WHO'S THE BEST COMMANDER FROM DUSKMOURN IN cEDH?

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  • Опубліковано 10 лис 2024

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  • @cobaltbeau
    @cobaltbeau Місяць тому +265

    Woah, Master of Keys putting Escape on Dress Down is really sick.

    • @PlaytoWinMTG
      @PlaytoWinMTG  Місяць тому +44

      Right???

    • @hunterstrong3318
      @hunterstrong3318 Місяць тому +7

      ​@@PlaytoWinMTG welcome to modern grixis shadow when lurrus wasnt banned

    • @Temzilla2
      @Temzilla2 Місяць тому +8

      When I saw the card I said "ooh, you can recur mystic remora/dress down/solitary confinement/contamination"

    • @issacharlane4003
      @issacharlane4003 Місяць тому +4

      I think because of this interaction, this might end up being the strongest esper commander. So many creature/commander centric decks exist (thoracle). Having a way to at instant speed shut down all of that is bananas.

    • @dawn_oh420
      @dawn_oh420 Місяць тому +1

      @@hunterstrong3318man, now i wish dress down was on arena 😭

  • @jonnybirch2268
    @jonnybirch2268 Місяць тому +260

    I love how many times Cam almost said “Valgavoth” correctly, then corrected himself and said it wrong 😂

    • @PlaytoWinMTG
      @PlaytoWinMTG  Місяць тому +87

      We’re trying our best here

    • @jonnybirch2268
      @jonnybirch2268 Місяць тому +10

      @@PlaytoWinMTG and I think it’s great :)

    • @Cha0sRising90
      @Cha0sRising90 Місяць тому

      I love it! Don't ever change, @PlaytoWinMTG

    • @moonbreaker
      @moonbreaker Місяць тому +3

      Petition for a Secret Lair drop version of the card that is identical to the standard one, but named "Valvagoth".

    • @cameronsmith381
      @cameronsmith381 Місяць тому +3

      He incorrected himself

  • @rav5373
    @rav5373 Місяць тому +166

    Missed opportunity to call the Jolly Balloon deck "Squeaky-Jiki"

    • @windy7820
      @windy7820 Місяць тому +15

      I'm a big fan of 'Freaky Jiki' myself

    • @SkaalKesh
      @SkaalKesh Місяць тому +2

      Holy crap that's perfect! Calling it that from now on!

  • @tkmoosey4436
    @tkmoosey4436 Місяць тому +98

    Anyone else forget this wasnt a spell table game and get a little freaked out when Dylan reached across the playmats to count bane of progress... Just me... Okay.

    • @ghostdragonzero
      @ghostdragonzero Місяць тому +5

      I was about to say this, I was like wtf

  • @andrewcampbell2680
    @andrewcampbell2680 Місяць тому +27

    I have been watching this channel for a while now, and one of things that I enjoy most about it (aside from the funny banter that the table almost always has) is how they add the little edits about how they miss played and what the actual outcome should have been if it was crucial game error. Hats off gents!

  • @havardharaldsen332
    @havardharaldsen332 Місяць тому +64

    The mutual "Hm." on the Dress Down. Perfect.

  • @Smitty5Zeros1
    @Smitty5Zeros1 Місяць тому +31

    Cant wait to hear your guys thoughts on this banlist they dropped today.

  • @7thCircleHobbies
    @7thCircleHobbies Місяць тому +62

    The dress down on the birds was both gross and a top level play lol. What a great game

    • @mopanda81
      @mopanda81 25 днів тому +1

      three dress downs in one game absolutely huge

  • @fakehotdog1634
    @fakehotdog1634 Місяць тому +28

    Pretty much each commander had their moment, really impressive that they can all perform so well at this power level!

  • @AresVishnu
    @AresVishnu Місяць тому +26

    Who’s here 5 minutes after they banned Mana Crypt, Dockside, etc to see if this is the last video we’ll see them?

    • @aylmao8723
      @aylmao8723 Місяць тому

      yup just waiting on their video :D

  • @Cha0sRising90
    @Cha0sRising90 Місяць тому +8

    Will is a great add to the episode! Good banter, politic-ing, and a good understanding of the deck imo. Great to have you on, Will 💜

  • @GA-ee1er
    @GA-ee1er Місяць тому +22

    Would love to see more Master of Keys, as I am keen on building it. Also, wow, that Valgavoth drew so many cards!

    • @aultimusprime
      @aultimusprime Місяць тому

      I was a little interested in Valgavoth, then saw how much players damage themselves for effects and am much more interested.

    • @thedoctor1471
      @thedoctor1471 Місяць тому +1

      @@aultimusprime remember, it only triggers once per turn, and only for the opponent whose turn it is. So far less explosive than ObNix

  • @scaevola
    @scaevola Місяць тому +7

    Loved this music in this episode, especially around the Bane of Progress

  • @casperpedersen223
    @casperpedersen223 Місяць тому +5

    God, I love watching you guys. You just always seem to be having a blast and it is so freaking wholesome.

  • @wikipipo5465
    @wikipipo5465 Місяць тому +4

    I'd love to see a casual episode featuring Rendmaw, Creaking Nest. He's definitely my favorite commander from the new set in terms of casual fun, and I'd love to see others trying to build around him.

  • @tdugan87
    @tdugan87 Місяць тому

    This is cool, I’ve never played cEDH but you guys do a really great job of making is easier to follow. I really like the pauses to help explain. Looking forward to new videos!

  • @fenrir3103
    @fenrir3103 Місяць тому +1

    This video is the push I needed to go on with my Valgavoth deck. Thanks!

  • @danielchausse6988
    @danielchausse6988 Місяць тому +3

    Master of Keys seemed awesome, I'm shocked Tyler couldn't find the win with all those cards

  • @jrclarke93
    @jrclarke93 Місяць тому +2

    Hakim Loreweaver + Treachery + Claws of Gix is the sauce for an infinite mana combo. You just need Borne upon a wind/Emergence Zone to cast your commander to win

  • @DontYouFret
    @DontYouFret Місяць тому

    This was a fantastic episode. A lot of interaction and cooo synergy. You guys are killing it.

  • @ljlk8583
    @ljlk8583 Місяць тому +2

    as much as these commanders didn't seem all that great in the set review, this was one of the coolest cedh games I've seen in a long time

  • @Facter-di3cm
    @Facter-di3cm Місяць тому +2

    We need a video on the new bans what deck it makes bad what combos it gets rid of and what you guys think the state of CEDH will look like moving forward

  • @TopdeckTech
    @TopdeckTech Місяць тому +2

    We need more hip hop classics with Cam and Dylan

  • @CalamitousCactus
    @CalamitousCactus Місяць тому +1

    I'm ready to hear their takes on the bans, I think it would be health for a split in banlists. One for CEDH and one for casual

  • @dasfabelwesen
    @dasfabelwesen Місяць тому +3

    Necromancy seems really cool in tyler's deck.

  • @zexal_fighter2767
    @zexal_fighter2767 Місяць тому +1

    Great episode and enjoyed Will’s energy!

  • @SpinAroundU
    @SpinAroundU Місяць тому

    Loved the Valgavoth side note, found the card pretty cool going into spoilers and your review was painful lmao! Sure it's only 3 cards a turn but it procs on half the cedh staples from crypt to force of will, and in rakdos you take any draw you can.

  • @TrollVision01
    @TrollVision01 Місяць тому +2

    convoke actually counts as paying mana, you can convoke stuff with vexing bauble for example and it will not get countered

    • @rinan5317
      @rinan5317 Місяць тому

      Was about to comment this. Good catch.

    • @TrollVision01
      @TrollVision01 Місяць тому

      @exsnypre totally true, the Reminders and the gatherer are missleading in the way it is explained

  • @aultimusprime
    @aultimusprime Місяць тому +2

    I think these decks deserve a rematch. This was very entertaining.

    • @zacharybouck9769
      @zacharybouck9769 Місяць тому +1

      Just gotta take out the docksides, Jlo, and crypt 😂

    • @aultimusprime
      @aultimusprime Місяць тому

      @@zacharybouck9769 lol rule zero!

  • @AlexTheAngel222
    @AlexTheAngel222 Місяць тому +5

    Anyone else watching this to count the number of banned cards put on the stack?

  • @thisisthewayinperth
    @thisisthewayinperth Місяць тому +1

    Yo I am so exited for the next Video after updated Ban list ....... BRING IT ON ! ! ! !

  • @KingBoOgie3
    @KingBoOgie3 Місяць тому

    Bane of Progress hit hard! Good edit with the music :)

  • @GoldSabertooth
    @GoldSabertooth Місяць тому

    Love it! Great brews. Wasnt sold on this set at first but been lowkey impressed

  • @shenryu
    @shenryu Місяць тому +2

    What's your thoughts on the new bans. Feels like all the rule 0 and power level talk was just a way to get info to try and shape commander the way the committee wants.

    • @shenryu
      @shenryu Місяць тому +1

      Take the "government" out of commander, lol. Or at least make a cedh ban list.

  • @Koshersquid
    @Koshersquid Місяць тому +1

    Great showcase of all 4 decks!

  • @kerithwooldridge
    @kerithwooldridge Місяць тому +2

    This was a fantastic game. Love the dress down on the birds. Lmao

  • @michaelatbarnett
    @michaelatbarnett Місяць тому +1

    The Kona into Bane of Progress was so cool! Worth the early exit 😂

  • @BadConAngel
    @BadConAngel Місяць тому

    This game was great! I feel like everyone had a chance to show what their commander could do. I hope we can see some more Kona in the future!

  • @mikenewman92
    @mikenewman92 Місяць тому +11

    WE NEED TO HEAR ABOUT THE BAN LIST

    • @gabecastillo1634
      @gabecastillo1634 Місяць тому +4

      This rc is so bad bro, those bans were not needed in the format

    • @AdaWongMistress
      @AdaWongMistress Місяць тому +3

      They will probably cry like the manchilds on reddit. People overreacting HARD, like "oh no my deck lost 2 cards, now i can´t possibly ever cast this commander, i´m gonna sell my collection".

    • @itsSmiv
      @itsSmiv Місяць тому +2

      ​@@AdaWongMistressthat's exactly what is happening lmao

    • @AdaWongMistress
      @AdaWongMistress Місяць тому +2

      @@itsSmiv bunch of entitled babies. That´s why the cedh folk is the laughing stock of the mtg community

    • @nickmitch1734
      @nickmitch1734 Місяць тому

      @@AdaWongMistressto be fair if two of those cards were in your deck, it’s nearly $300 in value lost and a significant shift in power level of that deck lol

  • @MrFairbanksak1
    @MrFairbanksak1 Місяць тому

    Master of Keys is better than I thought, wow. Being able to essentially keep Mystic Remora in play constantly, or play Dress Down over and over, is really good. Damn, I want to buy that commander deck now.

  • @danyellesarah1433
    @danyellesarah1433 Місяць тому +1

    Definitely waiting on a new video of how cEDH will be affected by the new bans 🤔

  • @jackharries9057
    @jackharries9057 Місяць тому +2

    Y’all need to make a video about these banned

  • @NV_3
    @NV_3 Місяць тому +1

    WE NEED A VIDEO ON THE UPDATED BAN LIST IN COMMANDER STAT!!!

  • @ashking4434
    @ashking4434 Місяць тому

    As someone who is wanting to get into cEDH and is debating on playing Rakdos, my personal opinion would be that Valgavoth “feels” better than Ob Nixis, for the reason mentioned in the video. I personally enjoy having hidden information and keeping my cards till I’m ready to use them. I also fully respect anyone who enjoys playing Ob Nixis.

  • @Dtdragpnd1
    @Dtdragpnd1 Місяць тому +1

    How does kikijiki and FOMO combo? 2:13 FOMO says first time it attacks so it would only get 1 extra combat?

    • @darthwatto
      @darthwatto Місяць тому

      It might be that when the 1st FOMO attacks, you untap kikijiki, then get a new combat, activate kikijiki, create a new FOMO with haste, then repeat.(if the 1st FOMO is gonna die to blocks you just activate kikijiki and create the copy before damage) Unless somebody has an indestructible blocker, you can probably just go through a ton of combats sending a string of FOMOS

    • @Dtdragpnd1
      @Dtdragpnd1 Місяць тому

      @@darthwatto im saying the problem is even if it’s a token copy since it shares the name then it shouldn’t trigger again giving infinite combats.

    • @darthwatto
      @darthwatto Місяць тому +1

      @@Dtdragpnd1 It does, since the name only refers to the object it's on.
      CR 201.4 Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects

    • @thekurtrussell4007
      @thekurtrussell4007 9 днів тому

      @@Dtdragpnd1😂

  • @basedmatt3459
    @basedmatt3459 Місяць тому

    I’m putting JBM into my ghired mirror of the wilds deck. if you can hold JBM and Ghired and drop the new etb lizard or VBR you can go crazy.

  • @bricknolty5478
    @bricknolty5478 Місяць тому

    Holy crap, I'm so used to the webcam games, that my brain broke a little bit when someone reached across frame to edit their life total lol

  • @ezraholman9871
    @ezraholman9871 Місяць тому

    Hey, do you guys do Primers for newer decks or have a place you prefer to find them?

  • @TheBalrog42
    @TheBalrog42 Місяць тому

    Good job as always. Very interesting on seeing what are your opinion on the ban shaking the format (yeah like everyone here apparently). How did the meta will adapt, will it be good or bad for diversity ? I share some of the opinion here (financial value loss, ...) but just do some proxies, or accept it and move on

  • @stewat8
    @stewat8 Місяць тому

    Shoutout to my buddy Will, glad you got to be there dude!

  • @dannojacks2220
    @dannojacks2220 Місяць тому +3

    Who’s here after the new commander ban? Bring my mana crypt back!

  • @Connor-iu5wk
    @Connor-iu5wk Місяць тому +2

    Hearing the phonk is epic

  • @youngkale8703
    @youngkale8703 Місяць тому +1

    When are we going to hear your opinion on the recent ban my guys? I’m curious what you think.

  • @hunterstrong3318
    @hunterstrong3318 Місяць тому

    Hey, i was curious what your guys thoughts on how a rograkh/ tymna mardu hammertime deck would be. Ive had pretty high success compared to semi competitive players but havent bridged to playing against TEDH style decks

  • @HotSauceTurtle
    @HotSauceTurtle Місяць тому

    Excited to see more of Kona!

  • @TPHHippo
    @TPHHippo Місяць тому

    Wouldn't mind seeing a "Best Rakdos Commander Fall 2024" episode!
    Does Obby hold his place over Rakdos the Muscle, or Imskir, or this new boi???

  • @jasonclarkson3246
    @jasonclarkson3246 Місяць тому +1

    Guys, please make a video on the CEDH bans!!!!!!!!!

  • @charlesmaillho367
    @charlesmaillho367 Місяць тому +1

    Y'all keep talking about them missed roiling vortex triggers yet y'all missed the missed trigger from when cam casted the deflecting swat for free! That extra 5 would have put him under when he played saw in half for free.

  • @flashoxmtg
    @flashoxmtg Місяць тому +1

    Love the Phantom's Revenge shirt

  • @joeyblackard6346
    @joeyblackard6346 Місяць тому +1

    New ban list makes me sad
    Can’t wait for yall to talk about it

  • @TenPace
    @TenPace Місяць тому

    Holy moly escaping Dress Down is nasty

  • @aultimusprime
    @aultimusprime Місяць тому

    Tyler's deck went off hard, and then Bane bomb!

  • @paulnorrange9217
    @paulnorrange9217 Місяць тому

    I can’t wait to try out that jolly balloon man deck with a legal dockside in my de… wait a minute :(

  • @TheUniversalEclipse
    @TheUniversalEclipse Місяць тому

    Now that jeweled lotus, mana crypt and dockside are banned I feel like Valgavoth is a big consideration over Ob Nixilis, that extra mana is a huge difference.

  • @bryanvincentbrocal1222
    @bryanvincentbrocal1222 Місяць тому

    i believe cam missed a draw trigger when fomo attacked tyler, and cam should've drawn another card when valgavoth attked will

  • @AnarchoLoserist
    @AnarchoLoserist Місяць тому

    sound track as always on point

  • @trevorstammler
    @trevorstammler Місяць тому +1

    There’s a certain irony seeing a dockside go crazy the day before being banned… 😂

  • @n00exec
    @n00exec Місяць тому +2

    I just wanted to say... 09/23/24... RIP: Mana Crypt / Jeweled Lotus / Dockside... (and yeah Nadu... but fuck that bird)

  • @brackishwater8484
    @brackishwater8484 Місяць тому +1

    Damn, can't believe they banned mana crypt, dockside, and jewelled lotus.

  • @boosterfreakmtg
    @boosterfreakmtg Місяць тому

    Wasn't the village bell-ringers in play? It would combo off with the ballon man and gain infinite mana and creatures with haste

  • @iortega
    @iortega Місяць тому

    correct me if i am wrong, but dress down enters at the end step of Cam, so it has to be sac in the same end step, or because it enters on end step, is after the beginning of that end steps and that trigger doesn't apply?

  • @Modest7787
    @Modest7787 Місяць тому +1

    when does the ep about the commander bannings come out? cedh just got hosed and thoracle is emergency ban?

  • @mopanda81
    @mopanda81 25 днів тому

    sawing in half a broodlord always fun

  • @FinnTheFish16
    @FinnTheFish16 Місяць тому

    Deck names are always in point

  • @erikstone8336
    @erikstone8336 Місяць тому

    I have a question.
    At 15:15, Will triggers both Valvagoths and Tyler says that Cam's trigger goes on the stack first. My question is: is it the time stamp that says whose trigger happens first or is it play order?
    Also I love how powerful Master of keys is in Tyler's deck! Great deck building Tyler!

    • @peterzheng723
      @peterzheng723 Місяць тому +1

      Tyle said cam's resolve 1st,and It is turn order.when balloon took damage,Tyler put the trigger on stack 1st then Cam put his on stack.then the stack will try to resolve,so Cams trigger will resolve before Tyler

  • @fortyfivedollars45
    @fortyfivedollars45 Місяць тому

    Is it worth building a Dimir commander for cEDH or is it not competitive enough? If it is what commander would you recommend?

  • @jacobpearson8573
    @jacobpearson8573 Місяць тому

    In the Jolly Balloon man build Do you have to run mana echoes?

  • @fr3ddiefir3ball49
    @fr3ddiefir3ball49 Місяць тому

    Bane of progress was my game winner the other day with ygra!! 💪

  • @SageGnosis
    @SageGnosis Місяць тому

    What app are y'all using for your life totals?

  • @briceannonier4327
    @briceannonier4327 Місяць тому

    I appreciate your videos gang. They're cool.

  • @CHoustonify
    @CHoustonify Місяць тому

    I know this is probably wishful thinking, but I FEEL like Arabella might have something going on. On a lucky draw in casual I had a turn 3 win because of Ocelot Pride, and making a billion tokens seems like it might be trivial? I guess the issue is if you can make a billion tokens, you already won, and other commanders can facilitate that billion tokens better. Still, killing a table of Blue Farms and Nadus with a doll is so enticing.

  • @newt8655
    @newt8655 Місяць тому

    Master of keys seemed sick for sure

  • @farwen4967
    @farwen4967 Місяць тому +2

    First of all: love your content just found you guys recently and im realy enjoying it so far.
    I would like to ask a question. is there a strategic reasoning for playing mox opal turn 1 despite it not being online or is it just a playpattern as it would virtually make no difference?
    Hope my english aint to bad greetings from a german fan.

    • @wesleyvansteenburg9970
      @wesleyvansteenburg9970 Місяць тому +3

      I think it has to do with whether you expect your opponents to play a card that can get advantage from it. That doesn't apply here (as his opponents don't have rhystic/mystic), but it may just be habit for tyler. The only major con to doing that is it feeds dockside, but that can be fine. Giving your opponents cards might not be.

    • @noahclay9020
      @noahclay9020 Місяць тому +1

      Plays around other players drawing into cards like Rhystic Study, Mystic Remora, Esper Sentinel, and other Stax cards. Plays into Dockside Extortionist but that is only one card versus many.

    • @farwen4967
      @farwen4967 Місяць тому

      That makes sense to me thanks for the insight guys:) in this specific scenario i cant help myself to think that it might be better to keep it as the other color dont have access to named cards appart from sentinel but that is my Personal Interpretation of optimal play and very nitpicky :D

    • @xahhfink
      @xahhfink Місяць тому +1

      ​@@farwen4967wheel of fortune might be another one that he wanted to play around, plus obviously esper sentinel and dauntless dismantler

  • @squiggless3968
    @squiggless3968 Місяць тому

    Master of keys seems really sick

  • @CommandCope
    @CommandCope Місяць тому +1

    did tyler not have infinite mana on his turn with displacer kitten??

  • @ianshaw9829
    @ianshaw9829 Місяць тому

    The fact that the new ban list came out and hosed some Cedh cards if painful

  • @chillypenguin100
    @chillypenguin100 Місяць тому +1

    What's the song used at the 7:45 mark?

    • @Doug464
      @Doug464 Місяць тому

      Level Up by Raccy

  • @DREADxMAW
    @DREADxMAW Місяць тому

    Starting to get into cedh and mannn it's difficult keeping up with those triggers 🤣

    • @DREADxMAW
      @DREADxMAW Місяць тому

      Hey Play to Win im building a Selvala, Heart of the Wilds for my first cedh deck. Do yall ever use her?

  • @ljlk8583
    @ljlk8583 Місяць тому

    If FOMO becomes the new main kiki combo, will titans be run a bit more just to make sure you never run out of cards in your library?

  • @twhite9615
    @twhite9615 Місяць тому

    Wanted to see more of the kona deck. Dylan got screwed over!

  • @rainbowdash2057
    @rainbowdash2057 Місяць тому

    Kona big!! Love it guys ❤

  • @elisgillberg9002
    @elisgillberg9002 Місяць тому +3

    I love the balloon man and i hope there is meta deck with him in the future

    • @BR4IN1N4J4R
      @BR4IN1N4J4R Місяць тому +3

      Squeaky Jiki is a joy to see operate. Definitely an interesting Boros combo deck

  • @niklaszimmermann8685
    @niklaszimmermann8685 Місяць тому

    Why did he shuffle before drawing after discarding final fortune???

  • @eduardoamorim5041
    @eduardoamorim5041 Місяць тому

    Cam, what are your thoughts aborto europapark? I think the new coaster, voltron, is awesome

  • @mazin_47
    @mazin_47 Місяць тому +1

    Already waiting for a new video because of the new bans:'(

  • @DrukenReaps
    @DrukenReaps Місяць тому

    Think we almost saw 'bolt the bird' in cEDH xD

  • @trollsmyfriend
    @trollsmyfriend Місяць тому

    Am I mistaken in thinking Cam missed a few triggers of valgavoth from the attacks of the opponents?

    • @Nyull
      @Nyull Місяць тому +2

      Valgavoth is the first time an opponent takes damage on their own turn.

  • @eliotbrown5907
    @eliotbrown5907 Місяць тому

    IN PERSON RECORDING!!! LET'S GO!!!

  • @taylorjohnson5148
    @taylorjohnson5148 Місяць тому

    Fuck yeah spooky season is upon us

  • @NativeDragon93
    @NativeDragon93 Місяць тому

    Those beetle juice sleeves. I want them!!! Where do I get them!?!?