 30 or so warriors, they obviously cannot win a war against a tribe of several thousand men.
Violence isn't evil in and of itself, it is simply one facet of our being; in the same way, Love isn't in itself good, it just is. Violence can absolutely be used to oppress, but it can also be used to protect and liberate. Religious texts, martial arts schools, military training, (and many other sources, I'm sure) stress not a complete rejection of violence, but of integrating violence through discipline and self control. Without the ability to enact violence, you cannot protect yourself or those you love. There's a character from Beastars that really helped me conceptualize this: He's the grandfather of the main character, a sweet old man whose a pacifist (
In hindsight I can't understand how the society in Psycho Pass can become so advanced technologically and then ultimately fail to understand the human condition on such a fundamental level. But if I'm fair even in this ear of 2023 that I'm watching this knowledge of how nuanced the effect of stress in it's many forms has on any individual is only now becoming knowledge that is readily available to the mass. Gabor Matès "The Body Keeps the Score" is a good example of this subject.
The biggest problem in modern society is that people have become inherently uncomfortable with and afraid of violence. Maintaining a healthy, orderly society requires that GOOD PEOPLE exercise violence against the bad. A 'pacifist' as is often depicted in media isn't a peaceful man, he's a useless man, he's closer to the bad than the good. This is the reason I can't understand people simpering on Vinland Saga. A man who has no enemies makes friends with evil. It's not deep and it's not a morality you should live by.
Whats ironic is i was listening to this while sharpening my knife a shitty “self defense” combat blade and thinking on all those ideas and thoughts on the necessity of violence helped me focus so thanks professorviral i put a hair shaving edge on a walmart quality blade thanks to your great speech skills
I think we can often enjoy what it represents. Maybe its not the violence we crave, but the change of fighting against oppression, the feeling of saving another, or aspects like that
@@ProfessorViral nah mate, it's the violence. there is just something in us that makes us love pure, raw, carnal destruction. the purest form of this is giving a kid a stick and letting them lose on something.
@@ProfessorViral Ah but that raises the question of whether that is just an excuse to engage in violence? Just because you feel good about bashing someone's skull in doesn't make it right. My view is violence is justified in defending your life or in ritualized violence such as duels or boxing rings and sparing. The proper view of violence was best stated in Bleach. "The Third Company's flower is a kinsenka the marigold. It symbolizes despair. Its also the symbol of our confidence and pride. Fighting isn't heroic. Its not meant to be exhilarating. Violence should only bring despair. Its dark, and terrifying. It must remain gruesome. Otherwise people won't fear it...and try to avoid it." ~Izuru Kira to the Aguila after bringing him down.
Anyone who says anime isn’t for adults should watch Psycho Pass. I don’t think I have seen a more philosophical anime. I know there are more philosophical animes out there but Psycho Pass does it best. Ergo Proxy is very philosophical but it can feel like a slog at times. I never felt that way watching Psycho Pass. Also Makashima’s speech to Akane regarding free will, in the sewer, is awesome.
Probably one of the worst possible examples to prove your point. It is a fairly unimaginative rehash of many distopic settings that came before it, most prominently Brave New World, coached in unnecesseary grindhouse ultraviolence. If you want the same topic be tackled in anime in a more presentable manner, you'd have to look ate Monster, or the second season of GitS SAC, or the Patlabor movie. But if you really want to validate the artistic integrity of the medium, you are probably best off with the movies by Satoshi Kon.
@@Sara3346 omg I totally forgot about that one. But yeah, that’s a great one too. Definitely more relatable. I think everyone has felt cornered at times and wished for something to take them out of that situation. Even if it’s a boy with a bat. Satoshi Kon was awesome though. Really sucks he wasn’t able to make more.
So far it really feels like the real argument isn’t “is violence necessary” because it would seem so. The real question is “how do you change an unjust system where violence is used on the undeserving?” And it seems to require that you be able to speak truth to power. Power is not always willing to listen to truth.
14.57 - "Violence is like a disease. Without immunity, without preparing against the worst, it spreads like wildfire." It's super-niche, but that happened with the elves of Warhammer Fantasy. They were born into a utopian world without conflict, and when conflict finally arrived they were almost helpless to defend themselves. They had never known war, so when it arrived they were *far* from ready for it.
This is a fantastic analysis, thanks!! Psycho Pass is an important sci-fi dystopian story to watch or read. It raises many important questions about how society should look.
I’ve always seen violence as something necessary to protect but also that there are times where you must use mercy that violence and mercy are to sides of the same coin and that coin is humanity
This is an amasing video, again I'd like to add two ideas to the discussion though 1: Kaspar's coment that if there's no iron he will sell clubs is a good point on one hand, but he seems to forget that if people need to use clubs that in of itself is a stopper. Of course there are some special cases, but usually if people have to face the violence like that, up close and personal, a lot less will choose it. A button to press or even a trigger to pull puts distance between you and your victim. During the cold war someone (I forgot his name) suggested to put the key to nuclear warfare inside a person and let the president carve it out with a knife if he decided to launch another bomb, so he would have to face at least a little of the horror he would spread. So yes, there will always be violence and always a market for it's tools, but the more primitive the tools get, the less likely people are to choose them. 2: Is anyone else such a big fan of the concept that they made Koko kompletely snow white? She looks innocent, even angelic and then turns to be this nearly lucifer like being, claiming to be greater than god. (Sorry that one's pointless, I'm just a fan)
For sure, making people be up close and personal, at least when they've grown up knowing the distance, will reduce their will to enact violence. the terrifying part though is that there will always be someone ready to make that distance for profit, as he is. As for Koko, I absolutely love her character all around. Jormungand isn't my favorite anime, but for the longest time my lengthiest video was entirely dedicated to her haha. I do like that her design, from colors to clothing choice, is always so "pure," even after she grows accustomed to up close violence. It's like what seems to be an expression of stuck-up detachment becomes representative of her desires instead
“We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” -Churchill Fun fact: this quote was actually inspired by Richard Grenier, who said “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” Either way. Ifbyour not capable of harm, not imposing harm is not a virtue. Thus you can't *truly* be virtuous in that manner without the capacity for violence. There is a lot to be learned with the capacity to do great harm but the will and wisdom to of when and how to do it. Try carrying concealed with a full understanding of the potential repucussions of your actions. It's actually a heavy weight to bear.
*Standing here* *I realize* *You are just like me* *Trying to make history* *But who’s to judge* *The right from wrong* *When our guard is down* *I think we’ll both agree* *That Violence, breeds violence* *But in the end it has to be this way!* *I’ve carved my own path* *You followed your wrath* *But maybe we’re both the same* *The world has turned* *And so many have burned* *But nobody is to blame!* *Yet staring across this barren wasted land* *I feel new life will be born* *Beneath the blood stained sand* *Beneath the blood stained sand!*
Struggle is the father of all innovation, those who see violence as inherently evil are anti-human. They deny our nature and the rewards we find in the struggle. A world without violence is a world ruled by absolute tyrants.
Clicked on this to disagree... and after the first 1:30 minutes you somehow compiled a thought of mine I couldn't quite put to paper while struggling to write short stories devoid of any concept of violent conflict. So yeah ... Great video! Smooth editing! Also funny of you to say its difficult to pull off multiple episodes of just people talking while your youtube channel is more or less just a series of hour long monologues :P
1 person with a gun can control 100 without one.....i myself am not going to hope for the mercy of the guy holding it. id rather be able to give mercy than hope it will be given to me.
@@shaunakmitra963 sure but a majority of people nowadays are too cowardly and unwilling to risk their lives to all rush the person holding that gun in the hypothetical scenario. The name for this concept is called the "bystander effect." To put it simply, it's "someone else will do it/take care of it." For an example, it's like seeing someone getting stabbed to death and thinking/saying "someone do something" but not doing something yourself.
I think it's important to remember that the Pandora's Box you talk about, predates humans, and perhaps could be described as as old as life itself. Violence is the natural result of unrestrained competition- or rather, competition in its natural state of being, without arbitrary rules and morality. Perhaps it could be said that Pandora's Box opened first when the first single-celled organism predated another; or maybe it was when the first parasitic or predatory forms of life came to emerge, but I'd argue it's inherent to life itself. It's no coincidence that our species- humanity- has risen to be the dominant species on the planet, the alpha predator; it's the result of the evolution of violence (and survival, which necessitated either violence and/or the means to propagate despite violence, long before humans) reaching its most successful peak as we know it- our species.
Isaac Arthur said it a while ago, and it exemplifies it well. Remember, that when you step outside you are walking on the detritus of a four billion year deep corpse pile, threading over the remains of untold trillions. Humans have clawed their way to the top of this mound of carnage, if anything it is more suprising that we dont wholeheartedly embrace it.
My favorite thing is whenever in Yakuza series the protagonist Kiryu teaches people to resolve problems through discussion and being civil by breaking someone's spine in 10 places. I feel like through the entire series there is an underlying theme of violence being a necessity because there will be people who cannot be reasoned with and not confronting them doesn't teach them a lesson. It enables them to continue with their evil. Vinland Saga S2 continued the theme of characters possibly dying at any moment while introducing some Naruto-tier plot armor at the same time taking away from the point it tried to make.
Yeah, season two really struggled compared to one for me. It felt more needlessly dramatic, with worse pacing due to some overall weak characters. I think it still has some good ideas, but it skipped a lot of what I thought would be interesting and focused on what wasn't at times
Understanding what you said in the Vinland Saga section: Humans make things far more complex than they have to be. In everything. There are many times I wonder why we exist.... Many times. Currently, I'm like Thorfin: in a state of existing until I can finally stop, but not living. Been in that state for over a year, now. People tell me they are glad I am still making it... But I don't know what the point is. I knew what content this latest season of Vinland Saga had, and because I am in a similar mental state, to Thorfin, I have not watched it, yet.
I don't think it's that we make things more complex than they need to be. I think it's that that's how complex things are, and violence ignores that for an easier path. Without complexity, there is no individuality, no personality, no beauty to human beings. Of course there must be balance, but finding a way through complexity is how we often find value. I'm not sure what to say on how to begin that process, but if people are happy you're around, there's a reason for it. You add complexity to their lives in a good way, and that itself is an aspect of value
I did'nt know that the same person that came up with Madoka Magica came up with Psych- Pass. By the way I have almost completed watching 100 anime series.
"Violence is the supreme authority, from which all other authority is derived." "To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." People believe these two statements are in conflict. What they fail to realize is that violence is not the first form of authority, but rather, what the first authority relies on for it's credibility.
I'm unsure on how I feel about the idea of perceptions interplay with balance, that we must know evil to appreciate good and so on. But it is undeniable that it at least colors our perspective, in that knowing violence can lead us to be better capable of handling and avoiding it for the better
To know something exist in physics, in theology, in any type of conjecture, you have to interact with it, to prove it exist. The same way you only know the limits of a material is to stress test it to breaking. How we perceive the world only exist in the limits we accept in our observations of things breaking or seeing them break, how else would you know to stop? Death for better or worse and in combination extreme violence give life a consequence. You brought this up in your section on jormungand when discussing how war profiteers extort the world to keep their racket alive. @@ProfessorViral
Yin and Yang. Balance is everything. Without balance you get extremism and uncontrolled violence. With balance, there may be violence, but, it will be under control.
First of your videos I've ever seen. Really enjoyed it and I really enjoyed how you linked the animes and explained your position. I always think about the opening line of the Sith Code - Peace is a lie. I believe this. We can't have peace without violence which means we cannot have peace
very well done I like your final take, and I think you covered many of the less obvious perspectives. Which is quite impressive considering the abundance of fairly simplistic takes usually found on youtube.
This idea reminds me of Demolition Man and the year of 2032, where everything had become so sterilized and safe that the entire police force was unable to handle a single "old-fashioned criminal". The flagship line of their efforts to subdue him (and getting absolutely wrecked for trying) is "We're police officers. We're not trained to handle this kind of violence!"
i would argue a large amount of weapons prevents violence to a large degree. Most gun deaths in the US are from suicides and a vast major is from gang violence. Hardly any is from school shootings or this mall shooting up the road from me. There’s roughly 3 million self defense uses each year that results in no deaths. Cops and teachers at schools with guns will prevent schools being targeted. Violence takes the path of least resistance. So the actor will go to the place that’s easiest to commit their violence. Which with concealed carry where it’s a fact these people on avery have way more training that. cops themselves. The violence can e neutralized with self defense. Self defense can not be violence. It’s a protective measure not with the intention to kill but put in that position to protect yourself and others. One is violence one is heroic.
Easy and common access to violence does not prevent violence, as exemplified by the very statistics you presented, though I would argue societies in which ready access to weapons to the public are already violent, which in turn leads to the wide spread of tools of violence, rather than the other way around. Getting rid of widespread ownership of arms amongst a civilian populace was a measure of governmental control against rebellion, yes, but it was also a luxury afforded by extremely good public security in the first place. This security often a result of large, empowered and brutal special police forces, but security nontheless.
Awesome video! I think people tend to forget that even the most peaceful of societies, are enforced by equally violent means. When your actions have no consequences upon yourself, youre free to do whatever you please, no matter how egregious. The violent minority will have far heavier impact than the peaceful majority
"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."
I don't like violence, but i understand that it is necessary for change. The oversimplification I've seen particularly from vinland saga fans is troubling. Without violence, complacency is absolute, and no change can be made. To see a better world, people have had to die, for all of history, that doesn't just stop when you start saying "I have no enemies." I don't like that, but as someone who plans to change the world, I understand that to make change, some level of conflict is necessary, and the outcome is what determines whether the lives lost were worth it in order to save and protect the future generations.
“It makes no difference what men think of war. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.”
I just thought of something everyone has their own personal laws they live their life by because people can only do one thing at one time people have to make choices on how they spend their time because to do one thing it's the temporarily give up doing anything else. And to achieve major goals you necessarily need to give up a lot of things to achieve them so people give themselves rules be able to achieve goals easier.
yes that is how it is. People live their own paths in which they sacrifice different things to reach what they deem to be more important. Rules are set subconsciously or consciously to make sure you reach that goal/ideal. A good man must sacrifice the hypothetical winnings of he as a bad man so he can reach his ideal of good, that is a rule 'to be good'.
I think this follows an interesting way to flip how we think about life; we often consider ourselves the collection of what we have done, but we can also consider ourselves everything we have not done. In this way, we see that limitation is what defines a life, and it stresses the importance of exactly what you said; everything comes with the sacrifice of other things. As someone doing this and working full time, I can attest heavily to that
After watching this entire video n having my mind stretched on the topic, I'll leave this verse as a hope for those who wonder if there'll ever be true peace Revelation 21:4-5 KJV [4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
I find beastars the best when it comes to pacifism "pacifism only holds meaning when the upstrong hold it" and it as dont automatically use violence but do use it if others refuse to resolve there problems pacifism/peacefully
What struck as entirely absurd in the most chilling way: At 02:38 he says "One disgruntled man in a mall who hasn't even bothered anyone yet, is a cause for dispatching two officers" - I realised how often that happens in the actual world. Its only now that he mentioned it this way (i'd previously watched psycho-pass), the exact thing happened to me, in a mall...and I wasn't even disgruntled...just black.
There is a distinction in numbers, as those two officers are something like 1/9 of their entire force, where as in America where we overspend to make police like their own tiny militaries it's much less of their overall force sent out. However, the principle is the same in that an in group, Sibyl, is expending energy to oppress a group which they feel threatens their power, the "latent criminals." I was focused mostly on showcasing the absurdity of the percentage there, however it is very true that such a thing unfortunately tracks to real world experinces
There is no justifiable violence, violence in a sense of an strict act against law. Meaning all and every crime, and harm is injust. Something such as a "accidental murder while defending yourself or someone else from an aggressor" is no violence in my opinion, for it is just in the eyes of law
The question of Violence I feel is best summed up for me in three tenets. 1) (If possible) Live and let live. 2) Meet Violence proportionally with an equal or exceeding amount necessary to nullify any threat. 3) When fighting monsters, be careful to not become one, for if you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss will stare back into you.
@ProfessorViral I think you should read C.S Lewis essay on the necessity of Chivalry, all throughout the video i thought that was the best answer to the question at the end.
Maquiavel art of war. 04 choices a soldier must learn in a battlefild. Rumelt 04 types of competitive advantage. Life is made of 04 choices. Atcg dna for a reason. In law, 04 types of rights, as the 04 types of situations in the trolley dilemma. Great analisys. Godspeed.
Too add to the comment of use from the Jormungand section, there's a good chance that the same company that made your washing machine and dryer also made the system's vital to the guns on the A-10 Warthog, one of the most famous warmachines in the US arsenal.
Violence is pain, and pain begets growth, what grows from your pain is a reflection of you and you alone. Knowing your violence is knowing what you will grow. Blood can fertalize soil, but water is what things need to really grow. There is a time, and a place, for all things. Balance is key. Just because you can, doesnt mean you should. Its okay to know how, but its better to know when to.
Power is everything. While power has many forms there are three primary, the capacity for direct physical violence, to redirect violence and to mitogate violence. All life is violence. You do not peacefully eat food, you violently crush it to goo before swallowing where it is violently dissolved by your stomach, even breathing requires force and or violence.
“Colonialism is not a thinking machine, nor a body endowed with reasoning faculties. It is violence in its natural state, and it will only yield when confronted with greater violence.” -Franz Fanon concerning violence, within the book wretched of the Earth. A necessary book on colonial settler states.
I'd be very interested to see you dig deeper post S1 Psycho Pass - I know it's a huge stretch for so many people who love S1, but I think it's a bit of a shame that there's this cloud that is Gen Urobuchi that people just can't seem to get over and prevents them from facing the work (imperfect and sometimes unnecessarily complicated as it is) without continuously referring to S1 or looking for "the way Urobuchi did this and that". Post S1, the series and characters continue to evolve (not necessarily in the way people expect or are looking for), in the context of this "violence" that was the topic of your video plus more, and specially because these themes come full circle in the latest iteration, Providence. You've seen it all (I assume you saw Providence), and I'm sure you know, the philosophical themes are less on the nose, and admittedly the convoluted plot probably makes it a bit harder to digest plus the show no longer holds the audience's hand and instead gives them the tools to dig deeper into it. What I've discovered is that this series rewards interest and commitment to understand the story being told, granted there is a LOT of Japanese cultural/historical/political context in there that won't necessarily be immediately relatable to foreign audiences unwilling to look at it in that lens. The fact that there's so many aspects of the plot that were ahead of it's time (ex. PP3's depiction of AI in 2019, before CGPT exploded - when you think about how anime production happens in spans of years before release this was quite amazing) and remains to be relevant in current times, I wish more people would open their eyes to what Psycho Pass is truly about. Psycho Pass is a plot-driven series that has strong characters, not the other way around. This is up to you of course, your channel your decisions - but this is a roundabout way to (request) and challenge you because your vids are great even if I don't agree with everything you say ☺ edit: and wondering if you've developed (for the best) in terms of the way you see characters like Mika but that's another thing.
I wrote a paper in college about the necessity of violence after reading things fall apart and heart of darkness. It was pretty good and I made some similar points to you, but i just couldn't put together anywhere near this comprehensively.... so damnit, if only I had watched psycho-pass by then! Maybe I could've written the perfect paper 😔
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"Justice without force is powerless, Force without Justice is Tyranny." -Corvus Corax Primarch of the 19th Legion
Edit: I Return to this comment a year later to see ppl debating morality in animals….
Or as they put it in Magical Girl Spec Ops: "Justice without power is impotence. Power without justice is violence"
There was also something about the path of the magical girl being paved with Karate and someone getting kicked through a wall, but you know....
Hey that's actually a direct quote from Blaise Pascal, a 17th century french philosopher
Also Pascal is referenced in pshycho pass at some point ^^
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And never mistake kindness/generosity as weakness. The wrath of a peaceful king is not to be taken lightly.
Force without justice is the basic fundamental law of the reality tho. Is it justice when a Lion snaps the neck of a weak gazelle between his mighty jaws?
As Silco said in Arcane "the base violence necessary for change"
I dont agree with silcos extremism, But yes politic are th extention of poitics and ideas,nd canb hndd responsibly,or not. I get silco chilled down ok.
I like your Nana profile pic!
For sure. I had some plans for Arcane in this one, but kept it out for a different idea, which I somehow forgot. I'll have to check my notes and see. I think it was along the lines of discussing how the tension created by people like him and its benefits in certain situations
Tragic but true.
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I prefer what Armstrong said in MGR. He could have gone pro in football, you know. If it wasn't for the bureaucratic system making the weak parasitizing off of the people who try to work just to live. While building up their hypocritical war machine to uphold their sick and twisted agendas until society breaks into civil war or decays into submissive servitude. Just to repeat it all over again.
"Violence is the supteme authority from which all other authority is derived."
"If you do not possess the capacity for violence, you are not peaceful you are harmless"
"Do not believe quotes indiscriminately" - Sun Tzu
You realize you're quoting fascists and a quack, yes?
The humans in starship troopers, are bad guys... At least according to the director of the movie.
@@victorminor1283pretty sure neither humans nor the arachnids are the “bad guy”.
@@Chiefteeth1 the directors of the movie literally said that the movie is having a laugh at fascism. That's why Neil Patrick Harris is wearing an all black SS uniform. Sure in the grand scheme of things there's no "hero" or heros but we're certainly not meant to side with the guys in Nazi uniforms
Being comfortable around violence and understanding the gravity behind it. You learn to humble yourself around it and try you best to prevent it. But you will also know how to properly react when you experience it.
Indeed. There is a saying, "Violence is the first option and last choice of professionals" When you truly understand the gravity of violence, not just to the opponent, but, to their family and to yourself you see it as something to avoid if possible. It should be used only used in the gravest extreme. Violence is not a game.
I think the best quote I've seen on the subject was from Bleach. "The Third Company's flower is a kinsenka the marigold. It symbolizes despair. Its also the symbol of our confidence and pride. Fighting isn't heroic. Its not meant to be exhilarating. Violence should only bring despair. Its dark, and terrifying. It must remain gruesome. Otherwise people won't fear it...and try to avoid it."
~Izuru Kira, Bleach
@@Wastelandman7000once you've seen a brain injury as the result of a completely avoidable fight it will forever change your outlook on fighting and violence as a whole
@@juiceboxbzrkTripping is all it takes, an unlucky jab to the head can be the end, and that is if the opponent is fighting barehanded, because you never know who's carrying a weapon with them, or may be able to pick one from the environment.
The key rule I learned when I learned boxing was that in order to win any confrontation was to not engage with one, to run away, use everything I have at my disposal to put as much distance between me and my opponent, and if it is not possible to avoid fighting, then you win by any means necessary.
That's great to know. Thank you !
Violence is like a fire, you'll hate it when it burns your house down but you'll cry for it in the dead of winter
Who cries for violence in the dead of winter?
The most useful tool and most destructive force, it all depends who's hand its in.
@BattleAngelFan99 a starving man finding a wounded animal.
When survival kicks in@@BattleAngelFan99
It's a metaphor...it means you'll be crying for violence when it is needed. @BattleAngelFan99
“You got to be a fighter if you want to be a lover. Otherwise what kind of love to you have if you aren’t willing to fight for it” -Keanu
I think the best quote I've seen on the subject was from Bleach. "The Third Company's flower is a kinsenka the marigold. It symbolizes despair. Its also the symbol of our confidence and pride. Fighting isn't heroic. Its not meant to be exhilarating. Violence should only bring despair. Its dark, and terrifying. It must remain gruesome. Otherwise people won't fear it...and try to avoid it."
~Izuru Kira, Bleach
Violence isn't a game. It is necessary, but, its also necessary for everyone to treat it with the gravity it deserves.
That's a pretty friggin awesome philosophy.
Where words fail violence prevails. If you believe in something you'll be more then happy to fight for it
True. And brings to mind a quote from Clausewitz, "War is diplomacy by any other means"
If I may pull from another classic, Samurai Champloo, "One should not carry a sword if one is not able and willing to use it."
This constitutes two separate disciplines when it comes to how one should approach violence: The capacity to bestow violence upon one's enemy and the wisdom of when to and when not to. One is a discipline of the body. The other is a discipline of the mind. You need both to develop a warrior mentality.
True. I like this quote from Bleach about how serious violence is as well, ""The Third Company's flower is a kinsenka the marigold. It symbolizes despair. Its also the symbol of our confidence and pride. Fighting isn't heroic. Its not meant to be exhilarating. Violence should only bring despair. Its dark, and terrifying. It must remain gruesome. Otherwise people won't fear it...and try to avoid it."
~Izuru Kira, Bleach
I borrow from Code Geass "Only those who can bear the implications of bearing arms should wage wars"
i fundamentally disagree, sometimes just by merely carrying a sword you can perhaps convince your foes not to commit to violence, it's a bluff that doesn't always work but it's a bluff that can work, I'm not saying everyone should always carry a weapon but even without the will or the capacity to fight sometimes just by being armed you can motivate your opponents to think twice about pursuing violence and with that second thought they can choose to resolve things peacefully. weapons are large factors when it comes to fighting, champloo is disregarding that factor to teach people about discipline, granted discipline is important but it's not the only factor and if you don't consider all the factors than the most optimal decision is unlikely to be apparent.
@@rexr0b0twars80 Having a weapon without the skill to use it will land you in deeper shit than usual too. It has a flipside you can't deny.
@@Karan-Aujla that is a fair point but in dire circumstances it's still the best option, beyond that even if you lack the capacity to use it properly you can still be dangerous, albeit to yourself and your foes but still dangerous nonetheless, if you have the time to do so yes it's wise to learn to be effective with your weapon and everyone should strengthen their mind but if you lack the time to improve in any of these areas simply having a weapon can be an advantage that could save your life, you are right in that ineptitude can land you in deep shit but when it comes to combat being unarmed can land you in way deeper shit. that is a valid point though.
I feel like a large part of what makes phycopass so potent is that historically classes where always sent to deal with eachother. The poor will be sent to fight the poor.
Depends a lot on the period. Many times it was professionalized and the rich would crush the poor and crush each other with the poor just being part of the infrastructure
@@badart3204 What? No, the rich maybe led the poor but there was never enough of them to actually fight back in case the poor turned on them. Just look at how the french or any other revolution went for them.
@@anitaremenarova6662the French revolution was about the new middle class leading the urban poor to take out the old nobility.
And no historically the 'rich' were warrior astocrats that could over power their serfs
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Once again wrong. They ruled with the illusion of power, in reality if any revolution happened they got their asses handed to them and had to resort to underhanded tactics to return to status quo.
@@anitaremenarova6662 The French Revolution? Look up 13 Vandemaire. The revolutionists were slaughtered at the drop of a hat by the noble aristocracy and the enlisted men under their service. The Revolutionists only had a hope of making any change once the military nobles sided with them in order to usurp power; from which Napoleon would rise to the heights.
Never forget, Robespierre was of noble blood. The weak have never been able to impact anything of their own accord throughout history.
Violence is the ultimate authority from which all authority is derived. It be like that sometimes.
Yes but violence can only take you so far and convincing narratives and ideas will have a better long term use
Talking things far can only get you so far violence does not have this problem
@@picklerick8971”convincing ideas” yea like the convincing idea that I’m twice your size and if you don’t go along with my will, you won’t be here to draw breath.
@kirovslaya4108 that would work one on one maybe, but in a society level if the mass understands which at some point they will, that they actually have all the power they can still overpower the bigger guy. Which is why bringing them to your cause with less violence might prove more effectiveness
@@picklerick8971 Violence is the universal language of all men, whether we like it or not. What makes a man good isn't his lack of violence but understanding what it means to use it. Firm but fair. Extremely dangerous yet angelically kind.
One of first classes I had in Law College was "State General Theory", basically beta Constitutional Law class, my teacher asked "Do you know why the State can maintain it's existence ?", after some answers, he explained "The State is capable of it because it holds the monopoly of the force, the society allow it to justifiably apply violence".
It IS necessary, to the point where it is a part of our nature.
It IS human to be violent. Whether we like it or not, we are violent, and violence shapes us along with what we do when in violent situations.
But, the expression of this trait does not need to induce harm when we consider our modern context. To be human is to act against base conditions; if we give up that and simply say "because nature" we lose our value
@@ProfessorViral You're right, but these social constructs we've set up for ourselves aren't enough to dissuade or even force people to care about morality, and unfortunately the well beings of others.
It's unfortunate that there isn't a guaranteed way to avoid others getting hurt, as I don't want people to get hurt. It is unfortunately human nature to be violent.
That is why we should try to invest as much as possible to find a way that doesn't include force or some kind of manipulation into getting people to releasing as much pent up anger and hate, but there is no guarantee even in that that we'll find a foolproof way to stop people from hurting others.
correct.@@ProfessorViral
@@AngrtardThere truly is no hope for humanity as it currently stands....and history has proven that we humans will make the same mistakes again and again and Again. The powerful and greedy refuse to let things fully change, and will drag back down and snuff out any major attempts at it.
The best thing that could happen for humanity is for us all to be eradicated; at least the planet could heal itself in our absence.
The same is true when we give up and say "in spite of nature" @@ProfessorViral
Violence is necessary because it's zoologically impossible to exist without it.
Moreover, as civil or legal methods for effecting meaningful change or defeating real human evil become more and more useless, violence becomes the only recourse. We are rapidly nearing that point, and are in a race with those who would remove our ability and the means to not only protect ourselves from violence but mount sufficient force against our foe to overcome them without catastrophic loss. Weight of numbers can move mountains, but the cost in unnecessary losses is limited with access to these means.
Act before it's too late. Swarm evil under. (In Minecraft.)
Evil is a need as well we need enemies
@@telerubbbies it's not because we need enemies, the whole life revolves around competition for resource. good and evil is just simplified thing what people called "Us vs Them" so both side have something to fight or cause violence for.
@@fathurrachman9498 it is, we all want something to rally to and point fingers
@@fathurrachman9498 I think a child molester is evil. I think this because I want the person's car? No, because I have an innate and learned sense of Justice. Evil and Good exist, it is not just subjective, but it is very convient for evil people to convince us otherwise.
@reactiondavant-garde3391 you can also make the argument that many tyrants used these ideas and methods to take from innocent people. Take WW2 for example, people were given propaganda to believe there is a problem with Jewish people, derived as inspiration from the political narrative to make people hate immigrants.
If you're not allowed or able or willing to commit some degree of violence, you cannot say you are treated as a human.
Totally agree with that.
Robert Heinlein has a good quote for this: "Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived."
If you dont have power, if you dont have the capacity for violence, you can accomplish nothing. You’ll be treaded all over by the people who are willing to commit violence. And so if you want peace, if you want to be left alone, you have to demonstrate that you are not an easy target to attack.
Reading Vinland Saga, I was getting frustrated by Thorfinn's uncompromising pacifism. I would think of moments where it would have been better if he did use more non lethal violence to let them know to take him more seriously. But watching the second season with my memories of the manga, I was pleasantly surprised to know that it wasn’t as black and white as I remembered. He uses violence as a last resort and doesn’t outright refuse to do so. He needs to use that supreme authority to ensure people will listen and hold a dialogue to reach an ultimately peaceful resolution to conflict.
only after beating it into the reader why such an approach was unreasonable.
I think the reason it might be frustrating is because he himself didn’t understand what his father told him.
It wasn’t that a real man didn’t fight and thus he was virtuous. Like Jordan Peterson said a bunny isn’t virtuous. Being able to fight but choose peace is a virtue. And I’m paraphrasing btw… I don’t remember the exact quote.
Thorfin thought violence was the way, then realized that killing innocent people wasn’t what made him manly… then tried to be peaceful but people pushed him around.
Then he kinda realizes that he has to fight but more so… chose his fights. Be Strong but don’t chose violence for the sake of it.
so i take it you like Batman lol
@@johnynoway9127 batman may not kill but he is fully capable of beating the shit out of people. besides, there are worse things than death out there.
Batman refuse kill out of principle not pragmatism
"Vikings" were farmers, merchants, adventurers, and explorers. Raids were used to boost Status and wealth. "Viking" was a job
Can confirm. They sold material they procured from raids, often even back to the same people they took it from.
"Vikings" were pirates. The farmwrs and craftsmen were called 'danes'.
Viking was a seasonal job, it's similar to pirates, and Danes are just Danish people.
@@jokkt6313 Yes. I mean the group of people, the society were called Danes. Viking was an occupation.
That is only one of the groups that had Vikings
Captivating video throughout; well done! Appreciate you making points by inferring and extrapolating rather than just summarizing a series' points.
I'm very glad to hear that! I always worry about how much I'm actually adding value, and how much I'm just passing along what already existed, so its encouraging to see that I am adding something to it!
There’s a quote I like by Carl Jung that I think really brings this home “no tree, it is said, can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell” basically, you can’t claim you’re free of violence if you’re not capable of or able to acknowledge it. It’s easier to avoid something if you understand it
Where the idea that debating with ideas is preferable over violence, from what I can gleam from a bigger picture perspective is it's always the largest group with the most guns who wind up calling the shots in the end.
The probable best case scenario is to have controlled violence. The Code Duello existed for a reason. Mind you, it didn't always have to end in death. The Gauchos had a culture that dueled for scars with long knives and killing was seen as the killer being weak and lacking self control. Germans had a similar ethos about sabers at one point. Without a socially accepted and controlled method of expressing that part of our nature, with rules and rituals, it will start to come out in unhealthy ways.
"When words cannot teach, the fist will do." -Shaolin Proverb
I always accepted violance as part of all things in life. It just at different levels. I believe understanding brings peace, but kindness should be discarded if it gets in the way of finding peace. Kindness in a way is not peace. Only those who know violence can understand each other and thus can achieve peace. Kindness just makes it easier to reach conversation.
"to kill for youself is murder, to kill for your government is heroic, to kill for entertainment is harmless"
-spec ops the line
"To kill for profit is innovation"- USA
“In the 21st century war is no longer a viscous cycle as all the world could end as quickly as the impulse for fight”
"Violence isn’t the only answer, but it is the final answer."
Always love your videos keep up the good work! I am trying to get into some of the anime you cover, so thank you!
Of course, thank you for the kind words! Two of these, Vinland Saga and Psycho-Pass, are 10/10s for me (two of only five), so I'd heavily recommend them to anyone
The main issues with weapon violence is 1 it starts with mental health issues and self control or a lack there of. Whether it's a gun, abomb a knife, a car, a bat, a poison, a big stick, a rock or someones bare hands. What matters is the mental health, intentions, and the self control of the individual. And 2 that there is literally no way to actually stop it. People are ALWAYS going to find a way to hurt and kill each other. That's why it's often even if well intentioned a reactionary and idiotic stance to try and ban things like knives or guns. The object isn't the issue, its the person in control of it.
PSYCHO-PASS has always reminded me of "Those Who Walk Away from Omelas" by Ursula LeGuin.
The suffering of a few for the happiness of many, and those who walk away from the violence.
That sounds familiar; bookmarked it for later!
@@ProfessorViral I'd love to know what you think when you read it!
I only got through a couple episodes and I just couldn’t stomach it - it was like watching “1984” through the eyes of the state’s pigs and that I just couldn’t abide…
@@wilberwhateley7569 That's an incredibly interesting take! There's definitely some double-think necessary to navigate one's hue in PSYCHO-PASS and maintain a "passing" psyche. I only managed to navigate through all of the episodes by taking a page out of Mei's book and compartmentalizing.
The 1984 comparison is interesting because yes there is very much a surveillance state over all, but the internet in PSYCHO-PASS seems relatively unregulated. Also, actual information available isn't changed or restricted so much as they expect you to be able to function no matter what you find and I think THAT is actually the most messed up part. There's mental health support, but from what we can see it's just as unhelpful as what seems to pass for therapy (at least in the US) these days.
By that vein, one of the things that anime taught me was that there is no such thing as "the suffering of others for the good of the many" and that if one person is suffering an in a way that people can see (i.e.: acting out within society in some fashion), there are dozens more around them suffering in similar ways but way too quiet about it.
@@wilberwhateley7569 Main character of 1984 kinda was state pig...
Only 11 minutes into the video I had to pause and just order my thoughts into writing. Your way of speaking is invigorating, Prof, and I really love it. I will copy-paste what I wrote here and then continue to watch the video.
Society is essentially humans giving up (a significant) part of their freedom to gain safety. Humans then serve that society to uphold those ideals of safety and this rings true even if the society doesn't adequately provide said safety to all. Just think of the needless deaths of the poor and homeless people at the bottom, who through unfortunate circumstances have landed themselves there. With a more egalitarian spread of resources (and I count love under those resources as well), they wouldn't have to suffer or die, would be kept safe from those things. Yet the societal system (capitalism) is too big to be concerned with it. In serving a system, rather than serving our fellow humans, a part of our humanity is lost by following the rules. And no wonder a giant book of rules, a bureaucracy that strives to protect the existing order first and foremost, is too blind to the plight of humans to actually rule any manner of justice.
We have made ourselves believe that dominance, an existing order, a society like the one we have built right now is necessary in order to sustain life. That we would all become violent, selfish animals were we to go back to living without it. But the cultures of natives all over the world, have taught us differently. Their languages, for the longest time, didn't even possess the words to describe things like dominance or rule, some languages didn't even have a different word for 'I' and 'we'. This way you can see how language shapes our thinking- and how we've now entrapped ourselves with it, in certain ways.
Fear is our base instinct yes- but as shamanism has taught me: It is merely the seed of compassion, the love for yourself and the love for your loved ones expressed in it's negative form. Humans, in nature, are still pack animals. We overcome fear by banding together, by finding safety in the group- by knowing that we're cared for by the others when we need them, just as they care for us. We have attempted to build groups so big they encompass everyone (society), even the ones that we'd normally bully or cast out.
But in reality it has brought us further away from our own nature and nature as a whole. Instead of spreading resources around and caring for each other, we just follow the system, ignoring the plight of our neighbors. We envision the system as just, accept it as normal- and thus pretend that the ones at the top deserve their riches, since they worked hard for it- that the ones at the bottom must have not been able to fit in enough- thus are flawed and deserve their fate as well. And the ones that don't believe so? They feel too entrapped within the system (needing to focus on their own survival) to do anything more than donate what they can miss to charities.
This is how we've let fear rule us, how compassion gets lost. And yet- true human nature shines through in the way we still care for our friends and loved ones- despite how selfish and narcissistic we supposedly are. We understand that existence is transactional - but that it doesn't need some sort of big overruling system to dictate how and when these transactions happen.
You don't have to be fearful of the end when you understand that everything is a cycle, that beginning and end are merely synonyms- the only constant being the change and transformation all around. You don't have to feel bad about consuming another living things in order to sustain your own existence when you understand that we're all made from the same life energy- and that what we consume will live on within us, endlessly- as much as we will live on within others too (in various ways). The indominable human spirit is one that can transform fear into compassion and resides within us all- and I will do everything I can to wake that sleeping spirit in everyone I meet. It is through healing that we'll change the world for the better, I truly believe that.
I didn’t ask lol
"Look yonder, at your butcher gods. Ten thousand men and women lie dead at their feet. Bask in their efficacy! Are they not spectacular at turning men into ghosts? Behold! The awesome fires of God. The limitless power of pure creation itself. Look carefully! Observe how it is used for the same purpose a man might use an especially sharp rock." - Meti-ten-Ryo, Kill Six Billion Demons
This video reminded me of two things
The first is Arcane. The "villain" Silco fights a revolution for the independence of the lower class, and understands that his methods are unsavory yet necessary to make his people's voice heard, and has a monologue about "the base violence necessary for change." Theres a lot of nuance to it, but the line has stuck with me since i first heard it.
Theres another quote in that show about "once a weapon is made, it cannot be unmade and will always be used" which i feel matches this videos themes.
The second is the video of Oppenheimer talking about the first nuclear bomb test; the infamous "i am become Death, destroyer of worlds" video. Reading the quote almost makes him sound proud, but watching the video of him saying it is much different. The video shows a very haunted man who was very much in a "if its not me, itll be someone else" situation. The look on his face as he talks about it says he is fully aware of the widespread and long-term effects of his creation.
I've had several discussion with friends about this, both exclaiming the need for violence in specific situations, and how, in for example martial arts/boxing, violence without anger can be incredibly fun and cathartic.
I have often been very dissapointed by having the line "violence is never the answer" given back, and how they cant seem to seperate orderly violence within boundaries, from straight up moronic street fights. In truth I mostly see the "no violence" argument coming from the men I know that seem to be afraid of it in its enterity, and unfortunatly seem to confuse cowardice with ethical behaviour.
Especially as men we have an inate desire for violence at times, and the task lies in mastering that side of yourself, so that you can exert control over these urges, and know when it is required. As such I honestly find it hard to trust the guys that never have had a physical confrontation, as they seem to lack trust and confidence in themselves as well.
And from experience, the two most dangerous types of men are those that will resort to violence without a second thought, and those that are so deathly afraid of it, than any confrontation makes them instantly go to "kill or be killed" survival/anxiety mode. Both of these kind of men shows a weakness of character in my eyes, and more often than not, seem to struggle with how to express their masculinity in a healthy way.
Violence is not the answer, it is a question. It is always there. Rejection of violence is just as foolish as only ever answering yes. That is why vinland saga fails in its message to me. it abandoned a complex message for a simple one, "no violence, never commit violence, it is not necessary." foolish words from someone who has never experienced mindless aggression against them.
I appreciate what the 2nd season is saying in an idealistic way, and in a perfect world it would be exactly correct. But, it does certainly discard some reality in how Thorfinn discards violence and endures so much, although that endurance does stress that it is the more difficult path for a better future, which I do appreciate about it. But overall it has the Trigun issue
Thorfinn isn't completely rejecting violence he's even aware that it should be used as a last resort in the later arcs of Vinland, the Slave Arc was mainly a way to showcase the baby steps of Thorfinn's ideology (which is why it is imperfect)
Even then, Vinland isn't saying Thorfinn's ideals are correct, in fact they're challenging his ideals and showing that it's a flawed one still
Thorfinn also experienced mindless violence aswell. But decided simply that yes you should be capable of violence, but the only times you should ever hurt or kill is when given no other option.
@@ProfessorViralhaven’t reached that portion yet, and am unsure of if you are a manga reader as I’m new here, but arc 4 definitely brings that shift back to reality. Arc 2 and 3 are idealist, while arcs 1 and 4 are very painfully realist. (At least as of now, since arc 4 has about 15 chaps left, and I’d be thoroughly disappointed if for some reason Yukimura decides to randomly switch back from realism to idealism.)
(More in depth spoilers if you have read the manga)
By now in the series Thorfinn is being questioned by everyone with exception to his wife and the women of the village, while every single man except a handful has totally rejected him. Even Einar. His idealistic dream is failing. And while it isn’t the fault of himself per se, he simply doesn’t grasp human nature properly. Which makes sense given how fucked he was in his prime developmental years.
Einar essentially tells Thorfinn he cares more about his oath to relieve himself of guilt than to actually protect others.
And while Thorfinn DOES fight many times. He doesn’t kill. And while that’s admirable, when he takes on creating a nation, you simply can’t avoid any death at all.
What is admirable about him is his desire to withdraw once he realizes that he is, in fact, an invader to the native people. And in a weird way almost becomes a realist by understanding they cannot take on a whole continent of people.
But for Einar, who finally has found a home, has weird shifted to being an idealist. By believing they stand a chance somehow and need a fight. But obviously, a group of 60 people and likely only 30 or so warriors, they obviously cannot win a war against a tribe of several thousand men.
@@ProfessorViraltrigun issue?
Violence isn't evil in and of itself, it is simply one facet of our being; in the same way, Love isn't in itself good, it just is.
Violence can absolutely be used to oppress, but it can also be used to protect and liberate. Religious texts, martial arts schools, military training, (and many other sources, I'm sure) stress not a complete rejection of violence, but of integrating violence through discipline and self control. Without the ability to enact violence, you cannot protect yourself or those you love.
There's a character from Beastars that really helped me conceptualize this:
He's the grandfather of the main character, a sweet old man whose a pacifist (
In hindsight I can't understand how the society in Psycho Pass can become so advanced technologically and then ultimately fail to understand the human condition on such a fundamental level. But if I'm fair even in this ear of 2023 that I'm watching this knowledge of how nuanced the effect of stress in it's many forms has on any individual is only now becoming knowledge that is readily available to the mass.
Gabor Matès "The Body Keeps the Score" is a good example of this subject.
The biggest problem in modern society is that people have become inherently uncomfortable with and afraid of violence. Maintaining a healthy, orderly society requires that GOOD PEOPLE exercise violence against the bad. A 'pacifist' as is often depicted in media isn't a peaceful man, he's a useless man, he's closer to the bad than the good.
This is the reason I can't understand people simpering on Vinland Saga. A man who has no enemies makes friends with evil. It's not deep and it's not a morality you should live by.
War was always here. Even before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner- Judge Holden
Whats ironic is i was listening to this while sharpening my knife a shitty “self defense” combat blade and thinking on all those ideas and thoughts on the necessity of violence helped me focus so thanks professorviral i put a hair shaving edge on a walmart quality blade thanks to your great speech skills
Bruh u sound like a serial killer 😂
gotta say, i love violence as fiction, ofc i wish it could stay as such
there's is something truly primal to liking violence, it's in all of us idk
I think we can often enjoy what it represents. Maybe its not the violence we crave, but the change of fighting against oppression, the feeling of saving another, or aspects like that
@@ProfessorViral the uses we can give it, that's an interesting point of view.... i need time to think
@@ProfessorViral nah mate, it's the violence. there is just something in us that makes us love pure, raw, carnal destruction. the purest form of this is giving a kid a stick and letting them lose on something.
It is. We are descendants of people who hunted mega-fauna with spears after all. Its baked into our genetics. The trick is controlling it.
@@ProfessorViral Ah but that raises the question of whether that is just an excuse to engage in violence? Just because you feel good about bashing someone's skull in doesn't make it right. My view is violence is justified in defending your life or in ritualized violence such as duels or boxing rings and sparing. The proper view of violence was best stated in Bleach.
"The Third Company's flower is a kinsenka the marigold. It symbolizes despair. Its also the symbol of our confidence and pride. Fighting isn't heroic. Its not meant to be exhilarating. Violence should only bring despair. Its dark, and terrifying. It must remain gruesome. Otherwise people won't fear it...and try to avoid it."
~Izuru Kira to the Aguila after bringing him down.
Anyone who says anime isn’t for adults should watch Psycho Pass. I don’t think I have seen a more philosophical anime. I know there are more philosophical animes out there but Psycho Pass does it best. Ergo Proxy is very philosophical but it can feel like a slog at times. I never felt that way watching Psycho Pass. Also Makashima’s speech to Akane regarding free will, in the sewer, is awesome.
Probably one of the worst possible examples to prove your point.
It is a fairly unimaginative rehash of many distopic settings that came before it, most prominently Brave New World, coached in unnecesseary grindhouse ultraviolence.
If you want the same topic be tackled in anime in a more presentable manner, you'd have to look ate Monster, or the second season of GitS SAC, or the Patlabor movie.
But if you really want to validate the artistic integrity of the medium, you are probably best off with the movies by Satoshi Kon.
Where do you fall on Paranoia Agent?
@@Sara3346 omg I totally forgot about that one. But yeah, that’s a great one too. Definitely more relatable. I think everyone has felt cornered at times and wished for something to take them out of that situation. Even if it’s a boy with a bat. Satoshi Kon was awesome though. Really sucks he wasn’t able to make more.
So far it really feels like the real argument isn’t “is violence necessary” because it would seem so. The real question is “how do you change an unjust system where violence is used on the undeserving?” And it seems to require that you be able to speak truth to power. Power is not always willing to listen to truth.
14.57 - "Violence is like a disease. Without immunity, without preparing against the worst, it spreads like wildfire."
It's super-niche, but that happened with the elves of Warhammer Fantasy. They were born into a utopian world without conflict, and when conflict finally arrived they were almost helpless to defend themselves. They had never known war, so when it arrived they were *far* from ready for it.
Therr always being a bigger stick can also be a message of Hope ❤
You're always able to ride above the current greatest oppressive power🎉
What an amazing video and I'm so glad someone acknowledged Jormungand...God what an amazing Animanga one of my favorite of all time
This is a fantastic analysis, thanks!! Psycho Pass is an important sci-fi dystopian story to watch or read. It raises many important questions about how society should look.
Thank you! Psycho Pass has honestly given me more to think about than any other series so far
I’ve always seen violence as something necessary to protect but also that there are times where you must use mercy that violence and mercy are to sides of the same coin and that coin is humanity
This is an amasing video, again
I'd like to add two ideas to the discussion though
1: Kaspar's coment that if there's no iron he will sell clubs is a good point on one hand, but he seems to forget that if people need to use clubs that in of itself is a stopper. Of course there are some special cases, but usually if people have to face the violence like that, up close and personal, a lot less will choose it. A button to press or even a trigger to pull puts distance between you and your victim. During the cold war someone (I forgot his name) suggested to put the key to nuclear warfare inside a person and let the president carve it out with a knife if he decided to launch another bomb, so he would have to face at least a little of the horror he would spread. So yes, there will always be violence and always a market for it's tools, but the more primitive the tools get, the less likely people are to choose them.
2: Is anyone else such a big fan of the concept that they made Koko kompletely snow white? She looks innocent, even angelic and then turns to be this nearly lucifer like being, claiming to be greater than god. (Sorry that one's pointless, I'm just a fan)
For sure, making people be up close and personal, at least when they've grown up knowing the distance, will reduce their will to enact violence. the terrifying part though is that there will always be someone ready to make that distance for profit, as he is.
As for Koko, I absolutely love her character all around. Jormungand isn't my favorite anime, but for the longest time my lengthiest video was entirely dedicated to her haha. I do like that her design, from colors to clothing choice, is always so "pure," even after she grows accustomed to up close violence. It's like what seems to be an expression of stuck-up detachment becomes representative of her desires instead
Im also a fan of Koko's design and how it contrasts with Jonah's
Idk, it didn't stop all of our ancestors
Another masterpiece bro. Just remember nothing good worth having is obtained in a day
“We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”
-Churchill
Fun fact: this quote was actually inspired by Richard Grenier, who said “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
Either way. Ifbyour not capable of harm, not imposing harm is not a virtue. Thus you can't *truly* be virtuous in that manner without the capacity for violence.
There is a lot to be learned with the capacity to do great harm but the will and wisdom to of when and how to do it. Try carrying concealed with a full understanding of the potential repucussions of your actions. It's actually a heavy weight to bear.
*Standing here*
*I realize*
*You are just like me*
*Trying to make history*
*But who’s to judge*
*The right from wrong*
*When our guard is down*
*I think we’ll both agree*
*That Violence, breeds violence*
*But in the end it has to be this way!*
*I’ve carved my own path*
*You followed your wrath*
*But maybe we’re both the same*
*The world has turned*
*And so many have burned*
*But nobody is to blame!*
*Yet staring across this barren wasted land*
*I feel new life will be born*
*Beneath the blood stained sand*
*Beneath the blood stained sand!*
Struggle is the father of all innovation, those who see violence as inherently evil are anti-human.
They deny our nature and the rewards we find in the struggle.
A world without violence is a world ruled by absolute tyrants.
beautiful video. thank you for reminding me of a life beyond the violence I've seen within my own family. I wish you well
Clicked on this to disagree... and after the first 1:30 minutes you somehow compiled a thought of mine I couldn't quite put to paper while struggling to write short stories devoid of any concept of violent conflict.
So yeah ... Great video! Smooth editing! Also funny of you to say its difficult to pull off multiple episodes of just people talking while your youtube channel is more or less just a series of hour long monologues :P
1 person with a gun can control 100 without one.....i myself am not going to hope for the mercy of the guy holding it. id rather be able to give mercy than hope it will be given to me.
depends how many bullets in the gun
@@shaunakmitra963 sure but a majority of people nowadays are too cowardly and unwilling to risk their lives to all rush the person holding that gun in the hypothetical scenario. The name for this concept is called the "bystander effect." To put it simply, it's "someone else will do it/take care of it." For an example, it's like seeing someone getting stabbed to death and thinking/saying "someone do something" but not doing something yourself.
The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual crime.
... which is because the collective of individuals that makes up the state agree that the statr should be the only one to wield it.
Which leads to genocides and oppression
@@sfjuhispst8144 not true
I think it's important to remember that the Pandora's Box you talk about, predates humans, and perhaps could be described as as old as life itself. Violence is the natural result of unrestrained competition- or rather, competition in its natural state of being, without arbitrary rules and morality. Perhaps it could be said that Pandora's Box opened first when the first single-celled organism predated another; or maybe it was when the first parasitic or predatory forms of life came to emerge, but I'd argue it's inherent to life itself. It's no coincidence that our species- humanity- has risen to be the dominant species on the planet, the alpha predator; it's the result of the evolution of violence (and survival, which necessitated either violence and/or the means to propagate despite violence, long before humans) reaching its most successful peak as we know it- our species.
Isaac Arthur said it a while ago, and it exemplifies it well.
Remember, that when you step outside you are walking on the detritus of a four billion year deep corpse pile, threading over the remains of untold trillions. Humans have clawed their way to the top of this mound of carnage, if anything it is more suprising that we dont wholeheartedly embrace it.
The artist Leslie Fish has a phenomenal song about the necessity of violence called "The Sun Is Also A Warrior"
My favorite thing is whenever in Yakuza series the protagonist Kiryu teaches people to resolve problems through discussion and being civil by breaking someone's spine in 10 places. I feel like through the entire series there is an underlying theme of violence being a necessity because there will be people who cannot be reasoned with and not confronting them doesn't teach them a lesson. It enables them to continue with their evil. Vinland Saga S2 continued the theme of characters possibly dying at any moment while introducing some Naruto-tier plot armor at the same time taking away from the point it tried to make.
Yeah, season two really struggled compared to one for me. It felt more needlessly dramatic, with worse pacing due to some overall weak characters. I think it still has some good ideas, but it skipped a lot of what I thought would be interesting and focused on what wasn't at times
Understanding what you said in the Vinland Saga section:
Humans make things far more complex than they have to be.
In everything.
There are many times I wonder why we exist.... Many times.
Currently, I'm like Thorfin:
in a state of existing until I can finally stop, but not living.
Been in that state for over a year, now.
People tell me they are glad I am still making it... But I don't know what the point is.
I knew what content this latest season of Vinland Saga had, and because I am in a similar mental state, to Thorfin, I have not watched it, yet.
I don't think it's that we make things more complex than they need to be. I think it's that that's how complex things are, and violence ignores that for an easier path. Without complexity, there is no individuality, no personality, no beauty to human beings. Of course there must be balance, but finding a way through complexity is how we often find value. I'm not sure what to say on how to begin that process, but if people are happy you're around, there's a reason for it. You add complexity to their lives in a good way, and that itself is an aspect of value
I did'nt know that the same person that came up with Madoka Magica came up with Psych- Pass. By the way I have almost completed watching 100 anime series.
Oh yeah, Urobuchi is Fate/Zero, Psycho-Pass, and Madoka Magica just to name the big ones. Also thats awesome to hear! Hope 100 feels great!
@@ProfessorViralIt will. Feels good watching 0.01% of all anime that has been produced so far.
It's nice to find a fellow dub watcher
"Violence is the supreme authority, from which all other authority is derived."
"To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."
People believe these two statements are in conflict. What they fail to realize is that violence is not the first form of authority, but rather, what the first authority relies on for it's credibility.
Everything in existence works on equilibrium, for there to be peace one must know the cost of absolute violence
I'm unsure on how I feel about the idea of perceptions interplay with balance, that we must know evil to appreciate good and so on. But it is undeniable that it at least colors our perspective, in that knowing violence can lead us to be better capable of handling and avoiding it for the better
To know something exist in physics, in theology, in any type of conjecture, you have to interact with it, to prove it exist. The same way you only know the limits of a material is to stress test it to breaking. How we perceive the world only exist in the limits we accept in our observations of things breaking or seeing them break, how else would you know to stop? Death for better or worse and in combination extreme violence give life a consequence. You brought this up in your section on jormungand when discussing how war profiteers extort the world to keep their racket alive. @@ProfessorViral
I'm have lived with a lack of r*pe and murder in my life quite fine to be honest.
Yin and Yang. Balance is everything. Without balance you get extremism and uncontrolled violence. With balance, there may be violence, but, it will be under control.
First of your videos I've ever seen. Really enjoyed it and I really enjoyed how you linked the animes and explained your position.
I always think about the opening line of the Sith Code - Peace is a lie. I believe this. We can't have peace without violence which means we cannot have peace
very well done I like your final take, and I think you covered many of the less obvious perspectives. Which is quite impressive considering the abundance of fairly simplistic takes usually found on youtube.
"I wanna punch stuff, I wanna punch stuff, I wanna punch-slam-boom-bang-kick, PUNCH STUFF" - All of humanity, probably ever
I wanna use my Irish battle axe
I WANNA USE MY IRISH BATTLE AXE
This idea reminds me of Demolition Man and the year of 2032, where everything had become so sterilized and safe that the entire police force was unable to handle a single "old-fashioned criminal". The flagship line of their efforts to subdue him (and getting absolutely wrecked for trying) is "We're police officers. We're not trained to handle this kind of violence!"
i would argue a large amount of weapons prevents violence to a large degree. Most gun deaths in the US are from suicides and a vast major is from gang violence. Hardly any is from school shootings or this mall shooting up the road from me. There’s roughly 3 million self defense uses each year that results in no deaths. Cops and teachers at schools with guns will prevent schools being targeted. Violence takes the path of least resistance. So the actor will go to the place that’s easiest to commit their violence. Which with concealed carry where it’s a fact these people on avery have way more training that. cops themselves. The violence can e neutralized with self defense. Self defense can not be violence. It’s a protective measure not with the intention to kill but put in that position to protect yourself and others. One is violence one is heroic.
Easy and common access to violence does not prevent violence, as exemplified by the very statistics you presented, though I would argue societies in which ready access to weapons to the public are already violent, which in turn leads to the wide spread of tools of violence, rather than the other way around.
Getting rid of widespread ownership of arms amongst a civilian populace was a measure of governmental control against rebellion, yes, but it was also a luxury afforded by extremely good public security in the first place. This security often a result of large, empowered and brutal special police forces, but security nontheless.
Awesome video! I think people tend to forget that even the most peaceful of societies, are enforced by equally violent means. When your actions have no consequences upon yourself, youre free to do whatever you please, no matter how egregious. The violent minority will have far heavier impact than the peaceful majority
"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."
I don't like violence, but i understand that it is necessary for change. The oversimplification I've seen particularly from vinland saga fans is troubling. Without violence, complacency is absolute, and no change can be made. To see a better world, people have had to die, for all of history, that doesn't just stop when you start saying "I have no enemies." I don't like that, but as someone who plans to change the world, I understand that to make change, some level of conflict is necessary, and the outcome is what determines whether the lives lost were worth it in order to save and protect the future generations.
Well this is timely with the third Intifada
“It makes no difference what men think of war. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.”
Fantastic video, mans just created the next series on my watchlist
I just thought of something everyone has their own personal laws they live their life by because people can only do one thing at one time people have to make choices on how they spend their time because to do one thing it's the temporarily give up doing anything else. And to achieve major goals you necessarily need to give up a lot of things to achieve them so people give themselves rules be able to achieve goals easier.
yes that is how it is. People live their own paths in which they sacrifice different things to reach what they deem to be more important. Rules are set subconsciously or consciously to make sure you reach that goal/ideal. A good man must sacrifice the hypothetical winnings of he as a bad man so he can reach his ideal of good, that is a rule 'to be good'.
I think this follows an interesting way to flip how we think about life; we often consider ourselves the collection of what we have done, but we can also consider ourselves everything we have not done. In this way, we see that limitation is what defines a life, and it stresses the importance of exactly what you said; everything comes with the sacrifice of other things. As someone doing this and working full time, I can attest heavily to that
After watching this entire video n having my mind stretched on the topic, I'll leave this verse as a hope for those who wonder if there'll ever be true peace
Revelation 21:4-5 KJV
[4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
I find beastars the best when it comes to pacifism "pacifism only holds meaning when the upstrong hold it" and it as dont automatically use violence but do use it if others refuse to resolve there problems pacifism/peacefully
I wasn't expecting a Jormungand part! most people don't know about this gem
What struck as entirely absurd in the most chilling way: At 02:38 he says "One disgruntled man in a mall who hasn't even bothered anyone yet, is a cause for dispatching two officers" - I realised how often that happens in the actual world. Its only now that he mentioned it this way (i'd previously watched psycho-pass), the exact thing happened to me, in a mall...and I wasn't even disgruntled...just black.
There is a distinction in numbers, as those two officers are something like 1/9 of their entire force, where as in America where we overspend to make police like their own tiny militaries it's much less of their overall force sent out. However, the principle is the same in that an in group, Sibyl, is expending energy to oppress a group which they feel threatens their power, the "latent criminals." I was focused mostly on showcasing the absurdity of the percentage there, however it is very true that such a thing unfortunately tracks to real world experinces
There is no justifiable violence, violence in a sense of an strict act against law.
Meaning all and every crime, and harm is injust. Something such as a "accidental murder while defending yourself or someone else from an aggressor" is no violence in my opinion, for it is just in the eyes of law
The question of Violence I feel is best summed up for me in three tenets.
1) (If possible) Live and let live.
2) Meet Violence proportionally with an equal or exceeding amount necessary to nullify any threat.
3) When fighting monsters, be careful to not become one, for if you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss will stare back into you.
I finally got around to watching Vinland Saga and have returned to watch this
Welp, gota watch this anime now
Philosophy in Our Modern Era.
These concepts are important, especially now.
Jesus Christ, the quality of these videos with this low a subscriber and view count must be a sin, this is some great-ass content
@ProfessorViral I think you should read C.S Lewis essay on the necessity of Chivalry, all throughout the video i thought that was the best answer to the question at the end.
Maquiavel art of war. 04 choices a soldier must learn in a battlefild.
Rumelt 04 types of competitive advantage.
Life is made of 04 choices. Atcg dna for a reason.
In law, 04 types of rights, as the 04 types of situations in the trolley dilemma.
Great analisys.
Godspeed.
Too add to the comment of use from the Jormungand section, there's a good chance that the same company that made your washing machine and dryer also made the system's vital to the guns on the A-10 Warthog, one of the most famous warmachines in the US arsenal.
Bro you did all my top anime’s thank you for real 🤤🤤🤤
Of course 👍
Another banger video. So well said and I hope to see you again soon too Mr viral.
Thank you very much!
Violence is pain, and pain begets growth, what grows from your pain is a reflection of you and you alone. Knowing your violence is knowing what you will grow. Blood can fertalize soil, but water is what things need to really grow. There is a time, and a place, for all things. Balance is key. Just because you can, doesnt mean you should. Its okay to know how, but its better to know when to.
The real goal is if you want to be a better person or destroy everything
Don't comment on videos often but very very well done!
Power is everything. While power has many forms there are three primary, the capacity for direct physical violence, to redirect violence and to mitogate violence. All life is violence. You do not peacefully eat food, you violently crush it to goo before swallowing where it is violently dissolved by your stomach, even breathing requires force and or violence.
“Colonialism is not a thinking machine, nor a body endowed with reasoning faculties. It is violence in its natural state, and it will only yield when confronted with greater violence.” -Franz Fanon concerning violence, within the book wretched of the Earth. A necessary book on colonial settler states.
I'd be very interested to see you dig deeper post S1 Psycho Pass - I know it's a huge stretch for so many people who love S1, but I think it's a bit of a shame that there's this cloud that is Gen Urobuchi that people just can't seem to get over and prevents them from facing the work (imperfect and sometimes unnecessarily complicated as it is) without continuously referring to S1 or looking for "the way Urobuchi did this and that".
Post S1, the series and characters continue to evolve (not necessarily in the way people expect or are looking for), in the context of this "violence" that was the topic of your video plus more, and specially because these themes come full circle in the latest iteration, Providence. You've seen it all (I assume you saw Providence), and I'm sure you know, the philosophical themes are less on the nose, and admittedly the convoluted plot probably makes it a bit harder to digest plus the show no longer holds the audience's hand and instead gives them the tools to dig deeper into it.
What I've discovered is that this series rewards interest and commitment to understand the story being told, granted there is a LOT of Japanese cultural/historical/political context in there that won't necessarily be immediately relatable to foreign audiences unwilling to look at it in that lens. The fact that there's so many aspects of the plot that were ahead of it's time (ex. PP3's depiction of AI in 2019, before CGPT exploded - when you think about how anime production happens in spans of years before release this was quite amazing) and remains to be relevant in current times, I wish more people would open their eyes to what Psycho Pass is truly about. Psycho Pass is a plot-driven series that has strong characters, not the other way around. This is up to you of course, your channel your decisions - but this is a roundabout way to (request) and challenge you because your vids are great even if I don't agree with everything you say ☺
edit: and wondering if you've developed (for the best) in terms of the way you see characters like Mika but that's another thing.
Such a great video - I learn so much and it give me new thoughts
I wrote a paper in college about the necessity of violence after reading things fall apart and heart of darkness. It was pretty good and I made some similar points to you, but i just couldn't put together anywhere near this comprehensively.... so damnit, if only I had watched psycho-pass by then! Maybe I could've written the perfect paper 😔
I'll forever remember Dragonball Z Abridged and Android 16's speech to Gohan
Hey, I'm just happy to see Jormungandr mentioned