We did it to ourselves. This was to be the beginning of a new trilogy but since people hated it, the franchise got rebooted TWICE. Now it's a masterpiece compared to the newer ones. If we had only known.
Well I personally didn't like the happy end thing and entire movie was kinda boring. It would be a lot better if Skynet would kill everyone and there were no happy end. Also there is nothing really interesting i can remember so far. Its a mediocre action movie.
@@digitalworld3073 im not sadistic. Just i enjoy story that i can believe, not the fairytail where MC always wins because he is MC. Based on story, humanity lost, so please don't act like pussy and show us the sad truth, not the fairytail that cant stand any logic
For me, I ignore these shitty movies. I pretend they don't exists. So my story line for Terminator is like this: Termin 1, Termin 2, Termin 4.... the end.
I love how incredible the sound design is in this movie. When Marcus is speaking, you can hear the gears and machinery moving like it's a pair of lungs. They really did care about how the Terminators should sound like and it's great.
That line. "You tried killing my mother,Sarah Connor. You killed my father,Kyle Reese. You will not kill me." I love it. Sends chills every time I hear it.
This came out the same year as The Dark Knight, so I think he must have just kept the same voice as John Connor. I know the one in TDK was more gravelly, but still there's definitely similarities.
Great clip. The cyborg that thought it was completely human. The scene you describe also is very moving. The Genysis movie builds on that and provides an interesting set of possibilities. Why does Skynet keep adding more human traits to itself in each time loop? Why did the nanite version Skynet need to infect Genysis so badly? Could Genysis have been a threat to Skynet?
Really? It was the only part of the whole scene that felt off to me. Imagine if somebody opened you up and showed you that you were a machine. Would you just cry out "Noooooo!" or would there be confusion, anger, and denial? I feel like if it was me hanging there I'd have been like, "what kind of sorcery is this?"
@@connman8d617 "Would you just cry out "Noooooo!" or would there be confusion, anger, and denial?" That's exactly what he was yelling when he screamed no.
@@connman8d617 Yeah. I'd imagine a few more questions. Each one more desperate as John Connor projects Skynet's motives on things he thought was his own will. Maybe spread across multiple interrogations and treated like crap. And then with his world view sufficiently torn down, then he goes "Noooooo!"
Never understood why people hated this movie, the story of marcus is so damn sad, and fits the story line. It even shows where terminator kills john and in t3 the terminator explains he kills john.
@@eyadabdelfatah3506 first they push John aside, then they turn him into the villain and finally they kill him off. its like a natural progression for killing a franchise.
@@eyadabdelfatah3506 Sometimes the main character and the protagonist are not always the same . Marcus is the MC and John are still the Protagonist of the show. The protagonist drives the plot forward while the main character is impacted by the plot .
@@eyadabdelfatah3506 It's a difficult writing issue when there are two main protagonists. That said, Marcus helps introduce the audience to the shattered world after Skynet nukes humanity, while Connor becomes the face of that resistance. For me, Marcus' humanity is what gives the story its grounding, just as Connor comes across as fatalistic and machine-like as he tries to win an impossible war.
@@blazarre7251 It did get low reviews unfortunately. I loved this scene when I watched it on TV back then. I loved the complex position that Marcus was forced into as a terminator that thinks it's a human. I loved the kick ass motorcycle chase on the bridge leading up to a freaking machine hovercraft and an dogfight between it and 2 A-10s.
@x12 417 Sooo you wanted salvation to change the 1 thing that made it stand out, which being set in the future.... soo you can have it set in the past with time travel...? Ok.
i disagree l think the story and ideas were the engaging factor of this film and the colour grading let it down... ln Hindsight it does look visually distinct from the other films in the franchise and the monochromatic colour scheme fits this sequence well, but The washed out tones of the rest of the films make the it look too similar from scene to scene. Nor provide anything too engaging to look at.
The sound of Kyle talking and the electric Diaphragm is just icing on the cake, like he's straining to Show his humanity while the machine is right there reminding John that he's still a machine.
@@SpielSatzFail Because emotions are seen as “irrational”, the opposite of the cold, brutal logic and precision machines follow. While yes a machine can mimic emotions to an extent, often times writers don’t utilize this and instead take the latter as part of a narrative device.
@@barrybabbot7481 still thats psychological and calculate its not raw emotion. Not a real outburst. Its akin to a psychologist inducing psychosis in a patient.
Salvation is a sequel which actually stand apart from the whole Terminator series. Just like Tokyo Drift from Fast and Furious series. I believe these movies were meant to be stand alone rather than part of series.
Salvation is actually a sequel to Rise of the Machines. If you read the book version of RotM, it describes the nuclear war shown at the end of the movie as limited, so limited US armed forces still exist after the nuclear exchange. This is how the resistance is flying A-10s around, and how they still have so much equipment. The many universe theory of time invalidates the entire premise of the Terminator franchise, any Terminator sent back in time will just fork off yet another time line branch, and affect nothing in the history of the time line the terminator leaves from.
@@muskaos Actually time travel in the terminator series gets even more complex if you think about it. They would end up falling into time paradoxes all the time. Skynet was created using the technology it sent to the past, to kill John Connor. The moment the terminator succeeds, the history that skynet lived since it was activated no longer exists. Which means future skynet will not need to send a terminator to kill John Connor and by doing so, skynet is not created.
"You killed my father Kyle Reese" "If I had wanted to killed him, I would have done it in LA: This guy doesn't even questions the fact that John Conners father is much younger than him
@@CRF250R1521 Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's easy or done on a whim. In all the movies, it's shown to be an incredibly difficult thing to do and was essentially a "last hope" kind of thing for both the humans and machines to resort to. Granted, I haven't seen the latest two movies, so I might be wrong on that tip. :P
@@Mine-rq2ho No we don't. We want terminators playing with children and terminators making farty jokes. That will make everyone forget about all the previous terminators !!! I don't see the fun in movies if they are so violent.
Carlin Jahns Yeah, and Dark Fate claims to be so original and depth inspiring and yet, they stole many great aspects of other Terminator films. Fuck Dark Fate.
What if you find out you were a cyborg. It's unbelievable but there it is, your arm and hand is a damn robot. You peel your face and see the metal. You scream and break things in unbelief. You cry hysterically. But then you cling to the fact that you are still half human. Your heart is beating. You convince yourself that you're still human despite the machine part. You pull yourself together and accept it. You are determined to be human and be what you want to be.
@@BethJehovah You'd also be confused as hell. Your mind thinks you're flesh and blood because you died a human but now, your eyes show you otherwise. It's Kafka's Metamorphosis played as sci-fi body horror.
3:36 epic staredown. Everyone who is watching feels bad for marcus and sees johns arrogance here but john had that right. YOU WILL NOT KILL ME.. Christian Bale did an awesome job.
I always felt bad for Marcus, such a heartbreaking moment when he realizes what he actually is. I have not seen the newest Terminator movies but this was so wonderfully done and it fit well with first three Terminator Movies.
@@phillipfry9765 Judgement day can't be prevented, only postponed. The T2 ending with old Sarah sitting on the park's bench an doing laces was cut T3 fits T2 story.
People can give Sam Worthington shit for the Avatar films, but his acting in this scene alone is incredible. His reaction of sheer terror and confusion of discovering that he has been mutilated, mutated, and recreated is truly horrifying. That’s the exact reaction I’d expect of anyone.
@SorcererOne noine-deen when he's saying nineteen. Also his "about". It sounds like a flattened Australian accent with American r's but he still leaves out those r's sometimes. It's a mess, he really needed a dialog coach. Compare it to Bale's consistent accent.
This scene and the scene where he hears Rooster playing on the radio in the Jeep. Just brutal for Marcus to keep experiencing all that pain. But he keeps pushing through to help the humans after all that happens to him. I was always sad they couldn't put John's damaged heart in him due to his healing capability, instead of him just dying for one last sacrifice to keep his humanity and save humanity.
Dark Fate was literally a poor remake of T2 only replacing John with that girl and even the "new thing" was already used in Salvation(human/machine hybrid). This movie is the TRUE sequel to the original 2 movies. And should have been the ground for the rest of the franchise.
They showed us a what if john connor was succesfully killed scenario, which was good imo. But the crap that came after it ruined it. Felt like a forced down our throats feministic agenda tbh, which is a common trend to do in movies lately. Kill the old story start a new one with a female lead character. I have nothing against a woman as a lead character, but the way they just ruin the story because of it is not the right way of doing it. And there are several other movies which went on the same path. (Star wars for example)
Actually, if you look at it properly you can see a part of the floor sticking out enough. He's obviously standing on that, plus Marcus's angle while hanging l, so it makes sense : /
It blows my mind that from the filming all the way through the entire ADR and postproduction process, somehow no one noticed Sam Worthington slipping deep into his Aussie brogue from 3:24 on in this scene.
@x12 417 I like the way they went, it was what I've been wanting to see, adapted civillians just trying to survive, that's what I got, the terminator war was a bonus, I rlly got the off put psychological tone from Christian bale and i thought he did nicely.
I think it had a great premise and I wanted to see the gritty war years but the plot made no real sense by the end. The time travel at the end should have looped back into the plot of the earlier films.
Never understood all the hate this movie got, I thought it was great!! And when they brought it all full circle with the Arnold terminator at the end was wonderful
I saw this in theaters and I can not believe all the comments saying, "I didn't like it then, oh no, but now..." come on people! Where was your eyeballs?? Still an incredible movie. In just this scene, you can feel how cold and tense the air is from these two super powers meeting for the first time as they are, man and machine. Both have their dilemmas, one is a man, who can't figure out he is a machine, the other Conner, thinks he knows the enemy, and realizes he has no clue. The face off they have here is just phenomenal.
I didn't like it then and still don't now. It wasn't the kind of movie I like, and was too different in the series. Plus the terminator fight at the end was fucking dumb, "oh I'm going to walk slowly and menacingly towards John Conner and throw him down a little bit.... No, I will not just punch him through his face really quick." Fucking stupid. Especially compared to the one crawling towards him WAY faster earlier in the movie that ACTUALLY tried to kill him.
The combat scene at the start of the movie around the satellite dishes was absolutely dope. It's basically the Terminator movie I've been waiting for, and still haven't gotten.
Still doesn't make a ton of sense how he thinks he's human. He takes an insane fall off that bridge, walks away from it & doesn't even question how he's still alive with no broken bones or pain.
@George Thomas I guess I wouldn’t draw the conclusion that I had been turned into a cyborg, but I definitely would be questioning some things. He had taken some bumps to that point, but you aren’t walking away from that fall with some scratches.
@@Сайтамен Well, biologically Marcus is still human, Skynet just swapped out his bone system for a terminator one, he’s still got a heart, stomach, brain, nerves, lungs, and bloodstream. Skynet added armour plating, placed cameras behind his eyes, and chipped him to the central network. So yeah, he would still get hungry. He even says he’s hungry before he steps on the landmine. And no, he wouldn’t be able to sense his body is metal. If you ask someone whose had a hip replacement if they can sense it’s metal, they wouldn’t be able to sell based on senses, only the knowledge they know they had a replacement.
I’ve loved this movie since it came out, ( probably has to do with me being a kid when it was released ) love seeing the war and a more realistic take on it and I absolutely love that dark tone that harkens back to the original movies. But would probably be better without the Sam worthington character now that I watch it as an adult.
I just want a James Cameron directed terminator movie, just like this one. To show us exactly why they feared the terminators and all the different models
He approved and actually came up with the idea of killing John Connor in Dark Fate and generally praised both Dark Fate and Genysis so no, he shouldn't do more Terminator movies because he doesn't care anymore.
I personally did enjoy Salvation, the only one where the film took place during the war and Christian Bale did a good job as John Connor. I think the biggest issue most poeple had with it was that there was too much focus on Marcus compared to John. Granted it was still an amazing film.
I think the Terminator franchise would be in good shape now if they'd kept along with this story. It felt fresh and original but also like it cared about the source material. Every movie since has felt like a mad-dash scrambled "hit the reset button, maybe it'll work this time!"
*back then when rise of the machine: Katherine: You are not my type at all John: Hey, you are not exactly my type at all * in Salvation: *Pregnant, always together, support each other DAMN LOVE THIS MOVIE
You know I was expecting this movie in 2009 and liked it a lot. I think it was the first movie were I saw Christian Bale... I still love Salvation. My Terminator timeline is T1, T2, T3 and TS.
I feel a lot of elements in this movie were actually very very very good. It felt very grounded and very serious and I feel that’s what it needed. But I guess the layout of the story the plot and everything it’s just for some reason didn’t fit right.
I still remember the first time I watched this scene. I was so mesmerized by Bryce Dallas Howard. Her face in that scene where John Connor and her looking directly towards the screen looks like it was made up. Like a perfectly made CGI face. Everything about her was so perfect, her eyes, her nose, her mouth, her hair, and even how she angled her body in this scene. I still am mesmerized by her every time I watched this scene.
@@watcher805 1) Don't put words in other people's mouth. You know jack shit about how she would think about it. 2) I know for sure she doesn't call me a creep. You want to know why? She definitely didn't even read my comment let alone know you or me existed. 3) There is nothing creepy about saying someone or something is beautiful. 4) You have no idea what the word obsession even means. Saying a person is beautiful is nowhere near as being obsessed. Not even borderline. You would need to do more then just comment about someone's look to be obsessed kid. Kids these days, are seriously snowkflakes. You can't even look at them a different way. They would have a serious meltdown like snowflakes falling on your warm hands.Pathetic.
Sam Worthington 💙 Movies 1. Jake Sully - Avatar 1, 2 The Way of Water 2009 - 2022 2. Marcus Wright - Terminator 4 Salvation 2009 Games 3. Alex Mason - Call Of Duty Black Ops 1, 2, 4 2010 - 2012 - 2018
They're in the cemetery from the previous film. They are a family, father, mother, and son that in the next film would be sent into the past, generating the revolt of the wife with Connor. She waits for him in her belly. The son saves the father, in the end, with the heart transplant. A perfect film for a perfect continuation that never came.
The way he screamed in absolute terror and despair terrified me when I first saw this movie. At first I thought it was metal solid under armor. Then as I grew up and rewatched the scene, I understand it better. Not gonna lie, I really love this movie, the same with Terminator: Judgement Day. The way the TX(?) terminator just stalked her target frightens me, to the point I kept looking at people with unnecessary amount of awareness. That, and the "Boob Size Increases" scene was funny as hell. "I like your gun~"
@@nagomo8794 dark fate is worse than genesis, I rank them like this: t2>t1>ts>t3>>>>>>>>>>>>>genesis>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dark fate Even the name blows dark fate, what the fuck more like dark fart
gotta remember that Connor is now armed with the knowledge he gleaned in T3, where SkyNet sent an Arnold-class T-800 to draw on his emotional attachment and would surely program a T with human memories and emotions only to flip a kill switch when the time is right
LegionDaGhost I think that the chip in his brain controls him to certain degree, including his behavior/thoughts. Marcus was an infiltration unite, and at that point Skynet figured that the best odds of getting close to John would be by letting Marcus get captured (in believable way, hence artificially induced sleep right after the hit).
![John Connor vs T-800 | Terminator Salvation [Director's Cut]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/S5aj6cV95QM/mqdefault.jpg)
We did it to ourselves. This was to be the beginning of a new trilogy but since people hated it, the franchise got rebooted TWICE. Now it's a masterpiece compared to the newer ones. If we had only known.
its hsit and shit will always be shit even if more shit is made. how can shit become good because then next movie is even more shitter.nice logic
😭😭😭 the hate destroyed a good trilogy 😔
@@regidon793 you like eating poopoo
@@regidon793 this movie was never shit. You people just don't know what you want
@@regidon793 there's this thing called... "retrospect"...
and making comparisons is also a thing.
something you apparently can't.
i actually liked this movie, only movie that showed the actual war
Yea I like it to, showing the future war an getting more depth into it. I always wanted a movie in the franchise doing this.
@Dark Vador close enough there's a ray gun the navy has check it out
Agreed
@Kyubi Ultimethe war had just started
Kyubi Ultime because its 2018. the war we see from scenes like t1 and t2 are in 2029
I always loved how simplistic the mine sticking to his leg was, his reaction, hers, just bewildered
Bryce Dallas Howard is ridiculously gorgeous sheeeesh
This movie was dark and gritty, just not very GOOD.
Anti-terminator mines are a good idea
@@ox_trueprotagonistchrisred9085she's one of the hottest babes in Hollywood.
Could be fragmentation mine
I have no idea why everyone hated this movie. It was great, it still stands up.
Well I personally didn't like the happy end thing and entire movie was kinda boring. It would be a lot better if Skynet would kill everyone and there were no happy end. Also there is nothing really interesting i can remember so far. Its a mediocre action movie.
@@Asura2k you are a fckng sadist
@@digitalworld3073 im not sadistic. Just i enjoy story that i can believe, not the fairytail where MC always wins because he is MC. Based on story, humanity lost, so please don't act like pussy and show us the sad truth, not the fairytail that cant stand any logic
@@Asura2k Happy ending...Marcus dies giving up his heart so John can continue living? They still have the machines and skynet to content with? Ok.
@@Asura2k dude most movies are for escapism. Not realism. If you want realism watch a documentary.
This movie is way better then genesys and the new one.
Funny how feminism destroys movies
For me, I ignore these shitty movies. I pretend they don't exists. So my story line for Terminator is like this: Termin 1, Termin 2, Termin 4.... the end.
Vj. P yeah it was quiet amazing
Vj. P Christian bale sounds just like his character as Batman
Than*
I love how incredible the sound design is in this movie. When Marcus is speaking, you can hear the gears and machinery moving like it's a pair of lungs. They really did care about how the Terminators should sound like and it's great.
Holy shit, until you pointed it out, I’ve never even noticed how his breath and speech sounds like a mixture between machinery and human O.o
Love his deep sexy voice
I was thinking the same when I heard the John Connor boots.
I also love the loud buzzing when he moves, especially when he lifts his head up to face John again after his freak out.
*Terminator Salvation* is an Underrated Gem which is aging like wine 🍷 🔥
Let's not go too far
@@starwarsroo2448 Then Watch Dark Fate and Genisys
@@TheMathieu2011 I'm not watching Dark Fate
Agreed, this movie is a masterpiece compared to the other T2 sequels.
I thought it was a fun movie when it first came out. I think it's good as that. Nothing special but enjoyable.
Now that you look back at it, Salvation isn't all bad. Especially compared to Genesys and Dark Fate
Genesys wasn't 2 bad! Dark fate was utter garbage
El Navas that movie was hot garbage, the ratings speak for themselves
It was never bad!!! It just wasn't as amazing as T1 and 2. It was something new in the right direction
Kevin Rivera yeah this movie deserves some respect and jake is the best in avatar and this movie also
For me salvation is good tho
That line. "You tried killing my mother,Sarah Connor. You killed my father,Kyle Reese. You will not kill me." I love it. Sends chills every time I hear it.
Now Skynet knows that it should visit 80s to try it again.
Rise of the machines and salvation are worthy successors of the original 2
@TbV-st8ef Only SALVATION. Rise of Machine doesn't deserve it.
Favorite line in the movie.
@@clausesanta5042why not? It was the perfect conclusion and segue into t4
You know, Bale's voice here would have been just fine for his role as Batman.
This is most likely the voice he used. The voice you hear in the film was created in post production
This came out the same year as The Dark Knight, so I think he must have just kept the same voice as John Connor. I know the one in TDK was more gravelly, but still there's definitely similarities.
Sounds like Adam Jensen from Deus ex
I really dont like hearing him talk very long
drlee2 Dark Knight came out 08 T4 came out 09
John Conor: Why do u wanna kill me...
Marcus: Hahahahaha! I don’t wanna kill you! You.. complete.. me...
@Gunner Storm bruh... imagine joker as a T-H....
LOL
"Where are they?!!!!"
Both actors, Sam Worthington and Heath Ledger were from Australia.
I see what you done! You sly bugger lol
Why is no one talking about his Cry after he looked at his mangled body? That sends shivers down my spine everytime I watch it
Great clip. The cyborg that thought it was completely human. The scene you describe also is very moving. The Genysis movie builds on that and provides an interesting set of possibilities. Why does Skynet keep adding more human traits to itself in each time loop? Why did the nanite version Skynet need to infect Genysis so badly? Could Genysis have been a threat to Skynet?
Really? It was the only part of the whole scene that felt off to me. Imagine if somebody opened you up and showed you that you were a machine. Would you just cry out "Noooooo!" or would there be confusion, anger, and denial? I feel like if it was me hanging there I'd have been like, "what kind of sorcery is this?"
@@connman8d617 "Would you just cry out "Noooooo!" or would there be confusion, anger, and denial?"
That's exactly what he was yelling when he screamed no.
@@krazus2036 Sorry, it didn't read as an authentic reaction to me. Been around humans 37 years and it felt fake.
@@connman8d617 Yeah. I'd imagine a few more questions. Each one more desperate as John Connor projects Skynet's motives on things he thought was his own will. Maybe spread across multiple interrogations and treated like crap.
And then with his world view sufficiently torn down, then he goes "Noooooo!"
Never understood why people hated this movie, the story of marcus is so damn sad, and fits the story line. It even shows where terminator kills john and in t3 the terminator explains he kills john.
I think it's because Marcus is taking the main role here where it's supposed to be John Connor
@@eyadabdelfatah3506 first they push John aside, then they turn him into the villain and finally they kill him off. its like a natural progression for killing a franchise.
@@eyadabdelfatah3506 Sometimes the main character and the protagonist are not always the same . Marcus is the MC and John are still the Protagonist of the show. The protagonist drives the plot forward while the main character is impacted by the plot .
This movie is amazing on paper, but the execution in most of the scenes came out very cheesey unfortunately
@@eyadabdelfatah3506 It's a difficult writing issue when there are two main protagonists. That said, Marcus helps introduce the audience to the shattered world after Skynet nukes humanity, while Connor becomes the face of that resistance. For me, Marcus' humanity is what gives the story its grounding, just as Connor comes across as fatalistic and machine-like as he tries to win an impossible war.
Salvation is definitely the best Terminator movie after T2 for sure. This should have been made into a trilogy.
It was supposed to be, but we ruined it by hating this movie for trying something new.
@@blazarre7251 It did get low reviews unfortunately. I loved this scene when I watched it on TV back then. I loved the complex position that Marcus was forced into as a terminator that thinks it's a human. I loved the kick ass motorcycle chase on the bridge leading up to a freaking machine hovercraft and an dogfight between it and 2 A-10s.
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@@johnlime1469 oh yeaaah, this movie have a lot of f epic scenes
To be honest, t3 was pretty good in its own right.
"We've been at war since before either of us even existed"
Such a cool line.
Salvation actually had a great storyline.
@x12 417 Sooo you wanted salvation to change the 1 thing that made it stand out, which being set in the future.... soo you can have it set in the past with time travel...? Ok.
No it was dogshit lmao
Great is a strong word...
The character development in this movie was god awful
@@JohnSmith-hd2tl At least it was A LOT better than T3 and the last 2 movies. You can't deny that
Say what you want about plot, but Terminator Salvation had the best visual style of the series. This movie just looks gorgeous.
i disagree l think the story and ideas were the engaging factor of this film and the colour grading let it down... ln Hindsight it does look visually distinct from the other films in the franchise and the monochromatic colour scheme fits this sequence well, but The washed out tones of the rest of the films make the it look too similar from scene to scene. Nor provide anything too engaging to look at.
@@joenathan8594 dunno what you on about i for one loved the color grading
Nah man, T1 had the best visual style. TECHNOIR
The sound of Kyle talking and the electric Diaphragm is just icing on the cake, like he's straining to Show his humanity while the machine is right there reminding John that he's still a machine.
Marcus? Kyle wasn't in this scene.
3:21
That should have been enough to convince Connor, as Marcus openly threatened him out of anger, which only a human can do
I believe that self aware AI can imitate and learn 100% of human behavior. Why do we think that only WE are capable of "true" emotions?
@@SpielSatzFail Because emotions are seen as “irrational”, the opposite of the cold, brutal logic and precision machines follow. While yes a machine can mimic emotions to an extent, often times writers don’t utilize this and instead take the latter as part of a narrative device.
@@SimulDatCor They can imitate and use emotional manipulation. The lore states they have files on human psychology
@@barrybabbot7481 still thats psychological and calculate its not raw emotion. Not a real outburst. Its akin to a psychologist inducing psychosis in a patient.
@@boguslav9502 If I say you're right will you feel better?
Salvation is a sequel which actually stand apart from the whole Terminator series. Just like Tokyo Drift from Fast and Furious series. I believe these movies were meant to be stand alone rather than part of series.
Totally Makes sense, explains time travel, you would have alternate existences.
Salvation is actually a sequel to Rise of the Machines. If you read the book version of RotM, it describes the nuclear war shown at the end of the movie as limited, so limited US armed forces still exist after the nuclear exchange. This is how the resistance is flying A-10s around, and how they still have so much equipment.
The many universe theory of time invalidates the entire premise of the Terminator franchise, any Terminator sent back in time will just fork off yet another time line branch, and affect nothing in the history of the time line the terminator leaves from.
@@muskaos The franchise dont use the mutiverse theory, in canon there is just one timeline that gets altered because they are changing the past.
Actually it was the beginning of a planned sequal trilogy. However the company that released Salvation went bankrupt
@@muskaos Actually time travel in the terminator series gets even more complex if you think about it. They would end up falling into time paradoxes all the time. Skynet was created using the technology it sent to the past, to kill John Connor. The moment the terminator succeeds, the history that skynet lived since it was activated no longer exists. Which means future skynet will not need to send a terminator to kill John Connor and by doing so, skynet is not created.
"You killed my father Kyle Reese"
"If I had wanted to killed him, I would have done it in LA:
This guy doesn't even questions the fact that John Conners father is much younger than him
He didn't have to. If he did, John wouldn't exist, that's all John needed to hear from him.
considering this is an era where time travel is totally possible i think his father being younger than him would be kinda somewhat normal lol
@@CRF250R1521 not to mention he's part machine so it can't get any weirder for him
@@CRF250R1521 Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's easy or done on a whim. In all the movies, it's shown to be an incredibly difficult thing to do and was essentially a "last hope" kind of thing for both the humans and machines to resort to. Granted, I haven't seen the latest two movies, so I might be wrong on that tip. :P
The fans wanted more of this, but with termimators that slaughter people.
No.
@@JohnnyZenith yes actually we did
@@JohnnyZenith
Yes. Fans do want more movies set it the future, with terminators that kill lots of people violently.
@@Mine-rq2ho No we don't. We want terminators playing with children and terminators making farty jokes. That will make everyone forget about all the previous terminators !!!
I don't see the fun in movies if they are so violent.
We want more night war scenes where humans get fucking destroyed with purple lazers.
Marcus is more memorable then grace
Who's Grace?
@@davidhong1934 She's a female cyborg in "Terminator: Dark Fate".
David Hong exactly
Grace?
Carlin Jahns Yeah, and Dark Fate claims to be so original and depth inspiring and yet, they stole many great aspects of other Terminator films. Fuck Dark Fate.
This film has aged incredibly well. Shame they never properly finished the story.
I feel bad for MCG most of all, the director of Salvation.
everything that came after this aged like milk
If you watch the action scenes and edit out all the "story" its OK. Nah the action scenes are dumb too
@@C-F98 rightly so. People weren’t ready for change, and failed to embrace what was otherwise a solid story.
The music when Marcus looks at his bionic body and screams no.
It’s even better in the trailer...
*The day the whole world went away...*
Like dreadfully realizing that your part of the enemy.
100spurs its like me every time i look in the mirror
Jiggajig Jones Then you look at your parents and you know it’s true
Danny Elfman should do that more often
You tryna kill my mother: Martha Wayne
You killed my father: Thomas Wayne
You’ll Not kill me. I’m Batman!
Bruce connor
After retired bruce changed his name to john connor and investigate skynet which later he finds out it was terminator who killed both of his parents
BuLet`s Bulls 😂
FaktaAnakMuda Bruce Connor Wayne
@@Apudurangdinya and he ended up marrying Gwen stacy haha.
When John reveals to Marcus that he’s a machine, broke me.
What if you find out you were a cyborg. It's unbelievable but there it is, your arm and hand is a damn robot. You peel your face and see the metal. You scream and break things in unbelief. You cry hysterically. But then you cling to the fact that you are still half human. Your heart is beating. You convince yourself that you're still human despite the machine part. You pull yourself together and accept it. You are determined to be human and be what you want to be.
@@BethJehovah You'd also be confused as hell. Your mind thinks you're flesh and blood because you died a human but now, your eyes show you otherwise. It's Kafka's Metamorphosis played as sci-fi body horror.
This movie will continue to age like fine wine.
I love Christian Bale. Dude is an amazing actor. I love him as John. He dives into the character he plays.
@@JohnSmith-hd2tl Come on, he's the Batman! I love Christian Bale as John Connor because he's more energetic.
I loved this movie, that's why I'm shocked when I see so many people dislike it.
3:36 epic staredown. Everyone who is watching feels bad for marcus and sees johns arrogance here but john had that right. YOU WILL NOT KILL ME.. Christian Bale did an awesome job.
Bryce-Dallas Howard is so beautiful.
She's got the hips/thighs/ass structure as well as the face, she's my dream Rangah (Aussie slang for redhead)
Sweet baby J. YES! And her sister looks just like her.
Looks like adult sansa
@@Veldtian1 Yep, sensual in all the right spots
She is, but she's particularly attractive in this movie, props to her make up artists
I always felt bad for Marcus, such a heartbreaking moment when he realizes what he actually is. I have not seen the newest Terminator movies but this was so wonderfully done and it fit well with first three Terminator Movies.
Final terminator movie in the trilogy.
Siva Subbu nononono
Judgment Day was prevented. I don’t know what this is. Oh and I cant stand that Bryce actress.
@@phillipfry9765 This is the future before it was erased. I think Bryce is charming. Except when she plays dumb running in heels.
@@phillipfry9765
Judgement day can't be prevented, only postponed.
The T2 ending with old Sarah sitting on the park's bench an doing laces was cut
T3 fits T2 story.
Doran Martell T3? Never heard of her
People can give Sam Worthington shit for the Avatar films, but his acting in this scene alone is incredible.
His reaction of sheer terror and confusion of discovering that he has been mutilated, mutated, and recreated is truly horrifying. That’s the exact reaction I’d expect of anyone.
He is an absolutely terrible actor, nobody casts him now
@@jamescricketson9464 You're wrong, cope.
@SorcererOne You're boiling his acting down to his vocal performance which he likely didn't receive coaching for.
@SorcererOne noine-deen when he's saying nineteen. Also his "about". It sounds like a flattened Australian accent with American r's but he still leaves out those r's sometimes. It's a mess, he really needed a dialog coach. Compare it to Bale's consistent accent.
His acting is fine but his accent keeps slipping through
This scene and the scene where he hears Rooster playing on the radio in the Jeep. Just brutal for Marcus to keep experiencing all that pain. But he keeps pushing through to help the humans after all that happens to him. I was always sad they couldn't put John's damaged heart in him due to his healing capability, instead of him just dying for one last sacrifice to keep his humanity and save humanity.
In the comics Marcus just grows a new heart and is revived after months in his grave, so he does get to play a part again there at least.
Dark Fate was literally a poor remake of T2 only replacing John with that girl and even the "new thing" was already used in Salvation(human/machine hybrid). This movie is the TRUE sequel to the original 2 movies. And should have been the ground for the rest of the franchise.
I agree dark fate was a money grab. Like we wouldn't notice it was a rehash.
the true sequel is TSCC
They showed us a what if john connor was succesfully killed scenario, which was good imo. But the crap that came after it ruined it. Felt like a forced down our throats feministic agenda tbh, which is a common trend to do in movies lately. Kill the old story start a new one with a female lead character. I have nothing against a woman as a lead character, but the way they just ruin the story because of it is not the right way of doing it. And there are several other movies which went on the same path. (Star wars for example)
I do think that it was a nice nod to T3 to have Kate Connor be a redhead still
CaptainRogers welcome to the future of Marvel.
2:06 "i am human"
The expression of confusion and doubt. When John Connor knew Marcus wasn't lying
Nobody :
Conner: Look at that subtle off-white coloring Endoskeleton. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh my God, Skynet even has a watermark...
3:35 Apparently, John is floating in the air when he gets closer to Marcus in the next scene despite part of the floor is missing.
He probably has to lean forward like crazy with his back.
because he`s batman
Actually, if you look at it properly you can see a part of the floor sticking out enough. He's obviously standing on that, plus Marcus's angle while hanging l, so it makes sense
: /
Yes, John Connor learned to fly as the leader of the Resistance.
I liked this movie. A lot more than I expected.
It blows my mind that from the filming all the way through the entire ADR and postproduction process, somehow no one noticed Sam Worthington slipping deep into his Aussie brogue from 3:24 on in this scene.
It was like he didn't care anymore, his character was just going full Aussie from that point.
@@fallinginthed33p Now imagine Marcus but Scottish. That'd be something.
Salvation wasn't bad, dont know why people hated it so much.
Because Sam Worthington acting is terrible. You welcome
@x12 417 I like the way they went, it was what I've been wanting to see, adapted civillians just trying to survive, that's what I got, the terminator war was a bonus, I rlly got the off put psychological tone from Christian bale and i thought he did nicely.
I think it had a great premise and I wanted to see the gritty war years but the plot made no real sense by the end. The time travel at the end should have looped back into the plot of the earlier films.
People always compared with Terminator 1 or 2, those are hard hurdle
Because it's a trend to hate on anything that's not Terminator or Terminator 2.
Bryce Howards looks damn beautiful
That’s because she is
That's Bryce?
I thought she was Jessica Chastain.
This scene was epic. Not only is Marcus in a world different from his own, but he also finds out what’s been done to his body.
1:06 very awkward moment if put without context
good one xD
hahahaha
Romulan Spy Nice...
Going back to check it out yes very awkward an funny her eyes say damn that's a nice package robo me now lol
lol true!!
Marcus : I am human
Connor : I'm batman
Not funny
At all
Jake Skully: let me boot up, I’m big blue thing
& this redhead chick I don't know her name
I'm Gwen
@@007Fusiion Alex : My name... is Viktor Reznov... and I will have my revenge soon...
Never understood all the hate this movie got, I thought it was great!! And when they brought it all full circle with the Arnold terminator at the end was wonderful
This movie was way underrated. Would love to see more of this universe.
Salvation outdoes Genisys and Dark Fate by a land slide, love this movie!
And it is better than T3 too.
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I saw this in theaters and I can not believe all the comments saying, "I didn't like it then, oh no, but now..." come on people! Where was your eyeballs?? Still an incredible movie. In just this scene, you can feel how cold and tense the air is from these two super powers meeting for the first time as they are, man and machine. Both have their dilemmas, one is a man, who can't figure out he is a machine, the other Conner, thinks he knows the enemy, and realizes he has no clue. The face off they have here is just phenomenal.
I loved this movie
I didn't like it then and still don't now. It wasn't the kind of movie I like, and was too different in the series. Plus the terminator fight at the end was fucking dumb, "oh I'm going to walk slowly and menacingly towards John Conner and throw him down a little bit.... No, I will not just punch him through his face really quick." Fucking stupid. Especially compared to the one crawling towards him WAY faster earlier in the movie that ACTUALLY tried to kill him.
Masterpiece, nothing will convince me otherwise.
We really didn’t know what we had with this movie. If we only knew what came after we would’ve appreciated it a lot more
I've had people look at me in shock when I told them I like the movie. I think the Director's Cut is better than the theatrical.
no, this movie is a pile of trash just like the ones after it as well as terminator 3.
that is how it is with us humans,we do not value the things and moments until they are gone by which point it is too late
The combat scene at the start of the movie around the satellite dishes was absolutely dope. It's basically the Terminator movie I've been waiting for, and still haven't gotten.
Bale: You're think you're human?
Terminator: I am human
Bale approaches slowly
Bale: But I'm Batman
That "terminator" is Alex Mason! Protégé of Viktor Reznov!
“Who built you?”
“My name ... is Marcus Wright.”
“You think you’re human?”
“I am human”
(Unchains his head)
“NOOOOOOOOOOOOO”
I loved this movie back in 2009, I was so disappointed when the franchise got rebooted. My second favorite Terminator movie.
Still doesn't make a ton of sense how he thinks he's human. He takes an insane fall off that bridge, walks away from it & doesn't even question how he's still alive with no broken bones or pain.
@George Thomas I guess I wouldn’t draw the conclusion that I had been turned into a cyborg, but I definitely would be questioning some things. He had taken some bumps to that point, but you aren’t walking away from that fall with some scratches.
Also, doesn't he sence metal in his body? And does he feel starving?
@@Сайтамен Well, biologically Marcus is still human, Skynet just swapped out his bone system for a terminator one, he’s still got a heart, stomach, brain, nerves, lungs, and bloodstream. Skynet added armour plating, placed cameras behind his eyes, and chipped him to the central network.
So yeah, he would still get hungry. He even says he’s hungry before he steps on the landmine. And no, he wouldn’t be able to sense his body is metal. If you ask someone whose had a hip replacement if they can sense it’s metal, they wouldn’t be able to sell based on senses, only the knowledge they know they had a replacement.
@@tedioussugar384 They said that only organs he has are heart and brain.
@@Сайтамен Terminators, even T-800’s had organs such as stomachs for the flesh
I’ve loved this movie since it came out, ( probably has to do with me being a kid when it was released ) love seeing the war and a more realistic take on it and I absolutely love that dark tone that harkens back to the original movies.
But would probably be better without the Sam worthington character now that I watch it as an adult.
This was a much better reboot that people hated for no reason.
I love Bryce Dallas Howard. She's so beautiful and cute and relatable.
yes
Definitely agree with that statement
I knew it she's the babe in Jurassic Park.
@George Thomas the worst one
Fucking relatable? What are you Christian Bale?
John: "the numbers, Mason. What do they mean?"
Exactlly
John: “tell me what the numbers mean, then you have my permission to die.”
I always loved Salvation. By that time I remember I was playing Fallout 3, one of my fav videogames, and I found some reminiscences with this movie.
I just want a James Cameron directed terminator movie, just like this one. To show us exactly why they feared the terminators and all the different models
He approved and actually came up with the idea of killing John Connor in Dark Fate and generally praised both Dark Fate and Genysis so no, he shouldn't do more Terminator movies because he doesn't care anymore.
I personally did enjoy Salvation, the only one where the film took place during the war and Christian Bale did a good job as John Connor. I think the biggest issue most poeple had with it was that there was too much focus on Marcus compared to John. Granted it was still an amazing film.
I think the Terminator franchise would be in good shape now if they'd kept along with this story. It felt fresh and original but also like it cared about the source material. Every movie since has felt like a mad-dash scrambled "hit the reset button, maybe it'll work this time!"
3:25 Sam's Australian accent slips out
I know
my name is victor reznov and i will have my revenge
Sorry wrong video bro, this isn't Call of Duty Black Ops.
@@meathead6155 Sam Worthington (who played Marcus in this movie) voiced Alex Mason in Call of Duty: Black Ops
@@meathead6155 dumbass.
Ну чтож привет Виктор Резнов
@@Чершынчовног Пока у матушки России есть враги, я отвечу на ее зов ...
I love the fact that the big twist in this was shown on posters and on the dvd cover where it was clear that Sam worthington was a robot…
I agree this was the best movie out of the entire franchise I always loved the future war that was never really shown in the other films
*back then when rise of the machine:
Katherine: You are not my type at all
John: Hey, you are not exactly my type at all
* in Salvation:
*Pregnant, always together, support each other
DAMN LOVE THIS MOVIE
John was desperate to get laid and Katherine won't see any man beside John on that bunker.
This film was pretty great in my opinion
You know I was expecting this movie in 2009 and liked it a lot. I think it was the first movie were I saw Christian Bale...
I still love Salvation. My Terminator timeline is T1, T2, T3 and TS.
Chirstian Bale being John Conner aside, Sam Worthingham is the best thing this movie had. Wish there was more of him in cinema today.
Christian Bale is such an amazing actor. His face actually does very little, but it conveys so much and it's so genuine
I feel a lot of elements in this movie were actually very very very good. It felt very grounded and very serious and I feel that’s what it needed. But I guess the layout of the story the plot and everything it’s just for some reason didn’t fit right.
Marcus is awesome, I love the idea of a terminator/human hybrid.
I still remember the first time I watched this scene. I was so mesmerized by Bryce Dallas Howard. Her face in that scene where John Connor and her looking directly towards the screen looks like it was made up. Like a perfectly made CGI face. Everything about her was so perfect, her eyes, her nose, her mouth, her hair, and even how she angled her body in this scene. I still am mesmerized by her every time I watched this scene.
She’s gorgeous
Sounds like a borderline obsession. We could say a lot about every actor in this scene. Shed call you a creep.
Right!? She's awesome.
@@watcher805
1) Don't put words in other people's mouth. You know jack shit about how she would think about it.
2) I know for sure she doesn't call me a creep. You want to know why? She definitely didn't even read my comment let alone know you or me existed.
3) There is nothing creepy about saying someone or something is beautiful.
4) You have no idea what the word obsession even means. Saying a person is beautiful is nowhere near as being obsessed. Not even borderline. You would need to do more then just comment about someone's look to be obsessed kid.
Kids these days, are seriously snowkflakes. You can't even look at them a different way. They would have a serious meltdown like snowflakes falling on your warm hands.Pathetic.
@@watcher805 stop right there your horse white knight, you ain't getting pussy with such Simp attitude
They should have continued from this movie
It's the only hope left for this franchise lol.
Not enough people bought tickets and it was a box office flop, they initially planned 3 or 2 more movies like this
@@Davidscomix Terminator Genisys was also supposed to have another 2 more movies to form a trilogy and it never happened
Terminator 1
Terminator 2
Terminator Salvation
Best trilogy
Don't you mean quadrilogy? Terminator Salvation took place after Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
This is one of the best Terminator movie I saw. The plot, Visuals and acting were all good in my opinion.
3:29 you can hear is Aussie accent.
I actually enjoyed this move way more than Genysis and Dark Fate
Had it been released 10 years later, it'll be praised differently
This movie is a masterpiece. It was well done.
I love how Markus isn't phased by the fact that John's "father" is much younger than John lol
No one even considered the option that the name could be just a coincidence.
I hear more Batman than Christian bale himself 😂
Sam Worthington 💙
Movies
1. Jake Sully - Avatar 1, 2 The Way of Water 2009 - 2022
2. Marcus Wright - Terminator 4 Salvation 2009
Games
3. Alex Mason - Call Of Duty Black Ops 1, 2, 4 2010 - 2012 - 2018
They're in the cemetery from the previous film. They are a family, father, mother, and son that in the next film would be sent into the past, generating the revolt of the wife with Connor. She waits for him in her belly. The son saves the father, in the end, with the heart transplant. A perfect film for a perfect continuation that never came.
I just love the fact that he didn't know who John Connor was and didn't care
one of the best...... batman vs terminator.
This movie is sorely underrated
People seem to dislike it, possibly without knowing it’s based on the comic. SPOILER BELOW
If you read, you know Marcus isn’t dead.
McG is very underrated
3:10 Totally a line that Batman would say🤣
The way he screamed in absolute terror and despair terrified me when I first saw this movie.
At first I thought it was metal solid under armor. Then as I grew up and rewatched the scene, I understand it better.
Not gonna lie, I really love this movie, the same with Terminator: Judgement Day. The way the TX(?) terminator just stalked her target frightens me, to the point I kept looking at people with unnecessary amount of awareness.
That, and the "Boob Size Increases" scene was funny as hell.
"I like your gun~"
T1, T2, and TS are the only Terminator films I own in my movie collection.
good taste mate
T3 isn't too bad
@@samsonmcgloughlin this is the worst one after genysis in my opinion
@@nagomo8794 dark fate is worse than genesis, I rank them like this:
t2>t1>ts>t3>>>>>>>>>>>>>genesis>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dark fate
Even the name blows dark fate, what the fuck more like dark fart
@@samsonmcgloughlin I hate dark fate too, don't worry ;)
Batman and Alex Mason.
Lol
"The numbers Connor, what do they mean?!"
For the last time, where is the Skynet station?
@@3bros.925 Sam Worthington was interrogated in 2009 and 2010.
lol
Bryce Dallas Howard was so freaking gorgeous in this movie
gotta remember that Connor is now armed with the knowledge he gleaned in T3, where SkyNet sent an Arnold-class T-800 to draw on his emotional attachment and would surely program a T with human memories and emotions only to flip a kill switch when the time is right
Sooooooooooooo we just gonna gloss over the fact that Barnes knocked out a TERMINATOR with one rifle butt????.....
*Cyborg. Still had a human brain that could get a concussion.
@@darthskarr8975 thought they said he had a chip?
@@nagihangot6133 lol what good would a chip do. A concussion is a bruised brain, a chip wouldn’t help you with that.
LegionDaGhost
I think that the chip in his brain controls him to certain degree, including his behavior/thoughts. Marcus was an infiltration unite, and at that point Skynet figured that the best odds of getting close to John would be by letting Marcus get captured (in believable way, hence artificially induced sleep right after the hit).
@@JustSomeGuyLV Nah lol. Try your own brain bouncing of the sides of your metal skull. That'll knock you the fuck out. His brain is still human.