In 2006 we bought a new L322 and a new Landcruiser 100 series. Both for regular towing and both used regularly daily off road. All servicing carried out by main dealers with no corners cut. Fast forward eighteen years and that Landcruiser is not only still with us but remains super reliable. Yes the tailgate had to be replaced and the drivers seat has sagged but beyond general servicing and over 300k it remains bulletproof. The L322 remained an unreliable money pit and was changed after three years to a 200 Landcruiser and remains with us today.
@@philipnorth9606 thanks for taking the time to share your experience. Such a shame Range Rover couldn’t match the Toyota reliability. No great surprise. The evidence of Toyota being a superior product is reflected in the current value between the L322 and Landcruiser.
Don't think you've come off too badly. Jobs are done. My rear sills were found to be ok two weeks ago . . . 2011 car, so let's hope yours are the same 👍
Interesting, Rovertune recommended just replaced the seals on mine, rather than the whole unit. Will keep an eye on it 👍 wasn't leaking in the first place, did as preventative maintenance.
Thanks for sharing, great video. Into my 4th year of ownership now. Bought mine in 2021 (2 owners, full history) just before they dropped massively in price, keep a running excel which is scary. Now at 3/4 of price of vehicle in maintenance. Some bits i do myself, other items I get specialist to do. Oil change every 5k, and Lanoguard once a year. Given current values, and investment, not worth getting rid of!! One annoyance, is I do have a squeak in the dashboard, not all the time, depends on road surface. thought it was blower motor, but doesnt squeak it when blower is off, so unsure. Before i rip out dash, really need to pinpoint if I can. As you say always something so do with a L322 😊👍 happy motoring
@@tristanboler2782 I’m glad you found the video interesting. The price drops have been pretty alarming haven’t they! ULEZ was the first reason I believe as everyone in London sold up. I suspect these will disappear from everyday use very soon. I rarely see one on the road these days. You’ll know if the nose is coming from the blower motor..
Fair play on being honest. Had mine 2 years now and spent about 3k. I'm about to spend 1k more as I would like my alloys refurbished and a little rust sorting out on the rear arches. But would definitely agree, if you are handy with tools it takes a big sting out of ownership.
@@Woodyrvf750 regardless, you love having the car I’m guessing and you can put a price on driving and owning a car you love. Oh and I’d highly advise getting a set off A/T tyres. Ever so slightly louder but my god do they make a difference!
Have had my 4.4 v8 for nearly a year 2011 147k miles and touch wood, other than a service and a couple of not motor running related costs I.e seatbelt replacement and boot latch, there has been no other issues. About time though as my previous two cars have cost me a fortune in maintenance 😂…
Great insight into L322 Ownership. Insurance, VED & Diag tool, tyres, wipers, servicing etc are significant ownership running & servicing costs to be expected with this vehicle. The other £5k or so in repairs is quite scary, hopefully you are now over the hump and all the major issues resolved and are now good for many more miles 🤞
@@PeterMenzies-t4r I really hope so. I owned a lovely Rolls Royce Spirit II for a year or so and only cost me a £300 service. The L322 is in a different league. Nicer to drive though.
Had mine since September 2020, did a big service; all fluids and filters, new tyres and brakes all round when I bought it, cost 4k EUR for the service. Since then I had a faulty starter motor, which I stripped, cleaned and re-fitted (zero cost). Put a new battery on it. Oil & filter change once a year. I only do about 4k KM's a year, so it's low mileage, but it's been flawless. It had the oil cooler done under warranty as it was leaking when I got it. I also had a suspension knock sorted, which was I think the lower control arm as you mentioned. These are all common issues for a 100k mile L322 of this age, so nothing too scary - it sounds like you unfortunately did the catch-up maintenance, but at least you know it's done, you'll have some trouble free motoring luxury now I'm sure :) (PS: Do a gearbox flush if it's not been done, ZF recommend them done at 80k miles, but Land Rover ignore it as they say it's sealed for life)
@@Woodyrvf750 I had it done at a ZF specialist as it’s my first car with a automatic and I didn’t have a good workshop space at the time - I believe they flush it with a machine, so I’m not sure if it’s an easy DIY tbh :/
@@fredrikedebo4179 more tea breaks the better. I’ve been giving the offending ball join a quick squirt of Plus Gas in preparation for my impact torx set arriving next week.
@@Woodyrvf750 My torx came out with not to much struggle, it was the ball joint itself that was sized solid in the hole, so make sure to spray in there as well (from the top). Oh and do look at some videos as well, some have had good luck with air hammers. I didn't have one... finely took disc and disc shield off so i could reach al around with a chissel. Actually a job that could be worth sourcing out.....
I bought mine when it was 5 years old in 2017. It was about the eighth car I had looked at and had the best service history/mileage/condition/spec combination despite having the least attractive interior (chocolate brown seats and upholstery with cream dash, doors and headliner) but it has grown on me. I had the front knock and the main dealer replaced all suspension arms and bushings and after that the knock persisted until they finally replaced the ball joint. With mine the knock occurred when applying near-full lock at very slow speeds. Haven't worked out the cost of mine yet as I've been putting it off until such time as I decide to sell it. Then I will compare the cost with that of my previous 3.6 which also had its fair share of repairs.
Interesting. Apparently the old ball joint can be difficult to extract. My new one is sitting on my desk wondering when it’s going to be fitted. Probably a couple of weeks when my new impact torx set arrives.
🤣Auxiliary belt changed? Wait till the weather gets colder. If it squeals like a baby pig on start up that could be your next maintenance investment before it snaps and damages something more expensive..
Wow, as someone who has run cheap old cars for the last 20 years those costs are scary. I have owned my current 2011 Renault Megane for nearly two years and in that time I have replaced one CV boot. It was only an advisory on the MOT but I replaced it anyway before it got any worse. Surely it would be cheaper to just lease something brand new than run this as a daily?
@@Peterpanic-c3h the costs are scary. Which is why the values have plummeted and I expect they will be a very rare sight on the UK roads soon. Shame is another 28 years before they become road tax exempt. At current rates that £19,600 in road tax alone. Maybe it’s time to look into EV’s?? 🙁
Think youve just been a bit unlucky really, hopefully yr2 wont see costs like that hit you and that brings down the cost per mile ownership. I really want an l322 4.4 tdv8 westminster, but with a t5 shuttle, and a bmw convertible, one, if not both, will have to go first.
@@paulheyes653 if there was anything at all that annoyed me about this car when it’s working well I wouldn’t have spent the money I have. Unfortunately it’s just a lovely experience. I just bought this one without doing enough research. Hopefully my shared experience will help others. I really hope year 2 would be as ruinous for the bank account.
At least these pirelli scorpion zero all season PNCS tyres are predictable. As long as you see the standing water you know the car will lift. Is it only me that has this problem. I never managed to get any of my Citroen 2CVs to aquaplane. But they did only have 125mm section tyres..
@@Woodyrvf750 I don't think only you had this experience, but it depends on multiple factors obviously. I had my 7 series do the same trick with Pirelli P Zero tyres which made me re-evaluate the trust in the tyres. Anyway, hope to see more updates on your journey !
@@Woodyrvf750 surprised at that , running Goodyear Duratrac on ours, but due to be replaced soon. Looking at Coopers next . Feel your pain and in the wallet for them 😲
@@tuningemporium the Duratrac looks like it would pull you out of the deepest whole you may be unlucky enough to find yourself in. Unless it’s an L322 related financial whole, you’re on your own there.. 🫵
@@tuningemporium good to know. The lack of road noise it the only good thing about the PNCS tyres I have. I’m very keen to move to a tyre that’s equally quiet, but one that actually works in the wet.
Absolutely no need to have recorded this whilst driving & constantly looking down at his notes, does this not amount to “driving without due care & attention”. Far too many similar irresponsible videos now getting posted on UA-cam filmed while driving, so unless it’s a brief road test section of a car review, where of course it’s relevant & justified, just concentrate on your driving!
@@sthillarys52 yes, fair point. In hindsight I could have done a better job just walking around the car and spending more time splicing in more information about the work that I’d done.
You don't buy these for cheap motoring but at least you can buy them very cheaply now. Please don't do another video while driving and talking to the camera and looking at bits of paper - it just needs a moment of eyes off the road at he wrong moment and other people are instantly at risk. Even this video alone could be used by the police evidence for driving without due care and attention so I'd be thinking about deleting it.
It really does. I also run a 2001 VW Lupo 3L 1.2 TDI. I like to think the costs of running that even out the RR ownership costs. Let’s see what the next 12 months brings.
In 2006 we bought a new L322 and a new Landcruiser 100 series.
Both for regular towing and both used regularly daily off road.
All servicing carried out by main dealers with no corners cut.
Fast forward eighteen years and that Landcruiser is not only still with us but remains super reliable. Yes the tailgate had to be replaced and the drivers seat has sagged but beyond general servicing and over 300k it remains bulletproof.
The L322 remained an unreliable money pit and was changed after three years to a 200 Landcruiser and remains with us today.
@@philipnorth9606 thanks for taking the time to share your experience. Such a shame Range Rover couldn’t match the Toyota reliability. No great surprise.
The evidence of Toyota being a superior product is reflected in the current value between the L322 and Landcruiser.
Don't think you've come off too badly. Jobs are done. My rear sills were found to be ok two weeks ago . . . 2011 car, so let's hope yours are the same 👍
@@kevinabalo yes, hopefully broken the back of the work this year.
Oil coolers can warp so changing the whole cooler and the seals is the best option. You did the right thing 😊
@@robholland1937 the most expensive option is normally the right way to go unless you want the “sell it quick” option. 👍
Interesting, Rovertune recommended just replaced the seals on mine, rather than the whole unit. Will keep an eye on it 👍 wasn't leaking in the first place, did as preventative maintenance.
@@tristanboler2782 Seen too many folks regret doing just seals over on the Full Fat forum. Best place for L322 support and advice.
Land Rovers seem to be the stuff nightmares are made of . Never ever will I fall for anything from Jaguar or Land Rover.
@@rodneyemmerich8828 these things are annoyingly nice to drive. L322 ownership is a very unique experience!
Thanks for sharing, great video. Into my 4th year of ownership now. Bought mine in 2021 (2 owners, full history) just before they dropped massively in price, keep a running excel which is scary. Now at 3/4 of price of vehicle in maintenance.
Some bits i do myself, other items I get specialist to do. Oil change every 5k, and Lanoguard once a year. Given current values, and investment, not worth getting rid of!!
One annoyance, is I do have a squeak in the dashboard, not all the time, depends on road surface. thought it was blower motor, but doesnt squeak it when blower is off, so unsure. Before i rip out dash, really need to pinpoint if I can. As you say always something so do with a L322 😊👍 happy motoring
@@tristanboler2782 I’m glad you found the video interesting. The price drops have been pretty alarming haven’t they! ULEZ was the first reason I believe as everyone in London sold up. I suspect these will disappear from everyday use very soon. I rarely see one on the road these days.
You’ll know if the nose is coming from the blower motor..
Fair play on being honest. Had mine 2 years now and spent about 3k. I'm about to spend 1k more as I would like my alloys refurbished and a little rust sorting out on the rear arches. But would definitely agree, if you are handy with tools it takes a big sting out of ownership.
@@andypandy-x5n about £3k?? 😉
@@Woodyrvf750 OK OK, 3k ish..... 🤣
@@andypandy-x5n now doesn’t that feel better..
Yes, so long as the wife doesn't see the comments 🙄
@@andypandy-x5n good luck!
On a positive note, you should be good for a couple of years now 🤞
@@pistonslapuk yes, exactly. I’ll let you know in 12 months time!
@@Woodyrvf750 regardless, you love having the car I’m guessing and you can put a price on driving and owning a car you love. Oh and I’d highly advise getting a set off A/T tyres. Ever so slightly louder but my god do they make a difference!
@@pistonslapuk another recommendation for the AT tyres! Thanks.
Have had my 4.4 v8 for nearly a year 2011 147k miles and touch wood, other than a service and a couple of not motor running related costs I.e seatbelt replacement and boot latch, there has been no other issues. About time though as my previous two cars have cost me a fortune in maintenance 😂…
@@allthatwanderarelost18 you lucky lucky b**tard. 🍀
Great insight into L322 Ownership.
Insurance, VED & Diag tool, tyres, wipers, servicing etc are significant ownership running & servicing costs to be expected with this vehicle.
The other £5k or so in repairs is quite scary, hopefully you are now over the hump and all the major issues resolved and are now good for many more miles 🤞
@@PeterMenzies-t4r I really hope so. I owned a lovely Rolls Royce Spirit II for a year or so and only cost me a £300 service. The L322 is in a different league. Nicer to drive though.
Had mine since September 2020, did a big service; all fluids and filters, new tyres and brakes all round when I bought it, cost 4k EUR for the service. Since then I had a faulty starter motor, which I stripped, cleaned and re-fitted (zero cost). Put a new battery on it. Oil & filter change once a year. I only do about 4k KM's a year, so it's low mileage, but it's been flawless.
It had the oil cooler done under warranty as it was leaking when I got it. I also had a suspension knock sorted, which was I think the lower control arm as you mentioned.
These are all common issues for a 100k mile L322 of this age, so nothing too scary - it sounds like you unfortunately did the catch-up maintenance, but at least you know it's done, you'll have some trouble free motoring luxury now I'm sure :)
(PS: Do a gearbox flush if it's not been done, ZF recommend them done at 80k miles, but Land Rover ignore it as they say it's sealed for life)
@@JohnBaxendale thanks. Gearbox flush does need doing. DIY or specialist?
@@Woodyrvf750 I had it done at a ZF specialist as it’s my first car with a automatic and I didn’t have a good workshop space at the time - I believe they flush it with a machine, so I’m not sure if it’s an easy DIY tbh :/
@@JohnBaxendale I’ll do some research. Thanks
Look up bodsy megaflush, hes mobile zf specialist etc....Sam's motor & machine had bodsy flush his l322 in 1 of his videos 🙂
Bodsy booked for mid-October to change all trans fluids.
They are quite pricy to run! Good luck with the front baljoint, they can be a real pig... Be shure to have plenty of time, and take many tea brakes!
@@fredrikedebo4179 more tea breaks the better. I’ve been giving the offending ball join a quick squirt of Plus Gas in preparation for my impact torx set arriving next week.
@@Woodyrvf750 My torx came out with not to much struggle, it was the ball joint itself that was sized solid in the hole, so make sure to spray in there as well (from the top). Oh and do look at some videos as well, some have had good luck with air hammers. I didn't have one... finely took disc and disc shield off so i could reach al around with a chissel. Actually a job that could be worth sourcing out.....
Videos on this topic seem to follow the same theme. Hit it, and hit it hard.
I bought mine when it was 5 years old in 2017. It was about the eighth car I had looked at and had the best service history/mileage/condition/spec combination despite having the least attractive interior (chocolate brown seats and upholstery with cream dash, doors and headliner) but it has grown on me. I had the front knock and the main dealer replaced all suspension arms and bushings and after that the knock persisted until they finally replaced the ball joint. With mine the knock occurred when applying near-full lock at very slow speeds. Haven't worked out the cost of mine yet as I've been putting it off until such time as I decide to sell it. Then I will compare the cost with that of my previous 3.6 which also had its fair share of repairs.
Interesting. Apparently the old ball joint can be difficult to extract. My new one is sitting on my desk wondering when it’s going to be fitted. Probably a couple of weeks when my new impact torx set arrives.
Tyres. Use General Grabber AT3. Superb all rounder.
@@robholland1937 thanks for the recommendation Rob.
I run Grabber AT3 on mine and upped the size to 255/55/20, absolute game changer to drive
Snap, very happy with my GG AT3s👍
Had mine 2 weeks and spent £2000 so far on an oil cooler. So, off to a good start!😂
🤣Auxiliary belt changed? Wait till the weather gets colder. If it squeals like a baby pig on start up that could be your next maintenance investment before it snaps and damages something more expensive..
Wow, as someone who has run cheap old cars for the last 20 years those costs are scary. I have owned my current 2011 Renault Megane for nearly two years and in that time I have replaced one CV boot. It was only an advisory on the MOT but I replaced it anyway before it got any worse. Surely it would be cheaper to just lease something brand new than run this as a daily?
@@Peterpanic-c3h the costs are scary. Which is why the values have plummeted and I expect they will be a very rare sight on the UK roads soon. Shame is another 28 years before they become road tax exempt. At current rates that £19,600 in road tax alone. Maybe it’s time to look into EV’s?? 🙁
Enjoyed the journey, great man maths. 😂😂
@@Ediconic1 man maths? I don’t know what you’re talking about..🥇💰
Think youve just been a bit unlucky really, hopefully yr2 wont see costs like that hit you and that brings down the cost per mile ownership.
I really want an l322 4.4 tdv8 westminster, but with a t5 shuttle, and a bmw convertible, one, if not both, will have to go first.
@@paulheyes653 if there was anything at all that annoyed me about this car when it’s working well I wouldn’t have spent the money I have. Unfortunately it’s just a lovely experience.
I just bought this one without doing enough research. Hopefully my shared experience will help others.
I really hope year 2 would be as ruinous for the bank account.
If someone invents tyres that completely takes out Aquaplaning of the equation, they would become multi-billionaires overnight.
At least these pirelli scorpion zero all season PNCS tyres are predictable. As long as you see the standing water you know the car will lift. Is it only me that has this problem.
I never managed to get any of my Citroen 2CVs to aquaplane. But they did only have 125mm section tyres..
@@Woodyrvf750 I don't think only you had this experience, but it depends on multiple factors obviously. I had my 7 series do the same trick with Pirelli P Zero tyres which made me re-evaluate the trust in the tyres. Anyway, hope to see more updates on your journey !
@@MrLangobard thank-you. I’m glad you found the video interesting.
All of these items you replaced are due to be changed at around 100,000 miles.
@@cherrypicker8897 interesting. I guess that explains why so many L322s are for sales at the 100k mile mark.
Should have bought a Dacia. In fact one for every day of the week.
I like the ethos of the Dacia. Do you have one? Which? What’s it like to drive?
Shit boxes don't waste time and money 😂
@@hamishlovesit4731 you’re probably right. But I do enjoy trying to fix things. It would be nice if it wasn’t quite as expensive though.
Surprised at tyres , were they at correct pressures ?? 🤔
@@tuningemporium definitely correct. 33psi front, 36psi rear.
@@Woodyrvf750 surprised at that , running Goodyear Duratrac on ours, but due to be replaced soon. Looking at Coopers next . Feel your pain and in the wallet for them 😲
@@tuningemporium the Duratrac looks like it would pull you out of the deepest whole you may be unlucky enough to find yourself in. Unless it’s an L322 related financial whole, you’re on your own there.. 🫵
@@Woodyrvf750 yea they are a bit noisy now they’re worn 🤣
@@tuningemporium good to know. The lack of road noise it the only good thing about the PNCS tyres I have. I’m very keen to move to a tyre that’s equally quiet, but one that actually works in the wet.
Focus on your driving, stop looking at camera, definitely stop looking at the piece of paper.
Fair point.
Stop getting your nickers in a twist
Absolutely no need to have recorded this whilst driving & constantly looking down at his notes, does this not amount to “driving without due care & attention”. Far too many similar irresponsible videos now getting posted on UA-cam filmed while driving, so unless it’s a brief road test section of a car review, where of course it’s relevant & justified, just concentrate on your driving!
@@sthillarys52 yes, fair point. In hindsight I could have done a better job just walking around the car and spending more time splicing in more information about the work that I’d done.
Be careful mate, this will get you done in court
You don't buy these for cheap motoring but at least you can buy them very cheaply now. Please don't do another video while driving and talking to the camera and looking at bits of paper - it just needs a moment of eyes off the road at he wrong moment and other people are instantly at risk. Even this video alone could be used by the police evidence for driving without due care and attention so I'd be thinking about deleting it.
@@johngriffin641 thanks. Appreciate your points about driving care.
Its called a ROVER as it rovers into your wallet and eats up all the money 😅😅
It really does. I also run a 2001 VW Lupo 3L 1.2 TDI. I like to think the costs of running that even out the RR ownership costs. Let’s see what the next 12 months brings.
More fool you..get rid, and buy a honda..I just swapped my honda 2010 honda jazz last week..last year running cost was a service/MOT, and petrol.
What did you swap it for? Another Jazz? I think my son has those on his list of possible first cars.
@@Woodyrvf750 swapped it for honda ehrv..it's beautiful, feels like luxury to drive
@@Woodyrvf750 swapped it for honda ehrv.. luxury to drive, and 5 years free servicing and warranty, so no worries with big bills .
@@waynekerrr9027 great to have the peace of mind of a new car. Enjoy.
But then you’d have to live owning a Honda and be depressed forever