I wanted a sequel to this film so bad. It was such a nice touch that John knew of certain events because his mother, Sarah, left him tapes revealing the course of the future. Because of this he was seen as a prophet. Knowing the outcome of events allowed John to confidently charge in and inspired all his troops. "We do this right, the war is over." "No it isn't, far from it actually. Plasma weapons and the time machine hasn't been developed yet. We're just getting started."
A lot of people didn't like that Connor wasn't the leader at the start of the Resistance. But I liked that about it. Because I think it makes sense that at the beginning of the war, I would rather follow real military officers than someone who claims he was always meant to be the leader, I bought that there would be some doubters. And what was also good about that, was that he proved that he is truly a worthy leader, when Resistance Command tells the soldiers to attack Skynet and sacrifice the prisoners, Connor tells them not too, they listen to Connor instead of command because he proved to them that what Command is doing is wrong and they believed in him instead. And it's a good thing they did, because Command was killed because of their foolishness and Connor both saved the prisoners and destroyed Skynet Central. But, that's just me.
@@alphasavage8370 John Connor was 13 on Judgment Day, and didn't become the leader of the Resistance until he was 29. So he wasn't the leader for the first half of the war. Terminator: Salvation was following part of that time in the timeline. I didn't have a problem with that, where he's not the leader of the Resistance yet. I had a problem with it because it was a different future war than we were teased with in the first two movies. It was safer to move around in the night in the original depiction, in Salvation it's safer to move around in the day. So it was literally a night and day difference in the depiction and feel of the war.
@@alphasavage8370 If you read my comment you would see that I said that he wasn't the leader of the Resistance, but later proved himself the true leader. Try using your eyes dumbass.
I was just watching Terminator again, and Reese did mention that the HKs use infrared. I guess the HKs would have to have the infrared scanning equipment attached with the spotlights, the two working together to quickly identify targets for Termination.
@@Eluzian86 I always found that odd, night being the safer time to move. They are machines. They would not have any visual impairments in the dark so it would have been better for us to move during daylight. While it offered us no advantage against the machines, we at least have no DISadvantage with them. At night we're at a disadvantage.
Michael Ironside has one of the greatest voices of all time. To sound like that is an absolute gift. It makes EVERYTHING the man says is enigmatic and profound.
When I ever have a problem that I can't fix I regularly think of the way he says "and like all machines it has an OFF switch" I think the film is really mediocre but I remember that, it says something about his charisma. It's a muddled film, a bit too Hollywood and not desperate enough.
I liked that the Russian Commander encouraged the others to give John the codes cause he knows that Connor and his Tech Com Unit have a very good reputation in combating against the Machines.
And ending the war is especially important for him, since he was one of the people who launched retaliatory nuclear strikes against America, not knowing at the time that Skynet had set them off.
This feels like very early on in the war. It's 2018, and the resistance, not yet under Connor, still looks very well-organized, and well-equipped (jets and subs!). By 2029, the world looks much worse and the resistance looks far worse for wear.
Only Terminator movie after T2 that actually made sense, and war really serious, not a parody of it self like the rest of the sequels. And I really like the Bales performance in this one, he captured how John Connor should behave and look like in the future. RiP Terminator franchise
@@ericcalicci8775 Kyle Reese never said to the police that he was John's father. Plus if Skynet had access to the informations of the police, then how couldn't he know how Sarah looked like? It doesn't make sense. Also, if Skynet knew that Kyle was John's father, he would have killed Kyle after capturing him. Yet Skynet didn't kill Kyle.
People just don't know what a good movie is, my friend. I heard all the things people said negatively about Salvation, but i actually seen it as an awesome movie
@Мармеладов ТВ No. It's a good film. Issues I had with this movie were the lack of violent gory terminators and too much focus on Marcus' story. Loved Christian Bale as John and Bryce as his wife. The world was dark which majority of the fans wanted to see. - This is a 'Masterpiece' compared to Genysis and Dark Fate. - I would rather have Terminator Salvation 2 than Genysis or Dark Fate continuity. - Salvation was the LAST terminator movie which made my emotional and I felt invested in the characters.
Underrated? It’s Sucked! And the box office take says all you need to know. It bad writing. So bad it almost killed the series. Since this move Other movies have bombed as well. Connor should have been the leader of the resistance. Kyle Reece should have been a soldier who fights with the leader of the resistance, John Conner until he is given the opportunity to go back in time by his son. That’s the movie we wanted, not this garbage.
I love how Connor didn't ask to know what was found because he's meant to lead the resistance. He wants to know that the soldiers in his command died for something worthy.
@@matheussalazart8152 I thought the generals were British, Chinese and French alongside the US and Russian generals they are the 5 major nuclear powers in the world
I've always wanted to see a film that was post-Judgement Day, and they delivered in my opinion. Too bad we couldn't get the rest of the films, but it would seem that most audience goers want funny Jokes from Arnold and a whole lot of running away.
Agreed, this movie was great. I think people didn't like it because it wasn't the future war we saw in T2. In T2 the war looked more like Skynet was in complete control of the planet. In Salvation it looked more even, battles lines had been drawn and everyone had territory they were in control of.
Its a really dumb movie it seems like it was written by a 14 y.o. I wish Cristian Bale didnt do this movie Im not a huge fan but he just looks frustrated the whole time like "why am I here?"
I give this film a lot of credit for doing something different than the others. There was no time travel in this film and Schwarzenegger was not prominently featured, only as a CGI version of himself for about two minutes.
Truth be told right here in Africa this was a very much loved piece I recall most of terminator fans here were like what in the hell are these maniacs talking about this movie is dope.... Hollywood makes a lot of great movies which are down played by its own people yet they are lovely pieces
It totally makes sense though, Skynet later in the film said that basically the resistance failed because they believed they could talk control at a moment's notice and that their arrogance killed them in the end which for them specifically in the sub it did. Him saying it'll work without testing it proves that. Don't really get where people were confused with that.
Yeah, terminator genesis and dark fate actually make rise of the machines a good terminator movie. Genesis has a lot of bad qualities, but it does scratch the itch for fans of the Kyle Reese sarah connor romance angle. Still not a good movie though.
I think people dump on Salvation more because of the super-serious tone of it, because the other bad sequels are more goofy and comical they get a pass. They all SUCK ASS after T2, but if youre gonna be super serious you gotta deliver some substance which Salvation does NOT.
See John not being in charge of the entire resistance this early into the war makes sense. Not every military leader that survived is going to follow someone who’s never had formal training. Yes Sarah took John to South America to get training but it was mostly from guerrilla groups and mercenaries. So when Skynet took out Resistance Command here, John is by default thrusted into the position. If we had another movie, we would’ve seen the events that led to the future war that Cameron gave us a glimpse into. It’s a shame that only a game like terminator resistance can give us this now.
Alpha Savage8 the ending with him hints that he becomes leader since the entire command got obliterated. I mean who else would’ve taken over? He was already in charge of TechCom. The next film would’ve likely showed off how he manages.
He was the leader, Skynet destroyed the rest of command leaving only him in charge and since the men respected his authority enough to cancel a assault because he told them not to you can say he became the leader before the destruction of Skynets L.A base.
Alpha Savage8 this its the same timeline as t1 and t2 this was supposed to lead into the events of of t1 it was me at to start the full circle with the next two movie that got cancel
Well since the war against Skynet was a guerilla warfare right from the start, it's good that he recieved guerilla training instead of conventional one
@@lamario295 It's interesting because he filmed a scene where he speaks to John Connor right before they make the drop. He basically is kind of star struck at John basically saying "Hey are you THE real John Connor!? Nice to meet you." Something along those lines. I think Crews said he figures they cut it because it didn't really fit the tone of the scene or was distracting. There's a still of them meeting but what sucks is the footage isn't included in the extended version, not even as a deleted scene if I recall correctly so we may never actually see it along with a bunch of other little scenes that you can view snippets of in trailers and stills.
I have to say that in hindsigh Salvation wasnt that bad of a movie, even if it might have been the weakest Terminator movie up until 2009. Still it would have been much better if Salvation got the sequels that they had planned for it, rather than getting the franchise rebooted 2 times over...each with rather poor results... The thing I now really value about Salvation the most is that it atleast moved the franchise towards the future war in post Judgement Day world. So not just the same recycled plot elements from T1 and T2.
It's better than T3. 7 or 7.5 out of 10 for me. It's more in the veins of Blade Runner than Terminator, but I dig it being different. Another problem it has is the film is tonally bland, besides the Marcus storyline where he and Kyle are pretty entertaining.
Well bland is definitely the right word to describe it and thats why I still rate Terminator 3 higher, cause while it had quite poor casting and not that special of a story and some stupid humor, but it was overall more enjoyable movie to watch than Salvation, atleast for me. But like said I can value that different style Terminator Salvation has now, though aside from Christian Bale's John Connor and Michael Ironside as the general, it didnt really have that good of cast either and like said the overall storyline was rather meh as well. But ye personally I rate the first 4 movies something like this Terminator: 8.5/10 Terminator 2: 10/10 Terminator 3: 7.5/10 Terminator Salvation: 7/10
In all movies they were always trying to stop judgement day from happening with that time travel bullshit. This is the movie that it showed John Connor fighting Skynet post judgement day. And it did it well. I don’t understand why it gets so much hate. It tried something different in the terminator franchise and it was actually a decent movie. Plus, it had Christian Bale. 😉
Some of the tactical stuff didn't make sense, along with action set pieces that looked good but also didn't make sense. The movie works as a self-contained whole that moves the Terminator franchise ahead, instead of rebooting a dead horse.
Because it had some stupid shit in it. Terminators throwing Connor around the room instead of just breaking his neck, girl getting all horned up for Marcus after almost getting raped, etc
I think one reason is because it didn't quite FEEL like a Terminator film. Let's be honest. Arnold kind of carries the series. When you leave him out, it's like a movie with Terminators in it, but not "Terminator." But fans always find reasons to hate the sequels regardless. It took me a while to appreciate this one, but finally I did. The movies are decent when you leave expectations out. People set the bar at Terminator 2, and are thus always disappointed. You can't make the same film twice, unless you reboot it, which sucks anyway in my opinion.
The fact that skynet knows where the resistance is, knows where John Conner is, but doesn't send everything it has at John Conner's location immediately, shows that skynet doesn't have the overwhelming force needed to actually complete the task, because for skynet it wouldn't matter if it had even just 10 units left after winning, it could easily rebuild and without humanity to stop it. Skynet can only win at this point if it lures humans into traps and picks off wandering humans one by one.
ben affleck is the worst Batman. Give George Clooney the script and surroundings Ben had and he would be the best Batman. Even Ben admitted that he couldn’t crack it as Batman, his words.
The more time goes by, the more I appreciate this film. Not only for what it is, but for what it tried to do; instead of retreading and rehashing familiar ground like the other sequels did, it tried to take the story in a new direction and do its own thing. They really should have given it a shot and made a trilogy out of this.
The face and reaction that Bale makes at 2:33 is a perfect depiction of the "oh, shit!" moment that John Connor would have upon hearing that Skynet somehow already knows about Kyle Reese and his connection to him.
I remember how much people bitched that Arnold wasn't in this movie. I was so pissed. Because it meant that this movies failure would mean that we could never get another shot at this type of terminator movie again...
This movie is garbage too. In every way. This scene is actually a nice example, they have a presentation for the "magic signal" ready for Connor even though he supposedly snuck aboard. Not to mention the idea of the magical signal being terrible. And they have this magical signal that they haven't even tested yet, but they've already scheduled a full scale offensive using it for some reason. And they scheduled it for 4 days in the future, as if you can prepare an offensive in that time frame. Not to mention the idea of a submarine as the hidey hole for the leaders of the resistance and how stupid that is. Or they way Ironside is obese when he has supposedly been hiding aboard a submarine for something like a decade. Genuinely I could go on listing flaws in this one single scene for another couple of thousand characters. And that's just the one scene. That is why this film is poorly rated, not underrated.
@@jimmydesouza4375 the signal wasn't made for Conner specifically i think. Maybe his unit.. The signal was left to be discovered by humanity and was set to work exactly as designed. It was to be exploited with a real weakness that could be overwritten once the humans believed it worked and could pinpoint locations where the signal was being used. It worked as a program virus within a virus that laid dormant and could be activated to infect the original virus. Once the humans were set to use it and turned it on accross a larger area Skynet knew they were set and activated the virus to render the first virus null and pinpoint all their locations I'm not saying the movie didn't have flaws, but it was far more imaginative than the movies that followed.
@@dominickefrim3088 No. You completely failed to understand, which explains why you liked the film I guess. The leaders of the resistance have a powerpoint presentation specifically set up to show to Connor. And it is set up so that it can be displayed at a moment's notice. Despite the fact that Connor was never supposed to be there in the first place and snuck aboard. Do you understand the problem now?
Great movie, highly underrated. After T2, my personal favorite; original story and excellent casting. As far as I'm concerned, the story should have ended with this installment.
I'm glad, I haven't watched both, last 2 terminator films at all... and I never hated salvation for no valid reason or took a dig at it, I supported it... Cause I was a fan of it... but reality is because of bunch of few movie critics who gave it bad ratings and stars, the percentages of dislikes and haters grew too too much and it always bugged me... and now everyone has started having a change of heart... calling it a "classic", "aged like a wine", "perfect sequel to T2", just because last 2 terminators outing has gone down the valley so far... bunch of hypocrites... for many of you T2 waa the end of the franchise... how would you accept this movie by any means???... you must learn to have patience to get perfect trilogy or a franchise, shouldn't have been hasty to judge it fully...
In a world where the machines have such a straight up superiority in materiel, it would be surprising that they still have above ground airbases with landing apron lights on etc.
Well, it's actually realistic. My country air force used to fly sorties of 1 squadron (4 obsolete subsonic aircrafts), from above ground open airfield against groups of over 100 state of the art supersonic American jets. Guess who won those engagements? Of course it's the American jets. That's why my country call the war a "Resistance", instead of "LMAO EZ". Only the AA artilleries and AA missile batteries were camouflaged and hidden.
@@huynhat50 If you are referring to the Vietnam war? The US wasn't going full out on all industry and civilian targets. I mean, if it was Skynet, it would be full nukes on all known airbases and cities. My point is that Skynet fights total war, beyond anything humans fought before.
This movie having Kate Connor played Bryce Dallas Howard was much better than the person that played Kate in the third Terminator movie. And the relationship between her and Christian Bale as John Connor.
John’s reaction to Kyle Reese is brilliant, his survival just became his top priority Also I love that they keep saying they will end The War but they didn’t know that The War is just beginning, Skynet still hasn’t even developed Plasma Energy Weapons or Time Travel yet, it’s not even until 11 years later in their time that it truly ends, in 2029
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I wanted a sequel to this film so bad. It was such a nice touch that John knew of certain events because his mother, Sarah, left him tapes revealing the course of the future. Because of this he was seen as a prophet. Knowing the outcome of events allowed John to confidently charge in and inspired all his troops.
"We do this right, the war is over."
"No it isn't, far from it actually. Plasma weapons and the time machine hasn't been developed yet. We're just getting started."
Agreed but the filmmakers decided to reboot the whole series starting with Genisys
Exactly, John Connor knowing how the war with Skynet ends is kind of a self fulfilling prophecy
And the resistance still has submarines and jets... By 2029 they're eating rats and fighting with stolen guns from Skynet.
The game terminator resistance is as close we can get to a sequel
Well... Dark Horse did a large comic book arc wrapping up the Salvation storyline.
Little did they know that Skynet tricked them into making 12 more movies.
Stir It Up 🤣🤣🤣
Stir It Up hahahahahha
Judgement day without nukes
You mean Genisys or izzat Legion?
That is the ultimate plan of skynet. Kill the franchise and destroy the resistance along with it...
A lot of people didn't like that Connor wasn't the leader at the start of the Resistance. But I liked that about it. Because I think it makes sense that at the beginning of the war, I would rather follow real military officers than someone who claims he was always meant to be the leader, I bought that there would be some doubters. And what was also good about that, was that he proved that he is truly a worthy leader, when Resistance Command tells the soldiers to attack Skynet and sacrifice the prisoners, Connor tells them not too, they listen to Connor instead of command because he proved to them that what Command is doing is wrong and they believed in him instead. And it's a good thing they did, because Command was killed because of their foolishness and Connor both saved the prisoners and destroyed Skynet Central. But, that's just me.
Hs wasn't the leader in this timeline just a member use your eyes
@@alphasavage8370 John Connor was 13 on Judgment Day, and didn't become the leader of the Resistance until he was 29. So he wasn't the leader for the first half of the war. Terminator: Salvation was following part of that time in the timeline. I didn't have a problem with that, where he's not the leader of the Resistance yet. I had a problem with it because it was a different future war than we were teased with in the first two movies. It was safer to move around in the night in the original depiction, in Salvation it's safer to move around in the day. So it was literally a night and day difference in the depiction and feel of the war.
@@alphasavage8370 If you read my comment you would see that I said that he wasn't the leader of the Resistance, but later proved himself the true leader. Try using your eyes dumbass.
I was just watching Terminator again, and Reese did mention that the HKs use infrared. I guess the HKs would have to have the infrared scanning equipment attached with the spotlights, the two working together to quickly identify targets for Termination.
@@Eluzian86 I always found that odd, night being the safer time to move. They are machines. They would not have any visual impairments in the dark so it would have been better for us to move during daylight. While it offered us no advantage against the machines, we at least have no DISadvantage with them. At night we're at a disadvantage.
Michael Ironside has one of the greatest voices of all time. To sound like that is an absolute gift. It makes EVERYTHING the man says is enigmatic and profound.
No wonder he was chosen to voice Sam Fisher
Michael Ironside (Darksied) and Keith David (Spawn/Mongul Young Justice) - ua-cam.com/video/FHJrouIHZDY/v-deo.html
When I ever have a problem that I can't fix I regularly think of the way he says "and like all machines it has an OFF switch"
I think the film is really mediocre but I remember that, it says something about his charisma.
It's a muddled film, a bit too Hollywood and not desperate enough.
Also GDI's Lieutenant General Jack Granger in Command & Conquer 3
He's really amazing actor, but to be honest, his role in this movie was not quite good. The scene with a gun in submarine was stupid.
Michael Ironside, the commanding general, is like a mix between Sean Connery and Jack Nicholson.
His name is Ashdown.
Sam fisher
Budget jack nicholson
When mum says you have jack nicholson at home
Wow. You described him perfectly. 😄
I liked that the Russian Commander encouraged the others to give John the codes cause he knows that Connor and his Tech Com Unit have a very good reputation in combating against the Machines.
And ending the war is especially important for him, since he was one of the people who launched retaliatory nuclear strikes against America, not knowing at the time that Skynet had set them off.
@@nyarlathotep7321 Murika*
This feels like very early on in the war. It's 2018, and the resistance, not yet under Connor, still looks very well-organized, and well-equipped (jets and subs!). By 2029, the world looks much worse and the resistance looks far worse for wear.
the plasma weapons skynet manufacture and the T800s probably did some terrible things to the resistance
@@gamerFreak0623 True but it's a different timeline after 1, 2 and 3, who knows how far this war went.
@@remeyrune6009 At least to 2031, based on one of the books. Probably to 2035 or so.
Well, after losing the entire command structure, it makes sense that they'd struggle for a while until John became a more seasoned commander.
I mean planes and stuff like that gets pretty beaten up so it's probably not gonna last another 10 years.
Only Terminator movie after T2 that actually made sense, and war really serious, not a parody of it self like the rest of the sequels. And I really like the Bales performance in this one, he captured how John Connor should behave and look like in the future. RiP Terminator franchise
Рамиль Билалов ummm yeah makes perfect sense to kill John to replace him with female John ...how original 🙄.
@@РамильБилалов-м2ч salvation is a sequel to t3, its highly possible skynet watched the videos of Kyle reese in T1.
@@ericcalicci8775
Kyle Reese never said to the police that he was John's father. Plus if Skynet had access to the informations of the police, then how couldn't he know how Sarah looked like? It doesn't make sense.
Also, if Skynet knew that Kyle was John's father, he would have killed Kyle after capturing him. Yet Skynet didn't kill Kyle.
@@РамильБилалов-м2ч I think A Voice meant that John Connor was a better character than Daniella « Dani » Ramos.
@@leonardeuler9592 in T2 Sarah said Kyle was the father. She even told silberman, but he didn't believe her.
EXTREMELY Underrated movie! I mean, come on! This was the beginning of the "Future War" for Chrissakes!
People just don't know what a good movie is, my friend. I heard all the things people said negatively about Salvation, but i actually seen it as an awesome movie
@Мармеладов ТВ Salvation is a good movie. Best terminator movie after Terminator 2.
@Мармеладов ТВ No. It's a good film. Issues I had with this movie were the lack of violent gory terminators and too much focus on Marcus' story. Loved Christian Bale as John and Bryce as his wife. The world was dark which majority of the fans wanted to see.
- This is a 'Masterpiece' compared to Genysis and Dark Fate.
- I would rather have Terminator Salvation 2 than Genysis or Dark Fate continuity.
- Salvation was the LAST terminator movie which made my emotional and I felt invested in the characters.
Underrated? It’s Sucked! And the box office take says all you need to know. It bad writing. So bad it almost killed the series. Since this move Other movies have bombed as well. Connor should have been the leader of the resistance. Kyle Reece should have been a soldier who fights with the leader of the resistance, John Conner until he is given the opportunity to go back in time by his son. That’s the movie we wanted, not this garbage.
Yea, I liked the story of marcus, and everything
I actually like salvation. It’s undoubtably the 3rd best film in the series behind the Terminator and T2.
Absolutely.
*T2 and terminator lol, lets be real here
@@TarIsCoolyeah.... I hope he didn't mention in that order 🤨
Not a high bar but you're right.
This movie aged like fine wine. It's my favorite after T1 and T2
I love how Connor didn't ask to know what was found because he's meant to lead the resistance. He wants to know that the soldiers in his command died for something worthy.
0:19 GERMANY, US, RUSSIA, JAPAN, NIGERIA
@@matheussalazart8152 The Asian officer looked more Chinese than Japanese. I believe the Chinese still wear khaki.
@@matheussalazart8152 I thought the generals were British, Chinese and French alongside the US and Russian generals they are the 5 major nuclear powers in the world
I've always wanted to see a film that was post-Judgement Day, and they delivered in my opinion. Too bad we couldn't get the rest of the films, but it would seem that most audience goers want funny Jokes from Arnold and a whole lot of running away.
Well said!
I agree with this
They would've been okay but they wanted the real future war. The one we only get a glimpse of.
Agreed, this movie was great. I think people didn't like it because it wasn't the future war we saw in T2. In T2 the war looked more like Skynet was in complete control of the planet. In Salvation it looked more even, battles lines had been drawn and everyone had territory they were in control of.
“Post-T2”? So you mean where Skynet doesn’t take over, everyone lives, and John is a Senator playing with his daughter in a park?
This movie became a classic over time. Quite entertaining if you ask me
Liked it since the very beginning.
You just say that because your name is Chriistiian like Christian Bale. 😜
Its a really dumb movie it seems like it was written by a 14 y.o. I wish Cristian Bale didnt do this movie Im not a huge fan but he just looks frustrated the whole time
like "why am I here?"
This movie aged well if you ask me.
No
@@alphasavage8370 why?
Yes
@@thegoodwin No
@@liquidbraino , yes.
I give this film a lot of credit for doing something different than the others. There was no time travel in this film and Schwarzenegger was not prominently featured, only as a CGI version of himself for about two minutes.
He is the face of the franchise, it is not a terminator movie him or just the face.
he was busy cucking california back then, stop bitching about cgi arnold
Batman took orders from Darkseid. Neat!
U beat me by one second
Darkseid was a GDI General during the Third Tiberium War.
And Batman is never intimidated by Darkseid
And Sam Fisher
Wow lol never had I thought who the actor for Darkside was until now, just wow. Learned something new today thank to you lol.
Before blowing up the submarine, Skynet must've thought "SEE YOU AT THE PARTY REKTHER!!"
LMAOO!!
COOL PARTY!
"I'm the party pooper"
Truth be told right here in Africa this was a very much loved piece I recall most of terminator fans here were like what in the hell are these maniacs talking about this movie is dope.... Hollywood makes a lot of great movies which are down played by its own people yet they are lovely pieces
0:19 GERMANY, US RUSISA, VIETNAM, NIGERIA
Many people in America are bumb asses who hated this film. I loved it however. I wanted this to have a trilogy.
The Salvation comics takes place in african countries c:
Brasil
The best John Connor so far.
"Does it work? Yes. Have we tested it? No"
Nice one
It totally makes sense though, Skynet later in the film said that basically the resistance failed because they believed they could talk control at a moment's notice and that their arrogance killed them in the end which for them specifically in the sub it did.
Him saying it'll work without testing it proves that.
Don't really get where people were confused with that.
Devops yeah.
I'll take Rise of the Machibes and Salvation over Genisys and Dark Fate anyday.
Heck, even just Salvation over the other 3 together!
The last 15 minutes of Rise were great. It's just that we had to slot through a bad rehash of T2 for most of the first part of the movie.
Yeah, terminator genesis and dark fate actually make rise of the machines a good terminator movie. Genesis has a lot of bad qualities, but it does scratch the itch for fans of the Kyle Reese sarah connor romance angle. Still not a good movie though.
@@fallinginthed33p Not at all, the first part is the TX searching other objectives, and the T850 not protecting John Connor
I think people dump on Salvation more because of the super-serious tone of it, because the other bad sequels are more goofy and comical they get a pass.
They all SUCK ASS after T2, but if youre gonna be super serious you gotta deliver some substance which Salvation does NOT.
TS was actually a better movie than I expected
See John not being in charge of the entire resistance this early into the war makes sense. Not every military leader that survived is going to follow someone who’s never had formal training. Yes Sarah took John to South America to get training but it was mostly from guerrilla groups and mercenaries. So when Skynet took out Resistance Command here, John is by default thrusted into the position. If we had another movie, we would’ve seen the events that led to the future war that Cameron gave us a glimpse into. It’s a shame that only a game like terminator resistance can give us this now.
He was never the leader in this timeline
Alpha Savage8 the ending with him hints that he becomes leader since the entire command got obliterated. I mean who else would’ve taken over? He was already in charge of TechCom. The next film would’ve likely showed off how he manages.
He was the leader, Skynet destroyed the rest of command leaving only him in charge and since the men respected his authority enough to cancel a assault because he told them not to you can say he became the leader before the destruction of Skynets L.A base.
Alpha Savage8 this its the same timeline as t1 and t2 this was supposed to lead into the events of of t1 it was me at to start the full circle with the next two movie that got cancel
Well since the war against Skynet was a guerilla warfare right from the start, it's good that he recieved guerilla training instead of conventional one
Sam Fisher scolds John Conner (Extended scene) | Terminator Cell: Salvation Theory [Director's Cut Deluxe Edition]
Ace Senpai when michael ironside talks all I see is sam fisher XD
I would buy that if it was a real game a stealth Terminator game that has Batman and Sam Fisher imagine it
(Colourised)
He also commanded the 2nd Seaquest
Id play the fuck outta that game
Common’s brother dies with less than 2 seconds of screen time
Played by Terry Crews, they had Terry fuckin Crews and use him in a blink and miss cameo
Nomad Lord It’s Common that needed to have 2 seconds of screen time and Terry the bigger role. Common sucks as an actor.
They both should have died before the movie. Useless characters.
@@lamario295 It's interesting because he filmed a scene where he speaks to John Connor right before they make the drop. He basically is kind of star struck at John basically saying "Hey are you THE real John Connor!? Nice to meet you." Something along those lines. I think Crews said he figures they cut it because it didn't really fit the tone of the scene or was distracting. There's a still of them meeting but what sucks is the footage isn't included in the extended version, not even as a deleted scene if I recall correctly so we may never actually see it along with a bunch of other little scenes that you can view snippets of in trailers and stills.
Of course! 😉
One of the most underrated action movies of all times...
I have to say that in hindsigh Salvation wasnt that bad of a movie, even if it might have been the weakest Terminator movie up until 2009.
Still it would have been much better if Salvation got the sequels that they had planned for it, rather than getting the franchise rebooted 2 times over...each with rather poor results...
The thing I now really value about Salvation the most is that it atleast moved the franchise towards the future war in post Judgement Day world. So not just the same recycled plot elements from T1 and T2.
It's better than T3. 7 or 7.5 out of 10 for me. It's more in the veins of Blade Runner than Terminator, but I dig it being different. Another problem it has is the film is tonally bland, besides the Marcus storyline where he and Kyle are pretty entertaining.
Well bland is definitely the right word to describe it and thats why I still rate Terminator 3 higher, cause while it had quite poor casting and not that special of a story and some stupid humor, but it was overall more enjoyable movie to watch than Salvation, atleast for me.
But like said I can value that different style Terminator Salvation has now, though aside from Christian Bale's John Connor and Michael Ironside as the general, it didnt really have that good of cast either and like said the overall storyline was rather meh as well.
But ye personally I rate the first 4 movies something like this
Terminator: 8.5/10
Terminator 2: 10/10
Terminator 3: 7.5/10
Terminator Salvation: 7/10
@Gordy 101 i disagree, genesis is the worst!
That is something we can both agree on!
@Gordy 101 perhaps you shoud read my comment again....
The comic continuation of Salvation is very good. It's a pity the other two planned movies weren't made.
Those two planned sequels for *"TERMINATOR: Salvation"* deserve to be made into graphic novels.
NO WAY skynet survives with Sam Fischer and John Connor working together.
Except they did not get along, hence why "Sam Fisher" big died.
You mean Sam Fisher and Batman
In all movies they were always trying to stop judgement day from happening with that time travel bullshit. This is the movie that it showed John Connor fighting Skynet post judgement day. And it did it well. I don’t understand why it gets so much hate. It tried something different in the terminator franchise and it was actually a decent movie. Plus, it had Christian Bale. 😉
Some of the tactical stuff didn't make sense, along with action set pieces that looked good but also didn't make sense. The movie works as a self-contained whole that moves the Terminator franchise ahead, instead of rebooting a dead horse.
Because it had some stupid shit in it. Terminators throwing Connor around the room instead of just breaking his neck, girl getting all horned up for Marcus after almost getting raped, etc
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@@kubin224 check out this low iq moviegoer, did baby enjoybWWE terminator throwing john connor around?
I think one reason is because it didn't quite FEEL like a Terminator film. Let's be honest. Arnold kind of carries the series. When you leave him out, it's like a movie with Terminators in it, but not "Terminator." But fans always find reasons to hate the sequels regardless. It took me a while to appreciate this one, but finally I did. The movies are decent when you leave expectations out. People set the bar at Terminator 2, and are thus always disappointed. You can't make the same film twice, unless you reboot it, which sucks anyway in my opinion.
After T1 and T2 this is the best by far movie and it didn't deserve the hate it received
Sam Fisher to Batman: "Are we on the same page"
Batman to Sam Fisher: "I don't kill humans"
Well...but Sam does...
Batman should have reacted to Sam "Don't point that gun towards me"
I actually really like this film’s aesthetic. It reminded me of Fallout 3.
The fact that skynet knows where the resistance is, knows where John Conner is, but doesn't send everything it has at John Conner's location immediately, shows that skynet doesn't have the overwhelming force needed to actually complete the task, because for skynet it wouldn't matter if it had even just 10 units left after winning, it could easily rebuild and without humanity to stop it. Skynet can only win at this point if it lures humans into traps and picks off wandering humans one by one.
Michael Ironside was especially good in this movie
He was great in the V series as well.
Wouldn't expect any less from Lt. Raczak XD
He's great in every movie
This whole set, actors, screens... looks like mission briefing in Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars.
Again, where is GDI logo?
“It’s coming from up ahead, but Lambert, when I think guerrilla, I think Kalashnikov”
"I've had enough AKs fired at me in my time to tell you, that wasn't one."
Sam?
"-Are you going to say the word monkey?
- N-n-no...
-Then this conversation is over"
I just came here to say that george clooney was the worst batman ever
Actually I agree with you.
The truth
ben affleck is the worst Batman.
Give George Clooney the script and surroundings Ben had and he would be the best Batman.
Even Ben admitted that he couldn’t crack it as Batman, his words.
Best to worst
1. Bale
2. Keaton
3. West
Everyone else equally terrible
Ok Boomer👌
The more time goes by, the more I appreciate this film. Not only for what it is, but for what it tried to do; instead of retreading and rehashing familiar ground like the other sequels did, it tried to take the story in a new direction and do its own thing. They really should have given it a shot and made a trilogy out of this.
I prefer Terminator Slavation with the sequel of T2 than Terminator Rise of Machines.
People hated on this movie when it came out, but look at what we have today...
The face and reaction that Bale makes at 2:33 is a perfect depiction of the "oh, shit!" moment that John Connor would have upon hearing that Skynet somehow already knows about Kyle Reese and his connection to him.
What a shame, that Michael Ironside hasn't given his voice to Sam Fisher after the 2010 _Splinter Cell: Conviction_
Same thing they did with Alex Mason in COD Black Ops Cold War
he had throat cancer stop bitching
Actually play the Ghost Recon games
This is why I love the Director's Cut for this movie, it shows more in depth scenes for consequences of your actions.
The most realistic Terminator, save the first, and probably the 3rd best behind 1 and 2.
In my humble opinion, this is the far more superior Terminator movie than Genisys or Dark Fate. It's all downhill after this!
This movie aged really well dude
this my favorite john connor, the best future john if u asking me
Good, but future John from T2 was the best...all 10 seconds of him lol.
@@chriswilson9331 agree. TS' Connor would be second best :D
This movie was a damn gem
3:18 call John Wick. Say Skynet killed his dog! 😏
More like Sam Fisher interrogating John Conner lol
*smashes John's face into a mirror*
It's nice seeing Sam fisher without his gear
God that voice , Sam Fisher voice i miss you man .
Michael Ironside plus all his appendages
The best John Connor:
Edward Furlong
Christian Bale
Michael Edwards
Nick Stahl
Jason Clarke
They all suck , the real John Connor is the adult version from T2 who had no lines.
The best John Connor: Nick Stahl.
Much better than broke fate by comparison 😒
We were this close to see Live Action Batman against Darkseid
I think a lot of what makes this movie work is Christian Bale.
Say what you want about this movie, but I really enjoyed it.. Not the best Terminator Movie, but miles ahead of Woke Fate, and Genisys
And even T3 for me.
Darkseid and Batman each fighting against a robot uprising for their own sake survival
I closed my eyes. I feel chills because hearing his voice Sam Fisher is pointing a gun in my head.
One of the most underrated movies of all time!
I went and saw this movie twice in theaters. Never understood why people didn't like it.
I remember how much people bitched that Arnold wasn't in this movie. I was so pissed. Because it meant that this movies failure would mean that we could never get another shot at this type of terminator movie again...
0:45 Did he just sit in front of the other guy? Turning back point blank infront of everyone? Alright....
As time goes on this movie gets better and better.
Especially when you compare them to the garbage dump firestorms that are the other sequels.
This was a very underrated movie. I really liked it. The movies that followed were garbage but this one i liked.
This movie is garbage too. In every way. This scene is actually a nice example, they have a presentation for the "magic signal" ready for Connor even though he supposedly snuck aboard. Not to mention the idea of the magical signal being terrible. And they have this magical signal that they haven't even tested yet, but they've already scheduled a full scale offensive using it for some reason. And they scheduled it for 4 days in the future, as if you can prepare an offensive in that time frame. Not to mention the idea of a submarine as the hidey hole for the leaders of the resistance and how stupid that is. Or they way Ironside is obese when he has supposedly been hiding aboard a submarine for something like a decade.
Genuinely I could go on listing flaws in this one single scene for another couple of thousand characters. And that's just the one scene. That is why this film is poorly rated, not underrated.
@@jimmydesouza4375 the signal wasn't made for Conner specifically i think. Maybe his unit..
The signal was left to be discovered by humanity and was set to work exactly as designed. It was to be exploited with a real weakness that could be overwritten once the humans believed it worked and could pinpoint locations where the signal was being used.
It worked as a program virus within a virus that laid dormant and could be activated to infect the original virus. Once the humans were set to use it and turned it on accross a larger area Skynet knew they were set and activated the virus to render the first virus null and pinpoint all their locations
I'm not saying the movie didn't have flaws, but it was far more imaginative than the movies that followed.
@@dominickefrim3088 No. You completely failed to understand, which explains why you liked the film I guess.
The leaders of the resistance have a powerpoint presentation specifically set up to show to Connor. And it is set up so that it can be displayed at a moment's notice. Despite the fact that Connor was never supposed to be there in the first place and snuck aboard.
Do you understand the problem now?
@@jimmydesouza4375 so..they can't do powerpoint presentations at a moments notice in the future?
@@dominickefrim3088 You asking that question is sad.
Great movie, highly underrated. After T2, my personal favorite; original story and excellent casting. As far as I'm concerned, the story should have ended with this installment.
I didn't expect to see sam fisher in a terminator movie
Thanks to the successive movies this movie aged well
wow sam fisher in this movie :D
This movie is really good
Holds up in the terminator's franchise and imo is one of the better ones.
This movie was severely underrated.
I'm glad, I haven't watched both, last 2 terminator films at all... and I never hated salvation for no valid reason or took a dig at it, I supported it... Cause I was a fan of it... but reality is because of bunch of few movie critics who gave it bad ratings and stars, the percentages of dislikes and haters grew too too much and it always bugged me... and now everyone has started having a change of heart... calling it a "classic", "aged like a wine", "perfect sequel to T2", just because last 2 terminators outing has gone down the valley so far... bunch of hypocrites... for many of you T2 waa the end of the franchise... how would you accept this movie by any means???... you must learn to have patience to get perfect trilogy or a franchise, shouldn't have been hasty to judge it fully...
In a world where the machines have such a straight up superiority in materiel, it would be surprising that they still have above ground airbases with landing apron lights on etc.
Well, it's actually realistic. My country air force used to fly sorties of 1 squadron (4 obsolete subsonic aircrafts), from above ground open airfield against groups of over 100 state of the art supersonic American jets. Guess who won those engagements? Of course it's the American jets. That's why my country call the war a "Resistance", instead of "LMAO EZ". Only the AA artilleries and AA missile batteries were camouflaged and hidden.
@@huynhat50 If you are referring to the Vietnam war? The US wasn't going full out on all industry and civilian targets. I mean, if it was Skynet, it would be full nukes on all known airbases and cities. My point is that Skynet fights total war, beyond anything humans fought before.
Bad ass cast. Great soundtrack. Underrated!
Common really loves acting beside charracters with John as names
When Sam Fisher threatens you, you obey.
That's one big-ass submarine room... nice that they leave enough space for hearings
Why does this general remind me of C&C tiberium wars??? Hmm....
0:19 GERMANY, US, RUSSIA, VIETNAM, NIGERIA
Funny to see General Granger I believe still fighting for the GDI after his time against Kane.
this part of the terminator franchise has so much potential... we need bale back as john connor
That is Sam fisher right there ladies and gents. This film was great.
Sam Fisher interrogating John Connor
0:19 GERMANY, US, RUSSIA, VIETNAM, NIGERI
This movie had one great thing. Lt Blair. (Moon Bloodgood) 😍😍😍
Bryce Dallas Howard was better for the role of Kate Brewster in this movie than Claire Danes.
I loved this movie.
Jason Clarke is the best John Connor
Said no one ever
This movie having Kate Connor played Bryce Dallas Howard was much better than the person that played Kate in the third Terminator movie. And the relationship between her and Christian Bale as John Connor.
It's an ok movie don't get it why people hate on it so much
Best terminator movie
Facebook and Snapchat shut down today...Skynet Rebooting? 🤯🤪
0:13 ultra Magnus is that you
All I'm hearing is Sam Fisher talking
Very good video u done here
I give a like 👍
So in beginning, we meet Sam Fisher and later, this movie gave their viewers Alex Mason.
The ORIGINAL Alex Mason...
The only Terminator movie where we see a badass adult John Connor, as he should be.
BEST T2 Sequel
Yep!
Its just me or Is a doppleganger at 02:56?... is Quinn Abercromby from Reign of fire? did we have a multiverse of Connors here?
Me hubiera gustado que siguieran con la linea de esta pelicula :( Bale era el perfecto Jonh Connor
Lamentablemente la película no hizo suficiente dinero para justificar las otras 2 secuelas, que se tenían planeadas originalmente.
John’s reaction to Kyle Reese is brilliant, his survival just became his top priority
Also I love that they keep saying they will end The War but they didn’t know that The War is just beginning, Skynet still hasn’t even developed Plasma Energy Weapons or Time Travel yet, it’s not even until 11 years later in their time that it truly ends, in 2029