Old DA Lore: the Maker created the Blight to punish the world. Solas: Oh you were just dealing with a fraction of it's power, and the Elves created it. Tevinter: So we aren't the bad guys for purging the elves? Orlais/Chantry: Or for destroying the Dales. Solas:......
I always wanted this story focus to be just about Solas, trying to break down the vail. You would spend most of the game hunting for leads, for his agents and foiling his plans and then at the end you would find him and confront him. Instead, this is how the game starts and it was all the Elves fault, theyre behind it all, gotta raise the stakes. Instead of delivering on a whole games narrative setup.
Not lore though, that was the official chantry story, which the actual lore did contradict in places. The Chantry added the Maker into the actual story. And the Elven Gods created it, who are also the Tevinter Gods. The Elves were basically always their slaves in the end.
Everyone involved with the original are long gone, most of them jumped ship when the company started to become vary badly mismanaged in the years leading up the EA buyout. David Gaider who wrote most of the original quit the company back in 2016.
If you're looking for DA lore from this game, you might as well throw poop at the wall. Most of original DA team in Bioware left the studio after Inquisition. This pixar team should stick to kid shows.
Elves, both the original cause and eventually part of the solution to all fantasy setting’s problems. Glad people are starting to come around to the Dwarves’ way of thinking.
The delivery in this scene really threw me off. The origin of the darkspawn etc has been this huge mystery since origins with all of these hints and lore trails just for Solas to be like "well now you fucked up my plans, i guess i'll tell you". I had to reload to make sure i had heard what he said right. There is a serious lack of tension building in this game so far, it's like they're just flippantly tying off loose ends
I feel like whoever wrote the story decided to look up what fans were speculating at the last minute and just decided to roll with it. Then, they proceeded to explain things in the cheapest and most generic way possible 😑
It could be argued that the secrecy was intended to protect the modern elves from being blamed for the Blights. But seems that’s the least of their worries now… hmmm
None of this explained about how they separated a titans soul from itself. This caused it to go mad and that's what created the red lyrium and from there the blight.
If i recall correctly the evanuris weren't thrilled and tempted by the blight they feard it ,andruil the goddess of hunt tempered with it and almost died, the evanuris helped her to not get consumed by it ,did they just changed the lore for this game
No. It was always the case since Origins. Bioware left scattered hints throughout the games. Especially in Inquisition. The first most obvious one was Fen'Harel's eyes around the black city in the murals in Skyhold. There were at least 20 more hints including in the chant of light.
I don't think there's ever any suggestion in Origin that the elven gods were the source of the taint. But at that time, the lore seemed to hint that the Archdemons/Tevinter Old Gods were the Forgotten Ones sealed underground while the Creators were sealed in the Veil. Also the writers of Veilguard appear to confuse "Blight" and "Taint". The latter is used in Origins for the corrupting substance of the darkspawn while the former is used only to refer to an event where an Archdemon is awakened and invades the surface.
@@TlevidsWrong. When Tamlen looks into the Eluvian in the Dalish Origin story, he's says he sees a city that is underground( Origins lore claimed Tevinter buried it underground) he says they saw him and then gets pulled in. You later find him corrupted by the taint. That is exactly what Solas' just said the Evanuris did with the Magisters. Not only that but 5 old gods were defeated, 2 remain. Only 2 Elven God's came out of Solas' ritual. Come on. I get the game is shit and Neo Bioware sucks but you're letting that cloud your judgement on all the lore bits in this game.
@@TlevidsBioware changed the term "taint" which was used as the infection of the Blight to just the Blight starting in DA2 I believe. They probably changed it because of Taint's other definition in our real world lol
@andrewvincent7299 I see what you're saying, but I am not convinced. The Dalish Origin lore was left ambiguous, and any connections drawn by later games are more likely later lore additions. As I recall, all that we learn is that there was a (probably) human ruin, with a statue of an elven deity inside it, and an eluvian connecting to a tainted location, which Tamlen apparently reconnected with. That left the writers enough space to develop that lore in what way they saw fit moving forward. And there were 8 Creators and 7 Old Gods/Archdemons in the Origins lore. The 7/7 equivalence was only made with the later Mythal lore in Inquisition (her being killed off in ancient times). It's not impossible that they had all the details spelled out from the get-go, but I don't see anything that definitively proves that in Origins where the deeper lore was left ambiguous (which would help with later writing as ambiguity means there soft retcons can be made without direct contradiction). I still think it's more likely that the Archdemons were Forgotten Ones sealed under the earth in earlier lore, and the Creators perhaps also draconic entities sealed beyond in the sky (beyond the Veil).
Every other sentence you have a guide sub script telling you what you decided to say in case you didn't understand what you were choosing to say.... truly some of the worst writing and hand holding in the history of RPGs
Agreed. That subscript also spoils replayability by spelling out exactly what consequence was the result of what decision, rather than allowing you to figure that out yourself organically in subsequent playthroughs.
I wonder what David Gaider thinks about this load of tripe. For all my antipathy towards him, his codex from DAO was truly the work of art. And now it has come to this...
@@andrewvincent7299 Keep on coping, my man. Surely the new rainbow-haired writers didn't dumb down and retcon everything they didn't like or properly understand about the lore of this universe. There's definitely no evidence of the contrary, that is plain for all to see.
Dude, for all the issues the game has, the wider lore reveals aren't one of them for the most part. Everything was built up to be this since at least 2 and even awakening.
I'm watching this and I keep thinking that the faces are so lifeless and devoid of expression. It's like the animations were done back in 2010 or maybe last year by the same team that did Starfield.
Not entirely, they did find the Blight and study it but one of the side quest involving Solas past shows that they found it somewhere. Ghilan'nain's interests in the blight lead the Elven gods to learn to control it but the origins still remain a mystery. However, the secret ending shows who are suspected to be the true creators of the Blight.
Does this not contradict the lore of the past 3 games? I understand there was some obscure lore possibly connecting Andruil and the Blight, but this is coming across as lazy, bad writing. Like, does EVERYTHING have to be about the Evanuris??? WTF. And this is coming from someone who LOVES elves.
This was always the case. There were so many hints in Inquisition and also some in Origins, particularly about Ghilan'nain. In Origins the Darkspawn worshiped a halla altar and there was a codex entry stating what if the Archdemons were not the old gods. In Inquisition there was the Andruil Codex, Solas' murals in Skyhold, some whispers in red lyrium in the fade, a mural in trespasser about the titans and another about the veil and also abelas' words.
@ I mean I guess, but what about the entire opening scene of Origins which details the Chantry myth of how the blight came to be. And what about the Architect and Corypheus? Are they just going to completely ignore the chantry story??? Idk
@@WilderWraithThe Evanirus/the Old Gods tricked the Magiesters into opening their prison(the golden city) where the Blight got them. The chantry just added the Maker into it.
No it doesn't. This was always hinted at since Origins. The Dalish Origin story gives the most clues. When Tamlen peaks into the Eluvian, he says "I see a city...it's underground....oh no..they saw me!! They're coming!" He gets pulled in only to be found later corrupted by the Blight. So that whole thing hinted at him seeing Arlathan (it was claimed to be buried underground in the lore in Origins) and he says "they" saw him, pulled him in only for him to be corrupted. Who do you think "they" is? This was always meant to be the origin of the Blight. There are seven old gods and seven Elven Gods. 5 old gods were defeated and 2 remain. Only two Elven God's came out of Solas' ritual. It's not lazy writing. It's probably one of the few things consistent in the lore
Costin, you may be a bastard for executing Alistair and other countless ruthless acts… but at the least you were always immersed into the role, nvm have more sense than this lumbering plot! I am saddened you must endure this tripe. Keep that murder knife always honed and at the ready!
@@TheAns51 elves burried the blight they didnt use it, evanuris in da3 started using it at the end they didnt create it it was something unknown dangerous but they wanted power and thought they could handle it even though they had to burry it to survive it in da3 solas was mad the wardens were killing the archdemons why should have been mad if according to this turd of a game they were killing his enemies? no the archdemons were there to seal the blight and the source of the blight bioware ruined everything
@eastbow6053 that's untrue. They did bury it, but because of solas war they became desperate and used it again. Killed mythal, and he sealed them. Which shows he didn't want to kill them. He still cares for their spirits, which is what killing an archdemon does.
Old DA Lore: the Maker created the Blight to punish the world.
Solas: Oh you were just dealing with a fraction of it's power, and the Elves created it.
Tevinter: So we aren't the bad guys for purging the elves?
Orlais/Chantry: Or for destroying the Dales.
Solas:......
I always wanted this story focus to be just about Solas, trying to break down the vail. You would spend most of the game hunting for leads, for his agents and foiling his plans and then at the end you would find him and confront him.
Instead, this is how the game starts and it was all the Elves fault, theyre behind it all, gotta raise the stakes. Instead of delivering on a whole games narrative setup.
It wasn't really lore just dogma from the chantry we never really knew where it came from except it had to do with the golden city
Not lore though, that was the official chantry story, which the actual lore did contradict in places. The Chantry added the Maker into the actual story.
And the Elven Gods created it, who are also the Tevinter Gods. The Elves were basically always their slaves in the end.
Everyone involved with the original are long gone, most of them jumped ship when the company started to become vary badly mismanaged in the years leading up the EA buyout. David Gaider who wrote most of the original quit the company back in 2016.
@@nikushim6665 especially the main writer,mans carried the whole series on his back.
So basically the Black City was never the Maker’s home but rather the Blight’s prison
If you're looking for DA lore from this game, you might as well throw poop at the wall. Most of original DA team in Bioware left the studio after Inquisition. This pixar team should stick to kid shows.
Which confirms what Corypheus said in Inquisition. The Magisters DIDN'T blacken it, they found it that way.
@ Yep, and that the throne of the Gods was empty
Elves, both the original cause and eventually part of the solution to all fantasy setting’s problems.
Glad people are starting to come around to the Dwarves’ way of thinking.
The delivery in this scene really threw me off. The origin of the darkspawn etc has been this huge mystery since origins with all of these hints and lore trails just for Solas to be like "well now you fucked up my plans, i guess i'll tell you". I had to reload to make sure i had heard what he said right. There is a serious lack of tension building in this game so far, it's like they're just flippantly tying off loose ends
I feel like whoever wrote the story decided to look up what fans were speculating at the last minute and just decided to roll with it. Then, they proceeded to explain things in the cheapest and most generic way possible 😑
It could be argued that the secrecy was intended to protect the modern elves from being blamed for the Blights.
But seems that’s the least of their worries now… hmmm
None of this explained about how they separated a titans soul from itself. This caused it to go mad and that's what created the red lyrium and from there the blight.
Lyrium dagger
@jrvazbakerboy ya, i was saying that's something the video should have included
Where did you get this?
@arishokqunari1290 it's all in the lore. Biggest reveals are from dai and now veilguard. in solas memories and harding side quest
If i recall correctly the evanuris weren't thrilled and tempted by the blight they feard it ,andruil the goddess of hunt tempered with it and almost died, the evanuris helped her to not get consumed by it ,did they just changed the lore for this game
No. It was always the case since Origins. Bioware left scattered hints throughout the games. Especially in Inquisition. The first most obvious one was Fen'Harel's eyes around the black city in the murals in Skyhold. There were at least 20 more hints including in the chant of light.
I don't think there's ever any suggestion in Origin that the elven gods were the source of the taint. But at that time, the lore seemed to hint that the Archdemons/Tevinter Old Gods were the Forgotten Ones sealed underground while the Creators were sealed in the Veil. Also the writers of Veilguard appear to confuse "Blight" and "Taint". The latter is used in Origins for the corrupting substance of the darkspawn while the former is used only to refer to an event where an Archdemon is awakened and invades the surface.
@@TlevidsWrong. When Tamlen looks into the Eluvian in the Dalish Origin story, he's says he sees a city that is underground( Origins lore claimed Tevinter buried it underground) he says they saw him and then gets pulled in. You later find him corrupted by the taint. That is exactly what Solas' just said the Evanuris did with the Magisters. Not only that but 5 old gods were defeated, 2 remain. Only 2 Elven God's came out of Solas' ritual. Come on. I get the game is shit and Neo Bioware sucks but you're letting that cloud your judgement on all the lore bits in this game.
@@TlevidsBioware changed the term "taint" which was used as the infection of the Blight to just the Blight starting in DA2 I believe. They probably changed it because of Taint's other definition in our real world lol
@andrewvincent7299 I see what you're saying, but I am not convinced. The Dalish Origin lore was left ambiguous, and any connections drawn by later games are more likely later lore additions. As I recall, all that we learn is that there was a (probably) human ruin, with a statue of an elven deity inside it, and an eluvian connecting to a tainted location, which Tamlen apparently reconnected with. That left the writers enough space to develop that lore in what way they saw fit moving forward. And there were 8 Creators and 7 Old Gods/Archdemons in the Origins lore. The 7/7 equivalence was only made with the later Mythal lore in Inquisition (her being killed off in ancient times). It's not impossible that they had all the details spelled out from the get-go, but I don't see anything that definitively proves that in Origins where the deeper lore was left ambiguous (which would help with later writing as ambiguity means there soft retcons can be made without direct contradiction). I still think it's more likely that the Archdemons were Forgotten Ones sealed under the earth in earlier lore, and the Creators perhaps also draconic entities sealed beyond in the sky (beyond the Veil).
Yea, just going to pretend this game never happened and appreciate the other games for what they are.
@@PallyChan cool bye
Every other sentence you have a guide sub script telling you what you decided to say in case you didn't understand what you were choosing to say.... truly some of the worst writing and hand holding in the history of RPGs
Agreed. That subscript also spoils replayability by spelling out exactly what consequence was the result of what decision, rather than allowing you to figure that out yourself organically in subsequent playthroughs.
I wonder what David Gaider thinks about this load of tripe. For all my antipathy towards him, his codex from DAO was truly the work of art. And now it has come to this...
@@GrimPhantom Yeah, poor guy
This is probably one of the things that remained consistent. This was always the origin of the Blight and was hinted at throughout all three games.
@@andrewvincent7299 Keep on coping, my man. Surely the new rainbow-haired writers didn't dumb down and retcon everything they didn't like or properly understand about the lore of this universe. There's definitely no evidence of the contrary, that is plain for all to see.
@@GrimPhantom This was hinted at since Origins. The Darkspawn worshipped a halla altar, dedicated to Ghilan'nain.
Dude, for all the issues the game has, the wider lore reveals aren't one of them for the most part. Everything was built up to be this since at least 2 and even awakening.
I'm watching this and I keep thinking that the faces are so lifeless and devoid of expression. It's like the animations were done back in 2010 or maybe last year by the same team that did Starfield.
Not entirely, they did find the Blight and study it but one of the side quest involving Solas past shows that they found it somewhere. Ghilan'nain's interests in the blight lead the Elven gods to learn to control it but the origins still remain a mystery. However, the secret ending shows who are suspected to be the true creators of the Blight.
Does this not contradict the lore of the past 3 games? I understand there was some obscure lore possibly connecting Andruil and the Blight, but this is coming across as lazy, bad writing. Like, does EVERYTHING have to be about the Evanuris??? WTF. And this is coming from someone who LOVES elves.
This was always the case. There were so many hints in Inquisition and also some in Origins, particularly about Ghilan'nain.
In Origins the Darkspawn worshiped a halla altar and there was a codex entry stating what if the Archdemons were not the old gods.
In Inquisition there was the Andruil Codex, Solas' murals in Skyhold, some whispers in red lyrium in the fade, a mural in trespasser about the titans and another about the veil and also abelas' words.
@ I mean I guess, but what about the entire opening scene of Origins which details the Chantry myth of how the blight came to be. And what about the Architect and Corypheus? Are they just going to completely ignore the chantry story??? Idk
@@WilderWraithThe Evanirus/the Old Gods tricked the Magiesters into opening their prison(the golden city) where the Blight got them. The chantry just added the Maker into it.
@WilderWraith let me ask you something are myths and religious stories reliable historical documents.
No it doesn't. This was always hinted at since Origins. The Dalish Origin story gives the most clues. When Tamlen peaks into the Eluvian, he says "I see a city...it's underground....oh no..they saw me!! They're coming!" He gets pulled in only to be found later corrupted by the Blight. So that whole thing hinted at him seeing Arlathan (it was claimed to be buried underground in the lore in Origins) and he says "they" saw him, pulled him in only for him to be corrupted. Who do you think "they" is? This was always meant to be the origin of the Blight. There are seven old gods and seven Elven Gods. 5 old gods were defeated and 2 remain. Only two Elven God's came out of Solas' ritual. It's not lazy writing. It's probably one of the few things consistent in the lore
varric "Commander. sorry wrong life time."
So Dragon Age Inquisition was the end of the series. Fine by me. Never gonna pay for this turd
So question is if this is the way the original creators wanted it to be or if they changed it that way?
Costin, you may be a bastard for executing Alistair and other countless ruthless acts… but at the least you were always immersed into the role, nvm have more sense than this lumbering plot! I am saddened you must endure this tripe. Keep that murder knife always honed and at the ready!
Sweet Andraste, no!
Pepsodent-Smile Solas!
Well thanks for the huge spoiler in the title i guess...would have liked to learn that in game but watever...
Ha I knew it was all the knife-ears fault
Do you enjoy the game Costin? Is it a good game? Is it better than DA II?
its awful dont spend your hard earned money
Please just let the videos play i dont want to hear about napoleon
that random rook is so cringe.
wasnt it a horse in the napoleon story?
The dumbest lore change ever
What is? Lore being that since DA:O?
@@TheAns51 elves burried the blight they didnt use it, evanuris in da3 started using it at the end they didnt create it it was something unknown dangerous but they wanted power and thought they could handle it even though they had to burry it to survive it
in da3 solas was mad the wardens were killing the archdemons why should have been mad if according to this turd of a game they were killing his enemies? no the archdemons were there to seal the blight and the source of the blight
bioware ruined everything
@eastbow6053 that's untrue. They did bury it, but because of solas war they became desperate and used it again. Killed mythal, and he sealed them.
Which shows he didn't want to kill them. He still cares for their spirits, which is what killing an archdemon does.
Yep, i definitely won't be buying this game, dragon gods are far more interesting than the elves
Yet they never were dragon gods 🤣 There literally was hints to lore being just this from the beginning of DA:O
@TheAns51 i don't give a fuck if it was hinted at, it's less interesting
@@entertheunknown3554 Well boohoo crybaby🤣
@@TheAns51 Keep shilling for a woke game