DeWalt FINALLY Releases a Cordless Ratchet to Compete with Milwaukee
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2022
- The time has come, after years of waiting DeWalt has finally release a competitor to the Milwaukee line of cordless ratchets. This video tries and fails to take a look at DeWalt's newest cordless power tool. The 20 Volt Max 3/8 Ratchet.
If you like this bad boy they are selling them in almost every major box store (aka. Lowes and Home Depot). - Навчання та стиль
Glad to see that I'm not the only one that wants to buy Dewalt tools that I don't need but want to have
8:12 “I was able to loosen it with this [makes ratcheting motion] a little bit, use this as a wrench and then it came right off.” Well, yeah. That’s how an electric ratchet is supposed to work. You are supposed to break it free same as a traditional ratchet and it is supposed to finish running the nut/bolt. That’s it. You keep calling it an “impact ratchet” and it seems you expect it to work like an impact wrench. The tool you are looking for is called a compact right-angle impact wrench. You will find the same companies that make them also make power ratchets… because they are completely different tools. Your expectations are out of line with the tool. It is not supposed to break nuts and bolts free and is only intended to save yourself the monotony of ratcheting back and forth after breaking it free manually.
"That’s how an electric ratchet is supposed to work"
Okay. So what is this tool?
Right angle? Yes.
Impact? Yes.
Ratchet? Yes.
You seem to be the only one thinking this isn't meant to break nuts and bolts free.
What am I missing?
@@0202fabrice
Right angle: Yes, like any ratchet wrench.
Impact: No, which was my point.
Ratchet: Yes, which expects you to break tight fasteners loose manually like any other.
As mentioned before, the tool is for speeding up the ratcheting process. It’s a nut/bolt runner. If you think it’s intended to break the stuck nut/bolt free when you press the button, you’re simply wrong. There is no impact function.
You put it on the stuck nut/bolt, manually break it free, and then run it the rest of the way using the cordless ratcheting function. If you need it tight you run it down until it stops then tighten manually like a traditional ratchet (moving back/forth).
@@emmettturner9452 The one I'm holding in my hand CLEARLY communicates impact! 😆
Here's DeWalt's instruction for use:
4. Press variable speed trigger switch 1 to start operation.
5. Release variable speed trigger switch 1 to stop operation.
They certainly seem to expect the tool to normally begin removal, emphasized by parenthetically adding "can also be used manually":
"The ratchet can also be used manually for starting stubborn fasteners or snugging by releasing the trigger and applying the torque by hand.
NOTE: Excessive manually applied torque may damage the tool housing or mechanism."
@@0202fabrice this morning’s episode of Rainman Ray Repairs discusses the “neutral drop” cordless ratchet technique for the umpteenth time. Clearly, professional mechanics know how these are used and even have tricks to make them more useful.
The “neutral drop” is where you get the “electron” ratchet, as Ray jokingly calls it, up to speed before dropping it on the fastener, using its rotational speed/mass to simulate one small impact hit from a tool that otherwise delivers no impacts. It’s just a shortcut for convenience.
It seems you’ve found instructions describing its use exactly the way I did: You manually break the stuck fasteners free. There is no impact function for applying breakaway torque like this video was testing for.
It’s a common misconception. Professionals like Mr. Subaru routinely mock us for thinking cordless ratchets are supposed to be used like that. There’s a reason TTC includes the manual ratcheting time in their gauntlet used to test these.
It doesn’t even make sense to apply a higher torque without an impact function. To apply that torque you would need to hold it with the same force you would need to turn it manually… only it would be unavoidably dampened by your grip and, thus, less effective even at the same torque. Obviously, they don’t want you using a plastic-bodied tool to manually wrench 300 foot pounds of torque, so there is a much lower limit specified.
Nowhere does DeWALT call it an “impact ratchet” like this video says, but you say it “CLEARLY communicates impact”? Not sure I understand. It is not an impact tool in any way. There is no weighted hammer hitting the anvil for applying more force to the fastener than you are applying manually through the handle. There is a completely different tool for that: A compact right-angle impact. DeWALT doesn’t make a compact one yet but Rigid, Kobalt, and others do. Example: Milwaukee M12 Fuel 2564
Edit: Just read the DCF513B manual myself. It doesn’t even mention “impact” unless you count the generic list of terms where it defines one it never even used (“IPM”).
@@0202fabrice Ray started today’s video with another “Neutral drop” on his cordless “electron” ratchet. :)
Torque specs are always for tightening & are always slightly less for loosening, across all brands. Also this is not a right angle impact wrench,, only a ratchet.. expect to use it like a hand ratchet to loosen & or snug up fasteners outside of the tools range. It's just faster running the bolt on or off with the use of a motor.
I thought it was the other way, especially impact guns
@@anthonysmith-si7si Tightening torque is lower than bolt breakaway, just like he said. The reason being, it takes less torque to remove a bolt, then it does to fasten it. Shop Tool Reviews has done videos on it, and at least in the sizes they used, it's was somewhere between 70-75% of the torque to remove a fastener. I.E. a 100ft lbs torqued bolt maybe only take 70-75ft lbs to remove.
Other way around dummy...
I believe they are coming out with a impact version most air ratchets aren't ment to break loose bolts they are just meant to make bolt removal faster
what i love about these wrenches is the heads can take more torque than others you can auto wrench it then when its max you can add more with arms. i seen comparison of people working all the brands till they break and dewalt came out on top
What’s the name of the video I want to check it out
i have sold tons of these in last 5-6 weeks and everyone loves them 6 new models coming soon in 20v and extended
Can you share what those new models are?!
@@StevenVette24 20v 1/2--20v 3/8 inch--20v extended reach
seberal 12 volt sealed head models like mac air ratchet-
Love the Video! Only gotten into power tools, and DeWalt in the last 3-4 years, and they have been great at making new stuff finally! Their Flex Volt line is great, and I have and love their 60V Blower and Grass Trimmer ! I trimmed, edged (with edger attachment), and blew off my entire yard, front and back (including a fence, deck, patio, and landscaping for trimming, and edging sidewalk and driveway), and my 9Ah/3Ah FlexVolt battery still had a bar of power to keep going! And the Trimmer is better than my gas Echo it replaced! The torque is there at low speeds to easily cut grass without damaging my vinyl fence and such!
This ratchet in the 12V line is on my list next!
Couldn’t agree more, finally started replacing my yard tools with the DeWalt cordless as well!
@@ZeroToAwesome nice! They really are great at 60V! And their batteries still play with the 20V tools if needed!
More power is always better, thanks!
I’m waiting for a 120V Max (meaning 2 flex volt battery powered) job site table saw with an A/C adapter. The new 891 mid torque is awesome
I got that same ratchet and the 1/4 inch in 12 volt, love both of them
I think the 12v went on sale a few months before the 20v. It was so tempting to pick one up but I held out for the battery system I use the most.
@@ZeroToAwesome ya I use the 20 volt stuff a lot more, these new dewalt tools are almost as small as the 12 volt, but I got all the xtreme impact wrenches, driver, and the ratchets just for my car
I use it and it saves me a lot of time but like you said if one is tightening a bolt or screw, it will break the bolt if not careful. A lot of bolts I use it on are aluminum so its easy to break them so I always stop before it gets all the way and then I do it by hand with my eTork wrench.
Been waiting for this for a long time. Yay!
The Milwaukee M12 high speed ratchet wrench still my favorite for 3/8, it's fast, has small head, descent power and compact.
Hope I enjoy mines,it will be here this Thursday🙏🏾.good video.
Enjoy it!!
Great video. I have a tetanus box also that I've had since 1989. Every time I open the box, I poke myself with something sharp! I'm lucky to be alive.
Your immune system has to be great!
I have this tool. Have tested it on my project truck. is a little better for tough bolts than the small impact. but ended up relying on the DCH900 to break away the real tough bolts.
the dch900 is a hammer drill.....color me confused
That's awesome!!!
They have a lot of cool tools I don't need but like u, I just want to buy!!!
I think you “need” every one of those cool new tools!
Dude you Rock. Great show! 👍😂😂 sit there with its brethren! Lol!!
Do you think that tightening that nut in the vice is adding additional friction making the 70#'s you set actually more like 80?
Maybe! Good question, as a non-engineer I have gotten a couple suggestions about how to more accurately test this in the future.
Never mind jst seen vid sir as always great content very informative
DeWalt have been upping their power tool game for well over just the last year. The thing is they just don’t target the big box stores for all their higher level professional tools, like their PEX expander, cable cutter, rebar cutter, etc.
I use their Pex expander. Excellent piece of gear!
Yes if you need more torque you get a impact wrench this is just to get bolts out in tighter spaces
It's not a safety it's a trigger lock so when its in your bag it dont turn on its next or touching other tools
you did have the nut in the vise that was pressing the bolt which could've changed the torque the second time you had the bolt in the vise
Try tightening it then checking the torque with the torque wrench
Love mine glad they finally released a 20v
Good video and funny too.
I am looking to purchase a ratchet like this one and want to know how reachable this tool is in the tight spaces around the vehicles.
Would you add some info about that, maybe do comparison with other models for ease use & reach?
thanks!
Might be able to work that out. She is a beefy tool, doesn’t fit everywhere.
@11:38 What happened here is as you tightened the nut it just pulled the bolt out of the vice grip. I’m sure the side of the bolt has skid marks on it. Thanks for the review I plan on getting one of these in the near future. I have a bunch of old 20V batteries and would like a closeup view of how jarring the transition is between the tool body and battery case.
With the regular 20v batteries it is a bit bulky. Not as streamline as other brands/solutions but at least it is the same battery system.
@@ZeroToAwesome ok cool
When it comes to tight places you gotta find the right power tool.
Where did you find the Home Depot style thread pitch checker?
Amazon!
I’ve been waiting not in Canada yet for the 20 volt the 12 volt is on Amazon for 249 a little high I’ll wait now for the sale
That is a little high, especially if it does not come with a battery. The 12v went I sale here a couple months ago, took about another 90 days for the 20v to show up.
Is it just me or does he look like the actor who played Tim Allen's brother in Home Improvement.
A cordless ratchet was supposed to be lite and easy to use in tight places like a regular ratchet,
as companies compete in the market for who manufactures a ratchet with more torque,
the ratchet has become more cumbersome, heavy to hold and no longer useful in tight places.
Really good point, this thing isn’t sneaking into any tight spaces.
The, "I don't need, but I want to buy." is the life I live with tools.
Debating on buying this new dewalt since I have most dewalt drills etc or the Milwaukee for car work. Any recommendations?
If you already have one battery system I vote you stick with it. I would have gone Milwaukee but am way to invested in yellow tools, batteries, chargers.
I actually bought the Milwaukee just because DeWalt didn't have anything like it. I e-mailed Dewalt asking them to make something and they referred me to the 3/8" impact gun - 2 totally different tools. I still like my Dewalt tools vs Milwaukee as I feel they're better built with the trigger feel and ergonomics - again just my opinion. The only thing on that ratchet is the battery placement should be facing the bottom and not the side as the 20V large battery would get in the way of reaching in tight spaces.
100% agree on the battery placement. I understand why it happened that way, to keep the 20v battery and not switch to a different size/shape. The 12v ratchet has a little bit better form factor but I just don’t want different batteries even if they use the same charger.
Lmfao at the end I'm weaker then a torque wrench lol
We all love beefy in the hand😂😂😂
For ratchet it is speed that saves you time! I think the red brand has warp speed to all other ratchets.
Dewalt dropped the ball on this, for me. I bought a Hercules a last year, zero regrets
Same, except I went for Milwaukee in the end.
I've been writing to and trying to get DeWalt's attention on this for YEARS. They were literally asleep at the wheel when it came to this tool. I bought a Milwaukee ratchet 2 years ago and it's the most used cordless tool in my workshop. I seriously doubt that I'll be buying the DeWalt, despite the fact that I have about a dozen other 18V/20V DeWalt tools.
@@unicorn7337 exactly, I checked out the 20v ones at home depot, and honestly wasn't impressed. Maybe the put down the power? But the ratchet head is way too bulky for most of the wrenching i use mine for. The Milwaukees are nice because you have options sizewize, I bought the HF 12v Hercules along with they're 12v buffer/roloc sander. And they perform excellent for the money. I use the sander daily for metal fab
At $189 it’s a bit steep. I bought a Husky 3/8” three years ago for $50 in November, has like a 5amp internal battery. It’s a powered ratchet not a impact ratchet.
It’s a ratchet! Not an Impact Wrench! I’ve been using theirs 3/8 ratchet for about nine months now and it’s been great.
Your Uggu Douga test was more realistic. The first test, the head of the bolt likely dug into the washer, creating a need for even more torque than what you used to tighten it. In your second test, looks like those spacers didn't have sharp edges digging into each other, like the bolt head did. Just my $.02
All those tools❤
Can you please let me know the model and is it available in India
Can you use a 18v standard dewalt battery on it ?
A European 18v Lithium battery or a older US 18v NiCad? No to the 18v NiCad, yes to the 18v euro batteries.
Been yellow for almost 30 years. Love em all just always preferred Dewalt. Innovation comes from competition….God Bless America
The reason I won’t upgrade to the new Powerstack is because the old 20V batteries use standard 18650 cells and if one of them fails it’s easy to spot weld new ones in place. The Powerstack battery is a stack of lithium packs and when those go bad you’re paying full price for new ones.
Any recommendation if a brand of cell to use as a replacement. I have a 60v that has a couple bad cells and need to try and repair it.
@@ZeroToAwesome Well you have to open it up first to figure out if it’s actually a 18650 or some of the bigger packs use 21700 cells. The only brands for cells I would order is Samsung and Sony. There’s a lot of fakes out there so just be careful where you’re ordering them from. There’s a few detailed videos on here how to do it properly with balancing the cells voltage and spot welding. After you do it once it’s easy.
@@ZeroToAwesome Mike’s Inventions is the guy to watch for this. He did a great video.
Thank you, I appreciate the info. Going to do a little research and try to resurrect a battery.
@@markm0000Molicell, Panasonic, LG, Samsung, Tesla, …then Sony.
try the 70ft lbs test with the same socket that you used at the end of the video.
Will this work with the dewalt 18v xr batteries?
Unfortunately only fits the 20v line of batteries.
Bro good vid your funny. The 2010 and then not innovating until now, I can't agree with because flexvolt was introduced or teased in 2015 I believe then released in 2016. That was pretty big for Dewalt. It was nice that you could use the batteries in 20v tools as well. Now the ratchet you have is one of the home depot only atomic versions. Just wanted to clear that up as you can't get them at Lowe's. The ones at Lowe's are12v extreme. Also, it's a ratchet not a right angle impact so, most of the torque will be applied manually. Check out Torque Test Channel for comparisons between the 2 pretty interesting results. I'm pretty sure that Dewalt or Stanley rather already made cordless ratchets. Mac branded of course. They make or co make a right angle impact as well as a host of other tools, branded Klein, that use Dewalt batteries.
Thanks for the info, appreciate it! Wasn’t certain if DeWalt made the Mac Ratchets or if it was just a battery deal like the Graco painters.
*you’re
Love the intro 😂
Where did you get that bolt and nut size chart
They sell them in six-packs on Amazon, just like beer!
@@ZeroToAwesome I look on Amazon for it I couldn't find it do you know what its called on Amazon
@@ZeroToAwesome I finally found it on Amazon thanks for the response
I was wondering what's the next house to break into ?
I don't believe I heard you mention the model number of that ratchet. I bought a DCF513B last week, and it is not an "impact" type ratchet, its just a ratchet. An impact tool doesn't pull out of your hand as the fastener tightens. For instance, an impact gun for tightening wheel lug nuts does not twist your wrist after the lug nut is tight. Please mention the Dewalt model number if possible. Thank you.
Indeed. He even incorrectly calls it an “impact ratchet.” Expectations are way out of line with reality. Without putting a hammer’s rotational mass into the fastener, all of the force is applied to your grip… which actually dampens it and requires you to use at least as much force as you would to manually break it free.
Because it has speed and momentum when running the fastener down it will stall at a higher torque than it can subsequently remove in reverse from a full stop. You are supposed to manually break away stuck fasteners by moving it like a traditional ratcheting wrench and then run it the rest of the way with the trigger.
It’s a nut/bolt runner, not a compact right-angle impact.
The ending of your video 😂😂
DeWalt quarter inch and 3/8 ratchet has been out for well over 5 years. But they were under Mac tools name because Mac tool put their name on dewalt's cordless ratchet.
I don’t know where you have been the last 10 years dewalt has been dominating the market with its 60v Line and they come out with new tools every year, all the 20v and 60v batteries fit almost all the tools you just haven’t been paying attention
U won me at “uggga duggga….🤣
This is not a impacting ratchet Its a regular Electric Ratchet the only impact ratchets that exist are pneumatic
Nah, pretty sure the red label has a right angle impact ratchet
@@rationalsanelogical8910 no Milwaukee does not have a impact ratchet no battery operated impact ratchet exists and I made my comment because I own the tools in the video I know what they are
Just in time about to go buy one of them other brands.
Whew, that was a close call!
Torque test channel and project farm, both test multiple mngr
I noticed you marked your batteries, Whats your system ?
Mostly to tell the difference from other peoples tools when I’m taking them somewhere. All these yellow tools start to look the same at some point.
Great, I just brought the same one but in a 1/2 drive, I haven't use it yet.
So your test with the torque wrench was not good losing can take a different amount of torque than tightening you should tighten a bolt with the ratchet and get a dial indicator torque wrench and see what the torque value is that would be much better
Im definitely getting this tool. I have an impact driver, I like it but I do need a ratchet. I've been looking to get a dewalt pressure washer and the power washer for small jobs
I think the cordless DeWalt power washer with the built in pump looks pretty handy for small jobs. Kind of want to check one out.
Try a bolt that’s not made of chinesium
Ahh the old family hand me down chest of tetanus… 😂 I’m in the process of cleaning out and re organizing our toolbox’s and this couldn’t be more accurate lol
Good old pokey!
I am so tired of DeWalt informing me of the next thing I "need!"
Killin me!!!!
OK, take my money.
They are so good at taking it!
I always like your opinion because its always the right opinion 🤙🏾🤪
“Impact ratchet?” Ooookaaay…
I was just wondering do you like tools ?
Depends on how the project is going. Sometimes yes, sometimes they are the enemy.
One thing nearly every reviewer fails to mention is that Stanley/Black & Decker/DeWalt is an American company and makes many of their tools in North America. Nearly all my DeWalt tools are made in the US or Mexico and that is no accident, I intentionally avoided the Chinese made tools when possible. Milwaukee is owned by TTI, a Chinese company who makes nearly all their stuff in China. Today that matters more than ever, or at least it should to anybody who has been paying attention to world events. Unfortunately I believe the Atomic line is pretty much all made in China.
It is super interesting to follow along who who owns what tool companies, and how these companies buy more and more brands every year.
I think hand tools are even more interesting than power tools since there are fewer hand tool manufacturers. Blows my mind that most husky hand tools are using the same dies and lines that Craftsman used back in the 90s, and that craftsman has now been sent offshore.
RPM RPM RPM = time!!! The MILWAUKEE® M12 FUEL™ 3/8" High Speed Ratchet offers the fastest speed while installing and removing fasteners with 450 RPM
Has anyone else noticed that the 3amp hour battery is wider than the others ?????? Thanks
It is a really odd shape, doesn’t match any of the rest. I think mine came as a combo with a band saw.
@@ZeroToAwesome i bought mine a double pack at Christmas sales at lowes i think
It's because it has the new 21700 cells. Not the older 18650.
Dewalt needs an impact ratchet like Milwaukee.....not just a cordless ratchet.
Agreed!! Hope the new tools keep coming.
Too Little Too Late, Milwaukee is in the Tool Chest
Use it to tighten the bolt then check....
That "red" 35 ft-lber would have most likely got it done. They have bigger feet 😁
It just made me feel so dirty and wrong.
@@ZeroToAwesome guilty pleasure I guess
Ya, when you buy Milwaukee some dude in China at TTI gets richer, Dewalt investing in more American manufacturing
Also they are already in the automotive tool line up with MAC tools 🤦♂️
MAC isn’t yellow, doesn’t count.
Dewalt has made cordless ratchets they called them Mac tools they used Dewalt batteries
Very good point! Did they make that or just license the battery like Graco does with the paint guns?
@@ZeroToAwesome No they own Mac tools
Good to know!
Ya I was about to buy the Mac ratchet then I saw these leaked online
Hmmm stagnate? Just makes drills? I guess my dewalt saw all,chain saw,multi tool, weed eater, cordless tire inflator, etc are proof of them only making drills and impacts? Nutso!
Ratchets are not Right angle Impact wrenches bud
It's a new product. They're actually releasing an impact grinder at the end of 2023 and an impact flashlight in 2024
Now with an unpainted surface
south main Marie is the OG
Put the bigger battery on and I'm sure it would've broke it free
Let’s give it a shot!
great 14:40 mins later all I find out is the tool likes the tool.
What is the tool buys more tools to talk about tools? (Maybe while listening to tool?)
@@ZeroToAwesome well I guess I was hoping for more data like a comparison to the Milwaukee offerings or even the DeWalt 12V line something like that. Also, if your going to do torque tests just use a piece of angle iron like the Torque test channel. Don't use the vise because that didn't work very well.
the crazy thing about some of these powertool manufacturers is that i had no respect for the rigid brand untill i started threading pipe. i thought they were on the level of ryobi or craftsman but ive never used a pipe threader that wasnt rigid brand and i see plumber with their pro press tools and its almost always a rigid. shop vacs ..rigid both homeowners and professionals
This thing literally looks like a carpet kicker
It really does….
I own a bunch of dewalt. some stuff milwaukee makes looks good but dewalt is soo much better in most daily tools if you do carpentry. milwaukee seems clunky in many of their tools. they do offer more tradesman tools but when dewalt gets around to making their version its usually better. propress is a fine example.
I think you are definitely right, when DeWalt gets around to it then it comes out pretty good.
Unfortunately the only thing I found dewalt inovated greatly on was their magnetic bits for impact drivers. Best hold and extensions for price imo. I switched to red recently after doing a lot of looking, and might even look at kobalts 3/8 ratchet
Ironically… I have a couple sets of red magnetic bits. Need to try DeWalts!
It's not a side angle impact bud
My problem with this video is the tool and not the dewalt. Couldn’t agree more
I’m here for the comments
So far they are positive… just wait.
Try with a 5 AH battery
DeWalt had their 60 volt compound miter saw before Milwaukee they had their leaf blowers before Milwaukee they had their lawn mowers before Milwaukee. What has made a lot of different tools before Milwaukee and all the other tool manufacturers.
I think DeWalt does have a edge for household lawn tools. Unless I missed it I don’t think Makita has a battery mower yet like DeWalt does. I would kind of prefer them putting their R&D into new construction and mechanic tools rather than leaf blowers. I think DeWalt is making the shift to strictly consumer rather than that “prosumer”. Hate to see them turn into Ryobi if that is where they are headed.
@@ZeroToAwesome Makita has had a mower for over two years now. DeWalt is nowhere near Ryobi, who does produce some decent stuff but mostly produces low end stuff and almost no specialized professional tools.
Did I hear you say "MAKITA" was inferior" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣They are the LARGEST maker of cordless tools and generally have stayed a step ahead of the curb on cordless technology. Lost me right there.
Vw for the win!
Its not an impact. I wish it was. But I love mine.
You are right, you have no idea what you are doing. Torque test channel showed the tool does higher than 70 ft-lbs. And even though dewalt is part of Stanley Black&Decker, they have been able to keep their quality up and are the high end pro tools of the SBD family.
I really need to mark this site as DO NOT RECOMMEND.
My DeWalt DCF513B 3/8 ratchet sounds crude like Craftsman ratchet compared to Snap On ratchet. DeWalt DCF891B 1/2 Impact Mid Torque wrench is smooth compared to DeWalt ratchet
The DeWalt is definitely not buttery smooth.
What a real torque test looks like. ua-cam.com/video/zPoiTdy8f2A/v-deo.html
The only accurate thing you said was “maybe I don’t know what I’m doing”
PLEASE TELL WERE UG DOUGG CAME FROM MARIE WOULD LIKE THAT AND HANNA STEP UP AND I WILL BUY FROM YOU IF YOU DO.
I don’t know what these words mean?