This Jackson Kelly is AMAZING... Except this ONE thing.
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- The Jeff Loomis Kelly Pro Series KE is a BEAST of a guitar, and absolutely rips, but it does have one very easy to fix flaw. I'll show you in this video what it is and how to fix it if you have the same issue.
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0:00 What's happening here
0:25 Specs
1:36 Pickups Sound (Clean)
2:11 Demo
2:43 Seymour Duncan Blackouts Impressions
3:49 Playability
4:53 The one issue I have
5:58 How to fix it
10:00 Fixing that also helped this..
10:15 Is it worth $1600? - Розваги
Kelly KEX review here: ua-cam.com/video/WBLKe4_m9E8/v-deo.html
I think the reason they ship with cheap springs and not noiseless is that while they’re nice-to-haves, Jackson builds a LOT of guitars with Floyd roses, and adding $18 springs to all of them above $1200 probably adds up. It’s like when you want to upgrade the knobs on your kitchen cabinets, and they’re only $5/piece, but then realize you have 17 left/right cabinets, so you need 34 knobs. As the saying goes, many a mickle makes a muckle.
I see what you're saying, but look at it this way. The retail of the guitar is $1600, those springs probably cost them less than $9 a set. I don't think you are cutting into the bottom line too deeply to put a ready to play guitar into your customers hands. And if it is, rework the budget on the guitar.
I have noiseless Floyd Rose Springs that are coated and they don't work as they are advertised. I had to shove foam in the spring cavity to reduce it.
I mean my wifes solar got it right with some rubbertubes inside the springs from factory side. And it costs 900 Euros. Awesome guitar haha
No such thing as noiseless springs under tension. Had to foam all of mine.
@@idealmethod I honestly think the residual noise isn’t really that bad. Besides, the audience is going to be too deaf to hear it
My problem with Jackson is that with these pro series signature models is that they don't come with cases. Or a bag. It's ridiculous
Agreed. What would it cost the manufacturer to supply it with a decent gigbag? Almost nothing! Plenty of companies do it, they all should at this price point
Recently got a Brandon Ellis Pro Sig and yeah, no case :/ I don't like the molded Jackson cases for the Kelly the like "chainsaw" look. Ended up getting an Epiphone Exlporer case for my Jackson lol. Really wish they included something though.
I have a Made in Japan Kelly and it comes with the most over engineered hard shell case ever. The 90s Jacksons are just the best
Yeah, I've seen PRS SE's for less than 1k that come with decent gigbags and epiphones that include hard cases. And this guitar is like double the price of those
That is sleepy yes
The issue I have with Jackson in general is at this price point, they should have SS frets. Schecter has cheaper guitars with them. Also their fret work is an absolute dream
This model has stainless steel frets
In my experience, the noiseless springs will break the circuit for the ground and you’ll get a different and as annoying constant noise
I don't think there is a ground circuit with active pickups? I could be wrong.
@@TaylorDanley ah good call. I don’t have any actives except on my bass so I didn’t think of that. But in any case, if you’re running passives with the noiseless springs it’s basically like you’re ungrounded and it’s annoying as shit.
Just remove the coating on the noiseless springs on the pin end the goes into the tone block and on the ring end that connects to the spring claw and your grounding issues will be resolved.
For good measure on the springs, just scrape or grind the inside edge that makes contact to the parts to expose a lil metal
I have A Dimebag ML I plan to upgrade because you just made me smarter about my FR noise. Thanks.
So stoked on this one! I had a Kelly back in the day but sold it due to neck dive! Played great however.
great review and explanation of the spring issue.
Your obsession with ENGL makes me feel a little less crazy
Very cool looking guitar. I totally understand what you are saying about the springs. You'd think that would be standard. Maybe on the next version 🤘🤘🤘
Hey Barry! Yeah, a little surprising. Someone in these comments said they bought a JL soloist and it came with noiseless springs so 🤷♂️
Got one, it’s absolutely awesome! I replaced the neck strap button with a flush mount one, it sits perfectly now. I admit, I swapped out the FR block with a fat brass one and changed the springs as well. ;-)
That is one of the most beautiful guitars I have seen, a reverse Headstock and it would be perfect
Cool! Looking forward to reviewing Jackson Pro Series Signature Brandon Ellis Kelly - Green Crackle! As soon as there is an opportunity...
I’ve always loved the Gibson/Epi Explorer guitars but found them too large for me. Never saw a Jackson Kelly i liked until this one. You earned me as a new subscriber with your quality video and cool vibes, Brah.
I almost sold this guitar a few months ago.. Damn am I glad I came to my senses and kept it.
Jackson were killing it when they were releasing the Ash bodies a while ago no idea why they didn’t stick with it and release newer ones
This is the next guitar i would like to get. Switch the pick ups and a couple little tweaks if i could find a good deal on a mint used one. I love the shape and paint job of them. So sick.
Good ole' MIJ Jackson's, no spring noise whatsoever. Interesting how it's so rough around the edges with the Blackouts and the springs. Side note, that Ampero II is sounding pretty freaking mint!
Thanks man 🤘
This is actually made in Korea but I agree MIJ Jacksons are amazing
@@TYLERtheMAGGOT1 I was referring to my own MIJ Jackson's by comparison 👍
Glad it worked out for you!
@@TaylorDanley Video incoming soon on it 🤘
I own this guitar and its the nicest looking and best playing guitar ive ever played, the neck and fingerboard are unbelievablely comfortable and fast, the stainless steel frets are smooth butter, i owned blackouts in the past and loved them and these loomis sig blackouts are even better. 10/10 recommend this guitar
I always put shrink wrap on my tremolo springs. It works very well.
Have one and the pro series soloist, absolutely love them❤ kelly currently in drop C, soloist in Bb standard
Hey man, awesome vid. Question: do you find the Sureclaw sounds different then regular claws?
I loved this. Can you also do one for the Brandon Ellis sig Kelly?
Thanks! If the opportunity presents itself, absolutely.
Best trick for noisy springs without grounding issues due to coating is the orange fuel line tubing they sell at home improvement stores cut it to length and slide it inside the spring.
I get where you're coming from and I completely agree that the springs shouldnt be an issue for that amount of money but I dont expect jackson or any other big name guitar company to change this any time soon unless floyd rose sells them 1500 and ofr kits WITH noiseless springs. I think getting their attention to change is always a good thing ( wmi made jacksons and above deserve ss frets as well) but I wouldnt hold my breath. Sick guitar though Id love to try it out!
LOVE this guitar
I've never had a Floyd equipped guitar come with noiseless springs from the factory. Not the RRXMG I had, not the RR1, the E-II Horizon, or even my Original Series M-II. My issue with this guitar is I'd rather this be in 7 string and the soloist version be in 6 string. I think I'd own both if they just swapped the string count for both.
Clicked the video instantly when I see the black dahlia murder shirt, my favorite band! And my name is Taylor too.....sick!
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Yeah that guitar with Keith Merrow signature fishmans would be nice . Or even some medium output passive pickups.
I picked up the same shirt seeing TBDM this year!
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Sweet looking guitar
A couple of my guitars have the foam wedged in between the springs and backplate, you really notice that ringing when you’re playing with headphones on. I must order some of those dampeners when I order my next Solar lol
Highly recommend. They work well! Wish you could order them in bulk from Amazon or something!
Dude i feel like you are the american Ola Englund which is very sick!! Lol keep up with the sick content! I enjoy watching your uploads❤
thanks so much, that means a lot. I met him recently, lovely gentleman! 🥳
I've always wanted a Kelly, but most of the Pro models comes with gloss necks, which is something I don't enjoy playing at all. This Jeff model with the satin neck looks great, but again has other features I don't want or need, like the Floyd and signature pickups. And also the price is a bit high for this to be honest.
Neck through, satin neck, tune-o-matic bridge, EMG 81 and 85, thats all I need. Really hope more Kelly models and different options gets released one day.
Or just Jackson models that have more options period. Finding a Warrior with a reverse headstock that isn't custom or white/maple is impossible lol.
Not saying you're wrong but I'll take his signature blackouts over EMGs everyday. Also the price is pretty fair considering it has high end specs like luminlay side dots, a 1500 series Floyd rose (I prefer that over the original), his blackouts (one of the best active pickups on the market), and the looks with the binding and ash top. Plus the Korean Jacksons are very good when it comes to craftsmanship. I'll argue and say it's priced right and better than the new American series Jackson Sl3s while also being 1000 dollars cheaper.
Noise gates are absolutely needed for metal. 4 cable method even
He has a noise gate on when he demos the problem, it doesn't solve much of the iusse as you hear it during the palm mutes so when the noise gate obviously is open.
@@dirtyandnasty9011 he was using the noise gate in the amp, which only blocks amp noise. This was needed before it hit the amp
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@@ManuSDP But it would still not block the sound DURING the notes. That's what I meant.
@@dirtyandnasty9011 yeah thats spring noise. Gotta block that at the source
Love the guitar man! Is it just me or everytime i see a Jackson kelly i straight away think - Martin Friedman haha!
You can put some larger heat shrink tubing over the springs (and shrink it) or put some smaller heatshrink inside the spring coils.
I've tried this and had the same issue as foam with it catching in between the springs when the bar is depressed. This is only one experience, and totally anecdotal, but I just assume to pay the $18 and move on with my life.
Or foam, like he did. It does the trick
@@jamiefookes1579 sure, just sharing some alternatives.
a big exciting marriage will happen soon here apparently, lets wait how she looks in a white finish 🤣🎸
Get an emg wiring set install it. Plug in the pickups. Good to go. Sounds great and you don't need the bridge ground. Did that with guitars and did a bass yesterday with a bqc system and blackouts. Works like a champ.
Does the EMG wiring change the output level on the blackouts?
Noooo, if anything it's a little bit more. I think they sound better with the emg wiring. More aggressive, less noise. If you unhook the bridge ground and output on the seymours, you can unplug the pickups and pull it all out. It's easy to put right back in if you don't like the emg wiring but I think you will.
i always put some cut up sponge in the back with all my trem equipped guitars. kinda weak to fuck up such a simple thing, but also luckily a very easy fix.
I had the same issue with the pickups when I first got this guitar. You need to lower them a decent bit and it cleans up and stops feeding back. Those Loomis pickups are super hot!
I have the same issue and it's very annoying. I will try to decent them to. Thanks for the tip.
Same. I had to lower it so much, that it was flushed with cover. Otherwise it was clipping inside pickup circuit xD
@@Cycopace it took a bit of trial and error but I eventually found the spot that worked with my rig. If you play through a large amp definitely make sure you do it when it's cranked up to gigging/rehearsal volume.
@@wareloski2137 lol yeah, they are SUPER loud! 😂
That is a solution, but if you lower them too much you lose the bite you get from active pickups which is sort of the appeal for me. I messed with them so much in my Agile when I was using it regularly live, and ultimately I just landed on using something else lol.
After upgrading your guitar, does the fr stay in tune after using it? I just want to see if it worth to upgrade!
Great demo! I may have missed it if you mentioned it, but is there neck dive on this beauty?? I can fix the spring issue, but I won't compromise on neck dive
No, the body is heavy! I've owned this guitar for about a year and I've never experienced neck dive
I had to shove some foam to make it quiet, even with red Floyd coated springs. My bridge is a Schaller bridge, I think I might have to upgrade to a better spring claw.
Judging by how far the stock springs are stretched, they put really light gauge ones. Have been using non-noiseless heavy springs for ages just for the sake of stability and it's never been an issue for me.
Not a fan of the Kelly shape but I dig both the Warrior and Rhoads, I find the body shapes work well seated and standing; especially the Warrior that allows both traditional horizontal, and classical angled positions...Rhoads is a bit more challenging in horizontal.
Cheers!
I'm a big fan of all of them. Warrior has grown on me a lot as of late.
‘_______ might be better. If I’m being honest’. Love this reoccurring statement 😂
I know people want definitive answers a lot of the time, but all I can give is my personal experience so I try to make that clear. I want people to enjoy what inspires them, not necessarily agree with me if that makes sense.
@@TaylorDanley I think to some extent you’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t with regards to giving opinions on the internet. Most of us seem to agree so I guess keep giving them.
Wondering if that noise is some kind of grounding issue. I’ve had a blackout (Dino Cazares model) and I did not have problems like that. Just got a black winter in 1 of my guitars and has a really high output! Like I put my audio interface gain all the way down. But no noise issues like that. Idk…
base wood" that guitar is really beautiful. My question is how do I get a friend who is good enough to let ME borrow and play on tha?!?!
I love thd Kelly/explorer body style. Id love to hear it in E standard.
I always pronounce it as base wood. No idea if I am correct. But I must say. People typically look down on bass wood. Not saying its my favorite. Alder and Swamp Ash, are my favorite. BUT, I have a cheap Schecter made of bass wood. And it sounds just fine. And if Jeff is using it, it can't be THAT bad!
I have noticed G and B will really resonate with the springs if they are noisy.
It definitely played into it feeding back more as well. 🤷♂️
Pretty fitting wearing a Dalia murder shirt while reviewing a Kelly
Got this same guitar. The only thing I wasn’t a fan of was the pickups so I replaced them with the het set and love the thing!
Really!? I love the JL Sig blackouts
I just got this guitar a few weeks ago.
I kinda have that spring noise with my soloist. I use soft pencils grips and put them on all my springs. 150 pcs for like 15 bucks. Throw one behind your strings at the neck. Boom. .10 cent fretwrap.
I've been using black outs forever. Can honestly say, I have NEVER had that issue. Interesting. I don't get to much feed back from active pickups in general. Its my Seymour Duncan Nazgul passive, that I have that issue with.
I have the Jackson Jeff Loomis 7 string soloist which is the exact same guitar but soloist 7 string and it came with black noiseless springs so not sure what happened there. Havent had that same feedback problem with the Loomis blackouts but my Mick Thomson Blackouts squeal exactly like that. Even so I love both sets of those pickups. The Loomis fretboard has the nicest piece of ebony and the sharkfins are amazing as well. Actually all 3 of the Korean made Jacksons I have, have incredible ebony fretboards way nicer than what I have on the Indo series guitars.
BRO WHAT? Yeah, they really screwed the pooch on that one. This guitar was NOISY. I also attribute it to the fact it has blackouts. Like maybe if it had fishman or something, it wouldn't be AS noticeable.
@@TaylorDanley Ya I wonder if someone switched his springs or something lol or maybe I got an upgraded one I dunno. Mine was brand new in original packaging. I really like the Loomis bridge pickup at least my 7 string version. It rips and the highs are just a tad dialed back which I like with a v30. Id say the Mick Thomson Blackouts I like a bit better but both are really good same for fluence I dig em.
Welp I feel dumb I totally lied. Opened mine up and the springs are normal 😂. The cavity is all painted black so I guess that's what I remembered. Think I will add white futone noiseless springs though.
Hi.
The springs are making noise because the pickups are so hot. The pickups are picking up the springs becasue they are so hot.. You can fix the springs, but the better fix would be to get better pickups.. That's the big problem. That is just too much and I like hot pickups.. Dimarzio Super distortions, Super 3 is the fav of mine, but it wouldn't do that feedback stuff..
Also, I don't know if the 1500 is a good trem. I thought the guitars in that price range use the 1000 floyd made in Korea but with the same exact parts as the German made floyds..
Too bad it doesn't come with just a tune o matic bridge..
Great looking guitar thought and it's cool that it has a low action and such a good setup.. That means the frets are leveled good, and neck is straight, etc..
Thanks for the video man..
Tim
I got a sl7 and man between this and sn1007 ht just black swamp ash tops with the grain 🔥🔥🔥only gripe is no locking tuners.
Makes me even more glad that I refuse to get anything with a trem. Strong thru/hard tail only for me
Had this guitar for a while now love it but I need to change the pick ups even with noise dampening add ons still way to hot
I love the Kelly shape since the late 90‘s. These pickups should be thrown out because with all the noise they are so useless. I wish there could be an MJ soloist of the Kelly in high gloss black like the SL2, but with EMGs. That would be a perfect Jackson for me.
Maybe dumb question, but why on earth would you put foam behind the locking nut? The locking nut already blocks the behind the nut resonance from transferring to the strings.
idk if $1600 is worth it but everything else around that level is that price range these days. The Schecter KMs were like $999 at the time and at the time was already fully loaded imports, same with LTD sigs being $1200 or so. Now those same guitars are like $1600. Even USA guitars that were like $3200 or so for a PRS 10 Top and similar are approaching the $5k mark
what's the name of the song he plays at 4:30?
Yeah the floyd spring thing is an easy fix and really puzzling why they decided that they couldn't add the noiseless springs to this guitar. At $1500+, penny pinching like this is absurd but even more inexcusable is them thinking that the Floyd 1500 is ok. It's not. I had a 1500 in my Schecter SVSS exotic and it wasn't that great and the Floyd 1000 my Charvel had was also junk.
I put a Gotoh 1996T on both of those and it's so much better but at this price point, not having an OFR is a huge miss. It's not just Jackson though, ESP are putting the FR1000 on their $2000 E-II Japan guitars and high end Korean models too.
The Jackson Kelly is the best looking guitar Jackson has ever made…next to the King V of course
King V is a really cool guitar. I need to add that to the arsenal!
That's a weird way to spell the Jaxkson Rhoads. The king V is nice but something about the offset V on the rhoads just makes it look better than a king V.
Are the pickups regular black outs?
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Are there any guitars in that price range that have noiseless springs? I don’t think I’ve seen it.
I have had the same negative experience with SD Blackouts. Yes they sound good, but I also experienced way too much feedback.
Yeah.. I'd just turn the volume down on it until I was able to put some lower output pickups in it...
The big negative for every Kelly I've tried is the insane neck dive.
New sub yo
How do you feel about the volume knob being in the South Pole?
Something else that put me off paying full price for this guitar is that the black paint on the pickups rubs off after not long at all, leaving you with half black half chrome pickups.
If I'm replacing the pickups, the tremolo (i haven't had much luck with the 1000 series Floyds in the past) and need to buy a case that's pretty annoying. Probably a good £1000 on top of the £1300 it costs here in the UK.
Is there a cheaper version of this body finish?? The burnt embroidered wood look….but for not $1300
Companies always cut corners. Otherwise that guitar is awesome. I know it’s maybe not the biggest deal but I hate seeing expensive guitars not including OFR’s and having lower end trems. I haven’t used this bridge so maybe it’s really good.
Not sure how many guitars these days are shipped with noiseless springs. High end Ibanez and Music Man guitars costing almost $4K and don't come with noiseless springs.
Still waiting for the hardtail bridge version 🥹
It is out now.
"Why wouldn't you just have those in there" my thoughts exactly
turn the gain down on the AMP to control the feedback problem..... trust me, i have been using blackouts for years....
With Indonesian guitars costing $700, it's not shocking for a Korean guitar to be $1600, especially with name-brand pickups and an artist endorsement. How was the build quality and fretwork? That's what takes labor, which is the most expensive part of building a guitar.
Everything was excellent. Not USA custom shop quality, obviously, but very nice!
You're lucky to get an Indonesia guitars for that much. Jackson would sell their crackled Chinese rhoads for 1300. Most of the indo models I see would cost around 800-1200
I WISH THEY MADE MORE FINISHES WITHOUT A FLOYD ROSE!!!!!!
THAT ARE ALSO AFFORDABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello, I think Jackson has raised the prices a lot. The Brandon Ellis signature is 1250 euros and comes with a Floyd Rose 1000 and obviously with only one pickup, he thinks they could be sold a little cheaper. And they are not made in the USA or Japan....
You're also comparing Chinese made guitar like the Brandon Ellis signature to something that's made in Korea like Jeff Loomis. Then you have Jeff Loomis having 2 pickups (both being more expensive than his passive pickups), having luminlay side dots, and 1500 series being more expensive. Then his model has binding as well as it being sand blasted ash top which requires more work compared to Brandon's guitar. I blame fender for raising the prices on jackson, charvel, evh, etc.
Feel like the pickups are high gain but sound too thin for my liking.. I’d expect a beefy chug machine by just the looks
I never understood why brands don't put foam in there. Any decent player or guitar tech fixes this with some foam (the one in pickups boxes is great for that) so why ?
I don't know either. It's weird. I think the foam might snag in the springs, but there's got to be a cheap easy way to fix it in manufacturing. Also, not all springs are created equal. These were some of the noisiest I've ever heard, even compared to the cheaper licensed series FR tremolos. Part of that could be the pickups being so hot as well though.
Ha...damn. Looks sick though.
I was going to buy one of these from @Andertons yesterday. It was a thing of beauty but it has clearly been played in store by some mr acid sweat hands and the paint was all worn off the top and bottom of the bridge humbucker. How nasty do your hands have to be to destroy the finish on every guitar you touch? 😂 I’ll wait until they get more stock in.
That's the cool thing about flat finishes, but not cool if it's not your sweat that broke it in lol.
shouldn’t the nt version be cheaper than this one???
why wouldnt you just lower the gain in the amp?
I always played with not much gain (my vht is brutal even with not much gain so i prefer it like that) and my king V was making the same noise before i fixed it.
@@dirtyandnasty9011 it might be a ground issue. I would use electric contact cleaner to clean the switch it might help
I wish there was a 7 strings version
@OfficialTaylorDanley F&¨@# YOU SCAMMER!!!!!!
F-U Tone has your answers
Will you have the hard tail on the channel?
I already did! On launch day!
Those pickups look super high especially the neck. Try lowering them to recommended spec I bet the wheeeeeeee goes away.
$1600 for a guitar with nickle frets? What is up with guitar pricing nowadays?! 😵
Imports should be capped at like $1,200.
If you keep wearing black dahlia merch or bringing them up in videos, I might just have to subscribe!
One of my all time favorites!
@@TaylorDanleyokay I subbed, but I’m usually more of a dom
I think 1000 series Floyds, are pretty damn close to original in quality. If original is a 10, I give them a solid 8 or 9. While licensed, or special or whatever. Is like a 3 or 4.