Oil Eggshell Paint - how should you apply it
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Do you possess knowledge about the correct application method for Oil Eggshell or Oil Satin wood finishes?
It's crucial to understand that these finishes are self-undercoating, but this doesn't imply that a single coat suffices, nor does it need for an undercoat (read below).
I strongly advise you to watch the entire video, as it will provide a comprehensive explanation. I will clarify any remaining doubts after the video.
A self-undercoating finish, such as Oil Eggshell or Oil Satin wood finishes, is designed to provide both the topcoat and undercoat functions within a single application. This means that when you apply such a finish to wood or other surfaces, it is formulated to adhere well to the substrate, seal it, and provide a suitable surface for the final paint or finish layer.
In summary, self-undercoating finishes offer convenience and efficiency in the painting process by combining the functions of both an undercoat and a topcoat. However, proper surface preparation and following the manufacturer's guidelines are essential for achieving the best results.
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Great explanation phil 👍 top advise
Right. I think I've got it. Anyway, I've got a previously oil glossed, slightly damaged door, that needed some filling. After repair I primed the bare wood bits, sanded it all over with 120 to give a key, gave it a coat of oil undercoat (didn't need to do that. Should have used two coats of eggshell instead), and one coat of Wickes eggshell. That's been left a week while I do other stuff, so what it needs now is another coat of eggshell. Which it's getting. Actually, it'll be getting two, because I don't like the colour (pure, brilliant white looks grey against everything else, so I got Johnstones to make me up something a bit warmer) and because I've had to give it a light sand to remove a drip, and the sanding exposed some undercoat.
How I managed to get a drip when I took the thing off and brushed it flat on my bench is a mystery, though I suspect sheer, innate talent. I'm not taking it off again. Got some posh 6mm Wooster Red rollers. I'll see how I get on with them, thought it'll probably need laying off. In future, if I'm painting eggshell over bare primed wood I'm going to use water based. Used it before, and it came up well, but used oil this time because it was going over oil, and because I can get a better finish with oil gloss instead of water and thought eggshell might work the same.
I’ve been paper & painting since 1991. In the Maritimes in Canada. I had the fortune of getting to apprentice under a decorator. YES, it’s decorator. From Blackpool, UK. We never had a college course for painters here in this part of Canada. He showed me all the old school ways of painting and wallpapering.
Now he taught me to “cut” my oil eggshell/satin 50% with thinner for 1st coat on raw wood and then about 20% for finish coat. If it was a metal door just thin 15-20% with thinner.
Many of the painters around here said I was given poor advice, but there’s still doors and woodwork I painted this way back in the late 90’s that are still on there. Some faded & yellowed, but no chipping, peeling, or failure in any other way. Not even alligatoring.
Wonder if the Scuff-X will last like this? I know the Aura has held up very well. I did my own test and Aura exterior flat with NO PRIMER over new cedar shakes lasted 8 years before it needed a good scrape scuff and repaint. 8 Years! In this maritime climate.
Cheers,
Think I understand you Phil, a coat of water based undercoat followed by two coats of oil based eggshell …. Thanks 👍
What would that be going over?
Taught to lay it off with an arcing mention in college, the bloke who taught us called it 'crows nesting', funny how you remember some things 45 years on...🤔
Did you stipple it too?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I remember doing that with it on a flush door just for training, but its a two man job on a wall.
@@Lloyd1885 yep
Done miles of corridors and classrooms with oil eggshell back in the day! Never again 😂
Same, remember we did St Thomas's in London, the worst was a 2 part paint imported & it was at kings cross night work doing the car park floors, no respirators nothing, it was so strong you did 5 mins then stopped & somebody else took over, it went boiling hot within minutes & was steaming as we was throwing in designated skips, we both looked at eachother & said we're breathing this shit in, the tin had skull & cross bones hazardous on the tin
True story
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 100% the firm i worked for i suppose just wanted the work, around the 90,s think that's when the big kings cross st Pancras renovation was ? Loads of painting firms had gone under think that one job kept the firm Sharrocks based in Croydon afloat as it was around 5 yrs work, plus everything got battered by trades so loads of finishing snags as last one's out, the stuff was around £100 a drum back then lot of money, we didn't know anything about the product it reacted like tar & this was for the carpark areas so had to be tough wearing, you only had around 15 mins before it went rock hard, madness but im still here 👍
crown trade oil eggshell is excellent for walls and ceilings find its the toughest oil eggshell around and got the lowest sheen and doesn't yellow fast stay white for years still white after 6 years with no uv and is lot more durable than durable emulsions and acrylic eggshells. I find than oil gloss doesn't really need a undercoat really 2 glosses on a oil primer covers but only really gloss on exteriors its a bit in your face on interiors and yellows faster on interiors crown oil eggshell and satin still very durable and more so than others and both stay white covers better than any water based and lot lot more durable especially towards grease and chemicals etc went back to a job I did 6 years ago the customer did it himself before who used to be a builder did it in bedec barn paint around 6 years had gone since he did it and wasn't doing very well lot of flaking stripped it all re did with 1 oil primer 2 coats of standard crown full gloss and is still good
When are you going to get the UK franchise for CIN paint? 😎
Great video! Quick question For painting over bare MDF would you use mdf primer, maybe two or three coats rubbed down in between each and then two coats of the eggshell? or am I going wrong with the primer? Cheers!
Yes. Prime the MDF first, use an acrylic primer/UC will be fine.
One or two coats, depending how much coverage/opacity it's giving.
Another good video Phil, I have a question which I posted recently on Facebook, what’s your go to paint for gloss for doors and skirting, I have a customer in a new build property the doors are starting to yellow particularly in areas with no natural light, builders used Dulux trade high gloss so I can rule that out, she’s insisting she wants gloss, my normal go to is Aquaguard satin but I don’t think she’s willing to compromise on the Sheen level
Give her Jonos Brush Killer Gloss if water based.
Or stick with oil gloss... Knowing it'll yellow again.
Or move her onto ScuffX ;)
Any problem with applying X3 coats of oil eggshell Phil ? I seem to have to use X3 to cover properly ?
If you have a vast change of colour, 3 may be needed. If you know it's a change in colour you could do one coat of acrylic Primer/UC, then two top coats of oil Eggshell.. or satin.
If you have time, you could use Oil UC as the first coat of the three.
Weigh it up.
Quick question Phil 🤔 I've got a job coming up. It's a garage cladded in siberian larch Been erected 6 month. And wants it protecting to slow the weathering effect. Have u any experience on this wood?? What would u recommend using on it?? Just a bit worried its to late with the weather now raining all time 😢 do think it's best leaving till the weather picks up a bit and get a dry period 😅 thanks for the video ❤
Leave it till the spring now.. let it weather over winter and dry out for spring ready for coating up.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator OK thanks Phil. Not sure they want to wait though. See what they say 👍
Think your baffling some people by saying it’s self undercoating
It’ basically needs two full coats for Redec work of a similar colour scheme and not a dramatic colour change
If it’s not two coated it always drys flashy , satin or eggshell
Time for a clear out , get rid of those old tins
10/15 years old what’s that all about
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We all know people can't read the back of cans and instructions on wallpapering labels lol
Self Undercoating... It even says it on the front of Dulux Trade paint cans...
www.duluxdecoratorcentre.co.uk/product/paint/interior-emulsion/eggshell/dulux-trade-eggshell
We both know it’s self undercoating but the fact that you mention undercoat they think your introducing another product into the spec
@@davidsmalley8783 oh my life lol
If we are at the point where people are still getting this wrong despite the instructions on the tin, the staff in various paint stores, the UA-cam videos, decorating forums, screwfix reviews, and of course the good old ‘Google’, then folk should not be allowed near a paintbrush.
Is it possible to paint bathroom ceiling cladding? the plastic on mine is delaminating. I was thinking of painting neat sbr to give it a smooth surface and paint over the sbr, is that possible? Thanks for your great vids
What's on your ceiling now?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator pvc cladding is on the ceiling right now. It's gone all funny, the plastic is literally coming off in particles.
@@harpo187bling it sounds like it would be better to replace it
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator yes Roger that. Just thought it would be worth a try to salvage. Thanks for replying.
I live in an live in an apartment that is about 15 years old where the walls have been only painted twice with magnolia matt on drywall.I have just brought Dulux trade magnolia eggshell to paint my kitchen,bathroom & living room.The dry wall has been washed down & the walls have no damage.Do i need to buy a white primer to paint these walls before i use this magnolia eggshell.I read so many articles & they say different things & if i do need white primer is it latex white primer i need,thanks.
are you in America?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator no i am in the uk,anyway i am not sure if i have drywall or plaster.I want to know if i buy Dulux Walls White Primer & undercoat, 10L will i be able to paint dulux trade eggshell over the top of this.Its so confusing for me to work out because there's so many different products,thanks
@@user-up3hf9yk3v Americans usetye word drywall, as it's what we call plaster board. They tape and joint it and don't seem to skim over with plaster.
What colour is the wall?
Eggshell is really a woodwork paint, some use it on walls but it can be tricky to apply to get even.
An emulsion is easier to apply.. there's various finishes for it.
Mat, silks, soft sheen etc.
Durable Matt is a good one to go for.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator the walls have only been painted magnolia matt,but all my research said use eggshell so that's what i brought,the Dulux Trade Eggshell Magnolia & all the walls have no damage,i have also washed all the walls down,thanks.
@@user-up3hf9yk3v you've not bought oil eggshell though have you?
If it’s a massive colour change , it’s got to have an oil undercoat before the two topcoats of eggshell ….. no way in this world has it got the covering power alone !!
Like any paint then.
An extra coat is needed.
But it will depend on what colour you're using and going over... You may get two coats of black eggshell covering most colours.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Phil.,you wouldn’t try to… let’s say , put a cream eggshell over a maroon colour and even expect it to cover with 3 coats eggshell … make it clear to all them that don’t know…. There’s times when you do need an undercoat …. But to give an example of black eggshell … that’s downright obvious. . We all know you don’t like oil paint , but I suggest you give out the right information before slagging people for not knowing the correct process
@@bigdude8470 well if someone thinks a light colour will cover a dark colour for two coats. They be risking it
The information is right that eggshell is self Undercoating.
But there are people thinking you put one oil Eggshell over an oil Undercoat, as they don't realise what self Undercoating is
It's not slagging off anyone. More a case of making it clear you put two coats on, of the oil eggshell.
Clearly the obvious isn't understood with some, about what you do when you have vast colour changes. Whether that's with emulsion paints or finish woodwork paints.
Common sense also does come into the equation.
Maybe that could be another video.
Oil based eggshell....the paint of gods 😁
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Well what I got from the video is that Oil Eggshell needs a minimum of two coats...In certain circumstances, it may need a coat of traditional undercoat first but it would still then need two coats of oil eggshell afterwards...
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Hi phill I’ve painted al the radiators in my house with two coats of oil eggshell (crown mixed to farrow and ball railings) but it’s chipping like crazy how can I fix this
What's chipped them?
Look at them and don't touch them. LoL
Fir now, touch the chips in.. use your finger and blob a bit of paint on each chip.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I think it chips because I never primed them I just done two coats of eggshells
@@ryanjones7233 what was on them before you painted it?
When they chip, what chips off?
Are they powder coated ?
Just sand down to give a key and two coats of oil eggshell is all that's needed.
Tenner says you mention a crows nest 🪺😁
What's the prize?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecoratorerm…. a tenner 😂
Ha ha ha
One-one and one mix anyone? Those who know, know. I've not done it for years but then again I've not house bashed for years 😁😂