Only if you ignore everything. The rejected a privateer. They accepted a full manufacturer. F1 have been aiming for manufacturers for years. Claiming it is wholly personal is just ignoring years of F1 aiming to attract manufacturers. Why would we ignore that?
@ claiming utter misinformation is just ridiculous. There was a clear issue between Michael Andretti and the ceo of f1. Something about Michael and ceo of f1 wife having an affair. Also Michaels attitude when he was in the sport before. You’re spreading lies and it’s weird
@@harry4454 The rule changes coming in next year were designed with the input of GM, Porsche, Audi, the Volkswagen group leaders, Honda and Toyota. This was a long term process costing millions with the goal of attracting full manufacturers to F1. They didn't want a privateer let in the back-door by questionable means via the FIA president - he is just unfit for the role. Welcome to F1.
The Andretti erasure is crazy when they said TWG global instead of Andretti global. That's a level of pettiness I didn't realise possible because they're still able to name the team cadillac while the company is called Andretti.
It’s not coming from the GM side of things though. I don’t know what the backstory is, but people within Liberty really don’t like Michael. That’s what’s been holding their entry back all this time on the F1 side of things (that and the teams vetoing because of prize money dilution, but they’ve resolved that through entry fees most likely.) I wouldn’t be surprised if him backing down from his position and dropping the name was a tactical move from Michael himself. Once that Concorde agreement has been signed GM/Caddy/Andretti etc can appoint who they want and call themselves whatever they want.
@@vizsla54 Yeah functionally it makes no difference, but it really seems FOM/Liberty are the one who wanted that change and are intent on making sure the name Andretti doesn't show up anywhere, because I doubt Towriss, Walter, and GM actually wanted the Andretti name gone.
@@michaelwillis5929it’s for us dumb Americans anyways. They need to build the appeal of Miami and Vegas because nobody in the states likes those races either
This just confirms what we've known for a while now, if a team like Williams were to try and join the grid there's no way in hell they would ever get in, it's all about the manufacturers.
And manufacturers leave as soon as their investment doesn't pan out to their satisfaction, or the company changes direction, or the world's economy takes a downturn. Then they scurry out of F1 like rats on a sinking ship. People who want to race, want to put their blood, sweat and tears into racing in F1 have always made F1 special, not car companies who dabble in it for a few years before leaving.
Not necessarily manufacturers, just business that sell stuff all over the world. They’d still let in Red Bull, even Haas. They’d eagerly give Nike a team. They’re just not going to give a team to somebody who says “my business is racing cars”.
F1 has a lot of egg on after all of this. Tons of historic brands important to F1's history and current lineup weren't car manufacturers (or at least didn't start that way). McLaren, Williams, Ferrari, Jordan... Andretti is huge in motorsports and Mario is a former world champion. It's really sick how greedy this has all played out. I'm not saying Andretti is faultless here, but common. Meanwhile, Audi's off to an incredibly rough start, Porsche backed out and Renault is dropping out as a supplier. F1 isnt great because of brands, it's great because of individuals that want to go racing. Enzo, Champan, Bruce, Dietrich, Frank Williams and more...
The key takeaway from this is that private teams that weren't grandfathered in are effectively banned now. It seems like no matter how significant you and your brand are to motorsport, even if you bring a massive manufacturer with you and put all the necessary time and resources into proving how dedicated and determined you are to enter, that's still not enough for a new F1 team. You shouldn't need to buy a multi-billion dollar car manufacturer to be allowed entry into F1. You're right; many of the greatest Formula 1 teams started small only to become notable figures in Formula 1 later. Especially with Red Bull turning Toro Rosso into a cash cow after Dietrich's passing, the current state of Sauber and their controversial title sponsor, and the very embarrassing predicament Renault finds itself in, Formula 1 should be more open to new brands with a genuine passion for motorsport. Say what you want about Bernie Ecclestone. He was far from perfect, but at least he gave small teams, like Haas, a chance to enter Formula 1. Even if they didn't have a household name, that could bring more recognition to Formula 1.
F1's engine regs are too strict anyway, so some cylinder count variety would be nice. A 1.6L V8 would be an incredibly interesting engine concept to pursue.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859It'd be hilarious if they somehow made a crossplane V8 work at that displacement. It'd probably sound completely nuts too, like a pair of Yamaha M1 race bikes strapped together.
"Because we're going to lead by example in producing cars that emit slight less C02, while traveling the world using diesel trucks, ships, and planes".
From a European PoV he shot himself in the foot. F1 is still in essence an Old Boys club. The culture will not accept someone trying to jam their foot in the door to gain entry. Michael needed to learn to listen to what he was being told.
That will depend on two things. The first is that Aston and Mercedes have the contract to supply the safety cars. So, nothing will happen until that contract ends. Secondly they jave to pay for the privilege. The FIA and F1 see it as marketing as that's exactly what it is. And as such you have to pay large sums of money to them. Its definitely something I can see happening, though at some point. They could maybe do it as a brand tie in as the official sponsor of the races although that would probably only happen once each year and my bet would be Vegas as its seen at the American Monaco GP.
Andretti never owned the team looking to enter F1. Initially it was thought by the investors that his name would open doors. They quickly found out that the opposite was true. F1 fired Greg Maffei who was the face of the anti Andretti camp last week just as the new team let Michael step down. With those two gone an agreement was easily reached.
I used to work for Cadillac! Was a automotive technician for them. Worked for Honda recently for 5 years. Glad about Honda winning 4 years in a row. But, would be excited to see Cadillac race F1.
@@mclover3150 which manufacturer would you like to work for? Or you want to work on any car that needs work? (Auto Shop) I started repair/maintenance work on Toyotas because the school I went to, which was Job Corps. I didn’t have to pay for it. I like working on Honda. They’re easy.
GM and Honda does make sense - Both parties worked together to develop the hybrid engine for IndyCar. Additionally GM & Honda are partnering for hybrid/electric technologies in road vehicles.
@@thomasr.bartonjd7815 GM is partnering with both Honda and Hyundai in the road cars. However, none of that matters, as GM has already posted on their website that they are partnering with Ferrari as their supplier
It absolutely sounds like a personal vendetta again Michael Andretti when as soon as he steps down the team is given the green light. What I also see is Michael accepting that right F1M won't let him realize the dream, but not letting that kill the dream for the rest of the team members.
Only partially my money's on a combination of 3. One the Andretti name means nothing outside the US. Yeah Mario's a former world champ, but while the family is a royal family stateside you can ask someone from any other country to name 100 great drivers and they wouldnt make the list. Andretti came in and rubbed everyone the wrong way. Renault has since left so they need a new engine
I know Michael is divisive, but for F1 to snub the Andretti name is petty. Mario is an F1 World Champion, and somehow that connection doesn't help (but in fact, hurts) the bid. Seems backwards to me
Because they aren't *European,* and the Good Old Boys in F1 can't handle an actual American-run team. The only reason this deal went forward is that Renault killed their engine program, and GM guaranteed a replacement manufacturer.
@@benjaminbrockway5998So they don’t let Andretti in because he’s American yet they’re still willing to have Cadillac, an American manufacturer join? Are you dumb?
@benjaminbrockway5998 On the European front the point is more he's not a legend in Europe, yeah he's a former world champ but instead of being racing royalty like he is in the US it's a case of asking anyone outside of the US to name 100 great drivers and he probably wouldn't make their list Essentially his name has no value outside of one country and he came to the party upsetting everyone not called Zak Brown.
@@justin4911 So if I ask a random NASCAR fan who the most successful WEC driver of all time is or a Super GT fan who’s the most successful WRC driver is you’ll be willing to bet they’d be able to give the right answer?
10:42 The fact that the application is slightly different does not prove the pressure of the DOJ investigation didnt play a major factor... Additionally, the fact the approved application was for 2026 instead of 2028 suggests the opposite. Other than in name, what was approved is incredibly similar to the final Andretti/Cadillac application.
Yea I think that is being broadly underappreciated, although likely because this is seen to make that problem go away as part of a tacit agreement or understanding vs. an actual consent decree or similar. Probably a good idea because who wants the Feds going through your company's emails and also the new administration wouldn't take kindly to something easily presented as Americans getting screwed out of a legitimate opportunity. Whatever; I'm just happy GM/Cadillac is going to be in F1. I'll be over the moon if it's "Cadillac F1 powered by Pontiac" when they get the PU as part of a low-risk Hummer-esque relaunch for 100 year Pontiac/250 year US anniversaries, but I admit that's a borderline pipe dream. Regardless, I'll adopt them as my national team. Especially if they can get something like a Palou/Newgarden driver pairing going.
It looks similar but the difference is that GM is paying and starts with a stake, so GM feels more pressure to not skip out if the team doesn't do well.
Agreed. I think part of it may be that European F1 journalists don't fully understand the gravity of a US DOJ investigation. It is a nearly identical proposal with altered branding and some personnel changes.
To me one of the BIG reasons for the change is the loss of Renault. To this end the GM entry fills the void left behind by Renault pulling out. F1 was lossing something in terms of the appearance of manufacturers in the sport and this maybe was something that they didn't want. With the two key figures heads leaving the repsective organisations ( FOM and Andretti ), it cleared the way for a "nice" way for this entry to enter the sport. We all believe that they will struggle for a number of years, but look at some of the teams who have been in the sport a long time and see their struggles. One can only hope that they can find form in four years time. However, let's just hope that they can do better than Sauber/Audi, as to me that is who I fell this entry is simialr to at this point. Glad to hear there will be more cars and therefore more seats to fill with a lot of young talent missing out on drives.
But why does f1 need to have the urgent need for manufacturers? Why are privateers ignored so brutally? Where are the times when you could just bring your passion of motorsport to the grid with your entrant, rather than only getting greedy manufacturers who are only there for the money?
He isn't getting a F1 team in his name... Yet... What do you think will happen once they are in? What will F1 tell them once they're in the grid, "We won't accept Andretti as a "main sponsor"? This is clearly F1 saving face of their Andretti rejection.
@yt.personal.identification he won't be sponsoring anything. Just as Dorilton splatters their name over Williams as the owner, so will Andretti once on the grid. Just wait for it
Dorilton is respecting the Williams namesake, they don’t want to put their name on it. Andretti has the cash and the pull, look what they’ve already done. Folks don’t know, this is the way to get the foot in the door, once they start winning under the caddy name, Andretti will pop up. Who the F is Kick or moneygram??? I knew Andretti 40 years ago. History lessons, folks.
Andretti winning formula 1, Daytona, endurance and Indianapolis. They’ve been here. Yes, they’re old, years of winning. What did Toto do before he got some cash? What did Horner do? Dick, that’s what. Andretti is the American Ferrari, they just don’t sell cars. They win on Sundays.
I still want the name on the team to be Andretti, but the team IS Andretti regardless. The Gainsbridge/Delaware Life/Group 1001 ownership (which is the TWG) already was a majority owner investor in the Andretti Indycar teams and Andretti Global and its satellite teams. So I think its basically just like Mercedes so it's a GM Cadilac/Gainsbridge/Andretti team with GM Cadilac being the namesake
10:42. "It's no longer an Cadillac badged Andretti team with a customer Renault engine". No, now it's just a Cadillac badged GM team with a customer Ferrari engine.
Personal take : Andretti & Cadillac struck a deal - Cadillac will back what remains a 99,9% Andretti team with their name to get them into F1. If it goes well, they stick around, if they want to pull out they can and a simply rebrand/“sell” to Andretti. Would be interested to know if this is a loophole Andretti/Cadillac have successfully identified.
Andretti would have to get a lot of money together and/or Cadillac would have to give a hefty discount. They are paying 450 million+ just to get in...without the other costs
More likely, GM will watch the primary engine supplier's progress and take any tech they can copy. There will be plenty of problems in US mfgs. operations inherent with political change. Don't be surprised if GM cuts this off quickly, as in the case of Pontiac or Oldsmobile.
I’m always surprised GM chooses to use the Cadillac brand for its racing teams - to me that’s a luxury brand, not a sports car brand. I’m surprised they don’t brand their racing teams as Corvette.
I don't have the quotes or stats to prove it, but my gut feeling is that GM's looking at the brands they'll be racing against and putting the brand most like their competitors into that mix. In sportscars and, at least historically, F1, you've got Jaguar, Mercedes, BMW, and so on--luxury brands that have reputable high-performance divisions. Cadillac is GM's answer to that class of competition, both on the track and in terms of market share in road car sales.
Corvette is a model, not a marque, and with Chevrolet dropping the Camaro, things like the Blackwing and V-Series make Cadillac a much more viable racing brand.
I mean Chevy/corvette is already doing quite well in wec, gt, and the American racing series, they don’t “need” extra clout from f1. Plus everyone knows that they are all gm at the end of the day
They have produced some of the best sports sedans on earth for quite some time. They've been the selected marque for most GM prototype racing since the 90s. Seems quite appropriate to me.
You might have a long wait, was first going to be 2028 now "at a later time". Get the feeling they've discovered how much time and money is needed to design and build a modern F1 engine from scratch.
I, for one, dgaf if Andretti has his name on the team or not. I am, however, happy we're getting another team with 2 extra seats. I'm also hoping they don't join the sport just to be a back marker but I guess we'll find that out in due course.
one of the back markers will leave the sport by '28(?), setting the grid back to 20, especially if Cadillac brings in more money than that back marker team
Herta already has a super license. At least this is what an SI article says, titled "IndyCar's Colton Herta Secures F1 Super Licence - 'Would Have Been Useful A Few Years Ago". He did finish 2nd in indycar
As the guy above says it does expire and theres some sort of joke somewhere in you using that SI article without realising where they got this info from. They credit The Race in the article for breaking the news.
I haven't trusted anything SI has said in many years. The Race got it right, he has 32 points & needs 8 more. He can do that by finishing in 5th & getting 1 practice session
I like the idea of more cars on the grid and bringing back the 107% qualifying rule. I realize that no team wants to spend that money only to not race, however as a fan it was very exciting that qualifying really meant qualifying and not just grid position. I’m really curious what this does for Cadillac’s brand. They’ve been in racing for a very long time but I don’t see how racing aligns with their vehicles outside of the CT5-V. I think spinning off the Corvette as a brand and having that be the team name would make more sense, at least to me. Anyway, glad to see another team coming to the grid.
GM seems to be reserving the Corvettes exclusively for GT racing, and Chevrolet is likely only used for Indycar because it's _always_ been a Chevrolet/Ilmor program. Their prototypes, with the exception of the C7 DP, have always been Cadillacs. It only makes sense that their highest-tier motorsports entry falls under its highest-tier branding.
@@RoyMatzem Please excuse me: Mazepin doesn't seem to have ever done such a thing, at least as far as Wikipedia is concerned. Look up the 107% rule on that site and there's a list of violations. Mazepants's name ain't on it, but a ton of others are who still got to race (Sargeant, Stroll, Hartley, De Vries....).
What about caddilac in the gtp cars? And caddilac had been racing thoes cts v way back when. Double wins at long Beach. Have you heard thoes gtp caddilacs fire up once they get rolling?
Regardless of how well they do or don't do, this is.....a MODEST win, I guess. Honestly, I stopped caring about Michael Andretti's feelings the moment he helped put up a charter system around the IndyCar Series (immediately stifling the plans of sportscar racing heroes Pratt & Miller and seriously threatening Prema). However, the fact that an ambitious team with a solid body of work in a variety of other racing divisions only BARELY squeaked into F1 after something like a year and a half of politicking.....just _reeks._ Again, I don't care about Andretti specifically. I care about the fact that literally every single professional racing series has erected a walled garden of some sort around their grids, preventing new teams from building their own legacies and rising through the ranks. It used to be that new teams could prove they had the competence to compete with the established outfits by posting a lap time fast enough to qualify for the race, but meritocracy is dead.
@@craigstricklin You couldn't put an engine that even smelled a little bit like Ford in a Cadillac F1 car. Italian, French, German or Japanese-smelling engines are acceptable.
Would love to see the race talk about if there is a need to increase the number of points given out during a race. Personally I would like to see the top 16 get points as it makes more of the mid-field fights meaningful.
Whatever engine they do end up going with will be interesting considering how Cadillac are direct competitors with Ferrari in WEC and Honda(Acura) in IMSA. Engine architecture and internal data is always fun to collect from your direct rivals lol
They need at least one highly experienced F1 driver to go with an American driver with chops but little or no F1 experience. Unfortunately, the only experienced American F1 driver is Logan Sargeant, who sucks in F1. But they definitely need a driver with experience at the pointy end of F1 - someone like Carlos Sainz (not specifically him, but he’s a good example).
@@dddd-uk4vn Yes, iconic. Cadillac is the most prestigious American luxury car manufacturer, and has been for as long as any of us have been alive. They’ve also been racing for about as long as people have been racing cars. They just won driver, team, and manufacturer championships in 2023 in IMSA Sports Car racing in the GTP class (the fastest class with the most exotic cars, about on par with F1). That’s a full works car with a Cadillac engine. Fielding a truly competitive car at the very top end of endurance racing isn’t easy! They’re competing with teams like Ferrari, Maclaren, Porsche, and Toyota.
@@davestagnerwhen I think American car manufacturer, I think Ford. Or maybe mustang. But that's also Ford. Or I think.... Well nothing to be honest. There is Ford and then not much. And the fun thing is that I am basically driving a gm car. I drive an Opel from 2020. And even with Opel being a gm brand since 1920, nobody thought of gm when buying Opels in Germany. So yeah, iconic maybe in America. But in the rest of the world not so much.
I find Cadillac’s decision to enter F1 troubling, especially considering it was saved by government funds when it nearly collapsed. Taxpayer money was used to rescue the company, and now it’s making a risky, expensive move into a sport that doesn’t address core business challenges. This feels like a questionable use of resources given its history.
Because of his conduct. Simple. The rules and procedures are long established and there are correct ways of doing things in Europe. Acting like a 🤡 in an F1 paddock doesn't cut it.
@@DontuseGoogleorWikieurope is a clown 🤡 itself many European countries resemble African shht holes now... the usa gdp tops all European countries combines
They wanted factory teams. They have been trying to achieve that for years. Andretti was just a privateer with a short-term engine contract. It wasn't about feelings. Welcome to F1
@@DontuseGoogleorWikiit wasn’t because of his attitude at all. There was personal issues. Apparently Michael and the ceo of f1s wife had an affair and he had a vendetta against Michael
Because Europeans are sensitive AF, and find Michael’s American-ness to be scary. People that get things done are pushy. This is all a charade anyway. Michael will be very involved. This is a little spanking, but in the end, he won.
If Honda supplies GM Cadillac with an engine, they will definitely push for Tsunoda as one of the drivers. Tsunoda's contract ends in 2025 so could match up perfectly.
If Herta falls out of contention, I can see a real possibility of a Colapinto, Bottas line up. Which i think would be amazing. I believe they have 3 drivers they are realistically going to go for; Colapinto, Bottas, and Herta. Unfortunately I think Tsunoda is an outside possibility, though that could definitely change if they end up with a Honda Engine Supply.
I'm very much doubtful of an 11th team actually entering F1 until we see a proper Breaking News announcement by F1. The style of the announcement they did make was the kind they respond to controversies or issues, not them being excited for a new team. And the use of 'agreement in principle' is as much of a guarantee as you going for a job interview and the employer saying we'll contact you if something comes up, F1 and the teams are just waiting for GM Cadillac to put a foot wrong so they have just cause to tear that agreement up.
For now, having 11 teams is a good thing. Eventually, within 5 to 8 years, having a 12th team is feasible. 13 teams can cause some problems as there are several tracks that just can not accommodate 26 cars on the starting grid.
I don’t blame them. They didn’t want another Haas team. As it will dilute F1. But another Mercedes type company? As someone who’s grown up in Detroit and the whole engineering/ racing field. I can say GM is going to be intriguing for sure
It's literally the same team, the same proposal, except Michael Andretti is not Andretti Global CEO anymore, and it doesn't have Andretti name anymore. Mario Andretti is also now on the board of directors, so the Andrettis are still there. The reason they weren't accepted is that Maffei had a feud with Michael
My thoughts for drivers- no more than one rookie. Bottas would be an excellent choice, Magnusson might be another option from the current lineup. For second driver, if we pull from Indy, then Palou, O'Ward, or Herta would be solid choices, and McLaughlin might fancy a season or two if given the opportunity. If not, then I'd look at maybe pulling Schumacher (he had pace, was just unreliable, and had a relatively good season with a mentoring driver in a shitbox of a car), Doohan, or take a junior from whichever manufacturer they get their initial engines from. I'd have to check the points awarded for the superlicense, but there might be a WEC driver or two who could qualify by 2026, and Chadwick might still have enough points to qualify if she has a good 2025 NXT season.
More teams, same amount of races. (just don't watch them if you think there's too many). Ideally spreading the races out more across the world rather than multiple races in one country/general region. Street fighter 2 style if you know what I mean.
Feels like the render could use more yellow. Not the whole thing, but definitely the upper chassis and the halo. Maybe keep a bit of the gradient at the back end of the engine cover. Sides should stay black. Keep it looking sleek. It'll end up looking like a modern take on a Jordan, and I don't think you would see to many complains about that.
@verhu010 Well, considering how Dan Towriss is the CEO and president of Group 1001, I'm fully expecting a black and yellow car with Gainbridge branding
I prefer the reviews without the personalities on screen.. Although I love you guys, the visuals showing the cars & subject matter is a lot more informative. Cutting back & forth is very distracting. I prefer the original format you have been using for years. I would venture to guess most would agree
Cadillac better win the championship because they already have 2026 car ready including the chassis which is unfair advantage considering teams aren't allowed to start on 26 until in 2025
Cadillac have been GM's premier motorsports division for over 20 years now, occasionally swapping places with Corvette for stuff like their early DP car in IMSA (which, since becoming DPi, are back to being Cadillacs).
Caddy has been involved in racing for a while now. They have an LM heritage with their famous "Le Monstre". As far as modern times go, been doing IMSA since 2017 and expanded into WEC in 2023 with the convergence finally happening. Less known but not less relevant was their only GT3 (a set of regs which conquered the world) car which managed to piss off the most powerful man in sportscar racing and created new regs for GT3.
The reality is “Andretti” is a name, “Cadillac” is a brand. F1 wants corporate partners who sell stuff all over the world, not personal partners in the business of racing cars.
I’m glad everyone is starting to see that it’s about Andretti, not the project itself. I fucking knew it was just about Andretti from day one. It’s gotta be a combination of a personal vendetta against Michael Andretti and this elitism in F1 that says pure racing teams have no place on the F1 grid, and that’s what really pisses me off about the situation
Another promising young American driver to keep an eye on is Connor Zilisch. He currently going down the NASCAR development path. But before 2024 was racing road cars, imsa, single seaters, etc. He's 18 an the best young American driver ive seen since maybe Jeff Gordon. I think he's commited to racing NAscar's #2 series next year, but perhaps GM can move him over to F2 if that's where he'd prefer, but I doubt the NASCAR team that has him signed up as their development driver will want to lose him. He's going to be a huge star.
And good lord is he _fast._ I distinctly remember a TA2 race with a field of 30-40 cars that he cut through like a hot knife through butter from the back of the pack.
Finally, there is an answer regarding the unlimited tunnel testing. I wonder if that is also the case for unlimited track racing because that would be an even bigger game changer.
to me its wild to see a team with the name of a f1 world champion on it have so much friction with f1 itself. You would think it would jump on the use of the name, they could market this as a spiritual successor to william
William? There've been a number of teams carrying the name of former F1 champions e.g. Prost, Stewart, Brabham who've had a mixed amount of success. So nothing new and no guarantee of success.
Frank Williams wasn't an F1 driver. The only team on the grid currently named after a former driver is Mclaren and he won races but never a title. Prost and Brabham were bot died off and Stewart... well, they eventually became Red Bull.
So now GM is a big name? I thought the statement from F1 (FOM? FOCA?) said that nobody ever heard of General Motors, or Andretti for that matter. Translating; I believe the teams meant they wanted more Tribute Money (aka blackmail) before letting an eleventh team into F1.
It might be a stipulation by the FIA that it's officially a full works team, rather than a race outfit like Andretti. I'd assume not wanting to give an equal proportion slice of a limited sized cake to a team that won't add as much market value to F1 overall as a works team would.
Perhaps GM came to realise how toxic modern day Andretti is (recently called in the FBI regarding a dispute with another team in IndyCar) and thought "let's just kick the middleman to the kerb".
@@benjaminbrockway5998 Yep, objectively, as time goes on, f1 is less a motor"sport", and more a travelling circus show club. I say that as a passionate fan since 96.
They will flounder for 3-4 years never putting any real money into the program. Then pull out with nothing to show for the effort. I can already see the fail all over this deal. DOA.....😵
Isn't Honda (strangely) listed as a new engine supplier with the effect that they can't be forced to supply a other team ? That was the point of the exclusive deal with Aston Martin. Ferrari is the only option then.
All I know is that F1 is far pettier than I ever thought. Michael's facilities plan, good. Michael's sponsors, good. Michael's corporate brand in Cadillac, good. Michael's hires, good. Michael's effort to get gm to commit to a works engine, good. Michael's last name, bad.
I think Andretti made himself look like a grifter and a hustler in the negotiations. So maybe now Cadillac is proceeding with the magic of LOADS of GM money instead of hitching a ride on Andrettis street cred.
@@antoniestrada1972 He met the requirements of the FIA but failed to reach requirements for F1. That FIA process does seem questionable. F1 always wanted a manufacturer and not another privateer.
@yt.personal.identification he met the all the requirements for F1 he got the anti dilution money he got a fucking oem as a partner the on your requirements he didn't meet were the arbitrary requirements that F1 made up
@@yt.personal.identification my guy he met all the requirements he got the anti-dilution money he got a big OEM on board the only thing he didn't meet was the arbitrary requirements that F1 made up
@@Secretlyanothername What exactly qualifies Bottas over Daniel? By my count, Daniel has scored more points, podiums, and wins since leaving Red Bull than Bottas has since leaving Mercedes.
They Licensed the technology G.M as a corporation is one of problably the worst ever . They were launching Satellites way before elon and even were the largest maker of them in the world at one point ,all this when they acquired Hughes Aircraft . G.M would go on to get a 50 billion dollar bailout .
Sebastian said he would always be interested as long as the car and the plan was good… obviously he hasn't had any Real proper ground effect experience but his experience would be incredible along with his talent along with marketing… I can dream
You've answered your own question. There's not a single person who will know if the car is good or not until at the very earliest pre season testing in 26. Seb has also stated in an interview this year that he has no interest in returning to f1 as a driver. He could be a good adviser though.
Andretti ran full speed ahead and drove this train to the 5 yard line...but he needed the finesse he lacked to get it into the endzone. TWG and GM have pushed it over the finish line, but don't get it twisted, Andretti made this happen.
Andretti is still the head of the board. Once Cadillac are involved you watch Andretti will be the team principal fairly soon after the team is officially on the grid. F1 has been rediculoisly petty and this was their back down position.
It's always nice when some one is willing to fork over hundreds of millions to take the Minardi spot from Sauber and race at the back of the field providing spare chicanes for drivers lapping the field!
DISGRACEFUL! They are General Motors for crying out loud! They should not rely on Ferrari or anyone else's engines. It's in their name, General Motors! If anything they should come in and offer the whole non-constructor paddock an engine and support, the GM166H for example 1.6 litre, 6 cylinder, Hybrid).
Let’s not forget DannyRic as a possible driver for CadillacF1. Experience is obviously not an issue and he would be a fine mentor, especially for someone like Jack Crawford 🏎️💨
So it sounds like Andretii originally getting denied was personal. Someone really didn't want to see Andretiis name in the paddock
It was his method of approach and trying to force the issue.
@@DontuseGoogleorWikifuck, every comment I look at your here spouting nonsense
Only if you ignore everything.
The rejected a privateer. They accepted a full manufacturer.
F1 have been aiming for manufacturers for years.
Claiming it is wholly personal is just ignoring years of F1 aiming to attract manufacturers.
Why would we ignore that?
@ claiming utter misinformation is just ridiculous. There was a clear issue between Michael Andretti and the ceo of f1. Something about Michael and ceo of f1 wife having an affair. Also Michaels attitude when he was in the sport before. You’re spreading lies and it’s weird
@@harry4454 The rule changes coming in next year were designed with the input of GM, Porsche, Audi, the Volkswagen group leaders, Honda and Toyota.
This was a long term process costing millions with the goal of attracting full manufacturers to F1.
They didn't want a privateer let in the back-door by questionable means via the FIA president - he is just unfit for the role.
Welcome to F1.
The Andretti erasure is crazy when they said TWG global instead of Andretti global. That's a level of pettiness I didn't realise possible because they're still able to name the team cadillac while the company is called Andretti.
It’s not coming from the GM side of things though.
I don’t know what the backstory is, but people within Liberty really don’t like Michael. That’s what’s been holding their entry back all this time on the F1 side of things (that and the teams vetoing because of prize money dilution, but they’ve resolved that through entry fees most likely.)
I wouldn’t be surprised if him backing down from his position and dropping the name was a tactical move from Michael himself. Once that Concorde agreement has been signed GM/Caddy/Andretti etc can appoint who they want and call themselves whatever they want.
@@Alcatraz760 TWG is the majority owner of Andretti. They get to pick their own name
@@vizsla54 Yeah functionally it makes no difference, but it really seems FOM/Liberty are the one who wanted that change and are intent on making sure the name Andretti doesn't show up anywhere, because I doubt Towriss, Walter, and GM actually wanted the Andretti name gone.
@@Alcatraz760Why GM wanted Andretti's team name gone?
You dont have half a clue about how legitimate businesses on a global scale operate do you, lmao
Screw the Brad Pitt project, you could make a compelling full future film about this nearly three year saga.
Netflix at your comment 🧐
Michael Andretti is 62, Brad Pitt is 60. F1 drivers are 27. Makes sense.
also andretti proved Apx racing would be highly unrealistic
The Brad Pitt movie looks so dumb and fake, anyway. It's going to be a flop
@@michaelwillis5929it’s for us dumb Americans anyways. They need to build the appeal of Miami and Vegas because nobody in the states likes those races either
This just confirms what we've known for a while now, if a team like Williams were to try and join the grid there's no way in hell they would ever get in, it's all about the manufacturers.
That’s exactly what I’ve been saying
And manufacturers leave as soon as their investment doesn't pan out to their satisfaction, or the company changes direction, or the world's economy takes a downturn. Then they scurry out of F1 like rats on a sinking ship. People who want to race, want to put their blood, sweat and tears into racing in F1 have always made F1 special, not car companies who dabble in it for a few years before leaving.
The context has completely changed too.
Not necessarily manufacturers, just business that sell stuff all over the world. They’d still let in Red Bull, even Haas. They’d eagerly give Nike a team. They’re just not going to give a team to somebody who says “my business is racing cars”.
@@joeterzio7175 Well said!!
F1 has a lot of egg on after all of this. Tons of historic brands important to F1's history and current lineup weren't car manufacturers (or at least didn't start that way). McLaren, Williams, Ferrari, Jordan... Andretti is huge in motorsports and Mario is a former world champion. It's really sick how greedy this has all played out. I'm not saying Andretti is faultless here, but common. Meanwhile, Audi's off to an incredibly rough start, Porsche backed out and Renault is dropping out as a supplier. F1 isnt great because of brands, it's great because of individuals that want to go racing. Enzo, Champan, Bruce, Dietrich, Frank Williams and more...
Avarice has overtaken ambition in modern motorsport, and it's a gut punch to watch.
The people made the racing back then, not the money. Now it seems like it's all about the money and not the people or the fans
@@cusz87 ➥ business
The key takeaway from this is that private teams that weren't grandfathered in are effectively banned now. It seems like no matter how significant you and your brand are to motorsport, even if you bring a massive manufacturer with you and put all the necessary time and resources into proving how dedicated and determined you are to enter, that's still not enough for a new F1 team. You shouldn't need to buy a multi-billion dollar car manufacturer to be allowed entry into F1.
You're right; many of the greatest Formula 1 teams started small only to become notable figures in Formula 1 later. Especially with Red Bull turning Toro Rosso into a cash cow after Dietrich's passing, the current state of Sauber and their controversial title sponsor, and the very embarrassing predicament Renault finds itself in, Formula 1 should be more open to new brands with a genuine passion for motorsport. Say what you want about Bernie Ecclestone. He was far from perfect, but at least he gave small teams, like Haas, a chance to enter Formula 1. Even if they didn't have a household name, that could bring more recognition to Formula 1.
@@KavinRamchandran Bernie had it out for garagisti, so I suspect Haas was only allowed because they kept F1 at a 20-car grid.
Michael Andretti is going to be named team principal.
Hopefully 𝗻𝗼𝘁
@@NikiN1 Hopefully yes. F1/DTS needs its new Guenther Steiner.
@@Kevinjimtheonelol
I hope so
@@Ref.chavez I doubt it simply because they essentially friend-zoned him lol
“What do you mean we can’t put a V8 in it?”
F1's engine regs are too strict anyway, so some cylinder count variety would be nice. A 1.6L V8 would be an incredibly interesting engine concept to pursue.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859It'd be hilarious if they somehow made a crossplane V8 work at that displacement. It'd probably sound completely nuts too, like a pair of Yamaha M1 race bikes strapped together.
"Because we're going to lead by example in producing cars that emit slight less C02, while traveling the world using diesel trucks, ships, and planes".
So all is well, so long as it isn't Andretti, I guess
Exactly
From a European PoV he shot himself in the foot. F1 is still in essence an Old Boys club. The culture will not accept someone trying to jam their foot in the door to gain entry. Michael needed to learn to listen to what he was being told.
And what is that exactly? Sounds supremacist @@DontuseGoogleorWiki
So long as it is a manufacturer instead of a privateer.
FTFY
And as long as they pay 2.5x the original dilution fee
The same excuses would have blocked Enzo from entering Ferrari
Corvette safety car for USA races for sure
That will depend on two things. The first is that Aston and Mercedes have the contract to supply the safety cars. So, nothing will happen until that contract ends.
Secondly they jave to pay for the privilege. The FIA and F1 see it as marketing as that's exactly what it is. And as such you have to pay large sums of money to them.
Its definitely something I can see happening, though at some point.
They could maybe do it as a brand tie in as the official sponsor of the races although that would probably only happen once each year and my bet would be Vegas as its seen at the American Monaco GP.
😎🇺🇸👍🏼
That would be so cool. Always loved the Corvette 🤩
then why isn't there a Haas CNC machine as safety car in USA right now?
Then why can't we have the Aston Valkyrie or AMG One as Safety cars when drivers complaining that safety cars are slow.
Andretti never owned the team looking to enter F1. Initially it was thought by the investors that his name would open doors. They quickly found out that the opposite was true.
F1 fired Greg Maffei who was the face of the anti Andretti camp last week just as the new team let Michael step down. With those two gone an agreement was easily reached.
A. What was Maffei's post?
B. What was he fired for?
You say that, Greg Maffei's name and quote still shows up in the official announcements, so clearly he approved it with michael gone.
@@azurerider812 He wasn't fired. His contract ended.
@ are you saying that Maffei hasn’t been let go?
@@azurerider812He caused F1 to get investigated by the US congress as anti competitive. Management didn’t like that.
So it really WAS about Michael Andretti.
I used to work for Cadillac! Was a automotive technician for them. Worked for Honda recently for 5 years. Glad about Honda winning 4 years in a row. But, would be excited to see Cadillac race F1.
I want to be automotive technician any advice?
@@mclover3150 which manufacturer would you like to work for? Or you want to work on any car that needs work? (Auto Shop)
I started repair/maintenance work on Toyotas because the school I went to, which was Job Corps.
I didn’t have to pay for it. I like working on Honda. They’re easy.
GM and Honda does make sense - Both parties worked together to develop the hybrid engine for IndyCar. Additionally GM & Honda are partnering for hybrid/electric technologies in road vehicles.
There issues they are manufacturers rivals on IndyCar situation they have go too Ferrari
i thought it was GM and HYundai teaming up.
the problem with Ferrari is that you will have to sign an agreement to intentionally underperform and stay behind the 2 Ferrari cars.
I think they should have gone with Mercedes for their car, with Alpine having a RBPT Ford.
@@thomasr.bartonjd7815 GM is partnering with both Honda and Hyundai in the road cars.
However, none of that matters, as GM has already posted on their website that they are partnering with Ferrari as their supplier
It absolutely sounds like a personal vendetta again Michael Andretti when as soon as he steps down the team is given the green light. What I also see is Michael accepting that right F1M won't let him realize the dream, but not letting that kill the dream for the rest of the team members.
Only partially my money's on a combination of 3.
One the Andretti name means nothing outside the US. Yeah Mario's a former world champ, but while the family is a royal family stateside you can ask someone from any other country to name 100 great drivers and they wouldnt make the list.
Andretti came in and rubbed everyone the wrong way.
Renault has since left so they need a new engine
I know Michael is divisive, but for F1 to snub the Andretti name is petty. Mario is an F1 World Champion, and somehow that connection doesn't help (but in fact, hurts) the bid. Seems backwards to me
Because they aren't *European,* and the Good Old Boys in F1 can't handle an actual American-run team. The only reason this deal went forward is that Renault killed their engine program, and GM guaranteed a replacement manufacturer.
@@benjaminbrockway5998So they don’t let Andretti in because he’s American yet they’re still willing to have Cadillac, an American manufacturer join? Are you dumb?
@benjaminbrockway5998 On the European front the point is more he's not a legend in Europe, yeah he's a former world champ but instead of being racing royalty like he is in the US it's a case of asking anyone outside of the US to name 100 great drivers and he probably wouldn't make their list
Essentially his name has no value outside of one country and he came to the party upsetting everyone not called Zak Brown.
Europeans are provincial and fundamentally ridiculous, but racing fans are racing fans. Fans know who Mario Andretti is.
@@justin4911 So if I ask a random NASCAR fan who the most successful WEC driver of all time is or a Super GT fan who’s the most successful WRC driver is you’ll be willing to bet they’d be able to give the right answer?
10:42 The fact that the application is slightly different does not prove the pressure of the DOJ investigation didnt play a major factor... Additionally, the fact the approved application was for 2026 instead of 2028 suggests the opposite. Other than in name, what was approved is incredibly similar to the final Andretti/Cadillac application.
Yea I think that is being broadly underappreciated, although likely because this is seen to make that problem go away as part of a tacit agreement or understanding vs. an actual consent decree or similar. Probably a good idea because who wants the Feds going through your company's emails and also the new administration wouldn't take kindly to something easily presented as Americans getting screwed out of a legitimate opportunity.
Whatever; I'm just happy GM/Cadillac is going to be in F1. I'll be over the moon if it's "Cadillac F1 powered by Pontiac" when they get the PU as part of a low-risk Hummer-esque relaunch for 100 year Pontiac/250 year US anniversaries, but I admit that's a borderline pipe dream. Regardless, I'll adopt them as my national team. Especially if they can get something like a Palou/Newgarden driver pairing going.
It looks similar but the difference is that GM is paying and starts with a stake, so GM feels more pressure to not skip out if the team doesn't do well.
Agreed. I think part of it may be that European F1 journalists don't fully understand the gravity of a US DOJ investigation. It is a nearly identical proposal with altered branding and some personnel changes.
At any rate, I'm excited to see what GM and Cadillac can do in the F1 scene.
To me one of the BIG reasons for the change is the loss of Renault. To this end the GM entry fills the void left behind by Renault pulling out. F1 was lossing something in terms of the appearance of manufacturers in the sport and this maybe was something that they didn't want.
With the two key figures heads leaving the repsective organisations ( FOM and Andretti ), it cleared the way for a "nice" way for this entry to enter the sport.
We all believe that they will struggle for a number of years, but look at some of the teams who have been in the sport a long time and see their struggles. One can only hope that they can find form in four years time. However, let's just hope that they can do better than Sauber/Audi, as to me that is who I fell this entry is simialr to at this point.
Glad to hear there will be more cars and therefore more seats to fill with a lot of young talent missing out on drives.
But why does f1 need to have the urgent need for manufacturers? Why are privateers ignored so brutally? Where are the times when you could just bring your passion of motorsport to the grid with your entrant, rather than only getting greedy manufacturers who are only there for the money?
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 Killed by the Concorde Agreement.
He isn't getting a F1 team in his name... Yet... What do you think will happen once they are in? What will F1 tell them once they're in the grid, "We won't accept Andretti as a "main sponsor"? This is clearly F1 saving face of their Andretti rejection.
He can't afford the sponsorship.
They will need to sell naming rights for income.
@yt.personal.identification he won't be sponsoring anything. Just as Dorilton splatters their name over Williams as the owner, so will Andretti once on the grid. Just wait for it
Dorilton is respecting the Williams namesake, they don’t want to put their name on it. Andretti has the cash and the pull, look what they’ve already done. Folks don’t know, this is the way to get the foot in the door, once they start winning under the caddy name, Andretti will pop up. Who the F is Kick or moneygram??? I knew Andretti 40 years ago. History lessons, folks.
@@Full_Beans What is the history lesson?
Is it that Andretti is old?
Andretti winning formula 1, Daytona, endurance and Indianapolis. They’ve been here. Yes, they’re old, years of winning. What did Toto do before he got some cash? What did Horner do? Dick, that’s what. Andretti is the American Ferrari, they just don’t sell cars. They win on Sundays.
I still want the name on the team to be Andretti, but the team IS Andretti regardless. The Gainsbridge/Delaware Life/Group 1001 ownership (which is the TWG) already was a majority owner investor in the Andretti Indycar teams and Andretti Global and its satellite teams. So I think its basically just like Mercedes so it's a GM Cadilac/Gainsbridge/Andretti team with GM Cadilac being the namesake
Andretti will be in the grid in this team, likely as a “title sponsor” to make the team Andretti Cadillac F1 as originally planned
Chip gannassi is no longer running the caddies.
Andretti is with the team he co-owns with Wayne Taylor racing.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. We're in the interim period so the Race's explaining was gonna sound awkward regardless of how they did it.
@ yeah, but an interesting part of the story is the Andretti Wayne Taylor car is in the same team now as the f1 entry
@@kartaltoth684 Tbf, Cadillac splitting from Ganassi has been a thing for months.
It's a legally non-binding 'agreement in principle.' A press release. Wait for the cars to hit the track before you get too excited about this.
They essentially have the OK to show up in 26 with a car. Until then they can essentially do whatever to design and build the car.
10:42. "It's no longer an Cadillac badged Andretti team with a customer Renault engine". No, now it's just a Cadillac badged GM team with a customer Ferrari engine.
Chip Ganassi is out. It’s Wayne Taylor with Andretti now for the imsa GTP cars
And jota in wec
Personal take : Andretti & Cadillac struck a deal - Cadillac will back what remains a 99,9% Andretti team with their name to get them into F1. If it goes well, they stick around, if they want to pull out they can and a simply rebrand/“sell” to Andretti. Would be interested to know if this is a loophole Andretti/Cadillac have successfully identified.
It's all about the engine, GM has to make one that works well or otherwise this is a suicide move.
Andretti would have to get a lot of money together and/or Cadillac would have to give a hefty discount. They are paying 450 million+ just to get in...without the other costs
More likely, GM will watch the primary engine supplier's progress and take any tech they can copy. There will be plenty of problems in US mfgs. operations inherent with political change. Don't be surprised if GM cuts this off quickly, as in the case of Pontiac or Oldsmobile.
I’m always surprised GM chooses to use the Cadillac brand for its racing teams - to me that’s a luxury brand, not a sports car brand. I’m surprised they don’t brand their racing teams as Corvette.
I don't have the quotes or stats to prove it, but my gut feeling is that GM's looking at the brands they'll be racing against and putting the brand most like their competitors into that mix. In sportscars and, at least historically, F1, you've got Jaguar, Mercedes, BMW, and so on--luxury brands that have reputable high-performance divisions. Cadillac is GM's answer to that class of competition, both on the track and in terms of market share in road car sales.
Corvette is a model, not a marque, and with Chevrolet dropping the Camaro, things like the Blackwing and V-Series make Cadillac a much more viable racing brand.
I mean Chevy/corvette is already doing quite well in wec, gt, and the American racing series, they don’t “need” extra clout from f1. Plus everyone knows that they are all gm at the end of the day
@@rayzhang7591Cadillac doesn’t need clout either, certainly not any more than Chevrolet does.
They have produced some of the best sports sedans on earth for quite some time. They've been the selected marque for most GM prototype racing since the 90s. Seems quite appropriate to me.
Im excited to see what Cadillac can do with their engine. They've developed some beautiful engines as of late.
You might have a long wait, was first going to be 2028 now "at a later time". Get the feeling they've discovered how much time and money is needed to design and build a modern F1 engine from scratch.
@@I_Evo Renault, hold my beer
Back of the pack, mobile chicane.
7:00 Honda and GM share a hybrid system for indycar and a car factory in tennessee
News said Ferrari can offer a full package, such as brakes and transmission gearbox
Just like they’re offering to HAAS
I, for one, dgaf if Andretti has his name on the team or not.
I am, however, happy we're getting another team with 2 extra seats. I'm also hoping they don't join the sport just to be a back marker but I guess we'll find that out in due course.
GM, specifically Cadillac, wouldn’t put their name on something to run last without effort.
The problems lies in there is only so much quality talent to go around in F1. That goes for all positions a F1 team needs to operate.
one of the back markers will leave the sport by '28(?), setting the grid back to 20, especially if Cadillac brings in more money than that back marker team
Herta already has a super license. At least this is what an SI article says, titled "IndyCar's Colton Herta Secures F1 Super Licence - 'Would Have Been Useful A Few Years Ago". He did finish 2nd in indycar
The licence can expire. He definitely has to do F1 test or finish higher in IndyCar
As the guy above says it does expire and theres some sort of joke somewhere in you using that SI article without realising where they got this info from. They credit The Race in the article for breaking the news.
I haven't trusted anything SI has said in many years. The Race got it right, he has 32 points & needs 8 more. He can do that by finishing in 5th & getting 1 practice session
@ I don’t trust SI either, however the article is based fully on and links to a report by …. The Race
Great video - such in-depth reporting - loving it ❤
I like the idea of more cars on the grid and bringing back the 107% qualifying rule. I realize that no team wants to spend that money only to not race, however as a fan it was very exciting that qualifying really meant qualifying and not just grid position. I’m really curious what this does for Cadillac’s brand. They’ve been in racing for a very long time but I don’t see how racing aligns with their vehicles outside of the CT5-V. I think spinning off the Corvette as a brand and having that be the team name would make more sense, at least to me. Anyway, glad to see another team coming to the grid.
The 107%rule never ended. Its still valid for every qualyfing. The problem is that too easy to achieve. Should be at least 105, or 104.
GM seems to be reserving the Corvettes exclusively for GT racing, and Chevrolet is likely only used for Indycar because it's _always_ been a Chevrolet/Ilmor program. Their prototypes, with the exception of the C7 DP, have always been Cadillacs. It only makes sense that their highest-tier motorsports entry falls under its highest-tier branding.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859I didnt find anything about it, do you know In which GP? Usually they allow in weather or in accidents.
@@RoyMatzem Please excuse me: Mazepin doesn't seem to have ever done such a thing, at least as far as Wikipedia is concerned.
Look up the 107% rule on that site and there's a list of violations. Mazepants's name ain't on it, but a ton of others are who still got to race (Sargeant, Stroll, Hartley, De Vries....).
What about caddilac in the gtp cars? And caddilac had been racing thoes cts v way back when. Double wins at long Beach. Have you heard thoes gtp caddilacs fire up once they get rolling?
Regardless of how well they do or don't do, this is.....a MODEST win, I guess.
Honestly, I stopped caring about Michael Andretti's feelings the moment he helped put up a charter system around the IndyCar Series (immediately stifling the plans of sportscar racing heroes Pratt & Miller and seriously threatening Prema). However, the fact that an ambitious team with a solid body of work in a variety of other racing divisions only BARELY squeaked into F1 after something like a year and a half of politicking.....just _reeks._
Again, I don't care about Andretti specifically. I care about the fact that literally every single professional racing series has erected a walled garden of some sort around their grids, preventing new teams from building their own legacies and rising through the ranks.
It used to be that new teams could prove they had the competence to compete with the established outfits by posting a lap time fast enough to qualify for the race, but meritocracy is dead.
Ferrari and Cadillac that would be something
Yeah, suck it Ford! LOL
@@craigstricklin You couldn't put an engine that even smelled a little bit like Ford in a Cadillac F1 car. Italian, French, German or Japanese-smelling engines are acceptable.
Would love to see the race talk about if there is a need to increase the number of points given out during a race. Personally I would like to see the top 16 get points as it makes more of the mid-field fights meaningful.
I'd like to see every car that finishes get points. It would make the racing mean more, IMO.
Points or not they are classified in every race, 13th is better than 14th, etc.
10 was a nice round number, I hate it's 11
Im just excited to see Cadillac on the grid
For me, Cadillac make land yachts so it's really confusing to have them in F1
New team, more seats. I don't care whether it's called andretti or Cadillac, it'd be cool to see some new drivers @@Swiftbiscuit
@@Swiftbiscuit they used to have really cool LMP cars.
I wonder if they can run an LS7 with 8-1 headers
@@arieldoech
Hopefully not one of those trash engines. It's as old as Mario Andretti himself 🤢🤮
@@BlyatarinaYou sound vaxxed.
@@Blyatarinamade Ferrari retire from that class in circuit racing rpm limited to 5600rpm and air intakes reduced my roughly 75%
Whatever engine they do end up going with will be interesting considering how Cadillac are direct competitors with Ferrari in WEC and Honda(Acura) in IMSA. Engine architecture and internal data is always fun to collect from your direct rivals lol
GM have never made a F1 power plant.
This is a huge win for F1 with an iconic brand like Cadillac joining, now they need an American star like Herta.
They need at least one highly experienced F1 driver to go with an American driver with chops but little or no F1 experience. Unfortunately, the only experienced American F1 driver is Logan Sargeant, who sucks in F1. But they definitely need a driver with experience at the pointy end of F1 - someone like Carlos Sainz (not specifically him, but he’s a good example).
iconic?
@@davestagner Bottas is the top choice, he is a veteran driver.
@@dddd-uk4vn Yes, iconic. Cadillac is the most prestigious American luxury car manufacturer, and has been for as long as any of us have been alive. They’ve also been racing for about as long as people have been racing cars. They just won driver, team, and manufacturer championships in 2023 in IMSA Sports Car racing in the GTP class (the fastest class with the most exotic cars, about on par with F1). That’s a full works car with a Cadillac engine. Fielding a truly competitive car at the very top end of endurance racing isn’t easy! They’re competing with teams like Ferrari, Maclaren, Porsche, and Toyota.
@@davestagnerwhen I think American car manufacturer, I think Ford.
Or maybe mustang. But that's also Ford.
Or I think.... Well nothing to be honest. There is Ford and then not much. And the fun thing is that I am basically driving a gm car. I drive an Opel from 2020. And even with Opel being a gm brand since 1920, nobody thought of gm when buying Opels in Germany.
So yeah, iconic maybe in America. But in the rest of the world not so much.
I find Cadillac’s decision to enter F1 troubling, especially considering it was saved by government funds when it nearly collapsed. Taxpayer money was used to rescue the company, and now it’s making a risky, expensive move into a sport that doesn’t address core business challenges. This feels like a questionable use of resources given its history.
why does f1 hate andretti so much?
Because of his conduct. Simple. The rules and procedures are long established and there are correct ways of doing things in Europe. Acting like a 🤡 in an F1 paddock doesn't cut it.
@@DontuseGoogleorWikieurope is a clown 🤡 itself many European countries resemble African shht holes now... the usa gdp tops all European countries combines
They wanted factory teams.
They have been trying to achieve that for years.
Andretti was just a privateer with a short-term engine contract.
It wasn't about feelings.
Welcome to F1
@@DontuseGoogleorWikiit wasn’t because of his attitude at all. There was personal issues. Apparently Michael and the ceo of f1s wife had an affair and he had a vendetta against Michael
Because Europeans are sensitive AF, and find Michael’s American-ness to be scary. People that get things done are pushy. This is all a charade anyway. Michael will be very involved. This is a little spanking, but in the end, he won.
So glad this is finally happening. Never thought we’d see a new team
Good for the sport and good for the marketing people. However we got enough races already, don't add another 3 USA races now.
New York City GP, Boston GP, LA GP
@@NickyDusseNo effing way the drivers would riot and rightly so. Damn USA trying to take over everything as per normal.
@@NickyDussehopefully not any of those states 🤢🤢🤢
We need more* interesting races, not less than the junk Vegas & Miami GPs already are
@Blyatarina The Vegas race isn’t junk
What? You don't want F1 at Eldora on the dirt? Remember, if there's not mud in your beer cup, you're at the wrong racetrack.
If Honda supplies GM Cadillac with an engine, they will definitely push for Tsunoda as one of the drivers. Tsunoda's contract ends in 2025 so could match up perfectly.
If Herta falls out of contention, I can see a real possibility of a Colapinto, Bottas line up. Which i think would be amazing.
I believe they have 3 drivers they are realistically going to go for; Colapinto, Bottas, and Herta. Unfortunately I think Tsunoda is an outside possibility, though that could definitely change if they end up with a Honda Engine Supply.
I think Colapinto (crashes aside) proved he has what it takes. Given Sainz going to Williams I guess he won't have a seat next year?
Herta still didnt reach superlicense (unbelivable)
Colapinto, Martins/Aron probably
Bottas is done im afraid
@@AndresFCamachodelusional crashpinto fans 😂😂😂. He will never drive for Cadillac.
Colapinto delusional fanboys strike again. Kids top 5 in damage in only 7 races. Stop bringing up his name, he’s not good.
Thank you for a very professional overview.
Excellent. Cadillac will be good for F1. Glad they turfed Michael Andretti. F1 has a long memory, and plenty remember 1993. :)
Apparently, they forgot about Flavio Briatore's past.
Doubt they will be competitive for decades.
I'm very much doubtful of an 11th team actually entering F1 until we see a proper Breaking News announcement by F1. The style of the announcement they did make was the kind they respond to controversies or issues, not them being excited for a new team. And the use of 'agreement in principle' is as much of a guarantee as you going for a job interview and the employer saying we'll contact you if something comes up, F1 and the teams are just waiting for GM Cadillac to put a foot wrong so they have just cause to tear that agreement up.
Michael Andretti sure knows how to make enemies
F1s dislike of Michael goes back to his days as a driver. He didn’t leave the sport on good terms.
Yes, not just in F1 either. Calling in the FBI on one of your rivals in IndyCar in recent months hasn't endeared himself to anyone in that series.
Class A wanker for sure.
For now, having 11 teams is a good thing. Eventually, within 5 to 8 years, having a 12th team is feasible. 13 teams can cause some problems as there are several tracks that just can not accommodate 26 cars on the starting grid.
I don’t blame them. They didn’t want another Haas team. As it will dilute F1. But another Mercedes type company? As someone who’s grown up in Detroit and the whole engineering/ racing field. I can say GM is going to be intriguing for sure
tbf, Haas does bring value to F1. It is very competitive and they even brought back Toyota into the sport
@ not more then what they take
@@Dontmakemehiddenpwease-uh7go it’s about relativity dear Watson. Imagine how much value GM will bring. Now compare that to Haas.
It's literally the same team, the same proposal, except Michael Andretti is not Andretti Global CEO anymore, and it doesn't have Andretti name anymore. Mario Andretti is also now on the board of directors, so the Andrettis are still there. The reason they weren't accepted is that Maffei had a feud with Michael
My thoughts for drivers- no more than one rookie. Bottas would be an excellent choice, Magnusson might be another option from the current lineup. For second driver, if we pull from Indy, then Palou, O'Ward, or Herta would be solid choices, and McLaughlin might fancy a season or two if given the opportunity. If not, then I'd look at maybe pulling Schumacher (he had pace, was just unreliable, and had a relatively good season with a mentoring driver in a shitbox of a car), Doohan, or take a junior from whichever manufacturer they get their initial engines from. I'd have to check the points awarded for the superlicense, but there might be a WEC driver or two who could qualify by 2026, and Chadwick might still have enough points to qualify if she has a good 2025 NXT season.
Finally, i advocate for more teams, less races
More teams, same amount of races. (just don't watch them if you think there's too many). Ideally spreading the races out more across the world rather than multiple races in one country/general region. Street fighter 2 style if you know what I mean.
@@deanjdkmore teams more races 😍 but proper tracks, not like the carpark in Miami
@@MrBboyflexibimore races? It’s already 24 and team personnel struggle
@@harry4454And yet, NASCAR can do 36 in a season. Bunch of European crybabies.
Key think you need to know... this was only approved because Michael stepped back... that is the honest truth, and it's not surprising
I prefer the official render over the edit that you guys put out.
2 US teams on the grid!
Now 12th team
Who do you want?
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 Tonka
That mock livery slaps.
I think Andretti will have his name on it eventually. I think he’ll eventually buy into it.
They will have to invest 1bi (pr more) to enter F1 now
As the main sponsor he will definitely get his name on it
Feels like the render could use more yellow. Not the whole thing, but definitely the upper chassis and the halo. Maybe keep a bit of the gradient at the back end of the engine cover. Sides should stay black. Keep it looking sleek. It'll end up looking like a modern take on a Jordan, and I don't think you would see to many complains about that.
great ANOTHER black&blue car. not confusing at all.
They could go with the yellow like on the 01 GTP car. I hope they do.
it looked yellow
@verhu010 Well, considering how Dan Towriss is the CEO and president of Group 1001, I'm fully expecting a black and yellow car with Gainbridge branding
@@verhu010just like my RC car lol
I'm so happy we're getting another team, 2 more cars on the grid, 2 more drivers. I'm not excited for the new cars, but this is good news at least.
I prefer the reviews without the personalities on screen..
Although I love you guys,
the visuals showing the cars & subject matter is a lot more informative. Cutting back & forth is very distracting.
I prefer the original format you have been using for years.
I would venture to guess most would agree
Great Reporting. Thanks
I really don't care if Andretti is kept out as long as Cadillac can join. Keep Andretti away if it means a new team can join.
I hope that GM comes with their own engine. Otherwise they look silly.
Cadillac better win the championship because they already have 2026 car ready including the chassis which is unfair advantage considering teams aren't allowed to start on 26 until in 2025
That's delusional lols
Good to hear gm and cadillac were able to come to an agreement......
6 months into 2026:
“Cadillac officially renames the team to Andretti”
@@_bstr_ct1832 FIA will not let that happen. 100% guaranteed.
Because Cadillac is who I think of when I think high performance and racing!
Cadillac have been GM's premier motorsports division for over 20 years now, occasionally swapping places with Corvette for stuff like their early DP car in IMSA (which, since becoming DPi, are back to being Cadillacs).
Caddy has been involved in racing for a while now. They have an LM heritage with their famous "Le Monstre". As far as modern times go, been doing IMSA since 2017 and expanded into WEC in 2023 with the convergence finally happening. Less known but not less relevant was their only GT3 (a set of regs which conquered the world) car which managed to piss off the most powerful man in sportscar racing and created new regs for GT3.
I didn’t know that. Thanks for informing me. I was looking at it through the models that are available to the public.
The reality is “Andretti” is a name, “Cadillac” is a brand. F1 wants corporate partners who sell stuff all over the world, not personal partners in the business of racing cars.
I’m glad everyone is starting to see that it’s about Andretti, not the project itself. I fucking knew it was just about Andretti from day one. It’s gotta be a combination of a personal vendetta against Michael Andretti and this elitism in F1 that says pure racing teams have no place on the F1 grid, and that’s what really pisses me off about the situation
It'd be ironic if Honda does end up being GMs engine supplier. Especially since they are competitors in Indy car.
Another promising young American driver to keep an eye on is Connor Zilisch. He currently going down the NASCAR development path. But before 2024 was racing road cars, imsa, single seaters, etc. He's 18 an the best young American driver ive seen since maybe Jeff Gordon. I think he's commited to racing NAscar's #2 series next year, but perhaps GM can move him over to F2 if that's where he'd prefer, but I doubt the NASCAR team that has him signed up as their development driver will want to lose him. He's going to be a huge star.
And good lord is he _fast._ I distinctly remember a TA2 race with a field of 30-40 cars that he cut through like a hot knife through butter from the back of the pack.
Given the troubles at GM right now, what are the chances this gets canned before 2026 lol.
Towriss is gonna fund the operations of the team..He's using the money of the Guggenheims 😂
@KuchingKingVideoGamer what about the funding for the engine and the rest of the team.
I guess they'll be another Williams 😂
What trouble? In comparison to Audi whose parent company Volkswagen is actually collapsing rn? I think they're a more questionable entry
Finally, there is an answer regarding the unlimited tunnel testing. I wonder if that is also the case for unlimited track racing because that would be an even bigger game changer.
to me its wild to see a team with the name of a f1 world champion on it have so much friction with f1 itself. You would think it would jump on the use of the name, they could market this as a spiritual successor to william
They dont care about the name, theyre care about Michael, as long he out
@@RoyMatzem i agree, thats why it suprised me they didnt push the name on condition he wasnt involved
William? There've been a number of teams carrying the name of former F1 champions e.g. Prost, Stewart, Brabham who've had a mixed amount of success. So nothing new and no guarantee of success.
Frank Williams wasn't an F1 driver. The only team on the grid currently named after a former driver is Mclaren and he won races but never a title. Prost and Brabham were bot died off and Stewart... well, they eventually became Red Bull.
So now GM is a big name? I thought the statement from F1 (FOM? FOCA?) said that nobody ever heard of General Motors, or Andretti for that matter. Translating; I believe the teams meant they wanted more Tribute Money (aka blackmail) before letting an eleventh team into F1.
Naa bro not Scott tryna flex that cut
Hairline like a couple of back to back hairpins
Here you go. Very interesting info
Cringe by GM not actually being supportive of Andretti when Andretti is the automotive racing push.
It might be a stipulation by the FIA that it's officially a full works team, rather than a race outfit like Andretti. I'd assume not wanting to give an equal proportion slice of a limited sized cake to a team that won't add as much market value to F1 overall as a works team would.
Enough with more "A" letter team 😅😂
Alpine
Audi
Aston Martin
Andretti
😂
Perhaps GM came to realise how toxic modern day Andretti is (recently called in the FBI regarding a dispute with another team in IndyCar) and thought "let's just kick the middleman to the kerb".
@@deanjdkIf that is true, that is the biggest pile of bullshit I have ever heard. Andretti doesn't add value, meanwhile wtf is Williams doing?
@@benjaminbrockway5998 Yep, objectively, as time goes on, f1 is less a motor"sport", and more a travelling circus show club. I say that as a passionate fan since 96.
I can say for certain that it's going to be one of the cars of all time.
They will flounder for 3-4 years never putting any real money into the program. Then pull out with nothing to show for the effort. I can already see the fail all over this deal. DOA.....😵
Yep, probably never even see a GM engine in a car, especially when the bean counters see the development costs.
Isn't Honda (strangely) listed as a new engine supplier with the effect that they can't be forced to supply a other team ? That was the point of the exclusive deal with Aston Martin. Ferrari is the only option then.
All I know is that F1 is far pettier than I ever thought. Michael's facilities plan, good. Michael's sponsors, good. Michael's corporate brand in Cadillac, good. Michael's hires, good. Michael's effort to get gm to commit to a works engine, good. Michael's last name, bad.
Have you also considered that GM/ Cadillac may have also soured on the Andretti organisation, thus why they're cutting out the middle man?
Would be great if it could sound like the V series GTP hypercar
I think Andretti made himself look like a grifter and a hustler in the negotiations. So maybe now Cadillac is proceeding with the magic of LOADS of GM money instead of hitching a ride on Andrettis street cred.
I mean can you blame the guy literally got rejected multiple times met the requirements multiple times and kept on getting rejected
Buying into f1 propaganda I see
@@antoniestrada1972 He met the requirements of the FIA but failed to reach requirements for F1.
That FIA process does seem questionable.
F1 always wanted a manufacturer and not another privateer.
@yt.personal.identification he met the all the requirements for F1 he got the anti dilution money he got a fucking oem as a partner the on your requirements he didn't meet were the arbitrary requirements that F1 made up
@@yt.personal.identification my guy he met all the requirements he got the anti-dilution money he got a big OEM on board the only thing he didn't meet was the arbitrary requirements that F1 made up
For driver lineup theres only one way to go:
Daniel Ricciardo for experience and marketability
&
Sting Ray Robb for name and pure ‘Murican essence
Not mentioning Daniel Ricciardo as a potential driver option is criminal.
Dude, it's not 2014. He's had his go, just a solid midfielder
@@Secretlyanothername What exactly qualifies Bottas over Daniel? By my count, Daniel has scored more points, podiums, and wins since leaving Red Bull than Bottas has since leaving Mercedes.
GM Ferrari kinda makes sense given they have a history of sharing tech like giving ferrari their magnetic suspension tech for the 458
They Licensed the technology G.M as a corporation is one of problably the worst ever . They were launching Satellites way before elon and even were the largest maker of them in the world at one point ,all this when they acquired Hughes Aircraft . G.M would go on to get a 50 billion dollar bailout .
Sebastian said he would always be interested as long as the car and the plan was good… obviously he hasn't had any Real proper ground effect experience but his experience would be incredible along with his talent along with marketing… I can dream
You've answered your own question.
There's not a single person who will know if the car is good or not until at the very earliest pre season testing in 26.
Seb has also stated in an interview this year that he has no interest in returning to f1 as a driver.
He could be a good adviser though.
Should be noted in IMSA Ganassi is off the Cadillac program and Wayne Taylor Racing/Andretti is now running 2 Cadillacs
Andretti ran full speed ahead and drove this train to the 5 yard line...but he needed the finesse he lacked to get it into the endzone. TWG and GM have pushed it over the finish line, but don't get it twisted, Andretti made this happen.
Andretti is still the head of the board. Once Cadillac are involved you watch Andretti will be the team principal fairly soon after the team is officially on the grid. F1 has been rediculoisly petty and this was their back down position.
It's always nice when some one is willing to fork over hundreds of millions to take the Minardi spot from Sauber and race at the back of the field providing spare chicanes for drivers lapping the field!
DISGRACEFUL!
They are General Motors for crying out loud! They should not rely on Ferrari or anyone else's engines. It's in their name, General Motors! If anything they should come in and offer the whole non-constructor paddock an engine and support, the GM166H for example 1.6 litre, 6 cylinder, Hybrid).
Let’s not forget DannyRic as a possible driver for CadillacF1. Experience is obviously not an issue and he would be a fine mentor, especially for someone like Jack Crawford 🏎️💨
I’m so excited for this🎉 yay 😁