Law enforcement would be more likely to recognize ‘tactical brands’ than your normal citizen. I could see that being a potential issue if you were to get pulled over for a minor traffic violation and the LEO happens to recognize it as such. Not to say people with ‘bag guns’ are up to no good… but one can see from where the concern may stem.
Maybe in my experience most LEOs aren't gun people its just a job for them and if they're sidearm snd equipment wasnt issued to them they wouldnt know anything about it they couldn't tell you brand names but yea there are some who are big in to gun/edc world who would recognize brands and those officers tend to the cooler ones not the ones who got into law enforcement to be on a power trip
In some states if you are stopped and have a CC license you are required to inform the officer that you are carrying. So in that situation an officer recognizing the brand isn’t a bigissue
A sandman k would be a pretty cool option for the rattler. Really short and light. May even be small enough to stow while it’s on the gun. Not the quietest can but it’ll definitely make the gun more bearable in an emergency situation.
I believe the sandman k would still barely be too long to fit my particular bag, as the Omega 9K is already a pretty tight fit. It would likely fit in a lot of other bags though
@@InferiorRifles is the delta p brevis still being made? Its a little shorty beer can affair it was all over UA-cam and instagram a couple of years back but don’t see anything on it nowadays. Would likely work perfectly for something like this.
They got bought out by some giant manufacturer last year sometime - was in the Dallas news. The plan is to make it available to civilians, but I haven't heard anything since then. @@H.Green83
In the real world 99.9% of people won't recognize a Vertx pack from a Jansport or 5.11 pants from a pair of cargo Dockers (I don't wear "tactical" pants for other reasons, but point remains.) The vast majority of people are oblivious to what's going on around them, let alone that some dude's pants have extra pockets or they've got a bag with a logo they saw on that viral tik tok video of a shooty gun guy.
@@ThePromptWizard2023 I'm an honorably-retired police officer with a successful law enforcement career spanning 30 years. Shitbirds don't carry $3,000 Sig Rattlers in $200 sling bags.
Here is an issue. Yes, .300blk is better than 9mm. However, both rounds can kill. Now enter your ccw. You own a Glock, a B&t APC9 pro with a Glock lower may make sense. Carrying same ammo and magazines for both ccw and backpack makes sense. Now .300blk will cut through IIIA soft armor. And .300blk subsonic would break ribs and not puncture level IIIA soft armor.
How is this even a thought? Why would my side arm need to have the same magazine as my bigger, more capable gun. If the main gun runs dry why not just switch to the side arm ? I mean if you have a 2 mag loadout like this guy, what Scenario do you really think your gonna need more then 60 rounds from a bag gun
For a broken down AR-15 upper and lower check out the 5.11 tactical covert molle panel it’s what I’m using for my bag gun. Not super quick to deploy but keeps everything from flopping around
My gun bag for my CC rifle is a normal small backpack. S&W FPC 16" 9mm PPC folds in half, fits perfect, and can deploy from the bag in 4 seconds (my record). I think this Vertex bag is going to become known for CC sadly.
Look at the Maxim CGS Micro Signature Suppressor… it’s basically a mini CGS Hyperion, only adding 4.6” to the bare muzzle (its direct thread). So basically a suppressed Rattler will be the same length as a 10.3 unsuppressed Mk18 with a folder.
My guess? Not being able to run the switches on the top got too annoying and brightness doesn't go up high enough for daytime contrast vs light background The BOSS is a very night centric, "I need to rip this thing out of my bag with zero snags/weight" sorta thing When you need to take it into some other environment its shortcomings stack up very fast which is why it's such a niche rarely seen product vs say the RAID
I would have to double check, but I think the 5.11 select carry sling bag could fit a rattler with a 6-7 inch suppressor fairly well. The only issue would be finding one these days since I think they were discontinued
IMO the "backpack gun" is obsolete honestly. We can fit full sized ARs in backpacks now. If you've got the time to pull something out that isn't a pistol, you have the time to deploy a full on rifle.
I was looking away from screen when this was said… These are the first 2 items you should put into the backpack after the gun itself. A magazine and a CAT 🐈.. WHAT?!! Turned and looked…. Ohhh a C.A.T.
I assume that any adult carrying a backpack, especially a man, has a shorty rifle, spare mags, and a trauma med kit in it. The make and model of backpack doesn't matter. All that said, I have a Commute 2.0 with a G17/Omega 9k/MCK 2.0 that fold up nice inside. The weight is not overbearing. I initially entertained the idea of a 8.3" 300B with a 17 Defense integrated folding lower AR pistol but it was so heavy that I better be looking for trouble to walk around with it.
@@THEjoelivingstone Your comment is completely non sequitur as a reply to my comment and the very specific subject of this video. Define and qualify delusion and crippling paranoia and then square that with something I've said. Your comment says more about you than it was ever intended to say about me. The edit and delete feature is free.
@@The10thManRules See how defensive you got over 16 words? It's called overkill. I've got no need for edit and delete, and I'd be doing you a disservice if I didn't mention that you apparently don't understand what non sequitur means. Keep it tacticool Mr. MallMerc.
@@THEjoelivingstone Juvenile punk. Your momma should have swallowed you and have given the anonymous homeless man that's your unfortunate father a discount.
I’ve personally had no reliability issues with supers or subs (suppressed or unsuppressed) so long as the gas valve is on the correct position. I believe that most of the issues people have had come from either 1) Having the valve on the incorrect position or 2) Using lightly loaded subs.
I have a vertx gamut that I can fit my 8inch .300blk AR pistol with a folding buffer tube setup. Only downside is it won't cycle folded and the bag is quite large.
Did you SBR all of those? If so, why? I'm pretty sure it's illegal to carry a suppressed firearm. You can have it with but not attached. I may be wrong but please clarify if so. In Florida your setup would be illegal as a pistol.
It's illegal to carry it concealed with the suppressor attached. And the vertical foregrip is illegal unless that is a SBR with the tax stamp@@InferiorRifles
@@merrette you have bad info. And it’s an SBR. Carrying suppressed SBRs and pistols in bags is VERY commonplace in states (like mine) that have constitutional carry. Google is your friend.
Easy enough to pick up an old Nike, Adidas, or Jansport bag from the thrift store. Detach the logo and stitch it onto your 5.11 or Vertx bag. Now you look like everybody else.
Why not? It’ll do the job. I like bigger range bags. So I can carry my spotting scope, chronograph, tools, first aid kit, and some other stuff. (I shoot outdoor at a multi-use range both close and long distance). If you are just going for a quick shoot; nothing wrong with a little bag. If you are shooting at an indoor range you don’t need the extra stuff anyways.
Make the pack even more tactical, because all of them people who have committed crimes with guns none of them them used tactical backpacks. They were all cheap W-mart and none brand packs.
Woops. I carry mostly tactical backpacks. I just like the look. Guess I'll have to try for something else. Never considered an AR in a pack as a carry option.
I think it's a legitimate need... just use common sense. IMHO in a world where psychos are gunning down grocery store shoppers, there is a legitimate need to something more capable than a regular pistol. I don't consider a PDW an "everyday" thing you would carry though.
I'm NOT being a smart ass but let me ask you this. Since your saying the 9mm is no longer capable compared to the "modern day small rifle packages" feel free to stand down range during a gunfight with me and my 9mm PCC SBR. Again, I'm not trying to be a smart ass but just making a point.
ROFL boy, when your wife is about to be raped or killed while you sit there defenseless, you will wish you had one man. Protect your family. Sure, years ago, had the 2A been followed better, we would have regulated militias (2A people love to leave that out). But now we are back in the Wild West. Which is fine, just adapt. I would never go anywhere without my CC, and never go hiking without the backpack gun.
Law enforcement would be more likely to recognize ‘tactical brands’ than your normal citizen. I could see that being a potential issue if you were to get pulled over for a minor traffic violation and the LEO happens to recognize it as such.
Not to say people with ‘bag guns’ are up to no good… but one can see from where the concern may stem.
Maybe in my experience most LEOs aren't gun people its just a job for them and if they're sidearm snd equipment wasnt issued to them they wouldnt know anything about it they couldn't tell you brand names but yea there are some who are big in to gun/edc world who would recognize brands and those officers tend to the cooler ones not the ones who got into law enforcement to be on a power trip
In some states if you are stopped and have a CC license you are required to inform the officer that you are carrying. So in that situation an officer recognizing the brand isn’t a bigissue
It's not illegal so that wouldn't be a concern
Great explanation as to why the SIG rattler with rifle ballistics makes more sense over the B&T 9mm
For anyone wondering, you can fit a 10/22 takedown or pc-9 takedown with magpul stocks in this bag.
I was looking for this answer. Thank you!!
.300BO & 7.62 are my favorite rounds for this sort of thing.
A sandman k would be a pretty cool option for the rattler. Really short and light. May even be small enough to stow while it’s on the gun. Not the quietest can but it’ll definitely make the gun more bearable in an emergency situation.
I believe the sandman k would still barely be too long to fit my particular bag, as the Omega 9K is already a pretty tight fit. It would likely fit in a lot of other bags though
@@InferiorRifles is the delta p brevis still being made? Its a little shorty beer can affair it was all over UA-cam and instagram a couple of years back but don’t see anything on it nowadays. Would likely work perfectly for something like this.
@@H.Green83 Gave up trying to hear back from Delta P and went with a Nomad.
They got bought out by some giant manufacturer last year sometime - was in the Dallas news. The plan is to make it available to civilians, but I haven't heard anything since then. @@H.Green83
Glad to see this! The 2.0/ rattler has been my go-to for the last year or so
This was on sale for $139 today for Memorial Day. Just picked it up! Thanks for the review.
In the real world 99.9% of people won't recognize a Vertx pack from a Jansport or 5.11 pants from a pair of cargo Dockers (I don't wear "tactical" pants for other reasons, but point remains.) The vast majority of people are oblivious to what's going on around them, let alone that some dude's pants have extra pockets or they've got a bag with a logo they saw on that viral tik tok video of a shooty gun guy.
LEO will possibly, and might mistake you for a bad guy
@@ThePromptWizard2023 I'm an honorably-retired police officer with a successful law enforcement career spanning 30 years. Shitbirds don't carry $3,000 Sig Rattlers in $200 sling bags.
Here is an issue. Yes, .300blk is better than 9mm. However, both rounds can kill. Now enter your ccw. You own a Glock, a B&t APC9 pro with a Glock lower may make sense. Carrying same ammo and magazines for both ccw and backpack makes sense. Now .300blk will cut through IIIA soft armor. And .300blk subsonic would break ribs and not puncture level IIIA soft armor.
How is this even a thought? Why would my side arm need to have the same magazine as my bigger, more capable gun. If the main gun runs dry why not just switch to the side arm ? I mean if you have a 2 mag loadout like this guy, what Scenario do you really think your gonna need more then 60 rounds from a bag gun
I love your videos and cloned a Rattler after seeing your first video. Definitely one of my favorite guns.
Glad to see a new rattler video
Look forward to your videos!! Great stuff!!
I just noticed that you drilled through the vertical grip of the APC9 to allow cable pass through. Neat trick!
For a broken down AR-15 upper and lower check out the 5.11 tactical covert molle panel it’s what I’m using for my bag gun. Not super quick to deploy but keeps everything from flopping around
My Sig Rattler is small enough to fit into Any Regular Backpack. Which makes it an Awesome Bag Gun!
My gun bag for my CC rifle is a normal small backpack. S&W FPC 16" 9mm PPC folds in half, fits perfect, and can deploy from the bag in 4 seconds (my record). I think this Vertex bag is going to become known for CC sadly.
You gotta post more videos man, you’re really good and interesting
Look at the Maxim CGS Micro Signature Suppressor… it’s basically a mini CGS Hyperion, only adding 4.6” to the bare muzzle (its direct thread). So basically a suppressed Rattler will be the same length as a 10.3 unsuppressed Mk18 with a folder.
the webpage for it says its only for 8.5 inch or longer barrels
Curious as to why you got rid of the BOSS.
Also interested to hear this
Same
My guess?
Not being able to run the switches on the top got too annoying and brightness doesn't go up high enough for daytime contrast vs light background
The BOSS is a very night centric, "I need to rip this thing out of my bag with zero snags/weight" sorta thing
When you need to take it into some other environment its shortcomings stack up very fast which is why it's such a niche rarely seen product vs say the RAID
I would have to double check, but I think the 5.11 select carry sling bag could fit a rattler with a 6-7 inch suppressor fairly well. The only issue would be finding one these days since I think they were discontinued
IMO the "backpack gun" is obsolete honestly. We can fit full sized ARs in backpacks now. If you've got the time to pull something out that isn't a pistol, you have the time to deploy a full on rifle.
Should you carry a tourniquet when you are carrying concealed?
Does it look like you are looking for trouble?
I was looking away from screen when this was said…
These are the first 2 items you should put into the backpack after the gun itself. A magazine and a CAT 🐈.. WHAT?!! Turned and looked…. Ohhh a C.A.T.
The quiet kid: hello I would like to order this for some suspicious stuff
I like the bag, but figured my Nike would be better for concealment. Fit my scorpion easily.
I assume that any adult carrying a backpack, especially a man, has a shorty rifle, spare mags, and a trauma med kit in it. The make and model of backpack doesn't matter.
All that said, I have a Commute 2.0 with a G17/Omega 9k/MCK 2.0 that fold up nice inside. The weight is not overbearing.
I initially entertained the idea of a 8.3" 300B with a 17 Defense integrated folding lower AR pistol but it was so heavy that I better be looking for trouble to walk around with it.
I am so glad that I don't live in your world of delusion and crippling paranoia.
@@THEjoelivingstone Your comment is completely non sequitur as a reply to my comment and the very specific subject of this video.
Define and qualify delusion and crippling paranoia and then square that with something I've said.
Your comment says more about you than it was ever intended to say about me.
The edit and delete feature is free.
@@The10thManRules See how defensive you got over 16 words? It's called overkill.
I've got no need for edit and delete, and I'd be doing you a disservice if I didn't mention that you apparently don't understand what non sequitur means. Keep it tacticool Mr. MallMerc.
@@THEjoelivingstone Juvenile punk. Your momma should have swallowed you and have given the anonymous homeless man that's your unfortunate father a discount.
@@THEjoelivingstone you can count?
I’d go with a regular jansport like he said in the beginning
What about a bag you could fit your LVAW into?
are you confident running this gun unsuppressed?
I have heard some people have issues running subs unsuppressed
I’ve personally had no reliability issues with supers or subs (suppressed or unsuppressed) so long as the gas valve is on the correct position. I believe that most of the issues people have had come from either 1) Having the valve on the incorrect position or 2) Using lightly loaded subs.
I have a vertx gamut that I can fit my 8inch .300blk AR pistol with a folding buffer tube setup. Only downside is it won't cycle folded and the bag is quite large.
dead foot arms MCS.. check ‘em out. can fire while in the folded position.
@@rooster_saucerwhat’s that ?
@@obeii1805google it.
Love my commuter sling
Do you know if a MCX Spear LT 300BLK SBR with stock folded will fit in the Vertx Commuter Sling?
With the 9’’ barrel, no.
@@InferiorRifles that’s to bad
Did you SBR all of those? If so, why? I'm pretty sure it's illegal to carry a suppressed firearm. You can have it with but not attached. I may be wrong but please clarify if so. In Florida your setup would be illegal as a pistol.
It’s not illegal in any way to carry a suppressed firearm.
It's illegal to carry it concealed with the suppressor attached. And the vertical foregrip is illegal unless that is a SBR with the tax stamp@@InferiorRifles
@@merrette you have bad info. And it’s an SBR. Carrying suppressed SBRs and pistols in bags is VERY commonplace in states (like mine) that have constitutional carry. Google is your friend.
Easy enough to pick up an old Nike, Adidas, or Jansport bag from the thrift store. Detach the logo and stitch it onto your 5.11 or Vertx bag. Now you look like everybody else.
You get less worried the more you carry.
Were I live you can ccw a pistol, but you cannot ccw a sbr. Its weird
Hey when you buy that APC9 Stock does it come with everything you need to install it ??
Unless you buy a stock that comes with the hydraulic buffer assembly, you will need to re-use the one that comes installed in the gun from B&T.
@@InferiorRifles I sold that lol so I would need that part too
Do you think you could run an LVAW in the EDC Commuter Sling 2.0 XL?
Not as I currently have mine configured (SRD762Ti + 10.5’’ Handguard). Possibly with a shorter suppressor and/or handguard
@@InferiorRifles INteresting thanks for your reply.
Would you recommend this as a range bag for pistols?
Why not? It’ll do the job.
I like bigger range bags. So I can carry my spotting scope, chronograph, tools, first aid kit, and some other stuff. (I shoot outdoor at a multi-use range both close and long distance).
If you are just going for a quick shoot; nothing wrong with a little bag. If you are shooting at an indoor range you don’t need the extra stuff anyways.
P90? or Glock + KPOS kit?
Make the pack even more tactical, because all of them people who have committed crimes with guns none of them them used tactical backpacks. They were all cheap W-mart and none brand packs.
Woops. I carry mostly tactical backpacks. I just like the look. Guess I'll have to try for something else. Never considered an AR in a pack as a carry option.
I think it's a legitimate need... just use common sense. IMHO in a world where psychos are gunning down grocery store shoppers, there is a legitimate need to something more capable than a regular pistol. I don't consider a PDW an "everyday" thing you would carry though.
50 yards max range for self defense, therefore 9mm is adequate. You will damage your hearing firing an unsuppressed rifle.
Tell me you don’t understand ballistics, without telling me you don’t understand ballistics
Lol
"A full 30 rd mag is too long to fit"
My PP Bizon 19 enters the chat.
They thicc tho.
I'm NOT being a smart ass but let me ask you this. Since your saying the 9mm is no longer capable compared to the "modern day small rifle packages" feel free to stand down range during a gunfight with me and my 9mm PCC SBR. Again, I'm not trying to be a smart ass but just making a point.
You have a point, just a dumb one. I wouldn’t want to stand down range from a BB gun either. That doesn’t mean I’d carry one for protection.
Anyone who wants to carry a weapon in public should be in prison. It's madness.
Lock me up, chief.
ring ring*
B.O.R. called, they want your 2nd amendment back.
Why are you here?
No. People like you who willingly allow themselves to be potential victims is madness.
ROFL boy, when your wife is about to be raped or killed while you sit there defenseless, you will wish you had one man. Protect your family. Sure, years ago, had the 2A been followed better, we would have regulated militias (2A people love to leave that out). But now we are back in the Wild West. Which is fine, just adapt. I would never go anywhere without my CC, and never go hiking without the backpack gun.