Williams must be absolutely devastated. What looked like an 8th place in the Constructors' Championship has turned out to be a solid P9, with no realistic chance of moving up. To top it all off, they suffered millions of dollars in losses due to crashes in just two races.
The worst thing about this is the smarmy Alpine/Renault management will absolutely jump on this result and present it as a product of their awful decisions and a sign of things to come.
As a french you have no idea how my ass was on the edge of my seat as I saw Ocon pulling away 2seconds per lap against Max before the second SC. I'm glad Max took the win and totally satisfied with Alpine's result but man there was a moment, I believed
In the end, I think 2nd and 3rd for the team is better. As now both side of the garage are not the race winner, but still podium. Less jealousy between the 2 guys, which worked out better imo.
Alpin’s result in Brazil was nothing short of impressive and exciting to see. Las Vegas has shaped up to be an exciting weekend for sure. Plus the 3 week break gives Williams a chance to rebuild their cars.
Let’s not discredit that if the SC didn’t come out to allow Max to overtake Ocon, Ocon was pulling away comfortably against Max Alpine did a superb job
People really seem to be forgetting that even in the post race interview you could tell Max was happy to come home in second place, and he had no plans of trying to challenge Ocon. If there wasn’t that final safety car, we’d be talking about ocons second win. In my personal opinion, he should’ve defended turn one harder and the team should’ve told him that Max was finding more grip on the inside of turned one throughout the whole race. He could’ve easily defended that position. Max was not trying to DNF there and Ocon is probably the only other driver on the grid Besides Lewis that Max would think twice about passing, especially at this exact track.
Absolutely fuming as a Haas fan, in what is undoubtedly their best season of late, where they managed to build a fast car with race pace and consistent results, a highly deserved P6 likely killed off by a freak result from Alpine.
You might be a little bit spoiled after the good results booked. As HAAS came into the season with absolutely no expectations at all and talking down their chances.
So thoroughly undeserved for Alpine, but at least both Ocon and Gasly demonstrated that they won't choke when a huge opportunity comes their way - they're both fab drivers (when they're not warring with each other)
Awarding points to only half of the grid leads to certain things. 1. The bottom of the standings is determined not by how well teams do against each other week in and week out, but rather by how often they fluke into points positions. It’s not representative. 2. It robs late race battles for P13 of any meaning. If there were no financial consequences, that’d be less ideal, but fine. However, I don’t want teams to get money prizes based on how often they luck into the top 10 vs their adversaries. That’s just silly. I want them to be evaluated based on actual performance, week in and week out. I think last weekend showed why awarding points to every race finisher, for every extra position gained to have a meaning, would make F1 more sporting, and more viewer interesting.
Agree 100%. The longer the season the more you need to reward more cars imo Top 10 points is for when F1 had 16 races. Now it's time to reward all finishers to be more accurate.
It's a neat idea, but I think you still need some kind of cutoff for drivers who don't show the requisite skill. Personally I'd expand the points down to P15 in regular races, and P12 for sprints (if they're still happening - in an ideal world, sprint weekends would be binned off)
No that’s perfectly fine as it is. The race was the same for everyone and Alpine delivered better. Albon shouldn’t have crashed in Q3. Colapinto was dreadful in the rain. Haas drivers bottled it. You cannot randomly say that it’s unfair for Alpine to score huge points when they deliver under tricky circumstances. This is like diminishing the value of wins and podiums. F1 doesn’t hand out participation trophies.
@@BostilCensurado And then you have SC's and red flags randomising the results. Ocon and Gasly are good drivers but surely not the 2nd and 3rd best on the grid.
Rain is the great equalizer. The aerodynamic and power weaknesses of a car like Alpine are erased. It i down to the raw talent of the drivers, and both are among the best in F1. In the meantime, some of the top team drivers sank miserably.
I kinda like the old school feeling of a shock result propelling a team up the standings like this. It gives more weight and importance to a good result. It is more meaningfull
looking at the race from an RB and Yuki Tsunoda fan this hurts so bad, all the season trying to keep that place than HAAS takes your sport by couple of points but guess what, Alpine comes out of nowhere and takes another one, anyways it's a superb job by Alpine, let's see who keeps it till the end, my guess is HAAS will win the midflield battle
There is still hope as the Renault engine is still a bit of a weak point in normal races (not at altitude or in the rain) RB and Haas should score more points than Alpine .
I challenge any F1 fan to watch Gasly's and Ocon's on-board cameras during a dry qualifying session. You will see that this result was not a fluke. Both of these drivers are world-class and would be chasing championships with proper machinery.
It amazes me that while Alpine had a "freak" result.... The same commentator says that it was all skill in the hands of MV. A red flag free tire change gave them the advantage. That an RB was able to run away from the Alpines after the restart should suprise no one.
Full analysis of the race disagrees with your take. But yes, I agree that Alpine's result was less of a freak thing than journalists are making it out to be. While Verstappen would've likely still won the grand prix by looking at his pace over the entire race, even without the red flag, the Alpines and the Alpine drivers had good pace in those conditions.
I don't see similarities. Marussia wasn't able to show up in the last races in 2014 and went into administration as the title sponsor, Russian financer, pulled out. Team was in deep debt. Next season was with new owners. The team never really got their financial side out of red zone.
@PervoMarek It's okay, but I see similarities because Manor Marussia can competing in 2015 because of prize money thank to P9 by Jules Bianchi at the Monaco Grand Prix.
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 They had 60 mil in debt at the end of season. Way more than the prize money. Only got out of administration because of the new investors.
If you think about it, Colapinto has probably cost the team even more money than Sargeant ever did. That heavy crash cost the team over $10 million as it created the conditions for Alpine to take the free pit stop. On top of his heavy crashes.
@@snowtrooper8817 Colapinto has had far too many amazing races already to call him bad after aquaplaning once. It's unfortunate it led to what it did, but it's not like it was avoidable - he was on the wrong tire for the weather and was pushing to get temperature into them. This could have caught anyone out, just so happens to be the rookie.
Colapinto's damages were major because he crashed into unpadded concrete, not tecpro. His team pitted him at laps 26 and 30 for inters. Why twice and then push him to make up time? At the time of the crash they were pushing him to reduce the delta on cold inters. He was driving at 110% all race. Nearly every other team at the time were just telling their drivers to keep it on the track. Same as Albon's crash. He had a P2 banker in Q3. He was having issues with the car, there had been numerous crashes, but the team chose to have him see if he could improve. Bam!!! For the record, Franco is just under $1.8MM in damages and has scored 5 points and has pulled in many millions of sponsorship. Logan was over $3MM in damages with 0 points when he left this year.
Or even just saying, this rain will let up, just keep it on the track. It was odd how hard they pushed him. Close the delta. More load for the PU. Your max be will be good enough🙄 It was odd they pitted him at lap 26. It was even odder that they pitted him again 4 laps later. Cold inters under a safety and they wanted him to close the delta! Uggg
I don't think it's respectful to call it a 'freak result'. Alpine had two drivers on the podium. that isn't down to chance. clearly there's quality in the team and the conditions in Brazil just allowed that to emerge
Oh man, you are giving me a hope, hope that I will see Renault winning again! It was a long and sad story, going worse and worse. first Ottmar - the most disgraced spineless manager in the paddock, then Piastry saga, then Alonso resign (winning Alonso in Renault would be a mind-blowing), then engine from Mercedes. Alpine with Merc engine would not be a Renault again, but I still hope that Renault will take a break to come back with a new better engine. They have knowledge and experience, the hall of F1 fame is full of Renault records. Yes, I'm die hard Renault fan.
The points system needs reviewing that what has been the second worst car all season gets ahead of teams that have been on the fringes of points all year.
No it doesn’t need reviewing. It’s upto teams to deliver every single weekend. F1 doesn’t hand out participation trophies for finishing last. Wins and podiums shouldn’t be devalued for backmarkers. Alpine got 2 podiums and that’s why they’re ahead.
@@paperplane-db8qf No one's saying anything about giving "participation trophies for finishing last"? They're saying maybe finishing P9-P11 consistently should be worth more than finishing (example numbers, I don't know Alpine's actual average position) P14-15 most races and then getting a double podium from mostly dumb luck. You say "it's up to teams to deliver every single weekend", but every other team aside from Sauber has delivered more than Alpine in pretty much every single weekend except for this one. Freak results should not impact the standings this much. I'm actually happy for Alpine (the drivers and staff anyway, not the management) but this scoring system doesn't make any sense. I'd probably extend the points-scoring positions down to P15 at least.
@@paperplane-db8qf 100% mate. If anything far too many points are attributed, especially when considering the grid has 20 cars. To my opinion we should go back to the 6 cars scoring only, that made having a point a true performence ! Going with it is also the issue for the championship struggle : finishing 4th twice gets you to 95% of a win tally, while back in the day it took three 4th places to get to 90% or equal (before 1990) to a win. That meant the world champion HAD to rush for victories, just having an average but consistent year wasn't enough.
@@PositronCannon I used to be against this, but I'm coming around after this. The more that outlier results can influence a full-season result, the less merit-based a system is. Extending the awarding of points further down the field means a greater amount of importance is placed on average finishing position for a greater proportion of the field.
Max wins on pure talent but alpine get P2 and P3 as a freak accident, exactly the same circumstances, no difference in their overall performance, one is touted as the holy grail and the other as a 10 million stake on green 0
Would hate to think what that crash bill looks like at Williams, can't remember a season where a team with multiple drivers (3 now) had so many heavy crashes so often. Could take years to catch up and get back to a treading water position after all of these crashes.
It's just proof to me, that there needs to be points further down the grid... In my oppinion all positions (except maybe last place) should get some amount of points. I've been saying this for years... you could have a semi-decent mid-field car, that finishes consistently around 11-13, and only ever score a few points in a season, and then have a worse car that is one of the lucky ones on a freak weekend or two, and actually be ahead of the generally better performing car in the championship. It's such a weird way of handling it. The wife and I was amazed at the drive from both Alpines at Interlagos. They did an amazing job. But jumping from second to last to 6th in the championship, this late in the season, from A SINGLE RACE, should just not be possible. As I see it, it takes away the fighting spirit of the people who's already down, from bad results. Give them something to fight for... in the last 3rd of almost every race, the backmarkers just turn on autopilot, because it makes NO difference if they finish 17 or 12. Consistency should be the main part of the championships... not freak results.
I’ll be sad now if Haas only get 8th after 6th was on the table. Had Haas got that double podium (which would’ve been amazing vibes) then they’d be challenging Aston Martin for 5th. Imagine Aston losing to Haas, Lawrence Stroll would ragequit and not unjustifiably so 😂
Be interesting if they can unlock why they were quick in those conditions. I suspect the car is actually decent but stalling in the dry somewhere or tyre temps are a major issue. Interesting.
The slowest car in F1 paddock came in second and third place in the slowest race. Plus Max and RB being the slowest of the top three teams won the slowest race of the year.
IDK man, those are the rules, that is the system, it was legal. I find no way of questioning how “valid” it should be, everyone had the same opportunity, they were the ones that didn’t miss it. I’ve people say it shouldn’t be possible.
It shouldnt be possible becuase fia give money based on the standings to the teams and a shitty teams is going to get milions instead of teams that were much much better
@@Ghost0fDeath1I'm guessing this is a feels-based statement and not a statistically validated one, because Alpine driver performances have largely been ahead of Williams if you look at points finishes, and when they've been behind, it's been close.
Alpine is a bad Team that give it's own engine up. It is really really sad, and the complete top Managers at Renault are insane. You can See IT, that Briatore is back.
The fluke podiums have lost them wind tunnel and cfd time. Does Reanult really need the extra cash when it cant actually be spent due to the cost cap? No. Edit, its fantastic for moral. Just what they needed.
Williams must be absolutely devastated. What looked like an 8th place in the Constructors' Championship has turned out to be a solid P9, with no realistic chance of moving up. To top it all off, they suffered millions of dollars in losses due to crashes in just two races.
Duh they’re not sponsored by Best Water Technology
Lol they got dunked on
Still saving money over Sargeant crashing for the last 9 gp
@@Tyler_Evans04113 crashes in a day, its like Sargeant never left...
@@kushagraN yessir 😂. Beats 27 over 9 races tho 😭
The worst thing about this is the smarmy Alpine/Renault management will absolutely jump on this result and present it as a product of their awful decisions and a sign of things to come.
Exactly...
I think the worst is the fact they just lost so much development money and computer time in the most critical season before a rules change year.
You mean the exact same thing every teams PR team would decide to do? I get its lame but presenting it like it's something unique to them is absurd.
Current TP seems legit but his bosses....
Gasly P3 in Las Vegas Qually - looks like they're not making awful decisions and it's a sign of things to come... *snigger*
As a french you have no idea how my ass was on the edge of my seat as I saw Ocon pulling away 2seconds per lap against Max before the second SC. I'm glad Max took the win and totally satisfied with Alpine's result but man there was a moment, I believed
In the end, I think 2nd and 3rd for the team is better. As now both side of the garage are not the race winner, but still podium. Less jealousy between the 2 guys, which worked out better imo.
I thought Ocon had it in the bag if the SC didn’t come out there.
I'm sure Alpine/Renault upper management wouldn't be blinded by this result at all
renault engines are rubbish.
@@RayTitske fr Renault’s engine is the worst engine in the grid
*cough cough* rumor has it they're looking at acquiring Franco when they already signed 2 drivers for 2025
@@beebimbopwilliams is more likely to make a deal w rb over colapinto, theyre already discussing it
alpine's got best water technology alright
good one lol
Thanks to BWT
The boat memes about the alpine are so funny, where it really did perform best in the wet.
Alpin’s result in Brazil was nothing short of impressive and exciting to see. Las Vegas has shaped up to be an exciting weekend for sure. Plus the 3 week break gives Williams a chance to rebuild their cars.
Let’s not discredit that if the SC didn’t come out to allow Max to overtake Ocon, Ocon was pulling away comfortably against Max
Alpine did a superb job
People really seem to be forgetting that even in the post race interview you could tell Max was happy to come home in second place, and he had no plans of trying to challenge Ocon. If there wasn’t that final safety car, we’d be talking about ocons second win. In my personal opinion, he should’ve defended turn one harder and the team should’ve told him that Max was finding more grip on the inside of turned one throughout the whole race. He could’ve easily defended that position. Max was not trying to DNF there and Ocon is probably the only other driver on the grid Besides Lewis that Max would think twice about passing, especially at this exact track.
@@AZBCDE point of leaving that hateful comment. Where exactly Does it get you besides finding anger in yourself to make it?
Good thing the most toxic driver on the grid didn't get a win.
@@AZBCDE Mate no one's crying. He was just giving Ocon some well deserved credit for having good pace. Doesn't mean he was criticizing Max
Tbf max said that the spray was so heavy that he wasn’t bothering to close up until track conditions would improve
Absolutely fuming as a Haas fan, in what is undoubtedly their best season of late, where they managed to build a fast car with race pace and consistent results, a highly deserved P6 likely killed off by a freak result from Alpine.
come the final races I think Haas will get 6th place back, just 2 points in it and Hulk been on fire all year
@@3tech3tdepend there is rb just behind aswell its going to be actually quite exiting
You might be a little bit spoiled after the good results booked. As HAAS came into the season with absolutely no expectations at all and talking down their chances.
Don't worry, Alpine won't finish the season in 6th, let alone higher than that.
This is racing, kid. These things happen sometimes. And nothing is "deserved" lol
So thoroughly undeserved for Alpine, but at least both Ocon and Gasly demonstrated that they won't choke when a huge opportunity comes their way - they're both fab drivers (when they're not warring with each other)
@@louis-marlowe True, especially regarding Gasly. Every time he got presented with a chance to get on the podium, he executed it.
Awarding points to only half of the grid leads to certain things.
1. The bottom of the standings is determined not by how well teams do against each other week in and week out, but rather by how often they fluke into points positions. It’s not representative.
2. It robs late race battles for P13 of any meaning.
If there were no financial consequences, that’d be less ideal, but fine. However, I don’t want teams to get money prizes based on how often they luck into the top 10 vs their adversaries. That’s just silly. I want them to be evaluated based on actual performance, week in and week out.
I think last weekend showed why awarding points to every race finisher, for every extra position gained to have a meaning, would make F1 more sporting, and more viewer interesting.
There was never a point in history where more than half of the F1 grid was awarded any points, quite the contrary actually. You have to earn them.
Agree 100%.
The longer the season the more you need to reward more cars imo
Top 10 points is for when F1 had 16 races. Now it's time to reward all finishers to be more accurate.
It's a neat idea, but I think you still need some kind of cutoff for drivers who don't show the requisite skill. Personally I'd expand the points down to P15 in regular races, and P12 for sprints (if they're still happening - in an ideal world, sprint weekends would be binned off)
@@jgagnier the most representative points system is and always will be the Winston cup points system.
No that’s perfectly fine as it is. The race was the same for everyone and Alpine delivered better.
Albon shouldn’t have crashed in Q3. Colapinto was dreadful in the rain.
Haas drivers bottled it.
You cannot randomly say that it’s unfair for Alpine to score huge points when they deliver under tricky circumstances.
This is like diminishing the value of wins and podiums. F1 doesn’t hand out participation trophies.
I wish it would rain every race that race was exciting.
That would make F1 more random than anything. And let's not even think about the team's repair bills... 😂
@@soundscape26The car builds would be optimized differently if the average speed was lower as it is in races with rain.
@@soundscape26 not really, rain is an equalizer, the driver start to matter way more than the cars
@@BostilCensurado And then you have SC's and red flags randomising the results. Ocon and Gasly are good drivers but surely not the 2nd and 3rd best on the grid.
Then finally we will get real race drivers
not just DRS users,
All of the focus has been on Max’s incredible P17 to P1, but I think Gasly deserves more credit for his P13 to P3 performance.
Alpine pulled a move which I often use before exam night
Rain is the great equalizer. The aerodynamic and power weaknesses of a car like Alpine are erased. It i down to the raw talent of the drivers, and both are among the best in F1. In the meantime, some of the top team drivers sank miserably.
Gasley has been making histories in that race track all the time. 😂🎉 NICE!
Bring back Renault.
I actually belive that if these 2 guys gets a good car they would fight for the podium consistently
I kinda like the old school feeling of a shock result propelling a team up the standings like this. It gives more weight and importance to a good result. It is more meaningfull
Alpine wind tunnel manager going to have a much quieter time than he expected next year!
looking at the race from an RB and Yuki Tsunoda fan this hurts so bad, all the season trying to keep that place than HAAS takes your sport by couple of points but guess what, Alpine comes out of nowhere and takes another one, anyways it's a superb job by Alpine, let's see who keeps it till the end, my guess is HAAS will win the midflield battle
Nah. Mercedes will
There is still hope as the Renault engine is still a bit of a weak point in normal races (not at altitude or in the rain) RB and Haas should score more points than Alpine .
I wouldn’t call it freakish, the car was clearly on point for that track…
I challenge any F1 fan to watch Gasly's and Ocon's on-board cameras during a dry qualifying session. You will see that this result was not a fluke. Both of these drivers are world-class and would be chasing championships with proper machinery.
1:31 look at that chart 📈
Alpine are a horrible team on the corporate side.
Alpine-Mercedes, don't forget. A french marketing dream!
It amazes me that while Alpine had a "freak" result.... The same commentator says that it was all skill in the hands of MV. A red flag free tire change gave them the advantage. That an RB was able to run away from the Alpines after the restart should suprise no one.
Full analysis of the race disagrees with your take. But yes, I agree that Alpine's result was less of a freak thing than journalists are making it out to be. While Verstappen would've likely still won the grand prix by looking at his pace over the entire race, even without the red flag, the Alpines and the Alpine drivers had good pace in those conditions.
Is it only me or it's very similar to what happened to Manor Marussia before the 2015 season?
I don't see similarities. Marussia wasn't able to show up in the last races in 2014 and went into administration as the title sponsor, Russian financer, pulled out. Team was in deep debt. Next season was with new owners. The team never really got their financial side out of red zone.
@PervoMarek It's okay, but I see similarities because Manor Marussia can competing in 2015 because of prize money thank to P9 by Jules Bianchi at the Monaco Grand Prix.
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 They had 60 mil in debt at the end of season. Way more than the prize money. Only got out of administration because of the new investors.
@PervoMarek Yeah, I see.
If you think about it, Colapinto has probably cost the team even more money than Sargeant ever did. That heavy crash cost the team over $10 million as it created the conditions for Alpine to take the free pit stop. On top of his heavy crashes.
@ totalling a car is not a “bad strategy”. It’s just being bad. That’s a poor first rain race.
Completely forgetting the massive sponsorship money he brought are we?
@@snowtrooper8817 Colapinto has had far too many amazing races already to call him bad after aquaplaning once. It's unfortunate it led to what it did, but it's not like it was avoidable - he was on the wrong tire for the weather and was pushing to get temperature into them. This could have caught anyone out, just so happens to be the rookie.
@@snowtrooper8817 I just don't think it's fair to blame one person for the entire financial situation at Williams and for what happened with Alpine.
Colapinto's damages were major because he crashed into unpadded concrete, not tecpro. His team pitted him at laps 26 and 30 for inters. Why twice and then push him to make up time? At the time of the crash they were pushing him to reduce the delta on cold inters. He was driving at 110% all race. Nearly every other team at the time were just telling their drivers to keep it on the track. Same as Albon's crash. He had a P2 banker in Q3. He was having issues with the car, there had been numerous crashes, but the team chose to have him see if he could improve. Bam!!! For the record, Franco is just under $1.8MM in damages and has scored 5 points and has pulled in many millions of sponsorship. Logan was over $3MM in damages with 0 points when he left this year.
Williams shot themselves in the foot by refusing to let Colapinto have full wets when he was begging for them.
Or even just saying, this rain will let up, just keep it on the track. It was odd how hard they pushed him. Close the delta. More load for the PU. Your max be will be good enough🙄 It was odd they pitted him at lap 26. It was even odder that they pitted him again 4 laps later. Cold inters under a safety and they wanted him to close the delta! Uggg
Not a freak result. They were the better drivers and earned it
Alpines double podium was a freak occurrence but Max's win was a wet weather showcase 🤔
Alpine was in last in Mario Party and stole everyone's stars in the last 5 turns.
I don't think it's respectful to call it a 'freak result'. Alpine had two drivers on the podium. that isn't down to chance. clearly there's quality in the team and the conditions in Brazil just allowed that to emerge
It not a freak result because a alpine was in q3 in both quali sessions! The car was decent at brazil!
The Race video team finally getting to use their Alpine stock footage library
Oh man, you are giving me a hope, hope that I will see Renault winning again! It was a long and sad story, going worse and worse. first Ottmar - the most disgraced spineless manager in the paddock, then Piastry saga, then Alonso resign (winning Alonso in Renault would be a mind-blowing), then engine from Mercedes. Alpine with Merc engine would not be a Renault again, but I still hope that Renault will take a break to come back with a new better engine. They have knowledge and experience, the hall of F1 fame is full of Renault records.
Yes, I'm die hard Renault fan.
The points system needs reviewing that what has been the second worst car all season gets ahead of teams that have been on the fringes of points all year.
No it doesn’t need reviewing. It’s upto teams to deliver every single weekend.
F1 doesn’t hand out participation trophies for finishing last.
Wins and podiums shouldn’t be devalued for backmarkers. Alpine got 2 podiums and that’s why they’re ahead.
@@paperplane-db8qf No one's saying anything about giving "participation trophies for finishing last"? They're saying maybe finishing P9-P11 consistently should be worth more than finishing (example numbers, I don't know Alpine's actual average position) P14-15 most races and then getting a double podium from mostly dumb luck.
You say "it's up to teams to deliver every single weekend", but every other team aside from Sauber has delivered more than Alpine in pretty much every single weekend except for this one. Freak results should not impact the standings this much.
I'm actually happy for Alpine (the drivers and staff anyway, not the management) but this scoring system doesn't make any sense. I'd probably extend the points-scoring positions down to P15 at least.
@@paperplane-db8qf 100% mate. If anything far too many points are attributed, especially when considering the grid has 20 cars.
To my opinion we should go back to the 6 cars scoring only, that made having a point a true performence !
Going with it is also the issue for the championship struggle : finishing 4th twice gets you to 95% of a win tally, while back in the day it took three 4th places to get to 90% or equal (before 1990) to a win. That meant the world champion HAD to rush for victories, just having an average but consistent year wasn't enough.
@@PositronCannon I used to be against this, but I'm coming around after this. The more that outlier results can influence a full-season result, the less merit-based a system is. Extending the awarding of points further down the field means a greater amount of importance is placed on average finishing position for a greater proportion of the field.
@@paperplane-db8qfbut alpine delivered just a weekend lmao
Max wins on pure talent but alpine get P2 and P3 as a freak accident, exactly the same circumstances, no difference in their overall performance, one is touted as the holy grail and the other as a 10 million stake on green 0
Funny how it's only a freak to them two and not Max, Max was extremely lucky too
This is why points should be awarded beyond 10th! At least to 15th!
Alpine got there because of good luck.......Williams and Aston Martin is another story
No luck involved, pure skills, stay on the track still go fast and proper pit wall not any papaya doing,
Meanwhile, Sauber only need the horizontal axis to show their seasonal progression by points, 200IQ move.
Would hate to think what that crash bill looks like at Williams, can't remember a season where a team with multiple drivers (3 now) had so many heavy crashes so often. Could take years to catch up and get back to a treading water position after all of these crashes.
One right call to wait out for a red flag and they’re 3 places up, incredible stuff. Will be an interesting battle between them VCARB and Haas.
Happy for Renault with The p2/3 at interlagos. Wish they had let Viry build that engine.
There needs to be a better spread in points across the field. The mid field battle is close but no where near the top 4-5 teams...
Because it is Formula one baby
Flávio shouldn’t be allowed in F1
Ocon and Gasly besties again 😂
And this why we love F1
Low downforce cars often work better in the rain. Look at Vettel at monza. There are tons of examples.
3 races left... That $30 million could easily go away.
Is Alpine gonna use a Merc engine next year? If so their pace would be interesting to see.
In 2026 not next year I think
@florinherlea8376 oh thx. that's a shame though.
I read somewhere that some dude place a 1 dollar bet on a double alpine podium and received 125k 😂
Williams and Alpine are my local teams. I want them to do well, sadly it seems at the expense of each other.
So happy for them…
But Lando really let me down letting Max secure DC losing with all that advantage
Alpine wasn't a tractor. It was a boat
I am happy for them. They did what the foox of Aston Martin have never done.
This is exactly why the current points system does not work
Perhaps they should consider increasing the points awarding positions to 12th
yes in fact i think down to 15th would probably make for a better racing and championship as 8 teams would score points each race potentially
Alpine 49 pts, Haas 46 pts and RB 44 pts…last 3 races favor Haas And RB over Alpine…overwhelming odds says Alpine finishes 8th.
Max's salary can fund Alpine for a season
Alpine-Renault-Alpine should drive with Renault-Alpine engines in the future
I think Max is okay on 2nd place and willing to give Ocon his 2nd win but due to restart, he went for it. Lol
as a haas hater , i'm glad actuall car company overtook that cnc-machine-company-billboard-with-wheels :)
Imagine if somehow it was the sauber who got this result
It’s strange how the race changed their tone on Alpine - does it have to do with Oliver Oaks recent comments?
"Why a diddy level result could be worth 100k bottles of baby oil" ahh title
Does anyone really think Alpine is going to stay ahead of Haas or RB?
Stunning.
Well deserved? 🥴
Result is so out of whack.....
Pick one.
It's just proof to me, that there needs to be points further down the grid...
In my oppinion all positions (except maybe last place) should get some amount of points.
I've been saying this for years... you could have a semi-decent mid-field car, that finishes consistently around 11-13, and only ever score a few points in a season, and then have a worse car that is one of the lucky ones on a freak weekend or two, and actually be ahead of the generally better performing car in the championship.
It's such a weird way of handling it.
The wife and I was amazed at the drive from both Alpines at Interlagos. They did an amazing job.
But jumping from second to last to 6th in the championship, this late in the season, from A SINGLE RACE, should just not be possible.
As I see it, it takes away the fighting spirit of the people who's already down, from bad results. Give them something to fight for... in the last 3rd of almost every race, the backmarkers just turn on autopilot, because it makes NO difference if they finish 17 or 12.
Consistency should be the main part of the championships... not freak results.
29mil sounds like chump change in F1. Especially when you know Verstappen makes 35mil per year in RB..
More like 55 mil
Where's the Lance Stroll video? You're due. 😆
Would be funny if haas and RB jump them again before the end of the season
I’ll be sad now if Haas only get 8th after 6th was on the table. Had Haas got that double podium (which would’ve been amazing vibes) then they’d be challenging Aston Martin for 5th. Imagine Aston losing to Haas, Lawrence Stroll would ragequit and not unjustifiably so 😂
Be interesting if they can unlock why they were quick in those conditions. I suspect the car is actually decent but stalling in the dry somewhere or tyre temps are a major issue. Interesting.
Seems they worked out how to make the car drive well in the wet conditions, but not in the dry.
Finally you post about Alpine and the other teams……
Lets see what they can do with a proper engine!
but will they score anymore in 2024?
brazil was a one off meme race.
Think they can, at least one alpine been getting q3s consistently last few races
The slowest car in F1 paddock came in second and third place in the slowest race. Plus Max and RB being the slowest of the top three teams won the slowest race of the year.
Meanwhile at Sauber: 🗿🗿🗿
That was such a Flavio statement, lmao
It was seriously NOT deserved. They've done nothing to earn those points.
Renault on the verge of finally quitting and their car was on the verge of finally winning. How very French.
That 30 mil is for the new Mercedes engines and gearbox.....
truly magical indeed
It is kind of payback from their crash in Melbourne 2023 which seems like the race their goodluck started and also ended...
This result proves that they have a good chassis and an underpowered powertrain
we got alpine double podium before gta 6
le freak, c'est chic
Alpine: 2nd & 3rd freak result
Verstappen: 1st amazing result, driver of the century
The Edd Straw comedy show is back
You didn't actually watch the video before writing this did you?
Better lucky than good
IDK man, those are the rules, that is the system, it was legal. I find no way of questioning how “valid” it should be, everyone had the same opportunity, they were the ones that didn’t miss it. I’ve people say it shouldn’t be possible.
It shouldnt be possible becuase fia give money based on the standings to the teams and a shitty teams is going to get milions instead of teams that were much much better
@@Ghost0fDeath1I'm guessing this is a feels-based statement and not a statistically validated one, because Alpine driver performances have largely been ahead of Williams if you look at points finishes, and when they've been behind, it's been close.
@@n8pls543 did i talk a single time about williams or you are just brainless?
Alpine is a bad Team that give it's own engine up. It is really really sad, and the complete top Managers at Renault are insane. You can See IT, that Briatore is back.
I wish it was haas
The fluke podiums have lost them wind tunnel and cfd time.
Does Reanult really need the extra cash when it cant actually be spent due to the cost cap?
No.
Edit, its fantastic for moral. Just what they needed.
Is any
anyone going to buy the FWON stock?
Lance Stroll DISASTER
Alpine will be good next season..
Renault come back?