Put lockers in the older vehicles, or run the new one without its lockers, and the capabilities of both old and new will be far more similar than they are different.
Dont all wranglers also have brake lock diffs too anyways? Even turning off the lockers, that system seems to work great. Got BLDs in my KL TH, and frankly unless its in very tough situations, i dont need lockers.
No, new jeeps have way more articulation. Meaning the wheels stay on the ground which if you didn’t have a locker would still have traction at one of the drive wheels.
@@mcfero1 as a samurai owner, the sway bar is worthless, no use on road or off-road. If they removed it it would probably be enough to give it the articulation to climb that hill without spining tires, even with that small road tire.
I say Detroit Truetracs front and rear if you have a daily driver you like to take off road occasionally. And quite frankly, you will more than hold your own off road with the Truetracs if you know what you are doing.
I've watched a million review channels. This is the only one I subscribed to. They're fun, well described, usually truthful, and a little crazy in a good way.
Lockers aren't modern tech, they are just more common now. Buy a rig for under $4k. Learn to work on it yourself. Install lockers. Remove sway bars. Have good tires put on. Now you have a vehicle that is just as capable as a new $50k Wrangler for a fraction of the price and you won't be afraid of getting scratches and dings. You're welcome.
Even if you are not really mechanically savy, you could pay someone to install the more difficult components like the lockers and still have lots of gas money in your pocket.
I found an 89 Jeep Comanche (MJ) last year for sale and kicking myself for not buying it, it was already built, lockers front and rear, lift, tires, etc....$15,000 damn nice truck and an awesome price for what all was done to it, lockers were ARB so it also had onboard air, that's over $2k right there, and tires/wheels another what $1500-2k so you would have got an awesome pre-built truck for far less than that bloated Wrangler Rubicon hype.
But you could put lockers in either of the older trucks and sway bar disconnects and still pocket close to $30,000. Its not a new VS old, its over priced VS cheap. And if you tip the Suki on its side, you don't need a winch or a second vehicle, just climb out and tip it over by hand.
Luke Edward I had a liberty, took it, stock, into places it probably should not have gone. It was great. Always wanted to lift it a bit and add lockers. Was a great rig. Moved to a wrangler but the liberty was better on road.
Maybe it’s just me, but it looks like the drivers need more practice with fundamental vehicles. We drove trails like those 40 years ago with minimal issues with our Jeeps.
Damn, finally found someone that is getting the same feeling. They start with 40" tires and lockers and never learn how to use momentum... I've had a samurai for over 12 years now, and the hills are still the same, but everyone went from 31s and 33s to 37s and 40s.
Mega also it doesn’t look like they know how to crawl with a manual transmission. The clutch on that samurai is a huge advantage if you know how to use it.
My 02 TJ is built and can run on difficult trails without any drama, it just goes. It could spank that Rubi on the trail. And I have less than half of the cost of a new Rubi in my TJ. Rubicons still need suspension upgrades to make them truly trial ready. Not just soccer-Dad trail ready... That being said, I'm not driving the latest-coolest-Heep! lol
Its a dramatic "reality" show they really dramatize everything, and nothing on that trail they took requires any modifications and certainly doesn't require lockers, sway bar disconnects, etc.
Jeep bring back the Comanche . Make a basic model call it classic like u did with the Cherokee 1997-2001 then make other editions .....I love The Comanche as is stock and simple
I like simple too, but don't hold your breath on simple coming to a new car dealership any time soon. First off, mandated safety stuff adds thousands to the price. Then, although you and I vote for simple, not enough consumers are willing to buy a new vehicle without electric windows and locks, AC, cruise, etc to be worth spec'ing one like that. Good thing there is still a decent (though dwindling) supply of simple older vehicles around to coax along through a few more years. By the time today's babies go looking for one, something like the Comanche or Zuke here will be fetching prices that a clean FJ40 or Gen 1 Bronco go for today.
Interesting video, off-roaders have come along way. People lamenting “it’s not the good ol days of crash’n & bash’n” ... “we call this section the Head Banger, you’ll bounce your head off the A-pillar or window so watch yourself” ... newer vehicles make it child’s play. The people that complain are they same people that purposely fall off a tall slide & call you a sissy for making it all the way down. “I’m pretty sure I broke my arm, that was awesome, you took the easy way, wuss, see how the bone sticks out, pretty sure that’s marrow, getting a little lightheaded, man that was fun” 🤣
In the 80's we used the two position throttle technique. All the way on or all the way off and yes it made four wheeling much more fun. It also made for way more damage which was also way more fun to repair.
Well of course modern tech is more capable... but it's also more difficult to work on yourself. And then of course when you break something, which you will if you off road regularly, your costs are quite a bit higher with more tech.
There is hardly any new technology in the newer jeep. Solid axles, locking diffs, sway bar disconnect, short wheel base, good approach and departure angle, good break over angle, ground clearance., good tires, good low end torque, low crawl ratio, articulation. That is what matters offroad. New tech can suck my ass.
Yeah, you only engage the front locker when you absolutely need it. I remember driving a TJ Rubicon on a specially constructed off road training course about a decade ago, and never needed the front locker.
These $50,000 and up rigs rarely see off road conditions and are out of reach for most people. Off roading for the masses means used vehicles in todays world.
Most times you don't need those lockers either, there wasn't any place they went on that "trail" that required lockers or even limited slip. Just good driving skills and some decent tires.
You got that right. I live in a nice neighborhood there's a bunch of people with Jeep rubicon's they're used to transport kids back and forth from school other than that they sit in the driveway and they drive their minivans during the week. Within the past year or so most of those Jeeps have been traded in for crossover SUVs
Nice video and I have liked following the Cheap Jeep. Tip I use to stop Trail pin striping is before I go on my hunting trips out west is to not wash my truck for at least a month or two and when it has a layer of dirt and mud it has seem to me to stop most of it. My times I have thought Man I just put a big scratch on my truck only to wash it and there is nothing.
i am finding in the JL that the newer traction control system is so fast that i haven't needed the lockers yet. it moves the power to the wheel with traction very fast and effortlessly.
@@JustinKingOffroad I'll just skip buying vehicles that have it in the first place, just something else to fail and cost you lots of money to have fixed...or at some point when the hackers get bored again and decide to start hacking all that garbage in your vehicle you'll then quickly realize how dumb of an idea it really is.
I'm starting to see a pattern in the videos, clearly people want an "affordable" jeep pickup, that's not as long as a boat. Which is funny because the math shows people buy 4 door trucks more then ever. Give me a TJ engine/parts, a normal size bed, and no bells and whistles and I'll throw my money at you.
I think we all realize that 95 percent of people that buy expensive 4x4s never take them off road. Especially those pretentious snobs that drive Range Rovers! Hahaha.
Dude, people would have hated a single cab Gladiator, they would have hated a cherokee style truck and a lot hate on the 4dr gladiator. Thing is though, that 4dr gladiator makes so much sense if you can afford it and like a decent offroad truck, plus open air feel and a bed to haul dirt bikes. People are just so dramatic nowadays, no matter what Jeep did, people would talk shit.
How about upgrading the suspension and rightsizing the tires on the Commanche? I'd like to see what the Commanche can do with more modern off road tech.
Yeah camanche is good . Its got the hilux syndrome. Needs weight in it or leafs removed as its no longer a workers car on the trail but a recreational vehicle.
I have a couple observations in regards to the Rubicon you fail to ever mention Transfer case gearing for a much better over all reduction.. This a is huge feature you guys never talk about. But In darn near every truck video you guys will make a huge deal over how one truck has a 4.10 rear axle ration vs the then other truck at a 3.73 and stuff like that which over all means little to nothing since you dont take into account overall final drive ration or torque converter stall.. But here you have a transfer case in a jeep that makes a huge difference in over all gear ratio allowing much more control and you never speak of it. Also the other difference you never mentioned in this video is the difference between the auto tranny and manual tranny. This is also a factor that allows lower gears essentially with that torque converter slip. So both of these previous items allow for much greater control when combined with lockers.. Now both the jeep and samurai you can for VERY cheap add lower transfer case gears and a a couple lockers. yes not stock I know, but much cheaper than $51k That would be a great video. Showing the difference going up that hill with both the jeep and the samurai before and after lockers and lower transfer case gears. You could install "lunchbox " style lockers very cheap. Or go arb and spend big bucks. Performance would be the same going up that hill. Just better street manors with the arbs obviously. Tcase gearing is extremely cheap for the samurai and for the jeep a little more. Over all you guys are geniuses since you make videos like this constantly and you have a huge following just praising you for every little thing you guys do. But there are videos you can make that are very technical and correct that show real world actual improvements. Let me bring my little old Toyota pickup with double transfer cases, 33's, lockers and very mild suspension out and show you what I mean. :)
@@kkzj72 That would be neat. It is really cool when folks fisrt see the difference with dual cases. You can show stock gearing, doubled up gearing and so on. Shows a real good example instantaneous on how it changes wheeling.. And to see the difference with them doing it to the sammy would make for a great video that would actually educate people more that "these tires are really good" kind of education..
HAHA the double T-case mod, and given you've got a toyota pickup you probably have 3 sticks out of the floor LOL, that'll confuse many would-be car thieves. Haven't ever had the need to do a double t-case but driven a couple and geez in low low 1st gear you could get out have a picnic lunch and the Jeep wouldn't be too far down the trail HAHA!!!
@@wildbill23c yea it can get insanely low for gearing with the doubled up gears. I also have a lower gear set in the back tcase(over 200 to 1) and you can not stall the motor at idle. 4wd both lockers locked in you can not stall the motor in the lowest gear.. something spins or breaks :) have never broke..hahaha I live 2 hrs from the Rubicon trial as well as Fordyce and the low gears get used regularly and make the journey over said trails much more controlled. Mostly run in single low but there are plenty of obstacles that going double low or lower is very much useful. Marlin crawler here on UA-cam has a couple videos showing the difference on difficult obstacles and it is really clear the advantage. I have been running duals in toyotas now for almost 20 years and it is awesome..
Keep on saying the Rubicon is too good a vehicle out the box to pit against these older vehicles. But I'd love to see my old Willys wagon 1958 take on the two 80's. Truth is nothing changed in Fourwheel drive vehicles until the Rubicon came along.
Nothing in the Rubicon makes it cool either, you can get lockers, sway bar disconnects, and red tow hooks put on any vehicle practically...the Wrangler itself like many other vehicles are nothing but a status show off symbol and aren't anymore capable than any other vehicle on the road, and many times you never use 99% of the crap that the Rubicon has, and for $50k+ you could build one hell of an offroader and still have a lot of money left over for a 2nd offroader.
William Todd It's a good vehicle Todd. sure many want to be seen in it rather than use it to its capabilities but hats off to Jeep they sold +- 2 million of them and it created a huge after market business, it employs thousands of Americans.
@@garthhayward9581 Huge aftermarket for the new ones isn't out there too much as of right now I don't think, maybe a year or 2 before the aftermarket catches up with the new generation...that's where the real money is, selling all those ridiculously over-priced aftermarket add-ons to make a vehicle look cute so they can show it off. I run into people all the time not just with Jeeps but other makes and models that are all accessorized, and ask them where they take their vehicle, their answer oh I just drive it to work....aftermarket loves those people. I bet a person could make a ton of money running a Jeep used parts lot too with all the damage done while offroading, and while onroading. The older Wranglers maybe late 90's and older I wouldn't mind but newer ones are way too electronically controlled for my taste, and for the price they want for them where I live they can keep them....tons of other cheaper options out there with the same capability.
That was the first trail I took my stock KL on... it did fine, but the skid plates were used a bit. I really want to try my lifted KL though with my 31"KO2s
I have the factory limited slip in my 98 ZJ, works just fine for everything I'll ever do, my 96 ZJ with open diffs saw far more offroading excursions than my 98 ZJ ever will and it did great so adding that limited slip in my 98 ZJ I could only imagine the added traction it would give.
Just welding the rear she's spider gears could make a good difference. Simple, fairly quick, and almost free, minus wire/sticks. That would be my solution :)
All the technology in the newer 4×4 vehicles is nice to a point, but the old school four wheelen required you to be good at the challenges of the off road experience where in the newer vehicles the technology does most the work for you, you don't have to be good at it the vehicle does it for you.
Well there's that. However it does make offloading more accessible. I mean you usually need other gear(come along) and maybe a spotter. Whereas with the Rubicon you can do without that.
And a lot of people would be dumping the stock 33" tires for 35" or more. It's a wealthy man's toy for sure. $51,800 before TT&L. Plus another $2k for the 35's. Plus don't you want a nice front and rear bumper with that? Get a winch too. That's another $4k right there (if not more). So we're approaching $60k. Still, it's fun.
I hate the bull bars primarily due to crash worthiness. Tha bull bars bypass crumple zones and increase death risk for both crasher and crashed vehicles.
Ryno5150 I think in Colorado they take them off road often. But I live in a place with very few off road options. So that’s more true here. Gravel roads are hard to find here. Anything that the family sedan can’t do is a 8 hour trip. At least.
Timothy Clark I hit a mule deer with my truck. Straight on at 70 MPH. A better bumper with a pre-runner bar would have protected the radiator better than stock. I got very lucky because the deer was running full speed and therefore pretty low and the stock bumper handled the impact well. But had the deer been higher, she would have been into the plastic grill and cooling system. A pre-runner bar might have helped reduce damage to the cooling system.
@@dahveed284 I have no doubt a bull bar will help you with a deer. However that very bull bar will put people at risk in an accident with another vehicle. I would definitely sue someone if they run into me and if they have a bull bar.
We didn't sweat anything. Custom trail body mods are required. As long as the doors open and the windows are intact and no fluids leak, it is all good.
Quick question regarding your ORI scale. You stated that a vehicle at 99+ can tackle the Rubicon trail, and that no factory vehicles so far have achieved that. If I am not mistaken, any Trailrated Jeep has been tested to pass the Rubicon Trail, including vehicles like the Compass and Renegade, which would not score very high on the ORI scale (but for good reasons, no arguements here). What do you guys think in regards to that? I am not trying to be confrontational, just asking as someone who loves your guys videos and have a much better appreciation for cars and offroading because of you guys. :)
My questions to you are. Do you think the Rubicon will still be around in 30 years? With all of the electronics and computors in it, and the way those items are continually being outdated will it still be serviceable or even drivable in 30 years? I know there is really no way of answering that, but it does make you wonder if older isn't actually better.
Carbs are still around, and will be forever imo. The early efi from the 80s is obsolete. More and more stories about those ecm’s and sensors dying off makes me think they will go to the junkyard. Any old carbed truck/car will get a rebuild or a new Edelbrock/Holley and be ready to roll. As for off-road, Holley now makes off-road carbs too
They don’t even want to put larger than stock tires on the samurai for quote drivability reasons There was a good reason the Sammy outsold the wrangler 2 to 1 I personally own a 86 samurai
I think we all saw that coming. How about, to see what difference it makes, for a goof, tie an arm behind the Rubicon's back? Go and swap the tires on the Rubicon for some cheap H/Ts and see how much more difficult that trail becomes?
Lockers weren't inknown of in the 80's The Pinzgauer had them way earlier and i'm sure it wasn't the first vehicle, the G Wagon had lockers from the beginning too.
Guys, love all the videos! Just wish you could tone down all the music. Fun to listen to sounds of the off road and the commentary. Music tends to drown out what is best about what you do! Thanks for being on UA-cam!!
Just put some lockers on both the comanche and the samurai and give it another try. Or try to do the same with the JL without disconnecting the sway bar or connecting lockers. Love the new JL but it is a shame that in Europe the Rubicon does not come with the 33" tires or even with the same ground clearance as in the US.
hey guys... how about do some trail with the best off roader you got then stack it up against the polaris you have... maybe the TFL pro vs the Rubicon vs the polaris... and maybe the rebel you built...
I realize this is the "cheap Jeep" but, unless you are comparing available options from the factory when new, it's not a fair comparison. Add lockers to the Comanche and sway bar disconnects to make it a more fair comparison.
it is an unfair test. put lockers in the samurai or the comanche and you will have completely different results. this video is like comparing a fiero and a ferrari. they are both mid engine cars but you can’t compare them.
William Todd honestly, that’s one reason why I hate ones like the gladiator or the new land cruisers. While yes they do have offroad merit and are somewhat capable, they’ve just been built for comfort and not for the worst the world has to offer
I'm liking wranglers more and more, I'd love to get one someday. Around here so many people have new ones, all blinged out with shiny stuff... Hopefully they'll be cheap in a few years then maybe I'll pick one up when they're nice and depreciated with 100k+ miles.
I use the ZJ as a Kayak hauler, mostly fishing exc. I'm not an off-roader like we see in the vids. Also, sometimes I need to carry more then what I can in a Wrangler.
Love my ZJ's too...Had a 96 and sold it with 232k of a lot of hard offroad miles on it, and currently have a 98 ZJ with 158k on it with very little offroad use, just not much into the offroading stuff anymore but my 98 ZJ does have the added bonus of a limited slip rear axle that my 96 ZJ didn't have so I can imagine the added help that would have given back in my fun offroading days LOL.
Hey I’ve thought of an interesting video idea: Say you were in an older vehicle like the cheap Jeep. You are going down a steep grade and the brakes aren’t stopping you. Would the handbrake give you more stopping power?
OK, so take the price of that Rubicon Wrangler, at least $40k and I'm pretty sure I'm low balling, and compare to the Comanche with the cist of air lockers and some disconnects for the from sway bar, and not only will you probably not break $10k but the Comanche would go anywhere that Wrangler would despite the leaf springs. The technology on the Wrangler is not new, it's been around, it just happens to be included, hence the price tag.
Did people back in the 80's manually disconnect their sway bars before going up something like this. Or were there aftermarket eectric sway bar disconnects available?
Plan: get a rubicon and sell it snd get a comanche with 4 cylinder for good gas, one super lifted for off road, and one with big engine and long bed for hauling
Skip the Rubicon junk and just buy a Comanche with the 4L I6, install lockers and you'll be all set to tackle everything that over-priced Rubicon can and more because your rig cost less than 1/2 what that Rubicon did and you won't be as afraid to actually drive the Comanche offroad as the new owner of a $50k+ toy would be.
And then if you want more rule for your and the rear for Anna you take go to the rear lease rear leaf springs and you see the extra little leaf springs on you take one of those off or you can take two of them off and then make them a little bit more bent and it will give you a little bit more Flex in the back of the rear for that you can actually we're reconstructing what we have but give you more Flex for the Jeep Comanche
2:40 pun intended ? Side note, did everyone else know when you put in a time on a comment which turned to a link that the video went to that time? I just found out a few days ago.. Wondered why it showed as a link... Maybe I am a slow learner.
50k for lockers and sway bar disconnect. Nothing to do with new technology. Lockers are ancient. Would rather have old with Yukon locker, or if strictly offroad, welded rear end
I am probably the odd one out but I will take the new one. Easy quiet highway cruising to the trail, heated seats, AC, good smooth handling ride. When I was younger I would have said take the older one but now I would rather drive in comfort.
????Quiet highway cruising...you've obviously never been in a wrangler on the highway they're anything but quiet, the new ones are far from quiet as well but have a stereo in them that you can turn up loud enough to drown out the noise somewhat. They're not comfortable either, its like driving a square box on wheels, they have such a short wheelbase (yes even the 4 Door Wranglers) that you feel every little pebble in the road.
@@wildbill23c you obviously have never had a YJ with TSLs and a worn out soft top with soft doors and the 4 banger raging at 4K... JKU is a first class flight compared to that. Guess its all about perspective.
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Pretty sure first to comment on this, just add some lockers to the Comanche. Nothing a wrench won't solve on that "articulation problem" up front either. Still not convinced $51k is or ever will be justifiable for these things; not even close.
Cringe factor for new is the real issue. Even IF that Rubi was as narrow as the old Willy's you would be cringing about brush and what have you. Once the cringe phase is over with tho, that Rubi is going to be the best thing you can get for trail crawling.(next to a TRD of course ;) ) Nice you utilized your pitch and roll gauges as you were putting along. When you are discussing how steep or articulate things get and say.. "don't know if you can tell on camera how steep this really is" it sort of seems pointless to even mention it at times. So this will give you something you can illustrate. I just use the water bottle for visual Q and my phones level app. for precise degree determination. :) You should now bring your LRD up that same trail since it is between old and new and has been modified to compete with straight out of the factory performers like the Rubi.
Show some love to the samurai like you did the comanche.. I wish you threw in the stock samurai on this video for the hell of it.. Unless you did and I just started the video without watching it all.
As much As i love the wrangler id still have tbe old biest im one of them people that like old 4x4s and old 4x4 tech much more fun and less to go wrong obviously need lockers Tho either wAy saying that i dont even have a locker no more iv got a lsd that works amazing
Not too sure about that, you are talking $1000+ for the locker alone then add the cost of a compressor, and you are $1500+ easily I'd think for ARB but they're awesome lockers and give you the bonus of onboard air too which is the direction I'd go.
@@wildbill23c They work the same way a Detroit locker does only they go into you open carrier. I have Spartan lunchbox lockers in the front and rear of my Cherokee on 35s and they work great.
I have a 2015 silverado... “technology “ got me stuck, I was attempting to blast across a deep snow drift and I forgot to shut off the traction control,, in my opinion traction control doesn’t belong on a 4x4! Back to the rubicon, it’s an incredible vehicle, but the price is outrageous! Who takes a loaded $70,000. vehicle Off road?
Hey tomorrow when I get some pictures of my dad's front suspension and I will give you a couple of pictures of the prince suspension that you can use and that it's only $800 for this front suspension you can run 35s on your on the Jeep Comanche you have the suspension and it's made for rock crawling where it where will like two fingers you can push down and able to go straight down that's how good it is it's made for rock crawling when it is brand new because this it's a King's Rock yeah Kings rock crawling suspension it's only $800 and it's like a 6x6 to 7 lift kit inch lift kit it's pretty good and it's only for the front
Put lockers in the older vehicles, or run the new one without its lockers, and the capabilities of both old and new will be far more similar than they are different.
The older ones will be better, because they are lighter.
Dont all wranglers also have brake lock diffs too anyways? Even turning off the lockers, that system seems to work great.
Got BLDs in my KL TH, and frankly unless its in very tough situations, i dont need lockers.
No, new jeeps have way more articulation. Meaning the wheels stay on the ground which if you didn’t have a locker would still have traction at one of the drive wheels.
@@mcfero1 as a samurai owner, the sway bar is worthless, no use on road or off-road. If they removed it it would probably be enough to give it the articulation to climb that hill without spining tires, even with that small road tire.
I say Detroit Truetracs front and rear if you have a daily driver you like to take off road occasionally. And quite frankly, you will more than hold your own off road with the Truetracs if you know what you are doing.
There is something about the older Jeep that I love.... well it might be that I can’t afford a new one
The old tractor inline 6 is by far more reliable
Lol nice
David Jones definitely agree with that, love my 4l, it just ticking over
FOX1095 I wouldn’t say ugly but it’s definitely not the same as the older ones
I love that the MJ reminds me of the 2 XJ's I had and unlike the Gladiator, the MJ was designed with the right proportions.
I've watched a million review channels. This is the only one I subscribed to. They're fun, well described, usually truthful, and a little crazy in a good way.
You can always add ARB lockers to the Comanche and Samurai, the Samurai especially can be amazing with lockers because of its tiny size
Love watching these offroad videos. Ever since motortrend stopped uploading videos on UA-cam i finally have some decent offroad content to watch!
Lockers aren't modern tech, they are just more common now.
Buy a rig for under $4k. Learn to work on it yourself. Install lockers. Remove sway bars. Have good tires put on. Now you have a vehicle that is just as capable as a new $50k Wrangler for a fraction of the price and you won't be afraid of getting scratches and dings.
You're welcome.
Ryno5150 100% agree with you on this mate. There is just something about working and building your own rod that is just satisfying
Even if you are not really mechanically savy, you could pay someone to install the more difficult components like the lockers and still have lots of gas money in your pocket.
But you will be waaaay more comfortable in the Rubicon
Yeah a project truck is nice on the trail, not so much as a daily driver, or getting to the trail.
I found an 89 Jeep Comanche (MJ) last year for sale and kicking myself for not buying it, it was already built, lockers front and rear, lift, tires, etc....$15,000 damn nice truck and an awesome price for what all was done to it, lockers were ARB so it also had onboard air, that's over $2k right there, and tires/wheels another what $1500-2k so you would have got an awesome pre-built truck for far less than that bloated Wrangler Rubicon hype.
But you could put lockers in either of the older trucks and sway bar disconnects and still pocket close to $30,000. Its not a new VS old, its over priced VS cheap. And if you tip the Suki on its side, you don't need a winch or a second vehicle, just climb out and tip it over by hand.
Y'all to fancy, too many wires, love my stock 1947 cj2a
More “Cheap Jeep “ videos plz!
Russ Freed I 100% agree with that
I love this. I’m doing my own “Cheap Jeep” with a 2002 Liberty I just acquired. The last few “Cheap _______” series on TFL have motivated me.
I've wondered about the off-roadability of a Liberty,...so I'd like to see this one ,...if only!!
@@regsparkes6507 they are not too bad for an ifs front end - i have a 2.5"lift on mine and a set of duratrac's - locker for the rear is the next mod
@@derekjarman1638 Then you two guys should make some 'in-roads' to TFL and show us what you are doing,..maybe??
Luke Edward I had a liberty, took it, stock, into places it probably should not have gone. It was great. Always wanted to lift it a bit and add lockers. Was a great rig. Moved to a wrangler but the liberty was better on road.
Luke Edward a Liberty build is underrated and a true cheap Jeep challenge.
Maybe it’s just me, but it looks like the drivers need more practice with fundamental vehicles. We drove trails like those 40 years ago with minimal issues with our Jeeps.
Damn, finally found someone that is getting the same feeling.
They start with 40" tires and lockers and never learn how to use momentum...
I've had a samurai for over 12 years now, and the hills are still the same, but everyone went from 31s and 33s to 37s and 40s.
Mega also it doesn’t look like they know how to crawl with a manual transmission. The clutch on that samurai is a huge advantage if you know how to use it.
My 02 TJ is built and can run on difficult trails without any drama, it just goes. It could spank that Rubi on the trail. And I have less than half of the cost of a new Rubi in my TJ. Rubicons still need suspension upgrades to make them truly trial ready. Not just soccer-Dad trail ready... That being said, I'm not driving the latest-coolest-Heep! lol
Its a dramatic "reality" show they really dramatize everything, and nothing on that trail they took requires any modifications and certainly doesn't require lockers, sway bar disconnects, etc.
Jeep bring back the Comanche . Make a basic model call it classic like u did with the Cherokee 1997-2001 then make other editions .....I love The Comanche as is stock and simple
I like simple too, but don't hold your breath on simple coming to a new car dealership any time soon. First off, mandated safety stuff adds thousands to the price. Then, although you and I vote for simple, not enough consumers are willing to buy a new vehicle without electric windows and locks, AC, cruise, etc to be worth spec'ing one like that. Good thing there is still a decent (though dwindling) supply of simple older vehicles around to coax along through a few more years. By the time today's babies go looking for one, something like the Comanche or Zuke here will be fetching prices that a clean FJ40 or Gen 1 Bronco go for today.
Interesting video, off-roaders have come along way.
People lamenting “it’s not the good ol days of crash’n & bash’n” ... “we call this section the Head Banger, you’ll bounce your head off the A-pillar or window so watch yourself” ... newer vehicles make it child’s play.
The people that complain are they same people that purposely fall off a tall slide & call you a sissy for making it all the way down. “I’m pretty sure I broke my arm, that was awesome, you took the easy way, wuss, see how the bone sticks out, pretty sure that’s marrow, getting a little lightheaded, man that was fun” 🤣
In the 80's we used the two position throttle technique. All the way on or all the way off and yes it made four wheeling much more fun. It also made for way more damage which was also way more fun to repair.
Well of course modern tech is more capable... but it's also more difficult to work on yourself. And then of course when you break something, which you will if you off road regularly, your costs are quite a bit higher with more tech.
There is hardly any new technology in the newer jeep. Solid axles, locking diffs, sway bar disconnect, short wheel base, good approach and departure angle, good break over angle, ground clearance., good tires, good low end torque, low crawl ratio, articulation. That is what matters offroad. New tech can suck my ass.
Add a 350 dollar lunch box locker in the front of that MJ and it will be fine.
Could probably find junkyard or craigslist axles with lockers installed for $350
And generally you want the front open so it still turns tight.
Yeah, you only engage the front locker when you absolutely need it. I remember driving a TJ Rubicon on a specially constructed off road training course about a decade ago, and never needed the front locker.
Funny hearing Tommy talk about hitting things in expensive vehicles. Like hitting a wall in a Model 3.
These $50,000 and up rigs rarely see off road conditions and are out of reach for most people. Off roading for the masses means used vehicles in todays world.
Most times you don't need those lockers either, there wasn't any place they went on that "trail" that required lockers or even limited slip. Just good driving skills and some decent tires.
You got that right. I live in a nice neighborhood there's a bunch of people with Jeep rubicon's they're used to transport kids back and forth from school other than that they sit in the driveway and they drive their minivans during the week. Within the past year or so most of those Jeeps have been traded in for crossover SUVs
My pathfinder would go up it easy
Nice video and I have liked following the Cheap Jeep. Tip I use to stop Trail pin striping is before I go on my hunting trips out west is to not wash my truck for at least a month or two and when it has a layer of dirt and mud it has seem to me to stop most of it.
My times I have thought Man I just put a big scratch on my truck only to wash it and there is nothing.
I'll take the old Comanche and swap in some lockers.
i am finding in the JL that the newer traction control system is so fast that i haven't needed the lockers yet. it moves the power to the wheel with traction very fast and effortlessly.
You'll just be replacing brakes like crazy, huge downfall to that brake traction crap, eats through brake pads like crazy.
@@wildbill23c true. But I have the programmer that allows me to shut that off totally. Tazer jl mini.
@@JustinKingOffroad I'll just skip buying vehicles that have it in the first place, just something else to fail and cost you lots of money to have fixed...or at some point when the hackers get bored again and decide to start hacking all that garbage in your vehicle you'll then quickly realize how dumb of an idea it really is.
I'm starting to see a pattern in the videos, clearly people want an "affordable" jeep pickup, that's not as long as a boat. Which is funny because the math shows people buy 4 door trucks more then ever. Give me a TJ engine/parts, a normal size bed, and no bells and whistles and I'll throw my money at you.
I think we all realize that 95 percent of people that buy expensive 4x4s never take them off road. Especially those pretentious snobs that drive Range Rovers! Hahaha.
Dude, people would have hated a single cab Gladiator, they would have hated a cherokee style truck and a lot hate on the 4dr gladiator. Thing is though, that 4dr gladiator makes so much sense if you can afford it and like a decent offroad truck, plus open air feel and a bed to haul dirt bikes. People are just so dramatic nowadays, no matter what Jeep did, people would talk shit.
How about upgrading the suspension and rightsizing the tires on the Commanche? I'd like to see what the Commanche can do with more modern off road tech.
Yeah camanche is good . Its got the hilux syndrome. Needs weight in it or leafs removed as its no longer a workers car on the trail but a recreational vehicle.
Matt Luszczak agreed, I wish they would at least throw 500lbs of firewood in the back of any pickups they take off road.
I have a couple observations in regards to the Rubicon you fail to ever mention
Transfer case gearing for a much better over all reduction.. This a is huge feature you guys never talk about. But In darn near every truck video you guys will make a huge deal over how one truck has a 4.10 rear axle ration vs the then other truck at a 3.73 and stuff like that which over all means little to nothing since you dont take into account overall final drive ration or torque converter stall..
But here you have a transfer case in a jeep that makes a huge difference in over all gear ratio allowing much more control and you never speak of it.
Also the other difference you never mentioned in this video is the difference between the auto tranny and manual tranny. This is also a factor that allows lower gears essentially with that torque converter slip. So both of these previous items allow for much greater control when combined with lockers..
Now both the jeep and samurai you can for VERY cheap add lower transfer case gears and a a couple lockers. yes not stock I know, but much cheaper than $51k
That would be a great video. Showing the difference going up that hill with both the jeep and the samurai before and after lockers and lower transfer case gears.
You could install "lunchbox " style lockers very cheap. Or go arb and spend big bucks. Performance would be the same going up that hill. Just better street manors with the arbs obviously.
Tcase gearing is extremely cheap for the samurai and for the jeep a little more.
Over all you guys are geniuses since you make videos like this constantly and you have a huge following just praising you for every little thing you guys do. But there are videos you can make that are very technical and correct that show real world actual improvements.
Let me bring my little old Toyota pickup with double transfer cases, 33's, lockers and very mild suspension out and show you what I mean. :)
American Patriot Adventures I would watch that!
@@kkzj72 That would be neat. It is really cool when folks fisrt see the difference with dual cases. You can show stock gearing, doubled up gearing and so on. Shows a real good example instantaneous on how it changes wheeling..
And to see the difference with them doing it to the sammy would make for a great video that would actually educate people more that "these tires are really good" kind of education..
HAHA the double T-case mod, and given you've got a toyota pickup you probably have 3 sticks out of the floor LOL, that'll confuse many would-be car thieves. Haven't ever had the need to do a double t-case but driven a couple and geez in low low 1st gear you could get out have a picnic lunch and the Jeep wouldn't be too far down the trail HAHA!!!
@@wildbill23c yea it can get insanely low for gearing with the doubled up gears. I also have a lower gear set in the back tcase(over 200 to 1) and you can not stall the motor at idle. 4wd both lockers locked in you can not stall the motor in the lowest gear.. something spins or breaks :) have never broke..hahaha
I live 2 hrs from the Rubicon trial as well as Fordyce and the low gears get used regularly and make the journey over said trails much more controlled. Mostly run in single low but there are plenty of obstacles that going double low or lower is very much useful. Marlin crawler here on UA-cam has a couple videos showing the difference on difficult obstacles and it is really clear the advantage. I have been running duals in toyotas now for almost 20 years and it is awesome..
In episode 4 they mention the Rubi case
Keep on saying the Rubicon is too good a vehicle out the box to pit against these older vehicles. But I'd love to see my old Willys wagon 1958 take on the two 80's. Truth is nothing changed in Fourwheel drive vehicles until the Rubicon came along.
Nothing in the Rubicon makes it cool either, you can get lockers, sway bar disconnects, and red tow hooks put on any vehicle practically...the Wrangler itself like many other vehicles are nothing but a status show off symbol and aren't anymore capable than any other vehicle on the road, and many times you never use 99% of the crap that the Rubicon has, and for $50k+ you could build one hell of an offroader and still have a lot of money left over for a 2nd offroader.
William Todd It's a good vehicle Todd. sure many want to be seen in it rather than use it to its capabilities but hats off to Jeep they sold +- 2 million of them and it created a huge after market business, it employs thousands of Americans.
@@garthhayward9581 Huge aftermarket for the new ones isn't out there too much as of right now I don't think, maybe a year or 2 before the aftermarket catches up with the new generation...that's where the real money is, selling all those ridiculously over-priced aftermarket add-ons to make a vehicle look cute so they can show it off. I run into people all the time not just with Jeeps but other makes and models that are all accessorized, and ask them where they take their vehicle, their answer oh I just drive it to work....aftermarket loves those people.
I bet a person could make a ton of money running a Jeep used parts lot too with all the damage done while offroading, and while onroading.
The older Wranglers maybe late 90's and older I wouldn't mind but newer ones are way too electronically controlled for my taste, and for the price they want for them where I live they can keep them....tons of other cheaper options out there with the same capability.
That was the first trail I took my stock KL on... it did fine, but the skid plates were used a bit. I really want to try my lifted KL though with my 31"KO2s
Tommy said tire sizes have "inflated" since the nineties. Get it?... Inflated... He he he
We didn't worry about dents and scratch's back in the 80's, badges of honor
Lockers make a huge difference
You lost me at 51k bro
I have a 97 zj with a auto locker and nothing stops it that’s what the Comanche needs
I have the factory limited slip in my 98 ZJ, works just fine for everything I'll ever do, my 96 ZJ with open diffs saw far more offroading excursions than my 98 ZJ ever will and it did great so adding that limited slip in my 98 ZJ I could only imagine the added traction it would give.
"no it's just a wrangler" honestly sounds like something I'd say to my dad. Big fan!
Just welding the rear she's spider gears could make a good difference. Simple, fairly quick, and almost free, minus wire/sticks. That would be my solution :)
Except you'd be crabbing onroad.
Enough already. Time to put Lock-Right/Spartan lockers in the Samurai and Comanche and see off-road performance skyrocket.
All the technology in the newer 4×4 vehicles is nice to a point, but the old school four wheelen required you to be good at the challenges of the off road experience where in the newer vehicles the technology does most the work for you, you don't have to be good at it the vehicle does it for you.
Well there's that. However it does make offloading more accessible. I mean you usually need other gear(come along) and maybe a spotter. Whereas with the Rubicon you can do without that.
And a lot of people would be dumping the stock 33" tires for 35" or more. It's a wealthy man's toy for sure. $51,800 before TT&L. Plus another $2k for the 35's. Plus don't you want a nice front and rear bumper with that? Get a winch too. That's another $4k right there (if not more). So we're approaching $60k. Still, it's fun.
All for a vehicle that won't ever go off the pavement.
I hate the bull bars primarily due to crash worthiness. Tha bull bars bypass crumple zones and increase death risk for both crasher and crashed vehicles.
Ryno5150 I think in Colorado they take them off road often. But I live in a place with very few off road options. So that’s more true here. Gravel roads are hard to find here. Anything that the family sedan can’t do is a 8 hour trip. At least.
Timothy Clark I hit a mule deer with my truck. Straight on at 70 MPH. A better bumper with a pre-runner bar would have protected the radiator better than stock. I got very lucky because the deer was running full speed and therefore pretty low and the stock bumper handled the impact well. But had the deer been higher, she would have been into the plastic grill and cooling system. A pre-runner bar might have helped reduce damage to the cooling system.
@@dahveed284 I have no doubt a bull bar will help you with a deer. However that very bull bar will put people at risk in an accident with another vehicle. I would definitely sue someone if they run into me and if they have a bull bar.
Money...money...money.....that's all that is required here. Enjoy!
We didn't sweat anything. Custom trail body mods are required. As long as the doors open and the windows are intact and no fluids leak, it is all good.
Quick question regarding your ORI scale. You stated that a vehicle at 99+ can tackle the Rubicon trail, and that no factory vehicles so far have achieved that. If I am not mistaken, any Trailrated Jeep has been tested to pass the Rubicon Trail, including vehicles like the Compass and Renegade, which would not score very high on the ORI scale (but for good reasons, no arguements here). What do you guys think in regards to that? I am not trying to be confrontational, just asking as someone who loves your guys videos and have a much better appreciation for cars and offroading because of you guys. :)
My questions to you are. Do you think the Rubicon will still be around in 30 years? With all of the electronics and computors in it, and the way those items are continually being outdated will it still be serviceable or even drivable in 30 years?
I know there is really no way of answering that, but it does make you wonder if older isn't actually better.
Carbs are still around, and will be forever imo. The early efi from the 80s is obsolete. More and more stories about those ecm’s and sensors dying off makes me think they will go to the junkyard. Any old carbed truck/car will get a rebuild or a new Edelbrock/Holley and be ready to roll. As for off-road, Holley now makes off-road carbs too
Knowing the state that Fiat Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram is nowadays I highly doubt it will still be around
They don’t even want to put larger than stock tires on the samurai for quote drivability reasons
There was a good reason the Sammy outsold the wrangler 2 to 1
I personally own a 86 samurai
I think we all saw that coming. How about, to see what difference it makes, for a goof, tie an arm behind the Rubicon's back? Go and swap the tires on the Rubicon for some cheap H/Ts and see how much more difficult that trail becomes?
Next, my favorite truck, the 79 Bronco. giterdone!
Do you still have the Jeep Comanche? It has been a while since there has been any content with it
Thanks for the entertaining video . Really informative.
Lockers weren't inknown of in the 80's The Pinzgauer had them way earlier and i'm sure it wasn't the first vehicle, the G Wagon had lockers from the beginning too.
Guys, love all the videos! Just wish you could tone down all the music. Fun to listen to sounds of the off road and the commentary. Music tends to drown out what is best about what you do! Thanks for being on UA-cam!!
Just put some lockers on both the comanche and the samurai and give it another try.
Or try to do the same with the JL without disconnecting the sway bar or connecting lockers.
Love the new JL but it is a shame that in Europe the Rubicon does not come with the 33" tires or even with the same ground clearance as in the US.
hey guys... how about do some trail with the best off roader you got then stack it up against the polaris you have... maybe the TFL pro vs the Rubicon vs the polaris... and maybe the rebel you built...
Throw some lockers in the MJ, and do a lockout hub conversion on it as well, and you will have far more for a ton cheaper
Love the comanche videos
I realize this is the "cheap Jeep" but, unless you are comparing available options from the factory when new, it's not a fair comparison. Add lockers to the Comanche and sway bar disconnects to make it a more fair comparison.
it is an unfair test. put lockers in the samurai or the comanche and you will have completely different results. this video is like comparing a fiero and a ferrari. they are both mid engine cars but you can’t compare them.
Heck even limited slip in the Comanche and Samurai would make a huge difference in their lack of driving skills.
With my FJ80 I get some serious flex and I don’t have sway bar disconnects, is that bad at all or just a well design vehicle
Its just designed that way, back when they built vehicles to actually work not be some cute little mall crawler toy.
William Todd honestly, that’s one reason why I hate ones like the gladiator or the new land cruisers. While yes they do have offroad merit and are somewhat capable, they’ve just been built for comfort and not for the worst the world has to offer
TFL >>> Good driving Tommy! ;-)
Modern Tech needs a big wallet,, love all the Vids, but I still love my 95 zj!
I'm liking wranglers more and more, I'd love to get one someday. Around here so many people have new ones, all blinged out with shiny stuff... Hopefully they'll be cheap in a few years then maybe I'll pick one up when they're nice and depreciated with 100k+ miles.
volvo09 why don’t you go for something like a tj wrangler? Not overly expensive but still a really good Jeep
I use the ZJ as a Kayak hauler, mostly fishing exc. I'm not an off-roader like we see in the vids. Also, sometimes I need to carry more then what I can in a Wrangler.
Love my ZJ's too...Had a 96 and sold it with 232k of a lot of hard offroad miles on it, and currently have a 98 ZJ with 158k on it with very little offroad use, just not much into the offroading stuff anymore but my 98 ZJ does have the added bonus of a limited slip rear axle that my 96 ZJ didn't have so I can imagine the added help that would have given back in my fun offroading days LOL.
Just don’t get a new Jeep. It will ruin your idea of a Jeep as a reliable and no nonsense vehicle.
Hey I’ve thought of an interesting video idea:
Say you were in an older vehicle like the cheap Jeep. You are going down a steep grade and the brakes aren’t stopping you. Would the handbrake give you more stopping power?
Hey Do old Ford Ranger vs Brand new
CJ7 for the next series of Cheap Jeep!
OK, so take the price of that Rubicon Wrangler, at least $40k and I'm pretty sure I'm low balling, and compare to the Comanche with the cist of air lockers and some disconnects for the from sway bar, and not only will you probably not break $10k but the Comanche would go anywhere that Wrangler would despite the leaf springs. The technology on the Wrangler is not new, it's been around, it just happens to be included, hence the price tag.
Did people back in the 80's manually disconnect their sway bars before going up something like this. Or were there aftermarket eectric sway bar disconnects available?
rjkdev most everything was manual. Manual sway bar disconnects for older jeeps are like $30
What a difference a couple of weeks make. You're in t-shirts and it's not snowing.
When are you doing The Rubicon vs The Land Rover Rescue Rig?
Putting the RUB in RUBICON
Plan: get a rubicon and sell it snd get a comanche with 4 cylinder for good gas, one super lifted for off road, and one with big engine and long bed for hauling
Skip the Rubicon junk and just buy a Comanche with the 4L I6, install lockers and you'll be all set to tackle everything that over-priced Rubicon can and more because your rig cost less than 1/2 what that Rubicon did and you won't be as afraid to actually drive the Comanche offroad as the new owner of a $50k+ toy would be.
And then if you want more rule for your and the rear for Anna you take go to the rear lease rear leaf springs and you see the extra little leaf springs on you take one of those off or you can take two of them off and then make them a little bit more bent and it will give you a little bit more Flex in the back of the rear for that you can actually we're reconstructing what we have but give you more Flex for the Jeep Comanche
2:40 pun intended ?
Side note, did everyone else know when you put in a time on a comment which turned to a link that the video went to that time? I just found out a few days ago.. Wondered why it showed as a link... Maybe I am a slow learner.
Aw4 with arbs front and rear and that mj would not only do it better but also look better while doing it.
I also have disconnectable sway bars on my zj
50k for lockers and sway bar disconnect. Nothing to do with new technology. Lockers are ancient. Would rather have old with Yukon locker, or if strictly offroad, welded rear end
I am probably the odd one out but I will take the new one. Easy quiet highway cruising to the trail, heated seats, AC, good smooth handling ride. When I was younger I would have said take the older one but now I would rather drive in comfort.
????Quiet highway cruising...you've obviously never been in a wrangler on the highway they're anything but quiet, the new ones are far from quiet as well but have a stereo in them that you can turn up loud enough to drown out the noise somewhat. They're not comfortable either, its like driving a square box on wheels, they have such a short wheelbase (yes even the 4 Door Wranglers) that you feel every little pebble in the road.
@@wildbill23c you obviously have never had a YJ with TSLs and a worn out soft top with soft doors and the 4 banger raging at 4K... JKU is a first class flight compared to that. Guess its all about perspective.
@@twg2118 The JKU isn't quiet at all, rode in one last week. Only benefit is it has a top unlike the CJ2A I've got.
@@wildbill23c cool
Do another TJ with an 4.0 inline 6 instead of the 2.5 inline 4 you guys did earlier
Hi guys, can you please comment about UA-cam advertising? Do you get paid less if we click "skip"? If so, I'll watch the full ad if that helps you out more.
People didn't sweat more because Jeeps were not as expensive in the 80's
why did this series just stop. did they sell the jeep or still have it. i know the first cheap jeep was occasioned off
Why is your logo on a new gmc denali drive camouflage? I didn’t understand it. I saw it online in a spy shot
Your_main _man_matt We put a watermark on spy shots on the computer so people don’t steal them.
Great video!
Maybe try doing it with both Jeep pick up trucks and see how they do
Sniper22out :3 definitely, they should get the new JT out there
Pretty sure first to comment on this, just add some lockers to the Comanche. Nothing a wrench won't solve on that "articulation problem" up front either.
Still not convinced $51k is or ever will be justifiable for these things; not even close.
Cringe factor for new is the real issue. Even IF that Rubi was as narrow as the old Willy's you would be cringing about brush and what have you. Once the cringe phase is over with tho, that Rubi is going to be the best thing you can get for trail crawling.(next to a TRD of course ;) ) Nice you utilized your pitch and roll gauges as you were putting along. When you are discussing how steep or articulate things get and say.. "don't know if you can tell on camera how steep this really is" it sort of seems pointless to even mention it at times. So this will give you something you can illustrate.
I just use the water bottle for visual Q and my phones level app. for precise degree determination. :) You should now bring your LRD up that same trail since it is between old and new and has been modified to compete with straight out of the factory performers like the Rubi.
Show some love to the samurai like you did the comanche.. I wish you threw in the stock samurai on this video for the hell of it..
Unless you did and I just started the video without watching it all.
They didn't do that shit in the 80's for a reason they just gave it!!
As much As i love the wrangler id still have tbe old biest im one of them people that like old 4x4s and old 4x4 tech much more fun and less to go wrong obviously need lockers Tho either wAy saying that i dont even have a locker no more iv got a lsd that works amazing
pretty sure you could put an arb air locker on the comanche for under $1k
Not too sure about that, you are talking $1000+ for the locker alone then add the cost of a compressor, and you are $1500+ easily I'd think for ARB but they're awesome lockers and give you the bonus of onboard air too which is the direction I'd go.
You could put front and rear lunchbox lockers in for less than $700.
@@Lray4x4 Are they pretty decent lockers? I've used ARB's before but never lunchbox type. I've also used Detroit lockers.
@@wildbill23c They work the same way a Detroit locker does only they go into you open carrier. I have Spartan lunchbox lockers in the front and rear of my Cherokee on 35s and they work great.
I have a 2015 silverado... “technology “ got me stuck, I was attempting to blast across a deep snow drift and I forgot to shut off the traction control,, in my opinion traction control doesn’t belong on a 4x4! Back to the rubicon, it’s an incredible vehicle, but the price is outrageous! Who takes a loaded $70,000. vehicle Off road?
Sadly they are overpriced due to supply and demand from primary yuppies who are more concerned with driving them as a status symbol.
As a guy who drives a power wagon, don’t tell me the 4 door wrangler is too big lol
When are you guy's modifying the samurai.
Just trying to give you a little bit of tips on Jeep Comanches
The biggest advancement in off-roading for Jeep is not using Peugeot gearboxes in their rigs.
Put the Comanche up against the Gladiator, it’d be a closer comparison
Do an IFS 4x4 step away the Chrysler shadow. Bronco2, Blazer, Explorer or the like. Everybody knows what’s happening with Jeep.
Hey tomorrow when I get some pictures of my dad's front suspension and I will give you a couple of pictures of the prince suspension that you can use and that it's only $800 for this front suspension you can run 35s on your on the Jeep Comanche you have the suspension and it's made for rock crawling where it where will like two fingers you can push down and able to go straight down that's how good it is it's made for rock crawling when it is brand new because this it's a King's Rock yeah Kings rock crawling suspension it's only $800 and it's like a 6x6 to 7 lift kit inch lift kit it's pretty good and it's only for the front
Wallet Warrior Rubicon Yuppies vs. Put less than $5k in the MJ and it will eat the Rubicon for lunch.
I still love the Comanche
Good job Tommy, you blow past your father in this game!
What happens if you don't reconnect the sway bar and then drive on a highway?
It’s a bit wobbly
Put a front locker in the Comanche...it will be night and day difference
How about take your trd pro land cruiser and wrangler there
Hey guys. Maybe try doing a vid on something OTHER than a damn Rubicon. I think you're beating a dead horse......
They purchased the Rubicon. So they are going to milk it for all its worth.
They are going to milk Fiat Chrysler vehicles for as long as they are around