That exchange @01:02:50 was absolutely incredible, but made all the better by the silent burn of Paul throwing up Judge Unworthy on the cardreader. I see you, Paul. We see you.
Incredibly impressed that Ben was able to resist the urge to just slam these into the corresponding colors and made the effort to match up the mechanics. I don't think I'd ever be able to stop myself from forcing Ironclad into mono red.
In fairness, Mono White is really only strong for the defensive Iron Clad archetype. Given his habit to literally weaponize his own blood, harm himself for profit, and swing for as much damage as possible, Red/Black fits Iron Clad just as well as Mono White.
"Unfortunate that you should be here, because I would have just as much fun on my own". Regular Watcher moment right there. I am beginning to understand why the Time Slug never liked her to be honest.
Wow, wasn't expecting this collab but I'm more than happy to see you and jorbs doing commander together. Been a big fan of spreadsheets for a while, glad to see more of them on this channel.
I'm a big fan of building theme decks with custom alters, so this episode looks like a treat! Haven't delved into giving cards ability words just yet, but honestly, they just work well with StS, so big props to Ben for the whole thing!
As soon as they said Slay the Spire commander, my first thought was "The Silent should definitely be based on Massacre Girl, Known Killer." What a brainwave, Ben!
If Ben doesn't get flooded with people asking him to sign custom Timmy the Tooth playmats at the next several Magiccons/conventions, I feel we'll have missed a great opportunity.
That was an absolute blast! Knew this was gonna be a good one once I saw how well Ben matched up the characters with their respective commanders and mechanics. Very nicely done, Ben.
Theres already art crossovers with STS, the guy who did some of the unfinity duals (Godless Shrine being my fave), and some other arts did the OG poster box art for STS
Graham choosing not to deathmantle his commander was weird. Like, I understand he could proliferate, but there were only 2 permanents with counters anyway?
I fell asleep listening to bad news on UA-cam, and the algorithm felt that I could use some cheering up, and brought me to Moog, thank you Algorithm and thank you Moog ^-^
Really cool, inventive, and thematic brewing by Ben here. There were a couple things that didn't work flavor-wise but I agree were just too perfect in terms of synergies to exclude. Loltacular ending to game 1, starting from the Fallout. I haven't really played much real Magic in a while, just tooling around with old cards. I had heard the hype but never really seen how beastly Orcish Bowmasters really is in practice before, just by itself, even before the synergies with e.g. Massacre Girl, in only the couple turns before Ben neutralized it. Sheeeeeesh. That Reprieve was possibly the biggest dick move I've ever seen in an LRR Commander game. Really interesting endgame for game 2; wasn't nearly as foregone as it seemed at first. My opinions for if they ever actually make a Slay the Spire Universes Beyond Commander product... The Ironclad - WBR. Combat tricks, demons and devils, fire, equipment, vengeance. The Silent - UBG. Cunning, stealth, poison, ninjas, hunting. The Defect - WUG. Development, mechanisms, discovery, growth, self-actualization. The Watcher - WUR. Jeskai. Just...she's Jeskai. Honestly she might just be Narset of the Ancient Way, except NotAW isn't a creature and the Watcher is blind.
I was literally playing Slay the Spire when this got posted here. Also, i am so bad at playing the Watcher, but i only just beat it with her, and it's because i misevaluated a card previously. I thought it was so bad. It easily won me my run
@@sallomon2357 Heel Kick! 2 cost, deal 15 damage and draw 2 cards. At first I thought the 2 cost of this made it bad. It was always a better play than I thought. 15 damage is a lot, and I underestimated how much it would kill enemies while I was in Wrath. It did help that I had a relic that gave me more energy, but it was the one that meant I couldn't rest, so I also had to get lucky at the end of each act to find some kind of healing, good RNG for enemies, or good draws and sequencing. It was incredible tho. The game ended with me entering Divinity for the first time in the run and getting 3 Heel Kicks for tons of damage. So fun!
@@AutkastKain tbh Watcher has so many good commons and card draw that Wheel Kick isn't necessarily needed, but it can certainly put in work, especially in act 1 👍 I also see that you had the Dripper, I myself initially disregarded this relic, but it is indeed very powerful. Though, a small piece of advice: the Watcher manipulates energy so easily that she frequently just doesn't need energy relics. Btw, if you're still having trouble with the Watcher, may I recommend Frost Prime. He has a lot of StS content, and a part of it are card and relic rankings and runs where he goes more in depth into his decisions (though in both cases, these videos are a few years old, so keep that in mind). Before watching those videos, I also had a lot of trouble with the Watcher, but now with that knowledge I realised how broken she is. I don't want to sound like some elitist who requires people to research tonnes of info to be "good", I just think it will at least help you understand the character more and possibly enjoy trying her builds (it also helps Frost himself is entertaining as a person, so it makes remembering everything easier) 😊 Edit: oh, and sorry for the long reply, didn't realise how much I typed 😅
@@sallomon2357 i love the long reply. I only had the dripper cuz I did a random relic to start the game. I think it helped me mostly cuz I was playing more carefully then ever the ENTIRE run cuz I knew I couldn't rest. Most fun I've had in a game in a long time tho. I'm so hyped for StS 2!
Awesome picks for the commanders! I think the only things I would have done differently with the commander choices is give Ironclad something that fits his Demon Possession theming
I'm so happy that I'm not the only person to immediately think of Animate Wall when Ben realized Wall of Runes can't attack. Great minds truly think alike.
The first games ending is very reminiscent of my first game with the Fallout Precons. Literally came down to 3\4 us left with just 1 life and untapping with 3-5 rads. And I won since I survived just because I was chugging bottles from the Nuka Cola Vending Machine.
I’m still holding out for Bridge Night that they joked about in the Twilight Zone episode of Friday Nights where Ben slipped into a dimension where MtG doesn’t exist and the crew plays card games like Cribbage and Solitaire on stream.
Awesome seeing Jorbs play a card game that isn't Slay the Spire. Oh wait... P.S. Timmy the Tooth doesn't need teeth to chew or eat because his mouth is technically all tooth.
Weird comment / observation... why do I think that Jorbs is actually a member of the Upright Citizens Brigade troupe? No offense is meant by this. Every time he spoke I kept thinking I was hearing stuff from UCB... anyone else?
What an absolute garbo pick for the ironclad, he is 100% Mardu (red for strength/damage, white for lifegain/shield and black for lifeloss/drain). Boros or Rakdos would have been fine aswell, but not mono white bruh
Twitter is incapable of nuance by design. The reason there is controversy about this is that Jorbs posted a two hour video essay analysing the decisions made in disqualifying a certain Magic player, telling the story both from the player‘s and the judges‘ (also WotC‘s) perspective. The essay treats both sides as equally human, so I really don‘t get any accusations of Jorbs „having no humanity“, unless of course the accusators didn‘t take the time to watch and understand a two hour video essay. I get not wanting to take the time for that, but I also don‘t believe insulting someone over something like this if you don‘t even know what they‘re saying is warranted. tl;dr Don‘t cancel Jorbs
That exchange @01:02:50 was absolutely incredible, but made all the better by the silent burn of Paul throwing up Judge Unworthy on the cardreader. I see you, Paul. We see you.
We ALL see Paul. Top Drawer, Sir!
I kickstarted the STS board game, I’m so happy it does the actual game justice. It’s not a 1 to 1 adaptation but it’s great and so happy
Its probably better as it is. 1 to 1 adaptation across mediums is almost always a mistake
It's quite good and I'm glad I backed it for the same reason.
I thought I kickstarted but guess my thing cancelled
i'm so sad from this
7:10 Jobs: "So I'm playing Watcher-"
I've seen enough, GG.
That pained "no! not like that!" at 2:56:30 is gorgeous. please never change, Serge
Incredibly impressed that Ben was able to resist the urge to just slam these into the corresponding colors and made the effort to match up the mechanics. I don't think I'd ever be able to stop myself from forcing Ironclad into mono red.
It kinda falls apart with watcher though...
Monopurple anyone?
In fairness, Mono White is really only strong for the defensive Iron Clad archetype.
Given his habit to literally weaponize his own blood, harm himself for profit, and swing for as much damage as possible, Red/Black fits Iron Clad just as well as Mono White.
@@Necroesthat’s a fun take on it. Set us both on fire and hope I outlive you!
@@jon9828 is that not what ur is?
@@tomneilson9501 I guess. It's as close as you're going to get in MTG.
"Unfortunate that you should be here, because I would have just as much fun on my own".
Regular Watcher moment right there.
I am beginning to understand why the Time Slug never liked her to be honest.
"I'm gonna hafta give you a warning for teeth here, Graham." This feels like a sentence I'd expect during a more Phyrexian-focused game.
Wow, wasn't expecting this collab but I'm more than happy to see you and jorbs doing commander together. Been a big fan of spreadsheets for a while, glad to see more of them on this channel.
This is such an incredible idea! I love the proxy reskins! Ben is a master brewer
I'm a big fan of building theme decks with custom alters, so this episode looks like a treat! Haven't delved into giving cards ability words just yet, but honestly, they just work well with StS, so big props to Ben for the whole thing!
As soon as they said Slay the Spire commander, my first thought was "The Silent should definitely be based on Massacre Girl, Known Killer." What a brainwave, Ben!
Was not expecting lrr and jorbs to collab but I am HERE FOR IT
Remember to sing the "Turn One Sol Ring Arcane Signet" to "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" at home
I'm only 15 minutes in, but I am just so impressed by Ben's matching up of the commanders to Slay the Spire characters' vibes
this was much tamer than my expectation of players wheeling their hands every turn
As a fellow Silent enthusiast, I agree. Nekusar even has a visible skull just like her
Serge's tonal shift at 2:50:17 from triumphant to pleading was very funny to me
If Ben doesn't get flooded with people asking him to sign custom Timmy the Tooth playmats at the next several Magiccons/conventions, I feel we'll have missed a great opportunity.
"so i can try again one more time for free" peak magic
Prediction: They all lose to Gremlin Nob after taking too many Skills in act 1
JORBS??? we're so back.
Wheeler predicted Outlaws of Thunder Junction on the Mommander ep back in 2022! 2hr 5min
2:50:26 this is why Defect struggles with Time Eater.
“Foolish… FOOLISH!”
That was an absolute blast! Knew this was gonna be a good one once I saw how well Ben matched up the characters with their respective commanders and mechanics. Very nicely done, Ben.
Theres already art crossovers with STS, the guy who did some of the unfinity duals (Godless Shrine being my fave), and some other arts did the OG poster box art for STS
Bruce Benneise is the artist. His Godless Shrine is also my fav!
Having poured many hours into STS
These commanders are so incredibly accurate
"Nothing bad ever happens to the Kennedys!" I see you.
Also, I volunteer to pay the shipping on all those tokens you want to throw away in the future.
Graham choosing not to deathmantle his commander was weird. Like, I understand he could proliferate, but there were only 2 permanents with counters anyway?
Engagment is the name and spreading joy is the game!
I fell asleep listening to bad news on UA-cam, and the algorithm felt that I could use some cheering up, and brought me to Moog, thank you Algorithm and thank you Moog ^-^
Really cool, inventive, and thematic brewing by Ben here. There were a couple things that didn't work flavor-wise but I agree were just too perfect in terms of synergies to exclude. Loltacular ending to game 1, starting from the Fallout.
I haven't really played much real Magic in a while, just tooling around with old cards. I had heard the hype but never really seen how beastly Orcish Bowmasters really is in practice before, just by itself, even before the synergies with e.g. Massacre Girl, in only the couple turns before Ben neutralized it. Sheeeeeesh.
That Reprieve was possibly the biggest dick move I've ever seen in an LRR Commander game. Really interesting endgame for game 2; wasn't nearly as foregone as it seemed at first.
My opinions for if they ever actually make a Slay the Spire Universes Beyond Commander product...
The Ironclad - WBR. Combat tricks, demons and devils, fire, equipment, vengeance.
The Silent - UBG. Cunning, stealth, poison, ninjas, hunting.
The Defect - WUG. Development, mechanisms, discovery, growth, self-actualization.
The Watcher - WUR. Jeskai. Just...she's Jeskai. Honestly she might just be Narset of the Ancient Way, except NotAW isn't a creature and the Watcher is blind.
I don’t know anything about Slay the Spire, but this really was an amazing pair of commander games! Great brewing, Ben, these decks turned out great!
I’m gonna watch this vod as I grind away at ascension 4 for the defect. So I guess “GO SERGE!”
I watched this episode, loved it, and all I can think after is “Timmy the Tooth’s fractal teeth”
I love how similar these wonderful men look
I only have a passing knowledge of Slay the Spire, but this is super cool. Goob job, Ben :)
I was literally playing Slay the Spire when this got posted here. Also, i am so bad at playing the Watcher, but i only just beat it with her, and it's because i misevaluated a card previously. I thought it was so bad. It easily won me my run
Which one?
@@sallomon2357 Heel Kick! 2 cost, deal 15 damage and draw 2 cards. At first I thought the 2 cost of this made it bad. It was always a better play than I thought. 15 damage is a lot, and I underestimated how much it would kill enemies while I was in Wrath. It did help that I had a relic that gave me more energy, but it was the one that meant I couldn't rest, so I also had to get lucky at the end of each act to find some kind of healing, good RNG for enemies, or good draws and sequencing. It was incredible tho. The game ended with me entering Divinity for the first time in the run and getting 3 Heel Kicks for tons of damage. So fun!
@@AutkastKain tbh Watcher has so many good commons and card draw that Wheel Kick isn't necessarily needed, but it can certainly put in work, especially in act 1 👍 I also see that you had the Dripper, I myself initially disregarded this relic, but it is indeed very powerful. Though, a small piece of advice: the Watcher manipulates energy so easily that she frequently just doesn't need energy relics.
Btw, if you're still having trouble with the Watcher, may I recommend Frost Prime. He has a lot of StS content, and a part of it are card and relic rankings and runs where he goes more in depth into his decisions (though in both cases, these videos are a few years old, so keep that in mind). Before watching those videos, I also had a lot of trouble with the Watcher, but now with that knowledge I realised how broken she is. I don't want to sound like some elitist who requires people to research tonnes of info to be "good", I just think it will at least help you understand the character more and possibly enjoy trying her builds (it also helps Frost himself is entertaining as a person, so it makes remembering everything easier) 😊
Edit: oh, and sorry for the long reply, didn't realise how much I typed 😅
@@sallomon2357 i love the long reply. I only had the dripper cuz I did a random relic to start the game. I think it helped me mostly cuz I was playing more carefully then ever the ENTIRE run cuz I knew I couldn't rest. Most fun I've had in a game in a long time tho. I'm so hyped for StS 2!
Awesome picks for the commanders! I think the only things I would have done differently with the commander choices is give Ironclad something that fits his Demon Possession theming
I'm so happy that I'm not the only person to immediately think of Animate Wall when Ben realized Wall of Runes can't attack. Great minds truly think alike.
Nice, cool to see Jorbs here!!
41:45 Ben, I didn't know and now you have cursed me with this knowledge!
Likewise
I see Jacques Orblong is seeking refuge in Canada
Are the proxy artworks obtainable somewhere?
Ben posted them on his twitter a couple days ago.
Didn’t Jorbs have a ghostly flicker so that he could have untapped his commander and blocked to prevent dying??? 1:33:32
"...so it goes back to my hand?"
"Yeah! You can do it later!" 🤣
There are at least like 6 moments in this video that'd make perfect highlights!
Awesome to see Jorbs back and Ben made some fantastic brews. Great games.
the entire timmy the tooth conversation made me laugh harder than I have in a long time lmao
What section is the Timmy the tooth talk
The first games ending is very reminiscent of my first game with the Fallout Precons. Literally came down to 3\4 us left with just 1 life and untapping with 3-5 rads. And I won since I survived just because I was chugging bottles from the Nuka Cola Vending Machine.
Ben.. Ben buddy.. i need these now.. please i need these commander alts so bad..
Is it possible to get the proxies??
Ok, but an AFK where you all just play Crazy Eights or Go Fish or whatever sounds really entertaining. You should do that some time.
I’m still holding out for Bridge Night that they joked about in the Twilight Zone episode of Friday Nights where Ben slipped into a dimension where MtG doesn’t exist and the crew plays card games like Cribbage and Solitaire on stream.
This was awesome!
Great choice of magic commanders to match the video game abilities.
Ben, still best boi
Great idea to make decks and cards to match StS
Curiousity not being put on the Flamebreather was such a shame. ):
rasaad + flaming fists, double strike on attack = double trigger from atack with such as stryonic, double double with double strike
Awesome seeing Jorbs play a card game that isn't Slay the Spire. Oh wait...
P.S. Timmy the Tooth doesn't need teeth to chew or eat because his mouth is technically all tooth.
2:50:28 Why'd you sac your board, dude?
LETHAL, BEN. ABSOLUTELY LETHAL.
Serge, you were meant to FIGHT the eggs, not join them!
Wasnt jimmy lightning a peggle master?
Ben, you human you... You should not have told us Loop Hero is a mobile game now...
It would be cool to get a slay the spire mtg secret lair.
Weird comment / observation... why do I think that Jorbs is actually a member of the Upright Citizens Brigade troupe? No offense is meant by this. Every time he spoke I kept thinking I was hearing stuff from UCB... anyone else?
Of all the things Sege gets correct, it's bussing SYNOD?
JORBS??!!
I feel like PvP Slay the Spire is just Yu-Gi-Oh
joooooo jorbs !!!!! hype
Holy Fuck Timmy the Tooth!
Very fun
What an absolute garbo pick for the ironclad, he is 100% Mardu (red for strength/damage, white for lifegain/shield and black for lifeloss/drain). Boros or Rakdos would have been fine aswell, but not mono white bruh
Omg is it jorbs?
So much janking each other off this game
I have no teeth but I must chew
Hey, isn't Jorbs the robot judge with no humanity?
I dunno. I saw some mean things on twitter.
Twitter is incapable of nuance by design. The reason there is controversy about this is that Jorbs posted a two hour video essay analysing the decisions made in disqualifying a certain Magic player, telling the story both from the player‘s and the judges‘ (also WotC‘s) perspective. The essay treats both sides as equally human, so I really don‘t get any accusations of Jorbs „having no humanity“, unless of course the accusators didn‘t take the time to watch and understand a two hour video essay.
I get not wanting to take the time for that, but I also don‘t believe insulting someone over something like this if you don‘t even know what they‘re saying is warranted.
tl;dr Don‘t cancel Jorbs
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