also Tarquini (pronouned Tar-kweeni) is a multiple world touring car champion. All the average F1 drivers are chamions elsewhere. Pretty crazy to think thata how competative it is at the top.
@@OK-fi4yq Just not true. Marcus got a couple wins as he bagged a ride at a great team, but he’s pretty mid in indycar too. For some reason, though, he’s pretty fast at Indianapolis. If you’re gonna have one track that fits your driving style, it might as well be the most famous one in the world
@@ForzaPolska06 Lets just say he was an extremely mid F1 driver. Not necessarily an extremely mid MOTORSPORT driver in general, as he's actually pretty good in Indy.
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Which is still funny because Jos' mid-ness is pretty much the result of 'always overshadowed by a better teammate'. The one time Jos had the machinery needed to kick ass and take names his teammate was a relatively unknown German by the name of... *Michael Schumacher*. After that his career just always spiralled downward because every time he got a car it was either worse than his previous car, or his teammate was as good if not better than him.
@@MrBlueBurd0451 completely wrong. Verstappen was no match for Schumacher obviously but he also didn't have the same equipment. He faired well against pretty much every other team mate he had (other than half a season against Barrichello). But I suppose it's easy to beat up on Jos Verstappen right 🤷♂️🤦♂️
@@MrBlueBurd0451 Tbh Jos did pretty great after Michael Schumacher. The only ones that even were a bit of a match were Rubens, De La Rosa and occasionally Bernoldi.
I love how all of the most average drivers here had success in other disciplines, Pirro at Le Mans and Cecotto on bikes as you mentioned, but also Ericsson an Indy 500 winner and Tarquini a BTCC champion - maybe the most average F1 career is to come in with a lot of talent, never get an opportunity in a top team, and then find somewhere else where you can actually prove yourself.
Exactly, I love this conclusion: an average F1 driver is a top-tier race car driver. Tarquini is not just a BTCC winner, he won ETCC, WTCC and WTCR championships as well, the last one in 2018, at 56 years of age, he raced touring cars until 59!
So the most average drivers are a motorcycle driver, a Le Mans winner, an Indy 500 winner and the driver with the worst qualifying record... Checks out.
Even Tarquini is a long-time legend in touring cars, with several European and world championship titles (not that anyone actually cares that much about touring car world championships, but still).
Could we take a page from baseball stats and create a stat like WAR (wins above replacement) that values how a player is copared to a replacement level rider... Like a stat called VAM (value above markus) that compares every driver's career to erikson's and sees which drives had a career that was a net positive or net negative compared to the most average driver in the last 30 years?
but war measures against season averages you would have to find the average driver for each season, which would also prob be more representative than the measurements he was using
It’d be interesting to see how the current grid (and maybe the past 5 yrs or so) stacks up against this, both to determine whether that’s still the case for the majority of drivers and just for funsies Be pretty awful for poor Marcus given the importance of the car to literally have an average standard named after him though, it’s pretty crazy to even get in to F1 so getting an avg stamp on your metaphorical forehead is a bit sad lol
I was betting on Hulk, but Ericsson makes sense. That said, the ending sounds like it's something bad, he is better than half of every driver it ever raced in F1, that's a crazy good stat!! I'd love to get the list and see which shocking ones are on the lower half of that list!
Peter Brook posted a video of all F1 drivers of all time, ranked by points as if every race had today's scoring. You know one driver who was very very close to the middle of the list? Lella Lombardi. To be exact, she was slightly above the middle. By about 10-20 positions or so.
Too long a career id guess. Need to find the average career length (maybe 3, r seasons?). I thought it would be someone like Thierry Boutsen or some other 80s/early 90s driver (Naninni? Although he might have won a race)
I feel like the amount of self induced crashes and their severity (so no mechanical failures) would make another interesting aspect in this so that we know when to actually call someone crash prone. Loved the video, been watching you for about a year and a half now!
Oh man I love it! Seeing Marcus Ericsson made giggle as he was definitely a classic backmarker driver. I loved him in F1 and like how he developed after that btw, but he's such a driver that you tend to forgot when you think about who was racing in the seasons he was there. I think that title suits him well, and having Piquet Jr, Alguershuari and Stoffel Vandoorne makes it even better because all three of them came to my mind when I first read the video title
I did this a while ago, and while you clarify this is about the median, it's worth pointing out that if you used mean, you'd find its Ginner Nilsson with 31 starts, 1 win, 4 podiums, 1 fastest lap, 1 DNS, 21 laps led and 31 points. The 2 biggest outliers in his stats were 18 retirements (58% of starts) and a best starting grid position of 3rd.
Oh god 😂 I guess I also need to include number of wings, number of brake pedals, number of diamonds embedded in the nose and number of massive fans at the back that shoot stones at people
At first i saw a video from this channel, so i thought "oh sweet, i will watch a video from the past". And when i notice it is 44 minutes ago, im crying with happiness
@@MoreThan7Digits yeah, this prediction was before i watched the video, so i had no idea just how bad the average career was. I guess i was close geographically
Dear Mr V, Please post the spreadsheet so I can use the data to confirm my biases. Sincerely, Someone who would like to laugh at Jos Verstappen being below average
My mother has literally told me to ask you to do a "who would have won with the old points systems" for nascar. I had to explain that you're not into nascar 😂 (she's here for the spreadsheets) This was a delight of a video! 10/10 :D
Haha you can tell her that I can run the numbers but I'll have no clue what I'm talking about so would make myself look like an even bigger idiot than normal 😂
Nice work! I do wish that you had added a decimal place or two for all those stats that averaged to zero. It would’ve helped give context to whether it was 0.49 or 0.01.
Would still be 0 as it's the median, so it's literally just the stat borrowed from the guy in the middle each time. Because we had an even number of people it's actually the mid point of two people which is how we got some .5 stats
I wonder who’s closest to that average ranking of the last 30 and all f1 on the current f1 grid. I feel like it’d be zhou for last 30, and sergeant for all f1 based on gut and quick mental reasoning
What's the most average f1 car of all time? It could be interesting watching cars like the Mclaren mp4/4 and Ferrari F2004 compete against The HRT F112 or Andrea Moda S291.
How do you "only" have (now 62k) subs?! I think I watched the F1 ELO thing and just assumed at least a few 100k, anyway, you'll get there and this is as-usual amazing.
The only real way to judge a drivers driving is to the performance potential of the car on a race by race basis, which no-one really does. For example, If Magnussen and Norris swapped cars for every race in their careers, how different would the narratives be for both of them? What would Sainz look like after 3 years in an uncompetative sauber? Zero drivers can overcome the performance gap of the cars ultimately, just maximise the potential of the car, which Bottas could be doing every weekend for all we know.
My guess would be a driver who's had a unremarkable career which was longer than 2 seasons but not more than 5. Maybe a few 4th/5th places but never really challenging for podiums/wins (surely a podium/win is better than average?). I thought of both Nannini and Boutsen from the 80s, but they both won races and Boutsen had a 10 year career. If Nannini hadn't won a race, he would be a good candidate. Maybe De Cesaris? Remember him being the Stroll of the 80s. It's going to be something from that era (unless I'm totally proven incompetent and incorrect)
Video suggestion: one of the complaints of modern F1 is that the cars are too wide and that its detrimental to racing. So what if we make the classic tracks wider by the same margin, and figure out if that increases the spectacle?
Not that simple sadly as it ruins the lines through corner complexes and basically makes all tracks easier. You could make tracks longer to accommodate but then the speed of the cars doesn't match as well. The simple answer is we just need to make the cars smaller again
Is it an idea to get the average driver by comparing the scored % of available points? For example: Verstappen now has 403 points, divide that by the total points available for the full season, do this for each season to get a ranking of average % of available points scored. Could this be a way to not have to rework the scoring system for all the older season and seasons with more/less races?
I think a second spreadsheet should be created which gives a compensatory score factor for the team’s constructors title results and weighs that into this. For example, Ericsson was OK but never had top equipment. Pierluigi Martini was a bit of a surprise but have to remember Minardi were solid midfield runners during his heyday. This is a quantitative spreadsheet but does not consider the qualitative aspects of their machinery.
Question: Would you be able to do a video on the average driver according to every 2024 driver’s statistics (ofc, would include Sergeant, Bearman, Colapinto, etc.)?
Posting before I watch because I am interested to see what you say, since there have been at least 777 people start and F1 Grand Prix,only 215 people have podiumed, and only 115 different drivers have won one, so I would say the average driver is probably finishing in 6th/7th/8th, and probably earned most of their money by working at a Ferrari/Maserati dealer or test driving for Mercedes-Benz.
I recognized the name Gabrielle Tarquini and I couldn't figure out why. I looked him up and he did WTCC and other touring cars for a long time. He was even world champion at some point
Average is a difficult thing to quantify, given the disparities between the top cars, midfield cars, and backmarkers. That said, I would define "average" in F1 as "as good as his or her equipment", which means neither overperforming nor underperforming relative to the performance of the car (compared to the other cars on the grid).
When i saw the title i was thinking of guys like Patrese, Fisichella, Panis, Heidfeld. They were good, but not good enough to get many chances on top teams.
I remember Ericsson because he pushed Grosjean out during a safety car. I remember it like it was yesterday, with total clarity. It was the most serious accident Grosjean ever had.
I have a feeling that if you looked at the drivers who have the least deviation from the mean falling somewhere in the middle for drivers from let's say 1985 onwards you'll end up with Nicola Larini, who had 49 starts and 7 points, with the first entry at 23.5 years of age.
Mark Blundell seems to fit a lot better - started in karting, British (there are a lot of Brits out there), then fitting into some punditry and running a company related to cars...
You forgot one fun statistical anamoly: The highest rate of retirements per race start and the highest rate of disqualifications per race start is technically not calculateable. In the 1977 German GP, the absolute madman Hans Heyer failed to qualify for the race. He refused to let that stop him - And lined up on the grid for the race anyway. Nobody noticed, and in lap 9, his engine gave up. Afterwards the stewards realized "Who on earth is that guy who just retired?", and disqualified him for good measure. So despite having zero race starts, Hans Heyer has one DNF and one DSQ to his name.
My guess for the modern era was Timo Glock. I got close on the length of career but completely forgot he got 3 podiums, which put him way above. Hilarious.
funny thing is, Ericsson won the Indy 500 in 2022
you can't escape the Indy 500
I wanted to write it too but you beat me to it🤣
r/beatmetoit
also Tarquini (pronouned Tar-kweeni) is a multiple world touring car champion. All the average F1 drivers are chamions elsewhere. Pretty crazy to think thata how competative it is at the top.
Yep! From the screenshot at 15:23, the name Mark Blundell sound much more average
Being able to say that the most average F1 is an Indy 500 winner is deeply funny.
Don't worry, he's mid in Indycar too.
That's the only thing of note Ericsson's done in IndyCar. 99% of the time he's mid
F1 elitists will try to use this to discredit indycar more
Aside from that win. He’s been mid throughout all his seasons despite being in top teams.
1 race, on an oval =/= indycar champ
Good luck/timing has more of an effect on ovals sometimes too
How ironic that the most MID driver since 1994 is an Indianapolis 500 winner...
Since 1950 you mean
Indy is contested predominantly by drivers who aren't close to being good enough for F1 so it's not a crazy stat in reality
It's not ironic, considering the mid pack drivers usually join some other division and win something - Le Mans etc.
@@OK-fi4yq Just not true. Marcus got a couple wins as he bagged a ride at a great team, but he’s pretty mid in indycar too. For some reason, though, he’s pretty fast at Indianapolis. If you’re gonna have one track that fits your driving style, it might as well be the most famous one in the world
@@sidneyshore5621 list the drivers good enough for F1...
What would Marcus Ericsson do?
Well, he'd go and win the Indy 500 to un-mid himself, wouldn't he...
Thanks for the spoiler
I think he would have hit Grosjean
He is still fairly mid though
Not really amazing over a season despite good machinery
But that 500 win will be on his record forever
@@ForzaPolska06 Lets just say he was an extremely mid F1 driver. Not necessarily an extremely mid MOTORSPORT driver in general, as he's actually pretty good in Indy.
@@TomBlu16or are you saying that on average good Indy car drivers are actually quite average F1 drivers? 😮😮😮
So when grosjean’s engineer said I think Ericsson hit us, he was really just referring to any F1 driver. It all makes sense now
I think a driver hit us.
Well it kinda still doesn't because nobody hit him. Saying Ericsson was just as wrong as any other driver. Still funny though
The average driver did not hit him. Median or mean.
😂
He evens looks like a real human bean
Jos Verstappen being somewhat in contention for most mid driver is hilarious in it's own right.
He had by far the longest “mid” career, spanning 10 years, which is mad
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Which is still funny because Jos' mid-ness is pretty much the result of 'always overshadowed by a better teammate'. The one time Jos had the machinery needed to kick ass and take names his teammate was a relatively unknown German by the name of... *Michael Schumacher*. After that his career just always spiralled downward because every time he got a car it was either worse than his previous car, or his teammate was as good if not better than him.
@@MrBlueBurd0451 completely wrong. Verstappen was no match for Schumacher obviously but he also didn't have the same equipment. He faired well against pretty much every other team mate he had (other than half a season against Barrichello). But I suppose it's easy to beat up on Jos Verstappen right 🤷♂️🤦♂️
@@MrBlueBurd0451 Tbh Jos did pretty great after Michael Schumacher. The only ones that even were a bit of a match were Rubens, De La Rosa and occasionally Bernoldi.
Don't worry, I'm sure he didn't take it out on his son
Petition to retroactivly remove the Indy 500 from all Formula 1 statistics
Petition to add the Indy 500 to the official f1 season
Petition to add horse racing to F1 statistics.
@ really no reason not to. It’s mostly about the horse.
@@n64p3I would really like that tbh.
@@n64p3 at least this time the tyre brands won't boycott 🙂
I love how all of the most average drivers here had success in other disciplines, Pirro at Le Mans and Cecotto on bikes as you mentioned, but also Ericsson an Indy 500 winner and Tarquini a BTCC champion - maybe the most average F1 career is to come in with a lot of talent, never get an opportunity in a top team, and then find somewhere else where you can actually prove yourself.
Exactly, I love this conclusion: an average F1 driver is a top-tier race car driver.
Tarquini is not just a BTCC winner, he won ETCC, WTCC and WTCR championships as well, the last one in 2018, at 56 years of age, he raced touring cars until 59!
Also in the final graph, you see Piquet Jr and Vandoorne became Formula E champions
I mean really makes sense, if you are just average in the top of the top of the sport you are still pretty much top everywhere else in the sport.
We back spreadsheeting. Very nice.
Toto, its called Nerdiness, we went Spreadsheeting
Mr Avg also won an Indy 500 just to go full circle
Full circle?
It's more like a rectangle but I get you
Full oval
@@MrVsGarage you never go full rectangle
Some other candidates for the MAOAT title: Jos Verstappen, Nelson Piquet Jr.... I guess feeling average leads men to do debatable things
Glad you picked that up with your most average brain.
I don’t think child abuse is debatable 😭
@@notaspeck6104well, considering the result......
It resulted in someone who won 4 championships? You mean like Seb? Who by all accounts has an incredibly loving father? @@Jason-jb1vs
So the most average drivers are a motorcycle driver, a Le Mans winner, an Indy 500 winner and the driver with the worst qualifying record... Checks out.
Even Tarquini is a long-time legend in touring cars, with several European and world championship titles (not that anyone actually cares that much about touring car world championships, but still).
I mean average in the top of the top of motorsports makes you top in the top of anything below that.
Could we take a page from baseball stats and create a stat like WAR (wins above replacement) that values how a player is copared to a replacement level rider... Like a stat called VAM (value above markus) that compares every driver's career to erikson's and sees which drives had a career that was a net positive or net negative compared to the most average driver in the last 30 years?
but war measures against season averages you would have to find the average driver for each season, which would also prob be more representative than the measurements he was using
@@ljoreilly1068also a problem with separating drivers from car performance. Don’t think it’s doable with f1
It’d be interesting to see how the current grid (and maybe the past 5 yrs or so) stacks up against this, both to determine whether that’s still the case for the majority of drivers and just for funsies
Be pretty awful for poor Marcus given the importance of the car to literally have an average standard named after him though, it’s pretty crazy to even get in to F1 so getting an avg stamp on your metaphorical forehead is a bit sad lol
I was betting on Hulk, but Ericsson makes sense.
That said, the ending sounds like it's something bad, he is better than half of every driver it ever raced in F1, that's a crazy good stat!!
I'd love to get the list and see which shocking ones are on the lower half of that list!
Hulk has been in the sport a fairly long time, even with the gaps
@@borandiUK also he has 1 pole and a fuckton of points finishes, despite not being able to get a podium even if he drives a W11
well the lower end will be filled with drivers with few races
The face of microsft excel right here 😂
Somehow I'm not surprised it is Ericsson
My gut said it HAD to be a Sauber driver, I thought Giovinazzi or Ericsson
I think Ericsson hit us.
Wow thank you for ruining the video
@@Wochroch Your own fault for reading comments before you watch. 😂
Peter Brook posted a video of all F1 drivers of all time, ranked by points as if every race had today's scoring. You know one driver who was very very close to the middle of the list? Lella Lombardi. To be exact, she was slightly above the middle. By about 10-20 positions or so.
not today, he ranked by 2025 point system, where no points given for fl
So thats why they uppgraded to Ronnie Pettersson.
I pictured Stoffel, glad he wasn't far away.
Same
My guess was Klien, and he was also on the list.
Pedro de la Rosa was the first to come to my mind, but I guess he was in the sport for too long
15:20 oh i like that name jos verstappen looks like his son will have a great career 😂😂
Definitely Jos's son sounds like he could be a multi World Champion
Supported by Nelson Piquet jr's sister
For some reason the first driver that came to my mind when i was the title was Nico hulkenberg, let's see how close i was
Ok I was pretty close but had to go a bit further north for the true mid driver from recent years
Too long a career id guess. Need to find the average career length (maybe 3, r seasons?).
I thought it would be someone like Thierry Boutsen or some other 80s/early 90s driver (Naninni? Although he might have won a race)
me too
Nah, Nico has got a lot of races
@@Mydigitalepitaph Boutsen won 3 races, def not average
I feel like the amount of self induced crashes and their severity (so no mechanical failures) would make another interesting aspect in this so that we know when to actually call someone crash prone. Loved the video, been watching you for about a year and a half now!
Logan Sargeant is not amused
@@Dorasaurus05 So car killers like Brambrilla get off scot free? TBF, it's not a bad idea, but remember, car murder is bad!😉
Oh man I love it!
Seeing Marcus Ericsson made giggle as he was definitely a classic backmarker driver. I loved him in F1 and like how he developed after that btw, but he's such a driver that you tend to forgot when you think about who was racing in the seasons he was there.
I think that title suits him well, and having Piquet Jr, Alguershuari and Stoffel Vandoorne makes it even better because all three of them came to my mind when I first read the video title
Hahah great video, such a fun buildup to the great reveal. I couldn't help but chuckle at how well Ericsson fits for that. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it! I had a lot of fun making this one!
I did this a while ago, and while you clarify this is about the median, it's worth pointing out that if you used mean, you'd find its Ginner Nilsson with 31 starts, 1 win, 4 podiums, 1 fastest lap, 1 DNS, 21 laps led and 31 points.
The 2 biggest outliers in his stats were 18 retirements (58% of starts) and a best starting grid position of 3rd.
Love the video! If you ever do "most average F1 car", don't forget to include the numbers of wheels it has.
Oh god 😂 I guess I also need to include number of wings, number of brake pedals, number of diamonds embedded in the nose and number of massive fans at the back that shoot stones at people
Or fans of course
@@MrVsGarage Don't forget Number of teams (thinking of a certain arrows car that made its way around a bunch of slower teams in the 2000s)
0:19 bro u had the perfect chance to use the 2005 US GP or 2021 US GP there
Fun fact: to all of us who grew up listening to murray walker, his name is pronounced in all caps: ' GABRIELE TARQUINI'
Thanks
At first i saw a video from this channel, so i thought "oh sweet, i will watch a video from the past". And when i notice it is 44 minutes ago, im crying with happiness
13:40 Tarquini even has his own DNPQ record for his racing number. He is him
"Average career length 4.5 seasons"
Mmmmm the blood of getting deleted mid season runs deep
15:10 "there's something about you, it's hard to explain"
When I think of an average driver people like Adrian Sutil come to mind
The fact that the most average F1 driver won Indy 500 shows how INCREDIBLY good F1 drivers are.
Yes but also please don't think that Ericsson is the best driver in Indycar 😂
@@MrVsGarage Of course not. But the fact that he's completely ordinary in F1 makes the Indy 500 win very special.
A swede being the most average driver is beautiful, perfectly lagom.
My first thought was Kevin Magnussen, 1 podium, decently long career, quite a few points, but not a staggering amount
yeah but he has a pole and long careers are really bad
also a lot of points just his podium alone puts him as high as ericcson
@@MoreThan7Digits yeah, this prediction was before i watched the video, so i had no idea just how bad the average career was. I guess i was close geographically
@@opsyko3310 yeah true
Nico most starts without a poduim
Andrea De Cesaris has to have had the craziest F1 career in history. Multiple videos could be made on just him alone
The Colin Mccrae of f1
A few minutes in and I was thinking Jos Verstappen. Pleased to see I wasn't too far off.
The dad of a world champion F1,a Formula-E world champion,the son of a world champion F1,bloody Marcus Ericsson
What is this graph 😂😂😂
that's some crazy analysis as always
Honestly thought it was going to be Sebastian Buemi, loved the video!
Actually Tarquini comes from my town here in Italy and he Is the uncle of one of my friends at school 😂
That's the content I subscribed for. Great stuff!
Amazing video! One suggestion tho, if you don’t want to look at variance each time you can instead do furthest from the middle.
My gut check at the start was De la Rosa but he had access to a very above average Mclaren
I had a suspicion it was going to be Ericsson, bit ironic that he won the Indy 500 though
The Indy 500 haunts me in everything I do
The modern most average makes an incredible amount of sense
4:36 Checking our GOAT Latifi's stats against this is hilarious :D
Finally a real mr. V video. Please don't become a streamer, but keep making these videos. You contribute way more doing this
Fuck off, it's his channel he produces the content he wishes
congrats on 50K dude🎉 found you a while back, im now hooked to all vids.❤
15:20 interesting how many of these guys were well beaten by their teammates. A head to head comparison weighted using the teammates ELO would be fun
Already had Mark Blundell in my head for this video. So glad he's here. Possibly my favourite mid driver
JOHNNY CECOTTO MENTIONED!!
Dear Mr V, Please post the spreadsheet so I can use the data to confirm my biases. Sincerely, Someone who would like to laugh at Jos Verstappen being below average
The fact that the indy 500 driver didnt even won this chalange makes him the most avarege driver anyway lmao what a paradox
I haven't watched yout channel before but this vid is fire 🔥 keep it up
My mother has literally told me to ask you to do a "who would have won with the old points systems" for nascar. I had to explain that you're not into nascar 😂 (she's here for the spreadsheets)
This was a delight of a video! 10/10 :D
Haha you can tell her that I can run the numbers but I'll have no clue what I'm talking about so would make myself look like an even bigger idiot than normal 😂
@@MrVsGarage do it
fantastic video thanks for making it
7:54 Mr. Twenty-two in a rown himself. That’s right. He didn't finish a single race through an entire season
Nice work! I do wish that you had added a decimal place or two for all those stats that averaged to zero. It would’ve helped give context to whether it was 0.49 or 0.01.
Would still be 0 as it's the median, so it's literally just the stat borrowed from the guy in the middle each time. Because we had an even number of people it's actually the mid point of two people which is how we got some .5 stats
13:45 Interestingly though, all three of them had very successful touring car careers, with each winning some series.
I wonder who’s closest to that average ranking of the last 30 and all f1 on the current f1 grid. I feel like it’d be zhou for last 30, and sergeant for all f1 based on gut and quick mental reasoning
What's the most average f1 car of all time?
It could be interesting watching cars like the Mclaren mp4/4 and Ferrari F2004 compete against The HRT F112 or Andrea Moda S291.
Name a more iconic rivalry than Mr. V vs. Indy 500
Seeing the list of mid drivers at the end is truly accurate. A good portion of those 2005-2010 midfielders represent average in my mind.
Great stuff (as usual). I would have bet money it was gonna be the King of 11th Place, Esteban Gutierrez. Ericsson's a solid result though.
He was very close, just off the side of that graph at the end
How do you "only" have (now 62k) subs?! I think I watched the F1 ELO thing and just assumed at least a few 100k, anyway, you'll get there and this is as-usual amazing.
Watching the start of the video I was thinking about Stoffel Vandoorne and i'm glad he's in the 5 most average drivers
Mr V
Idea for the next video:
The most average team in F1.
Immediately thought of Nico Hulkenberg but he is in the sport for a very long time certainly more than an average driver would be.
He also has a pole position and a ton of career points.
The only real way to judge a drivers driving is to the performance potential of the car on a race by race basis, which no-one really does.
For example, If Magnussen and Norris swapped cars for every race in their careers, how different would the narratives be for both of them? What would Sainz look like after 3 years in an uncompetative sauber? Zero drivers can overcome the performance gap of the cars ultimately, just maximise the potential of the car, which Bottas could be doing every weekend for all we know.
Ericsonn is really mid though so apparently it worked
but i see your point, ericsonn only drove mid / shite cars his carreer
imagine right if he drove the merc.
@@TakodaTGL All being said, I agree with Ericsson being most mid 😅
missed opportunity to put the famous Murray Walker "ouh ouh it's Tarquini"- clip in there
My guess would be a driver who's had a unremarkable career which was longer than 2 seasons but not more than 5. Maybe a few 4th/5th places but never really challenging for podiums/wins (surely a podium/win is better than average?).
I thought of both Nannini and Boutsen from the 80s, but they both won races and Boutsen had a 10 year career.
If Nannini hadn't won a race, he would be a good candidate.
Maybe De Cesaris? Remember him being the Stroll of the 80s.
It's going to be something from that era (unless I'm totally proven incompetent and incorrect)
When the shadow popped up right at the end i the name “Esteban Guttierez” just popped into my head
Video suggestion: one of the complaints of modern F1 is that the cars are too wide and that its detrimental to racing. So what if we make the classic tracks wider by the same margin, and figure out if that increases the spectacle?
Not that simple sadly as it ruins the lines through corner complexes and basically makes all tracks easier. You could make tracks longer to accommodate but then the speed of the cars doesn't match as well. The simple answer is we just need to make the cars smaller again
What's even better is that Ericsson got preferential treatment his whole F1 career until LeClerc became is teammate at Sauber!
Back with some spreadsheet content... Yesss!!
Is it an idea to get the average driver by comparing the scored % of available points? For example: Verstappen now has 403 points, divide that by the total points available for the full season, do this for each season to get a ranking of average % of available points scored. Could this be a way to not have to rework the scoring system for all the older season and seasons with more/less races?
Why don't you just run those numbers through Excel and entertain yourself so no one else has to sit through that?
I think a second spreadsheet should be created which gives a compensatory score factor for the team’s constructors title results and weighs that into this.
For example, Ericsson was OK but never had top equipment.
Pierluigi Martini was a bit of a surprise but have to remember Minardi were solid midfield runners during his heyday.
This is a quantitative spreadsheet but does not consider the qualitative aspects of their machinery.
Question:
Would you be able to do a video on the average driver according to every 2024 driver’s statistics (ofc, would include Sergeant, Bearman, Colapinto, etc.)?
Posting before I watch because I am interested to see what you say, since there have been at least 777 people start and F1 Grand Prix,only 215 people have podiumed, and only 115 different drivers have won one, so I would say the average driver is probably finishing in 6th/7th/8th, and probably earned most of their money by working at a Ferrari/Maserati dealer or test driving for Mercedes-Benz.
I recognized the name Gabrielle Tarquini and I couldn't figure out why. I looked him up and he did WTCC and other touring cars for a long time. He was even world champion at some point
Average is a difficult thing to quantify, given the disparities between the top cars, midfield cars, and backmarkers. That said, I would define "average" in F1 as "as good as his or her equipment", which means neither overperforming nor underperforming relative to the performance of the car (compared to the other cars on the grid).
When i saw the title i was thinking of guys like Patrese, Fisichella, Panis, Heidfeld. They were good, but not good enough to get many chances on top teams.
Now predict what non F1 driver would do best in Formula 1
I've run the numbers and it says Lightning McQueen 🤷♂️
Great video. Pity about your pronunciation of Tarquini and Ceccoto
This is Excel degeneracy not an Italian lesson, I research the names but it's hard to find clips of people saying these specific ones
Meaningless F1 data + excel sheets = heaven! I'm a man with a very sad life. 😆
You're not the only one 😅
Make a video about f1 drivers/Prospects who went to indycar right after
I remember Ericsson because he pushed Grosjean out during a safety car. I remember it like it was yesterday, with total clarity. It was the most serious accident Grosjean ever had.
I have a feeling that if you looked at the drivers who have the least deviation from the mean falling somewhere in the middle for drivers from let's say 1985 onwards you'll end up with Nicola Larini, who had 49 starts and 7 points, with the first entry at 23.5 years of age.
All of those drivers around Ericsson were SO MID
50,000 people being entertained by spreadsheets? Dude, you have a gift. Or I need to be more afraid for the world than I was already. Keep 'em coming.
Mark Blundell seems to fit a lot better - started in karting, British (there are a lot of Brits out there), then fitting into some punditry and running a company related to cars...
You forgot one fun statistical anamoly: The highest rate of retirements per race start and the highest rate of disqualifications per race start is technically not calculateable. In the 1977 German GP, the absolute madman Hans Heyer failed to qualify for the race. He refused to let that stop him - And lined up on the grid for the race anyway. Nobody noticed, and in lap 9, his engine gave up. Afterwards the stewards realized "Who on earth is that guy who just retired?", and disqualified him for good measure. So despite having zero race starts, Hans Heyer has one DNF and one DSQ to his name.
My guess for the modern era was Timo Glock. I got close on the length of career but completely forgot he got 3 podiums, which put him way above. Hilarious.
I like the way you say converting points to modern ones for everyone would take ages... as if you don't already have a spreadsheet with that on
Holy crabs how do you already have 60K subscribers, I subscribed when you had like 9K about 5 months ago
Haha I think it's been over a year since I had 9k. Time flies when you're locked in an Excel prison 🤷♂️
Hell yes, Mr. V returns
Do this again, but convert the points, or use someone who already has, Peter Brook did, I think he has a full spreadsheet but I’m not sure
The fact that Mr. V still only has 50k subs is a travesty.
Me waiting for Fernando Alonso's McLaren stint to come in and weigh against his Renault stint to somehow make him win THIS comparison TOO