I'm in a treatment centre right now and entire time I've been raising this contradiction in disease model . I'm really enjoying this research and it just works. It makes sense and there's no holes. Wow, Marc you've no idea how many lives your changing and how many you will in the future of generations to come.
That's crazy. I'm over alcohol as an addiction but I'm slowly getting over weed. This disassociation is very interesting. Meditation has been helping me tremendously to disassociate and feel everything in a way.
When I quit drinking, I started a log where I'd document crazy thoughts. Date, time, brief description.... Then if I was high when I had the thought. I'd right +P behind it. It didn't take too long, maybe a week or two any almost all the log entries had +p behind them. That's when I decided it wasn't good for me. The best book I've read on marijuana is Tell Your Children the Truth about Marijuana and mental illnesses... By Alex Berenson.
You touched on what I have been trying to apply with my daughter who is into drugs that I learned from the CRAFT method. I have been trying to focus on her positive moments and rewards, no matter how small, to help increase her positive reactions. Also I try to present options that will help to lead to bigger rewards for her. I feel that if you feel like there are no options, whether you are addicted or not, only serves to close the door for changes and moving forward. That is when you give up. I wish I had an opportunity to talk with you, Dr. Lewis. Thank you for sharing your insight.
Are you angry that he makes getting over addiction seem easy while it seems impossible to you? Perhaps you also think addicts are different from normal people? That you have an addictive personality. That IFS perhaps isn't nearly as helpful as Marc claims it to be?
The interviewer doesn’t seem to be listening. The first question he asks is about the doctor’s dedication to a lifetime of work in neuroscience. This question comes right after the doctor just explained that he only studied neuroscience after a career in academia focused on cognitive psychology.
Yeah because the doctor can recognise that he’s got a young gentleman sat in front of him who’s probably very nervous and he’s also mature enough to not be a knob because of little mistakes
Coke heads usually stop at 4 yrs. I’ve now been smashing it for over 20 yrs and I hate it. Extremely paranoid when on it. Deep regret after. Huge debt. What am I doing wrong.
Maybe some and most forms of addiction subscribe to this theory, but there are some of us who have developed well past it being a matter of learned behaviour. I think at some point the physiological changes that the disease theory point too do beings to come into play.
check out The Freedom Model -30 years of research and the best thing I found. AA is not necessary to "maintain" sobriety. Ask yourself - do former smokers need to go to meetings to maintain a smoke free life -NO they don't
@@oldguyathletics Going deep now...ain't helpful if someone is in need of urgent and uncomplicated help. Aiming for sobriety maintenance one can do if one is sober in the first place. But I heard your argument quite often in SMART Recovery.... the only thing I ve got my problems with what was said there. Because Nicotine and Alcohol are complete different pair of shoes...as substance. Never heard someone saying....Damb I woke up in police custody accused of body harm and I don't remember and I m not a violent person....all this happened I had my 1st cigarette after 3 month not smoking
However, the first cigarette or drink is a choice. Believing you are powerless over substances - that is where the bullshit rationalizing starts. If you woke up in a police station cuz you drank too much you made a f****** poor choice.
You might have managers that are working hard to keep everything together, and they usually try to control the other parts that aren’t on board with that idea. But those controlling managers aren’t the Self, and the parts the resist aren’t bad, they are probably doing what they do for a reason
I disagree with Marc Lewis concept of addiction is deep learning. But I find his concept of deep learning very useful to recovery. Example, what my addiction gave me was deep learning and that by engagement after cessation of substance used I was able to contract the "deep learning" that and correct it. Id try to explain it like I had to do everything while in recovery once that was connected to his "deep learning" wrong things... To learn the right things. I wish more research was done on recovery... Things past the active addiction phase.... Things part early recovery to better understand what I'm trying to explain.
Deep learning in that all of our conscious life experiences are learning indeed. We learn about a reality we live in. We learn to play a music instrument. We learn to see the world. We learn an addiction and it wires into the brain the pathways. We learn it all. We can unlearn our addiction too and many people over time do. We learn to live without the drugs. It indeed is learning invoulved.
@@barrynbreen Hi Barry, I see the oxymoron. Coming up on 6 years now and here is one new oxymoron I keep thinking about. Is it physiological or behavioral? I'm 100% sure it's all physiological.... Everything, the thoughts and the actions. So what's the behavioral? Things like going to rehab, going to AA meetings and not using.
"...I couldn´t get control of it as long as I felt it was a desease..." That is exactlyx what I feel.
This is inspiring for me! As I am am addict in recovery who is pursuing a psychology degree!
Way to go. I been working in a recovery model that is based on neuro based model
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It's a shame that this video hasn't been viewed about a million more times, brilliant!
Watch it a million times then
I'm in a treatment centre right now and entire time I've been raising this contradiction in disease model . I'm really enjoying this research and it just works. It makes sense and there's no holes. Wow, Marc you've no idea how many lives your changing and how many you will in the future of generations to come.
That's crazy. I'm over alcohol as an addiction but I'm slowly getting over weed. This disassociation is very interesting. Meditation has been helping me tremendously to disassociate and feel everything in a way.
When I quit drinking, I started a log where I'd document crazy thoughts. Date, time, brief description.... Then if I was high when I had the thought. I'd right +P behind it.
It didn't take too long, maybe a week or two any almost all the log entries had +p behind them. That's when I decided it wasn't good for me.
The best book I've read on marijuana is Tell Your Children the Truth about Marijuana and mental illnesses... By Alex Berenson.
So happy to have discovered Marc Lewis and his work! Extremely helpful 🙌
You touched on what I have been trying to apply with my daughter who is into drugs that I learned from the CRAFT method. I have been trying to focus on her positive moments and rewards, no matter how small, to help increase her positive reactions. Also I try to present options that will help to lead to bigger rewards for her. I feel that if you feel like there are no options, whether you are addicted or not, only serves to close the door for changes and moving forward. That is when you give up. I wish I had an opportunity to talk with you, Dr. Lewis. Thank you for sharing your insight.
I hope you and your daughter are doing well. Thank you for caring.
We use some of Dr. Mar Lewis teachings in our program at Deslongchamps Recovery.
Thats `s interesting. Can you elaborate?
Thank goodness this is 4 Years old cause you are so full of you know what.
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Are you angry that he makes getting over addiction seem easy while it seems impossible to you?
Perhaps you also think addicts are different from normal people? That you have an addictive personality. That IFS perhaps isn't nearly as helpful as Marc claims it to be?
Thank you for an amazing interview.
What an amazing person! I loved this hour spent here with you :)
Thank you so much for this..
The interviewer doesn’t seem to be listening. The first question he asks is about the doctor’s dedication to a lifetime of work in neuroscience. This question comes right after the doctor just explained that he only studied neuroscience after a career in academia focused on cognitive psychology.
Yeah, he really really didn't do his homework. Marc very graciously ignored his gaffes.
Yeah because the doctor can recognise that he’s got a young gentleman sat in front of him who’s probably very nervous and he’s also mature enough to not be a knob because of little mistakes
Well worth a listen.. really interesting & will have to give this another listen :)
Nice talk i love IFS. But what about splitting as a defense mechanism? IFS encourage splitting or not?
I would like to know your thoughts on Naltrexone.
You are so lucky you are such a strong person.
Coke heads usually stop at 4 yrs. I’ve now been smashing it for over 20 yrs and I hate it. Extremely paranoid when on it. Deep regret after. Huge debt. What am I doing wrong.
Maybe some and most forms of addiction subscribe to this theory, but there are some of us who have developed well past it being a matter of learned behaviour. I think at some point the physiological changes that the disease theory point too do beings to come into play.
You didn’t mention the exile who is usually protected by the other parts.
Don't you want to found a self support group...similar to AA....just without any AA powerless ideas...that would be a bless Sir.
check out The Freedom Model -30 years of research and the best thing I found. AA is not necessary to "maintain" sobriety. Ask yourself - do former smokers need to go to meetings to maintain a smoke free life -NO they don't
@@oldguyathletics Going deep now...ain't helpful if someone is in need of urgent and uncomplicated help.
Aiming for sobriety maintenance one can do if one is sober in the first place.
But I heard your argument quite often in SMART Recovery.... the only thing I ve got my problems with what was said there.
Because Nicotine and Alcohol are complete different pair of shoes...as substance.
Never heard someone saying....Damb I woke up in police custody accused of body harm and I don't remember and I m not a violent person....all this happened I had my 1st cigarette after 3 month not smoking
@@goodvibez598 I hear that argument.
However, the first cigarette or drink is a choice. Believing you are powerless over substances - that is where the bullshit rationalizing starts. If you woke up in a police station cuz you drank too much you made a f****** poor choice.
spot on 🌈🙏🏼💜
34:00 IFS
Do you have the part in you that tries to fix or work on yourself or even itself and the other parts in you that dislike or resist that part
You might have managers that are working hard to keep everything together, and they usually try to control the other parts that aren’t on board with that idea. But those controlling managers aren’t the Self, and the parts the resist aren’t bad, they are probably doing what they do for a reason
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I disagree with Marc Lewis concept of addiction is deep learning. But I find his concept of deep learning very useful to recovery. Example, what my addiction gave me was deep learning and that by engagement after cessation of substance used I was able to contract the "deep learning" that and correct it. Id try to explain it like I had to do everything while in recovery once that was connected to his "deep learning" wrong things... To learn the right things.
I wish more research was done on recovery... Things past the active addiction phase.... Things part early recovery to better understand what I'm trying to explain.
Deep learning in that all of our conscious life experiences are learning indeed. We learn about a reality we live in. We learn to play a music instrument. We learn to see the world. We learn an addiction and it wires into the brain the pathways. We learn it all. We can unlearn our addiction too and many people over time do. We learn to live without the drugs. It indeed is learning invoulved.
So you believe deep learning to get out of it but not getting into it......keep thinking about that statement ....there's an oxymoron in it
@@barrynbreen Hi Barry, I see the oxymoron. Coming up on 6 years now and here is one new oxymoron I keep thinking about.
Is it physiological or behavioral?
I'm 100% sure it's all physiological.... Everything, the thoughts and the actions. So what's the behavioral? Things like going to rehab, going to AA meetings and not using.
Great interview but he didn’t explain IFS very clearly - the founder Dick Schwartz does a much better job, there’s lots of interviews with him on YT